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Scootertrash
02-06-2015, 10:54 AM
Pay attention to the connection to the 2 portions I highlighted. ;)

Off The Wall

Hi Mike,

The federal minimum wage is $7.25 and hour. A lot of people think it should be raised to $10.10. Seattle now pays $15 an hour, and the The Freedom Socialist Party is demanding a $20 living wage for every working person. What do you think about the minimum wage? How much do you think a Big Mac will cost if McDonald’s had to pay all their employees $20 an hour?

Darrell Paul

Hi Darrell

Back in 1979, I was working as an usher for United Artists at a multiplex in Baltimore. The minimum wage was $2.90, and I earned every penny.

When I wasn’t tearing tickets in half and stopping kids from theater hopping, I was cleaning out the bathrooms, emptying the trash, and scrapping dubious substances off the theater floor with a putty knife. I wore a silly outfit and smiled unnaturally, usually for the entirety of my shift. I worked 18 hours my first week, mostly after school, and earned $62.20. Before taxes. But I was also learning the importance of "soft skills.” I learned to show up on time and tuck my shirt in. I embraced the many virtues of proper hygiene. Most of all, I learned how to take sh!t from the public, and suck up to my boss.

After three months, I got a raise, and wound up behind the concession stand. Once it was determined I wasn’t a thief, I was promoted to cashier. Three months later, I got another raise. Eventually, they taught me how to operate a projector, which was the job I wanted in the first place.

The films would arrive from Hollywood in giant boxes, thin and square, like the top of a card table, but heavy. I’d open each one with care, and place each spool on a separate platter. Then, I’d thread them into the giant projector, looping the leader through 22 separate gates, careful to touch only the sides. Raging Bull, Airplane, The Shining, Caddyshack, The Elephant Man - I saw them all from the shadowy comfort of the projection booth, and collected $10 an hour for my trouble. Eventually, I was offered an assistant manager position, which I declined. I wasn’t management material then, anymore than I am now. But I had a plan. I was going to be in the movies. Or, God forbid, on television.

I thought about all this last month when I saw "Boyhood” at a theater in San Francisco. I bought the tickets from a machine that took my credit card and spit out a piece of paper with a bar code on it. I walked inside, and fed the paper into another machine, which beeped twice, welcomed me in mechanical voice, and lowered a steel bar that let me into the lobby. No usher, no cashier. I found the concession stand and bought a bushel of popcorn from another machine, and a gallon of Diet Coke that I poured myself. On the way out, I saw an actual employee, who turned out to be the manager. I asked him how much a projectionist was making these days, and he just laughed.
"There’s no such position,” he said. I just put the film in the slot myself and press a button. Easy breezy.”

To answer your question Darrell, I’m worried. From the business owners I’ve talked to, it seems clear that companies are responding to rising labor costs by embracing automation faster than ever. That’s eliminating thousands of low-paying, unskilled, entry level positions. What will that mean for those people trying to get started in the workforce? My job as an usher was the first rung on a long ladder of work that lead me to where I am today. But what if that rung wasn't there? If the minimum wage in 1979 had been suddenly raised from $2.90 to $10 an hour, thousands of people would have applied for the same job. What chance would I have had, being seventeen years old with pimples and a big adams apple?

One night, thirty-six years ago, during the midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, I sat in the projection booth and read a short story by Ray Bradbury called "A Sound of Thunder.” It was about a guy who traveled back in time to look at dinosaurs, but against strict orders, ventured off the observation platform and accidentally stepped on a butterfly. When he returned to the present, everything in the world had changed. "The Butterfly Effect” is now an expression that describes a single event that leads to a series of unanticipated outcomes, resulting in a profoundly unintended consequence. (Ironically, it's also a movie with Ashton Kutcher, which I had to pay to see 30 years later.)

Anyway, I’m not an economist or a sociologist, but I’m pretty sure a $20 minimum wage would affect a lot more than the cost of a Big Mac. Beyond the elimination of many entry-level jobs, consider the effect on the skills gap. According to the BLS, they’re about three million available positions that companies are trying to fill right now. Very few of those jobs require a four-year degree, but nearly all require specific training. And all pay more than the current minimum wage. If we want a skilled workforce, (and believe me, we do,) should we really be demanding $20 an hour for unskilled labor?

Last year, I narrated a commercial about US manufacturing, paid for by Walmart. It started a shitstorm, and cost me many thousands virtual friends. Among the aggrieved, was a labor organization called Jobs With Justice. They wanted me to know just how unfairly Walmart was treating it’s employees. So they had their members send my foundation over 8,000 form letters, asking me to meet with unhappy Walmart workers, and join them in their fight against "bad jobs.”

While I’m sympathetic to employees who want to be paid fairly, I prefer to help on an individual basis. I’m also skeptical that a modest pay increase will make an unskilled worker less reliant upon an employer whom they affirmatively resent. I explained this to Jobs With Justice in an open letter, and invited anyone who felt mistreated to explore the many training opportunities and scholarships available through mikeroweWORKS. I further explained that I couldn’t couldn’t join them in their fight against "bad jobs,” because frankly, I don’t believe there is such a thing. My exact words were, "Some jobs pay better, some jobs smell better, and some jobs have no business being treated like careers. But work is never the enemy, regardless of the wage. Because somewhere between the job and the paycheck, there’s still a thing called opportunity, and that’s what people need to pursue.”

People are always surprised to learn that many of the subjects on Dirty Jobs were millionaires - entrepreneurs who crawled through a river of crap, prospered, and created jobs for others along the way. Men and women who started with nothing and built a going concern out of the dirt. I was talking last week with my old friend Richard, who owns a small but prosperous construction company in California. Richard still hangs drywall and sheetrock with his aging crew because he can’t find enough young people who want to learn the construction trades. Today, he’ll pay $40 an hour for a reliable welder, but more often than not, he can’t find one. Whenever I talk to Richard, and consider the number of millennials within 50 square miles of his office stocking shelves or slinging hash for the minimum wage, I can only shake my head.

Point is Darrell, if you fix the wage of a worker, or freeze the price of a thing, you’re probably gonna step on a few butterflies. Doesn’t matter how well-intended the policy - the true cost a $20 minimum wage has less to do with the price of a Big Mac, and more to do with a sound of thunder. Frankly, it scares the hell out of me.

Mike

PS I looked into the Freedom Socialist Party and their demand for a universal, $20 an hour living wage. Interesting. You're right - they're serious. But not long after they announced their position, they made the interesting decision to advertise for a web designer....at $13 an hour. Make of that what you will... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/18/socialist-13-hour_n_6008432.html





https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/938382126171931:0

oldskool83
02-06-2015, 11:01 AM
make it 9 an hr. and then everyone needs to shut up about it. If you do not go to school or have no worked hard to get a well paying job I do not care. working at Wal-Mart or BK earing 20 an hr. while someone went to school 2 or 4 years making 20 an hr. using their brain to design things is not equal playing.

Minimum wage jobs are what they are because they require no skill even persons with down syndrome can do them and I am not hating on anyone with down syndrome because the local boy at our home depot is more willing to help us find stuff then the fat ass behind the paint counter who can't figure out the difference between semi gloss and Satan paint.

I worked a min wage job cleaning a hotel, it was mindless easy work. Why did I do this, because I was unemployed and bored out of my mind and I had drive to find some type of work that was flexible while I looked for a great new job since I had gotten laid off.

You choose your job, your job does not choose you there for you choose what your truly worth an hour.

Scootertrash
02-06-2015, 11:10 AM
Exactly!

Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be careers.

slashfan7964
02-06-2015, 02:01 PM
Its reassuring to know at least one person in this country has their head on straight.

Jmoozy27
02-06-2015, 02:38 PM
Its all to turn a democracy into a dictatorship. Hard work should be rewarded not laziness. Just another attempt to turn the American public against what has made this country strong. Pay a burger flipper $20 an hour and millions lose jobs and collect from the government. There is no way to have a manageable economy at that point. Stick to your guns and try to raise your kids to be strong so they don't just fold up and fall in line with their peers.

atc007
02-06-2015, 02:47 PM
And let us not forget.... The waitress bringing me my glass of water and carrying my plate back to the kitchen,,,,,wants half for her tip,of what the EMT's out in the parking lot get diagnosing a medical emergency,treating it and racing you to the hospital....Yeah,,,I don't think so.... Sorry to the waiters reading this. If you want a steady guaranteed income. get a real job lol. No,I know waiting tables is a real job. I just can't get my head around the size of tips most people leave. Actually, My Cousin went to school for 6 years. Wherever that lands your degree. He now is a supervisor at Medicare......He waited tables all through college,and THREE years after....He couldn't afford to quit....Blew my mind, but true.

And btw,, No ones perfect, But Mike Rowe kicks ass!!

RIDE-RED 250r
02-06-2015, 05:56 PM
Really like Mike Rowe!

83ATC185
02-06-2015, 07:12 PM
because the local boy at our home depot is more willing to help us find stuff then the fat ass behind the paint counter who can't figure out the difference between semi gloss and Satan paint.


I dont think ive ever seen satan paint :lol:

But seriously, the real problem here is the peoples willingness to improve that's the problem. Raising minimum wage doesn't do anything but hurt us all. The people begging for this change don't even see how it wont benefit them the least little bit. My first job was working 10,12, sometimes 14 hrs a day at a sawmill, stacking and sorting lumber by hand. I made minimum wage. After a year and a half, i told myself, surely i can do better than this. And i did. After working at several local automotive plants, slowly building work experience and wages too, I'm here, an engineering technician for one of the biggest timing companies in the country. It took a few years and making a few choices in life not knowing what would happen, along with help and encouragement from family and friends, to get where i am now. It took me stepping up and facing unknowns, and making choices.

Its a whole lot easier to beg for a pay raise from the government at McBurgerJoint than to walk out and leave everything to chance for the opportunity to better yourself.

Ive always liked Mike Rowe he's one of the few people on TV with a little bit of common sense and knowledge of the world around him.

slashfan7964
02-06-2015, 07:43 PM
Really like Mike Rowe!

He reminds me of my dad.

fabiodriven
02-06-2015, 10:22 PM
You said Satan paint!!!

OK this is pretty much what I had touched on in the immigration thread. As pointed out to me by Morgan Spurlock, our country is hopelessly reliant on cheap labor at this moment in time. What I wrote was not a popular post and was taken as me sticking up for illegal aliens, however I lacked the knowledge of the facts to really convey what it was I foresaw. This is pretty much the trouble I could see stemming from simply "raising pay wages, that'll solve everything". If it were just that easy it would be done. It's not just that easy. Our country is reliant on cheap labor, both foreign and domestic, that could ultimately contribute its downfall. Our country used to have skilled workers that started out in less than glorious positions, just as Mike Rowe said, that WORKED their way to the top and learned a lot on their way up. People in this country just aren't the same anymore. Everything is the easiest way possible, the cheapest way possible, no pride in products or names. Everyone is entitled, everyone is number one. I could have a lot more money and be pokin other people's women if I wanted, but I'd rather be a happy, honest man, which is why I get taken advantage of and why I struggle to get by sometimes. People are surprised with honesty often times these days. I've watched friends "succeed" in life by stepping on other people to climb to the top, then they think they're going to look down on me once they get up there. Not gonna happen, I could be up there too but I'm down here by my own choice and by doing the right thing, and in turn I have 100 people I could call if my truck broke down right now. I know more than one person who has told me that I'm "their only friend", or at least I was. That's because I'll give anyone a shot until they prove themselves not worth it. I do OK as far as work goes, but I've seen many, many occasions over the years where dishonesty would have paid. I've watched others take those "opportunities" and I've also watched the kinds of people they turn into, or perhaps it's something that was always there but it surfaces. If you're smart and work hard you can absolutely get somewhere, however it seems as though if you're "smart" (cruel) and "hard" (ruthless) you can climb the ladder and excel much faster in some instances. I know people that think they're looking down on me because they have the nicer house and car, and they go to the nice restaurants and vacations. I have to take my shoes off when I come in their homes but they don't even have to shut the door to my house when going in and out. This is the "success" I've seen on many occasions as of late. It's how our country is and I don't see it changing. People try to talk down to me a lot, and I fail to see where they get off thinking they can speak to other people that way, or even doing so if for some reason they did have the authority. That's no way to get as much as you can from life. The values these people should have gotten were never experienced, or just not for them maybe. Maybe their house is nice, but nobody's ever going to come by. We get multiple pop-ins weekly at this shanty (roll on through!) Their phone can do a lot mine can't, but nobody is ever calling them. I slept a good part of today after working an overnight last night and woke up to three missed calls and almost 10 texts. So some things are just as important as money, and if you take from the good side to add to your money pile then your riches, I would imagine, would be somewhat spoiled? Spoiled though... There's the word right there. That's the problem with this country, and a simple "well put Americans to work and raise the wages" is not nearly just that easy. You can't just add to one pile without taking from another. The imbalance would be extremely evident right off the bat, which if I've figured out then I'm sure someone who actually knows something has figured that out a long time ago.

I completely agree with putting those who are incarcerated to work. That could be a very feasible solution, but you'll never see it happen. This whole country, illegals and jailbirds included, have far too many rights. Remember, they're all entitled. There's no reason why convicts should have to bust their asses, they have rights too! So sad that they do but they do. Last I checked prison was supposed to be punishment,not a place for criminals to congregate and branch out or excel within their own ranks. Picking oranges for zero pay all day sounds like a pretty bad punishment to me, but we'll never see it. It just makes too much sense.

Chopsaw
02-06-2015, 10:44 PM
I enjoyed reading ,,, his reply , because I worked as an usher when I was 17 . He was spot on with everything he said about the job . I made $1.90 per hour and 2 movies tickets . What I got in return was several life leasons , like he said . How to act , take control and keep it . Lead by example , and so much more . Was never about the money , was about doing the job .

sledcrazyinCT
02-07-2015, 10:59 AM
Can Mike Rowe speak before congress? Our politicians need a reality check

Scootertrash
02-07-2015, 09:44 PM
Can Mike Rowe speak before congress? Our politicians need a reality check

He did in 2011 ;) When you make time (not when you have the time ;) just do it) Check out his website:

http://www.mikeroweworks.com/2011/05/mike-rowes-oral-testimony-to-the-senate-commerce-committee/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NwEFVUb-u0



I would LOVE to have a beer with Mike Rowe, and I would even buy!

250rs-neva-die
02-07-2015, 09:45 PM
Fabio, I always enjoy reading your posts. I couldn't agree more. This generation growing up now just wants everything handed to them. Nobody wants to work anymore. I feel that the advancement of technology with all these smartphones and whatnot has a lot to do with it. Now don't get me wrong technology has it's place with certain things. But it is just making this entire country lazy and not wanting to work and want everything handed to them. Kids now a days don't even know how to read a map or use a dictionary because they just google everything. If a kid is going to grow up not knowing how to do simple things like that how is that kid going to have ambition and drive to want to learn how to do a simple job at a young age.

I am 30 years old. I have been working since I was 10 years old. I had a paper route. It taught me a lot of basic skills. I kept that paper route till I was 17. At 13 I started working at market basket. Did that for 2 plus years. At 15 I started landscaping and did that for 12 plus years along with plowing in the winter. At 15 I was basically working 3 jobs. At 22 I got into local 104 as an apprentice to be a underground high voltage cable splicer which I am today. We have an apprentice at work now that is 19 years old he has been working with us for 8 months now and the kid doesn't want to do anything. He has no drive, always on his phone, can not retain simple things that you teach him. He always pulls out his phone to google a question that you ask him, just to test him, because I have taught him this 5 times already.

This little example of the kid at work just makes me cringe at how the future will be. Everybody wants everything for free. I have never had anything handed to me. I am going to try very hard to instill this into my 2 kids as my parents did to me. Nobody is going to come up to you and hand you a big bag of money. You need to go out there and work for it. Even now I still work for a moving company on the side for $75 a day, because that $75 is more than I had when I woke up in the morning.

Now after all of this 6 months ago I was diagnosed with a disabling disease. I could probably eventually go out on disability but I refuse to because I don't want it handed to me. I am going to fight as much as I can with this. My job is by no means easy. It is very labor intensive. But I still get up at 4am everyday in chronic pain to go to work because again no one is coming along with a big bag of money.

Sorry for the rant or if I got off topic but the way the world is going drives me nuts and scares me at the same time for my kids futures.

thcowboy
02-08-2015, 01:46 PM
i totally agree with NOT raising min. wage. Of course you would want to get a raise or get paid more at a job but if you want to you should work and get better at it and work harder or get a different job. It makes me mad when people want mininum wage raised just so they dont have to work hard. And when people are living off of food stamps and whatnot and have fancy iphones and shoes but dont do anything because they dont have ambition to do it, it makes me even more mad. I live on a farm and i work hard and work, thats shoveling manure, treating sick cattle, and working on tractors and semis when they break down.

RIDE-RED 250r
02-08-2015, 02:08 PM
Wow im 13 (i know im young) and i totally agree with NOT raising min. wage. Of course you wouuld want to get a raise or get paid more at a job but if you want to you should work and get better at it and work harder or get a different job. It makes me mad when people want minninum wage raised just so they dont have to work hard. And when people are living off of food stamps and whatnot and have fancy iphones and shoes but dont do anything because they dont have ambition to do it, it makes me even more mad. I live on a farm and i work hard and work a lot and in two years, i have earned roughly $500, thats shoveling manure, grain cart all day, treating sick cattle, and working on tractors and semis when they break down.

You speak like a man beyond his years... Keep up your solid work ethic! It's refreshing to hear a teenager in this day and age speak the way you do! :beer