Welded hubs - 200m

[thatguy]

While starting my rear bearing replacement i think i have come to the conclusion that the hubs are welded onto the axle. I did a quick search and looks like its pretty common...

My question is, is there a possibility of grinding off the weld? I'm thinking there is probably a good reason they were welded on, like maybe the end gear thing is stripped?

If not grinding down the weld, am I pretty much stuck with cutting the axle? If so I will get started!

I think i can find an axle and hubs on ebay at decent price

[MRSOUND]

Currently parting out a 83 200e (same axle and hubs as 84 200m). I do not have the rear removed yet (could have the same problem lol) but if ya need it shoot me a PM and we can work on prices....Just know that 200s and 185s axles will not work. The bearing/axle carriers are different lengths. I found this out the hard way on a previous 200e I owned.
Check out post #5 http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/143702-Help-My-rear-is-loose!-and-I-can-t-get-it-to-stop!

[muthey]

grind it if you can do it evenly around the weld you can eventually separate the hub from the axle. Welcome to the classic honda hardtail fail. what happens is the honda splines are shallow on their axles and the hub nut eventually looses it pressure. Then either the hub or the axle splines start to tear away. Usually the hub destroys itself but on occasion the axle gets ruined as well. Somewhere a farmer decided it was cheaper to weld it up and not care about the bearings going out eventually than buying a new hub or axle and fixing it right. And it spread like wildfire.

[cap]

I ground a pair of a 200E axle that I removed for the FatCat build. Fearing the worst I was surprised to see no reason they were welded on in the first place? Go figure why that rancher did it. Used a 4" grinder all the way around carefully then hit it with a hammer and it cracked loose.

[thatguy]

Currently parting out a 83 200e (same axle and hubs as 84 200m). I do not have the rear removed yet (could have the same problem lol) but if ya need it shoot me a PM and we can work on prices....Just know that 200s and 185s axles will not work. The bearing/axle carriers are different lengths. I found this out the hard way on a previous 200e I owned.
Check out post #5 http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/143702-Help-My-rear-is-loose!-and-I-can-t-get-it-to-stop!

Wow thanks! I was looking at 200s axles on ebay haha. would the axle be different because the carrier is different? a lot of the ebay ads for axles say they fit 200s/200m/etc...

I know the hubs are not same as 200s but figured the axle was the same for chain drives of same year...



I ground a pair of a 200E axle that I removed for the FatCat build. Fearing the worst I was surprised to see no reason they were welded on in the first place? Go figure why that rancher did it. Used a 4" grinder all the way around carefully then hit it with a hammer and it cracked loose.

Cool thanks, could I get away with removing only one hub? (sorry if that sounds dumb) I guess I wouldnt be able to get the seal on... unless it would stretch over the hub? Am i forgetting something else?


Thanks for the help guys

[DohcBikes]

Have removed a few welded hubs and saved the axles. Like muthey said its usually the hub that's stripped.

[kaymo]

just weld em back on when yer done. problem solved!

[thatguy]

Have removed a few welded hubs and saved the axles. Like muthey said its usually the hub that's stripped.

well I finally got the axle loose from bearings and put the $30 ryobi grinder to work... it was welded on both sides of the right side hub. 30 mins later I broke the hub loose and found pretty much no splines on the axle. I expected this but looking at the hub it has zero teeth. when I say zero I mean it is absolutely smooth inside. the hub does not fit snug on the axle at all and I don't know how the welder put it on as straight as he did. I've ridden on flat asphalt pretty fast and never noticed a wobble so it has to have been welded pretty straight. I think. anyway that pretty much means I need and axle and hubs... unless...


just weld em back on when yer done. problem solved!

it would be a somewhat good excuse to buy a welder!

[trike savior]

if you plan to keep the machine, for serviceability sake i would get an axle and hubs. i think the reason so many people had this problem is they did not crank on the axle nut hard enough. if you do buy the parts tighten it down till its snug and observe the castle nut and cotter pin hole in axle. i always aim to crank it 2 notches farther on the castle nut. when i tighten them i use a 2 foot breaker bar and have to sit on the tire to crank down on it.

the welding thing was fine on the farm, when miles from a honda dealer and before the days of ebay and craigslist. the parts are easy to find and will make life easy the next time it has to come apart.

[MRSOUND]

Wow thanks! I was looking at 200s axles on ebay haha. would the axle be different because the carrier is different? a lot of the ebay ads for axles say they fit 200s/200m/etc...

I know the hubs are not same as 200s but figured the axle was the same for chain drives of same year...
I like to use parts sites to determine compatibility. Can't swear they are always correct but it is how I normally check. Partzilla is my go to site. For example I looked up your 84 200m rear axle, when you click on the part # it opens up this screen and tells other models that use the same part#. That's how I came to the conclusion my 83 200e axle would work. You gotta watch some of eBay auctions, folks assume just because they are the same size engine everything is interchangeable.
http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-42310-958-020.html

[kaymo]

if you are trying to be cheap (by all means buy the right parts if you can afford) if the splines are SMOOTH gone then you could maybe center the hub for rewelding with a little piece of pipe that fit between. these are just suggestions for keeping beaters going of course, if you can afford u should do it right

[MRSOUND]

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[JustEnough]

If only one hub is welded I just do my best to not let the other hub get stripped and I am grateful that it was only one side.