View Full Version : Heinz 87: My 1987 LT250R
Just gotta share her. I'll get pics up in a bit but I'm EXCITED right now.
Weighed her earlier and it came in at 239.2 pounds wet. Stock is 324 pounds DRY! I'm STOKED!!!
1987 Suzuki LT250R:
Retired ice bike out of Michigan. Was raced from 87-93. Blew 87 cylinder in late 89 and was replaced with a port match 88 cylinder. Unknown porter.
Engine:
Mystery ported 88 jug (can't ID porting sig and original owner can't remember who did it,,, bummer)
69mm bore (262cc)
TM34
PSI pipe, DG Type II silencer
88+ flywheel
194lbs of compression after 2 years of hard running.
Runs 100LL/93 pump mixed with Golden Spectro @ 32:1.
Chassis:
Straight, uncracked 87 frame
NOS swinger, carrier and 24 spline axle
88 Quadzilla a-arms
Triple rate Works AT Steeler front shocks
Freshly rebuilt stock rear shock
YFZ450X rear hubs
Stock LT front hubs
LTZ400 front master cylinder with braided stainless front line.
(YFZ brake update planned for front and rear)
Steel AC Nerfs on old school purple (once I get the fitment issues figured out)
Wheels/Tires:
Front - 20x6-10 Maxxis Razr MX yellow label on stock D.I.D rims
Rear - 18x10-8 Maxxis Razr MX yellow label on HiPer CF3 dual beadlock rims.
Plastics:
Front - Cut unknown 2-piece skins
Rear - Old school Maier low pro's
Hood - stock 87 Zilla hood cut to fit
Seat - stock 85/86 straight seat pan/foam, CEET cover
Other junk:
In line digital temp gauge w/bar mounted read out
NOS radiator
Clipped throttle spring
13 / 36 gearing with D.I.D non-o ring chain
MSR bars
Lighting coil removed
Wiring harness stripped down
Tether kill switch
Mods to come:
SCP pipe/silencer (just to test it out. Think the PSI is gunna be better though)
Air box delete
PJ38 quad vent
I think that's about it,,,,,
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And here's it with the nerfs but like I said, fitment issues
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SUPERBEAST
06-20-2014, 09:34 PM
you should send that to Dr. Q
you should send that to Dr. Q
I talk to Doc on the regular. He doesn't believe that it weighed in at 239 and I'll admit it's a LOT of weight cut off it. But I can dead lift it myself and I'm not the strongest person on the world by NO means. So I'll be taking it to my local dirt track and see if the owner will let me weigh it on the cheaters scale just to confirm the true weight.
He's not the biggest fan of my bike because I've done stuff with it that "shouldn't be done" but it works, I've made it safe as hell, and it WORKS! Biggest thing. But oh well. I built it to please myself, and it does that (sounds pretty creepy to be honest) and I'm happy with it.
Plus,, I'm more than willing to claim it's one of the nastiest stock stroke/stock sleeve 250's there is. My next two engine builds though are a 285 big bore and I'm halfway through building a zilla mill for a YFZ clipped hybrid
SUPERBEAST
06-21-2014, 02:50 AM
Sounds like you have some cool stuff going on
How much does a stock quad racer 250 weigh? That sounds light
324# dry (no fuel, coolant, trans fluid)
SUPERBEAST
06-21-2014, 12:11 PM
Holy trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro yours is light compared to a stock machine
DohcBikes
06-21-2014, 03:39 PM
So I'll be taking it to my local dirt track and see if the owner will let me weigh it on the cheaters scale just to confirm the true weight. 239.2 lbs is a pretty precise measurement, how did you weigh it last time?
At 324 dry, stock, you are saying that you took roughly 100 lbs. off the bike. How did you accomplish such a weight savings?
A stock 83-85 200x weighs 282 lbs. Hard to believe that a 4 wheeler with all those extra parts would weigh 40 lbs less than a small sport trike.
Interesting thread.
239.2 lbs is a pretty precise measurement, how did you weigh it last time?
At 324 dry, stock, you are saying that you took roughly 100 lbs. off the bike. How did you accomplish such a weight savings?
A stock 83-85 200x weighs 282 lbs. Hard to believe that a 4 wheeler with all those extra parts would weigh 40 lbs less than a small sport trike.
Interesting thread.
Stood it on it's grab bar and weighed it on a scale with a piece of board to disperse the weight evenly.
I checked the scale vs the last time I was in the hospital (about 2 weeks ago) and in the hospital I was at 147lbs and on this scale I am at 152lbs (after weighing today)
ezmoney1979
06-21-2014, 07:43 PM
So the lighting coil and air box weighed a hundred pounds?
DohcBikes
06-21-2014, 08:03 PM
Stood it on it's grab bar and weighed it on a scale with a piece of board to disperse the weight evenly.
I checked the scale vs the last time I was in the hospital (about 2 weeks ago) and in the hospital I was at 147lbs and on this scale I am at 152lbs (after weighing today)Wow, that would mean this scale is reading heavy, if you are considering the hospital scale to be accurate. So that would also mean that this uber-quad would actually weigh LESS than 239 on the "accurate scale.
I'm gonna go to the closet and check, but I just don't think I have a pair of boots that high. If you could explain what mods it took to shed 100+ lbs on the bike then maybe the bowlshlt would be easier to walk through.....
Obviously your method is inaccurate. When you get it weighed on a good scale, take a picture of the reading. Otherwise a thread about how little it weighs, especially when claiming huge weight loss, is going attract skeptics.
Lets get a pic of the balancing act!!
So the lighting coil and air box weighed a hundred pounds?
Most have been the lighting coil,, air box is still on it for now LOL
There's a lot of stuff changed between stock and Heinz. The Zilla a-arms are lighter than the 250 arms, stock front shocks do weigh a bit more than aftermarket, stock rear hubs weigh about 3 pounds together so the YFZ-X rear hubs were a weight reduction,, rear rims/tires I can throw and catch with 2 fingers easily, the stock DID rims are kinda weighty. Dropping tire sizes helped with weight (especially when you consider the weight of the stock dunlap's vs Razr's), cut down fenders, removing fender supports (front and rear), the stock rear skid plate is all steel and the complete piece weighs about 5-6 pounds all together, cut down the front fenders (maybe about a pound removed there).
I know that's a LOT to claim but until I can prove myself wrong. LOL
For the time,, I suppose ignore the weight claim and just read the mod list and look at the pictures.
I'm gunna try and weigh it again soon for sure. Because if it IS 239 true. I'm probably gunna sheet myself.
DohcBikes
06-21-2014, 09:31 PM
Most have been the lighting coil,, air box is still on it for now LOLahhh there we go lol....
For the time,, I suppose ignore the weight claim and just read the mod list and look at the pictures. Will do. Looks good, and it does look fast.
Now don't let us down on that weight report! I think you'll be a bit disappointed but there's a really good reason as custom builders that we need to be honest with ourselves about what our projects weigh. It affects everything.
Claims are connected to reputation. :beer
Now don't let us down on that weight report! I think you'll be a bit disappointed but there's a really good reason as custom builders that we need to be honest with ourselves about what our projects weigh. It affects everything.
Why would I ever be disappointed with my machine? I'll have no problem with it if I'm wrong and I'll just start cutting off bracket I don't need and don't plan on ever using again like air box tabs once it is gone, stock brake line stabilizer mount thing for the stock hard lines, the head stay mount in the frame literally weighs 6 pounds. Literally 6 pounds of steel that adds no structural support and is just a blob on the underside of the back bone that is not needed.
DohcBikes
06-21-2014, 11:46 PM
If you have never been disappointed with your own machine then you are just loving it because its yours. I've owned dozens of disappointing bikes. Even built a couple. It comes with the territory. If you have not in your young career yet been disappointed by your own work, then keep trying.
Idk I look at it as if you're disappointed in something you built/rebuilt completely, then you should have done it different while it was happening.
Plus I just generally love working on bikes. I've seen stuff that other people have done that was disappointing. But I've yet to be disappointed in anything I've done. Of course I have yet to mess up with a bike build too.
Well,,,, I am kinda disappointed I didn't go with white plastics at first with this one. And I am disappointed I have waaaaayyyyy too much money in an ATC110 build but that's whatever.
Also, side note,,, here's a 92 LT250R with a Rob Madison 92 National's mill I'm building for a buddy for his 10 year old daughter.
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DohcBikes
06-22-2014, 10:36 AM
I don't know, I look at it as you are very young and obviously don't have any concept of humility.......
How's that 110 coming?
I don't know, I look at it as you are very young and obviously don't have any concept of humility.......
How's that 110 coming?
I look at it as you need to back off and remember that we all do this for the fun of it. Nothing's serious enough for you to need to be disappointed. I genuinely worry for you.
110 is coming along. Got front brake caliper mount made, heads finished, found some oversized valves for it. Now I just gotta find a true VM24 or 22 and it'll be ready to go back together and rock.
DohcBikes
06-22-2014, 11:20 AM
Words of wisdom from the enlightened I'm sure...
Some of us do this for the life of it. That's how some of us know your quad doesn't weigh 239 lbs.
I know you can't hear me over the voices telling you that you are just as knowledgeable as somebody thats been doing this for 20 years, and who does it every day as a means to pay the bills, not just have fun. So I WILL back off, with respect to your age and lack of ability to understand where I am coming from.
Best of luck with your hobby C.J
No I do understand where you're coming from.
I also do this to pay my bills. Cell phone, truck insurance, lights and cable/internet are all covered by my working on bikes. I still do it JUST to have fun. I don't get bent out of shape by other people over it like you do Mr. Delete-a-thread.
Sit back from the computer, go for a ride, and remember what you originally got into this sport/hobby for: The fun of it.
You CAN have fun with it.
You confused me with you 'disappointing bikes, disappointed builds' bit and I've been asking a BUNCH of people if they've ever been disappointed by anything they've built, even the "flops" and not a single person has. And I'm not talking just weekend warrior people either man.
You think I'm not listening to what you say and am just trying to argue with you,, I'm not. I'm just trying to figure out why you're all sideways about it. You're bitter over nothing.
Go for a ride, take a break, remember where your passion for the sport/hobby come from. THEN try and convince yourself you are disappointed in anything bike-related.
DohcBikes
06-22-2014, 02:35 PM
I've ridden my trike 3 times for a total of about twenty miles so far.
Today.
Although I do love my bike, there are several things I'm a little disappointed with, so I'm going to make them better. That's how it works.
zepol
06-23-2014, 02:54 AM
nice LT I got its big bro the Zilla.. it finally gave up on me last week when out riding
Finally got my nerfs on and the Cancilla chain tensioner
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I also got an aftermarket frame for it
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92 JP Outlaw chassis. I've got the +2 chromoly no-link swingarm and the PEP no-link shock as well as a stock 86 ATC-R swingarm but they aren't in the picture.
92 JP Outlaw hybrid (in progress)
87 LT265R (not much left stock)
bad to the bone
12-20-2014, 12:10 PM
wheres that suzuki four wheeler to a three wheeler project?
wheres that suzuki four wheeler to a three wheeler project?
On the back burner. I'm just going to build/have a frame built that will take an LT engine and ATC running gear.
For now I'm building another custom LT frame.
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92 JP Outlaw hybrid (in progress)
87 LT265R (not much left stock)
KIM 501
02-07-2015, 06:32 AM
not having 2 stroke except for snowblower I wanted some opinions on a 85 quadracer 250r with a 310 kit in nice condition
nd4speed
02-08-2015, 06:29 PM
Never had a 85/86 LT250R and didnt like the thought of them with the reeds under the cylinder, I replaced reeds more than anything. Also the swingarms on them always broke. Dont think front a-arms are the same, but not sure.
I had an 89 LT for a long time and eventually put a 86 RM250 cylinder on it. I never did anything but top ends and water pump seals and clutch plates/basket. Never broke down or let me down.
Depends on the price, if it is like $800 or less, than no way. My friend bought nearly stock one 88-90 for $850 and needed $200 in top end work .020 over, water pump seal. Very nice clean original.
nd4speed
02-08-2015, 06:38 PM
Oh and a 310 kit? never heard of it. Big bore kits were not common at all for any LT.
I love when someone thinks a .060" over bore on the cylinder makes 250cc plus 60cc =310cc. Thats the biggest joke scam or ignorance in the used toy market. You should always buy based on the fact you have no way to verify or believe the seller unless they are a personal friend of sound mind.
My friend bought his from a guy he worked with and I was there when he bought it and the guy said the top end was done. I said "you have proof?". He produced papers showing stock bore piston purchase. He also said the head dome had custom swirl cut. The head gasket was leaking. When I pulled the head off, I found he was a total hack and took some sort of dremel grinding bit the the head dome and massacred it. I was pissed. And fired that crap right into the trash. Fortunately for my friend I was parting mine out so I just gave him my parts. The piston was stock size but in an egg shaped bore. So that was totally stupid cheap choice too.
You never know until you crack the motor open.
KIM 501
02-09-2015, 07:16 AM
said it was bored to 310 new seals and bearings piston and rings, quote faster than 450r,willkeep up with 700raptor =is that possible wants over 2,000
Trinity made a "310" Kir for the 87-92 LT's back in the day but none for the first gen.
You can't bore them to a 310 either. You've got to stroke AND have a custom sleeve installed.
They CAN be faster than a 450, but it needs a LOT of port work, a VERY good pipe, and at that point it's just a top end/dune engine that's gunna suck on the bottom end.
BUT,, he's more than likely talking out his arse. $1000 if it runs. I wouldn't trust what he claims is done to it.
92 JP Outlaw hybrid (in progress)
87 LT265R (not much left stock)
KIM 501
02-09-2015, 03:26 PM
thank you for the opinions wants 2800.00
Do you have pictures of it?
92 JP Outlaw hybrid (in progress)
87 LT265R (not much left stock)
nd4speed
02-10-2015, 02:11 AM
said it was bored to 310 new seals and bearings piston and rings, quote faster than 450r,willkeep up with 700raptor =is that possible wants over 2,000
$2000 !! If I were u, I would stay away from that guy.
KIM 501
02-10-2015, 06:06 AM
has relisted couple times # 251821680936 ebay Brodheadsville pa
It actually looks pretty solid but is definitely not a 310. AAEN pipes for the first gen are super hard to find. It's worth about 2000-2500. I'd offer 18 and work from there
92 JP Outlaw hybrid (in progress)
87 LT265R (not much left stock)
KIM 501
02-10-2015, 08:02 PM
CJ sorry if I stepped on your post thank you for all your info
nd4speed
02-11-2015, 03:32 AM
2895$ and no headlight. I see absolutely nothing special about that quad. A pipe?
There was a 87-90 that just sold here in Detroit that was clean and original. They were asking $2100 on craigs.
You can buy quadzilla 500s for $2900 easily here in Michigan. Just drive on over.
An 86:
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/snw/4878414956.html
87-90:
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/snw/4857711347.html
http://saginaw.craigslist.org/snw/4865014587.html
http://lansing.craigslist.org/snw/4868582320.html
Here's what $2900 gets you around Detroit:
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/snw/4842396308.html
http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bar/4849185806.html
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/rvs/4860528053.html
Headlights aren't common to see on LT's because they are so ugly lol
In my area, that first gen would sell for about 2000 if it ran and rode and had all new pivot bearings/ball joints.
A clean and original LT isn't worth as much as modded ones either, unless you're a collector that doesn't plan on riding it, because there are some reliability mods that have to be done to them.
92 JP Outlaw hybrid (in progress)
87 LT265R (not much left stock)
nd4speed
02-12-2015, 02:17 AM
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