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Dustin96
03-24-2014, 09:08 PM
ok right now I have a 1978 Honda atc 90 it runs good but it just don't have enough power to pull me up hills. Here is a picture of the 90 http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/1459945_10201098495332014_843229196_n_zps55aa722e. jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/1459945_10201098495332014_843229196_n_zps55aa722e. jpg.html) . Now I have a offer to trade for two 1983 Honda big red 200e, the one with the seat runs but does need carb work and valve cover gasket and the one with no seat is for parts it it worth trading for? http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload7_zpsd8cccf43.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload7_zpsd8cccf43.jpg.html) http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload_zps1d37b74e.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload_zps1d37b74e.jpg.html) http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload6_zps5aaad69b.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload6_zps5aaad69b.jpg.html) http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload8_zpse5c7ccd5.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload8_zpse5c7ccd5.jpg.html)

desertlizard
03-24-2014, 11:00 PM
I personally wouldn't cuz I think 90's are way cooler but thats me and the other one looks like it that hasn't been taken care of very well. Good luck

Dustin96
03-24-2014, 11:08 PM
The 90 is cool but just doesn't haul me around like I need it to and ya it doesn't look the best but I just need something to ride with my buddies and well I do more pushing then riding with the 90. Will the 200 haul me fine im 200lbs.

Ghostv2
03-24-2014, 11:35 PM
The 200e is an awesome hauler. I think it is the next to lowest geared trike. It hauled me (only a whopping 130), my buddy on the rear rack (around 300lbs) and a trailer full of firewood which weighed who knows how much up and down hills to the campsite. It will haul you no doubt. If it can't in high gear throw it in low and chug away saying I think I can I think I can.

BUT, those pictures say a lot without showing much of the trike. You know it has not been maintained what so ever besides enough to keep it running. With lack of maintence can come lack of power and performance. Give it a good once over if you do. I have a feeling you will get it out of necessary and I don't blame you, you'll love it. Just don't get a lemon.

Dustin96
03-24-2014, 11:45 PM
ok ill make sure to check it over well im sure between the two I can get me a decent machine he says the one runs doesn't smoke just leaks alittle around the valve cover and carb needs tuned. Thanks for the info on the low gearing that's perfect for what I need.

Big G
03-25-2014, 12:15 PM
You have a nice 90 there, but both of the 200E's look pretty much complete - so I'd say it's a decent trade. The plastic and rubber looks good on both of the 200's. The 200 engines are skookum. Like you say, they'll need a bit of tinkering, but it won't take much to get a decent runner going. I think you'll be happy with the upgrade. Besides, half the fun is working on these things!

On a side note, how can someone just abandon these trikes to the elements like that (sitting in the snow drifts). Man, it's almost criminal to neglect them in such a way.

atc007
03-25-2014, 12:59 PM
Clearly the 200"s are gonna need work. But I would DEF trade!! The 200 is a TANK compared to what you're riding!! You will be very happy with it.

hoosierlogger
03-25-2014, 01:55 PM
Looks like they are pretty well cared for judging by where they are stored.

kowboy
03-25-2014, 02:06 PM
If you are looking for a work horse over a toy to be-bop around on i would do the trade. even if the units were not maintained well just take the two units and make one nice unit, and as added plus the 200e's have both the luggage racks

Dustin96
03-25-2014, 04:14 PM
Thanks for all the replies guys going to be trading this weekend if everything goes as planed and ya I just need more power to pull my fat butt up hills lol.

Dustin96
03-27-2014, 06:28 PM
well im for sure picking up the big reds on Saturday everything worked out as planned thanks guys for your input!

250r86
03-27-2014, 11:23 PM
Good luck with your new 200's. You will like them. I had a 90 and it was fun riding in the yard and that's about it. My 250sx and 200x are a lot more fun.

Dgaf 3 forever
03-27-2014, 11:25 PM
I think making the trade would be a good call. The atc 200 I had didn't have the hi low range. But I named it Jesus. Cause if you put in first gear Jesus Christ if you could hold on it would go up anything. Great little goats for sure.

Dustin96
03-27-2014, 11:42 PM
is there any different hubs out there that will fit this? Because I have a nice set of atv tires sitting around but there for 12" rims.

Bren_downe
03-27-2014, 11:54 PM
is there any different hubs out there that will fit this? Because I have a nice set of atv tires sitting around but there for 12" rims.

200x/ 400ex. Most honda hubs will work besides 85-86 and up 250r and 350x.

Dustin96
03-28-2014, 12:04 AM
ok ill have to find some 400ex hubs and get these old ones off,what do I do with the front then?

Dustin96
03-28-2014, 12:08 AM
can they be just any rear 400ex hubs or do they need to be a exact year?

Kennebell250
03-28-2014, 12:22 AM
I would trade trade the 90 for two 200e. It's not often you get two atc for one

Bren_downe
03-28-2014, 01:13 AM
can they be just any rear 400ex hubs or do they need to be a exact year?

Pretty sure any year, they will also make the ass end wider by a few inches.

Dustin96
03-28-2014, 01:16 AM
alright thanks everyone for the info ill update this as soon as I get them home and figure out whats what.

Dustin96
03-28-2014, 05:00 PM
is there a different front hub I can use also for 12" rims? I mean I know to do mechanical work first but well might as throw these brand new tires I have on it while im at it.

Dustin96
03-29-2014, 06:26 PM
Just got home with them the runner runs great! Doesnt burn oil all gears work amd starts first pull! The parts bike needs work but brothers going to rebuild it.

SteveCZ28
03-29-2014, 08:12 PM
congrats man. i think you did good by trading 1 for 2. might not take much to get the parts machine running also, that way you have a back up if you need it, or if another guy wants to tag along. post some pictures now that they arent burried in the snow!

Dustin96
03-29-2014, 10:14 PM
Ill get some pictures tomorrow im very excited the parts machine is locked up so i filled the cyl with oil and gonna let it sit for a week or so.

Dustin96
03-29-2014, 10:59 PM
o and does anyone happen to know the tubing diameter for the cover the goes over trunk on the back rack both are missing and I want to weld up one. Thanks for all the help guys I will for sure get some better pictures tomorrow!

jakep53
03-30-2014, 06:13 AM
I think you did good 1 for 2 you can't go wrong with that and you have already got one going!

Dustin96
03-30-2014, 08:36 PM
Sorry guys couldnt get pics phones sd card craped out. I got bored so i pulled the other ones locked up motor and going to inspect the damage tomorrow.

Dustin96
03-31-2014, 07:55 PM
The motor on the none runner has a seized wrist pin and i cant get it out any ideas?

atc007
03-31-2014, 08:12 PM
Hacksaw the piston in half down through the top. Split it,remove. In the old days . I would then get the rod propped up perfectly to a VERY heavy vise. And drive it out. Then very carefully clean up the rod end with a dremel.There are nifty tools nowadays to avoid this. Research and choose the one you like. It will be a bolt/double nut type of setup..

Dustin96
04-01-2014, 05:44 PM
The parts motor is getting stored for a bit till I get the runner how I want it does anyone see a issue running 25x8x12 silverback x-lites on the back of the 200e? They weight 20lbs a piece so I was thinking it could handle it.

Dustin96
04-01-2014, 11:40 PM
anyone got a answer to my question? Wanting to order them as soon as possible if they will work.

Bren_downe
04-02-2014, 12:24 AM
The tire size seems fine but your back is going to take a pounding. I'm not familiar with silverback tires but they don't sound like they're 2 ply. Remember this trike has no suspension so your tires are your suspension.
I'm sure they will work fine jut be ready for a rough ride.

Dustin96
04-02-2014, 12:52 AM
good news is I mainly mud ride and ive read the x lites over 15mph and they ride smooth

jakep53
04-02-2014, 05:53 AM
if you ride mostly mud then the x-lite would be fine but 1)you need to have enough power to turn them and 2)on a quad it may be smooth riding over 15mph but aren't the x-lite 6 ply so they are going to be pretty stiff so they may still be rough on a non suspended trike!!

Dustin96
04-02-2014, 05:40 PM
Is the 200 enough power to turn them they weigh 20lbs each I didn't think it would have a problem? and for the ride im fine with that Im use to riding pulley swapped mowers with no suspension and aggressive tires.

Dustin96
04-02-2014, 11:04 PM
sorry for all these guestions guys. But thank you everyone for all your replys!

Dustin96
04-05-2014, 07:30 PM
The electric start isnt working on the runner any ideas? I put power directly to the starter is spins but doesnt turn the motor over?

Ghostv2
04-05-2014, 09:01 PM
Maybe a bad starter clutch or bearing?

Did the starter work last time you rode it? Sometimes you think it's in neutral and it's not. Rock it back and forth then keep shifting up to neutral. I've done it a few times myself.

Dustin96
04-05-2014, 09:55 PM
Its in neutral and i normally just use pull start so i have no idea previous owner said he rebuilt starter.

kennymp3
04-05-2014, 11:37 PM
Maybe try lightly tapping on the starter with a hammer. If it tries to start or turn over then you may need to rebuild it

Dustin96
04-06-2014, 12:30 AM
Tried tapping it with a hammer didnt help it still only spins but doesnt turn the motor over.

Ghostv2
04-06-2014, 01:21 AM
Sounds like you might need to open it up and see what's not causing it to engage. I would wait for some other opinions first since I'm nowhere near an expert. But something's broke or stripped or came loose. I mean the starter itself is working but it's not moving what needs to be moved so it's something past that point. Like I said, you might need to open it up. Good news is I think it can all be done without removing the engine.

Dustin96
04-06-2014, 02:12 AM
ok if I do have to pull it apart what all has to come off to see the electric start gears? If its gonna take a lot of work ill stick to just pull start.

jakep53
04-06-2014, 06:19 AM
your one way starter clutch bearing is shot do a quick google search and you will find many walkthroughs on how to replace it

Dustin96
04-06-2014, 02:25 PM
Ok thanks guys i think im gonna wait to fix the electric start. Today im replacing the valve cover gasket and was just wondering how to tell when my motors at tdc to set the spark system.

Dustin96
04-06-2014, 03:37 PM
Well figured out how to find tdc but the little plug to see the marks wont come out.

Ghostv2
04-06-2014, 04:11 PM
I used a dull chisel but any thick flat head screw driver should do and take a hammer to it and it should come out.

Dustin96
04-06-2014, 10:18 PM
tried that it didn't work that thing wont budge

Dustin96
04-07-2014, 09:25 PM
got it loose and got the timing set runs great and no leaky valve cover now :)

Dustin96
04-08-2014, 02:15 AM
Might be trying to save this old 70 to mess around with also is this a first gen 70? http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/00o0o_5UJpsRBGbwE_600x450_zpsf9364b03.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/00o0o_5UJpsRBGbwE_600x450_zpsf9364b03.jpg.html)

jakep53
04-08-2014, 07:00 AM
yes it is a first gen I would say its a 1974 model

Ghostv2
04-08-2014, 12:15 PM
Might be trying to save this old 70 to mess around with also is this a first gen 70? http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/00o0o_5UJpsRBGbwE_600x450_zpsf9364b03.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/00o0o_5UJpsRBGbwE_600x450_zpsf9364b03.jpg.html)


Hope your getting it cheap. Tires look good though so thats a plus. The recoil might be a problem, expensive but im sure someone here has one. Lots of paint removal to do. Unless you dont care. And a seat cover. Plus fenders if you want it pretty.

Dustin96
04-08-2014, 07:51 PM
nvm i passed on the 70 dude wanted way to much he wanted $300

Dustin96
04-11-2014, 08:56 PM
Ok after running the big red if i check the oil when its warm some pressure comes out the dip stick hole is this normal? Also the starter doesnt work but its always spinning when motors running is that bad?

SteveCZ28
04-13-2014, 03:59 AM
pressure coming out of the dipstick hole isnt good, but could be an easy fix. im guessing the crank case vent is clogged. should be a little fitting and hose somewhere in the middle of the crankcase under the carb area and probably behind the starter somewhere.

yes the starter running with the motor running isnt good. you have a bearing shot somewhere. like some have mentioned the one way bearing is probably shot. youll end up destroying that starter running it like that.

Dustin96
04-13-2014, 09:10 PM
alright ill check that vent and I cant afford to fix the starter right now can I just remove its gear?

atcdude0
04-14-2014, 06:54 PM
You have a nice 90 there, but both of the 200E's look pretty much complete - so I'd say it's a decent trade. The plastic and rubber looks good on both of the 200's. The 200 engines are skookum. Like you say, they'll need a bit of tinkering, but it won't take much to get a decent runner going. I think you'll be happy with the upgrade. Besides, half the fun is working on these things!

On a side note, how can someone just abandon these trikes to the elements like that (sitting in the snow drifts). Man, it's almost criminal to neglect them in such a way.

I know, how can they do that? One of my freinds (as I just recently discovered) has a 250r that he just left outside in the weeds for eight years. Now im gonna fix it up for him out of pity for the machine. It just makes me sad to see it sitting outside.

Dustin96
04-15-2014, 02:41 AM
Im gonna try to fix the electric start I guess my backs been killing me and im tired of pull starting it in pain. Is there a trick to get these starter clutch off mine wont budge.

Dustin96
04-16-2014, 10:45 PM
Well guys the wait is finally over I got updated pictures! Ignore my messy yard lol http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload11_zps3760cf66.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload11_zps3760cf66.jpg.html) http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload13_zps3ea5368b.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload13_zps3ea5368b.jpg.html) http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload14_zps957f6397.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload14_zps957f6397.jpg.html)

8686
04-17-2014, 07:43 AM
Hope it works out for ya.

Ghostv2
04-17-2014, 12:01 PM
Don't look too bad other then the front rack being bent. Looks like a nice rider, plus you won't get stuck with them tires. Must make for a rough ride though. My back wouldn't be able to handle it lol.

Dustin96
04-17-2014, 04:01 PM
Tires actually ride fairly smooth over 5-10mph and ya rack needs some help thats the next project.

Dustin96
04-17-2014, 04:06 PM
Oh and is there a skinnier front tire that will fit this?

Dustin96
04-18-2014, 10:42 PM
any ideas on the front tire?

Bren_downe
04-19-2014, 12:33 AM
I think 25x12x9 is the stock size, I can't remember off the top of my head. I would stick with that size and look for a skinnier profile tire. You'd be surprised the actual size difference between manufacturers with the same size tire.
Personally I like the knobbies on the front like Carlisle or Cheng Shin.

Dustin96
04-19-2014, 02:05 AM
ok I was just trying to find something around 8" wide so I could have matching widths front and rear ill look into one of those brands tires thanks.

Dustin96
04-20-2014, 10:09 PM
can anyone tell me about how wide the cheng shin knobbies are inflated?

Dustin96
04-28-2014, 10:50 PM
sorry I haven't updated this in a while but I got the crankcase pressure building up fixed it was a plugged vent lines. I also ended up trading the parts atc because its motor needed a lot more work then I first thought. I got this on trade http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/10264293_10152309001758886_5157214162900948719_n2_ zpsd89cbe84.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/10264293_10152309001758886_5157214162900948719_n2_ zpsd89cbe84.jpg.html) its runs doesn't smoke just isn't the prettiest and the shifter splines are stripped.

Dustin96
07-26-2014, 12:20 AM
Has anyone made a case saver for one of these big reds? After getting the new tires Im worried about throwing a chain threw the case.

Dustin96
07-27-2014, 09:02 PM
Also is there any power mods I can do to the engine? With the new tires it seems to be running a little lower in torque then I would like.

d.walker43
07-28-2014, 09:35 PM
The 90 is cool but just doesn't haul me around like I need it to and ya it doesn't look the best but I just need something to ride with my buddies and well I do more pushing then riding with the 90. Will the 200 haul me fine im 200lbs.

Most definently it will haul you fine. I weigh 211 and my 185s hauls me around perfectly fine.

Dustin96
07-28-2014, 10:55 PM
ive been riding it for awhile now and just think it could use some more power for the steep hills, do they sell bigger rear sprockets for these anywhere? Or am I stuck to just engine mods for the extra power I need?

muthey
07-28-2014, 10:59 PM
you can get larger rear sprockets, but will need to remove the chain guard to use them. check on ebay

Dustin96
07-28-2014, 11:57 PM
ok ill look and the chain guards no big deal ill just weld up some kind of skid plate so I don't bounce the sprocket off stuff.

Dustin96
07-29-2014, 12:03 AM
What is the stock front and rear sprockets on the 1983 200e big reds?

Dustin96
07-29-2014, 07:07 PM
Ok been looking on ebay with tons of different searches and can only find 47t rear sprocket and a 49t. So does anyone have a link to a sprocket for a 1983 Honda 200e big red that's 50 teeth or more?

chopdog
07-30-2014, 12:24 AM
i would keep the 90 and look for a better condition machine.

Dustin96
07-30-2014, 01:10 AM
Sorry didn't realize I delete the pics off my photo bucket. http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload13_zps42218f7c.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload13_zps42218f7c.jpg.html) http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r507/mudmower16/securedownload14_zps2941e707.jpg (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/mudmower16/media/securedownload14_zps2941e707.jpg.html) ignore all my junk lol. Also I ended up getting the 200e big red awhile back chopdog it actually turned out to be a better machine.

250esBigRojo
08-04-2014, 05:37 PM
I think it is a very fair trade. I don't see it taking much to get one of those Big Reds running using parts off of the other.