Pulley question for a 1983 ATC 200 Big Red

[cdriscollmeir]

I'm hoping someone can help me out. I bought a 1983 Honda big red 200e and the recoil was off when I bought it. When trying to reattach the pulley and recoil, I noticed the pulley doesn't fit the recoil. Where the knot is tied inside the recoil assembly causes me to need a smaller diameter pulley (not the knot itself, but actually the plastic piece where the knot sits). It appears that the diameter of this pulley is about 3 3/8 of an inch, and I need a pulley that is about 2 3/4 in diameter for it to fit inside the housing. I bought another pulley for a 1983 ATC 200 Big Red on ebay, and received the same one that I already had. The recoil assembly appears to be the right one for the 3 wheeler (will bolt right on, has the proper hole for the neutral indicator etc.) Perhaps the recoil is from a different three wheeler that needs a smaller pulley? I took it to my local honda dealership, but they were no help--other than telling me it wasn't the right piece. So I'm stuck. It's so bizarre that both the pulley I bought, and the one I had is supposed to be the right one for the model, but it doesn't match the recoil I have. Not sure if I have a 200, 200e, 200es Any ideas? I'll take some pictures and add them tonight. Really want to get this thing buttoned up!

[muthey]

well the 200e has electric start, the es is shaft driven and has electric start and the regular 200 has chain and no electric start. I'm guessing the pulley you are talking about is what is called the drum. And if I am not mistaken the drums for the 200 in 83 were still metal with three metal ratchets that came out when it was pulled, not the plastic drum with one ratchet. so an easy way for us to tell is a picture of your flywheel which is the part that the pull start turns on your motor. I may be wrong but I don't believe they used the plastic drum till 1984 on the 200s, and others. If your flywheel has open notches then it takes the plastic drum, but if it has cutouts in a basket then it takes the metal drum. Is the recoil housing black or silver? black uses the plastic drum, silver uses the metal one. Good luck

[cdriscollmeir]

Thanks for the reply--I do have electric start, and believe it is shaft driven--just went to the shop to take pics but it was locked up so I'll get some pics of the actual parts in question tomorrow. Here's a pic (if this works) of the pulley that I had, and one that I bought--this is the piece that the diameter is too big on to fit inside the recoil assembly. I'll hit you back tomorrow--thanks, Chris

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[muthey]

that is the flywheel, and that is for the older style pullstart, so yours is probably a 200e, as the es has the newer style. you have the wrong pull start, if it has a plastic drum inside of it, however the metal drummed pull start has a decompression setup in it which is plastic, but you will see three jaws come out when you pull the cord. just wanted to let youy know about the decompression so you didn't get confused. if that is the one that came off of it it is the correct flywheel, and I haven't tried to convert to the newer style yet with mine. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Honda-200E-200-E-Big-Red-Pull-Start-assembly-/170749811755?pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item27c17b5c2b
this is the pull start you need look closely and you will see where the three ratchets come out.

[cdriscollmeir]

Thanks again for your help. I got some pictures that should make the problem more clear. If I understand you correctly, I have the wrong recoil for my trike. Sooo, my questions are, if I get the right flywheel for this pullstart, will it attach to my trike? That would be the least expensive option, or do I need a whole new recoil? I'm still not sure of my model--has electric start--don't know if its shaft driven or if there is a chain inside the housing--(see pic). Is there any way to tell what model this recoil might be from? There's a picture with the pull start actuated too, if that helps diagnose. Any help, or a link to the flywheel for this recoil would be greatly appreciated (even though I understand the plastic type wheel might not be able to bolt to this trike) Hit me back with any questions or if you need any more info. Thanks in advance!--Chris

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[Texaskev]

Your trike is an 83 200E. The pullstart is an 84 200 ES or 200M They will not work together.

[cdriscollmeir]

Thanks for the info--will any other recoil work on an 83 200E (185, 185s or earlier 200's) or do I have to track down the exact one for this year. . . Does anyone need a recoil for for an 83 200m?

[muthey]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-HONDA-ATC-200ES-200-ES-PULL-START-PULLEY-185-S-SX-/390187438076?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_100&vxp=mtr&hash=item5ad8fbcffc
that is a link to the fly wheel to that pull start, but as far as I know there is no way to swap that fly wheel to yours sorry you'll be buying a new pull start for it. also you have chain drive any 80-83 200 will fit and any of the 200s model pull starts. The 80-83 200 are just that no front suspension larger tires and split rear fenders. Your best bet is to buy that pull start that I found or wait until you can view the classifieds and find a member who is doing a part ou on your year and model or compatible version trike. I also wanted to add that the 185 and 185s pull start will work as well.

[vonlindheim]

my friend, no 185,200s, or 185s pull start parts will fit your engine. you have a 200e im guessing. 185 and 200s models have a diiferent outer case, different pulley, different everything :(

[cdriscollmeir]

Just to tie up the thread, the previous owner sold me the 1983 trike with a recoil from a 200m telling me he just hadn't gotten the gasket yet to zip it up. So the recoil pictured is from a 200m, while the pulley wheel/cage pictured was the right one for the 200e