it will never end

[yooperman]

it started of with the hardcore drugs, went to the marjiuanna and its been working on priscription drugs for a while now. but they were hammering these drugs so hard for a long time nobody really payed attention to what was going on behind the scenes tabaccoo products, they have been slowly discretly working on getting rid of them until recently.

You see more and more places banning tabacco usage, its on its way to becoming illegal i seen it coming because in the army they really cracked down on it big time. Check this article out this tabacco thing is in full force its just a matter of time before its done.

http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?list=194550&id=609784

When does it end? big brother is in charge of everything, people will say oh they cant do that but its the GOVERNMENT they can do anything there is ways around everything being in the military ive seen it done, people will say ahh thats the military if it can be done in the military it can be done on the outside who runs the military the government, this fires me up because i snuff its my stress reliever lol. thought i would share this with ya's.

[dcreel]

As a long time smoker who quit about 3 months ago for the 3rd time in 30 years. Smoking cigarettes is an incredibly stupid way to spend your money. Not to mention a sh!tty thing to force on your children. I have several friends with severe asthma who grew up driving around in a car with a parent puffing away with all the windows rolled up in the car. $5 + a pack to put yourself in an early grave could be what, besides incredibly stupid... I did it for almost 30 years so.. Waking up hacking.. Once upon a time smoking was less hazardous.. but that was before the tobacco companies started removing the tobacco and replacing it with chemicals. Hell, cigarettes started tasting like chemicals..

This is just my opinion.. what you do with your money is on you.. Seeing my children graduate high school and college is important to me.

[Mr_RPM]

I believe people should have the choice to do what they want as long as does not effect anyone else to much.
if you want to smoke, then do it. just be respectful to non-smokers and lets have the non-smokers be respectful to the smokers.

if you dont want to buckle up, or wear a helmet, then dont. it does not effect those who want to wear them.
Im fine not being able to smoke in public places, just as long as I can smoke outside, at parties, in cars ect... I understand the 2nd hand smoke thing and its like drinking and driving. if you want to drink, then go for it. but if your going to effect5 others and drive, then thats where your rights end. same with smoking, if your in dinner at a resturant puffing away, theres kids and such around who your effecting. thats where it ends.

It would be nice to see smoking back in bars and bowling allys and stuff, atleast passed 9-10PM when the kids are in bed.

I personally enjoy a cheap cigar every now and then when just chillin with friends or even alone when cruising in the jeep. If I want to blow my money on it then thats my choice.

[hang&rattle]

Be careful not to categorize where you live as 'free'. This was the U.S., not what one might think of as free. When big Tobacco pays the gov't as much money as pharmaceutical and insurance your rights will be bought back, until then, no rights. Did you know if you mention God's name in the Hospital in Kalispell Mt, you get fired? It is an infringement on others rights. I have 3 friends working there struggling with this. Even if a patient asks them to pray with them, they can get fired. I miss my Copenhagen. I chewed for 20 years and haven't been the same since, but US Tobacco didn't lobby enought money to fight for Tobacco rights, that's the way it goes.

[dcreel]

if you dont want to buckle up, or wear a helmet, the dont. it does not effect those who want to wear them.

This though isn't true.. How many people at least in this part of the country crash with no helmet or seatbelt with no health insurance? Who do you think foots the bill for that? We do through higher taxes. It's not always cut and dried. I agree with everything else you have said. If people are smoking in an establishment I'm going into, I can just as easily turn around and leave. The problem with that is that the number of smokers compared to non smokers is a lot less than it used to be. By allowing smoking in their establishment they are taking the chance of losing a lot of revenue because of that choice. I can see both sides of the matter. But even as a smoker I didn't smoke around my children. So I won't go anywhere my children will be around smoking.

[playasridebmx]

with cigarettes going out like they are and becoming more and more illegal. weed is becoming more legal (somewhat) than its ever been.. maybe everyone should switch to weed instead of cigarettes, weed seems to have less negative effects anyway, i mean it helps glaucoma patients. and ive heard somewhere that it "MAY" help stimulate brain cell growth (ROFL) but ya i do smoke and ive been thinking about trying to quit again, i live in oklahoma and with all the casinos around we tend to get our cigarettes a little cheaper. up til about 2 years ago i was paying 20 bucks a carton now the same smokes are up to 35 a carton and its startin to hurt my wallet

[dcreel]

I quit smoking Jan 10th and I can tell you that life is waaaay better with that fking monkey off my back. Food and drink tastes 200% better, couple of days ago I ran/jogged 5 miles. Something I never could have done as a smoker.. Never. I've got energy now.. Life is much better.. Not to mention I don't smell like an ashtray. My kids are waaay proud of their mom and I for quitting. What's better than that?

I'm a former alcoholic/ drug addict so I won't be replacing cigarettes with weed any time soon. My opinion on weed is that it makes you stupid. I do see a use for it medicinally, the problem with that is the 99% of the other nippleheads abusing the system for their own recreational use. I can tell you I have a hard time remembering things, and getting a meaning out while speaking. But I did a lot of drugs growing up.

[JayBone]

I smoke & i like it, but i wish i never started also. (20 yrs now) It's a slow process over the last 20 yrs actually where banning things in America seems to be a popular past time for many. I see the bad side and i see the good side to no smoking. I am really glad i grew up during the time i have because too early or too late i'd probably hate many more things ha ha Smoking is 1 really bad way to waste money for sure, but so is TV, cell phones and a set of $1000 rims for your car.

I will be 40 soon and i hope to have quit the habit and drinking. I'd like to retire somewhat healthy at least for a short time anyway.

[dcreel]

I smoke & i like it, but i wish i never started also. (20 yrs now) It's a slow process over the last 20 yrs actually where banning things in America seems to be a popular past time for many. I see the bad side and i see the good side to no smoking. I am really glad i grew up during the time i have because too early or too late i'd probably hate many more things ha ha Smoking is 1 really bad way to waste money for sure, but so is TV, cell phones and a set of $1000 rims for your car.

I will be 40 soon and i hope to have quit the habit and drinking. I'd like to retire somewhat healthy at least for a short time anyway.

I just turned 40 in March and I agree.. My brain still thinks I'm 19 but my body is having one hell of a time keeping up... I agree with the tv, cell phones, and rims... I'd love to raise my kids on a mountain in Idaho..

[yooperman]

RPM has a good points and once i read yours dcreel good point as well i never thought of it that way, and the bad part about that it isnt all the unisured people because i have been in that boat many times before at different jobs and the price for it i couldnt afford it, that was when i was younger now that i have grown up and have a family i would have it no matter how much it cost or what i had to do to get it. little off topic but anyways it isnt all of them there is a few poo bags who just play the system and dont make an effort to support them selves or there families they have us do it by being state case's lazy SOB'S. and another i appologize i get fired up by the poo bags who are to lazy and dont wanna work nothing i have was giving to me.

decreel your point is very valid but like RPM said it shouldnt be taken away its a choice,
I can just as easily turn around and leave if every one do that dcreel and not just the tabacco subject if society would just man it up and suck it about things and get over them unless there effecting them physical or emotionally not just annyoing them i feel society would be much better. So moany people whine and cry about big brother stepping and butting in our lives, but if some ones feelings get hurt oh boy where and who they run to thats right big brother, then things go to crap in a hand basket real fast.

hang&rattle you are right about the free thing, we have some freedoms here and some freedoms there but to say that we are FREE compared to many countries we are but were not. a few example in washington DC illegal to have guns unless thats a new type of freedom, in rattles instance and talk religion because the die hard bible bangers that believe different religons will be offended and you will loose your job. Cant say in god we trust in schools, the list can go on for ever these are just a few that popped to the top of my head. Yeah we have other freedoms that other countrys don't but more and more are getting taking away every day, there is a battle going on every day by the government they are fighting the constitution all the time lots of the people dont think to much about it but when its to late its to late. there is my rant lol AGAIN lol

[Mr_RPM]

Trying to make everyone happy is never going to work, Tolerance is something that needs to understood.
Not to beat another horse here, but to me smoking or drinking (responsibly) is no different the Gay marriage or owning fire arms (again, responsibly) or religion (of all sorts) or even riding 3 wheelers.

Just because you don't like it, does it really effect you THAT much? with some things or scenarios sometimes they do have a bigger effect to people.
But all in all, you dont have to agree to something to just simply be a man and tolerate it. get over it, stop wining and accept you can't always be happy.
lol, anyways Its how i feel. maybe I worded something poorly or used some bad subjects, but you see my point.

just because you dont like 3 wheelers and feel they are dangerous, shouldn't mean you can take them from others. your not forced to use 3 wheelers, let people decide for themselves if 3 wheelers are bad or not.

[Xpress]

I personally think it's a great idea, the whole banning smoking ordeal. I don't have asthma, but I have serious allergies when it comes to smoking tobacco products. First time I tried a cigar, I only got a few puffs into it before I realized that if I went any further, I'd be getting a free ride in an ambulance, and then my friends think they can come over to my place and blow their smoke all around. Just my $0.02....

[Xpress]

Smoking is 1 really bad way to waste money for sure, but so is TV, cell phones and a set of $1000 rims for your car.

Smoking is basically burning your money away, whereas buying stuff like a TV, Cell Phone, A set of $1000 rims, or THREE WHEELERS gives you a long term enjoyment, and it's not like they are just going to burn up, although I'm not saying that they CAN'T burn up...

[dcreel]

Trying to make everyone happy is never going to work, Tolerance is something that needs to understood.
Not to beat another horse here, but to me smoking or drinking (responsibly) is no different the Gay marriage or owning fire arms (again, responsibly) or religion (of all sorts) or even riding 3 wheelers.

Just because you don't like it, does it really effect you THAT much? with some things or scenarios sometimes they do have a bigger effect to people.
But all in all, you dont have to agree to something to just simply be a man and tolerate it. get over it, stop wining and accept you can't always be happy.
lol, anyways Its how i feel. maybe I worded something poorly or used some bad subjects, but you see my point.

just because you dont like 3 wheelers and feel they are dangerous, shouldn't mean you can take them from others. your not forced to use 3 wheelers, let people decide for themselves if 3 wheelers are bad or not.

I will agree with that 100% Most of my pet peeves can't be enforced with anything besides an @$$ whooping.. I hate people who walking into a convenience store or store spit a loogie, tobacco, or whatever on the concrete in front of the entrance doors to a business. That and littering make me want to throttle the life out of people.. People driving by my house throw out a whole McDonals dinner in my yard.. I've chased people down for that.

[250x]

This though isn't true.. How many people at least in this part of the country crash with no helmet or seatbelt with no health insurance? Who do you think foots the bill for that? We do through higher taxes. It's not always cut and dried. I agree with everything else you have said. If people are smoking in an establishment I'm going into, I can just as easily turn around and leave. The problem with that is that the number of smokers compared to non smokers is a lot less than it used to be. By allowing smoking in their establishment they are taking the chance of losing a lot of revenue because of that choice. I can see both sides of the matter. But even as a smoker I didn't smoke around my children. So I won't go anywhere my children will be around smoking.

for example, I am curious to know as how one would believe that by a rider not wearing a helmet and crashing costs the tax payers. The hospitals collection agencies do not go after the tax payers, they go after the patient whether he/she has insurance or not. I have been on a bike my entire adult life, and before that I raced MX. I FULLY believe that the helmet law should be optional. Furthermore, NO HELMET is deemed safe, and DOT helmets, if you read the testing results, claims that the helmet has held up to their testing is all, not deeming it road worthy or not. They truely have ZERO say in whether it will protect your head or not. Full face helmets kill more people than half helmets. They have an outstanding neck breaking feature built into everyone of them. imagine your neck snapping back from impact and a hardend bar slamming against your rear neck. I have been through this dispute in NY also working with a very large organization towards removing helmet laws. It should be a choice. I would only ever wear a lid on the highway, never locally just putsin out for smokes.

as far as smoking, thats the same thing. A bar or restaurant business now has to force the smokers outdoors. In a bar, it is a proven fact that most smoke after drinking, this is proof by being in bars, not by some BS paper that someone facaded or a petition signed by non smokers. We, as smokers, now have to go out doors to smoke so the non-smokers can sit in the bar. Why not the non-smokers have to go outside to "non-smoke" while the smokers sit in the bar with those who don't care either way like it has been for that past 50+ year or whatever.

I officially have no say, or choice, or rights, this is our nation, and we all have these lack-of-rights, equally.


sorry politics piss me off...lol

[dcreel]

As far as the insurance vs government money goes believe what you want. I have a few friends who work in the insurance industry who "hopefully" know a little about it. Secondly, anyone who thinks a head without a helmet is going to be in better shape after it hits the pavement than a head in a helmet is a fruit loop. Your opinion is duly noted..

For proof on the helmet issue you need not look any farther than Gary Busey who also thought helmet's should be optional, but after hitting a curb without his head and scrambling his brains, and losing years learning how to walk and feed himself again.. I'm amazed to say he has changed his opinion 180 degrees on the helmet debate. Choice is choice and I believe 100% in choice.. but when choice is held in higher regard than safety.... Do we have to look any further than Ronnie to see an answer to this one?

[250x]

no my point wasn't that we shouldn't wear helmets, just that it should be our choice. I do understand the dangers of no helmets, and I have lived in IL where it is not a law. And now in NY where it is. It isn't about outlawing helmets, simply allowing us the constitutional right of choice once again. I know hundreds who have died on bikes, all wearing helmets. and I know a few who have died from no helmets. Whenb you ride without one, your naturally become more safety oriented. The dangers in motorcycles comes from the riders and the unattentive idiots in cars not paying attention. And experienced rider has a very slim chance of an accident if you removed the idiots in cars who don't care, or don't pay attention. (Yes there are road hazards, but very very limited ones that actually effect it)

I too have some friends who are insurance agents, and they would be more than happy to tell you how they profit from ignorance of pushed government judgement on to we as insurance carriers.

debate only, not an argument dc.

[250x]

For proof on the helmet issue you need not look any farther than Gary Busey who also thought helmet's should be optional, but after hitting a curb without his head and scrambling his brains, and losing years learning how to walk and feed himself again.. I'm amazed to say he has changed his opinion 180 degrees on the helmet debate. Choice is choice and I believe 100% in choice.. but when choice is held in higher regard than safety.... Do we have to look any further than Ronnie to see an answer to this one?

one cannot judge the entire situation off of the minority of the results. I don't like ever knowing that someone has been seriously injured or killed, but this is something that is not going to change. We still are supposed to have the right of choice, and in a great number of things, we do not. On an ATV, I wouldn't be without a helmet unless pulling it out of the garage or loading it on a trailer. but that is my choice. I am patiently waiting for the day when we are only allowed to purchase certain color cars and trucks, or plant certain kinds and colors of flower in a pre-chosen home color. does it actually end ever? its only getting worse.

[dcreel]

no my point wasn't that we shouldn't wear helmets, just that it should be our choice. I do understand the dangers of no helmets, and I have lived in IL where it is not a law. And now in NY where it is. It isn't about outlawing helmets, simply allowing us the constitutional right of choice once again. I know hundreds who have died on bikes, all wearing helmets. and I know a few who have died from no helmets. Whenb you ride without one, your naturally become more safety oriented. The dangers in motorcycles comes from the riders and the unattentive idiots in cars not paying attention. And experienced rider has a very slim chance of an accident if you removed the idiots in cars who don't care, or don't pay attention. (Yes there are road hazards, but very very limited ones that actually effect it)

I too have some friends who are insurance agents, and they would be more than happy to tell you how they profit from ignorance of pushed government judgement on to we as insurance carriers.

debate only, not an argument dc.

I'm with you now.. I believe in choice as well.. I would have to admit to riding on the highway without a helmet as well a time or two. As far as the insurance info.. I probably over stepped my bounds on that speaking about things I have heard instead of things I know about. I'm too old to argue on the internet.. :lol:

[hang&rattle]

Holy chit, I actually agree with Xpress's reasoning here, although I don't particularly care for him. But he has my point of fact exactly. How do I justify spending thousand$ on 3-wheelers?, I quit chewing, drinking, stopping and getting an espresso every morning, and eating lunch out. It saves me about $4,000+ a year. I have the right to spend that on hobbie's. That's what the anchor did to me. Chewing: $4.00/day, Coffee:$3.00/day, lunch:$5.00/day Brew:(through monthly average)$2.00 or so a day. (didn't always eat out or drink consistantly, but never went without a Copenhagen in my lip). So 3-wheelers is a good way to spend the cash IMO.

[ironchop]

golden rule: do as you will as long as it doesn`t hurt others

Taxpayers footing the bill for smokers and uninsured riders is the kind of BS that they feed you to make you vote for tighter restrictions.....just as if it were ATV`s on the chopping block of legislation....ridiculous and unfounded (my wife and friend both work in hospital administration).....First thing, DO NOT believe all that you hear on the news....they aren`t accountable for spewing lies, so listener beware.....the only reason Health providers want to do away with smoking and not wearing helmets and seatbelts is because of those who are hurt from those endeavors AND don`t have insurance cost them tidy profits.....should you be insured, they have no qualms about what dumbshit you may choose to do because they will get PAID in the end and the more money they make, the better.

Truth is (straight from my health insurer) that the medical industry is BIG BUSINESS and is run by CEO`s and NOT medical professionals because PROFIT is the bottom line.....When you are fed the typical "smokers kill everyone" it`s nothing more than an excuse to charge the consumer more citing rising costs in medical care and prescription meds as the reason they anally rape you at any chance.....Hospitals could not afford to run should they actually be LOSING money. As for "taxpayer subsidized hospitals".....check around on the net and see how many hospitals are private and how many are publically funded and you`ll not be as naive anymore....legislation is sponsored by folks who hate the smeel of smoke and see a way to force their ideals on everyone else. Legislators have no problem sponsoring these bills thru to the Pres because they can focus on the "scourge of smoking" rather than fix ANY of the REAL problems our country has been facing....merely a distraction from the REAL work

I am tired of everyone pointing fingers at those who smoke as the reason health care is so expensive ....truth is PROFIT is why costs keep rising.

I was a smoker for 20 yrs and it was the dumbest thing I ever did but I don`t smoke in an enclosed car with my kids and for the most part they weren`t present for my smoking.

True Story:

In 12/07 I was sitting in OHR from an Open heart operation....due to genetic reasons and NOT from smoking or bad lifestyle choices. A nurse who happened to weigh 350 lbs plus was running her mouth to a doctor in OHR about how sher just got her premiums raised "due to the smokers costing the health industry so much money" and on and on.......while stuffing a Little Debbie in her piehole. Well I was loaded on Darvocets and PISSED so I spoke up and said "You want cigarretttes outlawed,huh?" to which she replied "yes, their killing all of us and costing us money."

Calmly but loudly enough for ALL present to hear I said, "I want Big Macs outlawed then if smoking is to be banned."

She asked "why is that?"

I said " Because I`m tired of all the fatasses stuffing their faces with fattening products that cause heart disease and diabetes which raises my premiums every year and if it`s good for smokers, it`s good for fat folks like yourself. Stop costing me money and put that twinkie down."

I`m that kind of dick....I point out the hipocrisy in the way people think....as long as it doesn`t affect their personal freedoms, then they have no problem jumping on the latest bandwagon of lies to roll down the street and I`m not far behind to point out the futility and total lack of reason in their logic.

Go ahead and ban smoking.....in twenty years when your premiums are still going up, I am interested in seeing what they will blame next in order to boost their profit margins...and then you can explain to me again the reasoning behind this latest wave of propaganda

I`ll bet the opinions would be different should they talk of banning ATV`s as a way to reduce the "burden of health care on the taxpayer"

[Ironbnder]

In La we had a no helmet law for years but it was only if you had health insurance and you had to carry proof on you when you rode. That was the aurgument about the tax payers footing the bill. The pay hospitals only have to provide you with life saving care and then you would be shipped right to the state run hospital if you had no coverage. Our last governor did away with any choice we had and killed that law all together. Now you have to wear one regardless.

I have no problem with smokers except the ones that do not realize their butt is litter and throw them out the window and on the ground!

[dcreel]

Just to clear the air.. anything I said about smoking has nothing to do with insurance period. It has to do with dealing with it for almost 30 years. If you choose to smoke that's great, I choose to live longer without it. Regardless of what propaganda you think I've been fed I've had 2 family members die of lung cancer 1 of which still smoked with a hole in his throat. I could give 2 turds about what someone says if it looks like a spade to me.. to me it's a spade. These days smoking cigarettes is akin to sucking on the exhaust pipe of a car. I've tasted cigarettes and I've seen the filter when I'm done smoking a cigarette. Hell, I knew it was bad for me while I was doing it. There is a reason I quit 3 times in almost 30 years.

As for obesity.. It's the same thing as smoking. It's bad for you regardless of what anyone tells you. I'm 20 lbs over my weight since this surgery I had, and I'm quickly getting a handle on that.

I'm excited as hell that I can say that I don't smoke, I don't drink, and I spend as much time as possible with my kids. Because that is what it's all about. I hope my kids can learn from the stupidity I have abused and come out ahead of the game. Regardless of who says what.

[Brockey]

I personally wish they would ban smoking. Me being a smoker and having a hard time quiting would make it easier. I have quit before but fell back into the trap a few times now. We have parking lots we are not allowed to smoke in around here now, not even in your own car!

I have kids also, one with asthma so there is no smoking in the house or car. This helped me cut down the amount I smoke. The worst is, as silly as it may sound, I enjoy smoking. I wanna quit but don't want too???

[dcreel]

I personally wish they would ban smoking. Me being a smoker and having a hard time quiting would make it easier. I have quit before but fell back into the trap a few times now. We have parking lots we are not allowed to smoke in around here now, not even in your own car!

I have kids also, one with asthma so there is no smoking in the house or car. This helped me cut down the amount I smoke. The worst is, as silly as it may sound, I enjoy smoking. I wanna quit but don't want too???

Been there done that.. It seems like such a bummer to quit. I can tell you that once your mind gets over the withdrawals (about a week) your life will be nothing but the better. I know enough to promise you that much. Everything is better without being chained down to a pack of cigarettes.

[ironchop]

Just to clear the air.. anything I said about smoking has nothing to do with insurance period. It has to do with dealing with it for almost 30 years. If you choose to smoke that's great, I choose to live longer without it. Regardless of what propaganda you think I've been fed I've had 2 family members die of lung cancer 1 of which still smoked with a hole in his throat. I could give 2 turds about what someone says if it looks like a spade to me.. to me it's a spade. These days smoking cigarettes is akin to sucking on the exhaust pipe of a car. I've tasted cigarettes and I've seen the filter when I'm done smoking a cigarette. Hell, I knew it was bad for me while I was doing it. There is a reason I quit 3 times in almost 30 years.



Exactly Doug......you misunderstood my post. I`m not saying smoking is NOT a huge health risk or doesn`t kill.....I can tell a MAJOR difference in my stamina, taste buds, heart rate and BP, and my wallet since I quit....I`m not arguing it`s bad for you. I`m saying that folks thinking that smoking causes higher health care costs are misled....profit-mongering ceo`s that run hospitals and the entire health industry (largest growing industry in the US and it wouldn`t be growing if they were losing money) are pushing up the costs....NOT people with lack of healthcare behaving badly....HTF did you get yourself all pissed from my post? It wasn`t about you.....and speaking of cars....funny thing is non-smokers drive around all day in cars like the rest of us screwing the air quality on a much grander scale than the smoking but I don`t see masses rushing down to buy electric cars.....seems acceptable to them for me to smell their tailpipe and breathe the air but not ok for them to smell my smoking.....wanna try and tell me car exhaust doesn`t cause cancer? I`m cocked and ready for that one.

I don`t care for tailpipe legislation either.....but the arguments used for upholding a smoking ban are a bit hypocritical

Taxpayers never complain when their money is wasted so much more often in so many other ways (sending cash to every third world economy the world over) but point the finger at another American and the masses start drooling like wolves.

I can`t wait until smoking is gone like a Do-do bird and people still get cancer.....who they gonna blame it on then?

[yooperman]

i dont smoke, but i chew, i understand the health risks of it but its my choice. thats what were loosing nowadays is our right to choose, yeah health wise it would be healthier to ban it but when and where does it end? i dont know why this news article has me so fired up usually the news doesnt get me to fired up, but this article got me roaring lol its not the making it a smoke free work zone part its the not hiring people because they use tobacco part that I think is BS yeah yeah i know they can higher who they want but that would be like if i owned my own company and wouldnt hire the handicap or so forth with simular problems because they would raise my premuims. Its a different case but same scenario it would fly for a second.

[ironchop]

Been there done that.. It seems like such a bummer to quit. I can tell you that once your mind gets over the withdrawals (about a week) your life will be nothing but the better. I know enough to promise you that much. Everything is better without being chained down to a pack of cigarettes.

I`ll second that.....the difference in how you feel is AMAZING to say the least

[dcreel]

I can`t wait until smoking is gone like a Do-do bird and people still get cancer.....who they gonna blame it on then?

Air quality...

[ironchop]

LMAO^^^^^^ but you are absolutely right

you realize I`m not arguing pro-smoking, right.....cuz there is no argument for that.

I`m am just arguing anti-lying-to-the-public about the taxpayer footing the bill for smokers. ...Or smokers being to blame for healthcare costs...

actually my insurance agent is now blaming the folks who go to the doc everytime they get a sniffle or want a pill or attention as the reason for rising healthcare costs....last year he blamed the pharmacuetical companies lavish spending by drug salesmen on doctor lobbying as the reason....they change the game every year

[dcreel]

i dont smoke, but i chew, i understand the health risks of it but its my choice. thats what were loosing nowadays is our right to choose, yeah health wise it would be healthier to ban it but when and where does it end? i dont know why this news article has me so fired up usually the news doesnt get me to fired up, but this article got me roaring lol its not the making it a smoke free work zone part its the not hiring people because they use tobacco part that I think is BS yeah yeah i know they can higher who they want but that would be like if i owned my own company and wouldnt hire the handicap or so forth with simular problems because they would raise my premuims. Its a different case but same scenario it would fly for a second.

I see your point and I see theirs. But if I had the opportunity to hire one of two equally skilled people one being a smoker and the other a non smoker, I would hire the non smoker all day long and twice on sunday. Less breaks, less trash, and possibly less sick days.

[yooperman]

that is a very good point dcreel but that isnt always true either though because i know lots of non smokers that are out sick more then smokers, i know smokers that can work cirles around non smokers and i also know smokers that are out more then non smokers and so forth. that scenerio is simular to what is seen lots in the work force nowadays with people with college degree's and once again not all of them, nowadays that peice of paper means alots if some one a degree in i'll say auto repair and a another person doesnt have a college degree but has twice the experiance then he does applies for the the say same job. the ODDS are the guys with the degree is going to get the because of that peice of paper, even though he only knows the basic and the other guys knows twice as he does in that feild.

dcreel i'm not bashing ya ok buddy just discussing lol or anybody else thats posted in this thread i think every on has very good points. Just in the past i never paid attention to all this kind of stuff or gave a rats hind end, but after i got deployed i started to pay attention to it more and now all this type of stuff interests me and i want to know whats going on now. its like i am in school all over again i have to learn all this stuff lol.

[250x]

i wish i could get away from smoking. its sucks, no pun intended, but I want to quit. It just hasn't worked out in my favor.

[dcreel]

All you guys that have posted in this thread.. You are my buds and I value your opinion.. it's just that mine is the only one that is right.. :lol::rolleyes:

[yooperman]

now thats funny lol!!! this thread had more post then i was expecting lol usually mine only have like 4 or 5 post lol

[dcreel]

Keep on Rockin in the free world..

[Mr_RPM]

posts like this are my favorite, i find myself bored with trikesylvania section and the same question.
the open forum is a good time, randomness at its best, good group of people here. I always learn a ton and not just about 3 wheelers.

[250x]

yup dc, i didn't want what i had said earlier read in the wrong way, i was debating is all. Im serious guys, give me some poin ters on quitting. I have tried quite a few things now, and haven't had much success. Nicatol, Chantix, LifeLine, elec ciggy, etc etc etc blah blah blah. I don't smoke as much as I used to, 1/2 pk a day, but my son has asthma, so its very important to me to quit. any other things tried that have worked?

[dcreel]

I've used Smoke Away to quit once for 3 years, I quit cold turkey for almost 3 years, and this time I quit the morning I had my guts cut out. lol. I guess I woke up from the surgery a non smoker. It's all in your mind. Just say no more. It's going to suck @$$ but it will be worth it in the long run for sure. The wife tried Chantix too and had suicidal dreams while on it. The wife quit 3 days after I did while I was still in the hospital. We're doing great with it.

You can get Smoke Away at Wal-Mart. Just try to stay busy. Lifting weights helps you to quit. So does drinking a lot of water.

[JayBone]

I'd like to simplify my post on the TV, Cell phone & $1000 rims. It's about instant gadification. Those things and many other things we buy and for whatever the reasons are short lived. Xpress brought up a good point so i thought i had to simplify it better. Plus age is a factor.

[trikenut3]

Funny thing . You ever notice that in about every movie from the 50's & 60's almost everybody smoked ? I come from 2 parents that were pretty much chain smokers but , I don't smoke myself . I do believe it caused my sinus problems growing up in a 2 smoker home . I used to chew and it was the hardest thing to give it up but I did it for my health first , and then my anticipation of having kids . I'm surprised by the regulations of smoking because this is supposed to be a free country . I think people should have a right to choose as long as what you do doesn't infringe on someone else . It is nice to be a non-smoker and go into a restaurant that is smoke free . I do agree with the bar scene . I play a lot of pool and people smoke ( well , used to ) in the pool halls and I think that is just part of the package . I was making a choice to go in to play pool . I think all this regulation is being prejudice toward smokers ; they should have rights too . As far as work goes ; maybe it's the folks that apply for a job with me but the smokers always complain I'm setting too fast of a pace ; they take more breaks ; and get slower as the day goes on . I don't think it's as much physical as it is the emotional link to the habit itself . Most tell me the craving gets to them however ; 2 have quit smoking from working with me because they forget about the habit by staying busy and all my clients have smoke free properties so they had to stop regardless . Awesome topic for a trike site !!

[350XJEDI]

:wondering I wonder what they will ban after tobbacco , maybe hamburgers ,or salt wait how abuot opinions ! I will choose for myself what i want to do and they can FO !!!:naughty:

[yooperman]

I am with ya there glamy thats why i prettys much stick to my self and my family, and a slim few of the people my age, the FEW people I do hang out with and talk to are older then me. Less of the BS to deal with, and granted I am only 26 yrs old but i think i more grown up then my age i have to thank my wife for that lol. I am married have a kid and in the process of buying my second house, i am in the military i have been deployed to combat zone, and i have been busting my rump since i have been 16 yrs old. Granted I am like every one else though i went through my crazy younger days who hasn't, but even in my wild days I still made it to work on time never later and i had to be almost dead to miss a day of work, that is one thing i can say i have always had and will never loose.

Because your reputation is the only thing you have in life that actually worth something, because if you loose your good reputation it will travel fast and will be very hard if even possible to get it back, I have a good reputation and a very good work reputation i dont do anything that puts my reputation on the line. You could be college eduacated and have years and years of experiance and would be a great asset to a company in what feild it is in, BUT if you have bad reputation you will have a hard time getting that job if you get it, if your lucky enough to get the job it will not take long for the company to find/figure it out fast. they will either warn you and give you a chance to change or just replace you, yeah yeah there is laws against that but there are ways around them i have seen it. The point i am trying to make is your reputation is the most valuable thing a person can have.

Granted i am only 26 yrs old but this generation nowadays is a joke!!! even compared to my generation and granted mine wasnt the best either. these younger generation nowadays dont have no work ethic, and don't know what it means to have to work for there stuff every thing is handed to them. There is no respect these days, most of them dont even know what a true full hard days of work is to where your actually beat when you get home. And talk about whiners, big cry babies crying about everything that one drives me nuts, when i would hear some one crying about working a 8 hour shift i would laph at them and say please suck it up. The respect and common curtesy is the one that see the most and almost always the younger generations, this one really started sticking out to me once i joined the service. The little things that makes me want to light people up and put them in there place lol, for example people wearing there hats inside and or at the table while eating a meal, and having manners while talking to people like saying yes sir, yes mam, please, thank you, and your welcome. This is another one i see lots its another common curtesy thing again holding the door for some one, i can go on and on lol.

I have to disagree with you on this statement to a point trikenut3
but the smokers always complain I'm setting too fast of a pace ; they take more breaks ; and get slower as the day goes on. I am not saying it is totally wrong. But both smokers and Non-smokers can be put into this catagory, I have seen both types of people in this catagory, I use to smoke for many years havent smoked in years now i didnt have to take more breaks or slow down as the day went on compared to the non smokers did. Even when i smoked a pack a day there were lots of non smokers that i could work circles around, then i know other smokers gould go stronger and longer then non-smokers and vise verses i know non-smokers that can out do smokers. It is hard to put smokers into that catagory because every person is different on how it effects them. your not completely wrong just not completed right, it is just to hard to catagorize this group like that because every instance is different, and lots of it can come to play on a person work ethic.

[trikenut3]

yooperman ; not starting anything but you need to go re-read part of my sentence . If you would have posted the whole sentence of mine that you quoted it would have read " maybe it's the folks that apply for a job with me ................. " . I didn't catagorize smokers as a whole .

[yooperman]

its all good man i totally missed that word "me" actually, thats my bad i appologize to ya.

[NINJA]

RPM has a good points and once i read yours dcreel good point as well i never thought of it that way, and the bad part about that it isnt all the unisured people because i have been in that boat many times before at different jobs and the price for it i couldnt afford it, that was when i was younger now that i have grown up and have a family i would have it no matter how much it cost or what i had to do to get it. little off topic but anyways it isnt all of them there is a few poo bags who just play the system and dont make an effort to support them selves or there families they have us do it by being state case's lazy SOB'S. and another i appologize i get fired up by the poo bags who are to lazy and dont wanna work nothing i have was giving to me.

decreel your point is very valid but like RPM said it shouldnt be taken away its a choice, if every one do that dcreel and not just the tabacco subject if society would just man it up and suck it about things and get over them unless there effecting them physical or emotionally not just annyoing them i feel society would be much better. So moany people whine and cry about big brother stepping and butting in our lives, but if some ones feelings get hurt oh boy where and who they run to thats right big brother, then things go to crap in a hand basket real fast.

hang&rattle you are right about the free thing, we have some freedoms here and some freedoms there but to say that we are FREE compared to many countries we are but were not. a few example in washington DC illegal to have guns unless thats a new type of freedom, in rattles instance and talk religion because the die hard bible bangers that believe different religons will be offended and you will loose your job. Cant say in god we trust in schools, the list can go on for ever these are just a few that popped to the top of my head. Yeah we have other freedoms that other countrys don't but more and more are getting taking away every day, there is a battle going on every day by the government they are fighting the constitution all the time lots of the people dont think to much about it but when its to late its to late. there is my rant lol AGAIN lol

In this country, there is a war going on for your mind.

[NINJA]

LMFAO! Glamy, you will forever be in my "cool-book". You were by far one of the most interesting people I met out at the last ride. Keep on trikin' brotha!
BTW, I'd give Palin a pearl necklace, I mean really she's begging for it:lol:

[Jt50969]

I love my Copenhagen I'll chew till the day I die or my lip falls off lmao! I started chewin when I was 11 I'm 19 now I've chewed for 8 years and I don't care what people say or think I am who I am if you don't like the fact I chew and smoke cigars then don't be around me or pay attention to me mind your own business or you'll get a face arrangement not tryin to sound cocky but people should really Ming their own personal business not everyone else!

[dcreel]

I love my Copenhagen I'll chew till the day I die or my lip falls off lmao! I started chewin when I was 11 I'm 19 now I've chewed for 8 years and I don't care what people say or think I am who I am if you don't like the fact I chew and smoke cigars then don't be around me or pay attention to me mind your own business or you'll get a face arrangement not tryin to sound cocky but people should really Ming their own personal business not everyone else!

Kids, you gotta love 'em :lol:

[JayBone]

jt50969,

Did you just get done watching Rocky or Rambo then send your post. ha ha When i read that it seemed like after a war of fight movie everyone comes out of the theater ready to kick butt.

Just bust'in. Not looking for a face arrangement or anything. I just thought "face arrangement" was a funny saying. A guy i worked with had a saying: I'll snap your neck! When we would get him really PO'd.....We always got a kick out of that.

[HuffieVA]

I love my Copenhagen I'll chew till the day I die or my lip falls off lmao! I started chewin when I was 11 I'm 19 now I've chewed for 8 years and I don't care what people say or think I am who I am if you don't like the fact I chew and smoke cigars then don't be around me or pay attention to me mind your own business or you'll get a face arrangement not tryin to sound cocky but people should really Ming their own personal business not everyone else!

Well, I was tryin my best to Ming my own thing, but Ill risk a face arrangement just to put your wet ears in their place...

I started chewing "Happy Days" (don't worry it actually existed but they took it off the market about 10 years before you dad talked your mom into what led to your existence) when i was in 4'th grade gradually progressed to Copenhagen and eventually by the time I got to High School I started smoking (basically because you were allowed to smoke in school but snuff was frowned on) so I'm basically out about 100K and some teeth, and as a bonus I have this delightful morning cough that's just beautiful, ya just cant beat it... But hay you know what you want, after all your 19 and you've already got our cancer picked out, I will tell you that with your cockiness you likely wont ever have to worry about rotten teeth, I'm sure that with your attitude, someones gonna take care of those Chiclets for you long before the decay starts in...:D

[yooperman]

oh man you guys better becareful treading on thin ice before a face arrangment lol, it sure has been a long time since the last time i heard that saying lol. I think he misunderstand the main point that i was trying to reach when i posted up this article, but thats just my opinion though.

[tri again]

ok, back to quitting tobacco.
I got the wife a nice silver flute.
She played in high school and it got stolen.

Well, now, when she wants to smoke, she'll grab the
flute and play it for a minute or 2 before she lights up.
Soon she'll play for 10 then 20 and hopefully 30 min and forget about the
smokes.

They say anything that breaks the patterns.
Don't keep them in your shirt pocket for instance.
Keep 'em in the freezer.

Only smoke out by the garbage cans.
That kinda thing.

I understand addiction. They all seem to be powered and triggered
by patterns.
People who have quit heroine say that tobacco is far more difficult.

But then, like old dad, just got pissed enough to throw out an almost full pack
and never bought any more.

[JayBone]

DRJOE

Cocaine is a hell of a drug!!!

[tri again]

DRJOE

Cocaine is a hell of a drug!!!

Now THAT one usually negates the effects of alcohol, so instead of one beer,
one case is not enough. Chainsmoking also has no effect.
Most commonly amplifies the weakness in heart conduction problems with the first symptom
of flatline. Defib May work...or not.

I worked 11 years for rockmediine, so we saw every combination of any
and everything on a regular basis.

It is the house medical for concerts so we really did see it all.
You could anticipate the problems we'd have by the artists/music.

Guns and roses, as crazy as it seems was very mellow...mostly heroine,
but also a lot of first time amatures.
I had one guy come off the table swinging because I shot him with narcan,
which neutralizes heroine almost immediately.
He was pissed because I ruined his 'goof'. He was in cardiac arrest.

G. Dead shows? almost never a problem. These people were good at what they did.
The exception was the amatures doing the wrong stuff for the first time...in a CROWD!

How come I can't spell amature?

Lollapallosa was different rap artists which is essentially
RIVAL GANGS in a fenced area....never a good idea.
That was heavy metal like guns and knives, bullet holes in cars etc

Country shows were most minor surgery intensive.
Broken teeth and lacerations (jack daniels)

Coke was prevalent in the bay area silicon valley.
"Our engineers work 80 hrs a week and sleep under their desks but we let them have
long hair and wear jeans to work."

Most people are convinced it was subsidized by the big electronics companies.

I personally am not all that fond of being awake in the first place.

Bottom line?
We rarely saw problems with a single drug.
If someone was flipping out, it's because they MIXED!

A little too high?
have a sip of johnny walker black and maybe a hit of pot, that will calm them down..

NOT!!!!!!!!!

They don't know if they're coming or going and they wind up in the crash tent
next to the ambulance parking.

One kid did 2 hits of ecstasy for his 18th birthday.
4 hours AFTER he died, his body temp was 106 degrees...microwaved from the inside out.

If I didn't have to go to work, I'd tell some more stories.

Any specific requests?

[JayBone]

For the love of god man. ha ha

[dcreel]

How about this weather? :lol:

[tri again]

For the love of god man. ha ha

hey where in north joisey?
Some areas up there are beautiful, like way up in the n.w. corner.
..and NOone believes that.
Wonder if it still is?

[tri again]

How about this weather? :lol:

I feel pretty special.
Loaded up with food and firewood, easily 'off grid' compatible
for at least 7-10 days.
200 gallons of hot water from the woodstove and another 300 or so
in pressurized storage, in addition to well pump generator that
I fire up once a month.

Sounds good until the house is 1/4 mile away upside down.

Just made a bug out box that I keep in the truck, but that could float away too.

I wonder if there really is ANY way to prepare.

[JayBone]

It's still country where i am. Everyone thinks of the Dirty Jersey Shore or Newark. I hate both of those areas. I'm 25 mins south of Miford Pa. 35 to 45 min east of the Deleware water gap Rt 80 exit.

Here is my back yard.

[tri again]

It's still country where i am. Everyone thinks of the Dirty Jersey Shore or Newark. I hate both of those areas. I'm 25 mins south of Miford Pa. 35 to 45 min east of the Deleware water gap Rt 80 exit.

Here is my back yard.


Yupp, that's the place to be.
Dad lived on Christian Hill rd in Milford for a few years.

Delaware is nice and wide and easy with a canoe.

Appalacian trail goes right thru there somewhere..from Maine to Georgia?

I worked at a ski area up near sussex county.
Great Gorge, I think, bought out by the Playboy Club international
which went broke.
Made snow and did promo photos of events.

Decided the west coast weather was better but the
country was just as beautiful so here I is.
Can't decide if I want to go skiing or to the beach this weekend.

The dunes might just hold the key.
NICE backyard!
Do you mow a little every day?
or 2x a week?
goats and horses?

[JayBone]

Here is a pic of my house. It sure didn't look as clean when i bought it. 8 yrs 22 days of improvements. The final step to being complete inside will be finished today. I haven't had window/door trim in years. haha

I know the Playboy club. I was younger though. It's call Moutain Creek now ( I think ). No more Action park or that stuff. Built a really sweet development up that way though. Some ares haven't changed, still the same since i was a kid myself.

I can catch the Appalacian trail within walking distance from me.

Always want to go to sand dunes. So far out where no one is around for a few hours just to chill out. Of course i would have to bring a toy to tear those dunes up.

[tri again]

Here is a pic of my house. It sure didn't look as clean when i bought it. 8 yrs 22 days of improvements. The final step to being complete inside will be finished today. I haven't had window/door trim in years. haha

I know the Playboy club. I was younger though. It's call Moutain Creek now ( I think ). No more Action park or that stuff. Built a really sweet development up that way though. Some ares haven't changed, still the same since i was a kid myself.

I can catch the Appalacian trail within walking distance from me.

Always want to go to sand dunes. So far out where no one is around for a few hours just to chill out. Of course i would have to bring a toy to tear those dunes up.

Beautiful!

I love the elevations and drainage.
I rent the house out and live in the barn so mine is in constant
remodel flux.
Lots of used lumber and doors, etc. but I can get away with it
since it's not a 'real' house.

Looks like you did it all the correct way.
Gutters and drainage, attic venting are the things that will make it last 100+ years.

Yeah, the dunes are a 3 dimensional dream.
Imagine being to go up 150 feet, like to the top of a tree and down the other side,
across the roof of your house, spin out in the driveway
and shoot up over the top of your tallest tree.
That's the best way I can describe it.

Wide open sand lake beds and sand trails along the top of ocean cliffs.

Dangerous even when careful. Not everyone honors the one way trails
with the blind corners however.

Funny too because sand drifts can build up a few feet while you're out there
so coming back the same way there can be a 4 foot drop that wasn't there an hour before.

Hard to see when all is flat and white.

This is way more relaxing than going to work.

[Bretmd94]

It is all about money.

I am surprised the tobacco companies have not paid off the government like the drug and oil companies have, to protect tobacco.

The politicians have split america in two and set us against each other. Meanwhile they slip in little bits into every bill that take away our freedoms just because they get paid under the table by large companies. They do this and we vote on it because we don't want the other side (democrat or republican) to win the vote.

It does not matter who is president. They really don't have the control. I am ready for some real change. I am ready for the Americans to rise up and take america back from the government.

[ironchop]

^^^^ Kate is HAWT!...... and thanks for the compliment ealier....most folks think I`m nuts

Yeah....confuse the masses with misinformation and most importantly, DISTRACTION!

who cares we`re going down the proverbial toilet? Did you see that judge is actually gonna make Lohan clean some toilets or something harsh? it`s what she deserves after violating probation 48 seperate times....and if she does it 26 more times......off to a weekend in jail for her!!!

[portland250r]

all i got to say is good luck, the government makes bank off cigarettes i dont think theyre going to let it happen. and to make matters worse there will be a lot of angry people having nicotine withdrawels. america sure likes to ban things.

[Chazz of Blades]

Doc,


I'd love to talk with you over the phone, i want to know if your conversations go the same way as your posts.


And that would be.....AWESOME!

[tri again]

Doc,


I'd love to talk with you over the phone, i want to know if your conversations go the same way as your posts.


And that would be.....AWESOME!

Yea sure.

What's the right way to post a ##?
is pm personal msg?
Not sure how to do that.

If this is not proper protocol, the moderators will delete it, right?
try 541 935 4 two zero 6

and I'll call you back since I have unlimited long
distance.
Just let me know when is a good time to call.

Medical advice and radiology consults are free
to all 3ww folks btw.