atcrider89's ebay auctions

[Scootertrash]

I am going to post this up for our members to review and let you guys decide what’s going on with this guys auctions.

atcrider89 ( enterprise909 on ebay) likes to post his ebay links to his parts here and on .org. He starts a thread with parts for sale, then an hour later they’re on ebay. I’ve been watching his auctions because some of the bidding seems fishy. This is what I’ve found:

There are two bidders who seem to like atcrider89’s items. A LOT.
First there is “l***b”(100% bid history over 30 days), the second one is “p***p”(85% bid history over 30 days)
Both bidders never seem to win much and if they do their feedback numbers never increase, nor does atcrider89 receive any feedback from either bidder. Along with that, items these two have won end up back up for auction.

p***p has placed 42 bids on 16 items and only bids with 2 other sellers show up on the 30 day history:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=261069915913&aid=p***p&eu=oCqq5216UkC7EixYgIcuJXD1CLZrayl%2B&view=NONE&ssPageName=PageBidderProfileViewBids_None_ViewLink

p***p won the Cobra exhaust on July 2:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251097318821?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D251097318821%26_rdc%3 D1
It’s been relisted twice since then:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=261068284414
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=251117222699

l***b’s 30 day bidding history is 100% with atcrider89. His bid history is actually longer than 30 days since I started watching these auctions. Ebay only allows access to the previous 30 days. In the last 30 days l***b has placed 60 bids on 14 items, and until recently never seems to pull off a win, just barely getting eeked out by a different bidder.
l***b 30 day bid history:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=261068112816&aid=l***b&eu=DbVwqoXSWK%2FLjvMgCB%2BjWIRQVxEgJOoV&view=NONE&ssPageName=PageBidderProfileViewBids_None_ViewLink

Recently l***b won a couple items. This complete rear brake system:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261064085691
That was then relisted 2 days after l***b won it. It was won by a different bidder this time, but l***b was bidding on it again:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068116493

Also recently, l***b won the Coffman exhaust that atcrider89 had listed a couple of times, once allegedly because of a non paying bidder l***b bid on it when the alleged non payer did:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261063656621

l***b won it on the relist. (A 3WW member was the second highest bidder on this go around, and was sent a second chance offer by atcrider89, but declined. I’ll let him chime in if he wants, as to why he declined:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068112816

Yet the Coffman exhaust was relisted again, ending last night. This time p***p was bidding:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068112816
(http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068112816)

This item was won on the 19th, (p***p was a bidder):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261069915913

But was relisted Friday, p***p was a bidder again, but he won this time:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261069915913

1986 TRX 250R sold on July 19:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-TRX-250R-Quad-New-ESR-310-Kit-FMF-Pipe-New-Carb-BEAUTIFUL-/261067061648?pt=ATVs&hash=item3cc8cf3990
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261069915913)
Relisted Friday, with l***b bidding:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261073508731

All of his relists are the same parts, same pics, same description.

So if p***p won the Cobra exhaust and was a non paying bidder, causing atcrider89 to relist, why was p***p allowed to bid on these newer items?

Also, if l***b was the winning bidder on the Coffman exhaust and a non payer, why was he allowed to bid on more recent auctions like the TRX 250R? A much more expensive item?

Like I said, it’s up to you guys to decide. To me the two bidders, along with the relisting of items won by them seems suspect. I just don't want to see members be the victims of shill bidding.

[trikeman78]

Thats why,when I really want an item for cheap, I never bid till the last second.
What burns me more than that is when someone auctions an item, I win it for a steal, and then they come up with a cleaver way to back out of the deal.
Anyway thats enough proof for me never to bid or buy from that guy. Thanks for the heads up on that guy.

[bkm]

If you could look through my computer you would see my surprised face. <sarcasm.

[Flossyb20]

This seems like a banable offense here....I think the mods should dig a little deeper here, especially if he's trying to hock his crap here on the site.

[Mr. Clean]

He called out Howdy


You are correct!! This user has posted his stuff that he is selling in all the forums ( New Member, quad, Trikesylvania, ect ).

Howdy


Well what business is that of yours anyways?

In this thread.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/141472-Cobra-TRX-250R-Pipe-Great-Deal-Look!atcrider89


Which is why he got this next to his avatar yet people still ask him for parts.

"Help the site? I'm only here to sell stuff."

Shill bidding is for EBAY to sort out not the moderators on this forum. Even without trashes amazing sleuth work on ebay I would never buy anything based on his behaviour.

[JasonB]

damn. thats shady as hell

[Scootertrash]

This seems like a banable offense here....I think the mods should dig a little deeper here, especially if he's trying to hock his crap here on the site.

He just updated this thread looking for buyers for more parts:
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/145815-83-85-Honda-200x-Parts-Anything-You-Need-LOOK!

They'll be on ebay by the end of the week if not sooner.

[HONDA_ATC_FREAK]

I just notices the p**p one last night i always new he used shill bidders but i never dug to find it.

[Howdy]

Shill bidding is for EBAY to sort out not the moderators on this forum. Even without trashes amazing sleuth work on ebay I would never buy anything based on his behaviour.

If you read the rules we reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/65055-The-RULES?p=467352#post467352


In addition to all of that, the moderators reserve the right to at any time they determine so, to suspend a users account without notice even though they may not have "technically" broken the rules. Yes, that means we can single you out. However we will not be doing so unless you have proven numerous times your sole or primary reason being here is to cause trouble or incite anger among the other members. We have the capabilities of keeping track of a users past offenses and their track record will determine their punishment. It is unlikely all members will receive the same type of suspension or punishment as each case is treated individually. Punishments range from an account suspension of a few days, to permanently banning your account from use. If your found to be posting under a duplicate account or registering a new account while a current ban is pending, your "new" name will be deleted and suspension time will be added to your old account. If after you've been banned you re-register just to make a post that says "*Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* you!" to the moderators you'll be a lot less likely to come back in good standings then you would be if you had just sent a simple apology PM or email. We are not un-reasonable people, courtesy goes a long way.



atcrider89
What do you have to say in your defense?
We are all waiting!!!


Howdy

[dcreel]

I've been waiting for you guys to ban him for a long time.. Seems like he's using the site for his own benefit, and not the benefit of the whole..

The bad thing about him using the site is that now (almost) everyone that buys trike parts on Ebay knows he shill bids and runs scams on his Ebay auctions.

I think they call that "sh!tting where you eat" :D

And Scootertrash.. Thanks for the legwork on this one.. :beer

[dcreel]

Hahaha... Took me a while to add it up.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/125873-EBAY-Buyer-Beware-enterprise909

[Blown 331]

Nice detective work.


Hahaha... Took me a while to add it up.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/125873-EBAY-Buyer-Beware-enterprise909

And holy crap, its been going on for this long. Wow.

[Scootertrash]

I've been waiting for you guys to ban him for a long time.. Seems like he's using the site for his own benefit, and not the benefit of the whole..

The bad thing about him using the site is that now (almost) everyone that buys trike parts on Ebay knows he shill bids and runs scams on his Ebay auctions.

I think they call that "sh!tting where you eat" :D

And Scootertrash.. Thanks for the legwork on this one.. :beer

No Problem! :beer



Hahaha... Took me a while to add it up.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...-enterprise909

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/shocked.gif (http://www.smileyvault.com/)

I never saw that before!! This guy has been around for awhile.

Maybe he ended this auction so he could re-read this book he had listed for quite some time. You know, brush up on techniques and stuff??:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Criminological-Theory-by-Stephen-G-Tibbetts-2011-Paperback-/251087222796?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item3a75f6f80c

151685

I'm guessin he's seen this thread, but won't stop in:

atcrider89 atcrider89 is offline
Help the site? I'm only here to sell stuff.

Last Activity
07-30-2012 02:09 PM

[Flossyb20]

Shill bidding is for EBAY to sort out not the moderators on this forum. Even without trashes amazing sleuth work on ebay I would never buy anything based on his behaviour. I would agree, but it seems he's using this website as a place to find his victims.....

[Blown 331]

Holy crap, thats hilarious!

[Howdy]

Holy crap, thats hilarious!
Yes it is.

I think a couple custom usernames are in order. ;)
Howdy

[Mr. Clean]

If you read the rules we reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/65055-The-RULES?p=467352#post467352


Howdy

I have read the rules and refer to them on a regular basis. I never said you could not ban him for any reason, never even discussed the topic.

I just suggested that the 3ww moderators "should" not be investigating EBAY shill bidding. You can look at all the data you want but have no access to the back end of EBAY. How do you prove without a doubt that he is without having access to the records, but does it matter as you already state you can ban him.

If you want to ban him have at it, I wont do business with him anyway and this is YOUR site.

[shortline10]

Sad !
What happen to morals ?

[Mr. Clean]

I would agree, but it seems he's using this website as a place to find his victims.....

His feedback thread. All positive at this point. However I think we can see this guy is shady and should be dealt with by the moderators.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/143021-feedback-for-atcrider89?highlight=atcrider89

[Howdy]

Mr Clean, I am waiting on his reply to this thread. No reply soon = auto ban.
Howdy

[bkm]

I don't know if I would call him a scammer due to the fact that I don't think he has stolen any $$ from anyone. I would however call him greedy and dishonest and 9 times out of 10 those two attributes lead to thievery at some point and time. This just might be a case of cut the head off of the snake before it bites.

[Scootertrash]

I don't know if I would call him a scammer due to the fact that I don't think he has stolen any $$ from anyone. I would however call him greedy and dishonest and 9 times out of 10 those two attributes lead to thievery at some point and time. This just might be a case of cut the head off of the snake before it bites.

The problem with shill bidding is that the seller has someone, or is himself, bidding up the price of an item to get more money than what it may have ended for if the "fake" bidder was not bidding. So he is playing off of the other bidder(s) emotions on how bad they may want that particular item. If "ATCBob" has been looking for, oh, let's say a Coffman exhaust (to use one of atcriders actual items) which don't come up for auction very often, he may get sucked in by the sellers shill bidders into paying more than it actually would have sold for. So technically you could say he is stealing money by scamming ATCBob into thinking a "real" bidder is upping the price when in fact it's the seller scamming "ATCBob" with fake bids to get him to pay more. So yea, it's scamming ;)

[dcreel]

If you run an ebay auction for something you don't have, or sold to someone off ebay for more money.. I would call that a scam. If you are shill bidding all of your auctions as a general rule.. I would also call that a scam.

The nigerians sending random e-mails to people hoping someone is stupid enough to bite.. The nigerian may not make any money (hopefully), but it's still a scam.

[bkm]

I guess i should have clarified and don't think for a second I'm taking up for the guy. I'm talking about the 3ww side of things. I can point out several of the big ATC parts sellers on ebay that shill bid. Is it right, hell no, but until ebay starts cracking down on these guys it will continue. Ebay breeds evil business practices in the name of the almighty dollar and could care less. What I meant as far as scammer, from what I know he has never taken someones $$ on here and stiffed them.

I've wanted to call his as$ out for a long time about how he pimps his parts on here and does't contribute a damn thing, but I didn't feel like getting into a pissing contest over something that should be handled by a mod.

[Scootertrash]

Don't worry BKM, I didn't think you were standing up for him. ;)

[bkm]

If you run an ebay auction for something you don't have, or sold to someone off ebay for more money.. I would call that a scam. If you are shill bidding all of your auctions as a general rule.. I would also call that a scam.

The nigerians sending random e-mails to people hoping someone is stupid enough to bite.. The nigerian may not make any money (hopefully), but it's still a scam.Doug I should have been clearer and stated that on here in the 3ww classifieds, not ebay. I think its pretty safe to say he's one shady dude no matter how you slice it.

[200x350xtriz250]

Also recently, l***b won the Coffman exhaust that atcrider89 had listed a couple of times, once allegedly because of a non paying bidder l***b bid on it when the alleged non payer did:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261063656621

l***b won it on the relist. (A 3WW member was the second highest bidder on this go around, and was sent a second chance offer by atcrider89, but declined. I’ll let him chime in if he wants, as to why he declined:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068112816

Yet the Coffman exhaust was relisted again, ending last night. This time p***p was bidding:
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068112816
(http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p4340.l2565&rt=nc&item=261068112816)

I was the 3ww member scootertrash mentioned above. I was the 3rd highest bidder the first time, only outbid by 2 ebayers with 0 feedback 1 of which was l***b. If you cancel the bids of the 0 feedbackers I would have won at $51 not $100 and not my max bid of $70.01.

I was the second highest bidder for round 2 losing only to l***b. If you cancel l***b bids, I would have won at $21. I was sent a second chance offer this time around at my max bid of $70.01. I passed in part because the only reason it went past my max bid is because the seller bid on it himself.

I was the third highest bidder for round 3 being beaten by what seems to be a legit buyer and p***p - high bid $70 p***p bid $69. It seems to me that this was set up by the seller for me to win at the $70.01 I had bid the previous 2 times, good for him that someone else stepped in to go that high because I was not going to.

You may ask why bid on an item after it has been relisted by a shady seller - in part it was to keep a better eye on what was going on. Scootertrash had emailed me after round 1 if I remember right and gave me a heads up on the research he had done at that point and I wanted to see what would happen. I did attempt to report all this to ebay, but they don't make it very easy to report shill bidding - at least not that I found. As another member mentioned, perhaps no one here has been ripped off, but had I accepted the second chance offer at $70.01 instead of the $21 I should have won it at, that's about $50 extra out of my pocket. I know, I know, if ifs and butts were candy and nuts......at a minimum it seems like attempted rip off.

[ONEBAD350X]

good post info. I have been watching that stuff too.

[Scootertrash]

He's been here, but hasn't stopped by this thread. At least not to make a post:

atcrider89 atcrider89 is offline
Help the site? I'm only here to sell stuff via shill bidding.


Last Activity
07-30-2012 08:16 PM

He has to know about it since there are posts in his other parts thread in the classifieds about this one.

I also reported it to ebay, but as 200x350xtriz250 posted, it's a pain in the a** to do it. They want you to inform them during the auction, but the pattern doesn't/didn't show up until after several auctions for this guy. Hopefully since a couple of us reported it they'll look at his past auctions bid history

[Howdy]

I was the 3ww member scootertrash mentioned above. I was the 3rd highest bidder the first time, only outbid by 2 ebayers with 0 feedback 1 of which was l***b. If you cancel the bids of the 0 feedbackers I would have won at $51 not $100 and not my max bid of $70.01.

I was the second highest bidder for round 2 losing only to l***b. If you cancel l***b bids, I would have won at $21. I was sent a second chance offer this time around at my max bid of $70.01. I passed in part because the only reason it went past my max bid is because the seller bid on it himself.

I was the third highest bidder for round 3 being beaten by what seems to be a legit buyer and p***p - high bid $70 p***p bid $69. It seems to me that this was set up by the seller for me to win at the $70.01 I had bid the previous 2 times, good for him that someone else stepped in to go that high because I was not going to.

You may ask why bid on an item after it has been relisted by a shady seller - in part it was to keep a better eye on what was going on. Scootertrash had emailed me after round 1 if I remember right and gave me a heads up on the research he had done at that point and I wanted to see what would happen. I did attempt to report all this to ebay, but they don't make it very easy to report shill bidding - at least not that I found. As another member mentioned, perhaps no one here has been ripped off, but had I accepted the second chance offer at $70.01 instead of the $21 I should have won it at, that's about $50 extra out of my pocket. I know, I know, if ifs and butts were candy and nuts......at a minimum it seems like attempted rip off.

I called ebay about this and I have also emailed a full copy with links to this thread. You have a few hoops to jump through to call them, but to email them use: rswebhelp@ebay.com . I used both methods to be 100% sure they have the info correct.


He's been here, but hasn't stopped by this thread. At least not to make a post:

atcrider89 atcrider89 is offline
Help the site? I'm only here to sell stuff via shill bidding.
Last Activity
07-30-2012 08:16 PM
He has to know about it since there are posts in his other parts thread in the classifieds about this one.

I also reported it to ebay, but as 200x350xtriz250 posted, it's a pain in the a** to do it. They want you to inform them during the auction, but the pattern doesn't/didn't show up until after several auctions for this guy. Hopefully since a couple of us reported it they'll look at his past auctions bid history

The timer is ticking. I seriously doubt he will reply.
Howdy

[atc007]

Good job Howdy. This is not just unethical. It is Illegal. Ebays reputation unfortunately precedes itself that they will only slap on the hand. It would really be nice to see someone like this brought to due process : ) !!

[atc007]

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/146625-atcrider89-update

[Howdy]

Good job Howdy. This is not just unethical. It is Illegal. Ebays reputation unfortunately precedes itself that they will only slap on the hand. It would really be nice to see someone like this brought to due process : ) !!

If anyone bought stuff from him via ebay and can prove he shill bidded the price up then they could file charges / sue this punk. Might be a lot of work for just a little money, but it would also give him a legal History of doing this and it would help any future people he tries to screw over.

At any rate he is no longer a active member of this site. I am hoping ebay goes back and charges him with all the FVF and listing fees. Plus boot him from ebay for good.
Howdy

[ezmoney1979]

Thanks for taking out the trash Howdy, we appreciate it. :beer

[rdlsz24]

Nice work guys. You could be part of the Super Sleuths (anybody that has kids that like Pooh will know them)

Rob

[Jason125m]

Nice investigation Scootertrash, i've been waiting for someone to get rid of this guy for a long time.

Jason.

[gus]

Wow I never knew 3ww had the power just to ban somebody just like that?but rules are rules and you can't by pass them. Thanks alot scootertrash For the very informative information! I will definitely not buy something from this guy. And thank you howdy for making the site clean and not filled with people like him!