Info on banning of trikes needed

[350Xhilaration]

I'm doing a 9 page research paper on the banning of trikes. I could use some links or articles that support and oppose the banning of trikes. If anyone has any good sources, please post the links in this thread. Dan could you possibly make this a sticky at least for a few weeks?
Basically what I wanted to research was what really happened, litigation, injury reports, stats, etc, that led to the banning of them. Not just opinions of folks who want to put theri two cents in. If it's a published document that I can use, great.
Any help is greatly appreciated. I want to show the argument for not banning them as well.

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

trikes were never "banned".....better pic a new topic....or at least know what your writing about.....

[350Xhilaration]

I'm not looking to start a debate thread. But....Trikes were not banned??? Last time I was at any kind of off road sanctioned event they seemed to be banned Literally. "No trikes on the hill" Manufacturers quit making them in 87, dealers couldnt sell them for 10 years, new or used....sounds kinda like being banned.

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

let me see hear....who could explain this better then me..........hmm i think it wa jeb.....ask him.....or maybe tim sr......maybe even Mr atc

[350Xhilaration]

Looks kinda like a ban to me. I think I know what I'm writing about. Go "learn ya sumthin'" open a book once in a while.



Bennett, who has earned a national reputation as a major figure in ATV investigation and litigation, played a key role in investigations into the ATV industry in the 1980s which lead to the CPSC General Counsel's Office pressuring the ATV industry to voluntarily ban three-wheeled vehicles. Bennett hopes that this new data will help the CPSC pressure Yamaha to make their four-wheel vehicles safer for the public, and provide further pressure on the industry to recall all 3-wheeled ATVs still in use.

[Lots_Of_Nothing]

heres a quote from Tim Sr. from one of the other 10,000 post like this.....


Actually they were never banned from production. The US Consumer Products Safety Commission does not have the authority to ban production of anything in another country. They were banned from import into the US. They could have manfactured them all a long if they wished. Now they can make and import them as the ban has expired , and as soon as the first one arrives, the CPSC will call another conference and start the whole thing over again.

[ATC crazy]

They were never "Banned." If they were banned then we wouldnt have them around to ride.

[350Xhilaration]

They were banned from import into the US. They could have manfactured them all a long if they wished. Now they can make and import them as the ban has expired

What part of banned don't you get?? You refute the fact they were banned by posting a quote where someone says they were banned. I never said they banned production of them did I??? I said they were banned. They were. Plain and simple. If you can help my cause, great. I appreciate it. If not, read the thread and pass it by.

I never said they were confiscated either. Just banned. Banned from hillclimbs and other events in this area. Banned from dealers to sell them for 10 years. Damn, I wish I could just get some decent info from you trike people. Being that you are all "authorities" and what not. Lots of opinions and no facts. I don't have the facts either ...that's why I want to research it. So I can back up my claims with facts not personal feelings

[Howdy]

I might add a little info here. New 3 wheelers were only banned from being sold in the USA for 10 years. The manufactures did this under pressure from many groups of people that don't know their arse from a whole in the ground.

A lot of dealers wouldn't sell used trikes because of them being afraid of being sued, not to mention the pressure put on them by the insurance companies. Most of the insurance companies would drop a dealers coverage or raise the rates so high they couldn't afford to keep it if they sold 3 wheelers at all. Do to the cost and availability most dealers quit selling any 3 wheelers. The reason insurance companies didn't want to cover 3 wheelers is the fact they were having to pay so many lawsuits.
I got this from a dealer that went out of buisness. He lost his buisness after he wouldn't stop selling 3 wheelers. His insurance company dropped him. He looked for another and only found one that wanted 4 times as much as the original one. He had no choice and took it. How ever he got sued 1 time his new insurance company drop him and that was enough to put him out of buisness.

Now for riding spots banning 3 wheelers. Insurance is the reason. Most insurance carriers will not cover 3 wheeler accidents. It's a crock in my book but that is just the way it is.

I hope this helps.
Howdy

[350Xhilaration]

Thanks for the info Howdy, however, I already knew that kind of stuff. I am looking for the lawsuits filed, press relaeses from manufacturers, paperwork type of stuff. I know the history of what happened, I just need citable sources for a research paper. Hard documentation. I'm not saying that anyone here should have it, just that odds are that people here or at .org would be my best bet for this type of info. You get what I am looking for?

[Billy Golightly]

I've been hoarding this information for myself for a long time now, because I've been writing my own thing I was going to present on the site...but I'll let you in on it first as long as you post your report here first when your done ;)

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml88/88110.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml85/85015.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml88/88016.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml87/87007.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml86/86015.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml85/85049.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml85/85036.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml90/90121.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml85/85047.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml85/85073.html
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml91/91068.html


Now please, since I was good enough to provide you with the plethora of information... when you complete report if you would let us host it on the site I would really appreciate it. I would of course give you credit for writing it and stuff. I'll finish mine up someday. Its around 8 pages or something like it now. I haven't worked on it in ages.

[350Xhilaration]

I am under a deadline requirement, so when it is finished, it will get posted or at least linked to the .doc on my server.


Check this pdf out, http://www.bennettlawfirm.com/atvoverview.pdf

it definately makes a one sided argument. I will try to voice an opinion of a trike enthusiast, I wish there were some good resources from that standpoint to back the opinion up...know of any??



Thanks a bunch for the info. It will get used.

[Billy Golightly]

Iv'e never seen that before...I could spend all night disagreeing with it, but its pretty pointless. Things I'll point out is the terminolgy the pdf uses when it says "ATC's lacked propper suspension"-What are they calling propper? Automotive style solid axle with dual rear shocks? What IS propper suspension, in the 80's when this was all very new technology, who was to argue or debate whether something was propper or not. Alot of the high performance trikes had suspension of very close if not longer travel then their dirtbike counter parts. And even today, the 85-86 ATC250R has more suspension travel then the new TRX450R. The rear suspension Pro-link setup has been virtually unchanged since its conception in 1985 on the ATC250R. The TRX250R uses it, the 400ex uses it, the TRX450R uses it, the YFZ450 uses it, almost all of the aftermarket swingarms use it...must not be to much wrong with it.

In the last page where it shows the law suits, take note of how many it says alcohol had involvement, the rider was wearing no helmet, and often they were carrying a passenger. Do a quick percentage out of just that and determine that (According to that) the average ATV accident actually had faults caused by carelessness, ect ect.

Maybe Dan from .org can help you with how some of Bennet's legal jargon might be flawed, I'm sure theres some flaws somewheres, but thats not really my department.

[350Xhilaration]

The point of my paper will be that the machines can be operated safely with the right riding technique, traing,education and supervision. I want the documentation to show the legal side of what actually happened.

I have a thread on .org asking for the same thing.

[mudduck14843]

back isues of dirt wheels mag and maybe some of the trike mags if you can find them...i can't rember where it was but there is a whole site touching on the trikes "ban from us import"(did i get it right i don't want any1 biting my head off cause i said it wrong)...lol i will see if i can find the site again.

[3WheelsForever]

I think I know what site your talking about mudduck. Im perty sure its www.3wheelerrevival.com. It was a good discussion that Jayde Bull wrote up. I just checked and I cant get into the site anymore. If you find some one that has his email give him a shout. I think there was a large amount of information on that page. Good luck 350xhilaration.