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Caminofeld
08-15-2014, 12:40 PM
I'm sure everyone has heard about the situation in Missouri by now...

Watching the news this morning and they're talking about the rioting, looting, and associated criminal activity like it's expected and excusable...and talking about Police brutality because they used NON-LETHAL means to disperse an angry mob that was throwing rocks, molotov cocktails, and even shooting at them. I can't believe how certain parts of society think that it's appropriate to hurt/kill someone or ruin someone's business/livelihood because they're upset. IMHO I think the Police showed a great deal of restraint in the face of potentially lethal activity directed towards them while they are trying to protect the community...all over a situation that hasn't even been fully investigated yet. Then the "general public" is outraged because the Officer's name hasn't been released yet...even though the department as a whole and other Police Officers in the area have been receiving death threats. The only fact of the whole case is that there is one reliable witness...who has suffered numerous facial injuries from the assault that led to him shooting an unarmed person. Guess what: When an Officer is confronted by multiple attackers his life is in danger...and if he gives up his weapon then other innocent people could be hurt or killed. I wasn't there, but it sounds like he did what he had to in order to protect himself and the public...and it sounds like the rest of the PD are doing exactly what they are supposed to by protecting the community as a whole. I know there are some bad cops out there, but it's unfair to just assume that every time a white cop shoots a black person that it is a racial injustice. The only "eyewitness" reports were from people involved in the incident who could quite possibly be exaggerating or lying to avoid prosecution or for publicity.

What's even more disturbing is that now reports of racially motivated assaults directly related to this situation are coming in from major cities all over the US. Rather than using their reporting and influence to quell the situation, it seems the media is sensationalizing/exaggerating everything and making it worse.

Sorry for the rant, I just can't stand that this behavior is considered "normal" and nobody is putting any blame on the criminals using the situation as an excuse to do whatever they please under the guise of being an "oppressed minority expressing outrage over another case of racial injustice" (CNN news)...Just like the looting, killing, and raping during Katrina and the Rodney King riots.

And just so nobody thinks I'm being "racist", I share the same disdain for soccer hooligans and the Canadians who rioted over losing a stupid hockey game.

Joseph Farrow
08-15-2014, 03:23 PM
What we need is "Real Change". Not Obama change......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_RpVSjr6w

6speedthumper
08-15-2014, 06:02 PM
This is only getting worse. If Obama were a man, and a leader, he'd get up in front of all his black brothers and sisters, and tell them all to grow up and move on. Instead, he says completely stupid things like, "that could have been me", when discussing the Treyvon Martin case. No, that "couldn't have been you" Mr. Obama. You are not an undereducated juvenile delinquent, that is coveedr with tattoos and wearing gang colors. Him saying that is no different then me saying it, when I don't lead the same life that Treyvon was leading. Regardless of my color.

I live in an area where there are a lot of black people. I'd venture to guess that 65% are on some sort of government assistance, and look for free services everywhere they go. A friend of ours told us a story yesterday about a small convenience store/gas station, owned and operated by an Indian man. A black person came in and used his EBT card to pay with. The Indian fellow asked (innocently) what type of card was it. The black man replied, "it's a government card." "Government card?" the Indian man asked. "Yeah," says the black man, "I'm entitled to it because the white man owes me for what they did to my ancestors." Are you freakin serious! That crap ended 150 years ago, and YOUR ancestors were sold to the whites BY YOUR OWN PEOPLE!!!! So guess what, the were owned, therefore were made to work. They were given a roof over their head, clothes on their back, and food in their stomachs. At the end of their servitude they were freed, and many given a tract of land. Heck, even during the Revolutionary War any black man that fought for the United States was given his freedom in exchange for fighting for the rebels.

They literally have everything handed to them, and yet they still cry that they are not being treated as equals. Well, if you'd grow up and evolve like the rest of the human race, maybe we would treat you like equals instead of the Baboons having sh!t fights in the streets, that you are. Slavery ended 150 years ago, you fought for your civil rights in the 60's, and won. You have the same opportunities as anyone else, of ANY race, in this nation. Yet you decide to pop out babies, collect WIC, Welfare, and government aid because you feel that you are owed something. Sounds to me like you have it pretty G-D good to me.

In regards to any situation that involves a white person killing a black person, they immediately cry racism. And get away with it! How many times have white people been killed by black people, and the white race riots in the streets, cries racism, and goes on a rampage??? None that I can think of in time I've been on this earth!! And, if the whites did just that, it'd be such a big "no no" because we'd be seen as being still so racist against the blacks. Do you think a white person could go to court after getting stopped by a black police officer, and claim that the officer singled him out because he is white, and therefore the officer was being racist? He!l no, that wouldn't work at all. If anything, the white person would get some additional charges slapped against him. But alas, it is a one way street. Black people get away with it all the time.

If the whites are so bad, why not go back to Africa?? After all, it's YOUR native land. I hear the genocide over there would probably be child's play for the getto gang thugs! You've got it damn good here in this country, but you still expect the whites to kiss your as$es. Incase you haven't noticed, the whites are now the minority, and no one from the time of slavery is alive. Black or white, they are all dead and buried. No one has any idea of what that time of our country was like. No one. No damn history book can teach you what the first hand experiences were like during our countries infancy.

Even though our country is no longer in it's infancy, there are still some not so good people out there that use slave labor of illegal immigrants. You want in the country illegally, no problem! For you to do that, all you need to do is sign your life away for about ten years, working in a sweat shop, living in filth, and you can be in the USA. Wow! Talk about a deal in a half!

In closing, I was not brought up a racist, or to disrespect black people, or anyone for that matter. If someone is genuinely a hard working, respectful, well spoken, good person, they have my respect no matter their race. However, with the people I have to deal with where I live (hopefully not living here that much longer) I have been quickly becoming a racist. I have no more tolerance for these people. I am not kissing your rear end. I am not doing work for you for free, simply because you try to finagle a free service because you are "entitled". My tolerance for anyone that is ignorant, a free loader, or just an a-hole is at an all time low. Hopefully I can manage to get out of this place before race riots start.

DohcBikes
08-15-2014, 06:21 PM
^^^ Now there's some racism. Pathetic rant 6speed. Hopefully somebody erases that trash. I won't quote the blatant racism because I don't want to repeat it.

Scootertrash
08-15-2014, 06:42 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/heres-the-surveillance-video-allegedly-showing-michael-browns-robbery/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-say-michael-brown-fit-description-strong-arm-robbery-suspect/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-releasing-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/

Apparently Mr. Brown (the victim) was allegedly involved in a "strong arm" robbery just prior to his encounter with the pooolice. Reports say that Brown was not involved with police as a suspect in the robbery, but only the cops knew that, Brown didn't. (put your common sense thinking caps on kiddies ;) ) Now, if you had just robbed a store and were walking down the street and the cops stopped you what would you be thinking? Oh sh!t!!! they caught me!!! His buddy being the only witness, that was possibly with him for the robbery, is the one telling us what "really" happened??

I also read that Mr. Brown weighed in at 6'3 290 lbs. Not a small man by any stretch.

Now that this has come out, I give it a day or two before the " Mah beeby was ternin hiz life around! He jus gots a job and was goonna git his GED so he could play football in skool and gits a skolarship"

Here is a quote from one of the stories:

"I am incensed," Laura Keys, 50, told The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "I can't believe this is the tactic they are using, bringing up a robbery to make the victim look like he was the person who created this whole mess." Right there is your W--T--F?????

I also heard that a lady called in to a radio show and said that the victim was going for the officers gun to make sure the cop didn't shoot him. http://theunleashedreviewboard.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/umwhat.gif

Mosh
08-15-2014, 07:02 PM
I work with the public everyday selling service. I can honestly say that color or race is all subjective to how a person acts. We have muslim indians that will beat the snot out of an estimate for hours to get a lower quote. We have white people that do the same but do not have their priorities straight at all...ie fix a radio before they will fix their bald tires and ready to fall out ball joints. We have colored people that just go with the flow and pay the bill no questions asked.

But......I can honesy say that there is far more colored folks come in driving a 2011 car that get a government assisted check to do a 400$ brake job on the tax payers bill. Then they come in on a state of the art 4x6" cell phone decked head to toe in designer clothes and adorned with 1000's $ in tattoos.
Does this make them bad people? Maybe not. But more than any other ethnic culture I work with , they overwhelmingly get more help than anybody from outside sources.
Then they drive home to the govt subsidized housing that is neatly manicured , plowed and upkept on taxpayer funds. All this while I see other folks come in and out with a 1998 buick century that we hold checks for the repairs.:

If certain ethnicity's want to be respected and treated as equals then their community as a whole needs to set a marginally better example. Just like 2 trike riders can ruin being welcome to a track or park over belligerent behavior so can a small portion of ethnics do for their entire race.
It is rampant in any genre of people. Most of it goes back to piss poor parenting which can largely be attributed to a corporate greed driven society that forces over stressed parents to divorce or get hooked on drugs or just generally work themselves sick to make ends meet...all while the dengenrate kids get nkno correction and are taught to be selfish punks by a effd up media system.

fabiodriven
08-15-2014, 08:04 PM
Most of it goes back to piss poor parenting which can largely be attributed to a corporate greed driven society that forces over stressed parents to divorce or get hooked on drugs or just generally work themselves sick to make ends meet...all while the dengenrate kids get nkno correction and are taught to be selfish punks by a effd up media system.

That is hitting the nail on the head Rob.

I am by no means racist, however, there is a certain ethnicity that has time and time again shown to me over my 34 years that they are indeed selfish, greed driven, rude, crude, incompassionate animals. That doesn't mean they all get judged by me right off the bat, everyone has a chance with me regardless of race, creed, or sex. It just so happens that there is a pattern of those who continually disappoint me as human beings. Using the lawful death of a person of their own race as an excuse to steal, smash, pillage, and rape completely innocent people tells you the nature of these people. They are animals IMO, but not all of them. Just a large portion, again, from my own personal experience. It's just unfortunate for those people of color who get a bad rap because of their brothers and sisters.

I can't speak to this particular event at all, as the most I know of it is from Bryan's thread and this one. I've said before, I don't watch the news. Someone did mention the media doing a helluva job of spinning this and possibly even being compassionate. Is anyone surprised by this? Just a hint, because 99% of you haven't figured this out yet- The TV and radio are mind control and tell you what to think and do have major influence on you, your actions, and everyone around you, especially the news. Facebook is no good for people either, very few social media sources are. You all would be amazed at what you can think when you're at the controls.

So now instead of being consumed by this event that 99.9% of you can have absolutely no effect on whatsoever, what say you go do some gardening, or have a beer with the neighbor, or throw a wrench on the trike, or go outside and pick some flowers for your 'ol lady and maybe even give her a massage (then the pickle tickle), or go for a hike, or surprise your kid with a trip to the ice cream stand, or fire off a doobie and laugh with your buddies, or watch a lecture on quantum physics, or call an old friend, or go fishing, or flush your government approved chemicals not fit for human consumption down the terlett, or do a maniacal road trip on a street legal trike, or go to the beach, or something that you can enjoy, and pay attention while you're doing it. People are trained to be consumed by the negative and they don't even realize it, then they're too jaded to enjoy the good times. Your government wants you to be concerned about this and watch their perpetual coverage as it vomits out of the idiot box, all the while drilling into your head that you have "restless leg syndrome" so you should get some pills for that, and you have a sudden urge for processed meat accented with chemicals, or that you need a new car, which you probably do because everything now is built with a "shutter life" (Google it) instead of being built to last like things used to be made in America. Take the phone out of your face and realize that life is happening right in front of you. If you currently have riot gear on, or if your home is being pillaged, or if your car is being flipped on its roof, then you should by all means be concerned with what is happening, well, wherever right now (I don't know where this is going on). If it doesn't involve you, be what the people who are involved with wish they could be- Be someone who doesn't need to be concerned.

6speedthumper
08-15-2014, 08:22 PM
^^^ Now there's some racism. Pathetic rant 6speed. Hopefully somebody erases that trash. I won't quote the blatant racism because I don't want to repeat it.


Please, tell me how it is pathetic. Please, tell me what is untrue about what goes on today. Please, tell me why I should not be fed up with any people that fall into these categories, regardless of their race.

If you read my last paragraph you'd have clearly read that I was not raised a racist, but that I am quickly becoming one. I am not proud of that by any means, but it is the category that I am beginning to fall under because of how I fell. And it's not just racism against the blacks, there are plenty of white people that I just don't have the tolerance for anymore. The area I live in has become a very government assisted area, and people of all races are looking for their entitlement. I don't know where you live, so maybe you don't have to deal with these things day in and day out like I have. And, for the record, I am only one of many people that are fed up with all I stated above. There are plenty of times I have conversations with friends and customers every week about this very subject(s). Just to be clear, several of those customers are black and are just as displeased with the behavior of others. Additionally, I do have friends that come from different back grounds and races. Did I not say that if someone is genuinely a good, hard working, respectful, well spoken, down to earth, honest person, that they have my respect?? I have not hesitated to defend a "non white person", nor will I in the future, if it is someone that I am on good terms with. So, am I truly racist? Or just someone sick and tired of certain people? What about the story I shared? That actually did happen, it's not a fictional story, it's a true account. I suppose that fellow with the EBT card wasn't being racist.


Once again, in closing, I have NEVER before in my life felt the way I do now. I don't go around openly sharing my views and opinions. I don't go to clan meetings. I don't have a white sheet with hood. I don't start confrontations with a group of African Americans blasting their rap music by blasting Metallica, or Skynard, or Country, etc... Come to the area I live in, spend a few weeks or more, and experience these things for yourself.

6speedthumper
08-15-2014, 08:27 PM
This is hitting the nail on the head.

I am by no means racist, however, there is a certain ethnicity that has time and time again shown to me over my 34 years that they are indeed selfish, greed driven, rude, crude, incompassionate animals. That doesn't mean they all get judged by me right off the bat, everyone has a chance with me regardless of race, creed, or sex. It just so happens that there is a pattern of those who continually disappoint me as human beings. Using the lawful death of a person of their own race as an excuse to steal, smash, pillage, and rape completely innocent people tells you the nature of these people. They are animals IMO, but not all of them. Just a large portion, again, from my own personal experience. It's just unfortunate for those people of color who get a bad rap because of their brothers and sisters.

I can't speak to this particular event at all, as the most I know of it is from Bryan's thread and this one. I've said before, I don't watch the news. Someone did mention the media doing a helluva job of spinning this and possibly even being compassionate. Is anyone surprised by this? Just a hint, because 99% of you haven't figured this out yet- The TV and radio are mind control and tell you what to think and do have major influence on you, your actions, and everyone around you, especially the news. Facebook is no good for people either, very few social media sources are. You all would be amazed at what you can think when you're at the controls.

So now instead of being consumed by this event that 99.9% of you can have absolutely no effect on whatsoever, what say you go do some gardening, or have a beer with the neighbor, or throw a wrench on the trike, or go outside and pick some flowers for your 'ol lady and maybe even give her a massage (then the pickle tickle), or go for a hike, or surprise your kid with a trip to the ice cream stand, or fire off a doobie and laugh with your buddies, or watch a lecture on quantum physics, or call an old friend, or go fishing, or flush your government approved chemicals not fit for human consumption down the terlett, or do a maniacal road trip on a street legal trike, or go to the beach, or something that you can enjoy, and pay attention while you're doing it. People are trained to be consumed by the negative and they don't even realize it, then they're too jaded to enjoy the good times. Your government wants you to be concerned about this and watch their perpetual coverage as it vomits out of the idiot box, all the while drilling into your head that you have "restless leg syndrome" so you should get some pills for that, and you have a sudden urge for processed meat accented with chemicals, or that you need a new car, which you probably do because everything now is built with a "shudder life" (Google it) instead of built to last like things used to be made in America. Take the phone out of your face and realize that life is happening right in front of you. If you currently have riot gear on, or if your home is being pillaged, or if your car is being flipped on its roof, then you should by all means be concerned with what is happening, well, wherever right now (I don't know where this is going on). If it doesn't involve you, be what the people who are involved with wish they could be- Be someone who doesn't need to be concerned.


I dig everything you said here, Fabio.

El Camexican
08-15-2014, 10:23 PM
To watch the crowds rally around the memory of this POS and demand fair treatment from law enforcement is a joke. Do they believe that Big Mike was some sort of pillar of his community? What Big Mike was is a product of this same rioting community; a rotten, lawless, entitled POS with no respect for his fellow man, in short a bipedal animal. Watch the tape of Big Mike doing his thing at the legal age of 18 just before the was shot and try to imagine him surrendering like a helpless child when he was shot.

My thoughts are with Officer Wilson and his family.

350for350
08-15-2014, 11:14 PM
I don't have to deal with all of this every day living in my rural area. I do try to judge people by their merits, but I have a hard time with kids who haven't heard of suspenders and go around with their pants hanging half way off. Other things like that make me judge someone before I even talk to them. Like 6speed, I wasn't raised as a racist. I, too, am feeling that way more and more all the time. What gets me is some one like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton on tv telling everyone who will listen that I am racist because I'm white and I have wronged black people everywhere! Just like Trayvon Martin's family, Michael Brown's family is asking for the violence to stop. They are not condoning this at all. From what I've heard, the rioters and looters aren't even from Ferguson. They just go there to cause problems. As for their actions, there's no way at all that what they're doing can help their "cause". Why are people "protesting" in different cities? How can that help? Can they influence what goes on in Ferguson? NO! As for the police, if I had an angry mob in front of me, I'd want riot gear, armored vehicles (not tanks like some try to claim), semi-automatic weapons, and anything else I think may help to save my life or my fellow officers" lives.

6speedthumper
08-16-2014, 12:01 AM
I don't have to deal with all of this every day living in my rural area. I do try to judge people by their merits, but I have a hard time with kids who haven't heard of suspenders and go around with their pants hanging half way off. Other things like that make me judge someone before I even talk to them. Like 6speed, I wasn't raised as a racist. I, too, am feeling that way more and more all the time. What gets me is some one like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton on tv telling everyone who will listen that I am racist because I'm white and I have wronged black people everywhere! Just like Trayvon Martin's family, Michael Brown's family is asking for the violence to stop. They are not condoning this at all. From what I've heard, the rioters and looters aren't even from Ferguson. They just go there to cause problems. As for their actions, there's no way at all that what they're doing can help their "cause". Why are people "protesting" in different cities? How can that help? Can they influence what goes on in Ferguson? NO! As for the police, if I had an angry mob in front of me, I'd want riot gear, armored vehicles (not tanks like some try to claim), semi-automatic weapons, and anything else I think may help to save my life or my fellow officers" lives.


It really does suck that we are feeling as we are about people. Oh yeah, two of the biggest bigots right there, Sharpton and Jackson, and the black community looks up to them like they are gods. It's okay for them, or any black person, to shout/say/speak racial obscenities at/to/about white people, but that too is a one way street. Ever watch black stand up comics? LOADS of racial "jokes" about white people. Most of certain black comedians skit involves it and it makes me sick. Those that cry racist, generally are racist. Otherwise, why would you cry it?

You mentioned the rioting and protesting in different cities. It reminds me of the Treyvon case (again) when the blacks were protesting "anti-white" signs and other things related to white people, because of his death. To top it off, Zimmerman wasn't even Caucasian! At least, not completely. Kinda makes you feel their view point is anyone not black, is white... And therefore are against African Americans. Another thing that happened about the same time as the Treyvon trial was a married white couple that was shot to death by several black men, while exiting a mall in New Jersey. Never did I see the white community rallying, or better yet, Obama addressing the nation by saying, "that could have been Michelle and I." Interesting isn't it? He can speculate that he could have been Treyvon, but he and Michelle couldn't have been that poor married, white, couple in Jersey... Now, maybe that's reading too much into it, but, I honestly believe had the couple been black, it's highly probable he could have said that.

I just wish everyone could grow up and move past it all. Still amazes me we are the dominant species on earth.

Joseph Farrow
08-16-2014, 12:43 AM
Jessie Jackson Al Sharpton and the NAACP make us a Racist. :mad:

aldochina
08-16-2014, 12:30 PM
exactly!!^^^ What a poor inocent minority child!! I can now see why everyone is so very upset. He was surely well on his way to being a contributing member of society! Man, what a racial injustice!!

Dirtcrasher
08-17-2014, 01:46 PM
Please, tell me how it is pathetic. Please, tell me what is untrue about what goes on today. Please, tell me why I should not be fed up with any people that fall into these categories, regardless of their race.

If you read my last paragraph you'd have clearly read that I was not raised a racist, but that I am quickly becoming one. I am not proud of that by any means, but it is the category that I am beginning to fall under because of how I fell. And it's not just racism against the blacks, there are plenty of white people that I just don't have the tolerance for anymore. The area I live in has become a very government assisted area, and people of all races are looking for their entitlement. I don't know where you live, so maybe you don't have to deal with these things day in and day out like I have. And, for the record, I am only one of many people that are fed up with all I stated above. There are plenty of times I have conversations with friends and customers every week about this very subject(s). Just to be clear, several of those customers are black and are just as displeased with the behavior of others. Additionally, I do have friends that come from different back grounds and races. Did I not say that if someone is genuinely a good, hard working, respectful, well spoken, down to earth, honest person, that they have my respect?? I have not hesitated to defend a "non white person", nor will I in the future, if it is someone that I am on good terms with. So, am I truly racist? Or just someone sick and tired of certain people? What about the story I shared? That actually did happen, it's not a fictional story, it's a true account. I suppose that fellow with the EBT card wasn't being racist.


Once again, in closing, I have NEVER before in my life felt the way I do now. I don't go around openly sharing my views and opinions. I don't go to clan meetings. I don't have a white sheet with hood. I don't start confrontations with a group of African Americans blasting their rap music by blasting Metallica, or Skynard, or Country, etc... Come to the area I live in, spend a few weeks or more, and experience these things for yourself.

Don't sweat it, Massachusetts gives a TON of it's residence SSI, SSDI, free phone, or cash twice a month. Most of them claim to be "stressed" and cannot work with people or "Bipolar" again, free ride. Stay home in your nest all day watching Maurey, Jerry, Steve, etc etc. PATHETIC!!
At least they'll never have a house, oh snap!! I forgot "FREE HOUSING" in all these nice buildings they just finished.....

DC

6speedthumper
08-17-2014, 02:43 PM
Don't sweat it, Massachusetts gives a TON of it's residence SSI, SSDI, free phone, or cash twice a month. Most of them claim to be "stressed" and cannot work with people or "Bipolar" again, free ride. Stay home in your nest all day watching Maurey, Jerry, Steve, etc etc. PATHETIC!!
At least they'll never have a house, oh snap!! I forgot "FREE HOUSING" in all these nice buildings they just finished.....

DC


Nah, I've cooled off, lol. It's funny how you used their BS claim of being "stressed" as an example, because it reminded me of what happened to someone I know. A friend of ours has a son that runs a small engine repair shop, so he sees all walks of life coming through the door. Earlier this week, a customer came it to pick up his ride on mower. And, yes, he was black. He asked to take the mower, without paying, because his disability check had not come in yet. Seeing that he had no outward signs of a physical disability, our friend asked him what he suffered from. He said that he was diabetic (which is a manageable problem, and people can still go to work, etc). We'll our friend went off on him about it. Now he didn't do that because this guy was black. He did it because this guy was using diabetes as a crutch (probably from all that McDonald's) so he can sit on his lazy ass and get hand outs. The other reason he went off on this guy is that he has suffered with A.S. for nearly fifty years now. His rib cage is completely fused together, meaning he does not get a full breath of air because his lungs don't have the room to expand because his ribs don't float. The arthritis in his left hand is so bad three of his fingers do not completely close, so he cannot grip many things with it. His right arm does not fully extend at the elbow anymore. All but 2 vertebrate are fused. He has to turn his whole body to see things at his sides because his head cannot turn but maybe an inch to either side. It takes him almost 2 hours to get ready to leave the house in the mornings. To get out of bed, he has to roll on his stomach, swing his legs out, and slowly eases himself down to his knees where he can get his back straight, then has to stand up. All that takes ten minutes, or more, to do. All that being said, he gets up at 5am everyday, and goes to work down in his son's small engine shop. He has not filed for disability, and doesn't ask for help. It says a lot about this man, but, it also says a lot about the guy claiming he's disabled due to diabetes.

DohcBikes
08-17-2014, 02:44 PM
6speed, I agree with most of what you said, as well as most of what everybody else here said. There are some very intelligent quotes and posts on the thread.

But. There are certain things that tip people off to your inner feelings. When a person is explaining things with good reasoning, as you were, there is no positive effect to including a statement such as this......


Well, if you'd grow up and evolve like the rest of the human race, maybe we would treat you like equals instead of the Baboons having sh!t fights in the streets, that you are. .

You wouldn't say that twice where I'm from, and you wouldn't say it once in a group of "Baboons". No, you would not. This is one of the reasons the president you all loathe is in office.


The other statement I am not fond of is an ignorant one. In other words, you know the answer to your own question, but you are asking it anyway, ignoring the facts.



if the whites are so bad, why not go back to Africa?? After all, it's YOUR native land.Hey 6speed, What's your native land? If blacks are so bad, why don't you go back?

IN CLOSING....you said yourself that you are becoming a racist. I agree.
:beer

6speedthumper
08-17-2014, 03:12 PM
The first statement of mine you quoted is actually a very good one. Up until I stuck my foot in my mouth and equated them to Baboons having sh1t fights. But, in a way, them rioting in Ferguson does resemble that. I know they're not the only group of beings that do that, though. The riots over sports are just as bad, just as stupid. And, in all honesty, seeing a bunch of Hockey fans rioting, I'd most likely compare them to lice attacking a person's scalp (because Hockey has always been seen as a white mans sport). On a side note, I live for jokes/joking, so that is something I would say to make a certain persons laugh.

My second statement you quoted, is a rhetorical question, because, as you said, I do know the answer. We all ask these questions. You asking me pretty much the same question, can be taken literal or rhetorical. And, no, I was not ignoring the facts. Those facts are probably the same facts as to why I don't go back to where my family is from (Ireland, if you or anyone that must know).

El Camexican
08-17-2014, 04:27 PM
I see Eric Holder is sticking his nose into yet another local affair while he ignores things like the IRS issue that actually does fall under his job description, but I guess that's just what you do when you have guys like Sharpton and Jackson as buddies.
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Caminofeld
08-18-2014, 12:16 PM
Thank you all for contributing to this thread, it's really great to see the dialogue unfold the way it has. I'm also glad to see that the NG has been called in to restore order (which I believe should have been done far earlier when the Police couldn't safely and effectively control the situation). It just sucks that everyone (including POTUS) has felt the need to handle the situation with kid gloves. As a leader and a voice that the angry folks in that town would actually listen to, I feel that Obama could have used his powerful speaking skills (I'm not a fan AT ALL, but I'll be the first to admit that the dude can throw down a speech) to talk some sense into these people...or maybe even cut his vacation short and made a personal appearance. I also am starting to see some media sway in the wake of further rioting and violence towards the idea that these actions are inexcusable and there should be repercussions.

I know that a 3 wheeler forum is the last place these things should be discussed, but it's healthier to vent here than go out and loot a liquor store:)

Caminofeld
08-18-2014, 01:23 PM
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/08/two-businesses-ferguson-get-looted-can-guess/

Just a quick reply to the people questioning "Why would anyone ever need a 30 round magazine". Great story with a happy ending...Responsible citizens were prepared and showed responsible use of firearms...the threat was evident and would-be thieves were deterred without a shot being fired.

6speedthumper
08-18-2014, 03:33 PM
Thank you all for contributing to this thread, it's really great to see the dialogue unfold the way it has. I'm also glad to see that the NG has been called in to restore order (which I believe should have been done far earlier when the Police couldn't safely and effectively control the situation). It just sucks that everyone (including POTUS) has felt the need to handle the situation with kid gloves. As a leader and a voice that the angry folks in that town would actually listen to, I feel that Obama could have used his powerful speaking skills (I'm not a fan AT ALL, but I'll be the first to admit that the dude can throw down a speech) to talk some sense into these people...or maybe even cut his vacation short and made a personal appearance. I also am starting to see some media sway in the wake of further rioting and violence towards the idea that these actions are inexcusable and there should be repercussions.

I know that a 3 wheeler forum is the last place these things should be discussed, but it's healthier to vent here than go out and loot a liquor store:)


It's funny that you brought up Obama using his speaking abilities for this purpose, because I had said that in the beginning of this thread, lol. He really could make a lot of headway making the void between races smaller, as well as be an actual role model. Not a role model simply because he became president. Many African American people do look up to him, so I would hope they'd listen to reason if he would address everyone. And, by address, not pull another Treyvon press conference and state the he himself could have been the victim. That has accomplished nothing but to further widen the void.

czac
08-18-2014, 03:55 PM
white or black, what I don't understand is the mentality of, "the cops shot a neighborhood guy, lets go loot stores of innocent folks and ruin their lives while chanting, no justice, no peace!"
how in the heck does this work again? I don't understand it, I must be stupid or something. Also, when a banger shoots another, no one sees anything, no one knows anything, they don't know who shot the guy or was it from a car? from a tree? from a scooter? from a dude on horseback... even with 30 other people standing with the victim, no one seems to have a clue. But when a cop shoots a perp EVERYONE sees the WHOLE thing! people who weren't even there seen it... WTF is going on? and its not so much a "Black" thing... its more like a Inner city thing... cause I have know black folks from the suburbs who'd drop a dime on a brother for stepping on their lawns!

6speedthumper
08-18-2014, 05:34 PM
white or black, what I don't understand is the mentality of, "the cops shot a neighborhood guy, lets go loot stores of innocent folks and ruin their lives while chanting, no justice, no peace!"
how in the heck does this work again? I don't understand it, I must be stupid or something. Also, when a banger shoots another, no one sees anything, no one knows anything, they don't know who shot the guy or was it from a car? from a tree? from a scooter? from a dude on horseback... even with 30 other people standing with the victim, no one seems to have a clue. But when a cop shoots a perp EVERYONE sees the WHOLE thing! people who weren't even there seen it... WTF is going on? and its not so much a "Black" thing... its more like a Inner city thing... cause I have know black folks from the suburbs who'd drop a dime on a brother for stepping on their lawns!



I know right!! That's what makes the absolute least amount of sense!

I agree with your inner city comment. There are several black people I know that have no problem calling another black person a N-word, because that person goes against how they were raised and what they believe in. Surprisingly, or maybe not, most of those people are women. My dad and I have had some really good conversions regarding race, the "race issue", and society, with a large number of our black customers and friends.

Chopsaw
08-18-2014, 05:46 PM
I happen to be from the area . Lived most of my life in Florissant . Moved out to St. Charles county about 7 years ago . I can tell you that most of Ferguson is made up of hard working people , that moved out of the inner city to provide a better life for their children . I can tell you that the ones looting dont live there , they are from the surrounding areas of the city , gang members and the like that could careless about the guy that got shot .

hoosierlogger
08-18-2014, 07:52 PM
Jessie Jackson Al Sharpton and the NAACP make us a Racist. :mad:

Exactly!! Black people would so much better if they could keep those two asshats out of everything that happens.

Caminofeld
08-18-2014, 11:03 PM
If it doesn't involve you, be what the people who are involved with wish they could be- Be someone who doesn't need to be concerned.

That's all fine and good, but those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it...and this time it was Ferguson, but next time it could be your city. I was born and raised in Baltimore, and I guarantee if the Ferguson shooting happened there things would have been WAY worse. Baltimore almost burned to the ground from race riots in the past...and the difference now is that they have far greater numbers, more guns, drugs, and cars...not to mention less respect for human life...especially lives of Police, "whites", and "Uncle Toms" (African Americans perceived as acting "white"). The solution to all this is exercising common sense and having some common decency, but in reality the lower class are too far gone; brainwashed by materialism, drugs, violence, lack of education, and having some ridiculous sense of entitlement. Be mad about slavery all you want, but slavery is a cakewalk compared to having 6 million of your people systematically slaughtered...or having the Japanese perform God-awful, sadistic experiments on thousands of your people...and last time I checked those groups were doing just fine. The saddest thing is that these ignorant ideas are being passed from generation to generation ...and these kids are so enveloped in the BS that they miss the reality of it all and the beauty of living in America; which is that ANYBODY can succeed with hard work and determination.

Alright, I went a bit off track...my point is that you must be aware of past and present events to change the future...or at the very least prepare for it. Sorry for the rant, I'll stop now.

tripledog
08-18-2014, 11:36 PM
Caminofeld, I hear you loud and clear. I certainly don't have a solution for the unrest in so very many places on God's green earth, but I agree that turning a blind eye to such situations is not the answer. Ignoring life's problems will not make them go away. Been there, tried that... EPIC failure, to say the least. As far as the looting and shooting goes, in the whole scheme of things, these folks will ultimately have to answer to higher power. Judge Judy's judgements pale in comparison to the swift justice that will be rendered in the afterlife. End rant.

Scootertrash
08-19-2014, 06:54 AM
6speed never said anything racist

From Websters:

racist
noun
a person who believes that one race should control all others <after the passage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, racists still used violence and intimidation to prevent African-Americans from enjoying their new constitutional rights>

From Dictionary.com:


racist
[rey-sist]
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.


And finally, from Urban Dictionary:
racist
If you're a white man, this is what you are. It doesn't even matter if your wife is black and you have an adopted child from India, or how many black friends you have, somehow you're going to end up being a racist according to how the media portrays the white man as "racist whities".

All of this is funny because the white man is the one that is stereotyped as being racist, which is hypocrisy at its best. It's racist to assume that white men are racists.

If you don't get offended by racial insults, then you're apparently racist too, but an actual racist would get offended by it. When you hear a certain word too much (I'm sure we've all heard "cracka" hundreds of times thanks to standup comedy) then you become desensitized to it.

Well, that and the words white people get called sound stupid or non-offending. "cracker" came from cracking whips. Indiana Jones cracked whips too, and he was a badass. "honkey" sounds like some kind of gigantic sandwich, and "white boy" makes you seem like the lone white kid in breakdance movies that stands out amongst the other races and white kids. Most people only really think of rednecks when they think of "white trash" so they don't get offended by it if they're not rednecks.
Statistics guy: It was found out that the majority of blacks in America listen to hip hop---
Overzealous guy: WTF YOU RACIST I HAVE A BLACK FRIEND THAT DOESN'T LISTEN TO HIP HOP
Statistics guy: But I said the majority, meaning not all of th---
Overzealous guy: YEAH WHATEVER HITLER

See the problem? Racist/racism? Both words have been made into a joke. You don't even have to fit the first 2 definitions, all you have to do is blame it on a minority and it's racist. Even if it what you said is true.

czac
08-19-2014, 08:40 AM
I know right!! That's what makes the absolute least amount of sense!

I agree with your inner city comment. There are several black people I know that have no problem calling another black person a N-word, because that person goes against how they were raised and what they believe in. Surprisingly, or maybe not, most of those people are women. My dad and I have had some really good conversions regarding race, the "race issue", and society, with a large number of our black customers and friends.

I guess it comes down to the fact that "You're a product of your environment" if you are raised around this type of behavior, you'll most likely be the same way when you're older... A lot of gang bangers are from families who've been gang bangers for a couple generations. It take a village to raise a child... how that child turns out may have a lot to do with what the village is like.

czac
08-19-2014, 08:42 AM
Caminofeld, I hear you loud and clear. I certainly don't have a solution for the unrest in so very many places on God's green earth, but I agree that turning a blind eye to such situations is not the answer. Ignoring life's problems will not make them go away. Been there, tried that... EPIC failure, to say the least. As far as the looting and shooting goes, in the whole scheme of things, these folks will ultimately have to answer to higher power. Judge Judy's judgements pale in comparison to the swift justice that will be rendered in the afterlife. End rant.
what if after we die and its time for our final judgment, we're ushered into a huge chamber and there, sitting behind a giant desk, gavel in hand is...Judge Judy!! NOOOOOOOOOO! lol

czac
08-19-2014, 09:01 AM
I hear the genocide over there would probably be child's play for the ghetto gang thugs!

funny you mention this, I was just watching a doc. on You tube about Liberia and it was made right after their civil war ended and the interviewer was asking the kids (most of the soldiers were children under the age of 20) what next, what will they do now that the wars over... most of them said.... "Go back to school!" so even in a war torn nation, a nation of piss poor folks who've been living in civil war for most of their lives, seeing and even committing atrocities worse than anything any of us can imagine, running rampant and out and out slaughtering people every day, eating human flesh at times just to stay alive and doing massive amounts of drugs to keep them fearless and fighting...all that, and now that that's over, they just want to go to school, get an education and live free. Imagine our young inner-city gang bangers, who've not been through nearly as traumatic times as these kids, having that attitude? Sadly, they don't and wont. This doc. was called "Holidays in the Danger Zone-the violent coast, Liberia and sierra Leone" and another great one was, "The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia" both can bee seen in their entirety on You Tube. crazy stuff! Our blacks have nothing to complain about, in fact, no American does!

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 09:07 AM
6speed never said anything racist

From Websters:


From Dictionary.com:




See the problem? Racist/racism? Both words have been made into a joke. You don't even have to fit the first 2 definitions, all you have to do is blame it on a minority and it's racist. Even if it what you said is true.Ya, right. And its just too bad that's not all he said. Did you miss the part where he says to evolve like the rest of the human race? Or the part where he tells them to stop acting like the baboons that they are? Racism, even by your definition scooter. Wanna turn a blind eye and make excuses for him, go ahead. It doesn't change anything. How bout where he admits hes a racist, twice, oh, and how bout where he admits that his baboon comment was racist? Ya, words, talking, talking.

I will not waste any of my time convincing people of my own opinions on racism in America. I have MUCH more important things to think about.

czac
08-19-2014, 09:12 AM
It is legal in Australia for employers to advertise jobs to be only taken by our indigenous people. I can only imagine what would happen if I advertised a job only for whites. These same people get $5,000 technical college courses for free for example and hundreds of other free benefits. They keep on about wanting equality but have their own music awards and sporting events which exclude people like me. Imagine the uproar if it was reversed. You only have to have 1/16th Aboriginal heritage to qualify. I just don't get it.

actually it would have to be for American Indians only if it were here... then we could all complain about the darn Injuns getting all the jobs! Grrrrrrrrrr!!

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 09:19 AM
Ahhhaaaaaa hahahahahhahahaaaaa!!! ^^^^^^^

Wrap your head around that folks, That's a slam dunk right there.

On that note, the Dohcta is OUT.

Thorpe
08-19-2014, 09:43 AM
I will not waste any of my time convincing people of my own opinions on racism in America. I have MUCH more important things to think about.

Dohc-- It's just my opinion, but if you don't seem to agree with someone else's thoughts, that you often try to dominate the thread to press your opinion... ($.02) Good luck with that thinking!

trr

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 09:52 AM
'Try to dominate'... Haha i like that. Thanks thorpe, a laugh is always welcome in the morning.

Heres the upside to that, if you all turn your attention to ME now, (the guy that hasnt spewed his opinion on this thread) then you can continue to skirt the real issue...

Fear.

:beer

Billy Golightly
08-19-2014, 12:05 PM
Discourse is good and important - just don't lower yourselves to level where its no longer productive.

El Camexican
08-19-2014, 03:17 PM
NAACP
Al Sharpton
Scholarships for Afro Americans
Rev. Jeremy Wright
Black Panthers that seem to operate with impunity while the “Klan” is labeled a hate group
Jessie Jackson
People who openly proclaim to vote for leaders based on color and not qualifications.
Political parties that claim discrimination when policies fail
Lower standards for minorities seeking public service jobs
A President that relates to a drug using 17 year old high school dropout solely because they share the same skin color
A Black Caucus
People who call each other racial names and say it’s ok if they do it, but not if I do it
Black history month

My point simply is that as long as a certain group of people keeps telling me that they are different than I am because of their skin color I will continue to see them as being just that and when they tell me that they are more deserving of something than I am because of it, should it surprise them if one day I grow to hate them for it?

And now a poem for the occasion: “Times are tough and things are hard, so shut the F*** UP and quit playing the race card”

6speedthumper
08-19-2014, 04:34 PM
Ya, right. And its just too bad that's not all he said. Did you miss the part where he says to evolve like the rest of the human race? Or the part where he tells them to stop acting like the baboons that they are? Racism, even by your definition scooter. Wanna turn a blind eye and make excuses for him, go ahead. It doesn't change anything. How bout where he admits hes a racist, twice, oh, and how bout where he admits that his baboon comment was racist? Ya, words, talking, talking.

I will not waste any of my time convincing people of my own opinions on racism in America. I have MUCH more important things to think about.


Yeah DOHC, evolve, meaning grow the f*ck up, and let by gones be by gones.

Oh wow, I compared their actions in Ferguson to that of baboons. Damn, I'm a real heartless, racist, prick. Guess it's okay for them to call me a honky, pig, white boy, cracka, and associate me with the KKK simply because I am white. Maybe I should have said, "stop acting like a bunch of children", would that have been okay? I mean, is that "politically correct" enough for you? That make you feel better?

If you want to label me a racist, fine, because all I've seen you be is an asshole, and I label you as such. If you actually read any of my posts, you would have read where I stated that I have friends of many different races, that I converse with black people, I consider many of our black customers as friends, I talk openly about race and racial issues with black people, I wouldn't hesitate to help a black person or anyone. I've sat and ate dinner, drank beer, partied along side, competed with, hung out with, and have given help to black people. And those people have been good, honest, hard working, law abiding, easy going folks that I am happy to know. Did I say that I am becoming a racist, yes, I did. Did I not say that I am not proud of that? Oh wait, that's right, I did. If all you want to see is a person that hates all black people, then you are more narrow minded then you're making me out to be, because that is not the case. I do not, under any circumstances hate all black people. But, I have been developing a hatred for those that point the finger of blame at the white man because he is white. I'm tired of those that make excuses to receive hand outs because they feel they are "entitled". I'm tired of those that claim the white man owes them for their ancestors sufferings. I'm also tired to schmucks like you, so yeah, I hate a good many white people out there (assuming you're white).

Am I a racist by definition? No. I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY ONE RACE IS BETTER THEN THE OTHER. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ONE RACE IS SUPERIOR. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ALL OTHER RACES SHOULD BOW DOWN BEFORE THE WHITE RACE.

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 05:20 PM
When you mean grow up, dont say evolve. Especially during a race discussion genius. You said exacly what you meant and now you're eating your words. All the claimed black friends in the world wont change that.

If all you've seen me be here as a member is an asshole, then it's even more apparent that your eyes are half closed. For the record, I couldn't care less what you think of me, KID.

You do realize that it's you that's making about it race, right? There were people looting, not just black people. Those people are losers, regardless of skin color.

As far as the shooting, I don't give a shlt what color he was. 6 shots into an unarmed 18 year old. At least one shot was fired from inside the patrol car. Browns body was 35 feet from the cruiser when he received the fatal wound. One shot through the top of the head. All because a cop couldnt control his embarrassment, anger and FEAR.



Eyewitness account from Dorian Johnson, who did accompany Micheal Brown the day Officer Darren Wilson murdered him after a stop for jaywalking:

He and Brown were walking in the middle of the street when Wilson intercepted them and told them to get on the sidewalk. When Wilson tried to get out of his car, the door hit Johnson and Brown and ricocheted into Wilson — upsetting the officer. Wilson grabbed Brown by the neck, and Brown tried to get away. Wilson pulled out his gun and shot Brown. At that point, Brown and Johnson began to run away and the officer fired again. When Brown realized he was hit, he turned around and raised his hands in the air. Wilson approached Brown and fired several more shots.

Eyewitness account from Piaget Crenshaw:

This is what Crenshaw, who saw the shooting while she was waiting for a ride to work, said happened: She saw Wilson try to place Brown into the squad car. When Brown ran away with his hands in the air, Wilson fired several shots. Crenshaw took photos of the exchange, which she turned over to police.



I say again, THIRTY FIVE FEET. Thats how far away this clearly unarmed kid was when Officer Coward Wilson fired the fatal shot.

sledcrazyinCT
08-19-2014, 06:00 PM
As far as the shooting, I don't give a shlt what color he was. 6 shots into an unarmed 18 year old. One through the top of the head. Because a cop couldn't control his fear.

How in the world do you know what this police officer was thinking or having to deal with moments before he pulled the trigger? Like the talking heads on TV it is easier to just make the assumption he was acting out of fear? Tell you what the 'unarmed' 18 year old was 6'3 and over 250 pounds by what people are saying... looking at the one picture of the cop he was much smaller....just like the tiny store owner big bad Mike Brown was pushing around earlier in the day. Sorry but the guy seems like a thug.

Everything a person does and does not do in their life has consequences. So him and his buddy were unarmed, if they listened to the cop he would still be alive attending college next month, but instead him and his bro tell the cop we are almost home no need to get out of the road til we get to my yard? Why are there reports the cop had cuts on his face? Sounds like the unarmed teens might have ganged up on him? I don't have any clue what happened and don't claim to know, but it kills me to hear some folks, ie the media, like they were walking down the same street when it happened. Just like the reporters saying Mr. Brown's crime minutes before stealing blunt wraps is a not relevant because the police officer who ended up shooting him did not initially realize this was the same guy. WTF does that matter? The thief knew he committed a robbery so if he is a druggie then maybe he was the one with fear that law enforcement was already on to him and he jumped the cop - again I don't know but am so sick of the righteous talk from others all over the net who have no first hand knowledge of this situation either!

6speedthumper
08-19-2014, 06:03 PM
Pardon me for saying the first thing that comes to mind. I guess you've not done that, Einstein. Did I say anything about your actions as a member of his site? No. You are interpreting it that way. Maybe I should have been more specific and added the words "in this thread". I guess it was too much of me to assume that you'd know it was about this particular topic that we have all been discussing.

You're right, all of those people looting are losers. But, I like a few others on here, do not watch TV except for a couple of Sunday night shows. So all I have heard is that there are blacks rioting in Ferguson. Matter of fact, most everybody in this thread has shared similar views, experiences, and/or opinions, as I have, in regards to people of all races, and the generalization many are making is towards the blacks. You do realize that it's actually YOU that is making this about race, right?

Originally posted by Dohcbikes.
"As far as the shooting, I don't give a shlt what color he was. 6 shots into an unarmed 18 year old. One through the top of the head. Beacause a cop couldnt control his fear."

Originally posted by Dohcbikes from the Tony Stuart thread
"Why should the racer that stayed in his race car on a race track be forced out of his line to avoid a crazed, angry idiot that's running around TRYING TO GET CLOSER TO CARS. Idve held my line as well."

So you have a problem with this cop shooting this kid because he feared for his life, but, you'd have held your line in Tony's situation and ended up killing that 20 year old kid??? Wow, what a model for the human species...

Mosh
08-19-2014, 06:05 PM
Did anybody catch what da prez said recently?
Not word for word but...
" we need to approach congress about enacting new laws that take military weapons and weapons of force from local law enforcement agencies "

Since when in the hell is tear gas or semi automatic weapons considered military grade?
Ok mista ....so along with your plot to strip citizens of their second amendment rights , you now want to limit the LEO to using stun batons like in the movie Demolition Man....so what.....people can wait for him to get off vacation to possibly send in the military to control stuff like this? A military that he has constantly stripped down to the bone already? The guy ain't fit to run a hot dog stand...

This whole thing is starting to stink like another social, liberal plot to yet again bind the freedoms of the U.S. citizens even more.

sledcrazyinCT
08-19-2014, 06:05 PM
Eyewitness account from Dorian Johnson, who did accompany Micheal Brown the day Officer Darren Wilson murdered him after a stop for jaywalking:

He and Brown were walking in the middle of the street when Wilson intercepted them and told them to get on the sidewalk. When Wilson tried to get out of his car, the door hit Johnson and Brown and ricocheted into Wilson — upsetting the officer. Wilson grabbed Brown by the neck, and Brown tried to get away. Wilson pulled out his gun and shot Brown. At that point, Brown and Johnson began to run away and the officer fired again. When Brown realized he was hit, he turned around and raised his hands in the air. Wilson approached Brown and fired several more shots.

So was the cop in fear or was he upset? big difference! Sorry but eye witness also was in the same store that they stole the swisher sweets from, so his account of what happened must be questioned as biased.

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 06:13 PM
oh, now its about how BIG the kid was, and how small the officer was. Haha, ok.

If you cant handle yourself against an unarmed man thats running away, GIVE UP YOUR BADGE.

There is no doubt in my mind that micheal brown was a criminal.

The FACT that the fatal shot was fired (after five other shots because this idiot has no defense skills) from 35 feet, COMES FROM THE POLICE, so I guess i kinda do know what was happening moments before he murdered him. Brown was running away with his hands up and five holes in him.

6speedthumper
08-19-2014, 06:13 PM
Did anybody catch what da prez said recently?
Not word for word but...
" we need to approach congress about enacting new laws that take military weapons and weapons of force from local law enforcement agencies "

Since when in the hell is tear gas or semi automatic weapons considered military grade?
Ok mista ....so along with your plot to strip citizens of their second amendment rights , you now want to limit the LEO to using stun batons like in the movie Demolition Man....so what.....people can wait for him to get off vacation to possibly send in the military to control stuff like this? A military that he has constantly stripped down to the bone already? The guy ain't fit to run a hot dog stand...

This whole thing is starting to stink like another social, liberal plot to yet again bind the freedoms of the U.S. citizens even more.

Oh boy... Take away weapons from law enforcement so they can be killed more easily by the people they confront... There have already been 27 police officers shot and killed this year, here in Va.

sledcrazyinCT
08-19-2014, 06:40 PM
oh, now its about how BIG the kid was, and how small the officer was. Haha, ok.

If you cant handle yourself against an unarmed man thats running away, GIVE UP YOUR BADGE.

There is no doubt in my mind that micheal brown was a criminal.

The FACT that the fatal shot was fired (after five other shots because this idiot has no defense skills) from 35 feet, COMES FROM THE POLICE, so I guess i kinda do know what was happening moments before he murdered him. Brown was running away with his hands up and five holes in him.

So happy you know how it all went down from your findings on the internet and can conclude what really transpired because you read up on it. Please post a link up so your post has 'facts' and not opinions only..... I have yet to find an account posted of the officer in question, or an official report from the Ferguson PD outlining your claims.

Please post your links of the findings from the Missouri state police.....

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 06:57 PM
That the kid was killed 35 feet from the car? Straight from the police chiefs mouth during a news conference. Personally I cant wait til the facts come out.

Here's the thing though, even if a hundred black witnesses say the shooting was unwarranted, ya'll will still claim the officer was a victim, because you arent even attempting to see the other side.

I was for the most part raised by a cop, a damn good one, so dont even think I dont see both sides. I wont name the officer, but just for example, he was once brutally attacked by two 300lb varsity football players (white, since it matters so much). He never pulled his weapons, because he did not fear them. He collected his head, used his training, and broke one guys arm. The other laid down after that and was cuffed without further incident. GYSOT.

El Camexican
08-19-2014, 07:17 PM
Tell you what guys, not a cop on this planet gets paid enough to have to go hand to hand with a 6’-3’ 290# person for ANY reason. Cops carry guns because they passed a test that demonstrated that they know how to handle them. They also get trained to NEVER under any circumstance let someone get their hands on that weapon, EVER!

And why should any cop have to fight with anyone? He is the LAW and is to be respected for taking a serve and protect oath, not charged at by a punk of any size or color and then expected to control the situation without lethal force. If it’s going to be like that then everyone from Meter maids to the Chief of Police should have to be no less than 6’-6”, 220# cut with martial arts training. At 290# any young man with a heart full of rage is in himself a dangerous weapon (I should know, I had my skull fractured in two places and a retina detached by one) and this POS even demonstrated his use of that big body on video robbing a smaller man for his Mama to watch and remember his dumb azz by.

The “witness” that was with Mike when he robbed the store claimed Big Mike was shot in the back, did he not? Correct me if I’m wrong, but did the autopsy not show that the slugs all went in from the front? Seems to me he put his head down and ran full speed at the officer and if he did he got what he deserved, but hey, if a fellow corner store robber says it went down other ways, who am I to doubt him.

To end my little rant I would suggest that in a show of solidarity all peace officers in the entire country unite and call in sick for 24 hours, yea, take a day off and support their fellow officer. Then those of you know think they should all be Superman or resign will see what life without law is like. Oh and if it does go down like that I would suggest that anyone who is not capable of handling himself against an enraged 6’-3”, 290# adult male CRIMINAL without using deadly force stay indoors that day.

El Camexican
08-19-2014, 07:22 PM
That the kid was killed 35 feet from the car? Straight from the police chiefs mouth during a news conference.

Do you really think a 6 year veteran just decided to gun down a guy from 35’ away and ruin his own life because he was walking on the street?

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 07:33 PM
Do you really think a 6 year veteran just decided to gun down a guy from 35’ away and ruin his own life because he was walking on the street?
No he made no decisions in my opinion. He just reacted inappropriately to anger and fear.

sledcrazyinCT
08-19-2014, 07:36 PM
The other side? What is the other POV here? What does this mean? Where are all the cell phone videos? Those are what I would like to see surface as someone from the street taking a cell phone video would be as close to reality that a non participant trying to form an opinion of this event could ever get from this situation. I really want to find the original of this video instead of having to hear another's take on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mAaJMBxKA4

I have no opinion of the officer's actions since it is unknown the situation he faced so I would not classify him a victim or a murderer. He is a man that holds a thankless job that people mostly resent.

Why are there sides being drawn? I believe many people are too quick to judge or just wish to promote something else entirely if you look at the people stirring the pot.

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 07:36 PM
Cops are not the law, they enforce the laws. They are not the judge, the jury, or the executioner. And yes, he does get paid to fight criminals hand to hand. Its called equal and opposite force, unless you are in FEAR for your life. He was scared. If not, then whats the defense now guys?

sledcrazyinCT
08-19-2014, 07:48 PM
Cops are not the law, they enforce the laws. They are not the judge, the jury, or the executioner. And yes, he does get paid to fight criminals hand to hand. Its called equal and opposite force, unless you are in FEAR for your life. He was scared. If not, then whats the defense now guys?

Reread post 53

sledcrazyinCT
08-19-2014, 07:52 PM
Another awesome post right from the beginning of this thread!


What we need is "Real Change". Not Obama change......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_RpVSjr6w

DOHC this is the side I would choose as I cant even comprehend the other side .......the other side must be those looters, instigators, free loading, entitled citizens that are ruining America

ironchop
08-19-2014, 07:59 PM
Every one of you is missing the fundamental POINT of ALL of this....

Chaos is the goal

Inciting violence and hatred is the goal

Reviving racism and entrenching stereotypes is the goal

Causing revolt and revolutionary thoughts and actions is the goal

Did no one else actually read Marx or Mao? Did you just accept the fact that the whitewashed version of "communism" in the American education system that played on the fears of Americans while simultaneously dismissing the effort, deception, and outright open attempts at establishing Socialism and later Communism into the American Republic?

Saul Alinsky is one of Obama`s mentors according to Obama himself......Have any of you read "Rules for Radicals" ?.........because if you did, you would understand FULLY why all of this and all the other similar instances are happening recently. If you spent just a couple hours looking into where Barack came from and what he believes, you might be very unpleasantly surprised.

If you think an Establishment Republican isn`t out for the same goal, you obviously haven't met Peter King or John McCain.

The goal is violence and chaos.....hatred, distrust, persecution, and cries for "justice"

Once the masses beg for "security", "Civil rights protections", "less militaristic local police" the Gov will respond......swiftly and severly

You know why the call for "less militaristic police" has been issued? So that you will want Mr. Holder and Obama`s promised Federal Domestic Police Force to replace these "racist, out dated and hot headed white local cops"

School shootings, OK City, 911, Race Riots.......it`s ALL by design.....what happens after any of these things?....More militarism......More losses of Civil Rights.....More citizens die.....More terrorists to terrify us all

And we fall for this crap every damn time.

Ask yourself this..................you think these laws are written as a reaction to a tragedy or do you think that there is no such thing as coincidence and tragedies are made rather than just happen. Congress counldn`t call a coin toss in under a week.......so go look up how quickly the Patriot Act was lobbied for, written, published, voted on twice, and signed into Law.....It has to be a world record how fast that Act was enacted.......perhaps it had been written ahead of time as some suggest? Naw, we can trust that Congress will acyt fast when need to.........yeah right

real quotes: "Let no good tragedy go to waste"..........."divide and conquer" I could go on for an hour but you all must understand that the BIGGEST threat to Politicians and their insatiable need to control and pillage are the American People. Do you know the only way to crush a resistance by several million pissed off gun owning Americans? By dividing them amongst themselves.....Without UNITY there will be NO VICTORY

guess what? It`s working isn't it.....Instead of rising above, we are imploding.......hell this very thread PROVES my point........The media spin on a tragic event has managed to turn this thread into a pissin match........it`s like watching the Micromanagement of Chaos on here.

ALL your "elected" leaders want to crush your spirit and your desire for Good and Justice so that they may continue to rape you for everything they can and your "bought" mainstream media is 100% complicite.

You are no good to them as 'free'

You are no good to them 'educated'

Your 'Civil rights' are an impedence to their agenda of Theft and Subversion

Your future is hopeless and resistance is futile.........because we can`t see above the BS and the Truth is too hard to swallow and therefore there will never be change in my opinion........................unless the Head of our Society pulls itself from it`s own collective ass.

Go lookup the writers I mentioned and then think about what I said. Alinsky`s book is less than 100 pages IIRC so it`s a short read for those who hate books. This isn`t tinfoil hat crap. It`s all there if you care to look. They don`t have to suppress or hide everything because you won`t even look for work, turn off the damn television, or get off facebook long enough to learn a thing or two........complacent subjects make excellent slaves

and for petes sake, STOP falling for agent provocatuers FROM BOTH SIDES, media spin/ hype, and manufactured Racism.

These people are baiting us all and if we don`t rise above it, we will all witness something soon that will make Ferguson look like Mayberry.

Billy Golightly
08-19-2014, 08:07 PM
Does anyone here in this thread have any opinions or facts related to this incident that were not transcended from some form of federal and corporate media? Anyone actually boots on the ground in the neighborhood that night that personally knows an eye witness, or has someone that knows the officer in question, or at-least knows someone that works in the department?


I used the terms federal and corporate media there for a reason... :)


Thats the only thing of no value I have to add. Carry on.

atc007
08-19-2014, 08:33 PM
I think Tony Stewarts to blame for it all... Carry on.I sure HOPE that we ALL can agree. This Country is headed in a very REAL direction. Not a good one at all. The sheeple are being herded,one day at a time. But I will digress.

6speedthumper
08-19-2014, 08:40 PM
Every one of you is missing the fundamental POINT of ALL of this....

Chaos is the goal

Inciting violence and hatred is the goal

Reviving racism and entrenching stereotypes is the goal

Causing revolt and revolutionary thoughts and actions is the goal

Did no one else actually read Marx or Mao? Did you just accept the fact that the whitewashed version of "communism" in the American education system that played on the fears of Americans while simultaneously dismissing the effort, deception, and outright open attempts at establishing Socialism and later Communism into the American Republic?

Saul Alinsky is one of Obama`s mentors according to Obama himself......Have any of you read "Rules for Radicals" ?.........because if you did, you would understand FULLY why all of this and all the other similar instances are happening recently. If you spent just a couple hours looking into where Barack came from and what he believes, you might be very unpleasantly surprised.

If you think an Establishment Republican isn`t out for the same goal, you obviously haven't met Peter King or John McCain.

The goal is violence and chaos.....hatred, distrust, persecution, and cries for "justice"

Once the masses beg for "security", "Civil rights protections", "less militaristic local police" the Gov will respond......swiftly and severly

You know why the call for "less militaristic police" has been issued? So that you will want Mr. Holder and Obama`s promised Federal Domestic Police Force to replace these "racist, out dated and hot headed white local cops"

School shootings, OK City, 911, Race Riots.......it`s ALL by design.....what happens after any of these things?....More militarism......More losses of Civil Rights.....More citizens die.....More terrorists to terrify us all

And we fall for this crap every damn time.

Ask yourself this..................you think these laws are written as a reaction to a tragedy or do you think that there is no such thing as coincidence and tragedies are made rather than just happen. Congress counldn`t call a coin toss in under a week.......so go look up how quickly the Patriot Act was lobbied for, written, published, voted on twice, and signed into Law.....It has to be a world record how fast that Act was enacted.......perhaps it had been written ahead of time as some suggest? Naw, we can trust that Congress will acyt fast when need to.........yeah right

real quotes: "Let no good tragedy go to waste"..........."divide and conquer" I could go on for an hour but you all must understand that the BIGGEST threat to Politicians and their insatiable need to control and pillage are the American People. Do you know the only way to crush a resistance by several million pissed off gun owning Americans? By dividing them amongst themselves.....Without UNITY there will be NO VICTORY

guess what? It`s working isn't it.....Instead of rising above, we are imploding.......hell this very thread PROVES my point........The media spin on a tragic event has managed to turn this thread into a pissin match........it`s like watching the Micromanagement of Chaos on here.

ALL your "elected" leaders want to crush your spirit and your desire for Good and Justice so that they may continue to rape you for everything they can and your "bought" mainstream media is 100% complicite.

You are no good to them as 'free'

You are no good to them 'educated'

Your 'Civil rights' are an impedence to their agenda of Theft and Subversion

Your future is hopeless and resistance is futile.........because we can`t see above the BS and the Truth is too hard to swallow and therefore there will never be change in my opinion........................unless the Head of our Society pulls itself from it`s own collective ass.

Go lookup the writers I mentioned and then think about what I said. Alinsky`s book is less than 100 pages IIRC so it`s a short read for those who hate books. This isn`t tinfoil hat crap. It`s all there if you care to look. They don`t have to suppress or hide everything because you won`t even look for work, turn off the damn television, or get off facebook long enough to learn a thing or two........complacent subjects make excellent slaves

and for petes sake, STOP falling for agent provocatuers FROM BOTH SIDES, media spin/ hype, and manufactured Racism.

These people are baiting us all and if we don`t rise above it, we will all witness something soon that will make Ferguson look like Mayberry.

Damn man, and I thought I hated the government! Really like, no, love, this post!!! Have never read anything from the people you stated, but, I'm going to make the time to do it!

6speedthumper
08-19-2014, 08:43 PM
I think Tony Stewarts to blame for it all... Carry on.I sure HOPE that we ALL can agree. This Country is headed in a very REAL direction. Not a good one at all. The sheeple are being herded,one day at a time. But I will digress.

I agree, and I hope I can get as far as way from DC as soon as possible.

fabiodriven
08-19-2014, 09:04 PM
That's all fine and good, but those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it...and this time it was Ferguson, but next time it could be your city. I was born and raised in Baltimore, and I guarantee if the Ferguson shooting happened there things would have been WAY worse. Baltimore almost burned to the ground from race riots in the past...and the difference now is that they have far greater numbers, more guns, drugs, and cars...not to mention less respect for human life...especially lives of Police, "whites", and "Uncle Toms" (African Americans perceived as acting "white"). The solution to all this is exercising common sense and having some common decency, but in reality the lower class are too far gone; brainwashed by materialism, drugs, violence, lack of education, and having some ridiculous sense of entitlement. Be mad about slavery all you want, but slavery is a cakewalk compared to having 6 million of your people systematically slaughtered...or having the Japanese perform God-awful, sadistic experiments on thousands of your people...and last time I checked those groups were doing just fine. The saddest thing is that these ignorant ideas are being passed from generation to generation ...and these kids are so enveloped in the BS that they miss the reality of it all and the beauty of living in America; which is that ANYBODY can succeed with hard work and determination.

Alright, I went a bit off track...my point is that you must be aware of past and present events to change the future...or at the very least prepare for it. Sorry for the rant, I'll stop now.

I do like your post very much and agree with a lot of it. I can see how my advice may seem odd, but I've been concentrating on self-improvement for a very long time now. It's amazing how much more of the world you see when you pay attention to yourself. My points of view on how the universe works is material for an entirely different thread. A lot of people think I'm crazy, and I will agree. That doesn't bother me one bit though as many "crazy" things I've done in the past have paid off in spades. The general consensus of the pubic would be that my methods of steering my life might be somewhat unorthodox, but I can't argue with results. Speaking of results, as a result of me learning to control my own destiny I do tend to want to share the methods that I used. My way of thinking is, if everyone thought good things and were happy, and they wiped the influence out of their life from the media and through lethal, err, "legal" narcotics, the world would be on its way to being a better place. People are more concerned with money than the life of their planet or the evolution of their species, and most are too high to know what day it is. We were not put on this earth to toil, yet we're trained from birth that we have to work. Life can be anything you want it to be if you take the controls and make it happen.

I do understand your point of view and why someone might question mine. Mine is a very big picture. I can't change the planet, but I can change my world. It's to the benefit of myself and literally anyone I come in contact with, so imagine what the world would be like if everyone on the planet smiled at each other and expected good intent. You say "it will never happen" I'm sure, as we're all trained to think. It's programmed into us. Some may accuse me of "burying my head in the sand", but I've partaken plenty. I've been a cog in the wheel of a very big machine and got a touch of how it works inside. I know the more involved you are the more consumed you'll be and the less you'll pay attention to your own doings, and people can call me narcissistic but there's only one person who's really going to look out for number one and promote that person more than anyone. The people I see that are most concerned about things they have no control over could certainly stand to direct that energy into other aspects of their lives that need serious addressing. My own mother ended my last phone call with her by saying "I hope everyone's on their drugs". I know that's a harsh thing to confess (she's only on minor scripts, but a script is a script to me aside from certain types of medicines), but my point is this is how this world thinks. People think mostly about money and a helluva lot about drugs. Well guess who controls the money and guess who manufactures and dispenses the drugs? Coincidentally (there is no such thing as coincidence in my world) it's the same group of people! And they can promote their drugs via their media.

That's how you keep it on subject Camino, haha. Bottom line is two different paths to the same solution.

Scootertrash
08-19-2014, 09:30 PM
When you mean grow up, dont say evolve. Especially during a race discussion genius. You said exacly what you meant and now you're eating your words. All the claimed black friends in the world wont change that.


You do realize that it's you that's making about it race, right? There were people looting, not just black people. Those people are losers, regardless of skin color.

As far as the shooting, I don't give a shlt what color he was. 6 shots into an unarmed 18 year old. At least one shot was fired from inside the patrol car. Browns body was 35 feet from the cruiser when he received the fatal wound. One shot through the top of the head. All because a cop couldnt control his embarrassment, anger and FEAR.

Got a link to all these "facts" you're posting?

How about this purported side of the story from a friend of the girlfriend friend of the officer and an a friend of the officer who is a cop?:


A woman calling herself 'Josie' called a local St Louis radio station on Friday claiming to be a friend of the 28-year-old Ferguson police officer.

The woman, who said she was a friend of the cop's girlfriend, said friends and family were too afraid to speak out but she wanted the public to know that Brown, 18, had 'bum-rushed' Officer Wilson prior to the shooting.

'He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description,' the friend told The Dana Show.

'Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up,' she continued.
'And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip.

'And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

'Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren's first protocol is to pursue.

'So, he stands up and yells, ''Freeze!'' Michael and his friend turn around.

'And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed.

So [Wilson] really thinks [Brown] was on something, because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable.

'And so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two to three feet in front of the officer.'




Eyewitness account from Dorian Johnson, who did accompany Micheal Brown the day Officer Darren Wilson murdered him after a stop for jaywalking:

He and Brown were walking in the middle of the street when Wilson intercepted them and told them to get on the sidewalk. When Wilson tried to get out of his car, the door hit Johnson and Brown and ricocheted into Wilson — upsetting the officer. Wilson grabbed Brown by the neck, and Brown tried to get away. Wilson pulled out his gun and shot Brown. At that point, Brown and Johnson began to run away and the officer fired again. When Brown realized he was hit, he turned around and raised his hands in the air. Wilson approached Brown and fired several more shots.

Really? How about this scenario: Officer Wilson told Brown and Johnson to get out of the street, Brown and Johnson were getting cocky with the cop and when he tried to exit the car they pushed the door into the cop. After which a struggle ensued. Or doesn't the cops side of the story have any merit?

Eyewitness account from Piaget Crenshaw:

This is what Crenshaw, who saw the shooting while she was waiting for a ride to work, said happened: She saw Wilson try to place Brown into the squad car. When Brown ran away with his hands in the air, Wilson fired several shots. Crenshaw took photos of the exchange, which she turned over to police.



I say again, THIRTY FIVE FEET. Thats how far away this clearly unarmed kid was when Officer Coward Wilson fired the fatal shot.

I say again: Show me proof that he was thirty five feet away when the fatal shot was fired.

All you are doing is parroting the same story as his friends, family and the independent coroner that Browns attorney hired to do another autopsy because they can't trust the pooleece. Eric Holder is having a third autopsy done.

Here, this might help you out a bit. It's the autopsy drawing from the coroner hired by Browns family so you should have no trouble believing what is on the drawing is true.

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First off notice the title of the drawing: "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations. Preliminary autopsy report"

See any "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations" in his back? Me neither. Hmmm. Well I guess he wasn't shot in the back whilst running away with his hands up.

The four wounds in his arm and one in the right pec? to me they look suspiciously like they could have come from one bullet fired when they were struggling for the gun (allegedly) and Brown had a hold of the business end of the officers service weapon. But, alas, I'm just speculating since I wasn't there. They don't look like wounds received while being shot with your hands up. One went thru the eye socket hitting the jaw and then striking the collar bone. One entered thru the top of the skull. Both of these wounds could only be received with the head down (charging the officer as alleged in one report?)

Brown was 6'4 292 lbs and you're claiming that he's nothing to worry about? Especially if he was charging at the cop? After (allegedly) trying to take his gun? Dude. Seriously.

Here are some quotes from the the coroner hired (well, he actually claims to have waived his $10,000 fee) by the Brown family:


Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results.

and in the next paragraph:


Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds. Take a peek at what I said about them there hand arm chest wounds above.

Soooooooo let's do the math here: Dr. Baden claims Brown was shot 6 times. There are 9 "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations" in the autopsy pic (4 in the arm, 1 in the right pec all of which would probably be non-fatal wounds. 1 thru the eye socket that went thru the jawbone and into the collar bone, 3 wounds, and 1 to the top of the head = 9) so if 1 bullet made 5 wounds that leaves 4 left, the one to the right eye socket made three wounds, that leaves the one to the top of the head remaining. Seems to me that took 3 bullets to make those wounds.

Also in the article, another quote from Dr. Baden (who again was hired by the Brown family):

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

The article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html

ironchop
08-19-2014, 09:30 PM
I dont hate the government. We have.the fairest, most impartial, free republic in all the world.......when its working as designed.....by men with integrity.

What I do hate is the Corruption inherent in so many human beings that usurps and distorts our system for the sole purpose of Wealth and Power. I hate that I cant sit down with one of the many good hearted and hard working ethnic minorities that live in my neighborhood without wondering if they believe all the nonsense they are being fed by our ' fair and objective media'.

I hate that I feel like these jackwads are winning at convincing us all that we shouldn't trust or respect each other. Gun control, inciting riots, promoting and arming terrorists, inciting hate between classes and races, and even dividing us hopelessly on even our political views and associations.

This aint new world order or Illuminati or Zionists or Aliens out to destroy Earth. It is, however, a very concerted effort at controlling the planet by a few elitist bankers bent on domination because even the worlds riches cant satisfy these folks so when people start awakening, rabble-rousing, voting, threatening revolt they feel the need to first, confuse us. Second, keep us uninformed and uninvolved. Third, divide any alliances we may have had with constantly promoting racism while appearing to fight it. Then comes fear, intimidation, shaming,extortion, bribery in the form of entitlements. Fervently insisting on gun control to disarm any and every potential revolutionary left after implementing the aforementioned. Flooding the US with third world workers whom are inclined and allegiant to Che Guevarra and his friend Mr. Castro to ensure left-wing activism and voting continues to dominate our political landscape for decades to come.

Its brilliant, really, in its scope and fervor.

We had the best form of government ever invented. I have nothing but respect for 'It'.......I just realize that.anything is quickly smashed to pcs once we become too complacent to keep out the bad elements.

Whoever ' They' are, they can't dominate us once and for all until they destroy everything we have built and achieved. Ferguson is just another example of this agenda of an all too often occurance of this theory in practice.

Scootertrash
08-19-2014, 09:41 PM
Every one of you is missing the fundamental POINT of ALL of this....
*snip*



No ironchop, many of us know full well what you are talking about. Sadly there are many more here and on other forums who refuse to even research the stuff you mentioned. As long as the .gov keeps promising them stuff, they'll keep their heads in the sand.

ironchop
08-19-2014, 10:15 PM
Yeah Scooter sometimes I like the smell of my own ass so much I forget to smell the roses :D

My apologies, sir.

You know there is much Irony in the fact that both sides are 'right'

Police need reigned in quite a bit. Ethnic groups need to take more responsibility for what happens to them. White folks need to stop letting the AG and POTUS both make them feel guilty and responsible for things they cannot control. ALL folks DESERVE a fair and impartial trial by jury of peers. Looting, theivery are not acceptable forms of protest. Out of Towners should stay out of a local issue instead of provoking or instigating mayhem chaos in someone else's neighborhood.

It is also entirely possible that both Brown and Wilson are in the wrong. When the Neighborhood Thug meets Officer Nazi Pants scenario. A battle of Egos ensues and the bored masses with a bone to pick field a dog in the fight and choose seperate sides. Instead of two wrong jakasses, you get a whole crowd of Idiocy with both sides being both right and wrong simultaneously......enter Chaos.......and the Feds to save us all from ourselves.

6speedthumper
08-19-2014, 11:02 PM
Yeah Scooter sometimes I like the smell of my own ass so much I forget to smell the roses :D

My apologies, sir.

You know there is much Irony in the fact that both sides are 'right'

Police need reigned in quite a bit. Ethnic groups need to take more responsibility for what happens to them. White folks need to stop letting the AG and POTUS both make them feel guilty and responsible for things they cannot control. ALL folks DESERVE a fair and impartial trial by jury of peers. Looting, theivery are not acceptable forms of protest. Out of Towners should stay out of a local issue instead of provoking or instigating mayhem chaos in someone else's neighborhood.

It is also entirely possible that both Brown and Wilson are in the wrong. When the Neighborhood Thug meets Officer Nazi Pants scenario. A battle of Egos ensues and the bored masses with a bone to pick field a dog in the fight and choose seperate sides. Instead of two wrong jakasses, you get a whole crowd of Idiocy with both sides being both right and wrong simultaneously......enter Chaos.......and the Feds to save us all from ourselves.


Very true, Ironchop. Oh, and on a side note, I agree with you about the government itself, and what it stands for, and what it's supposed to be doing (in the simplest words). The government I hate, is the people who run it, and do as you said they do------

"I dont hate the government. We have.the fairest, most impartial, free republic in all the world.......when its working as designed.....by men with integrity.

What I do hate is the Corruption inherent in so many human beings that usurps and distorts our system for the sole purpose of Wealth and Power. I hate that I cant sit down with one of the many good hearted and hard working ethnic minorities that live in my neighborhood without wondering if they believe all the nonsense they are being fed by our ' fair and objective media'.

I hate that I feel like these jackwads are winning at convincing us all that we shouldn't trust or respect each other. Gun control, inciting riots, promoting and arming terrorists, inciting hate between classes and races, and even dividing us hopelessly on even our political views and associations."


Like my dad says, "the fish stinks from the head down"...

El Camexican
08-19-2014, 11:29 PM
Does anyone here in this thread have any opinions or facts related to this incident that were not transcended from some form of federal and corporate media? Anyone actually boots on the ground in the neighborhood that night that personally knows an eye witness, or has someone that knows the officer in question, or at-least knows someone that works in the department?

I believe there is one person on here that has had to walk onto the streets of Ferguson wearing a badge, but if he’s as smart as I think he is, he knows that any comments made on here would be used against him if he were (God forbid) forced to discharge his weapon today, or any other.

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 11:40 PM
And again the interaction between the police and the rioters and looters is likened to the interaction between Brown and Wilson. Two completely different dynamics.

The people are being aggressive as a reaction to aggressive behavior, something I certainly can't fault them for. Unfortunately, it doesn't solve anything.

ironchop
08-19-2014, 11:52 PM
Im thankful but sad

I was a white version of Brown at that same age. I was always fighting, stealing, getting arrested, did time several times. I was mean and worthless.

The difference between me and Brown are the times, not the race. In 1990 the police didn't kill you for punching them in the face or I wouldve been shot dead twice. They beat your ass with that telescoping stick or a club but you got your day in court.

Im testament to the fact that a rotten thug ass kid can turn himself around and live righteously if given the chance and thankfully, I was rather than the fate befallen that kid.

Just something for us to think about

DohcBikes
08-19-2014, 11:55 PM
Im thankful but sad

I was a white version of Brown at that same age. I was always fighting, stealing, getting arrested, did time several times. I was mean and worthless.

The difference between me and Brown are the times, not the race. In 1990 the police didn't kill you for punching them in the face or I wouldve been shot dead twice. They beat your ass with that telescoping stick or a club but you got your day in court.

Im testament to the fact that a rotten thug ass kid can turn himself around and live righteously if given the chance and thankfully, I was rather than the fate befallen that kid.

Just something for us to think aboutAll this and more. Thanks Doug, I should have said something like this by now, not sure why I haven't.

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 12:07 AM
And again the interaction between the police and the rioters and looters is likened to the interaction between Brown and Wilson. Two completely different dynamics.

The people are being aggressive as a reaction to aggressive behavior, something I certainly can't fault them for. Unfortunately, it doesn't solve anything.

Lost me there buddy. Hate, disrespect, distain for authority and a belief that might makes right all rolled into one negative force? I could be describing the rioting mob or Big Mike as a single individual, could I not?

The difference being that a sane persons IQ diminishes when added to a collective group of likeminded individuals. The larger the group the lower the collective IQ, they can’t help themselves, but Mike, if thinking clearly should have had no reason (unless you count the robbery) not to have respectfully obeyed the instructions of the officer as there was no mob to egg him on, but whatever he instead choose to do cost him his life.

Reminds me a little of a guy who recently jumped off his trike and rushed a cop with no real provocation other than that he was having a bad day and decided that being pulled over by someone who was well within his authority to do so pissed him off. If nothing else this tragedy may make him think twice next time.

I’ve read Mike was headed to college, yet there he is on tape robbing a store and being a bully. I can’t help but wonder if he didn’t suffer from a fear of success. Scared to grow up, join the system, earn a living, be a man. It’s no joke, I see it in Mexico all the time in the lower classes, people are scared to work hard make it as they fear they’ll lose their friends and identity in the community. Maybe Mike decided he’d rather be a bad azz thug than a good student. Guess we’ll never know.

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 07:11 AM
Or maybe he was just a kid that made a mistake, just like the rest of us have at one time or another. The entire post above is conjecture from somebody that also has no idea what the situation was, never knew Michael brown, and probably has not the slightest idea of the struggles inner city kids face in 2014. Sure hope all your kids are perfect folks, I bet they are.

Group think, like, what happens here when any politically charged event happens? Yep.

Hell, I've probably stolen some blunt wraps a time or two, I can't really remember, imagine that.... guess they shoulda just shot me.

Wait now, I've also had a fully uniformed officer by the vest, up against a wall,,, breathing fire into his face and threatening to hospitalize him if he touched my friend again. His commanding officer was witness. I walked away a free man that day. You can believe it or not, it happened.

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 08:10 AM
Live by the sword, die by the sword. No, not every hot head deserves to die, but they increase the likelihood of it happening when they act out.

sledcrazyinCT
08-20-2014, 08:12 AM
Or maybe he was just a kid that made a mistake, just like the rest of us have at one time or another.

Hell, I've probably stolen some blunt wraps a time or two, I can't really remember, imagine that.... guess they shoulda just shot me.

Wait now, I've also had a fully uniformed officer by the vest, up against a wall,,, breathing fire into his face and threatening to hospitalize him if he touched my friend again. His commanding officer was witness. I walked away a free man that day. You can believe it or not, it happened.

Consider yourself lucky......we live in a different America now. Hope for your well being that you have evolved since assaulting police typically does not end up where they let you leave without posting bail and reserving a court date. LOL

BTW evolve has numerous definitions....... here are two showing it means grow up........

Evolve means: How does something start out and grow or build itself up over time. also 'evolve' means to grow into a better thing

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 08:47 AM
You're absolutely right we do. We live in an america where they dont even let you have a fist fight without copping a felony charge, which is fcking pathetic. We live in an america where half the people think its OK to shoot an unarmed man to death, even though he wasn't even fighting anymore. Murder.

10 to one says this cop has never punched anybody in the face or been in any hand to hand fight unless he had somebody there to save his ass if he failed. Or a gun to back him up.

Still trying to make those comments OK huh, hmmm. If there's nothing wrong with them, why the need to defend? They weren't even your words!!

By the way sled crazy, you and nobody else have answered my question.

If the coward wasn't in FEAR, then why did he need to kill Michael? Shoot, I hope he says he wasn't afraid!! That way it'll be shown for what it was with no further defense, a clear cut act of violence.

sledcrazyinCT
08-20-2014, 08:50 AM
When will black leaders and Hollywood put young people ahead of their own interests?


http://www.cnsnews.com/video/national/oreilly-americas-race-problem

To stop situations like Ferguson we must change how younger generations are being raised... simple right?

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 08:57 AM
If there's nothing wrong with them, why the need to defend?

Dude, you need to take it down a notch. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, right wrong or to be determined. He's not defending anything other than the proper use of a word which you seem to take offence to because of the definition you equate it with. I suspect he was just trying to save you the trouble of a long response over your opinion of the definition. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

sledcrazyinCT
08-20-2014, 09:04 AM
Still trying to make those comments OK huh, hmmm. If there's nothing wrong with them, why the need to defend? They weren't even your words!!



I shared this words meaning for the sake of using it intelligently in the future.....just educating you...so you know better next time. :welcome:

My posting a definition of a word you misunderstood from another post is to show EVOLVE can be used in different context you are not familiar with. Posting a words definition is not defending anything except the correct use of the english language!

Still waiting for some facts to verify your posts earlier in this thread? The fact you fight cops is not the relevant facts I am seeking in this situation, rather I want to see your sources that you draw the conclusion this cop acted cowardly. Or that Mr. Brown actaully was running away and shot from behind..... so far two autopsies show the bullets entered his body in a manner conclusive to a person approaching the gun not running away from the gun fire.

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 09:05 AM
It has nothing to do with the definition, but the context in which the words were spoken. Dance around it all you want, I really don't care!!

Turn what down a notch? My opinion doesn't match the group thinking crowd you mentioned, so I should shut my mouth?? Hahahahahahaha.

No problem El, I'll step out of this thread. That way ya'll can keep the group together.

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 10:19 AM
Turn what down a notch? My opinion doesn't match the group thinking crowd you mentioned, so I should shut my mouth?? Hahahaha

What I mean by take it down a notch is a polite suggestion to tone down the arguing for the sake of arguing. For Christ sake the other day you posted BS on a 6 year old tread over nothing, WTF fueled that? Not saying you don’t have the privilege to do so while on here, but it makes you appear “less evolved” than I would expect from you. You’re a smart guy, I like you for as well as I know you on here, but as a cyber-friend I am disappointed with the attitude of late. Bringing up wrestling with cops and stealing? I hope that isn’t supposed to impress anyone. We all have a past and no one is stopping you from sharing it, but just because any of us broke the law and got away with it doesn’t make it right.

Seems to me that with time you’re getting bitter, not better as a wise man once said to me.

Peace out Bro

trike savior
08-20-2014, 10:42 AM
This is a topic that hits very close to home for me as one of my friends growing up, was murdered by police in Colorado about 5 years ago. It kills me inside that this is becoming such a common thing. As an avid live leak watcher, I see videos of fatal police shootings all the time and in many cases the assailants are unarmed. It seems the norm for police officers these days, is to “taze” if not compliant and “shoot to kill” if in a physical altercation.

One video that has really stuck with me was about a year ago, an officer shot an elderly gentlemen when he grabbed his cane after the officer ordered him out of the truck. The officer was standing by his cruiser when he fired which was about 3 cars from the vehicle. He was too far to see anything clearly and too quick to shoot.

I feel there is a serious need to revise the rules of engagement for law enforcement as well as screen officers better. As Bill Maher was saying on his last show, we need to find a way to weed out the ar$eholes that got made fun of in school and want to get back at everybody. Furthermore I would like to see more officers willing to get bloody instead of immediately shooting at possible threats and not a “clear and present danger”. Might even settle for shoot to immobilize instead of kill.

When I was younger I watched a cop hand his badge and gun to his partner and fight my buddy’s dad because he was egging the guy on. What happened to those kind of officers? My home town is now called “CHI-RAQ” and many say the reason is that these people are afraid to fight with their hands anymore and use a gun for everything. Our law enforcement is getting the same way.

We need to do something to improve our law enforcement soon or as others have said here, we will be heading toward martial law everywhere in America. I recently had a friend, an Iraq and Afghanistan veteran, decide to re-enlist. They gave him a questionnaire he had not seen before, that contained questions like, “would you fight for a cause you do not agree with”, and something along the lines of would you be able to uphold the laws of the country against your family and friends. He said the whole thing sounded like they were asking if he would continue to work in a state of martial law the public was against. That was when it became real to me that there could be a real bad agenda our government is working towards.

The patriot act was the biggest infringement of American rights in history. Allowed by a public motivated by such fear that was hyped and possibly created by its own government. I Don’t agree that there were bombs planted in the WTC but there is strong evidence that suggests the government may have let some things happen.

I am not anti-government. It can do some great things when there are good people steering the ship. Trust me, that is hard to say coming from Illinois, the most corrupt state. But evil people can do some seriously horrible things with that much power. And these days most of our representatives are puppets for the groups that make the biggest campaign contributions. Oh, and somehow our super wise supreme court says that is ok.

The other thing I would like to voice my opinion on here is the racial part of it because I feel for the short life I have had so far, I have lived and learned with more minorities than a lot of people do. That said, I have adopted an old friends saying that “I am not racist because I hate all races equally”. Every ethnic group has their trash and the people of that group hate the bad ones as much as everyone else does. I have heard from many friends about their crazy cousin or relative of some kind that runs with gangs and always in trouble with the law, they talk about these types of people the same way I would. The people pulling this crap in Ferguson are just the scum of the earth using this opportunity to get things they normally could not afford or steal.

This is fresh in my head because I am still going crazy over the fact that I had a gun pulled on me this past weekend. 2 year olds birthday party and the neighbors across the alley decide to pick a fight for no reason. Dudes wife pulls out a gun and points it at me in front of women, children and everyone. After it was all over my one buddy, a 350 lb. Puerto Rican says to me, “that is why I hate my kind sometimes.” Not the first time I have heard that.

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 10:49 AM
I am not arguing with anybody. Start reading this thread again. I attempted to stay completely out of it, but was baited into explaining my position on what 6speed said, and then further about my my opinion on the matter, so I guess ya'll got what you asked for. Sorry you didn't like it.

The 6 year old thread I dug up, I had a comment I wanted to make on the incorrect use of the word mint, which affects the market I work in. I also complimented the o.p. on his trike. Maybe you didnt know, but he was logged on and posting that day bud. You obviously are referring to the response from c.j. that was b.s. I did not respond to little punk whatsoever, so you are way off base even bringing it up.

By the way, here is the response to my 'blasting'...http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/84313-225DR-pictures-for-edog/page2

As mentioned before! Keep focusing on me!! It'll solve everything!

Here's a thought, maybe if you stop addressing me in your posts, I'll stop responding, and you all cann continue the bond fire without any opposing opinions.

ironchop
08-20-2014, 11:16 AM
I don't brush stroke all LEO`s with the same paint either.

believe there are a large but silent majority of Police who are good servants of the communities they work in. We have to understand that this problem is very complex. This thing didn`t just spawn overnight with the iron fist of Authoritarianism. This has been developed for some decades now. I know several officers I would call friend. Not one of them had any fear of doing the job when they applied to the force. One has even mentioned that he was trained to fear citizens and their potential for violence. He wasn`t scared when he showed up for work that first day, he was TRAINED to be scared.....for whatever reason and there are many....point is this is brow beaten into them to be suspicious and always be on your toes for whackjobs with weapons to punch their card. I know the kinds of tactics used to train new recruits and they are sometimes being trained in the same manner as one would train a soldier......This is the inherent flaw.....Soldiers are not trained to respect civil rights. They are trained to recognize a threat and eliminate it with impunity. This doesn`t work in a Constitutional Republic.

We all demanded officers be "tougher on crime" back in the 70s 80s and 90s. We armed with handguns, shotguns, and (around here) ARs and M14s. We trained them to be snipers. We EXPECTED them to violate a few rights along the way. We will deny that fact but you all have seen "Cops".......no way to deny that they have been treading a grey area for a VERY long time now. We demanded Mandatory Minimum Sentencing. We demanded more prisons. We demanded Three Strikes Laws. We demanded the Brady Bill and every piece of anti-gun legislation to come down the pike......until we realized that we were indeed already halfway down a slippery slope.

We demanded ALL of these things from our public servants as officers and now that we have what we asked for, we understand it was the WRONG THING to ask for........so what do we do? Blame the cops. Obviously they should have had the foresight to see what we wanted was not a good idea. That's why we elected them right? Because we don`t want to think things through. We don't want to make good decisions. We want to ASSUME that public servant types just show up to work all benevolent and righteous and carry out what`s best for us so we don`t have to dirty our own hands......And when those officers show us the darker side of EVERY human? We feign shock and outrage so we don't have to admit our own flaws, take any responsibility, or make any real change.

I`ve heard this from soldiers and officers alike:

Loosely...."WE give them what they say they want us to do and who they want us to be and then they are outraged at us. The expectations of some folks are really impossible to live up to"

Ferguson is complex and its solution can only be possible if ALL sides ACCEPT responsibility for what happened there and elsewhere. (blacks aren`t the only perps getting killed by police but they are the only group your media will allow you to hear about)

If you told me that Officer Wilson was a racist trigger jockey with a death fetish I would call BS on that. Im agreeing with others who mentioned it in this thread. Nobody knows what was really goin on in the heads of those two that day and we never will know the whole truth. But I don`t think officer Wilson went to work just dyin to "cap a thug" and get away with it.

I honestly believe (my own opinion) that Officer Wilson and many other officers all over the country who have killed are doing the job AS THEY WERE TRAINED to do. By that definition, this officer executed his duty exactly as he was trained and in any other career, would have been heralded for his discipline and perseverance.

I also agree with NOT releasing his name to the press so that the Spike Lee`s of social media can threaten and harass his whole family.

You wanna be mad about Ferguson? Be mad at a society that raises children to have no respect for themselves or others. Blame the system that trains militant cops and arms them to the 9s with military gear. Blame the fact that we all sit in judgement of one another and make snap decisions based on these unfounded judgements and then assume we know everything we need to know before the riots begin. Blame ourselves for not holding your own mainstream media more accountable.

Especially keep in mind that we are all responsible for the Police State that we have built. One or two bad officers does not Martial Law make. Its much bigger and more entrenched than that and blaming bad cops, racism, unemployment, and lack of respect merely glosses over the big picture.

Caminofeld
08-20-2014, 11:29 AM
It's crazy to see how far this thread has gone...many different opinions and world views, which is great. When I hang out with my friends, we all pretty much think alike so there's hardly ever any real spark for debate. It's refreshing to come on here and realize that not everyone sees the world as I do. I have taken many good things from reading everyone's postings, so thank you all.

I just wanted to clarify my intent for initially posting this thread, which was to express frustration over people's ignorance. Rioting over a situation where no real evidence existed to prove their side of the story and then vilifying LE for doing their job by quelling violence in the streets (after the shooting). I feel I'm doing the logical thing by not taking a side on the initial shooting until all the evidence is presented. Maybe Brown was unlawfully executed or maybe the Police Officer was legitimately attacked and used his weapon within the parameters of the law. Just like with the protesters, a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch...meaning the small amount of violent protesters/looters and the small amount of crooked cops gives both sides a skewed perception of the groups as a whole. I work and train with LE, military, and paramilitary so I've been privy to much dialogue from experts in the field regarding legal aspects of repelling a threat and what constitutes a threat. I've also done enough full contact sparring (with and without weapons), tactical training, and unfortunately been in quite a few real fights...which gives me enough experience to say that in a potentially life-threatening situation things are reflexive and happen often too quickly to really think fully about anything but getting the f*** outta there and saving your butt.

I'll post more later, but in closing I was happy to see the news today, where hundreds of black citizens under the command of black leaders were out in force discouraging anything but peaceful protest. It ain't much, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 01:00 PM
The 6 year old thread I dug up, I had a comment I wanted to make on the incorrect use of the word mint, which affects the market I work in

Exactly my point. A word used six years ago in a post, a word misused by thousands if not millions of English speaking people every day and you had to point it out and tear into everyone who tried to identify a trike? I remember a guy on here that did things like that and I recall you blasting me for pointing out an error in one of his posts. The guy you blasted could have gone from grade school to a Masters in English by now, but still you had to get on his case. You’re acting like a rebel without a clue.

By the way, if you’re using the word “Mint” in your industry which last I heard was automotive/motorcycle related then you should be aware it has no place in your vocabulary unless you are referring to one of its two recognized meanings. To use it otherwise is urban slang, which surely a person of your verbal integrity would never stoop to.

mint1
mint/
noun
noun: mint; plural noun: mints; noun: common mint
1. 1. an aromatic plant native to temperate regions of the Old World, several kinds of which are used as culinary herbs.
 the flavor of mint, especially peppermint.
2. 2. a peppermint candy.



Here's a thought, maybe if you stop addressing me in your posts, I'll stop responding, and you all cann continue the bond fire without any opposing opinions.

Likely won't happen. I don't see you letting me have the final word. Besides, you're 15 posts strong into this topic already, why quit now?

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 01:58 PM
Let's do this in a format that I'm sure you have woefully pined for over the past few months.:D


The guy you blasted could have gone from grade school to a Masters in English by now,I blasted nobody on the thread. My quote was, "it's not mint, but it sure is a GORGEOUS SURVIVOR!!" Thats blasting? Um, no, you know I'm better at it than that El. FYI, if the guy hadn't had a link to his "all original and mint" trike in his signature, which was in a post yesterday, I would never have seen the thread. Now, I followed that link to see an original, mint trike. Pardon me for pointing out the obvious.

Once again, here's the response from a non-sensitive person, so I guess the validity of your opinion on the matter, is nill. http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/84313-225DR-pictures-for-edog/page2


You’re acting like a rebel without a clue.

I assure you, it is not an act. :lol:


surely a person of your verbal integrity

I see what you did there. I'm smilin'.



mint1
mint/
noun
noun: mint; plural noun: mints; noun: common mint
1. 1. an aromatic plant native to temperate regions of the Old World, several kinds of which are used as culinary herbs.
 the flavor of mint, especially peppermint.
2. 2. a peppermint candy.

Ahhh, now this is also familiar...:lol:

My stories of theft and violence are to show that I can relate to the "thug", I've been in his shoes. If you knew the whole story about the officer I roughed up, and where we were, and why his boss stood there with his hands at his side, then you'd know why I did it in the first place. The point of that story was, I had HANDS ON this officer extremely aggressively, and neither one shot me.


Do I disagree with violent protest? Oh yes.
Do I think Wilson is trash? No, I don't. I have been harsh in my posts to create an idea of how angry his actions make me.
Do I think Brown fought him? Yes.
Do I think Brown should have been shot? I think that more than likely it was necessary, for Wilson to create distance from somebody that was beating him in a physical confrontation.
Do I think the kid needed to be repeatedly shot until he was dead? No. That outcome undoubtedly took more than one mistake by Wilson to transpire. That is my opinion, and if you don't like it, too damn bad.



I don't see you letting me have the final word.As long as it's "hey Dohc, you're so wonderful and smart, and great, and everything you say is exactly true, on point, and totally agreeable with everything I say, thanks man.", then maybe I'll consider it.....:lol:

This is one conversation amongst many with me El. I don't feel like it's fair for me to be judged for my opinions on one severely controversial matter. All in all, my communication skills have always been lacking.

I'll try to be better, not bitter, just for you buddy.:beer:beer:beer:beer

In response to the post below,,,, that's funny, but all in all Barnett is one the smartest technical people i've ever spoken with. He is a great resource and friend when he is treated with respect.

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 02:45 PM
Bar•nett•ism
noun \ˈbär-nətt-ˌis-əm\
: The theory that multiple posts combined with quotes regardless of depth or value constitutes validity of opinion

ironchop
08-20-2014, 03:32 PM
this thread is pretty cool

There are a lot of intelligent and introspective people on here (not me, I just wing it and see what sticks)...I wish we could have a NATIONAL discourse about this all.

This thread needs a great big ole TITTY pic to liven the mood!!

:Bounce

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 04:01 PM
Or do ya mean like these??199366



199367

ironchop
08-20-2014, 04:42 PM
Or do ya mean like these??199366

ARGHHHH!!!!!

MY EYES!! MY BURNING, BURNING EYES!

I think you just melted my retina. thanks damon.

sledcrazyinCT
08-20-2014, 05:05 PM
They dont care what the truth is, they used this too get you guys to stop talking about all the illegals coming across the border, you stop talking about EBOLA, and a few dozen other things the Giverment is doing to us,..
Works everytime..


Here's the gentle giant 6'8" 300# roughing up the store owner he just robbed. SO EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN HOW THIS IS NOT RELEVANT IN WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM LATER IN THE DAY?

What a joke....these guys were on a roll and thought messing with a cop was something else fun to do.....think again right?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t174/snowattitude/10500355_595685443886501_3845317632059262037_n_zps 1ace9087.jpg



Then to make a point of 'injustice' against Mr. Brown understood folks say forget a peaceful demonstration, let risk getting shot ourselves :crazy:


http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t174/snowattitude/10436170_10152251013911641_4593678554192415034_n_z pscbe2041f.jpg

Somehow I still can't understand this other POV. If this happened outside of America they would take care of protesters like this very differently.

DohcBikes
08-20-2014, 05:09 PM
ARGHHHH!!!!!

MY EYES!! MY BURNING, BURNING EYES!

I think you just melted my retina. thanks damon.


I can't find the thread, I even spelled things in Canadian to try to find it, but this quote in regard to my sense of humour comes to mind...



"Originally Posted by El Camexican >>

"You are a 'special' kind of mean....

:Bounce:beer:crazy::Bounce:beer:crazy::Bounce:beer :crazy:

6speedthumper
08-20-2014, 05:11 PM
I was told that the store owners didn't call the cops because they didn't want to start trouble. Now that is bad! Apparently a store customer called the police?

Louis Mielke
08-20-2014, 05:52 PM
I'm going to quote some rules of the internet in response to this thread, some good advice for many people in this thread.

• Rule 7: No matter how much you love debating, keep in mind that no one on the internet debates. Instead they're only mocking your intelligence as well as your parents.

• Rule 11: There are no real rules about moderation either - enjoy your ban

• Rule 32: Lurk more - it's never enough

I'm so tempted to click the 'close this thread' box. Lot of worthless posts in here.

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 06:05 PM
I'm so tempted to click the 'close this thread' box.

You're the boss, just PLEEEEEASE don't delete Mr. Clean's post!

Mosh
08-20-2014, 08:03 PM
I'm going to quote some rules of the internet in response to this thread, some good advice for many people in this thread.

• Rule 7: No matter how much you love debating, keep in mind that no one on the internet debates. Instead they're only mocking your intelligence as well as your parents.

• Rule 11: There are no real rules about moderation either - enjoy your ban

• Rule 32: Lurk more - it's never enough

I'm so tempted to click the 'close this thread' box. Lot of worthless posts in here.
Yeah this thread was going mushy turd in the toilet until....
SledCrazy's post with the shoe store pic...Post of the year maybe...Straight shooter with upper management written all over him..

PLZ don't close this thread Lou...Didn't you get the memo?? We gots the rights to free speach..As long as we protest peacefully..:D
Even ifs we gots the boobies shakin







as far as actual moderation, as Mosh is lamenting, I'm more often than not now a days being accused of being much too "laissez-faire" than I am heavy handed.

hoosierlogger
08-20-2014, 08:13 PM
This forum needs a fight club like .Org had. You have to have a password to get in and almost anything goes. If you get easily offended, don't ask for the password. Simple as that. That would be a great place
For this thread. And a few others I have seen recently.

6speedthumper
08-20-2014, 08:42 PM
This forum needs a fight club like .Org had. You have to have a password to get in and almost anything goes. If you get easily offended, don't ask for the password. Simple as that. That would be a great place
For this thread. And a few others I have seen recently.


I kinda like that idea, and yes, there have been a few threads lately that'd be better off out of the "mainstream". But, it all comes down to personalities and any thread can end up there depending on who, or how a person, responds. I don't know if it'd take that much more moderation or not.

Louis Mielke
08-20-2014, 09:14 PM
Even ifs we gots the boobies shakin


I fixed it :-)

Louis Mielke
08-20-2014, 09:15 PM
I hear Dan has .org working pretty well now. They could really use the traffic even if it is to the fight club. :-)

El Camexican
08-20-2014, 11:11 PM
I fixed it :-)

I beg to differ...
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El Camexican
08-21-2014, 12:09 AM
Just watched a second guy in Ferguson get himself shot on the Mexican news. Not sure if ya'll get to see it as graphically as we do here, but it was crystal clear from start to finish. The guy pulls a knife out in a gun fight and begs to be shot. Got his wish too, sounded like about 8 times. I wonder if they'll weigh him with or without the lead in him? Regardless, there's one guy who can't say his tax dollars aren't serving his wants. Too bad the cops will have to fill out all that paperwork.

Can't wait to see what Sharpton has to say about this one, but one suggestion might be for his followers to stop begging to be shot. Ya can't fix stupid, but apparently you exploit it and get rich off it, right Al?;)

6speedthumper
08-21-2014, 08:11 AM
Just watched a second guy in Ferguson get himself shot on the Mexican news. Not sure if ya'll get to see it as graphically as we do here, but it was crystal clear from start to finish. The guy pulls a knife out in a gun fight and begs to be shot. Got his wish too, sounded like about 8 times. I wonder if they'll weigh him with or without the lead in him? Regardless, there's one guy who can't say his tax dollars aren't serving his wants. Too bad the cops will have to fill out all that paperwork.

Can't wait to see what Sharpton has to say about this one, but one suggestion might be for his followers to stop begging to be shot. Ya can't fix stupid, but apparently you exploit it and get rich off it, right Al?;)

I heard about that, I believe it happened Tuesday. Still have not watched any coverage of the "event". But, yeah, it sounds like he got what he wanted. "Momma always said, 'stupid is as stupid does'."

6speedthumper
08-21-2014, 08:20 AM
Okay, El, went to check my email, and they had one of those news blurbs pop up and it was about the 2nd shooting. I can add much to it because they freeze the video right before the guy gets shot. They keep the sound rolling, but, won't let us see anymore then that.

ironchop
08-21-2014, 09:26 AM
well, I`ve done my absolute best to keep my opinion to myself as to the moderation of this place. On several occasions, I have tried to stick up for them as I know it`s got to be annoying to come home from work and sort this place out. Lately though, I`m just outright perplexed.

I`ve witnessed so many double standards over the years here regarding the choice of who to moderate and who not to and frankly, I`m over trying to figure it out.

Last week Hawaiirider was threatening to meet ppl at the dunes for "a rumble" or "nerds get a beatdown" and where were the mods? NOWHERE. Where you lurking that day, Louis?

So what I take from this is: It`s ok to threaten to whoop somebodies ass hiding from behind a keyboard on here in a thread with not a word spoken from Mods yet if four or five guys get into a disagreement about the definition of racism and sling off-topic accusations against the one another which NEVER turned into any threats, that`s grounds for locking a thread apparently......Possible racism, no! Threatening to fight ppl because you got upset for getting called out, A-OK!

for reference: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/169251-Rare-Pro-Tec-Tri-moto-175-getting-crushed-this-weekend/page2?highlight=hawaiirider

You`ll notice Thorpe did a great job diffusing the situation. Perhaps he should be a mod. The posts were reported so don`t try and tell me they weren`t. Do I see any threats of locking that thread? Nope. Threats are cool, right? It`s ok to act like a badass dick and threaten folks but we can`t say the word trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro..........seriousl y? One minute this place resembles a Baptist Church Facebook page and the next, grown men are having what I would term a mild disagreement especially by the standards here and suddenly, out from the woodwork, come threats to close it down.

I`m confused so I think I should just go to .org but probably, I`ll just stick in my own garage building trikes while people come here to express their feelings and hold each other while being persuaded to speak in a manner that will not offend the people who will always be offended over something........the milquetoast around here is really wearing thin and I`m tired of trying to figure this out. Either you are moderating or you are not. I`m not interested in debating this issue anymore. I`ve stated my position and we ALL already know the position of the mods before I said a word. The writing is on the wall.

Anyway, y`all have a nice time and thanks for a great run and all the help!

DohcBikes
08-21-2014, 09:47 AM
Yes I'll concur Doug. The moderation angle here changes day to day.

The part that confuses me, in this thread in particular, is that we were CLEARLY on thbackside of the argument and starting to agree to disagree when the lock threat came in. All on this thread kept in inside the ring, there were no cheap shots or threats to anybody. I personally respect everybody that opposed me here a little more now. Yes even six speed... Unfortunately, it seems like all it comes down to is whether or not the moderator enjoys the content or not.

This is an Internet Discussion forum (right?) In a MEMBERS ONLY section (right?). In my opinion, with the personalities we have here, it will be super obvious when a thread needs moderation, not murky.

I didn't ride my Honda ATC 1300+ miles and log the entire trip on this website for nothing, did I? If that makes no sense to whoever is reading, then it never will.

Lots of people on this thread bring lots of traffic to this website. You're welcome.

Mosh
08-21-2014, 10:42 AM
for reference: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/169251-Rare-Pro-Tec-Tri-moto-175-getting-crushed-this-weekend/page2?highlight=hawaiirider


Wait...We can sell stuff in the tech forums now? Cool. I though we were just limited to the classifieds and new members area.

El Camexican
08-21-2014, 11:26 AM
Wait...We can sell stuff in the tech forums now? Cool. I though we were just limited to the classifieds and new members area.

It would seem so.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/169109-10-in-wheel-Time-is-here-again-Jump-in-line-guys

DohcBikes
08-21-2014, 11:29 AM
^^^^awwwww..... SNAP.....I can think of a few other examples in particular...guess it just depends who ya are.

6speedthumper
08-21-2014, 11:49 AM
Yes I'll concur Doug. The moderation angle here changes day to day.

The part that confuses me, in this thread in particular, is that we were CLEARLY on thbackside of the argument and starting to agree to disagree when the lock threat came in. All on this thread kept in inside the ring, there were no cheap shots or threats to anybody. I personally respect everybody that opposed me here a little more now. Yes even six speed... Unfortunately, it seems like all it comes down to is whether or not the moderator enjoys the content or not.

This is an Internet Discussion forum (right?) In a MEMBERS ONLY section (right?). In my opinion, with the personalities we have here, it will be super obvious when a thread needs moderation, not murky.

I didn't ride my Honda ATC 1300+ miles and log the entire trip on this website for nothing, did I? If that makes no sense to whoever is reading, then it never will.

Lots of people on this thread bring lots of traffic to this website. You're welcome.


I do agree, pal. I respect those in this thread more now that we have been sharing what "makes us tick" regarding this topic(s). And, yeah man, I respect you more, as well.

For the record, I thought your 1300+ mile road trip was badass!!!!

As for the moderation, I couldn't agree more. It surprised me to see the lock down card being thrown, when we were all on the down slope of a steep, rocky trail. There may have been some name calling and people being told to chill out, but, no threats. Personally, I'm not here to argue over everything I, or someone else, says. I don't expect my opinions and point of view to appease everyone, and I don't expect everyone's opinions and point of view to appease me. I also don't want to burn any bridges with anyone. I'd really like to hook up and ride with some of the folks here one day. Certainly don't want to go to TF (if that'll ever happen) and end up watching my back and avoiding people. That's not what life is about.

Here's a saying that I've always felt sums it up... You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

fabiodriven
08-21-2014, 08:38 PM
Certainly don't want to go to TF (if that'll ever happen) and end up watching my back and avoiding people. That's not what life is about.

Neither is Trikefest and such an event should never be sullied with even the mere suggestion. End of that topic. Carry on men.

czac
08-22-2014, 09:04 AM
any arguments, differences of opinion or beefs at TF should be settled on a track or with a wheelie contest or beer pong!! lol

6speedthumper
08-22-2014, 03:52 PM
any arguments, differences of opinion or beefs at TF should be settled on a track or with a wheelie contest or beer pong!! lol

What about flip cup?

Mr. Clean
08-22-2014, 04:55 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58317040-78/taylor-police-lake-salt.html.csp

Why are you pundits not talking about this story? Where is the DOJ and FBI? :rolleyes: Where is the attorney general? :rolleyes: Where is the lame duck President? :rolleyes: Where is the biased media? :rolleyes:

I find it incredulous that the SLC incident is not on the lame-stream media talking heads nor on the radar and being discussed by this corrupt fascist liberal gubment.

Yeah yeah....I know the answer.......

Its my opinion that there should be investigations and that due process should be followed. One could argue that it is never fair or one sided, however I believe that at least letting the facts from all sides be presented is the proper way to address this type of incident. In the SLC incident the officer had a camera on his chest, I certainly do not envy what "most" officers have to deal with daily.

hoosierlogger
08-22-2014, 05:16 PM
any arguments, differences of opinion or beefs at TF should be settled on a track or with a wheelie contest or beer pong!! lol

Settle it with slapshot.

Scootertrash
08-22-2014, 05:43 PM
Back on topic:

If you don't want trouble with the cops it's as easy as living your life by this one rule:

"Don't invite the man into your life"

Pretty friggin simple if you ask me.

Mosh
08-23-2014, 09:20 AM
Ya know I was sittin watching this stuff the other night. The night the storms rolled in. I woke up caught the headlines that read something to the effect...
" protests were limited and much less aggressive last night. More than likely the weather affected the turn out as strong storms were in the area "...

I got to thinking...I really never did put much stock in the convictions of most of the protesters. All along I felt the large majority were only in it for their own personal gain...ie...looting and just overall troublemaking.
A little rain moves in and they go running.

I started to think about the good people in this hobby of trikes and look back on my own personal experiences and was very impressed with the trike crowds dedication and conviction to our cause.
Many of us have fought tooth and nail for notice and support from an atv community that condemned three wheelers and a parts industry that left us for dead. Weeks have been spent in down right flooding rains at many Trikefest events , OTC races, swealtering heat waves at the Invasion...etc..Hours and thousands of dollars have been spent by middle class blue collar creative hard working trikers to re issue or bring forth new products...Donations have been collected and memorials erected for fallen riders..And it has not been a 12 day fad. It is a ongoing protest and devotion showcased by trikers for a cause they / we have been passionate about for years..

And looking back at the way these clowns acted...fair weather demonstrations in the form of violence and looting...makes them look even more silly to me...and a lot more proud of what the good people have done for carrying the torch of Trike riding.
I think people can look at the majority of the trike group and take some lessons on dedication to a cause and how to apply that to their own cause and be successful doing it....

atc007
08-23-2014, 10:36 AM
As with most threads here. I just haven't taken my time to speak. As some of you know, I do not really watch tv. A supercross here and there,American Pickers, Mountain Men. But no news,other than waiting rooms. I switched the clicker to the Outdoor channel couple nights ago..Watched MAYBE 5 minutes of a hunt. And ads come on,,Ferguson,,,HARD hitting interviews Sat night at 8 on Aljazeera. Rioting,,the ins and outs of why,,croud control. MILITARY designed police forces.. WTF!!!!!!!!!!????????? We have Aljazeera in the United States of America?? I mean,this ad was material Jerry Springers producers would be jealous of. Then I heard the next AM as my Brother was switching from RFD tv to local news,that the rioting had calmed because it was raining..RAINING?? Thats how important this mess is? It will wait ,as long as our sorry asses stay DRY?? To me that spoke volumes. Then ,as my Brothers watching RFD,the owner of that channel comes on for a special 30 minute session. Begging rural america to write and call their congressman. This Aljazeera network,,I should have added. I had friends and family in the 1st and 2nd Iraq wars. So,I KNOW aljazeera is THEIR network. Middle Eastern,is that politically correct? Anyhow, this Aljazeera has REPLACED RFD on most or all cable companies. Direct tv has flat out refused to even carry RFD,and finally had to bow down and carry them temporarily. But now,that is running out and the owner of DTV testified in congress,he will NOT carry the farm channel, RFD,and WILL carry Aljazeera. Dish network is the ONLY corp so far that says they will carry RFD. This may seem like another minute detail to most. It is NOT.

I also saw on the news in Ferguson. A wall of black people holding hands, forming a wall between the pieces of trash that need shot,,Sorry JMHO. and The Police. I was so saddened. To try and imagine being a decent person,in THAT situation. Your own ,likely, flesh and blood,wanting to charge through you to go get in trouble with the law. As this has unfolded, We had a 8 yo foster Son here with us. Black. I won't go into any specifics. Suffice to say that OUR tax dollars have provided Mom with EASILY,,easily,, $15000 in ink. New Iphone 5, new case everytime I see it,,I call it ,it. It is NOT human. 4 kids,4 diff donors,most from the same family. 4 kids in 4 foster homes ,New hair AND nails everytime we see it. Had to race out of court last time because it was going to Wildwood NJ on vacation,while FOUR foster homes care for her offspring. Obviously, No job,,biggest POS my eyes have ever seen. And buddy,, I have seen me some BIG pos !!!! She is white btw.. "dad" is black. Grew up in foster care 7- 17. I am really sorry for the rough beginnng. Honestly I am. But, your ass is 34 now,also with FOUR kids. 3 Different " baby moms".. Lives on welfare, no license,no car , our money that comes 1st of the month. 6,4,285. Could do ANY labor job with ease. Imagine THIS child in MY home. Hard work,sweat ,blood and tears. And the fruits to show for it. Clean the kitchen after a meal?? Why? Pick something up and put it away after you've used it? am I NUTS!!? We have done this 14 years. I have foster kids all up and down the east coast. Nurses,factory workers,mentally challenged,but STILL in work programs..What I consider success stories. they email,call, stay in touch. Some a lot more than others.

But I am done. I gave them my notice this week. It has crept into MY home for the last time. I feel a fn inch tall. I KNOW these kids need us. And I know it is wrong of me to quit. But, 14 years served,and 3 young Daughters of our own to raise. I have to put it on hold a while. I am assuming here. Most of you know that they shut down NYC , EVERY single Friday afternoon for the muslims to pray to alah? All these street s, SHUT DOWN. But the pledge of allegiance is illegal. Christmas, is a bad word. This country is DONE until there is bloodshed,and a LOT of it. I am very sorry. But that is the way I feel. There is ZERO chance a rugged ,go get em individual can possibly be elected into any power position anymore. So,in short for this thread. These "protests" were so very important,so long as the weather was good! And when the shoe stores open for the taking. Leave all the work boots! And there is ZERO need to talk about poor lil mr Brown. His Video from earlier in the day says it ALL. God help us all.

Scootertrash
08-23-2014, 03:31 PM
As my wife and I were having our "coffee talk" this morning, going over our plans for the day, she told me this little story:

She rides the train (light rail) to work when she works in the city, typically 2-3 days a week, the other days she's working in the 'burbs so she drives. On the days' there are Twins games, they have a cop randomly checking your train ticket stub as you enter the facility to get on the train. There was a game yesterday so the cop was there checking tickets. A mid to late teens urban youth was in front of the wife, backwards hat, drooping pants, in full downtown strut, etc. Cop waves him thru. The wife, in professional office attire, gets stopped to check her ticket. Can you guess the race of the cop?

What are the Rev Jackson, Rev Wright, and Eric Holder going to do about this shooting?:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/18965-black-cop-kills-unarmed-white-youth-media-and-feds-silent

Interesting that they are withholding the name of the officer until the "appropriate time"

Double standards anyone?

6speedthumper
08-23-2014, 03:56 PM
This is a VERY smart, realistic, eyes wide open man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE

tripledog
08-23-2014, 08:27 PM
Hope things calm down...

DohcBikes
08-26-2014, 02:04 PM
While I do realize that mass media is not the way to get information, we are not left with much choice in this matter. That's what happens when the cops fck up, the facts get hidden and changed to their liking. Don't tell me it doesn't happen.

WARNING. THIS VIDEO SHOWS THE BODY OF AN UNARMED, MURDERED TEEN LAYING IN THE STREET. For those that want to imagine that micheal brown was 'charging the officer' when he got shot in the top of the head, I challenge you to find a single eyewitness video that even suggests it happened that way. All eyewitness accounts I've seen say the same thing. Cop grabbed him, for WHATEVER REASON, (jaywalking), couldn't control him, shot him from INSIDE the car, Shot him again with Micheals back turned, and continued to shoot him after an unarmed brown had already signaled his surrender to the unwarranted and extremely excessive use of force. Every eyewitness account so far says the cop stood over him and fired after he was already on the ground.

I don't give a f@&k what color you are, brown or wilson are. Stop making excuses, this kid was murdered. There are several warnings at the beginning of the video, just like the warning stickers on your trikes, so don't rag on me for posting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvE-1qAs1W4

czac
08-26-2014, 03:01 PM
watching a couple vids on this it does look fishy now. we may never know what happened but some people are saying the same thing, that the cop shot from the car, mike ran, the cop shot, mike stopped and raised his hands, then the cop shot him a few more times... Hmmm. who knows for sure? the cop and MB and neither one will ever tell us the truth.

czac
08-26-2014, 03:30 PM
the only thing that has supposedly been proven wrong was that MB was not shot in the back, all the shots were from the front. which really doesn't prove he was or was not charging or standing still but it kinda takes a little credit away from the "eye witnesses", a little... But hey you know what? I don't put 100% of my trust into the cops anyhow, not with all the BS I have seen then doing on videos that show without a doubt that there are a lot of crooked ones out there on the streets. Just this summer a video was shot here in Bridgeport of the police grabbing this guy in a park and kicking the crap out of him and worse, another cop comes driving across the park to join in on the beating... the guy was down, getting kicked and hit, this other cop did not need to jump in. And this brings me to why I choose to conceal/carry...cops aren't paid to "protect you from crime or stop it before it happens" they are only there to investigate it after the fact! and why it really bugs me when the liberal D-bag, gun grabbers say, "You don't need to protect yourself with a gun, that's what the Police are for.." really? I gotta wait even 5 minutes for a cop to come to help me and that's only IF I can call them? then I gotta hope they get there in time to save my trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro, then hope they don't actually shoot me in the process?
Id rather have the peace of mind that carrying gives me, even if I don't really ever wanna have to use it or even pull it out in some Effed up situation, but at least I know its there and if need be, it may (or may not, Im smart enough to understand this) save my life! Hopefully I wont have to find out. I have come this far in life so maybe at least on this front, I can go all the way without incident! lol

video of the Bridgeport beating, don't know what the guy filming it was doing but its really shaky... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQrwqncXug

DohcBikes
08-26-2014, 07:03 PM
Hmmm. who knows for sure? the cop and MB and neither one will ever tell us the truth.WTF do you mean who knows?!!?? How bout all the people that saw it happen! Oh I forgot, they're all black and poor, which equals worthless testimony to all the high and mighty here.

fabiodriven
08-26-2014, 08:17 PM
Oh I forgot, they're all black and poor, which equals worthless testimony to all the high and mighty here.

Call me high and mighty if you want or call me a racist if that floats your boat. I'm not here to label anyone. In my personal experience, I've met bad people of all shapes, sizes, and colors. That doesn't mean that every fat person is no good, or every bald man is an arse, and it certainly doesn't make all black people bad.

Having gone to a regional high school that had kids from roughly 7 surrounding towns, including the City of Brockton which has its areas that are not the types of places you would want to spend too much time, I experienced "urban" kids first hand. I will tell you this- as a harmless white boy I got my share and then some of negativity from the black, Cape Verde, and Haitian students. I didn't look down on anyone then, but they did look down on me. When I was 17 or 18 a particularly annoying Cape Verde kid that worked at the local Jiffy Lube with me thought it would be funny to run a razor down my back and slice my shirt. He "accidentally" went too far and sliced down my back. He was working in my neck of the woods, as he was from Brockton, and my very close and strong friend came down into the pit seconds after it happened. He saw my back and was about to bury the kid. I told him to let it go and the kid who cut me swore it was an accident. My buddy has had no problems burying guys bigger than himself and this kid was small like me. I was the only reason he walked out of there. They were always a lot less forgiving with me.

The town I grew up in was middle class with not many people of color aside from the Portuguese. There was a very high population of them. Never had an issue with any of them, I never saw them in any different color or fashion. They never gave me a reason to. Sure they ate a lot of fish and had nice gardens and terribly built sheds, but they were just good people. I never saw them as anything other than people. There were very few lower income black families in my town, but there was one that most people knew of. I had multiple run-ins with them over the years, and maybe one or two times I had a good time with them. That has to be about a 90% disapproval rating based on the amount of times I ran into them over the years. One time I was in my parent's house in the middle of the day, broad daylight, and two of them came into my yard and took an 86 KX250 and a newer CR125 right out of my yard. My buddy and I had traded off for a week with two of our other friends, our trikes for their bikes. The kicker on the KX slipped (as they all do) so they couldn't get it running. They hopped on the CR double and I called the cops. I then pop started the KX and took off after them. After shooting up and down roads in my town I came across a parked cop. He sited me on the spot and towed the bike.

After getting my trike back, the same kid stole my ATC110. It was recovered the next town over a few weeks later and it was salvageable, but what the crap.

That same kid also took my slightly stolen (I was a kid once) 1984 TT600 (best dirt bike ever made) and ghost-rode it off a cliff in front of a party. The hill was sand so the bike was mostly OK, but c'mon guy.

After driving trucks for 15 years in every kind of setting, I can tell you with 100% certainty that black people have absolutely no objections with holding up traffic as they cross the street which is just plain ignorant by definition. Add into that fact that they clearly don't have anywhere to be, a conclusion drawn by their lack of moving with a purpose, and you take ignorant to unruly levels. Just to frost that cake they do it with their arse hanging out, because that's what you want to have to see while they stop the world, almost as if it revolves around them. They start young by walking in gaggles down the hallways in school, blocking other students who have places to be. Ask me how I know that.

About 4 months ago I was driving a tri-axle dump truck through Boston. At that time I was doing a lot of smiling, just all of the time because, well, things are a lot better that way. A black man walked out from the curb in front of my truck and looked right at me. I slowed the truck down without incident as I wasn't going too fast and proceeded to let him cross the road. He had a very menacing look on his face and I was smiling. When you've served in a combat zone you tend to read people's intent as you approach. My smile is not a smirk or a sneer, it's disarming. It makes it hard for people to approach you in a negative way, and it's on purpose. He started mouthing a bunch of shite at me and gesturing to me if there was a problem we could handle it. A problem about what? I never took my eyes off his as he crossed in front of me and then walked alongside my truck as I continued up the road. I avoid issues but I had been working on jacking up my self confidence at that time and was prepared to continue to smile regardless of what one low life thinks.

I do know black people that I love though and have always had that in my life. I always will. If I meet someone I base what I think of them on, well, themselves. It just so happens that a good portion of negative run-ins I've experienced in my life time have involved black people and, in particular, the type of black people that involve themselves with a lifestyle such as the one this black, urban man who got killed led. If they don't want to be civilized that's fine. They're still being treated civil and they should be thanking their lucky stars for that in my opinion. That kind of lifestyle is openly perpetuated in their music and culture and regardless of whether or not they can escape where it is they have been raised, there is absolutely no excuse for having such an uncivilized culture regardless of how much money you have. Money doesn't make you happy nor does it solve problems. People solve problems. People cause problems as well. Take a peek at how many riots involved black people as of late. For a kid like that to approach a grown man half his size and intimidate him proves he is a weapon in and of himself, and having him do such things is proof of his intentions. I had a big kid (who happened to be black) come around a corner in a store and he would have walked right over me if I didn't move just three weeks ago. Looked right through me as if I didn't exist and he was probably twice my size. I grabbed what I was getting (and looked for Dirt Wheels) and came back out to the front of the store where he was standing with his grandmother. He was probably 16. I'm 34. Not having respect for your elders goes right up my arse sideways and someone will probably tell me "well that's just one incident". It's really not though. I've been paying attention for a long time and it's unfortunate what the real story is.

It was a white kid that caused me to lose my concealed carry. Ultimately it was my decision as how to handle myself that evening, however, this particular white kid was visiting my town. He happened to come from the aforementioned City of Brockton. He dressed and talked like an urban black kid (act like you don't know what I mean). He had a lot to say, he was twice my size and at least 10 years younger than me, he had friends with him and he had something he wanted to show me in his pocket. It was that urban attitude I had seen so many times before, and this time it could have killed me. I wasn't losing the "guess what's in my pocket" game with him, and I wasn't waiting to see what he had to show me. No, nobody got shot. I did lose my LTC though. Another negative I can associate with that kind of lifestyle, but this was from a white kid. Although he was white, he certainly spoke and acted in a manner I would associate with younger black people. I was able to stop him from speaking that way, which is a feat in itself. I laughed in his face as he spoke in his regular voice. It's just a shame because it proves that's the only thing they know- violence. Shame on me for involving myself. I know better now.

Regardless, I still don't judge anyone right off the bat. I do judge those I've crossed paths with from time to time, and I must admit that I have had a lot of black people leave negative impressions on me. I wish them the best and hope they clean up their act. I am humble, far from high and mighty, but I am entitled to my own opinion.

6speedthumper
08-26-2014, 10:41 PM
I'm at my bud's house right now, telling him about this thread. His response, "racism is a wonderful thing if used correctly".

Totally out of blue, and man was that freakin hilarious!

sledcrazyinCT
08-27-2014, 06:33 AM
This is a VERY smart, realistic, eyes wide open man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B092acMImJE

I also like this man's POV......did not know anything about him until Mr. Brown became the center of attention in America


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbbclEutcs&amp;index=2&amp;list=UUa8xefYexeNlbnv3 NFHcL7Q

greenhuman
08-27-2014, 06:43 AM
I feel sorry for you fellas over there. It must be like living with monsters walking around.

tripledog
08-27-2014, 07:41 AM
I "adventure to say" that David Carroll is nowhere as well spoken as HE thinks he is. At least that is what I "extraculated" from the video...

DohcBikes
08-27-2014, 07:51 AM
Mostly I'm just trying to keep the discussion warm. I've learned more about several members on this thread than any other so far. There are a lot of great people here, and since I have respect for my trike bretheren its nice to hear a passionate position on such a controversial topic. No offense intended, just a little nip from a wolf to get the sheep moving again....:) oh now, relax, i'm just kidding....

tripledog
08-27-2014, 07:59 AM
^^^ We the sheeple.

El Camexican
08-27-2014, 08:15 AM
just a little nip from a wolf to get the sheep moving again....:) oh now, relax, i'm just kidding....

We call that "sh*t disturbing" where I come from!

czac
08-27-2014, 08:19 AM
WTF do you mean who knows?!!?? How bout all the people that saw it happen! Oh I forgot, they're all black and poor, which equals worthless testimony to all the high and mighty here.

No, that's not true. calling everyone here a racist because they don't believe eyewitnesses based on their skin color is crazy, its like when people say "you don't like Obama because he's black". No, I don't like Obama because he's a lousy leader.

"eye witnesses" do lie too, just as much as the cops do.
How many of these people were actually there?
I only know of one that I can agree 100% on that he was there, the kid who was with MB.
So really, all we have is his story and the cops.
Who do we believe? His version because he was there so he HAS to be telling the truth? if that's so then now we have to believe the cops version because, well, he was there also.
The only thing that points to the cops lying is that there are at least two people telling the same version of what happened, the kid who was with MB at the time and some girl who said she saw it too and is saying almost the same story as the kid who was with MB.
but now isn't there another witness who is saying almost exactly what the cop said happened? I know I read something about some girl who was saying that the cops story was true.

And that's what I meant by "Who Knows?" because who does know the truth, the cop and the dead kid.

czac
08-27-2014, 08:40 AM
, "racism is a wonderful thing if used correctly".



Truer words .... just look at what the press does and what our own government does. its just too bad that the ones being oppressed don't seem to realize exactly who it is that is actually oppressing them.

Racism works in strange ways... it can be out and out ant pretty blatant "Hey, I hate you because you are a different race than I am!"
or it can be totally deceiving and subtle: "Awww I feel so bad for you, it must be hard being held down because of your race, don't worry though, here's some money, some food stamps and some healthcare so you don't need to worry about getting a job" then in their head, ("And I don't need to worry about hiring your lazy, non wanting to earn your own living trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro!")

czac
08-27-2014, 08:41 AM
I "adventure to say" that David Carroll is nowhere as well spoken as HE thinks he is. At least that is what I "extraculated" from the video...

"surficed" to say? lol ok im off to get a nice hot "EXpresso"

czac
08-27-2014, 08:49 AM
I also like this man's POV......did not know anything about him until Mr. Brown became the center of attention in America


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbbclEutcs&index=2&list=UUa8xefYexeNlbnv3 NFHcL7Q

this guy is a nut. I don't know much about him but it seems like he doesn't like all the carrying on and whoopin and hollering people do whenever something happens to one of their own. I saw a video of him at some protest for Treyvon Martin and some of the things he was saying about the protesters I had never heard before, he was going off.

86T3
08-27-2014, 09:22 AM
While I do realize that mass media is not the way to get information, we are not left with much choice in this matter. That's what happens when the cops fck up, the facts get hidden and changed to their liking. Don't tell me it doesn't happen.

WARNING. THIS VIDEO SHOWS THE BODY OF AN UNARMED, MURDERED TEEN LAYING IN THE STREET. For those that want to imagine that micheal brown was 'charging the officer' when he got shot in the top of the head, I challenge you to find a single eyewitness video that even suggests it happened that way. All eyewitness accounts I've seen say the same thing. Cop grabbed him, for WHATEVER REASON, (jaywalking), couldn't control him, shot him from INSIDE the car, Shot him again with Micheals back turned, and continued to shoot him after an unarmed brown had already signaled his surrender to the unwarranted and extremely excessive use of force. Every eyewitness account so far says the cop stood over him and fired after he was already on the ground.

I don't give a f@&k what color you are, brown or wilson are. Stop making excuses, this kid was murdered. There are several warnings at the beginning of the video, just like the warning stickers on your trikes, so don't rag on me for posting it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvE-1qAs1W4

Eyewitness accounts are trumped by physical evidence in court. Do you think two people cant get together and hash out a story? If there were 2 eyewitnesses that day they both would have given a deposition after the incident before they could talk to each other, i would like to know if they told the same story to the police that they did to the media. I dont know how to make this any more clear, the autopsy showed he was shot 6 times from the front. Not the back, not standing over the kid (when he was on his stomach). And if the kids story is true, how does the officer have a fractured skull? The writing is on the wall, if you want to read it or not is your choice

sledcrazyinCT
08-27-2014, 09:35 AM
this guy is a nut. I don't know much about him but it seems like he doesn't like all the carrying on and whoopin and hollering people do whenever something happens to one of their own. I saw a video of him at some protest for Treyvon Martin and some of the things he was saying about the protesters I had never heard before, he was going off.


Again I do not know this person...aside from comments about Mr. Brown he has posted recently I would still not know of him. You think his YouTube stuff is nutty check out his private channel. I put this up for views because he understands many of his race are ignorant....two wrongs make a right?...looting is acceptable social disobediance? Stealing a pair of Reeboks furthers the cause against 'police brutality" and the oppression of blacks by whites?

I love his Al Charlatan comments 199781...the 'moralistic negros' is a very good description of some influential blacks that feel the need to weigh in on this 'atrocity', yet ignore relevant facts like Mr. Brown is a thief, a bully, and the very least a pot head. Nothing constructive said to denounce the looters, nothing constructive to say against the bigger issue of black on black violence all because it is not as sensational as a white cop shooting a black robbery suspect.


I welcome his comments and POV since he is discussing the problems he sees with people of his own race. His grammar might not be up to par with the scholars on this site but his comments to me appear valid nonetheless.

Why can't other blacks with the ability to sway public opinion elaborate on his comments? I wonder if Bill Cosby has weighed in on Ferguson yet? I like his POV too!

Thorpe
08-27-2014, 09:36 AM
just a little nip from a wolf to get the sheep moving again....:) oh now, relax, i'm just kidding....

Do you have a holster for that big wooden spoon you carry for stirring the pot?

Scootertrash
08-27-2014, 09:53 PM
WTF do you mean who knows?!!?? How bout all the people that saw it happen! Oh I forgot, they're all black and poor, which equals worthless testimony to all the high and mighty here.

Just as worthless as a middle class, white cops side of the story in your eyes.

So let's recap a little here:
In post #44

Browns body was 35 feet from the cruiser when he received the fatal wound. One shot through the top of the head.


I say again, THIRTY FIVE FEET. Thats how far away this clearly unarmed kid was when Officer Coward Wilson fired the fatal shot.

Then, in post 128:

Every eyewitness account so far says the cop stood over him and fired after he was already on the ground.

You can't even keep your own story straight. :I Where do you come up with this sh!t anyways? You hangin out over at DU? 199776?

You claim to NOT have expressed your opinion:

(the guy that hasnt spewed his opinion on this thread)

Yet you call officer Wilson a coward (see above), say he shot 6 times because he had no "defense skills" (have YOU ever been involved in a shooting where you are defending yourself? Let alone against a 6'4 290 lb guy?) and continue to support unconfirmed witness accounts from a bunch of "witnesses", the number of which seemingly grows in number every day, that live in a community where "Snitches get Stitches" and if you do or say anything to "dis" the black community or any of it's members (even if it's true they are wrong) you're called an Uncle Tom, sellout, etc and you are blacklisted, ostracized, and attacked (like the store owner who turned in the video of MB assaulting the store owner and stealing cigars, whose store was later looted and burned)


The FACT that the fatal shot was fired (after five other shots because this idiot has no defense skills) from 35 feet, COMES FROM THE POLICE,

Got proof of that, other than internet speculation?


so I guess i kinda do know what was happening moments before he murdered him. Brown was running away with his hands up and five holes in him.

You don't know squat. You weren't there. WAIT!??! So now it's 5 holes instead of 6? Still can't keep your story straight....... For what it's worth there were 9, yes 9, I say again 9 holes. You should go read post #66 instead of just browsing over crap only to come back and pronounce everyone racist for not believing all the hearsay from so called "witnesses" coached by Big AL and Rev Jesse


I was for the most part raised by a cop, a damn good one, so dont even think I dont see both sides. I wont name the officer, but just for example, he was once brutally attacked by two 300lb varsity football players (white, since it matters so much). He never pulled his weapons, because he did not fear them. He collected his head, used his training, and broke one guys arm. The other laid down after that and was cuffed without further incident. GYSOT.

You were raised (for the most part) by Walker, Texas Ranger?

You've been asked multiple times to post the sources of all these *cough* "facts" *cough* you're posting, but you've shown us nothing.


Put that spoon back in it's holster


199777

Scootertrash
08-27-2014, 09:56 PM
Do you have a holster for that big wooden spoon you carry for stirring the pot?

Gazinga!

:lol:

El Camexican
08-27-2014, 11:26 PM
Maybe if we tell the story Barnett style it will sink in for those who are sipping the Sharpton Kool-Aid to excess.

FACT: An 18 year old man is dead
FACT: He was shot six times by a police officer who was on duty at the time
FACT: No bullets entered his back
FACT: The same day he was shot the man was captured on video robbing a convince store
FACT: In the video he is seen pushing around a man who was much smaller than him
FACT: One witness who came forward also appears in the robbery video
FACT: The witnesses’ account of the shooting was partially discredited by the autopsy just days later
FACT: There was a second officer at the scene who’s statement has not been made public as of yet
FACT: A Grand Jury is investigating the case and has not yet decided if the incident should go to trial
FACT: Unless the Grand Jury sends it to court none of us will know much more than that a man who swore an oath to uphold the laws of his jurisdiction shot another man who had broken at least one of those laws the same day he was shot
FACT: Most cops are good
FACT: Most adults who rob convenience stores are not

DohcBikes
08-27-2014, 11:29 PM
Yes I have been involved in a shooting where I was defending myself. Most policemen have not. Please make up some statistic that says otherwise.

I've never heard Al Sharpton speak an entire sentence. I watch Gas monkey garage, american pickers, and duck dynasty, when i get a chance. I rarely think about anything but motorcycles, atvs, powersports. I have an atv shop, and i work for another atv shop. I dont know shlt about politics, but its neat to see you guys get wound up about ignorant comments.

I'm really glad you commented scooter. Yes, walker texas ranger. You don't know me. I don't care at all if you believe what I say.

Scootertrash
08-28-2014, 06:56 AM
All of your shots landed COM? Or did you just rack the slide on your shotty and scare the bad guy into submission?

So all of these "witnesses" whose accounts of this shooting you are posting are appearing on Gas Monkey, American Pickers and Duck Dynasty?


I dont know shlt about politics, but its neat to see you guys get wound up about ignorant comments.

So you're admitting to trolling then?

czac
08-28-2014, 07:46 AM
Maybe if we tell the story Barnett style it will sink in for those who are sipping the Sharpton Kool-Aid to excess.

FACT: An 18 year old man is dead
FACT: He was shot six times by a police officer who was on duty at the time
FACT: No bullets entered his back
FACT: The same day he was shot the man was captured on video robbing a convince store
FACT: In the video he is seen pushing around a man who was much smaller than him
FACT: One witness who came forward also appears in the robbery video
FACT: The witnesses’ account of the shooting was partially discredited by the autopsy just days later
FACT: There was a second officer at the scene who’s statement has not been made public as of yet
FACT: A Grand Jury is investigating the case and has not yet decided if the incident should go to trial
FACT: Unless the Grand Jury sends it to court none of us will know much more than that a man who swore an oath to uphold the laws of his jurisdiction shot another man who had broken at least one of those laws the same day he was shot
FACT: Most cops are good
FACT: Most adults who rob convenience stores are not

FACT: Looting and Rioting because someone was shot and killed by a cop doesn't bring the dead person back to life, it just hurts others and makes you look like a bunch of lawless lunatics, lashing out with no direction or purpose than to cause trouble. I gotta say though, it was nice seeing the Pics and videos of the true hero's who live in Ferguson standing in front of businesses and keeping the looters away.

czac
08-28-2014, 07:50 AM
sometimes it is...

czac
08-28-2014, 07:51 AM
I feel sorry for you fellas over there. It must be like living with monsters walking around.

sometimes it is... (Sigh)...

DohcBikes
08-28-2014, 07:56 AM
All of your shots landed COM? Or did you just rack the slide on your shotty and scare the bad guy into submission?

So all of these "witnesses" whose accounts of this shooting you are posting are appearing on Gas Monkey, American Pickers and Duck Dynasty?



So you're admitting to trolling then?I never said the ignorant comments were mine. Making points to keep a discussion happening is not trolling. I just think that sometimes when some of you politically motivated people get all wound up over a situation and then find out you are wrong, you just stop commenting and never admit it. What happens if they indict Wilson? Will you stick to your opinions then?

El Camexican
08-28-2014, 08:07 AM
I've never heard Al Sharpton speak an entire sentence.

You don't know what you're missing. He's a great example of what lowering the bar to fill a quota gets you.

http://www.wgci.com/onair/dj-moondawg-36555/blooper-reel-al-sharptons-biggest-tv-12330378/

El Camexican
08-28-2014, 08:09 AM
So all of these "witnesses" whose accounts of this shooting you are posting are appearing on Gas Monkey, American Pickers and Duck Dynasty?

Scooter, stop it yer killin me!:lol:

El Camexican
08-28-2014, 08:14 AM
FACT: Looting and Rioting because someone was shot and killed by a cop doesn't bring the dead person back to life

Maybe not, but when you fire up that stolen Swisher and take that first sip of looted Crown and Coke it makes you feel like you did something good for all your oppressed brethren.

Scootertrash
08-28-2014, 10:29 PM
I never said the ignorant comments were mine. I never said they were. But you keep posting them, so you must believe them. But yet you've posted no links to the sources of these alleged "witnesses". Making points to keep a discussion happening is not trolling. I just think that sometimes when some of you politically motivated people get all wound up over a situation and then find out you are wrong, you just stop commenting and never admit it. [COLOR="#FF0000"] But you know nothing of politics (your words) So how can you tell who's politically motivated?. Who has been proven wrong besides you? You said he was shot in the back, the autopsy pic, from the family's coroner no less, proves otherwise and the family's coroner admits that Brown was not shot in the back. But apparently you bypassed all the posts that point this out. RIF dude. Then you say the cop stood over him and shot? The guy that was with Brown didn't even say that happened. You're making sh!t up and that's trolling. What happens if they indict Wilson? An indictment doesn't mean squat except that the Grand Jury decided there was enough evidence to press charges, he still has to be found guilty by a jury. Will you stick to your opinions then? The only opinion I've stated is my interpretation of the bullet wounds (remember the autopsy pic from the Brown family's Coroner? Oh, that's right, you didn't bother to look at it because then you'd have to admit YOU were wrong about him being shot in the back) I haven't stated whether I believe either one is guilty or innocent

So how's about you post up them links to all these alleged "eyewitness accounts" you keep talking about instead of constantly dodging the request?

czac
08-29-2014, 07:28 AM
DohcBikes.... I cant tell if your being serious or if your just breaking them off on everyone else here?
I get the feeling when you say things like "just look at all the eye witness videos on you tube" you're being sarcastic...lol
Are you, as you say, nipping the heels"?

Caminofeld
08-29-2014, 11:33 AM
You were raised (for the most part) by Walker, Texas Ranger?

LMFAO best spinning roundhouse kicks ever!

Just wondering what would have happened if those varsity football players would have taken him out...free gun, ammo, cuffs, baton, radio, and badge all for the taking. Would they have shot him with his own gun so there wouldn't be any witnesses? Would they have used that gun to rob or kill elsewhere? This is why a lone Police Officer should NEVER go hand to hand...because no matter the level of your training you can always lose a fight. I know a few cops who think they're big and bad, and they are too arrogant to understand that the many variables that come into play when going hand-to-hand alone. First off, the Ofc has legal parameters to work within and the criminal doesn't (treated one last week who had his eyes gouged by a female crackhead and was rendered helpless but saved thanks to fellow Officers arriving). Also, do you know if they are psychotic or have superhuman strength from PCP, meth, or bath salts? Do they have a military background? Do they have a weapon? Do they have friends around the corner? Taking on the bad guys alone with your hands only works in the movies. What is supposed to happen is recognizing the threat, calling for backup, then using the ladder of escalation; which starts with verbal de-escalation, then non-lethal, then lethal if the person is not deterred or escalates to a lethal level. The possibility of getting their hands on an Officer's weapon constitutes a lethal threat and warrants lethal force. Unfortunately, in Baltimore the Police are usually flying solo due to budget cuts...which leaves more opportunity for another event like this to occur. If the Officer had backup on scene or a partner in the car we probably wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Scootertrash
08-29-2014, 05:57 PM
Don't be skeered!!!!!!!!

DohcBikes
08-30-2014, 11:28 AM
DohcBikes.... I cant tell if your being serious or if your just breaking them off on everyone else here?
I get the feeling when you say things like "just look at all the eye witness videos on you tube" you're being sarcastic...lol
Are you, as you say, nipping the heels"?Unfortunately sarcasm, and even intelligence, is buffered when put to print.

Scooter, I have no idea if i am wrong about him being shot in the back. I'll just trust everything you say and agree, then maybe people will like me more.

Everything I posted on this topic is wrong. Everything Scootertrash has posted is correct. Please forgive me for being so stupid.

Please don't involve me in this discussion.

P.S. 'Walker Texas Ranger"==== Terry Viter. The story is true, even though those that would not have been able to do it don't believe it. I guess some cops are just better than others.

Scootertrash
08-30-2014, 12:53 PM
I didn't know the Brown autopsy pic was an invalid file. Here it is:

199926

ETA: AAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! Another invalid attachment!!! Here's a link to the page with the diagram:

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=476&mn=288900&pt=msg&mid=14101905

I'll also quote my post #66 which I've twice(?) requested you to go back and read (invalid file deleted from quote, along with a little more info added):


Here, this might help you out a bit. It's the autopsy drawing from the coroner hired by Browns family so you should have no trouble believing what is on the drawing is true.


First off notice the title of the drawing: "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations. Preliminary autopsy report"

See any "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations" in his back? Me neither. Hmmm. Well I guess he wasn't shot in the back whilst running away with his hands up.

Brown was 6'4 292 lbs and you're claiming that he's nothing to worry about? Especially if he was charging at the cop? After (allegedly) trying to take his gun? Dude. Seriously.

Here are some quotes from the the coroner hired (well, he actually claims to have waived his $10,000 fee) by the Brown family:


Dr. Baden said that while Mr. Brown was shot at least six times, only three bullets were recovered from his body. But he has not yet seen the X-rays showing where the bullets were found, which would clarify the autopsy results.



Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

(Notice how the Journalist(?) altered the title of the diagram from "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations. Preliminary autopsy report" to "diagram of the entry wounds"

Also in the article, another quote from Dr. Baden (who again was hired by the Brown family):

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”

The article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html


My SAG (Stupid A** Guess) of the wounds:

The four wounds in his arm and one in the right pec? to me they look suspiciously like they could have come from one bullet fired when they were (allegedly) struggling for the gun and Brown had a hold of the business end of the officers service weapon. But, alas, I'm just speculating since I wasn't there. They don't look like wounds received while being shot with your hands up. One went thru the eye socket hitting the jaw and then striking the collar bone. One entered thru the top of the skull. Both of these wounds could only be received with the head down (charging the officer as alleged in one report?)

Take a peek at what I said about them there hand arm chest wounds above.

Soooooooo let's do the math here: Dr. Baden claims Brown was shot 6 times. There are 9 "Entry, Reentry and Exit perforations" in the autopsy pic (4 in the arm, 1 in the right pec all of which would probably be non-fatal wounds. 1 thru the eye socket that went thru the jawbone and into the collar bone, 3 wounds, and 1 to the top of the head = 9) so if 1 bullet made 5 wounds that leaves 4 left, the one to the right eye socket made three wounds, that leaves the one to the top of the head remaining. Seems to me that took 3 bullets to make those wounds.

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In addition, if he was shot while surrendering how the heck could a bullet enter his eye socket, go thru his jaw bone then hit his collar bone? it doesn't add up. Shooting position is eyeball height for the shooter. If Brown was standing arms up head down, the shooter would have to be taller than Brown to have a bullet enter his body at that angle. But....head down charging the officer? Seems like a much better angle for a bullet to produce that trajectory.

Just for kicks, here's my speculation of how this tragedy went down:

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Wilson encountered Brown and Johnson (his buddy) and told them to get on the sidewalk. Brown (possibly) assumed it was because of his theft of the cigarillos earlier. Wilson tried to exit the car, Brown shoved the door shut, pinning Wilson in a cramped area which would make it hard to defend yourself. Brown (allegedly) punched Wilson while he was in the car. Wilson pulled his pistol to defend himself. Brown grabs the (wrong end) of the pistol and a shot is fired. Brown takes off running, realizes he has been shot (the arm wounds?), gets pissed off and scared, turns around and charges officer Wilson football style (head down, bent over at the waist) Wilson fires his weapon again to stop the attack, hitting Brown in the eye socket and top of head.
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Unfortunately sarcasm, and even intelligence, is buffered when put to print.

Truer words were never spoken.

I'm not asking you to believe everything I say, that's why I post links to the info. ;)

If the "ignorant comments" (your words) you posted were in sarcasm, I apologize and I will have my sarcasm detector calibrated on Tuesday.

I will admit I have a hard time seeing someone get crucified in the press by D-bags like Sharpton and his ilk before they've had a chance to tell their side of the story.

Bottom line: If Wilson did indeed shoot this kid for no reason, he should go to prison. If Micheal Brown made a huge a** mistake and attacked this cop because he thought he was going to be arrested for stealing blunt wraps, well....


I stand by one of the rules I try to live my life by:

"Don't invite the man into your life."

I also assume that you didn't pick up on the fact that I was merely following your sig by questioning you about your posts:


"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it."
___Thomas Jefferson


I will come back after Wilsons side of the story is released and we'll see how close my speculation of the events leading up to the shooting are.

sledcrazyinCT
08-30-2014, 10:20 PM
This was found on BUZZPO? This link has a bunch of songs he supposedly recorded? Has anyone seen this from another source to verify this is Michael Brown rapping?

http://buzzpo.com/caution-graphic-post-gentle-giant-mike-brown-liked-drugs-hos-killas-murders/


The author of this article is Eric Reed, founder of the Gun Rights Across America. It has been posted up for nine days so far and nobody has made them pull this off the web yet.
"So much for Mike Brown being the “Gentle Giant.” With each passing day, more information is uncovered about his “thug lifestyle.” While none of these things single-handedly justify shooting somebody, the compounding facts and evidence revealing the true character of Mike Brown lend much more validity to Officer Darren Wilson’s account of the events."
Mike Brown was apparently quite the musician (http://punknews.org/review/2373/joe-strummer-and-the-mescaleros-streetcore). A rapper (http://radaronline.com/photos/no-talent-no-problem-25-stars-who-are-famous-for-doing-nothing-at-all). In his first masterpiece he pleasantly raps to the “Cops” theme song (http://parade.condenast.com/256937/scottneumyer/cops-creator-john-langley-talks-bad-boys-the-move-to-spike-reality-tv/?utm_source=linksmart&utm_medium=linksmart_campaign&utm_campaign=ROS), “Bad Boys.” Brown sings, “ trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro talker, trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro talker, whatcha gonna do? When a real killa killa come for you? trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro talker, trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro talker, whatcha gonna do? When a real nigga come for you.”

honda200x1987
09-04-2014, 05:53 PM
This my opinion and everyone has their own , everything I have seen is pointing toward Brown as the guilty one, not the officer but everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It is obvious the 18 year old man , they can call him a boy "gentle giant" and down play all they want but the truth will come out when this comes to trial. I will say there is a chance that the officer was gun happy but that chance is very small considering his record , so what I see has happened is a bunch of thugs have used all this as an excuse to loot ,steal and people with race issues who are quick to judge before all evidence is out. 1 . you have a officer with a clean record .... 2. 18 year old thug caught on tape robbing a store minutes before, it really amazes me people are taking browns side but both are innocent until proven guilty... what has happened to common sense these days?

greenhuman
09-04-2014, 06:30 PM
Common sense is not all that common.

6speedthumper
09-04-2014, 08:29 PM
Common sense is not all that common.

My pop and I say this nearly every day.

sledcrazyinCT
09-22-2014, 01:19 PM
What is the latest? MSM seems to have forgotten the gentle giant....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGTUcS-yQtQ

czac
09-22-2014, 02:41 PM
What is the latest? MSM seems to have forgotten the gentle giant....




Last I heard he was still dead...

fabiodriven
09-22-2014, 06:46 PM
I enjoyed that video thoroughly. Thank you for posting.

roostin atc
09-22-2014, 07:56 PM
:pGreat video for a Monday.:lol:

Scootertrash
09-22-2014, 09:14 PM
C'mon sledcrazy, this is no place for facts. We must continue to mislead, lie, and fabricate our own truth. :rolleyes: ;)

I heard the Grand Jury won't have a decision until early to mid October.

El Camexican
11-24-2014, 10:10 PM
Let's hope and pray that Officer Wilson finally gets a good nights sleep today and that the boots on the ground get to go home safe and sound.

redsox
11-24-2014, 11:42 PM
why do communities with the highest concentration of community organizers seem to be the most disorganized?

El Camexican
11-24-2014, 11:57 PM
why do communities with the highest concentration of community organizers seem to be the most disorganized?

Put that question next to: "Why do cities with gun banns seem to have the highest crime rates?"

RapidRick
11-25-2014, 01:21 AM
I'm quite sure he is no longer a resident in that state. I don't see how he'd or his ever be safe there.

*ATC*
11-25-2014, 01:51 AM
Wow stuff is blowing up tonight, I hope it calms down soon, officer Wilson not guilty

Mosh
11-25-2014, 07:36 AM
Dazes disin dooze nussuns....days inzents...

poohbee1
11-25-2014, 09:03 PM
That poor cop does his job and this is what he gets. This country is in pretty bad shape

El Camexican
11-25-2014, 10:18 PM
That poor cop does his job and this is what he gets. This country is in pretty bad shape

It sure is, especially when you consider that your Prez didn't even sympathize with the officer publicly for what he has had to go through with all this liberal media coverage and having no less that Eric Holder and Al Sharpton both come at him. No mention of that what so ever, just bla, bla, bla cops need to treat hood rats better and the poor parents of the kid. Will all due respect, screw them. If they'd have raised that kid right he wouldn't be dead right now and some poor hard working store owner wouldn't be out a pack of Swisher Sweets.

tripledog
11-25-2014, 10:34 PM
Brown's father stated that he didn't want his son's "deaf" to be in vain. One almost needs a translator to understand what some folks say.

El Camexican
11-25-2014, 10:44 PM
Brown's father stated that he didn't want his son's "deaf" to be in vain. One almost needs a translator to understand what some folks say.

If you play it over and over, oh say about fiddy times, it starts to make sense.

Chopsaw
11-25-2014, 11:00 PM
Remember when you were young , and you were acting up . Mom and Dad said stop . and you didnt ? WHACK !!! out of nowhere . Never did that again .
I said before that I grew up in the area . Had a buddy that lived on the street that the kid got himself shot . Sad for me to see the animals running the zoo . I live about 40 minutes west of Ferguson now . If it comes out here ,,,, They won't like the greeting . To many good old boys that work hard for what they have .

Chop

Scootertrash
11-25-2014, 11:07 PM
It wouldn't have mattered what the GJ decision was, they would have rioted in celebration if it would have been the other way. Now there are others "arriving" on Friday to "protest". Why? Because the Governor and police let them. The Governor told the protestors they would be allowed to "slow traffic". Well, how'd that work out Gov?

86T3
11-26-2014, 12:58 AM
It wouldn't have mattered what the GJ decision was, they would have rioted in celebration if it would have been the other way. Now there are others "arriving" on Friday to "protest". Why? Because the Governor and police let them. The Governor told the protestors they would be allowed to "slow traffic". Well, how'd that work out Gov?

They're going to arrive on friday? Nice to know its important enough that they can take a couple days off for thanksgiving. I hate to admit it but they need a Kent state reception to end this nonsense. I hope our forum member is kept safe through this nonsense.

El Camexican
11-26-2014, 09:15 AM
They're going to arrive on friday? Nice to know its important enough that they can take a couple days off for thanksgiving. I hate to admit it but they need a Kent state reception to end this nonsense. I hope our forum member is kept safe through this nonsense.

Exactly. Why is there not a curfew in effect? Where are the water tanks, rubber bullets and mass arrests? The authorities are obviously not letting law enforcement act without extreme restraint. These rioters (they are NOT protesters) don't even have a concept of American law and the few hate mongers that could explain it in words they might understand (Al & Jessie) would rather the rioters burn down the businesses that fund their stay at home lifestyles that deal with the fact that Mr. Brown was a criminal that acted in a manner that caused his own death.

big specht
11-26-2014, 01:56 PM
Nobody there must have jobs to go to they just get checks in the mail that's why they haven't burnt down the post office!

tripledog
11-26-2014, 02:49 PM
It wouldn't have mattered what the GJ decision was, they would have rioted in celebration if it would have been the other way. Now there are others "arriving" on Friday to "protest". Why? Because the Governor and police let them. The Governor told the protestors they would be allowed to "slow traffic". Well, how'd that work out Gov?

They don't want to miss the Ferguson Black Friday sale. Bringing a brick to smash a window provides them a 100% discount on any item in any store (that is still standing).

6speedthumper
11-26-2014, 04:21 PM
It sure is, especially when you consider that your Prez didn't even sympathize with the officer publicly for what he has had to go through with all this liberal media coverage and having no less that Eric Holder and Al Sharpton both come at him. No mention of that what so ever, just bla, bla, bla cops need to treat hood rats better and the poor parents of the kid. Will all due respect, screw them. If they'd have raised that kid right he wouldn't be dead right now and some poor hard working store owner wouldn't be out a pack of Swisher Sweets.


Because the cop is white. Simple as that.

6speedthumper
11-26-2014, 04:27 PM
I know one thing for sure. Martin Luther King's "dream" has come true. "His" people are no longer judged by the color of their skin. They are indeed judged by content of their character, of which they have little, none, or poor.

6speedthumper
11-26-2014, 04:31 PM
Remember when you were young , and you were acting up . Mom and Dad said stop . and you didnt ? WHACK !!! out of nowhere . Never did that again .



Glad that there are others out there that were raised as I was. I'm very happy with my childhood. Was a happy child. Hopefully, those of us that were raised in such a fashion will raise our kids the same.

greenhuman
11-26-2014, 05:22 PM
When I was a kid I got whacks for things I didn't even do.


Didn't do homework. Whack
Didn't do jobs. Whack
Didn't do as I was asked. Whack

sledcrazyinCT
11-26-2014, 09:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQgNrnWZVSI&amp;list=LLDgUAAHgsV2fFZQm2fIWBnA

phantombiker
11-27-2014, 04:27 AM
all that looting and nobody stole a pair of work boots?!?!?!

danbur55
11-27-2014, 08:45 AM
lets face it our society tends to overlook that we should be responsible for our own actions so much easier to blame someone else for being a product of society???

sledcrazyinCT
11-28-2014, 12:38 AM
Wish a black comedian would hold a press conference at Ferguson instead of Sharpton...The protesters need some common sense rules they can understand and start to follow;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=QR465HoCWFQ

El Camexican
11-28-2014, 01:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQgNrnWZVSI&list=LLDgUAAHgsV2fFZQm2fIWBnA

Great words, makes ya wanna run out an hug a brother, but I have some issues with the video. Look at the lighting and choreography. This video may as well have been made in Hollywood, it's not the impromptu parking lot speech they try and make it out to be, so what was the motivation to make it and play it off like that? Wanna see what a brother looks like without a script?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/25/watch-browns-stepdad-urges-crowd-to-burn-property/70095818/

And what's all this love an internal peace BS? What makes me peaceful on the inside is being able to sleep without fear of my sh*t getting ripped off, not having to worry about my female loved ones getting raped when they are in the US if they turn off the wrong ramp and not having to watch tax dollars support a growing race of stay home breeders that hate me and my friends for being white. Maybe if the fine young man in the video can fix these issues I'll be able to "look inside my body" and not find disdain for those who hate me for my color.

hoosierlogger
11-28-2014, 07:49 AM
Thanks for that sled!! I love me some Chris Rock. I wonder what Carlin would have said about this whole situation.

sledcrazyinCT
11-28-2014, 09:26 AM
ElCamexican Bill O Rielly showed that clip of Mike Brown's step dad a few days ago on his show....amazes me there have only been 100 or so arrests after the protesters destroyed so much in the town and video clips like these are popping up on the net showing instigators at Ferguson suggesting violence and vandalism and then a dozen businesses get burned up.

As far as the guy I posted a clip of walking to his car, he is Prince EA, never heard of him before til I was forwarded this clip earlier this week... he is a musician and has some notoriety apparently....maybe that is why it seems staged to you?

He has a couple other videos on Youtube and his facebook page that are worth listening to even if they were 'choreographed' ....I like how he calls Obama out in some of his videos...I find it refreshing that not all blacks give Obama a free ride and expect more from the POTUS



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itvnQ2QB4yc

El Camexican
11-28-2014, 10:30 AM
Is it ok if i disagree ? At least he`s trying to bring some peace to a stupid situation . The same issues you bring up could be said about Latin American immigrants to ! Hell if i make a wrong turn into Tijuana i could wind up with my head sittin on the hood of my car.......never used to be like that but it is now ! I don`t think people hate you for your color......i think they hate themselves ! Or maybe it`s just business for them nothing personal ! I had never heard the guy in the video before but i watched the video entitled= Why i think this world should end......and for being only 26yrs old he`s got his head screwed on right ! oopps you got up before i could finish

Can you disagree? Hell ya, if nobody did this would be a pretty boring place. Sled, Glam, I did not know that guy was famous for anything other than a video, so yes that likely explains the lighting and his ability to act, thanks for pointing that out.

Mexico is F%^%ed up, no argument there, but the issue is money, not race. From the time I've spent here and the US I'll take my chances with an all Latino crowd any day. I honestly don't recall ever feeling hated amongst them. Can't say the same for others and of course not always.

6speedthumper
11-28-2014, 11:26 AM
One thing that I would, if I had the "power" to do it, would be to suspend ALL forms of government aid to the are for two years, due to the local, state and federal governments having to rebuild what those people have destroyed. Just like taking away a child's allowance.

sledcrazyinCT
12-17-2014, 09:56 AM
One thing that I would, if I had the "power" to do it, would be to suspend ALL forms of government aid to the area for two years, due to the local, state and federal governments having to rebuild what those people have destroyed. Just like taking away a child's allowance.

good idea but you can't buy votes without entitlements so I doubt the giverment would adopt this strategy.

206203

sledcrazyinCT
12-17-2014, 10:13 AM
206204

I saw this and it reminded me of a comment DOHC posted a while back. I couldn't resist posting - figured if anyone missed him this would give you a boost :Bounce

Seriously though main stream media is conveniently ignoring the escalated violence happening to Bosnians and other caucasians in Missouri

206205

http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/black-gangs-bosnians-whites-st-louis/


206206
Great facebook post huh? HLS should be tracking the IP or cell phone of the loser who suggested cop killing. Being able to still see this post on Facebook is unbelievable to me!
If I was the family or police department of the officer recently killed in Virginia I would consider taking on Facebook for promoting hate crimes
206207
http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/virginia-cop-kidnapped-murdered-several-black-gang-members-sharpton/

JesseA420
12-17-2014, 10:46 AM
http://www.vice.com/read/heres-every-spot-where-the-lapd-killed-an-unarmed-person-in-2014

sledcrazyinCT
12-17-2014, 11:37 AM
I read the link posted above about LAPD. Were the victims mentioned in the article shot by white police officers? No doubt changes are going to occur to local PD in every state after Ferguson. My suggestion is for police depts to hire more black and hispanic LEOs in these areas. Then America can keep track of how many deaths to unarmed people occur after bringing on more officers that represent the demographics of their local community they are hired to protect.

JasonB
12-17-2014, 07:56 PM
I live in St. Louis. Hope this helps the discussion! ;)

El Camexican
12-17-2014, 08:36 PM
I live in St. Louis. Hope this helps the discussion! ;)

Ya, but you belong in Texas!

Scootertrash
12-17-2014, 10:54 PM
Ya know what guys? I've been around the block a few times, I'm what most of you would call the "Old Guy". I've hung around my share of persons of questionable moral and ethical demeanor. I never had an interaction with an LEO that wasn't caused by ME. Speeding, drinking and driving, etc. That includes "hanging with the wrong crowd". Ya know what I learned? Don't break the rules (laws) and you won't get into trouble. Pretty F'n simple. Really. It really is that simple.

If Homey and his bro would have been on the sidewalk where you belong (no matter what color you are) that cop would have more than likely driven right by. If Homey hadn't stolen the cigars, they wouldn't have to worry about the cops. So simple a cave man can do it.

That guy in New York? He was selling illegal cigarettes. In broad daylight. On a public street. What's wrong with this pitcher?


I'll just quote part of my sig:


There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. - P.J. O'Rourke

sledcrazyinCT
12-18-2014, 11:28 AM
206243

Too little too late....and nothing will be learned....just a matter of time before it happens somewhere else and the blame will shift to others instead of where it starts.

JasonB
12-18-2014, 11:43 AM
didnt read the thread but my two cents on the subject: unfortunate someone that age is gone. Regardless of the circumstances, someone that age dying is sad. We have all done stupid crap, but most of us know not to go head to head with a police officer. It's unfortunate that so many people are using it as a reason to riot and protest when there are much better causes to stand behind. Unfortunate that so many people are making it about race when it appears to be poor decisions that caused the incident in the first place. I support the police, i have friends that are police officers and I would hate to see them or anyone for that matter put in a situation like this where their life is completely turned upside down for doing their JOB. One of the people i work with is married to an officer that has been identified in this circus and we actually had corporate come down and make sure we had an emergency plan incase 'protestors' showed up at work. St Louis is a freaking mess! I talk to physicians all day from different parts of the country as part of my full time job and every one of them has something to say about Ferguson/STL when they find out thats where i live lol. Just sucks that Ferguson gave this city such a bad name

Caminofeld
04-09-2015, 11:37 PM
In the Easter spirit I'm resurrecting something else...

I just saw the recent video of a Police Officer shooting an unarmed man in the back while he was fleeing the scene of a routine traffic stop. That's how the headline should have been written...instead it's "White Police Office shoots unarmed black man in the back". What the f*** is the media trying to do? Are they looking to further the racial divide in this country by growing anti-Police sentiment and having more Ferguson-esque riots? Are they looking for ratings? When are the sheeple of this country going to wake up and realize that there is an agenda here...one that involves making things so bad that only the Government can save us...and they can only do so by further curtailing our freedoms and raising taxes to pay for "change". I'll always have hope, but we now live in a country where Darwinism no longer applies.

I was appalled by the shooting and pray for the victim and his family. Even with my emergency medical experience and everything I have seen in my life I literally felt sick watching it. Shame on the shooter. I won't refer to him as a Police Officer because he isn't deserving of the title. His actions are a stain upon Law Enforcement and I hope he gets what he deserves...I also hope and pray that this great Country of ours- OURS (not the Media's and Government's) wakes up and unites over this rather than divides. Sorry for another rant, but I needed to vent in order to sleep tonight.

86T3
04-10-2015, 02:05 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/dash-cam-video-shows-officer-pursuing-man-shooting-221654486.html

I clicked on this article on yahoo and just can't figure this out. Why did this guy just get out of his car and run? I'm not condoning the cop shooting him but what do you expect when you run from a cop for no reason? Wtf is wrong with people?

poolieZerUK
04-10-2015, 02:29 AM
Not to be shot dead
He was an older man who by my standards at least didn't look like he was much of a danger to anyone.

czac
04-10-2015, 08:59 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/dash-cam-video-shows-officer-pursuing-man-shooting-221654486.html

I clicked on this article on yahoo and just can't figure this out. Why did this guy just get out of his car and run? I'm not condoning the cop shooting him but what do you expect when you run from a cop for no reason? Wtf is wrong with people?


according to something I read, his father said he believes his son ran because he owed child support and was afraid to go back to jail.... but who knows, all I can say is judging by whats been going on the last year with these cops, If you get stopped, if a cop says he wants to talk to you, if they come to arrest you, DO NOT run, resist arrest or act a fool! the time to stand up for your rights is in a court... not on the street. These guys seem to be looking for any reason to mess you up or even kill you. Don't give them a chance or reason. It seems quite obvious that they don't know that killing is wrong...lol Just don't become another statistic, beat them in court then sue...

czac
04-10-2015, 09:02 AM
Not to be shot dead
He was an older man who by my standards at least didn't look like he was much of a danger to anyone.

its the same old story, the cop says... "says" he tried to taze him but he hit the tazer out of the cops hand... Ok, but then he ran away... Im not sure that drawing on him and putting like 6 or 8 rounds into his back was the next on the list of how to arrest someone for having a light out.
I would think that running after him and grabbing him would have came next.
The guy was 50 years old and didn't look like he was running to fast.

czac
04-10-2015, 09:07 AM
In the Easter spirit I'm resurrecting something else...

I just saw the recent video of a Police Officer shooting an unarmed man in the back while he was fleeing the scene of a routine traffic stop. That's how the headline should have been written...instead it's "White Police Office shoots unarmed black man in the back". What the f*** is the media trying to do? Are they looking to further the racial divide in this country by growing anti-Police sentiment and having more Ferguson-esque riots? Are they looking for ratings? When are the sheeple of this country going to wake up and realize that there is an agenda here...one that involves making things so bad that only the Government can save us...and they can only do so by further curtailing our freedoms and raising taxes to pay for "change". I'll always have hope, but we now live in a country where Darwinism no longer applies.

I was appalled by the shooting and pray for the victim and his family. Even with my emergency medical experience and everything I have seen in my life I literally felt sick watching it. Shame on the shooter. I won't refer to him as a Police Officer because he isn't deserving of the title. His actions are a stain upon Law Enforcement and I hope he gets what he deserves...I also hope and pray that this great Country of ours- OURS (not the Media's and Government's) wakes up and unites over this rather than divides. Sorry for another rant, but I needed to vent in order to sleep tonight.

Arent the cops only supposed to shoot if their lives are in danger? how is a guy running AWAY, putting this cops life in danger? Was he afraid that if he ran after him he would drop dead of a heart attack? He had the guys car, find out who he is and his address and go arrest him at home... impound the car, eventually he will want it back or try to register another one... On the other side of the coin, this guy was completely wrong to try and run away...knowing how cops are blasting anyone (especially Black guys) nowadays. Why add more charges to your fine or possibly wind up dead or seriously hurt or crippled? Its so stupid.

Caminofeld
04-10-2015, 10:56 AM
Obviously it was not smart of the driver to run, but unlike the Ferguson incident there was absolutely no danger to the shooter or the general public. Not only was it a bad shooting, but then the shooter tried to say the guy took his taser. After that he can apparently be seen placing something on the body. I hope that if there's any civil unrest or rioting that the shooter and the media are both held accountable.

czac
04-10-2015, 11:11 AM
Obviously it was not smart of the driver to run, but unlike the Ferguson incident there was absolutely no danger to the shooter or the general public. Not only was it a bad shooting, but then the shooter tried to say the guy took his taser. After that he can apparently be seen placing something on the body. I hope that if there's any civil unrest or rioting that the shooter and the media are both held accountable. yeah, in the video I saw it started right as the driver knocked the tazer out of the cops hands. on the news I saw the video where the guy just up and gets out of the car and runs so Im not sure what the heck happened. He ran, the cop caught up and tazed him and then he knocked the tazer from his hand, ran again and got shot or what? I heard that after shooting him the cop put cuffs on him. What?? lol I think this cop may have lost his mind. All this out in public in broad daylight after already knowing what's been going on with all these videos of cops behaving badly and all.

Caminofeld
04-10-2015, 04:00 PM
In other news along the same lines of racial injustice...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/puerto-ricans-who-can’t-speak-english-qualify-as-disabled-for-social-security/ar-AAaGLKG?ocid=mailsignout
Where are the protests over this? Oh i forgot, the majority of Americans are too worried about their reality TV and Facebook to pay attention to insignificant issues like losing their Social Security...

ironchop
04-10-2015, 05:05 PM
..... The way i see it this country`s been in The Matrix since 911 and if you can get away with that mind fack......you can get away with anything ! I`m to the point of not caring anymore ! OOH but Facefack and Twatter S-E-L-F P-R-O-M-O-T-I-O-N..........YEA....ME ME ME ME ! FA-Q ! :Bounce:Bounce:Bounce;)

this is the closest thing to my own personal opinion I have found on the subject lately.

I`ll go you one better......the Matrix has been in place since before 911.

My first clue to this effect came on or about 4-19-95 but it`s probably older than that.

That`s when I knew that this goes deeper than anything I could have ever imagined.

IMO, voting is a lot like protesting. You can scream, rant, cheer-on, vote, complain, whine, blog, vlog, donate, pray, hope, have faith, support a donkey, support an elephant, kiss a baby, beg, plead, demand, imply, coerce, or threaten.

In the morning, you still have corruption and tyranny and you gained a sore sphincter. Lose-Lose.

I`m tired of being expected to vote for either Small Pox or the Black Plague......either one spells death and destruction so it really doesn`t matter.

I`m waiting for the collapse.........a reset is the only hope we have at this point and you can`t win anything when 80% of your team are unwilling or incapable of understanding the writing on the wall and of the other 20%?........well they are fractured, distrustful of one another, and incapable of offering anything new in the way of solutions.

I sure hope that FB, Twatter, Iphones, and Dancing with the Stars was worth it

El Camexican
04-10-2015, 07:32 PM
I don't see how any of the posts that went up here after Dec. 2014 are linked to what happened in Ferguson.

Caminofeld
04-10-2015, 07:45 PM
I don't see how any of the posts that went up here after Dec. 2014 are linked to what happened in Ferguson.
Well I suppose I reposted because I saw similarities in the way the media was hyping up the race issue and was thinking the AA populous might again drink the kool-aid and respond with violence...which the media would then highlight to offend white America...then they would again make Police attempting to control the rioting look like bad guys to offend black America...the cycle continues and the hateful divide grows...

ironchop
04-10-2015, 10:02 PM
Well I suppose I reposted because I saw similarities in the way the media was hyping up the race issue and was thinking the AA populous might again drink the kool-aid and respond with violence...which the media would then highlight to offend white America...then they would again make Police attempting to control the rioting look like bad guys to offend black America...the cycle continues and the hateful divide grows...

Not the case this time...

http://nypost.com/2014/12/05/cop-shoot-victims-family-stay-away-sharpton/

The victim`s family aren`t going to be exploited for the cause. Classy people....I find it disrespectful and classless for the Race Bait crowd to have already attempted to hijack this family`s loss and mourning....that`s as pathetic as it gets IMO