Guns n' Gays...

[Caminofeld]

So I just read about a mass shooting today at a Florida nightclub. Apparently it was the worst in US history, with over 50 dead. The shooter stated he was a member of ISIS.

I know we're always ranting about the tramplings on the ol' 2A, so I have a few questions…

-In the article I read, why did it seem like they were more mad at the "assault rifle", "AR-15", "high capacity assault weapon", "machine gun" (terms used over and over throughout my read) than the RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST who pulled the trigger?

-Florida has SYG and easy to obtain CCW, so why wasn't anyone packing [guns]. Why wasn't one damn person armed and shooting back?

I'm sure the gun grabbers are secretly delighted that they have a new shooting to talk about (if dead children and dead African American churchgoers didn't get the bans through, maybe dead homosexuals will). This is going to be sad to watch…every anti-gun nut in America is going to try and make the slain martyrs for their cause…and I'm sure it won't be long before some religious group says God killed them because they're gay…then that group gets tied by the media to the pro-2A crowd and the masses drink the Kool-aid again...

Hi-caps and "assault weapons" will be a thing of the past soon I'm sure.

Not that I own any, but I would highly recommend "ghost guns" made from 80% lowers…

…and Lancer Tactical makes some amazing 30 rd mags...

[knappyfeet]

I use to believe stricter gun laws or a leap towards Europes style of banning was inevitable........... I'm not so sure now. If slaughtering innocent elementary school children couldn't do it I doubt frolicking gay and lesbians at a "gay bar" in the wee hours of the morning will do it.

Wasent there an off duty officer in the capacity of a security officer on duty/present there? It seems like it would take some time to shoot over a 100 folks with half fatalities.

I pray for them and their families. I hope God comforts the families and heals the wounded.........nobody deserves to die in this manner.

[El Camexican]

I can't imagine what the heck went on in there that the guy could keep stopping and reloading without anybody being able to do something, even to throw a chair or a bottle to distract him long enough to tackle him. Allegedly the emergency exits were chained shut. That's insane, we had about 50 people die here a few years back because the emergency exits were locked at a casino that the Narcos burn down because the owners weren't paying them off. To me this is a classic case of just one gun in the right hands could have prevented most of these deaths, but as you mentioned the Liberals will make sure this is a gun control issue and not a radical nut job issue.

[hoosierlogger]

El Camexican, I had the same thoughts about no one in the whole place had a gun. Not one gun in all of those people. I understand that Florida has concealed carry laws prohibiting a concealed weapon in a bar, but come on. One would think that the law would turn a blind eye on a concealed carry permit holder that was illegally carrying a firearm in a off limits place in a situation like this.

[RUNMEDOWN]

I understand that Florida has concealed carry laws prohibiting a concealed weapon in a bar, but come on.
I think this is the issue, we have the signs on the front of my buildings stating this is a gun free location, what this is actually saying is "There are no guns in this building." I work in an industry that has a lot of ups and downs and people can get upset based on things that are out of my control. We have badge access doors but I would not mind having the option of having my .45 in my desk. Not saying I would but then anyone who feels they need to show up to the building would know it is possible that they may encounter some resistance.

[ironchop]

Not that I own any, but I would highly recommend "ghost guns" made from 80% lowers...

Not that I own any either but besides 80% AR receivers, you can build from "flats" too. Just requires bending and welding I've heard. You can build HK G3 91 93 MP5, AK variants of all kinds, Cetme L, Cetme C, UZI, Sterling's, Suomi's, Mac's, Stens, and dozens of others from a parts kit and an unfinished sheet metal receiver.
Oh.....and 1911 80% receivers are available too

Just throwing that out there



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[hoosierlogger]

I think this is the issue, we have the signs on the front of my buildings stating this is a gun free location, what this is actually saying is "There are no guns in this building." I work in an industry that has a lot of ups and downs and people can get upset based on things that are out of my control. We have badge access doors but I would not mind having the option of having my .45 in my desk. Not saying I would but then anyone who feels they need to show up to the building would know it is possible that they may encounter some resistance.

Another issue is people are being conditioned to run and hide rather than stand and fight. Too many people have a someone else will take care of me attitude.

The signs on private businesses are not above your right to carry a gun into it. The workplace is a different story unless approved by management. As long as they can't see it, they are none the wiser. I carry everywhere. I disregard the signs. I'd rather have a better chance of being alive and facing a few charges rather than being killed or injured in a building where the owner didn't allow guns. I couldn't have it on my mind forever that I could have potentially stopped a bad guy from killing dozens of people because I left my gun in my car because a liberal business owner said I couldn't bring it inside.

What they don't know won't hurt them.

[atc300r]

I work in a public school system in ny.We went to a seminar run by the school districts resource officers who are city police asigned to the school.They want to teach employees to fight.Only thing is they want us to try and disarm the threat.There was talk about training some willing staff members to get and carry firearms.Or putting some sort of arsonal in several places in the buildings with a handful of people having access.Gun laws dont affect these terrorist.

[redsox]

Liberal Logic = If you've ever shot a gun, you're now a homophobic barbarian. There is no cure, but try to start taking your dumps in the ladies room, as it may help you Jennerize. WTF is happening in this world?!?!?!????? How did we get to this point?? This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife... Glamy, i'm losing it, man. I'm losing it!

[atc300r]

We need Glamys input on this.

[El Camexican]

So here I am sitting at the border for over two hours now with at least one hour more to go. Apparently the reaction to an American born person who was investigated by the FBI prior to going nuts and killing a bunch of innocent people because he belonged to a mosque where two other members had already committed suicide attack mission overseas is to increase security at a border where 90% or more of the people crossing are Catholic. Do you feel safer now?

[atc300r]

And people are upset with Trump for wanting to keep them out.WtFh.

[Dirtcrasher]

If I go to a building and a sign says "gun free zone", I'm leaving.

This crap is NUTS!!

[ironchop]

I'm a proud father and gun enthusiast.

My oldest daughter is gay.....

And an elementary school teacher.....

It's like she has TWO things that now make her a fukken target for some loser freak with a gun and a mental issue (sorry but all of Islam's cult bulshyte doctrine aside, you still have to be a nutjob to take it literally and kill unarmed adults and/or children to please an invisible sky god who hates you already, infidel)

The thing that pisses me and my daughters off the most, is that there are people out there who are demanding gun confiscation and bans. Yeah 10% of them like to say stuff like "no, we just want 'common sense' gun control to make it harder to get guns for crazy people", but the other 90% would absolutely support a total ban and occasionally they screw up and say it out loud.

What my daughters and I hear when people who lost nobody to any of these tragedies start foaming at the mouth on Facebook is this:

"I feel terrified and outraged. Even though I'm intelligent enough to know that the police don't even know to respond until the first shot has already been fired into a human and the situation is dire. However, in order for ME to feel safer, OK m going to need those officers to uphold a new law which disarms everyone not on the Fortunate Ones list. I believe nobody has the right to self defense. They are just going to have to pray (where I can't see them and get offended) just pray that they survive the attack until the paramedics and police get there. MY feelings of safety and security are paramount to everyone else's right to defend themselves. Even though I know the Police cannot save everyone from these tragedies, I prefer for my own peace of mind, that everyone be required to be vulnerable to murder 24/7. Even though I know bans NEVER work, as I argued last week on that drug legalization forum, and that there would merely be a sharp increase in new criminal enterprises now selling black market guns attracting all the crime and innocent death that comes with criminal cartels...but hey, as long as I can sleep at night in my safe little community and feel safe and no longer outraged. I don't care that women are easy targets. I don't care that your daughter might die covering my daughter shielding her from a hail of bullets. All I care about is my own feelings and this ridiculous ideology that believes that gun laws or bans do anything. Even though you can't have a gun in France and that didn't stop three douchebags from smuggling illegal full auto AKs into the country to KILL 130 SOME PEOPLE LAS NOVEMBER. See, I'm too busy "on the go" to be troubled with exercising my brain a little. I want whatever is quick and dirty even though it's been proven to make no impact on gun violence but as long as an idea makes me feel better, then let's run with it. I'm busy and your daughters life doesn't matter to me. You must be disarmed because I'm too stupid to realize murder is already illegal so anyone willing to murder will break a gun ban too. Meanwhile, I'm willing to sacrifice all the gays and teachers and children and adults it takes until my utopian ideals are proven correct EVEN IF NEVER.....because EGO.

Im glad she's getting her CCW soon and we are shopping for pistols. I bought them a 12ga for their house.

So sad to see the political party and it's followers that claim to represent LGBT crowd seems perfectly happy to offer them up for cannon fodder to protect the "middle eastern refugee immigrants" agenda and Hillary's AWB agenda.

And BTW.....Look up Wackenhut/ GS4 that Mr Mateen worked for......holy cow, boys and girls, this guy was a VERY high security clearance for government contractors run by CIA. There's WAY more to this than a sexually frustrated loser with Islam ties going off in a gay bar.



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[ironchop]

So here I am sitting at the border for over two hours now with at least one hour more to go. Apparently the reaction to an American born person who was investigated by the FBI prior to going nuts and killing a bunch of innocent people because he belonged to a mosque where two other members had already committed suicide attack mission overseas is to increase security at a border where 90% or more of the people crossing are Catholic. Do you feel safer now?
Nice to see the security effort.

What they are telling US is that this guy is no kind of terrorist with no ties to anyone important but that he was a sexually frustrated gay guy who flipped his lid because his Islam and his butt pirate personalities simply had irreconcilable differences. And that all those ties to a radical mosque and associated with known terrorists and those trips to Radical clerics in Saudi Arabia and all of his own statements to EVERYONE HE ENCOUNTERED.....including his own confession in the 911 call to being ISIS....yeah they tell us that's all just coincidence and "nothing to see here" "closet gay who bought an AR15 and it made him go crazy" because you know how guns are possessed by evil and stuff.

The BEST way to stop Islamic Terrorism is to disarm Americans (sarcasm) OMFG.

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[atc300r]

Im planning to buy a couple shotguns for the house.Id like to get a pistol permit aswell.I would like to see ny go to open carry but haha good luck with that.

[ironchop]

Don't forget that the other guy who was reportedly arrested on his way to SF Gay Pride same day to cause harm with a carload of assault rifles, ammo, and explosives? Well that police chief DID arrest the guy but LIED about what he said he was up to. So it just quietly went away with nobody asking why a police chief would wildly fabricate the story on Twitter then come back and recant with no explanation or apology.

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[knappyfeet]

So here I am sitting at the border for over two hours now with at least one hour more to go. Apparently the reaction to an American born person who was investigated by the FBI prior to going nuts and killing a bunch of innocent people because he belonged to a mosque where two other members had already committed suicide attack mission overseas is to increase security at a border where 90% or more of the people crossing are Catholic. Do you feel safer now?

That's nuts.

Think about it........they already won. I mean...if causing chaos in America was the goal....the terrorists or fundamentalists already won. Not only the increased scrutiny at the boarder, ball games, plastic see thru purses/bags, etc.......but now they have our own people stripping down your mother at the airport....complete humiliation.... because she wants to go to a wedding in Arkansas. A couple more of these attacks on our soft points by terrorists and they are going to get the greatest win/gift of all........disarming the american population.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Alot of good points made here.. Chop, I have been making the same comparison about France when talking about this for the last two days. There is a largely gun-free utopia and guess what, disarmed, hapless victims were slaughtered.

I do feel the need to address a few statements made here, specifically Hoosierlogger.

Hoosier: In no way am I about to imply that I disagree with you making the good and smart choice to carry with what I am about to say. I just need to correct the record on rights as you stated that your 2a right grants you the liberty to carry at a place of business regardless of a sign on the door stating "no firearms allowed". Yes, we have the 2nd amendment protected right to keep and bear arms, 100%, absolutely. HOWEVER, the right of the owner of private property, (yes, a place of business, even if open to the public is still private property) does supersede your right as an individual to carry. Despite the fact that the business is open to the public, it is still private property. And the owner of property does have the right to bar the carrying of firearms on his property. Look at it this way, lets say you have an issue with alcohol, you don't drink, and you do not allow alcohol to be consumed on your property. This is absolutely your right to bar the consumption of alcohol on your property. If a friend stopped by and plopped a cooler full of frosty brews on your front porch and refused to comply with your rule barring alcohol on your property, you would be outraged and rightfully so. You would then ask that person to leave, justifiably so and within your rights as a property owner.

Now lets flip it around back to guns again. You have an anti-2a friend who stops by for a visit, sees your sidearm and demands you lock it in your safe while he is there. Obviously, you would laugh in his face because it is YOUR property and you can carry there if you wish and nobody can force you to do otherwise.

Just as you have the right to carry and own firearms on your property and nobody can force you to do otherwise, other (foolish) people can effectively ban firearms on their property as well. Liberty goes both ways.

Now I'll grant you that the right to keep and bear arms is specifically protected by 2a while alcohol consumption is not. But the principle is exactly the same. Individual rights and the constitution must be adhered to, even if it may sometimes be an inconvenience to one person or the next from time to time.

Having said all of that, I completely agree that business owners who adopt such policies are off their meds. The best way to make a statement is to not patronize their business.

Furthermore and if nothing else, I just wanted to make sure you understand that so you can make a better informed choice. If you carry in an establishment that has a "no firearms" sign posted and are caught, you would most likely lose any consequent legal battle that could ensue.

If there is no sign of any kind, then that's a whole different matter and subject to state and local regulations.

Again, I get where you are coming from, and I am a strong supporter of 2a as it truy does pertain to the individual citizen. But 2a is not the only God given, inherent right protected by the constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[Mr. Clean]

Wasn't this thread title a rock band from the 80's?

[hoosierlogger]

I understand what you are saying and I can assure you your comparison of guns and alcohol are not that same scenario.

I'm not saying it's right to ignore the signs, but it's what I do.

The reason I carry everywhere regardless of the sign on the door is this. Let's use Buffalo Wild Wings as an example since they are gun free zones. Say I'm sitting there with my wife and kids eating dinner as we do a few times a year. And say a guy walks in and starts shooting the place up. If I left my gun in the car I'm helpless, possibly dead. If I take my gun in (like I always do) and someone comes in shooting, Ive got a chance of stopping him and saving my life, my families lives, other diners, and restaraunt employees. I will absolutely gurantee you this. Regardless of being a gun free zone, the survivors will be grateful and not concerned one bit about a guy who passed a federal background check in the restaraunt with a carry license who stopped a threat against them.

Besides if they see your gun all they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse then the cops will be involved and you will be escorted off the property and that will be the end of it.

I carry a ruger LCP in a pocket holster. You couldn't tell it was there even if you knew I had it.

[ironchop]

I won't say I ignore the signs on the door as Hoosierlogger does, but let's just say I "don't look for them to begin with"....I've never been much on following all the rules.

I also have been asked to leave a place when my gun became visible and I politely left because I believe in the business owners right of refusal on his own property above all.

I'll say it doesn't stop me from just being more discreet. I'll never pack into a school or any government office but then again, I'm rarely in any of those circumstances much these says

Non gun owners would be floored if they really knew how often they are in public presence of a concealed firearms and never knew a thing

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[knappyfeet]

In the state of California it feels like a misdemeanor if you look at a firearm and a felony if you touch one.........at least in urban areas.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

I fully understand you both Hoosier and Chop, can't say I disagree with either comment.

[bkm]

In Missouri, if a store owner who prohibits weapons in or on their property and "sees" that you have a weapon and calls the police, I can only ask that you leave. If you return or refuse to leave, then you will be subject to Tresspasing violations. There is no weapons law in Missouri pertaining to carring on private property against an owners wishes or posted signage.

[Bren_downe]

You don't need a permit in Maine to carry a concealed weapon. Just thought I'd throw that out there in case anyone is thinking of moving.
http://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/licenses/weapons_permits.html

[El Camexican]

Think about it........they already won. I mean...if causing chaos in America was the goal....

THANK YOU!!! I have been saying this since having to fly right after 911. The bad guys were smart enough to know that the Western world would implode due to its knee jerk reactions and political correctness. And the scum bag politicians played right into it, why wouldn't they? It was a chance for them to make the biggest information grab in modern history and remove a pile of liberties and freedoms at the same time. They have more control and more information about us than even J.E. Hoover could have ever dreamt of.

Have you flown in the US lately? 3 hours check in times, thank you TSA for taking a good long look up granny's skirt! We are headed the way of Turkey and India (to name a few) where checking into a hotel is like an airport screening and bomb dogs are used as you pull off the street in your cab. If this was a game and I was a judge I'd say the terrorists are kicking our asses... because we are letting them! They are now being breed on American soil because of PC crap. The libs will tell you the answer is to get "Have you hugged a Terrorist today?" bumper stickers. I think something more along the lines of Queen Isabella of Spain is in order.

Fox News reported yesterday that this murderer's mosque has churned out three American born suicide mission takers... and it's still open! WTF??? It's a crime scene! How about the murderer's father? Has he shed a tear yet during is 1,500 minutes of fame? I haven't seen one. All his BS is contrary to his Internet postings. The apple doesn't fall that far from the tree. Who taught the kid to hate Americans?

All I know for sure is that this is just the beginning, it's going to get a lot worse.

[redsox]

Red,,, i agree with your logic, (as usual) but i'd like to pose a question. Can guns be "legislatively" banned? Its a slippery slope. Here's the logic. Your house. Private property for sure. You call the shots. You don't allow me to carry there, you can toss me at anytime. No problem... Now, how about semi-public events? Fenway Park? Bruce Springsteen/Bon Jovi/Liz Warren concert. Ticketed events. Its open to the public, but you must buy a ticket and agree to rules set forth on said ticket. its not an open door policy. Ok, no problem. Next step is an "open to the public" business. Starbucks? Chuck E Cheese? McDonalds? Can they stop me from legally carrying? I think you're telling me that they can. I would disagree at this stage, but maybe i'm wrong. Lets go further. What about a condo association or a cul de sac? What if they all got together and decided "no guns!" Its an association. They own the place. Can they institute a ban? Lets go further. A small town. Can the town council "ban" gun ownership? If it was put to a vote, and it was 99 to 1 against ownership, can the town ban the 1? I'd say no, because of 2A. But i said no 2 steps ago. Keep expanding. City. County. State. Country. Soon its over and it just a ban..... See the logic? I say it ends at private residence. Yankee Stadium cannot say "We're private, we don't want asians." Then the same rules apply. They can't say "We're private, we don't want legally licensed gun carriers." Am I wrong?

[Mosh]

It is obvious nobody can "stop" anybody from carrying anywhere, or we would not even be talking about this right now. However, it is about the reprocussions if you get caught in a gun free zone. Every state has a different policy. In Ohio you go into a church or school carrying and get busted you WILL go to prision. The difference is the nut jobs do not care and have nothing to lose to get their agenda done.
Even if you did take down a hostile shooter, and you were illegally carrying while doing so, you are going to have trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro to contend with. They always want SOMEBODY in jail, even if you saved the day.
Look at the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro Zimmerman went through in his first trial just to be found innocent and then ulimately shot someone again and wound up in jail anyway, which brings me to that next point below.

I own a business and welcome carrying but do not invite it or deter it, however I have said it before, there are a lot of Johnny do gooders out there that should NOT be carrying a firearm. They just do not have the mental fortitude, nor the experience 50% of the time. IMO if you are not firing 100 hundred rounds a month or more, in a panic situation all a guy is gonna do is miss the target and possibly injur others.

I have also stated before, I really like the "lets kick thier ass attitude, " or this " I am carrying so I will protect the flock idea in my resturant" but be realistic. Your chances of taking down a shooter equipped with a AR 10 or AR 15 with a 7-10 shot semi auto pistol is going to be pretty damn slim unless you can sneak up around his back and surprise ambush him. If you wanna argue that with me, than you agree with the policy makers that they should take the AR platforms from citizens, while the military can keep using them. Armed citizens will do so well with revolvers and 12 gauge shotguns, and bolt action rifles, against a mitlita armed with full auto rifles correct?

BW3 had a no carry policy here too. I gave them a card stating I will give them no business and not refer friends and family to there for the future. 6 months later the sign was taken down and they now allow carrying at my local one. I have called and alerted multiple businesses and had success getting them to reverse the policy, and that will get easier I think as these attacks keep happening. There are situations where a CCW person thwarts crimes quite regularly and properly reported, would really help arguments against the" no carry nazis"...
However, no blood or no drama stories do not shock or sell, so It becomes a bare mention in the paper, or a silent fart on TV, and they move right on to the something more shocking or riveting for the audience. Nobody cares if a car jacker got arrested becuase you held them at gunpoint til the cops arrived and it was over..

In Ohio, you go to prision for violating carry procedures, so I follow them to the letter. If I can't carry, I do not go, or if I have to go, I get in and gtfo asap.

[atc300r]

It makes me laugh that most people see the gun as the problem not the person behind it in these shootings.

[redsox]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/05/10/taunton-police-silver-city-galleria-shooting/

[ironchop]

It is obvious nobody can "stop" anybody from carrying anywhere, or we would not even be talking about this right now. However, it is about the reprocussions if you get caught in a gun free zone. Every state has a different policy. In Ohio you go into a church or school carrying and get busted you WILL go to prision. The difference is the nut jobs do not care and have nothing to lose to get their agenda done.
Even if you did take down a hostile shooter, and you were illegally carrying while doing so, you are going to have trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro to contend with. They always want SOMEBODY in jail, even if you saved the day.
Look at the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro Zimmerman went through in his first trial just to be found innocent and then ulimately shot someone again and wound up in jail anyway, which brings me to that next point below.

I own a business and welcome carrying but do not invite it or deter it, however I have said it before, there are a lot of Johnny do gooders out there that should NOT be carrying a firearm. They just do not have the mental fortitude, nor the experience 50% of the time. IMO if you are not firing 100 hundred rounds a month or more, in a panic situation all a guy is gonna do is miss the target and possibly injur others.

I have also stated before, I really like the "lets kick thier ass attitude, " or this " I am carrying so I will protect the flock idea in my resturant" but be realistic. Your chances of taking down a shooter equipped with a AR 10 or AR 15 with a 7-10 shot semi auto pistol is going to be pretty damn slim unless you can sneak up around his back and surprise ambush him. If you wanna argue that with me, than you agree with the policy makers that they should take the AR platforms from citizens, while the military can keep using them. Armed citizens will do so well with revolvers and 12 gauge shotguns, and bolt action rifles, against a mitlita armed with full auto rifles correct?

BW3 had a no carry policy here too. I gave them a card stating I will give them no business and not refer friends and family to there for the future. 6 months later the sign was taken down and they now allow carrying at my local one. I have called and alerted multiple businesses and had success getting them to reverse the policy, and that will get easier I think as these attacks keep happening. There are situations where a CCW person thwarts crimes quite regularly and properly reported, would really help arguments against the" no carry nazis"...
However, no blood or no drama stories do not shock or sell, so It becomes a bare mention in the paper, or a silent fart on TV, and they move right on to the something more shocking or riveting for the audience. Nobody cares if a car jacker got arrested becuase you held them at gunpoint til the cops arrived and it was over..

In Ohio, you go to prision for violating carry procedures, so I follow them to the letter. If I can't carry, I do not go, or if I have to go, I get in and gtfo asap.

When I got my CCW in Indiana, all I was required to do is send two separate blank money orders to the State Police and the Statehouse and pass their background check. No classes.

Here in KY, its a two day course on weapon manipulation (how to operate a firearm safely), required cleaning and disassembly is covered, target practice, and legality on self defense situations with a firearm. I like this ALOT better than Indiana's requirements (may have changed. I had my CCW there from '94 to '02)

I also agree that there are people out there lawfully carrying a gun who are neither trained properly nor mature enough to be carrying a gun. I know some folks like this.

I also agree that handguns require much more marksmanship to operate safely in public and to ensure innocent ppl don't get shot while someone is "trying to help". Handguns , especially the compact semi-autos everyone loves to buy, are NOTORIOUSLY inaccurate in untrained hands. Small pistol, semi-autos, short barrel is like the trifecta of misplaced shots. Lesser skilled should buy single action revolver like a SW Air weight. Everyone needs to train but semi-autos require greater hand and trigger control to be accurate and this is critical in a City Park or a crowded restaurant. Carrying is not for everyone. Most ppl realize this and opt out but you are still going to get a few wing nuts in the nail bag.

This country used to be raised to respect the firearm.

We are now indoctrinated to fear it and fantasize about spraying down a room full of ppl we dislike with it.

It was once a symbol of respect, freedom, justice, and personal responsibility.

Now the gun is a symbol of crime, control, power, hatred, cleansing, death, and video game fantasy.

Thirdly I agree that citizens with revolvers, pocket pistols, and shotguns don't stand a chance against a mediocre AR15 shooter. This is precisely why they want to villify and ban them so much. Handguns kill exponentially more people than rifles every year and even more than by "assault rifles"

Can you imagine if the Left media operated on facts? Handguns would be the new national symbol of racism and would be pulled from shelves faster than a Confederate battle flag. They aren't stupid. The statistics are right there in front of them, they just ignore handgun deaths when they are quoting these stats conveniently. Handguns are responsible for somewhere near 90% of ALL American firearm deaths. "Assault rifles" are less than 1%.

No there's a reason that they want no more hicap mags and no more "assault rifles" and it has NOTHING to do with public safety. It has everything to do with the safety of the people that they plan to hide behind when they are trying to desperately hold onto power once the masses start to see through the lies, corruption, and plotting and completely lose it alà French Revolution.

This focus on hicap and assault is meant to protect Them. We are not Them. They only see Us as useful idiots and worker bees.

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[ironchop]

OK but FFS wear a condom. Knee Herpes is a real moth$%&cker to get cleared up and I bought new bike shorts for this summer

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[keister]

One thing I would like to add is that in some states the 'gun free zone' signs carry the force of law. In other states, such as Pennsylvania, they do not.
I personally don't look for signs on doors, but in PA, if a person does walk past a sign it isn't a crime.
Now if the owner asks the person to leave, and they stay, they are illegally trespassing and could be cited at that point.
In any case, if you are truly concealed, nobody will ever know. I have never been frisked walking into a Buffalo Wild Wings (which I no longer patronize BTW).

Every state has different laws, and keeping up with them is somewhat of a nightmare.
In PA you are permitted to carry in establishments that serve alcohol. As I understand, that is not permitted in Florida.
In Texas, there are even laws regarding the verbiage and placement of these gun free zone signs. Oddly enough, that statute is 30.06, which I find quite amusing.

[83ATC185]

I also agree that handguns require much more marksmanship to operate safely in public and to ensure innocent ppl don't get shot while someone is "trying to help". Handguns , especially the compact semi-autos everyone loves to buy, are NOTORIOUSLY inaccurate in untrained hands. Small pistol, semi-autos, short barrel is like the trifecta of misplaced shots. Lesser skilled should buy single action revolver like a SW Air weight. Everyone needs to train but semi-autos require greater hand and trigger control to be accurate and this is critical in a City Park or a crowded restaurant. Carrying is not for everyone. Most ppl realize this and opt out but you are still going to get a few wing nuts in the nail bag.


This. Give me my no name cheap 6" .357 revolver, i could hit bottles on a lake at 35 yards all day long.

Put a Ruger LCP in my hands and if i ever had to use it, someone, if not everyone, but the shooter and myself will be hurt or killed. I'd be better off throwing it at them.


As stated before, the good firearms do in real life situations is nowhere near as dramatic and newsworthy as a shooter in a nightclub.

What the news, and people in general fail to recognize is that guns serve different purposes and they tend to buy what they want, what's trendy, instead of what they need
Its easy to say oh i want that gun, or i want this gun and there's nothing wrong with that at all, nothing wrong with fun guns for fun shooting! Reality is, when the SHTF, i myself need a bolt action rifle. I'm comfortable and confident and sure of my actions when shooting bolt rifles. AR-15s are nice, and i understand the appeal as well as supporting everyone's right to own one and i believe everyone should but they should also be proficient with that weapon. I know too many people that carry a gun just to make themselves feel bigger and that's the kind of thinking that will leave you dead.

I don't carry, or own an AR-15.

I also see a lot of fishy business surrounding this nightclub shooting. But everybody jumps on the lets talk about it bandwagon, as expected from our leaders, instead of waiting on the "lets do something about it" bandwagon. One man with an AR might be a terrorist. But what will they label 10,000?

Lets all rant and rave about this on facebook and in the news until we're almost tired of talking about it, and about that time something new and more exciting and liberty stripping comes along...Anyone else seen a pattern here in the last, coincidentally, 8 years?

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Red,,, i agree with your logic, (as usual) but i'd like to pose a question. Can guns be "legislatively" banned? Its a slippery slope. Here's the logic. Your house. Private property for sure. You call the shots. You don't allow me to carry there, you can toss me at anytime. No problem... Now, how about semi-public events? Fenway Park? Bruce Springsteen/Bon Jovi/Liz Warren concert. Ticketed events. Its open to the public, but you must buy a ticket and agree to rules set forth on said ticket. its not an open door policy. Ok, no problem. Next step is an "open to the public" business. Starbucks? Chuck E Cheese? McDonalds? Can they stop me from legally carrying? I think you're telling me that they can. I would disagree at this stage, but maybe i'm wrong. Lets go further. What about a condo association or a cul de sac? What if they all got together and decided "no guns!" Its an association. They own the place. Can they institute a ban? Lets go further. A small town. Can the town council "ban" gun ownership? If it was put to a vote, and it was 99 to 1 against ownership, can the town ban the 1? I'd say no, because of 2A. But i said no 2 steps ago. Keep expanding. City. County. State. Country. Soon its over and it just a ban..... See the logic? I say it ends at private residence. Yankee Stadium cannot say "We're private, we don't want asians." Then the same rules apply. They can't say "We're private, we don't want legally licensed gun carriers." Am I wrong?

Well the way I see it, legislators can write, vote on, and pass almost any crazy piece of legislation they wish. And the executive can sign it into law or veto. I give you the wonderful POS that is the NY (UN) Safe Act of 2013. Once this happens and a wackjob law is enacted, it is now up to the state or federal supreme court to rule on it's constitutionality. It sucks that our liberty can be so easily stripped only to have one hell of an uphill battle in court after court to wipe unconstitutional laws off the books. As to local, county, and state governments passing unconstitutional gun bans, they most certainly can. And if/when they do, now you have to fight it out in court after court. Because whatever the ruling is from one level of the court, the losing side will ALWAYS and without fail appeal to the next higher court untill it finally makes it's way to SCOTUS. Again, I give you NY's Safe act as an example. NYS does not allow whatever the federal ATF issued license it is that allows a person to own and fire fully automatic weapons (class 1 if I'm not mistaken). ATF may/will issue the license if state and local laws allow, which in the case of my craphole state, it does not.

So in short YES, they can and do pass unconstitutional legislation and have already concerning firearms ownership in my state.

Now onto the other scenarios... Yankee stadium, Starbucks, etc are all still private property despite the fact they are "open to the public". And it's my opinion (that I would like to think is fairly well informed) that the owners of those properties still retain the right to ban the carrying of weapons on that property, as much as I wholeheartedly disagree with the barring of legal carry.

I think things get dicey with condos/apartments and the like. On one hand there is the property owner, and on the other you have the tenant whose domicile is said living space owned by the landlord. I am honestly not sure how the cookie crumbles in that situation, unless a no weapons policy is specifically expressed in the lease agreement and the tenant agrees to it by signing it. When you agree to a set of terms by signing your name on it, that is a legal binding contract. And if you violate that contract, you are accountable despite what your constitutional rights. How many times have you signed something that states "by your signature, you agree to these terms".

Onto concert venues: You are absolutely correct in that by purchasing that ticket, you agree to the rules and policies set forth by the ownership of the venue. Now if Bruce Springsteen just demands that nobody carry a weapon at one of his concerts, it is an empty demand. BUT, if he requests such a rule from the venue ownership and they comply, thereby establishing a no weapons policy, then it is now a term of the agreement you "sign to" by purchasing that ticket. It's just like bag searches and metal detectors at large sporting venues and the like... Under the bill of rights, you are not to be subjected to unlawful search.. BUT, a property owner CAN set this requirement for admission into/onto the property. If you refuse to go through the metal detector at the ballpark, guess what, you won't be let in and you have zero legal recourse.

Homeowners associations: can pound salt IMHO... What are they going to do, try to subject you to searches of your home and property that YOU own to make sure you don't own any firearms??? No way, not going to happen.....

Anyway, running very long here... There are alot of facets to this conversation.

[bkm]

I was listening to Mark Levin last night and he said when he was 20 years old, he met with a senator from Nevada and during the course of his conversation the senator told him every time congress gets together, you lose a little more of your freedom.

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[RIDE-RED 250r]

^^^truth!!^^^

[Scootertrash]

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ETA: This is a big game changer for the fall elections and the liberal news media knows it. Ninety five percent of the news media is the democrap party. All of their candidates have been preaching to us that Islam is the religion of peace, we need to leave the boarders open, do not deport illegals, and we have to import tens of thousands of refugees from Syria into our country with little or no background checks.

Liberals are in panic mode and they will be blaming the shooting on everything but fanatic Muslims.

This happened because the government did not do their job of keeping America safe! I don't give a sh!t if it's because of "political correctness", or whatever other bullsh!t idea they want to try to feed us. This guy was on their radar, on their list, and they let him go. Hildebeasts State Department told the FBI to stand down on investigating the mosque he belonged to, the same mosque that produced at least 2 other radicals. Now they have to blame something other than themselves.

[ironchop]

I like Mat Best.

https://youtu.be/ebZ6AdB5PDE

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[Scootertrash]

We are asked not to judge all muslims by the acts of a few extremists, but we are encouraged to judge all gun owners by extreme acts of the few.

According to what they tell us, there is only 5% of the islamic religion that is radical. Whew!! I can sleep better now!! I feel safer already!! Wait, there are reportedly 1 billion muslims in the world, 5% of 1 billion....50 million crazies are trying to kill us!!

5% may be Radical but consider that fully 53% of moderate Muslims worldwide believe the Sharia Law is right, good and above all other laws. (Pew Research Survey.)
That means a half a billion moderate Muslims believe in Honor killings (among other atrocities.)

To give an idea what this is about, Islam believes their Mahdi can only come back to rule the world in shariah law, in the middle of great turmoil in the world. This is their way of stirring the turds. They already want to come to our country and live under their own law, even if it does not agree with the laws of our country. And political correctness is being used against the country, and its people for their cause.

All you need to do is look to Europe to see what will happen. Only a fool could think otherwise.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

[Caminofeld]

Well to touch on the skill set I've said it before and I'll say it again: Punching paper at the range once every few months does not mean you will be conditioned to engage an active shooter with the same accuracy…in fact, chances are your body will be in code red and you will lose all fine motor skill…prob won't be able to deactivate the safety…or maybe even get it out of the holster. I'm a huge proponent of having to take classes and pass a test before receiving a CCW. Everyone is right that shorter barrels/grips and lighter weight drastically decreases accuracy. For this reason I prefer compact 1911's in .45. Less comfortable to carry, but heavy enough to quickly balance and acquire a target. Also, in a CQC situation you shouldn't be training to use your sights at less than 10-15 yds…which makes range training even more bunk. You should be practicing regularly drawing from the holster then using the point-and-shoot technique (almost like passing a basketball if that makes sense…holster to chest to target).

All this stuff is scary for our freedom. Don't these people know that the 2nd Amendment is the RIGHT to carry arms…not an obsolete document subject to modification?

Furthermore, why don't many of these shootings occur in areas where people are known to carry? Oh yeah, because that would mean resistance. Hmmm… "Gun free zone"=easy target…

Has anyone heard anything about some eyewitnesses claiming that there were up to 5 gunmen? Port Arthur and Sandy Hook have questionable happenings as well. NWO agenda? Who knows…Oh crap, I think these words may have flagged me on the FBI watch list…better disarm me in the name of national security:/

[coolpool]

In the state of California it feels like a misdemeanor if you look at a firearm and a felony if you touch one.........at least in urban areas.


Sounds like a warmer version of Canada!

[Mosh]

Regarding Joes questioning on tennants, Home asscociations, leases, business lease, etc...
In Ohio, it is illegal for any landowner engaed in any kind of rental agreement or contract with a tennant landlord relationship to prohibit the tenants from keeping firearms on the renters property..In other words, the landlord cannot make your rented area a gun free zone, without specifically getting it in writing in the lease agreement and signed by the tennant.

See this is the damn problem. There is too many variances in laws from state to state. The 2A is a country wide ammendment. It needs federally protected, and a set of fedreal 50 state wide guidelines that impose the same specifics for obtaining and owning regulations.

In one state you need a urine and stool sample to get a gun, another state, you can't carry here or there. Another state you can almost get one from a vending machine.
It is chaos and disaray. If our driving laws varied like our gun policies state to state, there would be pile ups all over the place.

It is time to repeal these BS gun control policies on the books, and start over. Scrutinize the person not the machine..
Personally, everybody from here on out needs to go through the same guidelines state to state, and that should include at least 30- 40 hours of gun training, and emotional evaluation courses to receieve a liscense to own and carry a firearm anywhere in the 50 states. Many nut jobs would not even bother, and most lazy people would not either. And it should have a renewal process every 5 years to keep the license current. Immigrants are forbidden to own firearms EVER..Too bad. You already left your straw hut next to a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro river, get free health care and live tax free, so deal with it.
These idiots are going after specifics on machines and trying to ban them, while throwing terms like, clips, mags, assualt rifles, around in the wrong context, and the dumbasses probaby cant even tell which end of the firearm is safe to point downrange.

[ironchop]

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https://youtu.be/9rGpykAX1fo

https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0

https://youtu.be/mNjdlJxanmQ
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[RIDE-RED 250r]

You know, someone mentioned a few posts back how we are letting the vermin win by our reactions as a nation and policies that have been enacted in response to their terrorist attacks. I think that statement is more correct than many people realize.

Make no mistake, these scum are smart, smart enough to study and KNOW their enemy, which is us. I believe that that these mass shootings with "assault rifles" are VERY intentional.. What I mean is, they KNOW that every time some lunatic shoots up a school, night club, office, etc and uses one of those evil assault rifles, the first thing a major segment of our population and the political hacks they elected do is go right to work talking about and expanding "gun control". I think this plays right into their hand. They want defenseless victims, they want high kill count numbers, THEY WANT US DISARMED! Doing their evil deeds in this way serves two purposes for the islamic piece of filth, they get to kill a mess of infidels, and they are directly causing the erosion of the rights the people of this country are blessed with helping to ensure more defenseless infidels for the next jihadist piece of excrement.

No, constitutional carry will not guarantee a society where mass killings never happen any more than more gun control will. But I will NEVER be convinced that a lower number of legally owned and carried weapons by the citizenry will reduce the frequency and cost in lives of these types of attacks. No, 2 or 3 people carrying a weapon the night those people were slaughtered in that nightclub would not have guaranteed the shooter to have been stopped before killing the first victim. But dammit, if it could have reduced the death toll by one life wouldn't it be worth it?? If you are suddenly in a building with an active shooter, would you rather hide and HOPE you are not found??? Or would you rather hide and at least have the fighting chance to fend off an attack by firing back??? Or better yet, maybe you save a life??? I know it's not realistic to presume the average Joe Citizen with a CWP would be able to stop an active shooter, but EVERY person has the individual right to do all he/she deems necessary to protect their own life. I believe every person is entitled to a fighting chance, and for our politicians to strip away that right is the very definition of tyranny.

[Caminofeld]

^^^LMFAO Glamster^^^

[tripledog]

I like the AR-15 dildo model .......but does it come in white ?......i`m a little racist ....

There is a plaid model that should be a good fit for you. It is made by Thermos.

[Scootertrash]

Stop it! Year makin me hot! Ooohhh! Ooooooo! I need to chill out!

[tripledog]

Stop it! Year makin me hot! Ooohhh! Ooooooo! I need to chill out!

Sounds as if you are experiencing manopause... I didn't know that you could speak Glamese. Is there no limit to your abilities?

[ironchop]

All you need to do is look to Europe to see what will happen. Only a fool could think otherwise.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

1) Absolutely, but alot of Americans don't know about what goes on over there in Europe because the media blackout over immigration issues and crimes immigrants commit. We that do know are the exception. It helps having friends who are European but they tell me their own media, especially in Britain, won't cover certain stories or names either because 'xenophobia' might arise because, well, facts are inconvenient. They all seem to agree that in UK, Belgium, Germany, and France those media outlets there are reportedly just as untrustworthy and manipulated as American media is. Lots of YouTube videos of immigrant riots that never make the news there or here. If Americans knew, opinions would be drastically different on a number of Progressive ideas.

2) Yeah and they forget FAST don't they?

Just a handful of years ago, John McCain was taking selfies with the 'Syrian Freedom Fighters' while Congress pretended to vote on funding these 'rebels' so they could oust Assad because he a big old meanie. Obama, Clinton, McCain, Kerry, Lindsey Graham were proudly bipartisan as they provided weapons, cash, and new Toyota Tundras to the group who initially was called by Obama and McCain as "an Al Qaeda splinter group who broke away because freedom from Syrian tyranny". Initially, these leaders claimed 'Syrian Rebels and IS were different but then it came to light that they are one in the same and that we were now funding terrorists. Then they changed their name two or three more times so we would a quickly lose track and we discovered they weren't there for just Assad. They were there to genocide Christians, Yazidis, and Kurds first then Assad later.

Those "mortal enemies" the Democrats and Republicans both created and supplied an Islamic Army of wing nuts in order to destabilize the Middle East even further, distract the world so they could steal one natural resource or another, and give the American Prole class something new to be terrified of and begging for the protection only a police state can provide.

They did it right in front of us with no apologies and no excuses and yet everyone had something better to do than see it for what it was and demand justice. We threw a fit when they proposed that we send troops to oust Assad so they created and funded an insurgency in Syria of psychos, called it ISIS, let it take root and then run amok so we would have no choice but to demand "troops on the ground in Syria" to save us from ISIS terrorists who hate gay club kids in Orlando.

They all also forget that the Hebdo and Paris #2 attacks and the Train attack were all three perpetrated in a country with super restrictive gun control and bans on assault weapons. The full auto weapons and handguns used were smuggled from the Balkans states. Glaring very recent evidence bans don't stop a thing

That's not just forgetting very recent history. Thats just being plain ignorant by choice.



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[atcmatt]

Australian gun laws - Australian mass shootings. Enough Said.

[El Camexican]

There there's Mexican gun control: if you have the guns you're in control �� BTW many thanks to Obama and Holder for sending more to the bad guys while trying to push disarmament in the US. May they both rot in hell.

[Scootertrash]

All you have to do is pay attention to their terminology to see their end game: "High Powered Military Style Assault Weapon"

"High Powered": If the .223/5.556 round is "High Powered" what about 30.06? .308? Or any other big game cartridge? Your bolt action rifle is a High Powered Sniper Rifle.

"Military Style": Name me ONE TYPE OR STYLE OF WEAPON that hasn't been used for military purposes or combat. Take your time, I'll wait........

We have Progressives/Democrats telling us "They're not going to take your guns". Problem is, they don't have to take them, all they have to do is make them illegal. Offer rewards for turning in gun owners. Where will you practice shooting?

Their end game could take years, but look at the progress they've made so far. You have a large segment of the population who is clueless about guns and are scared sh!tless of them, due to Public school education by community organizers. The media constantly projects a negative image of firearms. It's just a matter of time. The Leftists/Progressives/Socialists are patient and persistent. And they are good at it.

Moderates and Conservatives need to start fighting back, hard.

If Hitlery gets elected, she will be potentially appointing 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. If you take a look at how close the last few firearm issues went with the Supreme Court, her appointees will have no problem trampling the 2nd Amendment.

[knappyfeet]

There there's Mexican gun control: if you have the guns you're in control �� BTW many thanks to Obama and Holder for sending more to the bad guys while trying to push disarmament in the US. May they both rot in hell.

Thank God its almost over for these baffoons.

I just heard on right wing radio yesterday that the gun shop owner where this pile purchased those firearms....called the FBI because he felt something not right.

So let me get this straight.....because I went to public schools....... this piece of sh!t was interviewed at least twice by the FBI, was on their watch list, received a tip from the gunshot owner about a month prior to his evil deeds, posted on social media all his hate and somewhat his intentions, cased this bar and Disneyland, .............and the authorities solution to this is to take your guns away in Nebraska?

But that's easy for Obama to say because at any given time he has 2 to 3 hundred armed security protecting him and his family and closing city streets for his safety.......... while my wife has to go to Walmart unprotected?

[knappyfeet]

....and you can taste the wine.....waters flowing under ground ......back to the blue again ....after the moneys gone ......same as it ever fawking was !!!

Black..white...black. That's an oreo cookie. Now I'm being a little racist.

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[redsox]

There is water at the bottom of the ocean.

[Scootertrash]

Ill just leave this here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VESsSJn88Q

ETA: fergot dis ;)

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[knappyfeet]

Every Muslim in the entire world should be banned from entering the USA ........Feckin-A .......it`s the only way to be sure .......use racial profiling too !....and then they bomb in Istanbul Turkey in a mostly Muslim country ???? ...whats next ??:banned::banned::banned::banned::banned:

Amen

Boooom...........winning

[Caminofeld]

I usually love it when I'm right…but sometimes I friggin' hate it…

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-governor-signs-stringent-gun-bills-vetoes-others/ar-AAhRKw4?li=BBnbcA1

Here is where it all starts…note how the article also says the Gov REJECTED a proposal to increase penalties for stealing a gun…because criminals have more rights than you and I. Now the fed knows exactly who has the ammo…and it won't be long before people trying to be prepared suddenly find themselves on the no-fly list and have their 2nd amendment rights stripped. Sucks, but success favors the prepared and those now in a scramble can't say they didn't see it coming. #MolonLabe

[ironchop]

That's some scary legislation right there

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[Scootertrash]

I usually love it when I'm right…but sometimes I friggin' hate it…

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-governor-signs-stringent-gun-bills-vetoes-others/ar-AAhRKw4?li=BBnbcA1

Here is where it all starts…note how the article also says the Gov REJECTED a proposal to increase penalties for stealing a gun…because criminals have more rights than you and I. Now the fed knows exactly who has the ammo…and it won't be long before people trying to be prepared suddenly find themselves on the no-fly list and have their 2nd amendment rights stripped. Sucks, but success favors the prepared and those now in a scramble can't say they didn't see it coming. #MolonLabe

Here's a little overveiw of what was passed and what wasn't:



Gun bills signed:

SB1235: Requires background checks for people who want to purchase ammunition, licenses for sellers of ammunition and sales data to be collected.
Practical impact on you: All online sales of ammo are done. All out of state purchases of ammo are done. No road trips for ammo that you plan on bringing back into CA. I would expect that most vendors will refuse CA sales out of state as it is too much of a hassle to figure out the few exceptions, even if you have a FFL and COE, but that's just a guess.
AB1511: Limits who a gun owner can lend their firearm to.

Practical impact on you: Bans loans of longer than 3 days and loans for other than lawful purposes.
SB1446: Prohibits the possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.

Practical impact/what it means to you: You have to either allow your mags over 10 rounds to be confiscated or move them out of state.


SB880: Expands the definition of “assault weapon.”

Practical impact on you: See explanation of AB1135


AB1135: Bans so-called “bullet buttons,” a tool developed by gun manufacturers that allows magazines to easily detach.

Practical impact on you: BB rifles, handguns and shotguns that are centerfire are now officially AWs as configured with a BB and must be registered as an AW with the DOJ. You will no longer be able to purchase a current generation BB firearm in CA. Once registered as an AW, it can not be passed down to your kids, you can't let someone over 18 use it, and there are more strict laws on transport and use. You can go featureless to comply and not need to register since you own an AW and the law doesn't have different kinds of AWs. 80% with BB must either be engraved and registered or go featureless. It seems that the CA legislature has opened up a window for those who want to register and have fully functional AWs with real mag releases, folding stocks, .50 BMG uppers, etc. to do so, and it seems that smart people will allow BB stuff to keep going as is. Looks like there are already fully compliant gen-2 BBs hitting the market. "BB" denotes "Bullet Button", not "bb gun"

AB1695: Makes it a misdemeanor offense to make a false report to law enforcement that a firearm has been lost or stolen.

Practical impact on you: Can't falsely report lost or stolen firearms. My opinion is that they're paving the way for confiscation. No more boating accidents.

Gun bills vetoed:

AB1176: Would have asked voters to make it a felony to steal a gun or buy a stolen gun, regardless of value.

AB1673: Would have expanded the definition of firearm to include parts that could be used to make a firearm.

AB1674: Would have made it illegal to purchase or transfer more than one firearm, including rifles and shotguns, within 30 days.

AB2607: Would have expanded who can seek a gun-violence restraining order to temporarily prohibit a person from purchasing a gun or ammunition.

SB894: Would have made it a crime for gun owners to fail to report a firearm as lost or stolen within five days.

If DOuHCe was still here, he'd be telling everybody "They're not coming for your guns, you guys are all paranoid"


All of this will eventually come to a state near you. Or, more likely, the one you live in. What are you going to do to at least TRY to stop it? Do you belong to the NRA? Do you belong to ANY gun rights organization? Why not?

Are you going to vote this fall? "Well, both candidates suck, so I'm going to vote with my conscience and vote 3rd party for that Johnson guy. He's Libertarian"


Gary Johnson said he agrees with Bernie Sanders 73% of the time.
"Gov. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate for president, said that he agrees with 73 percent of what Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) says, citing that libertarians agree with socialism as long as it’s voluntary."
He can get bent.

His pick for VP(Bill Weld) has voted in the past for gun control legislation. Of course, he now has seen the error of his past ways and will do nothing but stand up for the rights of gun owners.

The thing I've learned about voting? It's not necessarily who you vote IN, it's who you vote to KEEP OUT.

If you think that by not voting somehow you've "held your ground" or "didn't contribute to the downfall of the country" you're wrong. While you may not have voluntarily taken a bite of the sh!t sandwich, you will have the sh!t rammed down your throat instead, without bread and nothing to wash it down with. Then you can p!ss and moan as your money and rights are taken from you by the Progressives/Socialists and passed on to the non-producers of this country.


Disclaimer: The use of the terms "you" and "your" are not indicative of any particular individual member of this site or poster in this thread. YMMV

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[DohcBikes]

They're not coming for your guns. You guys are all paranoid.

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Check out the NY Safe act of 2013...... that's what we here in NY have been saddled with.

[tripledog]

Check out the NY Safe act of 2013...... that's what we here in NY have been saddled with.

And look at the impact it had on ammo prices. 22 caliber ammo prices soared while supply dwindled, and people hoarded what they could get. I can only imagine how expensive large caliber ammo is now.

[ironchop]

The Libertarian party is going off the rails.

Libertarians (classical) are somewhat Left-oriented. That much is fact. Gary Johnson likes open borders too however saying Libertarians like Socialism just like Bernie is BS. Voluntary Socialism is "charity" . Bernie wants you to volunteer more of your paycheck to pay for forced Socialism. Either Johnson is lying, a moron, or the party of Ron Paul has been subverted. No thanks.

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[DohcBikes]

The POTUS is selected and installed by corporate tyrants. The entire election process is a manipulative distraction. Your vote means absolutely nothing.

Learn to swim.



As opposed to all of the nonsense, here's something worth listening to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc

[RIDE-RED 250r]

Tripledog: my center fire ammo remains quite cheap.....I make my own. ;)

Damon: love me some Steve n Seagulls!!

[tripledog]

This thread really got me thinking, and I bought 3 extra clips for my 10/22 before they become extinct. I inherited all of Dad's .22 LR ammo, as well as a very nice Remington 870 pump. I have never fired a shotgun in my life, but at least now I have a bit more protection at home.

[ironchop]

That 870 is the ultimate home defense weapon. Good choice.

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[tripledog]

That 870 is the ultimate home defense weapon. Good choice.

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My avatar begs to differ.

[DohcBikes]

^ Does he also beg for table scraps? ;)

Mossberg 500 by my bed at all times.

[tripledog]

^ Does he also beg for table scraps? ;)

Mossberg 500 by my bed at all times.

He's a she. I'm the one begging for scraps.

[DohcBikes]

"The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relenquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." - Henry Kissinger