Everything that is wrong with people these days. Proud american workforce

[trike savior]

I cant believe someone would post something like this on line. I wish it was a joke,

she doesn't want to work and feels we should take care of her. "should be given free money", the only place she wants to work, she has been banned from, I wonder why!!! rather have her own tv show then work! oh, she does not care about putting food on the table, your figure would beg to differ you fat cow and why don't you put some more $h!t in your face. AND her mom is listening to all this, and listen to how she talks to her. people please, hit your children if they act like this.

this really pi$$e$ me off, especially makes me angry around tax time when I am reminded I pay so much to support these people, let the fat b!t(h starve and loose her place to stay, maybe she will change her tune

we need to stop helping some of these people, if they want government aid
prove they cant work, physically, not just lazy like this piece of trash
submit to drug testing. im sick of seeing caddy's and hummers on 28's in section 8 areas of the city


don't watch too much of this, you will never get your time back.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ba7_1396066171

[briano]

I didn't watch the video but I know what you mean. There has been an ad on Craigslist in my area for months now with a girl begging for help. Says they have 5 kids and her and her husband are trying to get on disability, welfare and food stamps but they need more help. A couple months ago they wanted to trade their brand new washer and dryer for food. I really feel sorry for kids that are brought up this way because they often choose the same career path as the deadbeat parents.

I have responded several times wondering why they have money for internet but not for food.

[DohcBikes]

Absolutely repulsive.

"I dont believe in working"... well guess what lady, its real, and some of us have to work even harder to support pieces of chit like you.

Sorry for being passive aggressive and talking imaginarily to a person i will never meet, but that kind of person makes me sick.

She did say one thing i liked.....

"I will never have kids"

THANK YOU.

[tripledog]

She says she doesn't care about putting food on the table, but it doesn't look like she has missed many meals.

[badass350x]

Seen enough half way through the vid, have no Idea what offspring she's from! To me it looks like she has three hobbies and that's mooching, eating, and freeloading!! She needs to eat garbage..

[Scootertrash]

WARNING!! Barnett like post ahead! ;)

I'll just leave this here (From a previous thread):

the only way to make this happen was for everyone to get insurance so the healthy pay for the sick
Because like that thing in the vid, some people feel that someone else owes them something? Bullshlt
Just an FYI: That's how insurance has always worked. The money people payed for their insurance policy that they didn't use was used to pay for the costs of those who used their insurance.
Do you know why insurance is so expensive? Are you aware that in the US, hospitals cannot turn away a patient based on their ability to pay? That means they have to treat everyone whether they can pay or not. You know how the costs of the non-payers is recovered? By charging the people with insurance more to cover the costs of those who don't pay. O-care does the same thing, except all citizens are forced to pay in. Except, of course, those who can't afford it, because let's be honest: If they couldn't afford it before, how can they afford it now?

Then, later in the same post:

Unlike some i was able to keep my health insurance plan i had before and i do sympathize with those that could not and had to shell out extra cash in these hard times.

I thought O-Care was supposed to be cheaper? :rolleyes:


i would have paid my part if asked.

No one else was "asked" they were forced to sign up or they would be penalized, and no, it's not a "tax". So since you are such a big proponent of O-care, you shouldn't need to be "asked". I think YOU should voluntarily sign up, shell out some extra cash in these hard times, and help to pay for your uncles healthcare since you expect everyone else to. It's only fair, he is YOUR uncle after all.

In addition why should others have to pay for the costs of others unhealthy lifestyles. People who don't smoke, drink to excess or do drugs now have to pay for the medical costs of smokers, alcoholics and junkies. Is that fair?

Now before you call me an insensitive, uncaring a-hole because I don't care about those "less fortunate" then me, here's my situation (actually my wife and I): My wife has MS. Her meds alone are $4000 a month. Add into that the specialists and the MRI's she needs done to monitor her condition. My insurance covers some of the clinical costs, but very little of the cost for the meds. I don't want O-care. My wife doesn't want O-care. We don't want others burdened with helping to pay for her healthcare when they have their own to worry about. My wife didn't and couldn't cause her MS, nor did anyone else in this country. Why should they have to pay for it?

You know why I have insurance? Because at the ripe old age of 25 or 26 I realized that I need to see a doctor on a regular basis to stay healthy, and I started looking for jobs with health plans. If people got insurance at a young age and saw doctors on a regular basis there would be no "pre-existing condition" because would be caught while they had insurance and it wouldn't be an issue with getting insurance

What does this have to do with this thread? Healthcare welfare is no different than regular welfare. People like that thing in the link in the OP are the ones who will benefit the most from O-care because "The world owes me something because I don't think I should have to work for it". Bltch has money for tats, piercings and a crappy flourescent hairdo, but doesn't think she should have to work. Do you think the tats and piercings would stop if she was on welfare?

As BKM said in the cops are speeders thread: "You can't have it both ways"

You can't support healthcare welfare and then bash the welfare system mentality that created the need for it.

ETA: O-care will be rampant with fraud and abuse just like the current welfare system is, and when there's not enough to go around it will get blamed on those funding the plan with their tax dollars because "they're not paying their fair share"

ETA 2: If O-care is so danged great, why have all the Dem politicians who were so gung-ho about "passing it so we can see what's in it" conveniently exempted themselves from enrolling in O-care? Why aren't they leading by example? I guess some animals are more equal than others.

I know, I know! Logic and rational thought and all that.

[trike savior]

yeah, big difference between O-care and people like this who will be on Medi-caid, and main programs these people get that piss me off are food stamps and government assisted housing.

so thanks for cluttering my thread because you apparently hold some grudge against me and wanted to vent. shows how childish some are. I have no problem with people posting their thoughts and opinions, just do it in the right place. maybe we should call you mickey, calling you Barnett is a disgrace to him.

oh and by the way, found out my healthcare plan got grandfathered in, so I can keep it forever, and my uncle thanks you.

just read your post farther. and you are an even bigger _____ thinking because you went to the doctor at an earlier age would mean there would be no pre-existing conditions. how do you think that became such a BIG PROBLEM? because when they found something that was an expensive condition that will be with you for life, the insurance company would drop you. then when you go to find a new company the price increased and they would not cover that condition. apparently you have never been through it. and like to talk out your butt.

"I know, I know logic and rational thought and all that"-- total tool

[ironchop]

The beauty of the Great Screwing Over of the Workingman is that some elite politician gets to satisfy a particular voting demographic insuring their loyalty while the middle class foots the bill....Suckers every one! On top of that, they have now manipulated you ALL into blaming each other and fighting each other for what mess THEY ALONE are responsible for...I can tell you this......this week we lost our nice insurance. I have a deadly preexisting condition and have had med claims in the millions. I have NEVER been cancelled until obamacare and now my new policy is four times higher on a mere 42k a yr job.....no subsidies here. EVERYTHING ANY DEMOCRAT claims on the news are LIES. you are also mistaken if you dont think ALL parties are crooks and scoundrels.....but you two go right ahead hating one another while a Rothschild, Koch, Bush, Buffet, and Bloomberg have a glass of Chianti while watching the rednecks implode

[El Camexican]

The problem with people like that POS is that they get to vote and their numbers are growing every day.

[trike savior]

right on ironchop, hear a lot of truths there. don't get it wrong, I think the issues between me and this guy go back a bit farther because we apparently don't agree on a lot of things and now he dumps his garbage everytime I post a thread.

what he is referring to this time is I posted a while back that I am fine with obamacare because I watched my uncle struggle financially to pay ridiculous insurance premiums he had to have because of his many ailments. When he signed up for Obamacare he said it was surprisingly cheaper. it makes sense to me that the young and healthy pay more to get the old and sick healthcare they can afford. I am real sorry that is not the case for you and am left wondering why, how.

just like many have said in this debate I would love free healthcare like Canada. (not really free but that seems to be what people like to call it.) but I would also like a toilet made of gold. we all know it is not possible here because of the exact reasons you stated of corrupt politicians receiving too many contributions from the insurance companies. that is why this seems the best we can do and since it worked for my uncle, as I previously stated, we should just get on board with it. at this point it is not going anywhere.

[ironchop]

I got no business havin an opinion on the history of you or scooter.

As for the other , I get both sides. Liberal VOTERS honestly think they are doing good for the poor. CONSERVATIVE VOTERS honestly think they are doin good for our national debt responsibilities our children must burden. Both of you hate those entitled slackers......you both agree on that much but these Elitists asshats have sold all of us a load of crap. They get out of suffering or losing money. They got exemptions. They get to hide while our Nation divides itself because we aren't smart enough to figure out that without us all divided, they wouldn't have a job. Its why Sharpton is always race baiting....without conflict, they would have to get jobs.....instead they keep us all fightin each other

Republican or Democrat is like being asked to choose between Small Pox or The Black Plague......either way, we are all ALL trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro.

two parties are merely two sides of a penny....dont matter which way you flip it, it ain't worth a dime

[El Camexican]

just like many have said in this debate I would love free healthcare like Canada. (not really free but that seems to be what people like to call it.)

You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans.

[ironchop]

and i hate the tiny keys on my phone. Makes my misspelled posts look like im drunk

[El Camexican]

and i hate the tiny keys on my phone. Makes my misspelled posts look like im drunk

Good excuse, I'll have to rememember to use that one:lol:

[Dirtcrasher]

and i hate the tiny keys on my phone. Makes my misspelled posts look like im drunk

Don't feel bad, I smell like I'm drunk, :lol:

[Gearheadtom]

Am I the only one that was focused on the red mark on her arm? Tattoo? Or self inflicted, crack induced, scratch marks?

[90guy]

My lord. What a POS! I am so sick of having to pay for people like that. And has absolutely no respect for her mother either. I'm thinking her mom should kick her out and have her live on the street.

[El Camexican]

God Bless America


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

[trike savior]

haha that was a good one EL. here is one of my favorites from when OBAMA first got elected

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

"not going to have to pay for rent or gas" ridiculous and sick of these types as well

don't get me wrong with all this, not a huge Obama fan. as I have said in other threads, the elections I have been old enough to vote in have been jokes, as South Park illustrated when the boys had to choose a new school mascot between a deuche and a "turd" sandwich. but during most recent re-election Romney really seemed evil and hated the lower-middle class.

as to one of your earlier posts. "You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans."

we have supported those type of people for long before and after Obama care with medicaid. so for the rest of us being able to see a doctor for free (no copay at visit) and getting prescription for free would be nice. I cannot imagine the increase in taxes it would take, would be much different than what we are all paying to private insurance companies. it is my understanding the Canadian health system, though collected by the government is private? and the government just regulates the care standards which would be the scariest part in this country.

I have herd if you go to become a Canadian citizen you have to pay in a butload of money to become current like everyone else paying in to healthcare from the beginning.

if you really want to hear numbers that can make one angry: My mom just received her hospital bill for her recent stay in the hospital with cellulitis. $43,000 of which medi-CARE and insurance had to shell out $1200. the first time she had this was 2008, no insurance and not old enough for medi-care, roughly same bill she said, and she had to pay the entire $40k. THAT IS RIDICULOUSNESS. The racket these people are running is something else, not human, not ethical.

[86125m]

Man don't even get me started. It would be nice if the government paid for my trike obsession ;). But the reality is that you have to work for everything you have and you will feel better because you worked for it.

[El Camexican]

haha that was a good one EL. here is one of my favorites from when OBAMA first got elected

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

"not going to have to pay for rent or gas" ridiculous and sick of these types as well

don't get me wrong with all this, not a huge Obama fan. as I have said in other threads, the elections I have been old enough to vote in have been jokes, as South Park illustrated when the boys had to choose a new school mascot between a deuche and a "turd" sandwich. but during most recent re-election Romney really seemed evil and hated the lower-middle class.

as to one of your earlier posts. "You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans."

we have supported those type of people for long before and after Obama care with medicaid. so for the rest of us being able to see a doctor for free (no copay at visit) and getting prescription for free would be nice. I cannot imagine the increase in taxes it would take, would be much different than what we are all paying to private insurance companies. it is my understanding the Canadian health system, though collected by the government is private? and the government just regulates the care standards which would be the scariest part in this country.

I have herd if you go to become a Canadian citizen you have to pay in a butload of money to become current like everyone else paying in to healthcare from the beginning.

if you really want to hear numbers that can make one angry: My mom just received her hospital bill for her recent stay in the hospital with cellulitis. $43,000 of which medi-CARE and insurance had to shell out $1200. the first time she had this was 2008, no insurance and not old enough for medi-care, roughly same bill she said, and she had to pay the entire $40k. THAT IS RIDICULOUSNESS. The racket these people are running is something else, not human, not ethical.

I read your post, but don't have time to respond right now, but be assured I will.:beer

PS. Loved the video!

[Dirtcrasher]

Well, I've been running this apartment gig for 3 years now. Was 3 homes and 25 units overall. Had to sell 1 of 3 because 2006 and up hurt allot of us.

Took me a few adds in the paper to understand and look into there response to the question, "Where are you working or do you collect SSI or SSDI??"
Fast forward to today? and my latest add produced roughly 75% of 200 callers sit home all day for either "bi polar" or "stress" or " it hurts my hands to work, so I get disability each month on the 3rd" Most of them get roughly 800-1K a month; Who can live on that and be any sort of parent??

Maybe 10% of these need SSDI, like the girl who was nearly killed in an accident and has 2 lbs of titanium throughout her body, she also has seizures with a tiny window of, "maybe". SHE needs help or she's homeless.

The rest of them, in this lovely pro liberal state of Massachusetts, have no problem other than laziness or won't accept an 8.50$ an hour job. So, I wonder why this State and our government are broke.

Now that I've watched these clowns watch TV all day with no ambitions at all, I understand why things are so bad.

And I pay utilities so these people are not desirable.

75% GUYS!!!! Want SSI or SSDI and spend their days rolling cigarettes with pipe tobacco and watching TV; It's BAD and now in my face. Prior to this, I would have never known real close to a percentage....... But, now I DO!!!!

[Mr. Clean]

On my round trip drive to Austin TX around the turn of the new year to pick up an A+, I discovered a talk radio host named Michael Savage.

"Borders, language and culture"....and "Liberalism is a mental disorder" :D

I like for others to do their homework and research and not to be directed in any way, come to their own conclusions.....But I would suggest you look him up on your local AM radio or online.

I like his show, his message and what he has to say.

[Scootertrash]

yeah, big difference between O-care and people like this who will be on Medi-caid,
Really? I guess you were unaware that The Affordable Care Act expanded Medicade to individuals with incomes of up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level (about $15,850), and that under the ACA, the government will initially pay 100 percent of the cost of expansion, though it eventually drops to 90 percent.


so thanks for cluttering my thread because you apparently hold some grudge against me and wanted to vent.

No grudge, but nice feeble attempt to make your self look like the victim (look everybody, he's picking on me):cry:. Just pointing out your double standards. I want my federal program that I don't have to pay for, but I don't want to pay for someone elses because people are cheating. Yup, they are. Just like every government program: The Welfare program in general, Food stamps, Medicare, Medicade, and soon, the ACA. If you think the ACA won't be defrauded and cheated like any other government program you are a fool.


shows how childish some are. I have no problem with people posting their thoughts and opinions, just do it in the right place. maybe we should call you mickey, calling you Barnett is a disgrace to him.

As childish as name calling when someone has a different opinion than you? Yea, you do have a problem when people have a different opinion than you, as evidenced in the cops/speeders thread when people (myself and others) pointed out your arrogant, selfish attitude. Let's recap, shant we?:
"Cops can't speed without their lights on, but I can and do speed whenever I want"
"Cops shouldn't be able to go the speed limit to catch people speeding"
"Cops should crack down more on driving violations" (As long as they don't engage in scenarios above)
"I speed, but I follow all the laws"

So evidently you are OK with other peoples thoughts and opinions, as long as they are the same as yours.

And feel free to call me whatever you wish. I've been called worse by far better.


oh and by the way, found out my healthcare plan got grandfathered in, so I can keep it forever, and my uncle thanks you.

Union guy are ya? Yup, you're grandfathered in, until enough people b!tch that whatever plan you have isn't fair (sound familiar?) to everyone else who was forced into The ACA, or they need your money to make the plan work, whichever comes first or both.


just read your post farther. and you are an even bigger _____ thinking because you went to the doctor at an earlier age would mean there would be no pre-existing conditions. how do you think that became such a BIG PROBLEM? because when they found something that was an expensive condition that will be with you for life, the insurance company would drop you. then when you go to find a new company the price increased and they would not cover that condition. apparently you have never been through it. and like to talk out your butt.

If you "read my post further" then your reading comprehension sucks. Apparently you failed to see the part of my post explaining that my wife has MS and what the medications alone cost, not including the hospital and specialists related expenses.

Hey Einstien, do you know why the price goes up? BECAUSE IT COSTS MORE TO PAY FOR YOUR CARE

[QUOTE=trike savior;1299803]"I know, I know, logic and rational thought and all that"-- total tool[/QUOTE

You are correct. Logic and rational thought are both excellent tools, if you know how to use them. You should try it sometime.

ETA: Just so everyone knows, although I'm sure the majority of you do, in no way do I support the opinions of Miss Piggy in the video. It's obvious why Kermit dumped her.

[Scootertrash]

So Trike Savior, I put this in a stand alone post. Answer this question:

If you are so impressed with O-Care and believe it helps your loved ones, why don't you voluntarily sign up instead of letting people who have no connection to your family and are not responsible for their medical problems foot the bill by themselves?

[El Camexican]

as to one of your earlier posts. "You want to pay the bulk of your wage to the tax man so some low life can abuse drugs half his life and then spend the other half taking up the hospital bed you need to safe your tax paying ass? Fear not, it's right around the corner for all Americans."

While I was not directly involved in the Canadian healthcare system, most of my family is, so I have some insight. This is what I recall.

- A visit to the family doctor is “free”… if you can find one that speakers English and hasn’t fled to the US
- If something is seriously wrong with you he will refer you to a specialist. The wait can be as much as six months
- Prescription meds are typically not covered, but you can pay for supplementary coverage out of your own pocket that will cover most if not all the costs. Some companies and most unions offer this. People on social assistance have options that those who work to pay their portion do not
- There are “private” clinics that charge the government for their time are pre-approved rates. However this is not a place where you would have anything more intrusive that a test or get a mole burnt off.
- Hospitals are owned and run by the provinces.
- Depending on bed availability you can wait as long as a year for an operation. My father waited eight months for his hip. Some people die waiting.
- If there are fees to get medical coverage for new comers I am unaware of it. My Mexican brother-in-law recently became a Canadian. He was granted medical privileges as soon as he moved there at no charge.
- I know of a person who migrated to Canada from Africa that had full blown AIDS and within a year of his arrival had a sex change operation performed at my expense shortly before he died.
- I know of aboriginal Canadians who mutilate their children in order to get an all-expense paid trip to the big city to go on a one week bender at my expense.
- I know pharmaceutical representatives who bribe doctors with trips and gifts in order to get them to prescribe their drugs and use their products
- I know of cancer patients who have been diagnosed as terminal and then treated with over $300,000 of experimental drugs. It did not save them, but it made the pharmaceutical company a lot of money and the doctor who used my cousin as a lab rat surely was rewarded.

These are not urban legends, I know the people who were directly involved in these examples. “Free” healthcare costs a lot more that private healthcare. It is rampant with corruption and abuse and the people who work to pay for it are usually the ones who end up at the back of the line, or without a bed.

Now I pay for my own. For my 83 year old Mother-in-law, my daughter, wife and myself (I also have a high risk activity policy) I pay about $11,000USD a year. If I take the mother-in-law out and drop the high risk policy it would be only about $4,500USD per year. When I get to the hospital I am treated like a king. No line, no waiting. I’ve never waited more than a few hours for a test result, MRI, operation, whatever. I am treated like a paying customer, not cattle like is the case in Canada.

My coverage is NOT unlimited. At some point the plug would get pulled if I got too expensive to keep alive. Is that fair? Hell no and neither is the rest of life. Why should someone with a terminal condition caused by lifestyle be kept alive at a cost that could treat hundreds of children with curable ailments? At some point life does have a value. We all have to die someday, If you work hard and can pay to extend that life by all means do so, but to see my hard working father crawl around the house on his hands and knees waiting for a hospital bed because they were filled with junkies, self-mutilators and other non-contributing members of society that HIS tax dollars were paying for made me sick.

As I said before, ya’ll will be getting a front row seat to it real soon.

[trike savior]

I agree with the expansion of the Medicaid program because as some have illustrated on this thread and I can say first hand, it is pretty hard to pay for health insurance for 1 person on 40k a year and still pay for everything else life requires. I cannot imagine trying to pay health insurance with half that income. I have friends on many of these government programs that actually need it because they work 2 minimum wage jobs and barely make ends meet. the issue here is not with the programs, because they are needed and help a lot of people, it is the pieces of trash that manipulate the system that I have issues with. it would cost these programs too much to investigate all the frauds so unfortunately they get away with it.

and this is the second time you dumped in one of my threads, along with a few other occasions of singling me out like the cop thread, so what do you expect me to think. I post my ideas popular or not without trampling others ideals. when you call me out that obviously is a different story. it is hard to communicate a complete idea in a thread short enough to keep the peanut gallery happy, without leaving some things out. most times you pull out a comment that you thought was funny, it can usually be attributed to bad proof reading than anything else. yes I should have said "I speed but obey every other rule of the road" but it would be pointless to change after you quote it. Cops can and should speed but I do not think it is ok with the lights off. if you want to talk about obeying rules / laws, they have them too and having the lights going when speeding is supposed to be standard procedure. And to clarify, 5-10 over limit is not speeding for cops or citizens. I was specifically talking about them doing 80-90 in a 55.

Anyways no one was forced to do anything with the affordable care act, you had the choice to not sign up and take the penalty, which this year is a lot cheaper than paying a years insurance. one nice thing about OBAMA care is the dropping and increasing premiums is over. with enough healthy people paying in we can continue to cover the sick at the same price, the core idea from the beginning.

the simple answer to your question in the second post you could have put in the first: it is cheaper to stay where I am at. yes logical, rational.

and just to show I do see the problems as well with O-care. everyone's premiums went up because the insurance companies feared they would not get enough healthy young people to sign up for healthcare. so the costs went up, instead of leaving them cheap and causing the companies to run the chance of operating at a loss and end up needing a bail-out down the road. now with the deadline here (and being extended more) they are saying they are surprised at the amount that have signed up. so now the insurance companies may actually be looking at some very good earnings numbers this year. does that mean they will lower everyone's premiums, no. so yeah, now they are publicly admitting to ripping off much of the public.

but as to my original post that got your panties in such a bunch, it helped my uncle and many other sick and elderly (not covered by medi-care) get the necessary help at an affordable price. I also said it is here and not going anywhere so I wish everyone would just get on board cause I was sick of hearing the whining. and now I have to hear you whine about receiving help with your wives medications that you did not ask for. really? yes, there have already been frauds by the government and will be more, but that is our government these days. it will take nothing short of a bloody revolution to change that. there will also be frauds and manipulators of the system but that is nothing new. Long term, this seems the best we could do. something had to be done because the old ways of our healthcare system were not working, and I herd no better ideas. It is a good thing that EVERYONE now has an incentive to have health care, even if young and healthy. if this was such a horrible thing they would not have made the sign up goal they thought was a long shot.

[czac]

I didn't watch the video but I know what you mean. There has been an ad on Craigslist in my area for months now with a girl begging for help. Says they have 5 kids and her and her husband are trying to get on disability, welfare and food stamps but they need more help. A couple months ago they wanted to trade their brand new washer and dryer for food. I really feel sorry for kids that are brought up this way because they often choose the same career path as the deadbeat parents.

I have responded several times wondering why they have money for internet but not for food. well if they want help getting on Disability im sure something can be done to help them... broken legs, neck or back? remove an arm or a foot or two... whats her email?
lol

[czac]

I think Obama would have been better off doing something about the cost of the insurance so that it is affordable to those who cant afford it now. Do something about the cost of everything and anything in the medical field from med school to the cost of drugs. How in the heck did my mom and dad raise 5 kids with no med. ins? All off a Union steam fitters earnings! Now a single person with a great job can hardly afford ins. Something is wrong as hell with the current state of the ins industry.

[BleedRed]

I agree with the expansion of the Medicaid program because as some have illustrated on this thread and I can say first hand, it is pretty hard to pay for health insurance for 1 person on 40k a year and still pay for everything else life requires. I cannot imagine trying to pay health insurance with half that income. I have friends on many of these government programs that actually need it because they work 2 minimum wage jobs and barely make ends meet. the issue here is not with the programs, because they are needed and help a lot of people, it is the pieces of trash that manipulate the system that I have issues with. it would cost these programs too much to investigate all the frauds so unfortunately they get away with it.

and this is the second time you dumped in one of my threads, along with a few other occasions of singling me out like the cop thread, so what do you expect me to think. I post my ideas popular or not without trampling others ideals. when you call me out that obviously is a different story. it is hard to communicate a complete idea in a thread short enough to keep the peanut gallery happy, without leaving some things out. most times you pull out a comment that you thought was funny, it can usually be attributed to bad proof reading than anything else. yes I should have said "I speed but obey every other rule of the road" but it would be pointless to change after you quote it. Cops can and should speed but I do not think it is ok with the lights off. if you want to talk about obeying rules / laws, they have them too and having the lights going when speeding is supposed to be standard procedure. And to clarify, 5-10 over limit is not speeding for cops or citizens. I was specifically talking about them doing 80-90 in a 55.

Anyways no one was forced to do anything with the affordable care act, you had the choice to not sign up and take the penalty, which this year is a lot cheaper than paying a years insurance. one nice thing about OBAMA care is the dropping and increasing premiums is over. with enough healthy people paying in we can continue to cover the sick at the same price, the core idea from the beginning.

the simple answer to your question in the second post you could have put in the first: it is cheaper to stay where I am at. yes logical, rational.

and just to show I do see the problems as well with O-care. everyone's premiums went up because the insurance companies feared they would not get enough healthy young people to sign up for healthcare. so the costs went up, instead of leaving them cheap and causing the companies to run the chance of operating at a loss and end up needing a bail-out down the road. now with the deadline here (and being extended more) they are saying they are surprised at the amount that have signed up. so now the insurance companies may actually be looking at some very good earnings numbers this year. does that mean they will lower everyone's premiums, no. so yeah, now they are publicly admitting to ripping off much of the public.

but as to my original post that got your panties in such a bunch, it helped my uncle and many other sick and elderly (not covered by medi-care) get the necessary help at an affordable price. I also said it is here and not going anywhere so I wish everyone would just get on board cause I was sick of hearing the whining. and now I have to hear you whine about receiving help with your wives medications that you did not ask for. really? yes, there have already been frauds by the government and will be more, but that is our government these days. it will take nothing short of a bloody revolution to change that. there will also be frauds and manipulators of the system but that is nothing new. Long term, this seems the best we could do. something had to be done because the old ways of our healthcare system were not working, and I herd no better ideas. It is a good thing that EVERYONE now has an incentive to have health care, even if young and healthy. if this was such a horrible thing they would not have made the sign up goal they thought was a long shot.

Wasn't the one of the biggest reason people signed up is because they didn't want to get penalized? This year the penalty wasn't much, but give it a few years.

I hate to see people arguing about politics, especially on the internet lol. Work hard, play hard, help others and love your family, be a productive member to society. I can't even stomach the thought of ACA or numerous other things that are out of my control. But one thing I am in control of is me and I'm not going to cry and preech to you about something I have no control over and never will.

[El Camexican]

Thought I’d post this up for a health care perspective.

Seems I got a piece if steel stuck pretty good in my iris yesterday. I didn’t find it till this evening and couldn’t pry it out so I drove to the hospital where I have my medical coverage.

I parked in the private lot at 6:50pm, walked up to the reception desk (no line) handed the girl my card, signed my name three times, walked a few feet, sat down and in less than a minute had my vitals checked by a nurse as a doctor asked what happened. 5 minutes later I was seated with an ophthalmologist and 10 minutes after that the chunk of metal was out of my eye. I was back in my truck with an eye patch on and antibiotic drops in my pocket by 7:45.

On the way in and out the doors were opened for me and on the way out everyone said goodbye and told me to get well soon.

I was treated like a paying customer. NEVER was I treated like that in Canada and neither will any of my American friends once Obama care is in full swing.

It cost me about $200 cash, but I can get some of it back if I do a little paperwork for my insurance company, but had I requested to stay overnight it would have been covered 100%.

I LOVE THE PRIVATE SECTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DohcBikes]

^^^^^^^^When you were young did your parents ever consider putting you inside a bubble? Or having you wear a full face helmet and football pads 24/7?

[El Camexican]

^^^^^^^^When you were young did your parents ever consider putting you inside a bubble? Or having you wear a full face helmet and football pads 24/7?

Nope, Dad said scars built character and Mom was a nurse. Baby brother and sister paid attention to Mom as she cared for me and both grew up to be doctors.

[dmfaulks85]

She needs to be sent to a third world country for like 2 years

[El Camexican]

She needs to be sent to a third world country for like 2 years

I agree with you dmf, it's work or die up here in the North of Mexico. If you don't want to work you can go down South, or to the coast and live like a monkey. There is fruit everywhere and you can sleep under the stars, but cars, healthcare, education and such are nonexistent. Too many people have forgotten what our predecessors went through for us to live like we do today.

[CRAZY70MAN]

Timothy 6:10 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Sums up 99 % of the worlds problems from the Big Man above. No matter how much we complain, you will never stop greed....... Let's all go ride a trike then sit back and pop open a beer. Have a great day everyone....;);)