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farmerfrederick
04-06-2015, 03:43 AM
Here is a handy guide for an almost drop-in LED replacement for your headlight. The headlight when installed will look completely stock and fit inside your original headlight housing. In addition, it has high and low beams, and hooks into your existing wiring so that your stock headlight switch will work to turn it on to low and high beams. You should be able to do this for about $30 (cost of light) and in less than an hour. You'll need a wire cutter/stripper, and some wire nuts or electrical tape. Existing hardware can be used for mounting the new headlight inside your stock housing.

Frustrated by the dim stock headlamp on my ATC 200 ES, I decided I wanted to upgrade it to something brighter. However, I wanted to maintain the look of the stock headlight.
I searched these forums far and wide about upgrading the headlamp to LED, but hadn't found anything definitive. So I decided to find a solution.
Here is my new headlight installed in the stock housing:
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Read on to find out how I did it. But first read about some other options and all the concerns with doing this before 3-wheeling ahead!

Other Lighting Options:
Several users have added additional lighting to their 3 wheelers by clamping on small LED lights, such as 27w accessory lights, and wiring those into the accessory port. Some people have changed the stock headlight bulb to a brighter bulb, and others have suggested putting a sealed beam halogen bulb in place of the stock headlamp.
However, changing out your bulb, switching to halogen, or adding additional lights all have one big drawback: Your power usage.

Electrical Considerations
The stock alternator on the 200 ES will put out about 5 amps, 70 watts. This is your power budget, which you do not want to exceed. Going over this limit can cause your lights to be dim, can blow your fuses, drain your battery, or possibly damage your alternator.
The stock headlamp is 45 watts, drawing 4 Amp on high beam and 2 Amp on low beam. Your taillight is 5 watts, drawing about .5 amps. So with your stock equipment, you're already using 50 watts 4.5 Amps, almost all of the available capacity of your alternator. You need to save a little power for the rest of the system and to keep your battery charged.
This is why we need to use an LED. Only a LED light can provide a substantial amount of additional light while drawing the same or less power.

If You Don't Have a 200 ES
For other models of 3 wheelers, the power level to the headlight may not be constant. This could damage your LEDs. You'll need to add a voltage regulator to the power going to the new headlight.
The 200 ES provides steady power to the headlamp, because it has a full wave rectifier, due to the battery, and the electrical system being designed to have variable loads.
If your trike does not have a battery, the resistance of the headlamp is actually used to regulate voltage. You probably notice that your headlamp brightness can change with how hard you run the engine. A voltage regulator will take that variable input of power and provide a steady 12 volts output.
The good news is that they are cheap and plentiful. Just search for 12v voltage regulator for ATV, like this: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=12v+voltage+regulator+atv&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A12v+voltage+regulator+atv

With that said, I present to you this guide for upgrading your headlamp to LED.

First, the LED headlamp assembly.
You'll need a 6.5 or 6.6 inch sealed beam LED headlamp, with high and low beam.
I chose a 45 watt model, I wanted to stick with 45 watts because that is what the stock headlamp used. Because it is LED though, that 45 watts will give you a lot more light, at least twice as much. The 45 watt LED should draw about 3.75 amps. This is about equivalent to the power draw of the stock headlamp.
Here is the one I bought, sitting next to the stock headlamp after I removed the stock headlamp from the plastic housing:
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These can be a little hard to find, especially finding just one, as most sellers sell them in pairs (for trucks, jeeps, etc).
Here is an example: http://hg-light.en.made-in-china.com/product/lvgJzhHdAVWb/China-Hg-1030-LED-Lamp-6-6inch-45W-CREE-Chips-LED-Auto-Headlight-with-CE-RoHS-IP67-10-30V-DC.html
You should be able to find them on ebay from various sellers. I actually bought mine on Wish.com, it was cheapest source to get just a single unit, the only drawback was that it was shipped from China and took about 2 weeks to arrive. Here is a link to all the ones on Wish: https://www.wish.com/search/45%206.5%20LED
I chose the 6.5 inch unit, to give me a little room for installing it, but afterwords, I believe the 6.6 inch would be a slightly better fit.
At this time of writing, the going price was $30.

Installation
Remove your stock headlight assembly from plastic housing. This is done by removing two bolts, one on each side of the housing, and a screw on the bottom of the housing. Then, remove the light bulb and light bulb receptacle from the housing.
Here is the housing after removal:
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There is an outside metal frame, with clips which holds the glass and reflector in place to the frame.
Remove these wire clips so that you can separate the glass and reflector from the metal frame. Save the clips, we will use them again.
Now, lay the new LED assembly face down on the metal frame:
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You will re-use the clips to secure the new LED in the metal frame. You may need to bend the clips slightly to fit the shape of the new LED housing, but these clips should be able to hold the LED securely in the metal frame, as shown in the picture above.
Now, it is time to wire it up.
First, remove the wires going to the bulb receptacle. There may be connectors you can re-use, or just cut the wires and strip them.
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Here is a picture of how the wiring goes so you can line your wires up from old to new.
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The new LED assembly should come with a block with 3 pins on it. You can either attach your wires to these pins, or just cut the block off and wire the wires together.
If your assembly and 3 wheeler is like mine, then your blue wire from 3 wheeler goes to red wire on LED, white wire goes to blue, and green goes to black.
Wired correctly, you should be able to turn the headlight on and off, and between high and low beam with your light switch.
The way the LED works is that in low beam half of the LEDs are on, and in high beam all of the LEDs are on.
Test your light before inserting it into the housing. In low beam, one full row of LEDs should be on, the light should be installed so that this on the bottom.
Stick the LED and metal frame back into the plastic housing and put the screw and bolts back in.
Congratulations, you are done!

Before and After

Here is the stock light high beam inside:
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Here is the new light high beam in same location:
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Much better!
And finally, here is my new view while riding outside:
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Resources

The following posts were useful for me while doing some research when starting this project:
ATC wiring diagrams: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/content.php/187-honda-wiring-diagram-section
Discussion about upgrading headlight: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/146772-Light-Bulb
Another discussion about LEDs: http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/156936-84-200ES-Big-Red-LED-Headlight-Replacement

I hope you enjoyed this guide!
I'll be posting some other cool things I did with my ATC soon!

Bobbywolf
04-06-2015, 12:47 PM
Very cool upgrade. I've seen others add lights, but I really like the stock replacement look.

Rob

ps2fixer
04-07-2015, 10:16 AM
Wow these are basically a direct oem replacement besides the wiring O.o.

If anyone is interested, I could build a wire adapter for these for pretty cheap, or if there is enough interest, I can look into buying quantity and replacing the connectors on them to be a simple swap and plug in.

Ironically I was planning to try to install some LED fog logs on my 250es, but the ones I sourced isn't a nice fit like these ones.

crownvicguy
04-07-2015, 10:13 PM
Very nice work!

tripledog
04-08-2015, 11:38 AM
Is the led headlamp high beam only, or can it be dimmed?

ps2fixer
04-08-2015, 01:38 PM
According to the wish.com listing, it does have high and low beams. Factory plug is H4 which is similar to the old style 250r headlight plugs or older cars.



Material: Die-cast aluminum
Body Color: Clear + Black
Size: 170 mm x 105mm x 80mm (L x W x H)
This is the newest headlights are 100% LED and will fit any 4x6.5" Rectangular headlight. These lights have both high beam AND low beam, together in one housing! This headlight will replace any sealed beam 165mm rectangular lamp housing.
15 X*3 W high intensity LED
Wattage: 45W
Lumens: 3060LM
AMP: 3.75A /12V ,1.875A /24V
Operating Voltage: 9-30V DC
These Lights Replace Both H4656 And H4651 Headlights
Factory H4 Plug
Waterproof Rate: IP67
Beam Type: SPOT BEAM
Life Span: 30000H
Working temperature: -40~85°c
Color Temperature: 5500K (Cool White)
Highbeam/Lowbeam Function
Shock and Vibration Resistant
LEN: PMMA

Kismet
04-08-2015, 04:43 PM
GREAT first post!

Thank you, Farmerfrederick.

farmerfrederick
04-08-2015, 11:07 PM
Is the led headlamp high beam only, or can it be dimmed?

Yes, the unit that I bought and wrote the guide about does have a high and low beam. Basically, the light consists of 15 LEDs, arranged in 3 rows of 5. On low beam, the whole bottom row and half of the middle row light up. On high beam, all of the LEDs are lit. This is why I mentioned that you should test the light before installing it back in the housing, so that you make sure that on low beam the light is oriented properly with the low beam section on the bottom. I'm not quite sure, but I think the low beam also has more "flood" type LEDs, while the high beam is more "spot" type LEDs. If this is the case, orientation of the light is even more important.

farmerfrederick
04-08-2015, 11:18 PM
Wow these are basically a direct oem replacement besides the wiring O.o.

If anyone is interested, I could build a wire adapter for these for pretty cheap, or if there is enough interest, I can look into buying quantity and replacing the connectors on them to be a simple swap and plug in.

Ironically I was planning to try to install some LED fog logs on my 250es, but the ones I sourced isn't a nice fit like these ones.

You are correct! These fit in there so well that they are basically a direct replacement.
The connector on the new light is an H4 plug.
I chose to wire mine up directly wire-to-wire, but someone could easily wire in an H4 socket to plug the light into.
You could buy one of these and wire it in for a socket: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=h4+socket&tbm=shop
If you do end up making a wire adapter, let me know, and I'll edit my original post to provide a link to your adapter.

tripledog
04-09-2015, 05:53 PM
What happened to the first part of the thread?

vegas250rr
04-09-2015, 05:59 PM
Second that!

ps2fixer
04-09-2015, 06:05 PM
Woah..

Maybe OP was banned/deleted, or someone deleted the first post which messed up the thread?

tripledog
04-09-2015, 06:10 PM
^^^It contained a lot of good info... wish I had a link to buy a similar led headlight for my 200es.

ps2fixer
04-09-2015, 06:53 PM
I might have sourced a supplier, if all goes well, I'd be selling the lights with the correct OEM connection for around $40 + shipping. Sadly the price for each light is pretty high from the place I found unless you're buying quite a few ($45 single with shipping). The OP found a place selling for $30 with free shipping but I can't seem to find the link.

Based purely on the headlight housing part number, it will fit the following models:

1984 ATC200ES
1984-1985 ATC200M
1984 TRX200 A HEADLIGHT

I suspect more will interchange, I'll just have to do some research and possibly look for testers for machines I don't own, or buy the headlight buckets and such off ebay.

Once I get my order in the mail, I'll rewrite the tut. Website says 5-15 business days.

farmerfrederick
04-09-2015, 09:17 PM
I might have sourced a supplier, if all goes well, I'd be selling the lights with the correct OEM connection for around $40 + shipping. Sadly the price for each light is pretty high from the place I found unless you're buying quite a few ($45 single with shipping). The OP found a place selling for $30 with free shipping but I can't seem to find the link.

Based purely on the headlight housing part number, it will fit the following models:

1984 ATC200ES
1984-1985 ATC200M
1984 TRX200 A HEADLIGHT

I suspect more will interchange, I'll just have to do some research and possibly look for testers for machines I don't own, or buy the headlight buckets and such off ebay.

Once I get my order in the mail, I'll rewrite the tut. Website says 5-15 business days.

Hello! Original poster here. I wasn't banned. I tried to edit my original thread to add some more information about the headlight, but after submitting my edits, the entire post disappeared! I am not sure if a moderator needs to re-approve my edits, since I am a new member, or if editing somehow caused it to be deleted. In any case, I still have all the information and can re-post it if need be!

farmerfrederick
04-09-2015, 09:25 PM
^^^It contained a lot of good info... wish I had a link to buy a similar led headlight for my 200es.

Hello, I'm the original poster. For some reason, my guide was deleted. I will re-write it when I get the chance. For those interested in buying the headlight that I used, here is a link to where I bought mine: https://www.wish.com/search/45%206.5%20inch%20LED
They are going for $30 a piece. These headlights are basically drop-in replacements. You will remove your original headlight assembly from the plastic housing, and then take the reflector and glass out of the metal frame. Then, drop the new headlight into the metal frame, re-use the clips from the original assembly to secure the new headlight to the frame, and then re-insert it into the plastic housing.These lights come with an H4 type electrical plug. You can remove your original bulb holder, and wire the 3 wires going to it up to the 3 wires on the new light. This way, your high and low beams will work from the original headlight switch on your 3 wheeler.
The link I provided is to to the shopping site wish.com. Your headlight will most likely ship from China, and arrive in about 2 weeks.
Again, if my original post does not re-appear, I will write a new guide and post my pictures of the process.

tripledog
04-09-2015, 09:30 PM
Awesome, double f. Thanks for the link!!!

farmerfrederick
04-09-2015, 09:34 PM
You're welcome! If anyone has contact with any moderators, message them and see if they can find out what happened to my original post. Perhaps it's just waiting for moderation because I edited some of the information?

ps2fixer
04-10-2015, 07:27 AM
You're welcome! If anyone has contact with any moderators, message them and see if they can find out what happened to my original post. Perhaps it's just waiting for moderation because I edited some of the information?

That makes a lot of sense, I'm betting that is what happened. I'd suspect within a day or two the post should re-appear. Thanks for finding the thread again and updating everyone you're still here :).

Since you are the master LED headlight finder, have you tried to find with any LED headlights that might fit other models of 3 wheelers? I'd suspect the 350x, 250r, and 250es/sx would be fairly high demand since they are faster machines and more light would be wonderful except for the people coming at you lol. I could get sizes if you know better ways to search for them since I have all 3 models (81-84 250r style). Another thing I know people have been wanting including myself is LED tail lights that either uses the stock tail light assembly, or is a direct bolt on replacement. I found some that look fine but mounting would require a special home made bracket.

farmerfrederick
04-12-2015, 03:01 AM
That makes a lot of sense, I'm betting that is what happened. I'd suspect within a day or two the post should re-appear. Thanks for finding the thread again and updating everyone you're still here :).

Since you are the master LED headlight finder, have you tried to find with any LED headlights that might fit other models of 3 wheelers? I'd suspect the 350x, 250r, and 250es/sx would be fairly high demand since they are faster machines and more light would be wonderful except for the people coming at you lol. I could get sizes if you know better ways to search for them since I have all 3 models (81-84 250r style). Another thing I know people have been wanting including myself is LED tail lights that either uses the stock tail light assembly, or is a direct bolt on replacement. I found some that look fine but mounting would require a special home made bracket.

I'll see what I can find. Unfortunately I don't have any other 3 wheelers to play around with, just my trusty Big Red. If you could get dimensions of the headlights, as well as post some pictures of the assembly, I can see if I can find something to fit. Another thing to keep in mind is that any ATC that does not have a battery may need a voltage rectifier. From what I understand, any model of ATC that is not an ES (electric start) is actually running an AC electrical system. The LEDs require DC input. If this is the case, my earlier suggestion of a voltage regulator would not be adequate, you would actually need a voltage rectifier, which will convert the AC current into 12 volt DC current. You would need something like this: http://www.speedsupplies.com/accessorylistingdetailpurch.asp?item=220045&gclid=CjwKEAjwjKOpBRChjsTyicbFy3QSJADP1gTNX4ochF-4NHkHNlCcB1s_VX72NgMpfkNPQPpSYdYpnhoCVkPw_wcB
I wish I had a 250r to play around with :)

sledcrazyinCT
04-13-2015, 07:46 AM
I would be interested in a light kit for an 85 TRX 125.

Recon
04-14-2015, 12:02 AM
Thanks for the information.

ps2fixer
04-30-2015, 11:09 PM
Been pretty busy lately (no job so making ends meet).

Anyway, I received my order for the same lights, love them so far, only thing I see as being cheap on them is the actual connector :(. Haven't cut the connector off yet to see if there is much copper in the wires, but the wires seem fairly good sized. I need to order some colored heat shrink to mark the wires because the wire colors are different than the Honda 200e/s wires :(. Once I get the order I'll be able to make the adapters for the 200es and a few other machines that interchange with it. Other models I'm not sure of, I think the main requirement is the headlight has to be held in by the clips and be a 4x6in headlight size.

ericmreimer
05-30-2015, 11:26 PM
I'd by an kit or adapter today if it were available! This is a great post!

ericmreimer
05-31-2015, 06:10 PM
I can't find the light on wish.com on my phone anyway but I found this one on e-bay. http://m.ebay.com/itm/181640231640

This look about the same?

markturbo
05-31-2015, 08:28 PM
Man thats a great upgrade! Would be nice to find something to fit the 250R and 350X. Light upgrades are well worth it, I installed HID's in my Honda TRX 350

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/MR2xxx/My%20Bikes/03%20Honda%20350%204x4/20141226_182454_zps11bd5540.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/MR2xxx/media/My%20Bikes/03%20Honda%20350%204x4/20141226_182454_zps11bd5540.jpg.html)

Dbrown016
06-01-2015, 06:05 PM
Wow this is sweet. Didn't think to use the stock housing on mine. I was thinking about just getting 2 of those LED pods to replace mine, but I think I like this idea better!

ps2fixer
06-15-2015, 04:36 AM
I finally got around to mocking up one of these lights on my 250es big red and only have 1 bracket made but I wanted to take it for a test ride. Wow what a difference. The machine I put it on has no battery so typically the lights are pretty dim, but the LED lights do not flicker or even dim at all! Dim vs Brights is so close there is no point in caring which it is on.

For those that are going to wire one of these up your self, the one I received was this wire scheme:

black - ground
red - bright +12v
blue - dim +12v

Honda's standard is as follows:

green- ground
blue - bright +12v
white - dim +12v

So from your harness -> led light would be this wire match up:

Green -> Black
Red -> Blue
Blue -> White

Now I just need to source a good way to produce the bracket I made.

FYI, the 200es light bucket does not fit on the 250es big red's light frame/guard, I was a little sad when I found that out since I knew I had to make some sort of bracket then.

If anyone wants to see the difference, keep an eye out for this big red, as it is my beater for mudding etc, and it is the machine I put the LED headlight on :). It might change a little as I'm swapping some parts to make life easier (plastic big red gas tank and such). The white seat will be a dead give away.

FYI, I used the 6.5in, and it fit the 250es headlight housing just about perfect, just like the OEM headlight.

big specht
06-15-2015, 01:25 PM
Sorry to get off the subject but what's up with the car tires on the one in the back round?

ps2fixer
06-15-2015, 01:39 PM
Sorry to get off the subject but what's up with the car tires on the one in the back round?

Lol, I picked up a machine I called "Fracklen buggy" that came with the tires. That exact machine had some nice tires but dry rotted tires on it and my cousin needed tires badly, so the got swapped over to keep it moveable :). Better pics for the LOL.

My uncle put 4 car tires on his honda rincon to be able to drive to state land with out wearing out his atv tires, he said they performed well in the trails, only thing they sucked at was anything slick like wet dirt or mud, they spun like crazy in.

C-lab
03-12-2017, 11:02 AM
Yes, the unit that I bought and wrote the guide about does have a high and low beam. Basically, the light consists of 15 LEDs, arranged in 3 rows of 5. On low beam, the whole bottom row and half of the middle row light up. On high beam, all of the LEDs are lit. This is why I mentioned that you should test the light before installing it back in the housing, so that you make sure that on low beam the light is oriented properly with the low beam section on the bottom. I'm not quite sure, but I think the low beam also has more "flood" type LEDs, while the high beam is more "spot" type LEDs. If this is the case, orientation of the light is even more important.
First of all, thank you for the excellent write up. I used this how to on both my 82 ATC 200 and 84 200X.

One correction though, the light is oriented correctly when the low beam lights the top half of the light. It is a reflection so everything is reversed.

Also, a question while I'm here if anyone can help. I haven't gotten a voltage regulator/rectifier to work on the 200X. I got one of the small black 4 pin boxes that didn't work. Then, I thought it would be best to buy one from an ATV that had a factory battery. Instead of being smart and buying one for an ATC with a battery, I got one for a 300EX. It puts out a nice steady 14.1V but as soon as I hook a battery or the headlight to it, the engine either stumbles or dies altogether. It has 3 wires coming from the alternator and my 200X only has 2. My question is what regulator/rectifier will for sure work on the 200X? I'm going to get one from a 200E or ES for my regular 200, because what I have works but isn't consistent. The alternator on my 200 has 3 wires, not 2 like the 200X. I'm going to be adding a small battery to it and it should work nice.

Any help is much appreciated.

ironchop
03-12-2017, 11:10 AM
You need to move the ground on the lighting coil. That's the third wire that should be coming from the stator cover to the reg/rectifier. You have to go in there and disconnect the ground from the case and solder a wire to the end of that and run it outside the case to the reg/rectifier

This thread here explains it:

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?t=173978


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C-lab
03-12-2017, 11:20 AM
Wow, thank you for the tech. I would've never figured that out on my own! I'll try that today and let you know how it goes.

So, that ground is the third wire on my 200 and when I add the better one to it, this won't be necessary, right?

ironchop
03-12-2017, 11:37 AM
I'm not sure how the stator is designed on your 82. Stators are one of the things Honda liked to change alot it would seem

I can only speak for what I did to an 85 200X to run LEDs successfully

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Herboso
03-12-2017, 12:41 PM
I have an 85 250SX. Its electrical system is pretty much the same as the ES, isn't it? This should be a drop-in conversion for the SX exactly as shown, right?

C-lab
03-12-2017, 01:13 PM
I'm not sure how the stator is designed on your 82. Stators are one of the things Honda liked to change alot it would seem

I can only speak for what I did to an 85 200X to run LEDs successfully

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What kind of regulator/rectifier did you use for yours? The one I have for the 300EX has 5 wires. 3 yellows from the stator, then power and ground out to the battery. I'm hoping the ground wire you recommended will allow me to use the 300EX setup that I already have. If not, I'll grab one like you used since it is a tested theory for the 200X.

I think your right about Honda switching stator types frequently. I want to put a more powerful one from an ES on my little 200. Mine is 50W and those have 70W, I think. I figured that they're basically the same setup but I don't think they'll interchange. It looks like the side cover is a good bit different on the electric start models, which makes sense.

C-lab
03-12-2017, 01:18 PM
I have an 85 250SX. Its electrical system is pretty much the same as the ES, isn't it? This should be a drop-in conversion for the SX exactly as shown, right?
I'm far from an expert, but I believe you're correct. Any of the electric start models already have a voltage regulator/rectifier to give you DC power. You also have the battery to provide you with a nice steady, clean voltage, even at low RPM.

I don't know if the headlight housing is the same or not, so I can't help you on that part.

ironchop
03-12-2017, 01:26 PM
What kind of regulator/rectifier did you use for yours? The one I have for the 300EX has 5 wires. 3 yellows from the stator, then power and ground out to the battery. I'm hoping the ground wire you recommended will allow me to use the 300EX setup that I already have. If not, I'll grab one like you used since it is a tested theory for the 200X..

I used a Tympanium. I've had good luck with them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TYMPANIUM-SINGLE-PHASE-VOLTAGE-REGULATOR-RECTIFIER-PN-TBS-4034-/361197563042?hash=item54190d6ca2:g:u6kAAOSw1ZBUxSB d&vxp=mtr



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Ryft
10-13-2017, 11:12 PM
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This is what I came up with using this thread as a starting point

85bigred00
10-13-2017, 11:46 PM
I put an LED floodlamp on my beat up 250es but my install is not very good I just mounted it as fast as possible basically just found a thing that was in the middle and drilled a hole in and my switches didn't work right as my high low switch turned the power on and off (wiring was a mess). Not pretty but works good.
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