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Trapperchris
05-17-2014, 11:56 PM
Picked up a sweet little trike yesterday. It has not been running for the last ten years. I run diesel oil down the cylinder to make sure it was all nice and lubed. I got it running good now. It idles great. For some reason it will only run for 10-15 mins before heating up really bad. Looking for all the help I can get.

Thanks for your time

barnett468
05-18-2014, 09:10 AM
Howdy!

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check the ignition timing.

make sure you have the right heat range plug.

if it has the stock muffler, remove it and try it. it might be partially plugged. removing it will make it run slightly leaner also so pay attention to slight pinging sounds in the engine.

post a photo of the spark plug.

do a compression test with the throttle wide open.

you might have to remove the top end and inspect it. its possible someone bored it out really far which is extremely unlikely, or the piston might be partially seized.

these bikes never, ever, overheat in stock form.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the advice. Got the trike from the original owner and its 100% stock. I'll get a pic of the bike and the plug posted this afternoon.

barnett468
05-18-2014, 11:56 AM
ok cool, look forward to photos.

yank your muffler in the mean time if you can and tell us if it helps.

how do you know it's overheating?

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 02:18 PM
Well got the muffler pulled off and I put a air line into it and got no air flowing through. I knew it was over heating because the engine cover got so hot I could of fried a egg on it. Now I can't get the stupid thing to pump fuel. Thinking it needs a carb clean and I've never done one before:wondering.

barnett468
05-18-2014, 02:38 PM
Well got the muffler pulled off and I put a air line into it and got no air flowing through. I knew it was over heating because the engine cover got so hot I could of fried a egg on it. Now I can't get the stupid thing to pump fuel. Thinking it needs a carb clean and I've never done one before:wondering.

OMG...You killed it...you basta...

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heres a fuel pump photo. you can get nos parts in the link below.

http://www.xtremeusa.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Kawasaki/KLT200-A3_KLT200_(1982)/FUEL_PUMP/KLT200-A3-1982/070021C-7


you can check the suction hose going to the pump, it might have a crack. if the hose is good and it does have suction then your pump is likely bad. you can take off the hose that goes to the tank and put it in a can of gas to see if it will work or put your finger over the end of the hose from the tank while it is turning over and feel for suction. yiour tank might not be flowing, blow into the hose and listen for gas bubbles.

barnett468
05-18-2014, 02:47 PM
you should also put a small clear plastic filter on the line from the tank to the pump to trap any rust or other stuff in the tank. you can also tell if its pumping this way.

if you fill the carb from the fuel line then reconnect it to the pump, you might get it started at which point it might have enough vacuum to operate the pump. you can also try shooting starting fluod or flammable brake clesner or wd40 in the vcarb to see if you can get it goin.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 02:47 PM
That's easy to get at. I'll check if that's the problem. Personally I think it's in need of a carb clean but I don't know lol all I know is that the plug is dry when I checked. Lots of spark tho. Found that out the hard way :)

barnett468
05-18-2014, 02:57 PM
That's easy to get at. I'll check if that's the problem. Personally I think it's in need of a carb clean but I don't know lol all I know is that the plug is dry when I checked. Lots of spark tho. Found that out the hard way :)Well since it already ran fine it makes no sense to me that the carb is instantly bad for no reason the float would have to be stuck hard in the open position to prevent gas from entering it is highly unlikely the main jet would suddenly get plugged up.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 03:00 PM
Would I just spray WD-40 from the air cleaner box into the carb to break it loose? Yes I already put a filter on the line from the tank. So if I fill the line going to the carb it may run?

Thanks for all the help :)

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 03:02 PM
What's your email address? I'll email you a video of it running if you'd like.

barnett468
05-18-2014, 03:07 PM
What's your email address? I'll email you a video of it running if you'd like.

can you post it here or put it on youtube.com i do not have adobe flash player.

i actually did all the r and d development on thise a kawi so i'm kinda fond of them, lol.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 03:20 PM
Would Facebook work for you cause I can't post it on here cause its to large

barnett468
05-18-2014, 03:47 PM
i don't have faceplant. isn't it downloaded to a site you can post the link to?

i can pm you my email if you can't post a link here.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 03:49 PM
Yes please PM your email that's the fastest and easiest for me

Thanks

barnett468
05-18-2014, 04:32 PM
yes please pm your email that's the fastest and easiest for me

thankshello got the video but it won't play for me. Its youtube.com or nothing i guess.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 06:35 PM
Well that's odd....... Ill see if i can figure that out.

I pushed fuel into the fuel pump and she started right up. Drove it around for about 15 mins and it stopped again. Does that mean its the fuel pump? I pushed a little more fuel in after is stopped but I killed the battery before It fired

barnett468
05-18-2014, 06:45 PM
i don't have real player either so that might be it.

there might be a drain screw on the bottom of the carb. if there is you can open it next time it dies. let it dribble into a clear glass if just a dribble comes out the carb is dry. look at it. if there is debris in it there is rust or something in your tank. the carb is dry because the pump is weak or it is sucking up stuff from the tank. you need a filter so you can see what is going on better.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 07:24 PM
I've put on a little clear filter that runs from the tank to the fuel pump. When I turn it over I don't see any fuel movement in the filter. I've clean pumps on my ski-doos is this similar? If I take it apart and blow out all the "ports" (or what ever they are called lol) and wipe it up will it work again? That's if the gaskets are all good.

Trapperchris
05-18-2014, 10:33 PM
Got another question :) is there any way to make a bar or kicker to put on so I could use the kick start? And also would I hurt anything if I run er straight piped?

Thanks for the feed back

barnett468
05-19-2014, 05:56 AM
I've put on a little clear filter that runs from the tank to the fuel pump. When I turn it over I don't see any fuel movement in the filter. I've clean pumps on my ski-doos is this similar? If I take it apart and blow out all the "ports" (or what ever they are called lol) and wipe it up will it work again? That's if the gaskets are all good.

ho

i posted the link to the fuel pump. it shows how it is assemvled. if you take it apart a gasket might tear. not a good odea unless you have new ones on hand or don't mind waithing until you get some.

since it runs for a while when you prime it. i doubt the passages are clogged buyt sasnythings possible, its old.
o p

barnett468
05-19-2014, 06:31 AM
Got another question :) is there any way to make a bar or kicker to put on so I could use the kick start? And also would I hurt anything if I run er straight piped? Thanks for the feed back

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You're welcome. You can run it straight pipe until the police come I guess. I think there's some law in Canada against disturbing the Moose or Mooses or what ever the he_l you call em when there's more than one.

It just might need to be jetted around 1 richer in the main and pilot and have the needle raised 1 position if you are less than around 1000 ft elevation.


By the way, I've seen this stuff at the store, what's wrong with you Canadians, why don't you just leave the poor guys alone?


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Holy cr_p Barn...that's just sick...
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barnett468
05-19-2014, 06:47 AM
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FUEL PUMP - There is no filter in the tank. if you see no debris in the new filter you installed, the tank is clean and the pump is likely bad.

You can simply bypass the pump and buy a small $20.00 electric fuel pump from most auto stores or online from summit, amazon, oreillys or rock auto etc.. Below is one example.

http://www.amazon.com/Airtex-E8016S-Electric-Fuel-Pump/dp/B000C1LW0E/ref=sr_1_5/183-1520405-9361566?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1400496066&sr=1-5&keywords=universal+electric+fuel+pump



KICKSTARTER - They are no longer avail, however you can make one. simply buy an old one off ebay for an 80's 200 - 250 motorcycle then cut the splines off and make an arm and weld the splines too it.

http://www.xtremeusa.com/OEMpartfinder.htm#/Kawasaki/KLT200-A3_KLT200_(1982)/KICKSTARTER_MECHANISM/KLT200-A3-1982/070021B-13

Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 08:18 AM
Well we are 2000 feet above sea lever here so it should be fine.......And the plural or moose is just moose:lol:. We live far enough back in the bush no one will complain.

Also is there any way to get er patch just so I can have some fun ripping around today? It still seemed to get hot to me tho. Would it be ok if I Mixed just a little oil in the gas just to make sure it's getting enough? I pulled the filter off yesterday but don't have a new one yet. It looked good to me tho so I don't think it's blocking oil flow.

barnett468
05-19-2014, 08:54 AM
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Howdy!

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Well we are 2000 feet above sea lever here so it should be fine.maybe. if it has a hesitation as you accelerate, try raising the needle in the carb slide by lowering the clip two positions. DO NOT LOOSE IT.




It still seemed to get hot to me tho.Look at the plug also. If it looks nearly white it is lean which can cause it to run hot. It should look lite to medium tan. Make sure it has oil.

Does the top end rattle/knock loudly like a loose piston?

Does it turn over more slowly after it dies or anytime after you have been riding it?




And the plural or moose is just moose:lol:Yeah right, ok fine....Canadians. :rolleyes:




We live far enough back in the bush no one will complain.Yeah, I guess they won't hear the cries of the poor moose [plural] as your tossin em into the kettle to make veer out of em either.




Also is there any way to get er patch just so I can have some fun ripping around today?Why, so you can chase more moose [plural again] down to toss in your still?

Actually, none that I know of.




Would it be ok if I Mixed just a little oil in the gas just to make sure it's getting enough?Well, i've never done that, I suppose you could put around cap full oz of non synthetic automotive trans fluid or regular ol non synthetic engine oil with [or without] ZDDP..."The best anti wear agent ever developed.", into a full tank of gas.




I pulled the filter off yesterday but don't have a new one yet. It looked good to me tho so I don't think it's blocking oil flow.Do you mean you are driving it without an oil filter?


OMG...beer made from Moose [plural again]....I wonder what color that is.
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Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 09:10 AM
First off we don't make beer out of moose you goon :P we make hamburgers lol

The trike seems to turn over at the same rate warm as it does cold. I'm still running a filter in it just the old one tho. I took the bottom bowl of the carb yesterday and cleaned that part up. Not really sure how I would drop the float tho?? If its normal for the engine covers to get to hot to touch then its not heating up but I don't think that's normal? The filter I put on looks clean still so it's got to be the pump like you said. If I pull the line off the pump that runs to the carb would it pump gas if it was good??

Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 09:29 AM
Oh and the plug is a dark golden brown colour not silver

Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 09:36 AM
It seems like as soon as it warms up and then I turn it off and it won't start again till it cools off. Not sure why tho?

Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 09:43 AM
193779
Here's a pic of the old sucker. Cosmetically it's in perfect shape.

barnett468
05-19-2014, 11:05 AM
First off we don't make beer out of moose you goon :P we make hamburgers lolOh…ok…I guess I’ll just have some Moosehead Lager or maybe a Moose Drool Ale to go along with my tender, tasty, barbecued MOOSEBURGER!.

Do you guys make Pickled Moose Feet too or maybe ya just puts em in the freezer, pops em onto a stick and calls em a Moosesicle!


Oh…My…GOD! Ahhhh, ha, ha…
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The trike seems to turn over at the same rate warm as it does cold.This is a good sign.





I took the bottom bowl of the carb yesterday and cleaned that part up. Not really sure how I would drop the float tho??What do you mean “drop the float”?





If its normal for the engine covers to get to hot to touch then its not heating upOh they can definitely feel like they're hot enough to roast a side o’ Moose on em fer sure. :p





but I don't think that's normal?And you think eatin Mooseburgers and drinkin Moose beer is? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)





The filter I put on looks clean still so it's got to be the pump like you said. If I pull the line off the pump that runs to the carb would it pump gas if it was good??Yes, it should squirt like it just drank a six pack of Moosehead beer. :drool:





Oh and the plug is a dark golden brown colour not silver.Most xlnt, however, you should start with a new plug or try to wire brush the brown off of the existing one so you have a clean one to test with.





It seems like as soon as it warms up and then I turn it off and it won't start again till it cools off. Not sure why tho?Are you using the choke to restart?

What is your exact procedure[for starting, not for barbecuing your moose]?

You should drain the bowl like I SAID to see if it is simply out of gas. :rolleyes:



mmmm...Mooseburger...sounds yummy...wonder if it tastes like Chicken.
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Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 11:21 AM
Ok to start it I first pump full into the fuel pump, then I turn on the choke and it turns over 10-15 and finally fires up. As soon as it fires I flip the choke off and it runs as smooth as ever. Yes I turned the screw on the bottom of the carb and gas just ran out of it. Didn't catch any in a container yet but I'll try that today. After it warms up it won't start with or without the choke tho. Not sure what's up with that?

barnett468
05-19-2014, 11:42 AM
ok;

catch the gas. as i said, if only a little dribbles out. it is empty. if its like around 1 1/2 oz's of Moosehead Bourbon, it is not low on gas in the carb, however if it is NOT almost clear like 200 proof Moose alcohol, it is old gas or the tank has rust or old gas goo/tar in it from sitting.

turn it over and see if the pump squirts.

when its hot try to start with no choke and no throttle then look at plug.

if the plug is wet then it might be flooding.

if plug is dry then use 2.3rd throttle and look st plug.

if plug is dry use full choke and no throttle then look at plug.

if dry use full choke and 2/3rd throttle and look at plug if iut won't start.

if it is still dry dry the carb is low on fuel. yiu can try a little gas in the plug hole.

lay the plug on the head and look at the spark as you turn it over. lazy yellow is weak, pale blue is xlnt.

Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 12:03 PM
Ok just heading to the shop to give it a try!! I'll keep you posted ;)

Don't drink to much moose in the mean while :beer

barnett468
05-19-2014, 01:01 PM
Ok just heading to the shop to give it a try!! I'll keep you posted ;)Ok...just let us...well I guess me...know since I seem to be the only one that seems to care. :(




Don't drink to much moose in the mean while :drool:


Oh I care too because....I could care LESS. Ahhhh, ha, ha...Holy cr_p that's funny.
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barnett468
05-19-2014, 01:04 PM
POST CORRECTION

"I couldn't care less."

OMG...I crack me up!
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Trapperchris
05-19-2014, 01:53 PM
So I went to the shop and turned the key to see what would happen... Fired up right away. I drove it for a good hour and then it started acting up. Wasn't getting fuel. I have to hold the throttle all the way with the choke on to get it to go other wise it won't fire or run. Then I stopped it and opened opened the drain screw and that's all I got. Couple Tb spoons. So it's not pumping enough fuel.

P.S. that's farm fuel

barnett468
05-19-2014, 02:35 PM
ok i'll be back in a minute.

barnett468
05-19-2014, 02:53 PM
That cr_p looks like moose drool ale but i can's see how much is in it.

What octane is that?

Does it have ethanol corn liquor in it?


Still need the spark plug test and fuel pump flow/spewing test.


I would do the following also.

The following gas level test eliminates the need to check the float level and can be more accurate. It should also be done PRIOR to jetting.

GAS LEVEL - Check the actual gas level first by doing the following:

1. fill carb bowl thru hose.
2. get a small 10” long piece of clear plastic tube.
3. connect it to the float bowl drain fitting.
4. tape it to the carb with the open end even with the top of the carb.
5. open the gas valve on the tank and drain screw on the carb bowl.
6. the gas in the tube should be from even with the bottom of the main carb body to 3/16” below it. If it is outside this range, I would correct it.
7. close the screw and ride it for 5 minutes then open the screw and check the level.
8. close the screw and ride it until it dies then open the screw and check the level. if its lower than it was it is

If your gas level is high but you have plastic floats you might need a new float or possibly heat that one and bend it.

Also if the level is high it can cause big problems and you will likely never get it jetted properly.

MissPipeline
05-19-2014, 08:30 PM
That's a lot of reading. I don't know if I missed it or not. Did you rebuild the fuel pump? The have a diaphragm like a snowmobile fuel pump. We picked up a 200 a few years ago. Nice looking little machine. When we first tried to start it, the exhaust seemed restricted so, we gased on it and blew a giant wolf spider with nest out the end. Dang thing looked dead, but before I could get my kids over to look at it, it jumped up and ran under the toolbox never to be seen again. LOL!