It took 4 years, but I got to my 1st Trike Fest.

[Mickey Dunlap]

From super highs, to super lows this weekend.

Trike Fest was more fun then I have had in a long time, the people were amazing, loaning me a Big Red 250 to get around on, thanks Gary! Meeting in person so many of my Face Book freinds. Had the most fun working Friday about 10 hours on countless 3 wheelers, helping make their bikes run better and seeing their happy faces after we got the running better was the best time. Watching Bryan Ditch win the MX by half a lap on his new 200x engine and winning his class in the drag race with it too. Then today I got some me time and sat in my van and watched 2 hours of Motor Cycle MX Nations with my new Direct TV system in the nice air condition van, doesn't get any better then that, I love my new van!

Then I call home and got the bad news that one of my cats got hit by a car Sat. morning, this was my little girl that I was the closest too. We just got her feeling and looking the best she had in years because we found out a few months a go she was diabetic, so we had to give her shots ever 12 hours . She had been living her 10 years and never even gone close to the road, so it's hard to not know why she was in the road in the first place. Anyway I know it may sound stupid to some people, but I have never heard my wife so tore up on the phone before, so I had to leave early. So my apologies to those I didn't get around to meet. The good news is I'll see you all next year, thank you everyone!


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[Mickey Dunlap]

I had worked so hard on this 110 to get it running, then when I went to put the gas tank back on I seen the frame was broke, I mean just about all the way in half, but they still went out and tried to race it! "are you crazy" lol It didn't make but 3/4th of a lap, but I can say he rode the wheels off it! lol


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[Mickey Dunlap]

I just noticed how hot it was, my tent is melting/ sagging from being so hot. I was so busy working on bikes Friday for 10 hours I didn't eat, I started getting sick. Thank God for air in the van!

[86T3]

I'm sorry about your cat Mickey. I know I'm very attached to our pets and would have been upset too. I stopped over on my Kawi 450 the one day, I think it was after the mx races but you were talking to a couple guys so I took off and never made it back. I'm glad you came out and had a good time

[Mickey Dunlap]

I'm sorry about your cat Mickey. I know I'm very attached to our pets and would have been upset too. I stopped over on my Kawi 450 the one day, I think it was after the mx races but you were talking to a couple guys so I took off and never made it back. I'm glad you came out and had a good time

Sorry you didn't stop back by, I was always talking to someone, started losing my voice.

It's funny, the past few years that I couldn't make it I would get all kinds of negative post putting me down, now they have nothing to say. lol

[fabiodriven]

I saw your post yesterday Mickey and almost replied but I have zero spare time. I'm stopping what I'm doing now since you're obviously referring to me.

Firstly that's incredibly unfortunate to hear about your cat. The only person I was in touch with at home the entire 9 days I was gone was the person minding my cat. I wouldn't be able to stay in Indiana if I got the news you did. She's extremely important to me.

Secondly I'm very glad you made it and enjoyed yourself! It's just an absolutely fantastic gathering full of great people. If I might speak of my own personal opinion, this being my sixth time going I was somewhat disappointed with some bad apples that made their way into the event and I might add that I was slightly embarrassed personally as such. Never in my Trikefest experience have I seen more blatant disregard for such simple rules and I feel as though the repercussions of these events will be felt for years to come. This year was by no means a total loss, it was fantastic as always, however in the past there were no bad apples rather than just a few. It's fortunate that you were able to make it when you did. To put a really positive spin on things, having those really bad apples around put things into perspective for me. If anyone has heard "Sometimes the enemy you know is better than the one you don't", you might understand my perspective. It made other things seem very petty to me, just head butts. Again my own personal opinion, I blame Facebook. For all the years this event has gone on this is the first year it's been promoted as heavily as it was on Facebook. In turn you end up with people nobody knows that have zero accountability for their actions. Forum members know each other far before we ever meet in person and we all have a name and reputation to upkeep and there are repercussions for our actions. As such we all get along like a giant three wheeled hippie commune for the week. People from all walks of life, all there together with each other. It's like seven Christmas mornings.

At any rate I'm glad you made it and enjoyed yourself.


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[hoosierlogger]

Very well said Faahbio.

[NeverLift]

Mickey,
It was good to meet you. I installed one of the first raptor 660 piston you made back in 2001. It's still running it today.

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[Mickey Dunlap]

I saw your post yesterday Mickey and almost replied but I have zero spare time. I'm stopping what I'm doing now since you're obviously referring to me.

Firstly that's incredibly unfortunate to hear about your cat. The only person I was in touch with at home the entire 9 days I was gone was the person minding my cat. I wouldn't be able to stay in Indiana if I got the news you did. She's extremely important to me.

Secondly I'm very glad you made it and enjoyed yourself! It's just an absolutely fantastic gathering full of great people. If I might speak of my own personal opinion, this being my sixth time going I was somewhat disappointed with some bad apples that made their way into the event and I might add that I was slightly embarrassed personally as such. Never in my Trikefest experience have I seen more blatant disregard for such simple rules and I feel as though the repercussions of these events will be felt for years to come. This year was by no means a total loss, it was fantastic as always, however in the past there were no bad apples rather than just a few. It's fortunate that you were able to make it when you did. To put a really positive spin on things, having those really bad apples around put things into perspective for me. If anyone has heard "Sometimes the enemy you know is better than the one you don't", you might understand my perspective. It made other things seem very petty to me, just head butts. Again my own personal opinion, I blame Facebook. For all the years this event has gone on this is the first year it's been promoted as heavily as it was on Facebook. In turn you end up with people nobody knows that have zero accountability for their actions. Forum members know each other far before we ever meet in person and we all have a name and reputation to upkeep and there are repercussions for our actions. As such we all get along like a giant three wheeled hippie commune for the week. People from all walks of life, all there together with each other. It's like seven Christmas mornings.

At any rate I'm glad you made it and enjoyed yourself.


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I guess I didn't stay long enough to hear of anything bad going on. I didn't get out and about as much as I wanted to. But then again I had so many people (even the ones that didn't like me) coming over and talking with me I guess I met as many as possible. It was a little overwhelming in fact! Now that I know a few more personally next year should be even better.

Having said that, I don't understand how Face Book was to blame for anything. The bigger the turn outs the more bad eggs you will have. I was impressed how everyone wore helmets, Bill only yelled at two guys when he was in my pits, and he felt like the bad guy for doing so, but I thought it was pretty good all in all. I don't know what went on all night because I was sleeping with my ear plugs in, and I slept great! I was a little worried it was going to get real crazy but I didn't hear a thing.

I really enjoyed everyone, but had the best time working on peoples bikes and seeing their smiles, that was the best for me!

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey,
It was good to meet you. I installed one of the first raptor 660 piston you made back in 2001. It's still running it today.

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That's the kind of stuff I love to hear! Thank you.

[hoosierlogger]

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/180357-TF-2016-The-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly

Mickey see this thread about Facebook screwing things up. I've been for 6 years and this is the first I have heard of this much crap going on.

[86T3]

If was my 4th year and I never saw behavior like I saw this past one. People forget helmets, which I did once this year, and it's completely understandable. Someone says something, you say oh crap, sorry, and get a helmet. But to lie about it and then get aggressive like some kids did is unacceptable.

[Mickey Dunlap]

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/180357-TF-2016-The-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly

Mickey see this thread about Facebook screwing things up. I've been for 6 years and this is the first I have heard of this much crap going on.

But what makes it a FaceBook thing. It's like saying all these killings are a gun thing. No, it's a people thing. The more people that come, the more things are going to happen. And if you want me to start preaching, it a spirit problem, they are born that way, as all of us are. And it's not going to get better. But to blame FaceBook is a stretch. If you want to truth I talked to more people off FaceBook then off here, but some where on both. More people knew me because of FaceBook, so what's the problem with that. If I really looked at things that start problems, most of it would be first after dark, because that's when evil likes to do it's work, then mix drinking with that and that's when things bad happen. Does that mean every one out drinking after dark is going to cause problems so you should ban it, no, but the facts are there. It comes down to a numbers thing, did more people come because of FaceBook, yes, so the more people the more problems.

[fabiodriven]

It is not a stretch at all to blame Facebook. 14 years of Trikefest, one year with random people nobody knows from Facebook, multiple problems the first year Facebook people come. As I already explained, we all know each other on this forum and all have reputations to keep up. We all must answer to our actions. Facebook people do not know anyone and owe nobody anything. I thought I was quite clear the first time I explained it. I'll explain further later if you still don't understand.


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[Mickey Dunlap]

It is not a stretch at all to blame Facebook. 14 years of Trikefest, one year with random people nobody knows from Facebook, multiple problems the first year Facebook people come. As I already explained, we all know each other on this forum and all have reputations to keep up. We all must answer to our actions. Facebook people do not know anyone and owe nobody anything. I thought I was quite clear the first time I explained it. I'll explain further later if you still don't understand.


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Different people see it differently. Look at what happen on here, all the people getting ban, so then they would come back under a different name so they had to make it so they have to wait before they can post now. There are bad apples on here just like FaceBook, it's no different, there just bigger that's all. There are more people on FaceBook then here, why did Bill make up a FaceBook page, because there is more traffic. Personally I think the perfect weather had to do with the big turn out too! And not to sound prideful but I had people drive up just to meet me, which I though was crazy. I posted only on FaceBook that I was coming and posted a pic of my van. When I pulled in and drove around looking for Bryan Ditch every camp ground there were people waving at me! It shocked me. So to say it was FaceBook, I'm not buying it. JMO.

[Ghostv2]

Think about this though, the same people that run this site, run the 3ww Facebook page. Those same people promoted trikefest for an entire month posting and sharing new stories and photos each day. Creating the event and pushing for it to be shared to bring in new people. You can't control who you meet. Once something is on the Internet, no matter the medium, there is nothing stopping the world from seeing it. Facebook is not some evil place. The forums are not some secret society. Facebook has a pretty good privacy system. Use it how you wish and you'll have no problems. I'm not promoting Facebook. But it's not the problem.

Glad to see ya there Micky. Hopefully next year I see you putting around more. And I'll have to stop and enjoy a cold soda with you and chat more next time. I know you were dying to drill out some jets, but I didn't wanna bother you haha.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Think about this though, the same people that run this site, run the 3ww Facebook page. Those same people promoted trikefest for an entire month posting and sharing new stories and photos each day. Creating the event and pushing for it to be shared to bring in new people. You can't control who you meet. Once something is on the Internet, no matter the medium, there is nothing stopping the world from seeing it. Facebook is not some evil place. The forums are not some secret society. Facebook has a pretty good privacy system. Use it how you wish and you'll have no problems. I'm not promoting Facebook. But it's not the problem.

Glad to see ya there Micky. Hopefully next year I see you putting around more. And I'll have to stop and enjoy a cold soda with you and chat more next time. I know you were dying to drill out some jets, but I didn't wanna bother you haha.

But I was having fun helping guys like you that I knew I could get you running better, so it wasn't bothering me, it was bring joy to both of use. Don't feel oke that. If you become a pest, I'll tell you! LOL

[DohcBikes]

Mickey, unfortunately what you are basically saying (in your own, very special way) is that you like anyone, as long as they kiss your azz. It should surprise nobody here that I'm not afraid to say it.


Think about this though, the same people that run this site, run the 3ww Facebook page.

I'm not promoting Facebook. But it's not the problem.
Ghostv2, FTW.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Mickey, unfortunately what you are basically saying (in your own, very special way) is that you like anyone, as long as they kiss your azz. It should surprise nobody here that I'm not afraid to say it.


Ghostv2, FTW.

Not what I was saying at all. Don't try twisting what I say. Thank you.

[DohcBikes]

Don't try twisting what I say.Deal.

So if you think Billy made a facebook page to pander to traffic, why on earth have they all but abandoned the website, instead of trying to divert or merge the traffic through facebook to here? I'm with ghost, it's not facebook that's doing it, it's the moderation that's allowing it. There's no denying that the mods here have been far less active on the website in the last year or two. It signifies, false signal or not, that they couldn't care less whether or not people visit www.3wheelerworld.com. The forum is no doubt losing popularity due to facebook, but not in the way everyone thinks. The bad apples aren't simply choosing one or the other. They are collecting in the places where they get the most attention. Being somebody who has always admitted to being fond of attention, I feel as though my opinion on the matter is valid. Although that quality has been subsiding rapidly as of late, I can still relate. I have recently entered the stream and joined facebook, again, and have deactivated more than once, again, but have also lasted longer this time because ive seen that it allows me to be in touch with people that I otherwise couldnt easily be. I tried one 3 wheeler group and the sheer stupidity (and stupid is NOT a word you will see me use lightly) was instantly overwhelming so I'm gonna have to assume it's not much different on the 3ww page.

I'm not even sure what that all means. I'll just go back into the shadows again.
Thank you.You're welcome.

[hoosierlogger]

I think that the troubles that were caused this year were not from three wheeler world forum members. Now granted, I wasn't there the whole time. But it sounds to me like it was a younger group of people that were causing the problems. Not multi year trike fest veterans. I think what it was more than anything was a bunch of young kids on Facebook that found that there was a big "party" That they could all attend, get drunk, and ride three wheelers. That's all I'm saying. No one on here in any of the threads that I have seen have mentioned any board names or anybody's first names that were involved in any of this crap that went on this year. We are going to mess around and screw up a good thing if we don't pull our heads out of our tail pipes real soon. Maybe next year we all need to be a little bit more diligent about stopping people and saying "hey I really don't think you should be doing that", Or "hey let's quiet down a little bit." I don't really think we need to be acting like mommies and daddies to everybody, but if that's what it takes to not get us kicked out, then I think we should give it a try. No other ATV park in the country is going to let us do what we get away with doing at Haspin.

[DohcBikes]

I think that the troubles that were caused this year were not from three wheeler world forum members. Now granted, I wasn't there the whole time. But it sounds to me like it was a younger group of people that were causing the problems. Not multi year trike fest veterans. I think what it was more than anything was a bunch of young kids on Facebook that found that there was a big "party" That they could all attend, get drunk, and ride three wheelers. That's all I'm saying. No one on here in any of the threads that I have seen have mentioned any board names or anybody's first names that were involved in any of this crap that went on this year. We are going to mess around and screw up a good thing if we don't pull our heads out of our tail pipes real soon. Maybe next year we all need to be a little bit more diligent about stopping people and saying "hey I really don't think you should be doing that", Or "hey let's quiet down a little bit." I don't really think we need to be acting like mommies and daddies to everybody, but if that's what it takes to not get us kicked out, then I think we should give it a try. No other ATV park in the country is going to let us do what we get away with doing at Haspin.This brings to light something I had intended to mention but forgot. As others have eluded and downright stated, it's highly likely that these were not 3ww members. It's been said here in past years that fighting [at trikefest] would get you escorted out of the park altogether. It sounds as though that was not enforced. Also as implied and outright stated by others, it's highly unlikely that a full fledged member of the forum is going to come there and be the one that causes a scene, regardless of any exchange that may or may not have occured here. I guess my point is this, the site is the community at its best, and there used to be a LOT more interaction here. Maybe it's time for some people to look back here for inspiration in regards to how this is and was all supposed to work. It used to be a family, rowdy cousins and infighting and all.

That is all. Thanks for considering.

[El Camexican]

I think that the troubles that were caused this year were not from three wheeler world forum members. Now granted, I wasn't there the whole time. But it sounds to me like it was a younger group of people that were causing the problems. Not multi year trike fest veterans. I think what it was more than anything was a bunch of young kids on Facebook that found that there was a big "party" That they could all attend, get drunk, and ride three wheelers. That's all I'm saying. No one on here in any of the threads that I have seen have mentioned any board names or anybody's first names that were involved in any of this crap that went on this year. We are going to mess around and screw up a good thing if we don't pull our heads out of our tail pipes real soon. Maybe next year we all need to be a little bit more diligent about stopping people and saying "hey I really don't think you should be doing that", Or "hey let's quiet down a little bit." I don't really think we need to be acting like mommies and daddies to everybody, but if that's what it takes to not get us kicked out, then I think we should give it a try. No other ATV park in the country is going to let us do what we get away with doing at Haspin.

It was my first year there, but there was some late night talk on "The Hill" by the vets about how to control this. I suspect next year will include something along the lines of some responsible people being deputized by the park and given the authority to kick out the bad apples after a warning or two. It may be the only way to keep the peace. I was mortified to hear people were riding on lawns during the parade. That's the kind of crap that ends such privileges permanently and gets everyone a dirty look when they roll into town with a trike on their truck.

Saturday night was a perfect time to pack up the gear and have a few last drinks with many of the people I'd spent the week with. I decided to load the trikes before dark in advance of what I suspected was about to happen and I wasn't disappointed with my choice. I hope next year sees a few less partiers and a few more trikers.

[fabiodriven]

I want to say something here. To the best of my knowledge many of the people who are sharing their opinion on this subject are either very green to Trikefest or have never been at all. Damon I know you've never been. I like you Damon, we're definitely on the same page, but if you've never been you just don't know.

Mickey I'm guessing you have roughly 48-72 hours total experience at Trikefest. For comparison, I have roughly 912 hours at Trikefest. This situation is brand new and there are facts yet to be heard and rumors that have yet to be settled. I can assure you the problem isn't the ghosts at night and Satan isn't riding around on an 84 ATC480R. Jesus Christ was not in attendance years prior nor were there any masses held or religious ceremonies.

What is conclusively agreed upon by veterans across the board is there was a problem this year. There have been hiccups in years past, this is true, however they were arguments between people who know one another. They know to steer clear of each other and know what to expect upon happening upon each other. At the end of the day these are just quarrels, not an uncommon thing in any aspect of life. These things are discussed both privately and publicly on various forms of social media and behind closed doors, but everyone knows who's who and what the situation is. Should one party step out of line their reputation is at stake, and most if not all of us are concerned about that. You can disagree with me all you want, that's your prerogative. What I am telling you is you do not have the experience to even have a viable opinion because you have no prior experience to compare with. What your brethren are trying to tell you from thousands of hours of collective experience is that this year was in fact different, I think we can agree on that even though you have nothing to compare with. What you do not realize is that in years prior we were all friends, even the new people. There were very, very few incidences of any bad behavior whatsoever and if there was it was very simple to fix. Let's say the Mexinadian rides wide open down the driveway and across the bridge with no helmet on. Do you know what would happen to him upon his return, or even if it were found out later? The situation would be handled, hands down. We've been given the liberties we have at Haspin because of our ability to police ourselves, this is fact. You wouldn't know that but it is. There's not one other group of people that gets the treatment we used to at that park. This is because we all knew one another and were all there as one large group. Now take the same exact scenario of the Mexinadian raising hell (Christ!) and replace him with a random ill-willed person who doesn't know anyone at that event aside from the group he came with. How do you handle that? Well you start by confronting them just the same as you would your friend if he didn't know better. You very nicely explain to them the very few rules here and why they are in place, because there are some very important reasons that you don't understand just as they clearly don't. Instead of a calm reaction and kindly abiding by the rules, these people revolt and act out in a way detrimental to this entire event. I can tell you the group that was involved in four, yes four separate altercations throughout the week where they were clearly in the wrong and instigated situations such as none I've ever seen before at Trikefest. I personally witnessed two of those occasions. In one of those situations the unfavorable person involved blatantly broke rules and intentionally disrespected myself and multiple other people who were minding their own business and having fun. He ended up apologizing, but only after a lariat off the top rope to the chest bowled him off his trike like a weeble while he was at speed. He deserved what he got, hands down. Had he been allowed to get away with roosting us who knows what he would have done to top that? If he can do that, what can't he do? There are bad people out there, and this group was bad people, no question. You're not going to tell me otherwise because there's a good chance you never even met them. I can tell you I didn't know who they were, and I know a lot of the people that attend this event. I don't know everyone personally but I can most likely point and name a very large percentage of the members in attendance. Also I can tell you many of their BOARD NAMES, from this forum. These people were unknown to everyone I asked. I did not ask them their names because I was not interested in approaching them with the behavior they'd already exhibited. I'd seen enough, not people I'd like to associate with that much I know.

During the second altercation I witnessed with one of this group, the very first words out of this kid's mouth when he spoke to us were lies, his very first words. That leaves an absolutely huge and unforgettable impression on me. I never forget people who lie to me, but I will always remember those who lie to me with their very first words. That speaks volumes to me, it says everything. This was the first group I have ever seen at Trikefest with the ill will this group had.

Mickey what you're failing to understand is that you just don't understand. That's not meant to be derogatory or insulting and I figured after my first post I had said it all. You do not have the experience to have an opinion that anyone can rely on, that's just how it is. Also, when you type out a question in sentence form the appropriate punctuation at the end is a question mark.


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[Eric250R]

Religion aside, Jon makes a very valid point. It is very difficult for those of you who have never attended or this was your first year to attend to know what we're trying to convey. The entire feeling in the air was different for those who have been several times over. We can only self police for so long until things turn ugly. I have access to a very large place complete with race tracks and drag strip if it ever comes to the point of having to do an invitation only event. I certainly hope it doesn't have to.

[DohcBikes]

John I completely respect that, and I know you well enough from our interactions to have known full well that you would be posting that exact sentiment. To this degree though, I have my own versions of 'Trikefest' type things that bring a certain demographic or like minded group together for whatever reason to draw experience from, and I also have been here long enough to have been able to see the joy and comraderie that Trikefest brings to you all every year, and it's blatant that this year was different. Believe it or not, some here on the board wait intensly in anticipation of the reports and pictures from Trikefest, because regardless of having met many of you or not, we feel like we are connected and want to experience the event through you. Energy is a wonderful thing.

Peace been spoken, I will step back gracefully and continue to watch from the sidelines, as I have been for some time now.

P.S., Fabio, you pop up as a suggested friend all the time on my facebook, I'll send a request. You can choose to be or not to be, one of my 60 friends, ha. Anyone else that has the pleasure or pain of at least knowing my last name, is welcome to join the club as well. Carry on.

[fabiodriven]

That's why I like you honky!


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[fabiodriven]

Almost every bad event that transpired this year can be traced back to the same group. I could point them out by appearance but didn't know names as I already said. That's just now changed, we have names. I am firmly of the opinion this group should not be allowed back ever and if they show up they should be removed immediately. Guaranteed that's almost the entire problem right there. They were constantly up to no good.


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[atcmatt]

Name and Shame!!! ��������

[fabiodriven]

I have screen shots of them on FACEBOOK discussing the very events we are talking about right here in this thread. Names clear as day openly discussing the problems they caused and celebrating it. This will assure they won't be a problem again.

[fabiodriven]

And guess who got med-flighted... Just found that out as well. Solid proof of all of this, not unfounded claims.


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[atcmatt]

I seriously think you should name and shame these half wits!

[ironchop]

Were they ATC ANIMALS! ?

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[Mosh]

Shades of 2007 popping up here. We had a moderator try to curb problems at the event. He was scorned for doing it, and contained and restrained from banning the offending members from the forum when the event was over. Had the foot been put down in 07, maybe it would have presented itself as an event that has a zero toleration...Look it up there is a 10 page thread on the after hours antics that forever changed this forum, Haspin, and peoples involvement with TF.

I dont wanna here this horseshit if you weren't there, you dont know. I have been there 3 times, donated trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro multiple years and was a helper and planner for it. Still on the planning comittee, but have no participation in it, cuz I was told to stfu by another staffer when he was crying for help from another asshole pestering him at the event, and I told him the guy should have been booted years ago..He got pissed because I told him he had to deal with his own bad apple..When the guy realizes that he is NOT responsible for OTHERS actions, but IS responsible for dealing with negative actions after the fact, maybe he will understand...This is not an attack on the guy personally, it is a statement of what being a leader is all about. And yes you will take trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro for it..no matter what you do, but you have to do the right thing, that keeps the right people around you, instead of telling them to go fvck off...

Someone wanted the Sturgis of Threewheeling .......by not taking action against bad people, not standing behind people that were willing to take on the negatives, and pushing away responsible people, and almost promoting shenanigans, they got it...The Sturgis of 3 wheeling.

I also keep seeing, "best year ever and biggest turnout ever" comments. Still no evidence or pics that support these claims. 06 through 10 were huge years with 07 group picture filling the whole pavailion area with I believe almost 400 trikes.
This is not politics or advertising...If the events have been bigger then I apologize, but if these claims are propaganda or inflated to look better and bigger than it is and try to get more to come, maybe it is time to actually positively promote the event, and challenge people to break attendance records from BITD with 06 being the model for the way an event should be hosted. I was there during some of the great years, and I have seen and heard of the later years...

I personally dont expect everybody to act like a saint at an event like that, but when people stepped up to curb some bad stuff in 07 others should have backed them up, both at the event and after the event here on the forum. But instead, when they left those people out in the cold, it leaves the event and forum open to future problems, like you all saw last week. Nothing to do with FB...it has everything to do with setting examples and strong leadership.

We do not go back. Not cuz a few guys have some beer or set off fireworks at night, but primarily due to lack of leadership and respect for what that event was meant to be, and used to be, and the people that helped make it that way. Bigger aint always better. Mater fact, everything good I have ever seen actually gets worse the bigger it gets.

[Mickey Dunlap]

:cool:Well I had a great time no matter what, and I'm going back!:w00t:

[Mickey Dunlap]

Oh, and one last thing, Jesus was there, and will always be there.

John 3:19


“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil



John 3:19 Context


16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. 22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized

[fabiodriven]

Mosh I couldn't even finish your post man. You are, and always have been, a salty muffin from the beginning of my time on this forum. You haven't the slightest idea what transpired this year and for frig's sake, for your own health, and for the benefit of us all, move the frig on man. My god! (Or Mickey's I guess) I'm still looking forward to meeting you someday but your relevance to this past Trikefest is about as relevant as I am to a body building competition.


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[Ghostv2]

I also keep seeing, "best year ever and biggest turnout ever" comments. Still no evidence or pics that support these claims. 06 through 10 were huge years with 07 group picture filling the whole pavailion area with I believe almost 400 trikes.
This is not politics or advertising...If the events have been bigger then I apologize, but if these claims are propaganda or inflated to look better and bigger than it is and try to get more to come, maybe it is time to actually positively promote the event, and challenge people to break attendance records adership.

So you think there is some sort of 3ww conspiracy theory where we advertise how big and great it is in hopes of it turning out but and great? How many people attended 15 years ago? How many people attended this year? I would bet money if you put it on a graph it would show a steady increase, and theoretically speaking, it should continue at that rate. Numbers in a book mean nothing. You CHOOSE to sign your name in a book. So even if you choose to, your wife, friends, children, and everyone else in the car isn't signing in. So you can't go by a book. It's a matter of observation by SHOWING UP.

So let's move on to the group photo then, how can you go by that? I wasn't in it this year, I suspect I was still in bed. I couldn't even tell you what day it was taken. Last year I was in it, I can show you where I should be, but some idiot decided last minute to jump in front of me (standing, not even sitting down on a trike) and blocked me from even being seen. I know lots of people miss it.

Count trikes in the parade, last year half my camp missed it. My girlfriend napping being one of those. This year it was advertised by a note on a paper plate in front of howdys camp and word of mouth from there.

Point in case, show up and you'd find out for yourself instead of being an armchair racer. I know I may not have much room to talk so I'm sure I'll hear about that at some point lol.

[fabiodriven]

Oh and yes Mickey, you are correct. For those who are religious Jesus actually was there I suppose.


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[Mickey Dunlap]

Mosh I couldn't even finish your post man. You are, and always have been, a salty muffin from the beginning of my time on this forum. You haven't the slightest idea what transpired this year and for frig's sake, for your own health, and for the benefit of us all, move the frig on man. My god! (Or Mickey's I guess) I'm still looking forward to meeting you someday but your relevance to this past Trikefest is about as relevant as I am to a body building competition.


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I didn't say I have any clue what has happen in the past, I stated the fact I had a great time and it was better then I thought. But then again I stayed away from the late night activities. I didn't see any crazy things happen during the day. everyone I met were good people, even the ones drinking seam good to me. I was always drinking at events and getting totally out of control 30 years ago, I was right in there with the best of them thinking I was having a good time, until I got wise 30 years ago. Those that still have fun doing that, more power to them, but I'll bet I felt better the Sat morning then they did. LOL

[Mickey Dunlap]

Oh and yes Mickey, you are correct. For those who are religious Jesus actually was there I suppose.


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I'm not religious in any way, never have been. I'm just a simple follower of Jesus because he changed me from darkness into light, and the truth set me free! So much better then the walking in darkness!

[fabiodriven]

Shades of 2007 popping up here. We had a moderator try to curb problems at the event. He was scorned for doing it, and contained and restrained from banning the offending members from the forum when the event was over. Had the foot been put down in 07, maybe it would have presented itself as an event that has a zero toleration...Look it up there is a 10 page thread on the after hours antics that forever changed this forum, Haspin, and peoples involvement with TF.

I dont wanna here this horseshit if you weren't there, you dont know. I have been there 3 times, donated trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro multiple years and was a helper and planner for it. Still on the planning comittee, but have no participation in it, cuz I was told to stfu by another staffer when he was crying for help from another asshole pestering him at the event, and I told him the guy should have been booted years ago..He got pissed because I told him he had to deal with his own bad apple..When the guy realizes that he is NOT responsible for OTHERS actions, but IS responsible for dealing with negative actions after the fact, maybe he will understand...This is not an attack on the guy personally, it is a statement of what being a leader is all about. And yes you will take trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro for it..no matter what you do, but you have to do the right thing, that keeps the right people around you, instead of telling them to go fvck off...

Someone wanted the Sturgis of Threewheeling .......by not taking action against bad people, not standing behind people that were willing to take on the negatives, and pushing away responsible people, and almost promoting shenanigans, they got it...The Sturgis of 3 wheeling.

I also keep seeing, "best year ever and biggest turnout ever" comments. Still no evidence or pics that support these claims. 06 through 10 were huge years with 07 group picture filling the whole pavailion area with I believe almost 400 trikes.
This is not politics or advertising...If the events have been bigger then I apologize, but if these claims are propaganda or inflated to look better and bigger than it is and try to get more to come, maybe it is time to actually positively promote the event, and challenge people to break attendance records from BITD with 06 being the model for the way an event should be hosted. I was there during some of the great years, and I have seen and heard of the later years...

I personally dont expect everybody to act like a saint at an event like that, but when people stepped up to curb some bad stuff in 07 others should have backed them up, both at the event and after the event here on the forum. But instead, when they left those people out in the cold, it leaves the event and forum open to future problems, like you all saw last week. Nothing to do with FB...it has everything to do with setting examples and strong leadership.

We do not go back. Not cuz a few guys have some beer or set off fireworks at night, but primarily due to lack of leadership and respect for what that event was meant to be, and used to be, and the people that helped make it that way. Bigger aint always better. Mater fact, everything good I have ever seen actually gets worse the bigger it gets.

I had to come back to this to read the whole thing. Wow Rob! I was going to say you're a bit off base but that would be a tremendous understatement on my part I believe. I don't even know where to begin, I'm not going to bother quoting things one by one, there are too many! A conspiracy about fluffing numbers? You honestly believe that? Haha!

Rob I don't like name calling so feel free to return the favor I guess or something, but you sound like a tremendous stick in the mud pal, lol. I've never heard anyone once tell me they miss Mosh coming to Trikefest. I mean there was a problem this year but it's pretty much one group of people who myself and my fellow forum member (more him really) have traced literally just about every problem that occurred back to, just one group. Possibly two but we're working on it. Between what everyone witnessed and the evidence we have (which is in hand) we know exactly who these people are. This has absolutely nothing to do with Trikefest 07 and how grumpy you usually are. If Trikefest doesn't like you and you don't like Trikefest oh well my friend. Trikefest has gotten over it, maybe you should as well.


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[Mosh]

I will go ahead and reply one more time here, and address a few comments since the noose is swinging here at me and hopefully bring some closure to my negative impact here.

First off, I never said there was a conspiracy theory to bolster attendance numbers for the event. I said judging by what I have seen, the event yet has to top the attendance numbers set back before 2010, and plainly stated if I was wrong I apologize. It is amazing how people read right over a preempted apology and swing the axe.

Ghost2v, I can assure you I am anything but a armchair racer. I have numerous 3 dollar chest pounding trophies to prove that, but I will not even waste my time with it as it will not make a difference in this topic. However, I would invite you to be more respectful or cautious by using a term,(armchair racer) that was coined by one of the primary founders, admins, and builder and leader of trike racing resurgence, this forum and TF who was banned from this forum for his efforts to protect this forum and TF from being taken over by disrespectful people. (Tim Sr.) Especially when it pertains to a guy who has verifiable racing experience such as myself.

Fabio, there was time on this forum when you were not widely accepted, and I specifically remember my wife and I coaxing you to keep your chin up and push through until the dust settled years back, when you were thinking of leaving here. I thought we had established a decent relationship from that point on, and I find it disappointing, that you now how have become an aggressor towards me. However, I cant help but suspect that you may be being nudged by outside forces.
We used to be pretty welcomed around here, looked up to even. 1 stint as a moderator really ruined that. If you are doing any type of moderating, it creates enemies. It is just the nature of the beast. I realize I made many mistakes during that time. I also understand that my inability to let some things go, poisons this place at times, and for that I owe apologies for my actions to many innocent bystanders. In that same breath, I will also say that there are a few people that still to this day make those feelings resurface, as they choose to just not address the issues and be man enough to likewise admit mistakes.

My perseverance to gain that closure has fallen on deaf ears for people that are cold and calculated and have no desire to right any wrongs or mend any fences. The only craziness that you refer to me as being or having, is me expecting them to man up and make corrections or bring peaceful resolve to the situations. I am a fool for thinking they have the moral fortitude to not even look in the rear view mirror as I am left behind. I can only speculate at this point that this website needs a new warrior bulldog. Judging by your chest pounding here and the other thread fabio, you are next at bat. I will warn you to take the offer up with extreme reserve, lest you become as salty as I in the end, when you too are of no more use. You will not be the last one to be "used". And that advice is free.

Your comments about us not being missed at TF are both unfounded, and hurtful." Trikefest has gotten over me" oh come on... Let me tell you something. An event is only as successful as the people that attend it. Maybe we are not missed, as once you are not in the picture anymore, it is easy to be long forgotten. I Can assure you though, that every year, we get phone calls from people on this forum and off this forum asking us if we are going back year after year, and our response is always the same. "Not until things change and we feel welcomed." I can also assure you that if you go ask how many people miss Tim sr, and others that no longer go, due to what happened in 07, you will find many will say they do miss Tim, both there at TF and on the forum. And the irony of that, was the lame excuse used to Ban Tim for suggesting the event be moved to an alcohol free environment. We all know he was not banned for that, but for his relentless voice of displeasure about how he was treated by the people in charge of this forum, which more than likely will be my demise probably sooner than later.

I would not be surprised if you are the tool used to drive that final nail in my coffin, judging by your recent shift in mentality towards me now.

I also find it extremely disappointing That swinehart has the audacity to thank your post berating mine, in defense of his alleged good friend Tim sr. My first initial post was all about some bad apples in 07 prompting some problems that really created a negative affect on this forum for ever after resulting in the loss of some great people Including john's dear friend Tim sr. So no matter how much you claim it is of no relevance, I can assure you that it is very similar, and history has repeated itself. I would invite you to read the "what could have been better about trikefest 2007" thread to gain some perspective, though I doubt you will. history is never relevant right?

I do not know what happened with Jon's Swineharts outlook towards (us) to prompt such actions, but I do know it goes back to 2013 when I was involved with the Tri-Z. While he may be taking pleasure in seeing me berated, by you and others, it is disrespectful to his friend Tim, to thank you for ripping me a new one by voicing my discourse of Tim Sr being ran out of the event and forum he helped Build when all the "troops ran back to the fort" and left him in the firing squad.

Now I have seen some great riding areas taken over by disrespectful fools, that have ruined this sport. I do not understand why people can not just have a good time without going overboard but realistically it is something that expecting you guys, me, tim sr, billy or whoever to do is unfair. Haspin should do a better job with security. I am surprised you get that element with a entry fee. That usually keeps undesirables out. Maybe it is time you should look at leasing the park for that weekend and start a invitation or RSVP type thing. Just some ideas.

Lastly glamy...Look I said it a few weeks ago. You are just a different guy that has disdain for me and crouch like a wolf spider in a wood pile waiting to lash out and pounce whenever I walk by.. I get it, you are against my opinions, any authority, and me calling for it. Leadership probably is not the word that is needed, however there has to be consequences for certain things that transpire no matter what. For every action there is a reaction. You can dislike authority all you want, but what goes up, must come down, and give and take will always be finite even in a world ruled by anarchy. There are just certain laws/rules you will never be able to circumvent.

The vicious circle is complete. We have 2 bulldogs calling out a former bulldog.. Glamy, Fabio, and myself.. It is real productive.:crazy:

I understand my time here as being welcomed has completely run it's course. I have to admit it, embrace it and live with it. Maybe there will be a time again when the majority opinion is changed, but until then I digress and will take whatever actions or bullets are thrown at me and try to stay away from anything dramatic while making a real effort to try to just stay away from here, until I see fit to make a more positive reentry while being welcomed to do so.. Quite honestly I really don't have time for it anymore, it is not healthy to me or most of you. So hopefully you will all benefit from that with me no longer being around if that is the outcome, and be kind enough to not throw darts at my back on my way out, whether it be on my own retreat or by someone else's hands.

[fabiodriven]

Mosh I call em as I see em. Your post was a b!tchfest and we've got some big fish to fry here. Just as I said, you sounded like a stick in the mud. I might also assume you're a drag because of the harsh moderation you used to dole out to me, although it was likely warranted more often than not. Trikefest is a festival. There will be people drinking and smoking and pushing the limits. Some go further than I would personally and it's at that point that I go find something else to do and keep my fingers crossed nobody gets hurt. People are there to cut loose, not be policed.

I wasn't in attendance in 07 so I can't speak to that. You weren't in attendance in 16 so...

What I can say is that the lack of support by this community is appalling to me. I jumped when you just compared me to you Mosh, because I was getting that very same feeling last night. Here I stand, almost by myself, with everything anyone would need to know about who the problem is, where they came from, and public confessions and descriptions of the exact scenarios we're discussing. There is no question at all, it's all in black and white, yet my community would rather kowtow to a delusional egotistical Jesus freak for reasons I fail to see. The gloves are off at this point and I will lead by example for you Mosh, and I will show you how to turn your back and move on. The information I have to save this event I'm sure will be shared by someone at some point, but it will not be shared by me until I see the support we need. It's despicable to see you all sit idly by while some warlock tells you tales of goblins and ghosts. Maybe he has an amulet or something that can fix this for you all.

Thanks to Tim for standing up. For the rest of you staying seated good luck. If this isn't fixed very soon I will walk from each and every one of you. That's not a threat as if you're going to lose out because of my absence, it's because I'd rather not be associated with a group of such spineless people.

Save the MANY texts and private messages, if any of you have anything to say these threads are the forum in which to speak.


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[clmeue37]

In response to the original poster of this particular thread, I'm glad you were able to make it this year and that you had a good time. I wish I had made it a point to stop in for a bit and visit. I'm also sorry about the loss of your cat.

Fabio I'm also behind you 100%. I hardly know you other than a few chance meetings the past couple years at trikefest but if there's anything, other than my support, that I can do to help, please let me know. I and many others will stand behind the decisions that need to be made to ensure that we can enjoy this event for many years to come.

[El Camexican]

I really wanted to stay out of this “sh*tfest” for two reasons:

1. It sucks to meet people at TF that you fought with online
2. I have only been to one Trikefest and know nothing of its past events

However, neither of the above seems to be enough to hold me back, so here goes… Even though it was my first year I DO KNOW what TF is supposed to be like, because I was there from Saturday to Thursday when it was PERFECT. I also know that the higher the collective size of a group of people the lower the collective IQ becomes. There were a lot of people there come the weekend and the IQ plummeted accordingly. Did it ruin my trip? No, in fact the only thing that bothered me was hearing that peoples lawns were driven over. That is the most ignorant thing I could have ever imagined happening. As far as the river goes, if someone wants to stand up to Joe on the beach I wish them all the best and will send flowers to their parents as needed.

Fabio, the reason few are jumping into this spat is because there’s no point to it, Mickey just wants to argue. Its blatantly obvious that the kids that acted out of line were drawn in by Facebook and not this site. All Mickey wants to do is argue that Facebook isn’t to blame because it’s the one place he’s still revered to be something more than someone who now pits next to the shitters at events. This is the same guy that wanted nothing to do with the site a few years back. Interacting with him is just feeding his ego. Ignore him and focus your attention on the fix to the issue of these young zipper heads. He’s just sucking this all up much like Barnett used too.

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[Mickey Dunlap]

I really wanted to stay out of this “sh*tfest” for two reasons:

1. It sucks to meet people at TF that you fought with online
2. I have only been to one Trikefest and know nothing of its past events

However, neither of the above seems to be enough to hold me back, so here goes… Even though it was my first year I DO KNOW what TF is supposed to be like, because I was there from Saturday to Thursday when it was PERFECT. I also know that the higher the collective size of a group of people the lower the collective IQ becomes. There were a lot of people there come the weekend and the IQ plummeted accordingly. Did it ruin my trip? No, in fact the only thing that bothered me was hearing that peoples lawns were driven over. That is the most ignorant thing I could have ever imagined happening. As far as the river goes, if someone wants to stand up to Joe on the beach I wish them all the best and will send flowers to their parents as needed.

Fabio, the reason few are jumping into this spat is because there’s no point to it, Mickey just wants to argue. Its blatantly obvious that the kids that acted out of line were drawn in by Facebook and not this site. All Mickey wants to do is argue that Facebook isn’t to blame because it’s the one place he’s still revered to be something more than someone who now pits next to the shitters at events. This is the same guy that wanted nothing to do with the site a few years back. Interacting with him is just feeding his ego. Ignore him and focus your attention on the fix to the issue of these young zipper heads. He’s just sucking this all up much like Barnett used too.

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There have been two people that try to give it to me on line, both at Breezewood and Trikefest they both were man enough to come up to me and say hi, you walked out and away from me. What type of person does that. Shame on you.

[fabiodriven]

The type of person that's not interested in talking to you. It's his choice.


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[Mickey Dunlap]

The type of person that's not interested in talking to you. It's his choice.


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Petty in my book. If I knew where both of you were I would have came to your pit and said hi. That's the difference.

[hublake]

I have never been to Trikefest and probably never will do to my age and the fact that I don't like to drive long distances. I wish I had been to one just to see everything. I read all the post about TF, never meeting any of the authors. I find reading this stuff is more interesting than to go all that distance. Unfortunately all good things sometimes come to an end and the way it sounds from the posts that is where TF is heading. It doesn't matter how big a group is sooner or later the people that organize this will say to &^%$ with all the BS and let someone else take over. I have seen many festivals, local activities and such go away because there is always a small group complaining about something and the current leadership says good by and you do it and nobody steps forward.

[fabiodriven]

It will be fine Hublake, I can assure you.


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[DohcBikes]

There's a lot of passion evident in this thread and in this community as a whole. And lots of Alphas. It's bound to be an intense discussion. Nobody here should leave. You should all visit the forum more often.

[fabiodriven]

Petty in my book. If I knew where both of you were I would have came to your pit and said hi. That's the difference.

I'm flattered, lucky, and grateful to be pitted next to Howdy and Swinehart. Just the best people who could be your neighbors. I saw you talking to Swinehart at his camp while I was 40 feet away in my camp. Being an internet loudmouth, I had a lot of people to confront my first Trikefest in 2011. Every single person I've met through the site was fantastic right off the bat. Some held back with me at first after only knowing my internet persona, but it didn't take long for people to find out who I really am. Your cheerleader Madman was so impressed by your lending a hand to someone. To both you Mickey and Madman I say, who cares? I have housed probably close to a dozen different people over the years. There is always at least two other people staying under my roof which affords them tools, a garage, a fridge and freezer, a full kitchen, a shittter, a shower, hot water, beds etc... I have lent out entire machines and I was even picked to run other members' drag bikes not just once but TWICE! (Shout out to Andy and Shannon!) What both you and your cronie are failing to understand is that you did not go above and beyond, you were doing what we do. You were a part of the community. Is it extra special when you lend a hand because you're a J-list celebrity? Is it a big deal to you because you're helping us "little people"?

I saw you sitting right next to my camp talking to my friends and I thought back to 2011 and how many people I had to meet in person for the first time. After meeting very few of them I figured out I had nothing to worry about. That's an aspect I've dealt with plenty, so I'm never afraid to meet new members. I sat there looking at you and thought about it for a long time but I just was not at all interested in associating with you one iota. I'm very glad that's the conclusion I came to in retrospect. You are a mixed up person. I stand for truth and honesty above all with the betterment of everyone in every action I take. No I'm not religious but that doesn't automatically make me a bad person. I am a do-gooder to a degree that you would never understand. A narcissist such as yourself could never have the compassion for other people with the amount of concern you have for yourself. Anyone who knows me can tell you how true blue I am and you'd be lucky if you're ever entitled enough to find out. I do things every day that nobody aside from myself will ever hear about, and most laugh at me if they do hear. You sir, have a warped sense of the greater good.

On my way to Trikefest only less than five miles into my trip I happened upon a snapping turtle attempting to cross a busy road. My truck and trailer combination is very large. 12 wheels, five axles, and approximately 22,000 lbs. At 40 mph I gave the brakes everything they had with many of my belongings in tow, a huge portion of my life as a whole. I avoided the hapless turtle and brought the entire unit to a stop as multiple cars sped past who couldn't be bothered. By the time I had stopped I was 1/4 mile down the road and had to sprint back before any of the careless drivers drove over the turtle. As I carried it off the road another car had finally turned around to do something but I had gotten there first. They were pleased I was doing what I was doing and they cheered and called me a "turtle saver", a term I will never forget. They had no idea how accurate they were with that name because I do that a lot, even in the tractor trailer at work.

My point is, that's two minutes of one day of my 36 years, but that's the type of stuff I regularly do. If I would bring a huge portion of my life to a screeching halt on my way to an event my year revolves around, if I would delay Trikefest for a turtle I've never met before, what do you suspect I might do for those I know and like?

It would be an honor for you to meet me, but that's an honor you've not yet earned, not by a long shot.


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[Madman Racing]

And it hasn't taken me very long to figure out what kind of asshole, "oh did I say that"? Sorry "person " you are Fabio.And I don't need to make the trip to trikefest to figure that out.��. You poke fun as Mickey for preaching his word of God. The only God I see here is you thinking you are some kind of "Trike God" of course there alot here on this site.

[Madman Racing]

Win numerous races ,and Championships, Race for Team Honda,and Have your picture plastered in numerous Articles and Race coverages for over 30 years and yes. It might be an honor to meet you too "Fabio" so maybe I am a "cheerleader" . But I give respect where it is due. Maybe if you were a little older you might understand .but I highly doubt you were around for the original 3 wheeler days...

[fabiodriven]

And it hasn't taken me very long to figure out what kind of asshole, "oh did I say that"? Sorry "person " you are Fabio.And I don't need to make the trip to trikefest to figure that out.��. You poke fun as Mickey for preaching his word of God. The only God I see here is you thinking you are some kind of "Trike God" of course there alot here on this site.

Your words Madman, show clearly how well you know me. The community has spoken. It's unfortunate for you the outcome you were hoping for didn't end up coming to fruition, however just because it's not the outcome you wanted it doesn't mean that it's not the right outcome. If your concern were for the greater good of preserving something so precious, then you would see that our community is standing by me and you might explore the option of what is the best for us and our event rather than promoting whatever you feel our event should be through your virtual picture of what it is. Your friend is out of line. It's well known but few have the balls to speak their minds. Some have come through though, enough that you might take note.

Calling me an asshole and assuming I apologize for my words speaks more to your own agenda and thought process than it does anything to me. You must realize that these people with whom you are corresponding all know me personally. Again you don't have to take my word on who I am, they can tell you. I very rarely apologize for anything. If I mess something up, if I'm out of line by all means I will apologize. I am a very humble person. I learned a while back however, to never apologize unless you've done something wrong and unless you really mean it. Learning that changed my life significantly. Something as innocent as "I'm sorry but Honda is just better than Yamaha" I will not say. Saying "I'm sorry" in any form unless truly apologizing puts a person in a position of subservience. I have known that for a long time so I will not be apologizing unless I've done wrong. I own every word I type. You don't know me so you don't know that. Upon my arrival at Trikefest I hug a lot of people, not apologize. Yourself and your compadre do not know me and you know nothing of Trikefest. Mickey knows very little.

If me speaking in a serious manner has you feeling as though you're being talked down to then don't involve yourself. This is a very serious situation, far more serious than you two know. There is no place for joking here and I am taking an authoritative tone, yes. I am working. I am doing this for the betterment of our community and you should be thankful. Your lack of support is recognized and noted and unlike Mickey you could still meet me in person if you were so inclined. I'll accept your apology then and if you're lucky I'll sneak you into the tubing group at Trikefest, just don't tell anyone because the logistics of that event are tough with even just a small group.

Neither yourself or your friend have the right to comment on an event and a person you know next to nothing about and you're free to continue doing so in order to portray what it is you're really interested in. My agenda here has been clear from the beginning; to solve the problem at hand. You know who wants to do this? Nobody. Not one of us wants to be dealing with this right now but I am doing it. There are others working on it as well, there are many of us. Neither you nor your friend will stop us from righting these wrongs at our event. It is our event to take care of and make sure it thrives and if that makes me an asshole in your eyes so be it. Your friend has misguided you and is attempting to steer something he doesn't even understand all for the sake of disagreeing with me. Have you not read the other members' posts asking him to back off? The man is here to stir the pot and that's it. WE are working here. The audacity you have to come on this forum and speak to something you've never even attended, big brass ones on ya eh?

Yourself and your friend can work against me all you want. The harder you two push the clearer it gets to the rest of the members working on this that you two are not helping this situation so again by all means.... Try and slow us down from having Trikefest the way it's supposed to be and see how that works for you.

[fabiodriven]

I'm 36 years old, been on trikes for probably close to thirty years. Nobody asked you about your credentials. They have nothing to do with Trikefest. This is our gathering and we liked it how it was. You can help it along or you can stay out of the way.

[Madman Racing]

I hope you can ride and build your own trikes as well as you preach your almighty Ness on this website.

[fabiodriven]

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[Mickey Dunlap]

I'm flattered, lucky, and grateful to be pitted next to Howdy and Swinehart. Just the best people who could be your neighbors. I saw you talking to Swinehart at his camp while I was 40 feet away in my camp. Being an internet loudmouth, I had a lot of people to confront my first Trikefest in 2011. Every single person I've met through the site was fantastic right off the bat. Some held back with me at first after only knowing my internet persona, but it didn't take long for people to find out who I really am. Your cheerleader Madman was so impressed by your lending a hand to someone. To both you Mickey and Madman I say, who cares? I have housed probably close to a dozen different people over the years. There is always at least two other people staying under my roof which affords them tools, a garage, a fridge and freezer, a full kitchen, a shittter, a shower, hot water, beds etc... I have lent out entire machines and I was even picked to run other members' drag bikes not just once but TWICE! (Shout out to Andy and Shannon!) What both you and your cronie are failing to understand is that you did not go above and beyond, you were doing what we do. You were a part of the community. Is it extra special when you lend a hand because you're a J-list celebrity? Is it a big deal to you because you're helping us "little people"?

I saw you sitting right next to my camp talking to my friends and I thought back to 2011 and how many people I had to meet in person for the first time. After meeting very few of them I figured out I had nothing to worry about. That's an aspect I've dealt with plenty, so I'm never afraid to meet new members. I sat there looking at you and thought about it for a long time but I just was not at all interested in associating with you one iota. I'm very glad that's the conclusion I came to in retrospect. You are a mixed up person. I stand for truth and honesty above all with the betterment of everyone in every action I take. No I'm not religious but that doesn't automatically make me a bad person. I am a do-gooder to a degree that you would never understand. A narcissist such as yourself could never have the compassion for other people with the amount of concern you have for yourself. Anyone who knows me can tell you how true blue I am and you'd be lucky if you're ever entitled enough to find out. I do things every day that nobody aside from myself will ever hear about, and most laugh at me if they do hear. You sir, have a warped sense of the greater good.

On my way to Trikefest only less than five miles into my trip I happened upon a snapping turtle attempting to cross a busy road. My truck and trailer combination is very large. 12 wheels, five axles, and approximately 22,000 lbs. At 40 mph I gave the brakes everything they had with many of my belongings in tow, a huge portion of my life as a whole. I avoided the hapless turtle and brought the entire unit to a stop as multiple cars sped past who couldn't be bothered. By the time I had stopped I was 1/4 mile down the road and had to sprint back before any of the careless drivers drove over the turtle. As I carried it off the road another car had finally turned around to do something but I had gotten there first. They were pleased I was doing what I was doing and they cheered and called me a "turtle saver", a term I will never forget. They had no idea how accurate they were with that name because I do that a lot, even in the tractor trailer at work.

My point is, that's two minutes of one day of my 36 years, but that's the type of stuff I regularly do. If I would bring a huge portion of my life to a screeching halt on my way to an event my year revolves around, if I would delay Trikefest for a turtle I've never met before, what do you suspect I might do for those I know and like?

It would be an honor for you to meet me, but that's an honor you've not yet earned, not by a long shot.


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When I read your ramblings I see a lot of I I I I's, you think you are a god, you couldn't humble your self to come over and say hi! You were skeered, lol of Mickey, that's what it was. You talk about what a great person you are, I don't do that, I talk about how great Jesus is and what he did on the cross. He died for our sins, and I know I needed that. You don't think you need forgiveness, you think you are a good person, I know I'm not, but if there be any good in me, it's Christ and Christ alone. Good people don't go to heaven because they are good, and bad people don't go to hell because they are bad, people go to heaven for one reason and one reason only, they trusted Christ's work on the cross for the forgiveness of their sins, and all have sinned, even you fabiodriven! You can fight against it, not believe it, and mock God all day, but it won't change anything at the judgment seat. Doesn't matter if you believe it or not, it's not even a question, it will happen! That's your only problem with me, I stand up for Jesus, you don't hear anything I else I say. I said this wasn't a FaceBook problem, it's a human problem. Did anyone disagree with that, I don't think so. Breezewood and the OH. national are all over FaceBook, nothing but good stuff talked about those events, but they are a lot smaller. Never the less they are promoted all over FaceBook. Maybe it has something to do with them being racers and they go to bed early and don't drink as much? If you read back through everything I wrote and took out Jesus you would agree, more people, more problems, but you missed that because I said something about Jesus. I said it's not about FaceBook, it's about people, isn't this all true, a few out of hand people caused this. Just get honest with your self, you don't like me because I'm salt to your wound, just try and let it heal that. Not coming up to me speaks of the real you, you are not the god of this forum, nor of Trike Fest.

PS, You have some nice builds!:)

[DohcBikes]

You talk about what a great person you are, I don't do that
Haha, you're full of shlt Mickey. You once blatantly exclaimed that you were the most important person on this entire website. You still talk about how awesome you are all the time so stop lying.

[hublake]

Again not knowing anybody on this site except a couple of members, it appears from the posts that there might be a lot of riffraff on this site itself.

[DohcBikes]

When I read your ramblings I see a lot of I I I I's,......You talk about what a great person you are, I don't do thatFrom your first post in this self serving thread:


Trike Fest was more fun then I have had in a long time, the people were amazing, loaning me a Big Red 250 to get around on, thanks Gary! Meeting in person so many of my Face Book freinds. [I]Had the most fun working Friday about 10 hours on countless 3 wheelers, helping make their bikes run better and seeing their happy faces after we got the running better was the best time. Watching Bryan Ditch win the MX by half a lap on his new 200x engine and winning his class in the drag race with it too. Then today I got some me time and sat in my van and watched 2 hours of Motor Cycle MX Nations with my new Direct TV system in the nice air condition van, doesn't get any better then that, I love my new van!


So my apologies to those I didn't get around to meet.

And, to top it all off, a picture of you, holding a picture of yourself.

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[Mickey Dunlap]

From your first post in this self serving thread:



And, to top it all off, a picture of you, holding a picture of yourself.

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There are 3 or 4 guys on here that can't handle me, the main reason is of my relationship with Jesus. But at trike fest I had a lot of people that liked that I came, so I'll be back, and I'll bring more FaceBook friends with me. LOL

Jeff Turner, Anthony Allison, Bryan Ditch, Johnathan Lorence, Larry T.Moore, James K Smith, Rich Kirk, Sheldon K Crummey, Kevin Harry, John Barnfeild, Brian David Dean, Josh Crune, Jim Stefanski, Ted Johnson and many more! These are just a few I had a great time with, hope to meet more next year.



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[El Camexican]

There have been two people that try to give it to me on line, both at Breezewood and Trikefest they both were man enough to come up to me and say hi, you walked out and away from me. What type of person does that. Shame on you.

:lol: You make it sound like you extended your arm to me and I walked away from it. :lol:

My recollection of the event is that you came up from behind me while I was seated at a table, sat down and began to converse with others that were there. You didn't say "hello", "excuse me", look me in the eye and nod, or do any of the other things most people would have done in that situation, but don't feel bad, TF isn't exactly a black tie affair. It took me a minute to figure out who you were and confirm it, but by then you were engaged in a conversation with someone else and I would have had to interrupt to say hello.

I don't recall if I had to relive myself, or check my tire pressure, but I don't recall getting up and leaving just because you were there. However, your arrival etiquette made it easy to get up, slap my friend on the back and move on to the task at hand without going out of my way to excuse myself in any other fashion.

Perhaps you're accustomed to people recognizing you and approaching you and that's how you generally meet them. If that's the case so be it, but don't take it as a snub because I didn't ask you for an autograph. In the end I would say we both acted a little inappropriately to the third parties at the table. Maybe next time.

As far as the Christian bantering's you and other are engaged in I would implore you to respect the beliefs of others. In turn I'm sure they will respect yours. You're not the only Christian on this site, but you're the only one making an ass of yourself over it. Everyone has their own beliefs and the good sense to know that TF isn't a Bible retreat and this isn't a gospels site.

Have a blessed day.

[Mickey Dunlap]

:lol: You make it sound like you extended your arm to me and I walked away from it. :lol:

My recollection of the event is that you came up from behind me while I was seated at a table, sat down and began to converse with others that were there. You didn't say "hello", "excuse me", look me in the eye and nod, or do any of the other things most people would have done in that situation, but don't feel bad, TF isn't exactly a black tie affair. It took me a minute to figure out who you were and confirm it, but by then you were engaged in a conversation with someone else and I would have had to interrupt to say hello.

I don't recall if I had to relive myself, or check my tire pressure, but I don't recall getting up and leaving just because you were there. However, your arrival etiquette made it easy to get up, slap my friend on the back and move on to the task at hand without going out of my way to excuse myself in any other fashion.

Perhaps you're accustomed to people recognizing you and approaching you and that's how you generally meet them. If that's the case so be it, but don't take it as a snub because I didn't ask you for an autograph. In the end I would say we both acted a little inappropriately to the third parties at the table. Maybe next time.

As far as the Christian bantering's you and other are engaged in I would implore you to respect the beliefs of others. In turn I'm sure they will respect yours. You're not the only Christian on this site, but you're the only one making an ass of yourself over it. Everyone has their own beliefs and the good sense to know that TF isn't a Bible retreat and this isn't a gospels site.

Have a blessed day.


I didn't even remember sitting at a table with you, didn't know who you were. I seen you walk by my pit and look at me, then I seen you back with something printed on it and thought it might be you but didn't know for sure because I didn't know you were there. Now that I found out it was you I thought that was petty, you were not man enough to come over? I would have greeted you with a big smile just like anyone else. I have nothing against any of you 3 or 4 guys, I just think you get the wrong impression of me or maybe you just don't like me, but that wouldn't stop me from saying hi to any 3 wheel lover.

Now that I think about it I seen some guy off to my left in the pit next to Howdys that kept looking at me but I was taking to Jim and Howdy. Since I don't know too many faces on here it was hard for me to pick anyone out. The only other pit I got to go to was Jim Smith and I was there a long time. I planed on going out more Sat. night, but when I got the call from my wife and she was so frantic I had to rush home to her. She wanted me to stay, but I just couldn't. But there is always next year.

[El Camexican]

Well there ya go, you don't remember sitting next to me and I don't remember seeing you at your pit LOL. The only time I looked at your pit was when I took a photo of it and you weren't there. Like I said, maybe next time.

[Mickey Dunlap]

Well there ya go, you don't remember sitting next to me and I don't remember seeing you at your pit LOL. The only time I looked at your pit was when I took a photo of it and you weren't there. Like I said, maybe next time.

Now that's funny, you wanted a pic of my pit, but you wouldn't come over and see me. Are you that skeered of me? You guys talk about how much your a family of trikers that get along so great, but you could, or would come around when I wasn't there, But you did and you turned and looked at me because when you turned away I seen something on the back of your race shirt to where I thought it must be you. Crazy

[El Camexican]

Now that's funny, you wanted a pic of my pit, but you wouldn't come over and see me. Are you that skeered of me? You guys talk about how much your a family of trikers that get along so great, but you could, or would come around when I wasn't there, But you did and you turned and looked at me because when you turned away I seen something on the back of your race shirt to where I thought it must be you. Crazy

Wow! You think I went out of my way to avoid you??? LOL!!! Did it occurs to you that I might have been going somewhere when I walked past your pit, or that the photo i took was of the crappers and not your pits??? I really is all about you isn't it? Like I said, get help.

[the tecate kid]

I just wanted to say thanks again Mickey. What a stand up guy. To work that hard and not take a time shows just how much character you truly have. Next year I owe you a beer. N/A of course!
I had worked so hard on this 110 to get it running, then when I went to put the gas tank back on I seen the frame was broke, I mean just about all the way in half, but they still went out and tried to race it! "are you crazy" lol It didn't make but 3/4th of a lap, but I can say he rode the wheels off it! lol


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[the tecate kid]

Sorry, that was supposed to say "not take a DIME"

[tripledog]

Wow! You think I went out of my way to avoid you??? LOL!!! Did it occurs to you that I might have been going somewhere when I walked past your pit, or that the photo i took was of the crappers and not your pits??? I really is all about you isn't it? Like I said, get help.

Crappers and Pits. Google that!

[Mickey Dunlap]

I just wanted to say thanks again Mickey. What a stand up guy. To work that hard and not take a time shows just how much character you truly have. Next year I owe you a beer. N/A of course!

Thanks, the people that know me because they met me in person know what I'm like, and it was fun for me to help people, you couldn't pay me for doing something that brought smiles to everyone I met.

These internet goons guy act all high and mighty, but couldn't face me face to face. It shows what they really are, not the nice 3 wheel people I met. Heck even a guy that got mad at me on face book came up and shook my hand, and yesterday even bought a set of fenders, those are real people , not the phonies that talk big but in their hearts a very small.

Thanks for taking the time to post!

[Louis Mielke]

Sounds like there are a couple relationships here that need worked on. I encourage everyone to try to step into the opposite persons shoes. I also encourage everyone to de-escalate. If everyone steps back and steps down and tries to give everyone the benefit of the doubt instead of thinking the worst of the situation I'm sure things can work out.

Do we need to lock the thread for a while so everyone can cool off? Lets try to work towards righting the relationships instead of heading in the wrong direction. I don't know a single one of you guys who wouldn't want to accomplish that. Am I right?

I think we do need to lock this thread. Time to cool off. Don't let it bleed into other threads or some time off will be handed out.


Think about how this thread looks to outsiders. This thread makes this whole site look badly. I don't appreciate it.