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Dirtcrasher
10-16-2010, 07:03 PM
This has been a long time coming.

Anyhow, I'm gonna talk about what it took, what sizes are what and continue to update it until I have a fully functioning suspension. I got the 250R front end rebuilt for the build using the 350X stem, but we'll save that for later in the build thread.

I don't have allot of money, but I do have parts and time :D

Although I would have got this done sooner or later, I asked Jason Hall enough questions to get in his mind and I thank him for the help. But, there are still questions for many of us, so feel free to comment or ask "why?"

Anyhow, I used an 06 TRX450 swinger which is supposedly about 3/4"s longer than 05 or earlier.

I'll use the inch system to make life easy on everyone. So, it comes stock at about 9 and 1/4"s with the dust caps and thrust washers. About 9 and 1/8th without the dust caps and just under 9"s wide with it bare.

The 350X opening varied from a few frames I had but all about 8 and 9/16ths. So even with the swinger completely bare, you are still about 7/16ths too wide on the swinger with no outside seal, dust cap, thrust washer - nothing! How the average guy can fit it on there is beyond me. You MUST use machinery.

Anyhow, I wanted the stock collars/thrust pieces, I believe they help play a role in supporting the long spacer that only rides on one needle bearing. Then I wanted a 1/16th S.S. shim next to it and that would equal the frame opening.

BUT, here is my question, 200Xand 350X swingarms have a full width spacer, it is just a bit longer than the width of the assembly so it can allow the swinger to pivot. The 450R has 2 separate spacers that ride on the needle bearing and outer thrust collar; So whats to stop the thing from binding up? Do people leave the bolt a little loose? On a 250R, we have thrust washers that allow you to tighten your swingarm bolt so I thought about what I'd do here to allow me to lock down my bolt and allow the swinger to pivot without much side to side play (that took a bunch of math :lol:)

I'll make a spacer for the swinger bolt and you have to open the hole up to 15MM's from the stock 14MM's.

Anyhow, I built a plate for the bottom and trammed in the mill, this alone took 2 hours or more just to set up:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0591.jpg

Once set up, I took off the amount I needed to allow everything to work MY WAY :) :

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0593.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0594.jpg

Without this machine, I don't know how you could do this accurately, the idea is to IMPROVE and update the 350X, not hack new parts into it:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0595.jpg

Now this is the space I spoke of before with the black magic marker, I will machine a sleeve just a few thousands LONGER than the outside of my swingarm assembly.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0597.jpg

And here is a shot of the spacer and OEM thrust washer/collar and my S.S. washer that will take the side play up:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0599.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0602.jpg

If anyone can explain to me HOW they accomplish this without spacers/thrust bearings, I'd love to hear it.....

Right behind that collar will be the OEM inner seal but used outside because we now have now water/dirt protection.

So this is what it looks like, this one is for me and a crate engine........

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0596.jpg

And no, the 1/2" plate was just a jig :lol:

Next will be a set of "ears" for the lower pivot. I'll see what shock works, what they affect and so on. I have the 450R shock, 250R and a Cannondale FOX Podium but it's mounting is wrong. However, I have the aluminum and machines to make any linkage I want.....

All I want is a 350X I can jump further and higher with some confidence!

Billy Golightly
10-16-2010, 07:52 PM
Very Cool work DC. As I'm reading it I guess you haven't decided what to use for a rear shock yet, right? Have you decided if you are going link or no-link yet? Just my opinion, but I think the cross bar on the 350X frame is going to need some SIGNIFICANT mods to attach any type of linkage to it.

I have a 250R rear suspension jig that bolts into the pivot area and locates the top shock mount and the bottom linkage that might interest you :)

Dirtcrasher
10-16-2010, 07:56 PM
Thanks Billy, it will definitely have a linkage to it. I'll make up a a lower mount for the linkage based on the "R" design and then gusset it.

I've already gusseted the front portion of that tube to the side tubes.

Let me try a few things before I have you ship that up here, for now I can copy Deepa's 250R..............

harryredtrike
10-16-2010, 08:26 PM
nice job on the swinger update.that should give the added strength you want.plus all the usable parts are new and readily available,bonus.

factoryX
10-16-2010, 08:27 PM
very cool.

Vealmonkey
10-16-2010, 08:30 PM
If I haven't asked this before, how much longer is the 450r swingarm over a 350x?

Aka_am
10-16-2010, 08:43 PM
Not to high-jack, but with more machining could a 450r swingarm fit in a 86 200x? I think there's a inch difference.

Dirtcrasher
10-16-2010, 08:49 PM
^I'd have to measure but you can't take ANY more material off of the 450R swinger than I did... Your inch better be larger and I doubt it is. Honestly, I don't think the 200X is that much narrower...

VM - I'll check but I think there close to the same length and the 05 and under were 3/4" shorter.

Vealmonkey
10-16-2010, 09:00 PM
I'm sitting here thinking, 1) longer would be nicer, 2) Greg King sure could polish one of those 450r swingarms up real nice. I have that aftermarket swinger now, but I'm sure watching this thread pretty close. I'm anxious to see what all you have to do to fit a shock and what kind of shock options you have. I also know you keep talking about the 250r front forks, but I can't understand why you would update the rear and not do more to update the front?

hang&rattle
10-16-2010, 09:10 PM
O.k., so when you pull this off it'll mean completely new rear ends for (of course the 350x) 250r, 200x, and Tecate's(?). Dirtcrasher, when you pull this off it will mean you will have a bolt on kit to update our sport trikes to modern suspension and parts! Kudos. And I already know you can work on forks, and new trees have been fabbed. So the only thing (and I don't want it to change) is the power plant. I am excited, this is a big step to keeping the renovations of trikes rolling. This is big. Good work. This offers alot more hope for the lesser repair guy like me.

Dirtcrasher
10-16-2010, 09:21 PM
I'm sitting here thinking, 1) longer would be nicer, 2) Greg King sure could polish one of those 450r swingarms up real nice. I have that aftermarket swinger now, but I'm sure watching this thread pretty close. I'm anxious to see what all you have to do to fit a shock and what kind of shock options you have. I also know you keep talking about the 250r front forks, but I can't understand why you would update the rear and not do more to update the front?

What else can I do? I already fit 86 250R forks to the frame, no money for inverts :)

The swinger is cast, allot of work to polish. I ride so polishing is only for weddings as far as I go.........

Longer swingarms are nice but I learned a long time ago to put your head OVER the handle bars and almost touch the front fender for crazy hills.

Vealmonkey
10-16-2010, 09:27 PM
How much of an improvement are the 86 250r forks? I've been following some of your posts now in different threads and you just get me thinking too much. And then when you post to ask questions and such, well I just start asking tons of questions.

Dirtcrasher
10-16-2010, 09:33 PM
I think they are 4MM's larger and 2"s longer, and should perform better than the 350X stockers............

These are are excellent shape, no pitting anywhere :D

I'll get progressive springs for them if it's a big improvement.

Aka_am
10-16-2010, 10:01 PM
I think this is a no go right now...I'll have to measure in the frame but the 200x swinger is 7.80 inches without dustcaps. So that's .70 away from a 350x. I guess the .35 on both sides is just too much huh? :cry:

Dirtcrasher
10-16-2010, 10:08 PM
I think I took .330 off of each side......

Dirtcrasher
10-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Does anyone know if the cannondale Podium shocks were linkage less??

I can lower the top shock mount to get the desired ride height and rake.

Or continue with the linkage suspension.

If anyone has any input on the Cannondale FOX Podium, please let me know. They were all brand new maybe 6 years ago when Cannondale couldn't continue making quads due to the cost of R and D and such.... It doesn't seem to have compression or rebound settings, is it a floater??

Dirtcrasher
10-17-2010, 07:26 PM
Got the spacer done today, it allows the swingarm to move side to side about .005 per side against the S.S. thrust washer when the bolt is tightened down.

I also made the 2 outer spacers for the bolt because it's to long. I left room to weld on 2 thick washers which I'll bore to 15MM's :

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0603.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0605.jpg

Linkage, chain alignment, 450R master set up and so much more to do............

200x350xtriz250
10-17-2010, 08:26 PM
Once again DC nice job!! Like Aka_am, I too would like to see something like this for the 2nd gen 200x - if you find something that can be made to fit them let me know.

tri-Z ripper
10-18-2010, 05:39 PM
Post a picture of the shock if you can DC i have a buddy that can tell me about FOX shocks.

Dirtcrasher
10-22-2010, 04:48 PM
Mocked up a scrap motor today to check chain alignment:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0608.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0611.jpg

It looks to be near spot on, I could have shaved 1MM more off of the left to get it perfect but the chain slider can't lose much more aluminum off of the pivot area.......

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0613.jpg

Dirtcrasher
10-22-2010, 04:55 PM
Post a picture of the shock if you can DC i have a buddy that can tell me about FOX shocks.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0614.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0615.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0616.jpg

Fox shock - 13MM coils and about 15.5"s long on center.

450R shock - 11MM coils and 15.375, a hair shorter.

250R shock - 10MM coils and 16.312, the longest and smallest spring.

Because the Fox shock coils are so large, it must be a direct linkage shock but IDK if it's a floater..........

I have to put in the airbox and see what hits what. But I can make my own airbox from sheet metal and lower the upper mount; If need be.

The 450R rear mount is way to far away to be directly linked unless the shock were longer IMO.

Lots to learn......

Jason Hall
10-22-2010, 05:45 PM
DC- Can you remove the lower eye on the podium shock It should thread on? If so you could make or Buy a 450r style clevis and use the 450r linkage You can put the upper shock mount where ever you want, so that Is a plus. How long Is the shock rod compared to the stock 450r? It looks like just the upper body Is longer. You have lots of room on the fox shock to run a dual rate spring setup. How tall Is the bump stop on the podium? You could possibly shorten It to gain some usable travel.

jeddy
10-22-2010, 06:29 PM
I thought the Tri-Z's had a couple torrington bearings in the swingarm pivot end caps. I wonder if you could use something like that to allow it to move. One obvious problem would be the added width for the bearings, but they are pretty slim, I'm guessing about .060" for each one.

I have attempted to put the 400EX swingarm in a 350X when I was starting my 440X project, but got sidetracked with the Ban-Z rebuild. I planned to use the 400EX shock so I could make use of as many 400EX parts as possible for ease of replacement (and cheap also). I considered grafting on the rear of the 400EX frame due to the big difference in width of the arms and the fact that it would give me the stock shock attachement also.

Dirtcrasher
10-22-2010, 06:59 PM
I thought the Tri-Z's had a couple torrington bearings in the swingarm pivot end caps. I wonder if you could use something like that to allow it to move. One obvious problem would be the added width for the bearings, but they are pretty slim, I'm guessing about .060" for each one.

I have attempted to put the 400EX swingarm in a 350X when I was starting my 440X project, but got sidetracked with the Ban-Z rebuild. I planned to use the 400EX shock so I could make use of as many 400EX parts as possible for ease of replacement (and cheap also). I considered grafting on the rear of the 400EX frame due to the big difference in width of the arms and the fact that it would give me the stock shock attachement also.

I believe the 250R also has thrust bearings. I could have bought 20MM thrust bearings, 2 sides and a caged center bearing but I've fixed the thrust issue, I can't see it wearing very much especially after I add some grease fittings to it.......

JASON - Thanks for the ideas :) The FOX shock is beautiful but seems limited in travel with a tall bumpstop like you noticed. The 450R shock is a beauty but I couldn't pass up a take off shock for so cheap, however, lots of guys converting say they are way to stiff. The 250R shock had a rotted bumpstop so I'd rebuild that anyhow prior to use.....

It may take weeks of messing around but I just want some rear suspension I know will absorb some landings before I get to old to hit those jumps :lol:

Jason Hall
10-22-2010, 07:26 PM
I know how stiff the 450r rear shock Is first hand, as I have swapped a few swingarm's :beer That Is why I recommended a dual rate spring setup. With all the threads on the upper shock body, you could probably add a lighter spring on top with a crossover.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/Jasons450r/85RLongTravelStart.jpg

Jason Hall
10-22-2010, 07:56 PM
Here Is a dual rate setup for sale pretty cheap. You could turn your own aluminum collar out on your lathe Real quick I'm sure. This set might not be the rate you would need, but I see them for sale all the time. You have Lots of common sense and knowledge with lots of thing's, so you would get this figured out real quick. I'm sure with some Investigating On Axis's website you could find out the Inner diameter of the spring's In this auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dual-Rate-Shock-Springs-Custom-Axis-325lbs-rear-SALE-/290471273651?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a16fe4b3#ht_868wt_1083

RacerRichie
10-22-2010, 07:57 PM
very cool thread thank you for the pictures

fabiodriven
10-22-2010, 08:24 PM
I gotta get over there Steve. You've been really busy I see.

Dirtcrasher
10-22-2010, 08:38 PM
^ I'm trying John :) Ordered and brand new 450R caliper today...... I gotta scrap all these old parts!

I wonder what the Cannondale shock with the 250R spring would be like? It's got a huge shock shaft!! :lol:

Thanks Jason!!

Aka_am
10-24-2010, 03:50 PM
Hey dirtcrasher, the space for the 86 200x is 8 and 1/8th or so. I have to get my calipers to be exact but, this swap seems almost feasible now. I'll edit my post with the exacts soon.

Dirtcrasher
11-03-2010, 12:05 PM
^ well, even if it fits, the shock has to be figured out/mounts built and it has to be a HUGE improvement. Otherwise I'll need an Elka or have to figure out something without chopping airboxes etc. It's different on every trike.......

Now my entire rear end is all take off 450R parts and I got everything including a new caliper for about 250$. You just can't beat 06 take off parts for that......

Still so much to buy and do, today I have to get the new 450R master cylinder mounted onto my lower gusset and now that my repair is out of the shop, I can mock up the machine.......

TheRealFatShady
11-03-2010, 02:29 PM
DC, Could this theoretically work out now as it is, with just a stock 450R shock? Of course you found all the parts way cheaper than I can now, but I will look around for some for my X. If I can get it rolling/riding, I don't mind stripping it down again for PC.

Dirtcrasher
11-03-2010, 05:56 PM
^ I can't answer that - yet..... I think the resevoir would have issues with the airbox and many say it's very stiff.

Anyhow, after 5 weeks with a 500lb quad, I had enough room to mock up the trike today:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0633.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0636.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0635.jpg

The last shot is the new 450R master cylinder, just need a place to mount the resi. but the air-box and exhaust dictate that.

It's sitting a bit high, but it's missing 140lbs of parts. I'm gonna remove the motor and toss in a 100lb barbell to get a better idea of the suspension height.

Like Jason had said awhile back, the rear height determines the rake. So, I may be able to get it dead on with the right shock. Thats gonna have to be worked out.......

All the 450R parts will be brand new and the crate motor will last 25yrs. so I have no worries aside from the 60 some odd items I need to finish this. Just when you think you have everything, your missing TONS of small items. Enjoy, I hope my project motivates others :D

Next is the rear shock and linkage, THAT will be a bit of work to get the results I want............

TheRealFatShady
11-04-2010, 12:45 AM
250r front end it looks like? And not sure if you posted, I didn't see any numbers online either, do you know how much longer the 06 450R swinger is than the 350x one? I'd like at least another inch or two if I go with the heel guards.

Stock shock may work, remember I'm a heavy guy, :lol:

Dirtcrasher
11-04-2010, 12:14 PM
Yep, 250R triples bored for the 350X stem; I already rebuilt a front caliper for it, gotta love those plastic pistons.......I've got a stainless steel rotor for it, a master cylinder from Jeff custom engraved and new OEM pads. You may have some of the small crap I need, it will all get PC'd anyhow..........

The 450R shock may suit you, but it may not fit. Thats next because I'm 210lbs myself.

Aka_am
11-04-2010, 12:44 PM
wow, I'm 140 pounds so I'm assuming I would totally need a re-valve if I attempted this..I need to gain some weight lol

Dirtcrasher, it's looking excellent though, keep taking tons of pics!

fabiodriven
11-04-2010, 03:32 PM
Steve, you never cease to amaze me.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i282/smatt781/excellent.jpg

Dirtcrasher
11-05-2010, 07:55 PM
No pic today, just insight.

The 250R or other "linkage" type frames obviously differ from the 350X/200X no linkage frame.

It looks like my lower shock linkage mount has to be about 2.5"s away from the lower frame rail. And the only shock I can see working easiest is the 250R shock.

I called FOX and they have no idea what this shock is from, even with all the numbers on it; Or, they could care less.............. The bottom mount won't unthread, it's unthreading from bearing assembly within the body itself. I don't won't to get covered in oil and 180psi of nitrogen so I stopped messing with it.

What Billy said about extensive frame mods is dead on. That doesn't frighten me because I can end the mount at the lower engine mounts, that helps keep it strong; But, many gussets will be made.

1st up is to just make a simple lower mount and see how it sits and feels; If I like it, I'll make a massive mount but man is that 450R linkage far from the lower tube which isn't ideal. I wish I knew how far on center the hole for the lower linkage mount on a 250R to the edge of the lower frame tube. I'm thinking it's about an inch shorter..........

I guess the only thing that may have to be trial and error is the placement of the lower mount. It dictates what bottoms where and the overall ride height. I've gotta stuff an 80lb dumbell on the motor to help keep it closer to the actual weight. I'll make fast crappy mounts first but I won't be able to jump it :lol:

tri-Z ripper
11-05-2010, 08:30 PM
I know this sounds crazy, but I have measures up mountain bike eyelets that would work If drilled out. With a 600 pound spring rating. I wonder if a piggy back heavy weight Mtn bike shock would work. Sorry if it sounds too extreme but look into it.

The Goat
11-05-2010, 09:20 PM
steve if you want the hookup on oem parts...hit me up. I don't forget favors bud.

Dirtcrasher
11-05-2010, 10:04 PM
I just couldn't stand, WONDERING.............

I looked at the clock 8PM and figured I could whip up 2 mounts exactly as described above to quickly test the suspension. I have to add the weight (too much work to toss a crate motor in and out) and then build a solid mount.

I jumped on it when I was done and OMG, what a difference :beer Apparently it IS POSSIBLE to improve on the 350X suspension without buying 800$ shocks. My only disappointment is having to use the 250R shock. [I] guess I'll just buy some rebuild kits, seal heads and shafts to ensure I can always have a 25 y.o. shock.

I just can't wait to do the motor mods, PC all the parts and get it running; Probably spring time but it gives me plenty of time to rebuild this shock (it's fine but has no bumpstop) and work out all the other details.

It should be one well suspended 350X :D

More pics:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0642.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0640.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0643.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0641.jpg

I'm gonna check DEEPA's ride height tomorrow, (we're working on a small block Vette engine). Then I can pull that 2.5"s in if I have to to raise up the rear and I gotta get the weight on there.

For now, the suspension feels awesome and the steering rake is near the same as an OEM 350X.........

Vealmonkey
11-05-2010, 10:17 PM
I wonder if there is any handling difference with the trailing 250r axle as compared to the leading 350x front axle set up? Nice job with the build.

Dirtcrasher
11-05-2010, 10:32 PM
Leading axles turn faster than trailing. But, if you play with the rear mount, bore the 350X triple for the 250R triple, your close to the stock measurement from the footpeg to the center of the axle. Jason along with Bill have said it will feel close to stock.

This way it seems to be off about 3/8ths" from the stock measurement.

HEY RIPPER!! Where is your bud that KNOWS FOX shocks?? :wondering:

ama009
11-06-2010, 07:45 AM
Hey DC, Awesome job with the build!!! absolutely love the pics. I just got my first trike (200x) and ive been working on getting it up to date, but your Thread has really got me thinking about mods. I am looking forward to your end product.

Dirtcrasher
11-16-2010, 07:38 PM
I got some more stuff done but I still need a ton of tiny odds and ends, 1986.

If anyone has nice 1986 parts - wiring harness, CDI, voltage regulator, engine skidplate (either year), All the motor mounts and bolts (they will be blasted and PC'd so no big deal aside from the threads being good and thats about it until I get with a good connection for aftermarket dealer pricing. Then, I can continue........... I just can't do it paying retail.

Also waiting on the new auto-darkening welding helmet. They really improve your welds and I'm not happy with mine lately.

Here are some pics anyhow, and no, there is not one crack in that OEM fender :D

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0660.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0659.jpg

Yes the tire needs centering as it was on my SX but thats chicken compared to the rest of this.

I got some of the stuff I need but plenty more to go; I figure 6 months will do it.........

TheRealFatShady
11-16-2010, 09:49 PM
Nice fenders! Crappy foot pegs. :lol:

Looked into a 400ex CDI? Thread with info is here: http://www.3wheeler.org/vb/showthread.php?t=30161

So does it look like I should go grab a pair of 250r shocks? Not sure what they're worth, but I'll keep an eye out. Same problem on my airfooler with a 450r reservoir and the airbox.

And if you move the mount up for a 250r shock, then the 450r swinger wouldn't effect it much, (meaning using the older 04/05 model.) The shock mount on those is further forward, and it's .75" shorter overall.

EDIT: Is it abnormally wide?

fabiodriven
11-16-2010, 10:06 PM
Lookin good Steve.

Dirtcrasher
12-05-2010, 07:26 PM
I'VE GOT IT!!

I hope the rake works out well and it turns but I could blindfold you and put you on this 350X and a 250R and they would feel very much the same.

I played with the "new" linkage mount all day and finally got it where I think is perfect. The ears are opposite the lower engine mount so with some gusseting I have no fear of breakage.

It's very plush at the lightest preload, I've got a long way to crank it down if needed :D

Waiting for my progressive springs, I'll weld this all up and I can put it back together. The 450R master looks like it's meant to be there. Sometimes you think your inline and just a few more MM's makes it better. Amazing..............

I'll post some pics when it looks like a real trike; Many spacers to make and welding to do. This is no easy mod for a 350X but I'll let you know how it all works out :beer

Dirtcrasher
12-06-2010, 08:45 PM
Well, yesterday got me a bit more enthused, sometimes these projects are just so overwhelming they get done crappy or never completed. I won't build it if I can't build it right.....

So I tore it down again and started on the bushings for the upper and lower shock mounts. I have an awesome solution for the top! But the bottom I need to make some spacers/collars/reducers. You could do it with washers and a bunch of crap but I want this to be easy to assemble and appear as if it was meant to be there. The distance between the lower shock clevis was about 4MM's too large and the hole diameter was too large to use the 450R linkage. I fixed both with some lathe work.

You can't drill out bushings that ride on spacers, they are hard as rocks and precision ground so this was the only way.

Anyhow, here are some pics for today, took about 3 hours to design, make and install these............

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0676.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0681.jpg

Finished collars, reducers/spacers.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0683.jpg

Drawed it in with a bolt, finish reamed with a 10mm reamer.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0684.jpg

Finished:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0686.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0688.jpg

There are so many little things that have to be attended to. A few more things then I'll tear it down, finish weld it and get ready for the crate motor install........:D

Red Rider
12-06-2010, 09:41 PM
You could do it with washers and a bunch of crap but I want this to be easy to assemble and appear as if it was meant to be there.DC, I like the way you think. All of the work so far looks top notch!

Dirtcrasher
12-06-2010, 10:00 PM
If I haven't asked this before, how much longer is the 450r swingarm over a 350x?

I never checked until yesterday, the 06 swinger and up is about 2"s longer than stock :D The 05 and earlier is about 3/4" shorter (than 06 and up) but the link mount to swinger pivot is off allot; I believe it's quite a bit shorter, I'd have to check......

Vealmonkey
12-06-2010, 11:43 PM
A nice clean solution for the lower shock mount. Little details like this is what makes all the difference in the world between a nice build and a sweet build. Of course it helps to be a machinist and have acces to the right equipment. I think the little extra length in the swinger will be a nice addition also.

Dirtcrasher
12-07-2010, 05:08 PM
^^^Thanks guys! The upper shock mount on a 250R shock accepted a 450R needle bearing and 2 dual lipped seals and sleeve, perfect ID and OD and much smoother action :naughty:

It's in the freezer now :lol:

Dirtcrasher
12-08-2010, 09:26 PM
Well, I may get some crap here but I'll share it anyhow.

The 350X stem is about .030 larger than the 250R stem. The only way this works is by using that 350X stem in a 250R triple.

I've always been told to bore the triple, but anyone who machines knows how much work it is to indicate it in and set up a boring head.

SO... I took a mere .008 thousands roughly (wall thickness) and the same for the lower clip in my lathe. Saved me tons of work and the stem diameter isn't even 1mm smaller. I have no fear of breakage and the mill setup time will not be missed!

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0693.jpg

I installed the Progressive springs today and added fork oil, I'm very happy with the results. This suspension puts the 350X to shame...........

How do you beat progressive springs, 4mm larger forks and 2"s of additional travel?? Sitting about 26"s to the last grab bar bolt center.

All I need is a few odd things that I'll PC in the spring but I'll ride it this winter. If the crate motor slips the clutch, I'll get new fibers :D

tanks350x
12-19-2010, 07:58 PM
Wow steve awesome work... I've got to get over there soon!!!

Dirtcrasher
12-24-2010, 03:52 PM
^ Hope to see you too, I need some Shoe Goo!! :lol:

Anyhow, just got an IMS oversized tank shipped for 175. They are a bit wider and may help with the turning clearance.

Next few weeks this should all come together.

Merry Xmas guys, esp. to Roy! :beer

Doppler
12-26-2010, 10:54 PM
This is such a cool build! Great work man! Do you plan on making and selling any of the spacers and such for the install? I am happy with my front end, I have 83 250r insides on my forks along with inner tubes and progressive springs. The rear suspension would be much better with this setup though

Vealmonkey
12-27-2010, 07:45 AM
DC, I was just looking over your thread again for the hundredth time, and I notice you are using the 250 triples now. Originally you were going to bore out the 350x triples for the 250r forks, why the change? Doesn't this change your steering geometry? I'm confused since you originally posted on using the 350x triples. Also, what's the difference in the 85 and 86 250r triples? I hate to bug you since you hate to type. LOL I should call and bend your ear. But this keeps nagging at me since your original posting earlier. I've been reading through this many times and I'm really digging this whole thread. Forgive my questions.

fabiodriven
12-27-2010, 03:00 PM
You should see it in person Veal. The pictures don't do it any justice.

Dirtcrasher
12-27-2010, 03:49 PM
DC, I was just looking over your thread again for the hundredth time, and I notice you are using the 250 triples now. Originally you were going to bore out the 350x triples for the 250r forks, why the change? Doesn't this change your steering geometry? I'm confused since you originally posted on using the 350x triples. Also, what's the difference in the 85 and 86 250r triples? I hate to bug you since you hate to type. LOL I should call and bend your ear. But this keeps nagging at me since your original posting earlier. I've been reading through this many times and I'm really digging this whole thread. Forgive my questions.


Originally I bored the 250R triple to accept the stem from the 350X, then run trailing axle. The 350X stem is about .015 larger than the bore on the 250R triple so I just turned it down on the lathe. I can't be convinced that .015 (fifteen thousandths) is any weaker.

Still running 250R triples either way, just pressing the stem in one of 2 ways.

Think the lower shock linkage is strong enough? :lol:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0725.jpg

Thank god I got my new welding helmet yesterday, The lens was so dark on this one that I couldn't see and my usual welds suffered.........

Doppler
12-28-2010, 11:29 AM
This is such a cool build! Great work man! Do you plan on making and selling any of the spacers and such for the install? I am happy with my front end, I have 83 250r insides on my forks along with inner tubes and progressive springs. The rear suspension would be much better with this setup though

Yeah.....?

Dirtcrasher
12-30-2010, 12:03 AM
IDK, there are so many things that have to be machined and then a whole lower mount fabricated and gusseted that it wouldn't be an easy thing to offer people.

Once I get this all down, I already have another one lined up for a member. In the future I may offer to build/machine and sell certain parts but this is nothing easy to get right.........

I just can't wait to assemble it soon!!

fire1
12-30-2010, 12:35 AM
Great work very interesting

Doppler
12-30-2010, 12:38 AM
Yeah I totally understand. Hmm maybe someday I will ship my frame off to you.....

NINJA
12-30-2010, 03:29 AM
You're a feckin' maniac, but you're also my best eFriend! Lookin' good Stevo, can't wait to see the finished product.

MagicJames
01-06-2011, 05:09 PM
So.... Steve :D :D :D

How much for a kit?

Dirtcrasher
01-06-2011, 06:50 PM
When you see it all powder coated, that means R and D are over, testing is approved and I can guide you guys to the swaps or make some parts for your own.

I have more gussets on this frame than any other, it needs them.......... :D

Can't wait for the test ride!! :Bounce

atc400x
01-06-2011, 08:52 PM
THIS IS REALY SWEET i do love my +3 but the thought of gitting rid of my stock bering housing is awsome, on #3 at present time. you should realy give some thought to the big bore kit it to is awsome. thanks to ALL you guys that make cool stuff so every one else can up date.

Dirtcrasher
01-06-2011, 11:30 PM
^ I have heard good things about the big bores, but I don't have the cash to spend right now :(

I didn't even have the money to build this but I figured I deserved at least 1 last HOOOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!

All the heads I re-studded basically financed this whole operation and I had 75% of it anyhow.

Now I need shrouds for the new Red IMS tank, the color is too far off from OEM which I have new shrouds for.

Maybe MAIER has something I can heat up and bend out a bit?? White might work well :D

DC

Dirtcrasher
01-21-2011, 04:32 PM
Hey guys. Well I got the engine buttoned up with the Megacycle cam installed:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0759.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0755.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0759.jpg

Next on the list was gas tank mounting and steering radius clearance. I tried OEM, CLARKE, IMS oversized - Maier scoops, Super scoops, OEM scoops. NOTHING would give me the turning radius I wanted. So, I had to move the gas tank back about 1.5"s or so, trim the fenders and the front portion of the seat actually lays better against the IMS tank now than it had even in OEM form.

I had to build new front fuel mounts and now that I've chopped off the useless stock fuel tank mounts; I left the left side for the oil cooler mount. I'm gonna try to do something fancy here with the 2 front mounts on the rear fender and incorporate rear fuel tanks to it. I moved the tank back exactly far enough to be able to do this, but it still should be rubber mounted for vibration......

This is the new fuel tank clearance:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0770.jpg

And now 2 side shots of how it comes together:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0774.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0775.jpg

And a front view, nothing special:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0773.jpg

The 250R forks were just losing my turning radius and after all this work, I did not want that. Now I even have a few more degrees than stock and can build front steering stops. If any of it were wrong, the powder coating would be junk when making future changes.

That swinger giving it another 2.5"s or so will be nice.....

Do it once and do it right! :beer

Enjoy :D

200x350xtriz250
01-21-2011, 04:54 PM
Nice work as always Steve!! I like how the seat lines up with the tank for sure. Keep it up and keep us posted.

Dirtcrasher
02-13-2011, 02:49 PM
Update:

I can't paint or PC until this crap weather goes away, still 2-3' of snow around here; Very frustrating to have 95% of the pieces but I can't even tear it down, paint it and try it all out. If the frame shock and fork geometry feel good, I'll get it PC'd (too big for my oven....) But, I can't test it.

Have to wait for better weather :(

tanks350x
02-27-2011, 03:56 PM
If you want to use the same powder coater that I used, let me know, I'll be more than happy to drop it off for you.... Like I said, let me know...

Dirtcrasher
03-24-2011, 09:42 PM
It's assembling fast now; We got 2- 50 degree days so I could paint.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0824.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0826.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0827.jpg

TheRealFatShady
03-24-2011, 09:57 PM
Great to see!! Hope to come ride it soon

Dirtcrasher
03-24-2011, 10:07 PM
^ Man, it's snowing outside........

Friggen Northeast........ I'll post the updated pics in the next day or two.

ironchop
03-25-2011, 06:30 PM
that is one bullet-proof frame

great build can`t wait to see it finished

code200k
03-25-2011, 07:40 PM
great work DC.you are doing something that will make trikes last for 20 plus more years.cant wait to see the finish product

Dirtcrasher
03-26-2011, 10:53 PM
Motor will be in tomorrow, new compressor will be here Wednesday (60 gallon twin cast iron, I'm done F'n around) and I should be finishing it this week. Only stumbling block may be the 400EX carb, if it runs like crap with that I'll steal my 350X carb off the other trike, jump up a couple mains and get the crate motor broke in. All is going well, seized compressor last week slowed me up as well as the weather STILL! Enjoy.........

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0835.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0834.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0832.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0831.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0833.jpg

Note the length difference in a stock swinger to an 06 and up 450R swinger, before 06 is only about 3/4" shorter than the newer models......

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0828.jpg

Yes the gold needs to be stripped off the front rim/hub and one tire is mounted backwards, not by me.......

All parts are crate, new, take offs or rebuilt entirely.

sweetip2000
03-27-2011, 12:57 AM
Very trick. What will you call the final product ? DC Swinger ?

tanks350x
03-27-2011, 09:44 AM
Looks real good Stevo,,, I'm gonna have to bring mine over there this week...

TheRealFatShady
03-27-2011, 12:45 PM
Lookin' good Steve, can't wait to see it!

Let me know if you're about to order any parts, need some rear end parts for mine.

Bryan Raffa
03-27-2011, 01:33 PM
WOW You NEED Inverts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shorty
03-27-2011, 01:49 PM
WOW You NEED Inverts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

250R forks are cheap and easy to find,you don't have to do a seal job every year (Like you have to do with the commonly used KTM80 forks.), inverts are very expensive, and 24+ year old trike frames can't take the beating from inverts. They'll crack.

Shorty
03-27-2011, 01:57 PM
Oh and steve, put a 38mm FCR carb off a newer 4 stroke 250 dirt bike on there instead of a 400ex carb. That will wake the bike up alot better than a wimpy ol' 400ex carb.

Dirtcrasher
03-28-2011, 08:08 PM
Crate motor got in and some other odds/ends. I have to order a few things and spent time today working on other people's stuff. Anyhow:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0839.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0838.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0840.jpg

Just pluggin away........ Makes my old 86 look like a POS :lol:

Thanks for the views and advice. Raffa, I'll be on the lookout for the package :D

Maybe next crate motor, ya learn more on every build...........

Shorty
03-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Look'n good! She's gonna be a purty one :D.





Shorty:D

NINJA
03-28-2011, 08:41 PM
Looks like that's going to be a sweet 250R!:p

Dirtcrasher
03-28-2011, 10:25 PM
Thanks guys.

Shorty, I'm with you 100% but I can't afford one of those carbs. If you find one, please PM me :D

I'm lucky to be this far, so glad I saved these parts and it was actually possible to do............

tri-Z ripper
03-28-2011, 10:40 PM
Personally DC I believe this belongs in the top tier build section, but since your half mad scientist/ stupendous enginer I guess it's in the right place! Nice work as always. Can't wait to hopefully see it this summer
And shorty, on inverts, are you crazy you can make an invert float like a cloud if done right. I only know this from having mine done on dirt bikes. But I'm sure it would not over stress the frame.

TheRealFatShady
03-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Looks really good DC. Can't wait to ride it.

Dirtcrasher
03-31-2011, 09:34 PM
Lots more done but it's SNOWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Got my new 60 gallon air compressor today (twin cast iron cylinders) and got some more work done.

I ordered Pro Tapers and some cables but I can get by with the old Renthals etc etc.

Should be able to start it this coming week :D

I prepped the track for testing with the back hoe; Hang on guys, I ordered a new CO2/Argon regulator, it was affecting my welds quite a bit. I should be ready to get some frames done very soon..........

April should clear out all the work I have to get done as well as some headlight guards depending on interest. I just need to make a steel run soon.........

Dirtcrasher
04-02-2011, 08:56 PM
Got more done, waiting on some parts but I have a few other things I can put on. Ordered jets, Pro Tapers etc etc..............

Pics:

Chain, shock mounts, shifter, trimmed case saver a bit for the 14 tooth front sprocket.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0846.jpg

I gotta ditch that gold rim/hub......

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0842.jpg

Back shot

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0845.jpg

I'll be at it again tomorrow and then out of parts. I'll start some other stuff while waiting.......

Aka_am
04-02-2011, 10:45 PM
That looks amazing DC! The gold rim makes it the center of attention :lol: Is one of your rear tires on backwards?

Dirtcrasher
04-02-2011, 10:56 PM
Thanks bud, this has NOT been an easy task. But what odd build is??

It was a tire/rim I bought which must have been on the opposing side. No biggie, I'll unmount it and flip it.........

TheRealFatShady
04-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Looks really good, looks a lot taller/higher ground clearance with the 250r shock and front end.

Aka_am
04-02-2011, 11:03 PM
True, but your time and money is good experience and an adventure. haha

I really need to get a tire changer!

Dirtcrasher
04-02-2011, 11:10 PM
^ Harbor Freight with the ATV bead breaker......

tanks350x
04-03-2011, 08:46 AM
Why did you mess with the track? It seemed fine to me the other day...

NESC104
04-05-2011, 04:10 PM
Hey Steve,
Build is looking good. How did you make out tracking down the previous owner???

Dirtcrasher
04-05-2011, 07:26 PM
Thanks bud; I'm waiting on parts now so I won't be posting up much new stuff. I do have some ends to tie up still though.........

I understood what you sent me, thanks for that. I'm just gonna roll with option 1 when I register it. It will be awhile yet after I break it in etc etc.

Dirtcrasher
04-09-2011, 07:03 PM
Made some nice thick toolbox collars, got the SuperTrapp put on....... Waiting on parts.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0858.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0857.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0856.jpg

Just picking away at the odds and ends.

Building more gusset kits for a 450R lower linkage conversion but it is not easy to get the swingarm width nailed down without the PC'd frame in front of you.

Dirtcrasher
04-14-2011, 09:33 PM
Got some more progress today. Jeff (Honda250SX) made me the master cover and gave the assembly to me; Thanks bud! :beer:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0870.jpg

Rear tank mounts share the rear fender mounting area. I had to move the tank back to clear the triples.....

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0866.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0865.jpg

Front tank mounts are welded to the upper motor mount brackets

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0868.jpg

Shouldn't be long now....... Hope to powder coat the ST system this weekend.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0879.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0881.jpg

Bars are temporary, adapters and Pro Tapers are on the way (thank that to Jeff also)

250r_doverdemon
04-14-2011, 09:38 PM
is the 86 200x swinger much narrower then the 350x? just wondering if id be able to do this..

Dirtcrasher
04-14-2011, 09:57 PM
^ HUH?? It's an 08 450R swinger, an 86 200X swinger wouldn't be any better than the stock 350X linkage-less suspension..........

Anyone can do it. With a mill, lathe, grinders, welders, sawzall, time and allot of trial and error :D

If I was working full time this wouldn't have been made.

250r_doverdemon
04-14-2011, 10:00 PM
no i ment would i be able to fit the 450r swinger without to much shaving..so i wanna know how much difference is there with the 200x swinger and 350x swinger..

Dirtcrasher
04-14-2011, 10:22 PM
The 86 200X is just too tight, I barely made the cuts on a 350X. You'd run out of swinger material to remove........

TheRealFatShady
04-15-2011, 01:20 AM
Steve it looks great. Turns out I should be able to see you soon after all. Paid more locally than online, but got my car fixed. (Replaced CV shaft, needs powersteering pump next) But it runs.

I'll keep in touch, can't wait to ride it!

Dirtcrasher
04-20-2011, 10:57 PM
Still waiting on parts but still lots to get made up/powder coated.

Got some time on the 450R foot peg mounting plates done today:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0894.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0893.jpg

Still looking at the 1st week of May for completion...........

tanks350x
04-22-2011, 09:25 PM
Hey, weren't you making me a set of those collars for the tool box?

tanks350x
04-29-2011, 08:07 PM
I guess not!

Dirtcrasher
04-30-2011, 03:08 PM
I guess not!

You make yourself look like a meathead.

Send me a PM/call me, so sorry I didn't immediately reply; I'm TRYING to finish a F!$#@!&! build here.

I'm busy, for more reasons than one; Don't contaminate my build thread please.........

Dirtcrasher
05-04-2011, 08:22 PM
Have some powder coating to do on the foot peg mounts and a couple other small things to wrap up but it's basically done. Need to get the seat covered and a couple other things on there....

Feels really great!!

Lot of work but worth the end result. I'll try posting a vid...........

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/th_101_0969.jpg (http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/?action=view&current=101_0969.mp4)

How do you guys post the video right on the board without being linked?? I'll have to look up the newbs info :D

jays375
05-04-2011, 08:29 PM
Sounds pretty good.What did you do to the motor?

Dirtcrasher
05-06-2011, 03:20 PM
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0977.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0975.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0970.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0974.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0971.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/101_0973.jpg

Dirtcrasher
05-06-2011, 03:24 PM
I'm using the 350X carb to break it in. 52 pilot, 152 main. I'll get the 400EX carb on soon, see what that adds......



http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/th_101_0979.jpg (http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh220/Dirtcrasher/?action=view&current=101_0979.mp4)

fabiodriven
05-06-2011, 08:13 PM
:w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:

shortline10
05-06-2011, 08:21 PM
Awesome build Steve and it sounds great !!!!!!

Dirtcrasher
05-08-2011, 12:03 PM
Thanks guys :beer

It handles awesome, no issues with over/under steering at all!!

xrider
05-08-2011, 07:58 PM
Looking good Steve!

d_b3ck
05-09-2011, 01:25 PM
the trike looks great very sweet build, but you need to get rid of that gold rim

fabiodriven
05-09-2011, 01:26 PM
Anything else he has to do boss?

d_b3ck
05-09-2011, 02:37 PM
i dont mean it like that but i seen some were in the forum that he said he didnt like it either

honda250sx
05-10-2011, 10:06 AM
I'm digging it. Like it. FANCY CNC work on that master cylinder...hmmm wonder who cranked that out! Hahaha. Great work as always!!!

The Goat
05-19-2011, 10:40 AM
Steve if you sell that 400ex carb and a 350x carb you'll have more than enough to buy a used fcr and rejet.

Do I think you really need an fcr with an essentially stock motor... Eh prolly not. But the potential is always there and the flow does increase. If you turn yourself a billet intake like I got Shawn to do for me, you'll see a lot more performance!

Ps: that's one mod I did that has caught on well for that 350 motor. Billet intakes and port work are key!

oldskool83
05-19-2011, 11:00 AM
I really like the R front end on the 350x a lot. i think it looks way better then the 350x front end. nice clean done up 350x btw....now i want one!

Dirtcrasher
05-19-2011, 08:14 PM
^ Thank you :D

I may not even put the 400EX carb on (although I already have the jets and rebuild kit); It's plenty fast for me being a crate motor with a 10.:1, mega-cam and Supertrapp. The power is smooth and pulls very hard mid range to top.

I am already over jumping everything which Is why I sold my 85 250R so I don't really need it any quicker.......

miajosh
05-24-2011, 11:52 PM
sweet work dirt.love how it sounds.

carmen cafro
06-05-2011, 10:22 AM
Impressive build!

Xowner
12-31-2011, 03:36 AM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/brainblog116.gif

DC do you still have the fox shock? id like to have some measurements off it or even borrow it if your up to it ? Im trying to put this on an 85 250r.

Dirtcrasher
12-31-2011, 08:23 PM
"X" I'll take a look at it sometime and give you some measurements. I forget where I stashed it.

The only reason I did not use it was because FOX could not identify it and it was not a direct 350X bolt on, regardless of valving and or spring rates which I could change. When I tried to remove the lower boss, the whole shaft was pulling from the upper portion instead so I just tightened it back up and abandoned the idea until further free time was available.

When I bought it, it was sold as a take off Cannondale shock.......

Xowner
01-01-2012, 01:24 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cannondale-440-Moto-Blaze-Glamis-Speed-Fox-Rear-Shock-/330660301475?hash=item4cfce3caa3&item=330660301475&pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

Im pretty sure it is a C-dale fox shock.

Dirtcrasher
01-01-2012, 02:13 PM
You ought to buy that one if you think it will work. I'm gonna use mine someday.......

Xowner
01-01-2012, 07:21 PM
You ought to buy that one if you think it will work. I'm gonna use mine someday.......

Thats the thing. i wanted to know if it was even close

tri-Z ripper
01-05-2012, 05:16 PM
Looks and sounds great DC

Shorty
05-05-2012, 11:54 PM
I may have skimmed a little to fast over the thread but how much longer is the 06 450r swingarm compared to a stock 85-86 350x?



Shorty:D

Dirtcrasher
05-06-2012, 03:29 PM
There is a pic in my build; It seems to be nearly 3inches longer than stock......

ditchmud
01-20-2013, 05:43 PM
Any ride reports now that you have had time to ride it? I am going to redo my 350x soon and I really like what you have done here although I think that it is beyond my capabilities. Also I THINK THIS SHOULD BE IN THE TOP TIER BUILD SECTION, WELL DONE SIR!

MIK6
01-20-2013, 05:52 PM
It was at TF ditchmud.. im pretty sure that was the missing trike! Lol
Amanda rode it back to him after they found it.. she might have a ride report!

MIK6/ Mike

Dirtcrasher
01-21-2013, 04:29 PM
Any ride reports now that you have had time to ride it? I am going to redo my 350x soon and I really like what you have done here although I think that it is beyond my capabilities. Also I THINK THIS SHOULD BE IN THE TOP TIER BUILD SECTION, WELL DONE SIR!

I don't think I'm unhappy with it at all. Tons of work and it tracks straight and turns great. And sounds pretty awesome!!

I can't wait till early spring when I'm ordering 3-18 wheelers of dirt :beer

Thanks for the props :D

ps2fixer
03-13-2013, 04:24 AM
I might be crazy, but wouldn't have been easier to widen the location where the swing arm bolts though instead of remachining the swing arm? My dad relocated the swing location on a blaster he reworked, extended the swing arm ~5 inches and put a 500cc twin cyl sporty road bike engine in it. Still not finished, but is a roller lol.

aldochina
03-14-2013, 01:21 AM
I just re read this whole thread! Awsome!! You sure get the wheels turning DC! I'm glad to know if I ever attempt anything similar that we're pals!!

Dirtcrasher
03-14-2013, 02:51 PM
I just re read this whole thread! Awsome!! You sure get the wheels turning DC! I'm glad to know if I ever attempt anything similar that we're pals!!

Thanks Rory, you have to ride sometime!!

It was a ton of work. But I am glad with how it came together in the end...

Jmoozy27
04-03-2015, 02:18 AM
DC, this is a really sweet build and I wanted some of the newer guys like myself to read through this thread. There is just tons of good solid information in this literature. Alot of it applies to any suspended build, not just a 350x. I'm starting to understand how suspension directly effects the rest of the machine. Newbies need to read through this thread carefully and take notes. This is exactly how I want my builds to play out. Custom, one of a kind, precise, and just plain effective. Built to ride, not to store...