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yamaha 250
11-26-2002, 10:30 PM
what do u guys think about the z400. the only thing i dont like about iut is that its 4 stroke!

OldSchoolin86
11-26-2002, 10:40 PM
Good machine. The price is right, great handling, plenty of power and it's a lot like the 400ex. Suzuki was just smart enough to go liquid.

200xer
11-27-2002, 02:40 AM
has anyone had problems with a 400ex overheating? And oil coolers will cool off a motor more than liquid will anyways.

But the Z looks nice to me.

Big Darn Mike C
11-27-2002, 03:47 AM
I have never heard a negative comment about the z 400

OldSchoolin86
11-28-2002, 09:49 AM
I'm a pretty heavy guy and I ride really hard. I've never had my 400ex over heat yet.

dogger
11-28-2002, 11:15 AM
200xer I can't see how a oil cooler cools off a engine better then liquid. if that were the case y are most the new spaort quads water cooled? oil cooler is made to cool down hte oil not the motor other wise your 400ex wouldn't have cooling fin's on the cylinder.

if your looking for a bad comment on the z400 ask trike how much it cost to fix his cases when his chain let loose on his. it wasn't a cheap little mishap.

OldSchoolin86
11-28-2002, 01:19 PM
I can't either. Why are you telling me this?

11-30-2002, 02:31 AM
it's fast and a good hill climber I wold say that is in the top five-Z400,banshee,raptor,warrior,blaster.

Dirtcrasher
11-30-2002, 11:14 AM
Water cooling allows manufactures to keep closer tolerences such as piston to cylinder. Air cooled bikes with larger clearances whether they have an oil cooler or not run hotter and lose power as they heat up. They sure are much easier to work on though. I too have sent a chain through a set of cases, an RM125 to be exact. And as with any chain failure it is usually operator error - loose chain, worn chain or improperly installed master link. No case are cheap to buy or install. Every front sprocket should have some sort of metal strap surrounding it mounted to the case to at least try to avoid moshing the case. :!:

banshee350
11-30-2002, 03:31 PM
Kyle you know their awesome!
:-D

yamaha 250
12-02-2002, 12:24 AM
yea i know i just whant to know their opinions

3WheelHouston
12-07-2002, 04:57 AM
Banshee 350, you listed the top 5 quads, in your opinion, and I hope you mean brand new. You left out both the TRX 250r and the Quadzilla, if you were talking about all time.

Tri-Z_Jim
12-07-2002, 11:24 PM
The Z400 is an awesome machine with smooth power.
This pic is gonna haunt TRIKE forever :) I think he was in 3rd or 4th gear when his rear sprocket hit a rock and threw the chain off .If I remember the chain was wrapped around the front sprocket 2 or 3 times.The rear sprocket was also bent over about an inch.We had to take the f sprocket off to free the chain.A skidplate would have prevented this from happening.

Dirtcrasher
12-08-2002, 11:12 AM
It's not as bad when the machines a few years old but that just brought me to tears!

hrc200x
12-08-2002, 06:36 PM
Would this idea work to solve chains hitting cases: The reason the chain hits the case is because it falls off the sprocket and then gets slack in it. Couldn't you put something on either side of your rear sprocket, that wouldn't let the chain fall onto the swing arm, therefor it wouldn't get much slack in it. This would only work for chains falling off and not breaking. Anyone understand what I'm saying?

Tri-Z_Jim
12-08-2002, 08:33 PM
The only solution is to set the front sprocket out from the engine more so that it sticks out past the case,unfortunately i dont know anyone thats ever done that.Theres just enuff room between the case and sprocket for the chain to fit thru when its on the sprocket.When the chain breaks or comes off it has alot of slack in it.Since the engine is still turning and theres no tension on the chain,the chain bunches up and tries going around the sprocket all at once.On top of the case getting smashed the chain usually bends the shift shaft also. Most of the factory case guards around the front sprocket are not built strong enuff to begin with. I think the factories design them to break if the chain fails so that we can spend a fortune on a new case.

Dirtcrasher
12-09-2002, 06:46 PM
I machined one for my RM125 after I had a disaster. It followed the curve of the sprocket and picked up 2 - 6mm holes, similar to stock but I used 1/4 thick steel and twice as wide and used the longest screws possible to use the most threads. When I was running a junk rear sprocket it fell off again but nothing got ruined this time.