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DohcBikes
09-29-2016, 07:36 PM
What's up?

What's your next build?

Got a thread that needs updating?

Let's get some trike builds going up in here.

First Celebrity Death Build nomination: glamy vs. barnett468

knappyfeet
09-29-2016, 10:53 PM
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/174412-86-Honda-200X-Recommission-ATC

Sold my old 86 200X after a recomission.

Kinda wish I kept it cause it was so original and clean but I'm on the hunt for a 250R so my 85 200X will do for now.


http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u105/knappyfeet/20150617_165414_zpstxnjobgf.jpg (http://s166.photobucket.com/user/knappyfeet/media/20150617_165414_zpstxnjobgf.jpg.html)

86T3
09-30-2016, 12:22 AM
I don't know how this works, but I'll trike build the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro out of anyone using kawasaki parts. I'll leave Fabio singing the Honda counterbalancer bearing blues and make Kasey wish he was still an amateur hacker rather than a builder of fine Yamaha equipment.
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barnett468
09-30-2016, 12:30 AM
What's up?

Watching the sunset from my patio.



What's your next build?

Not a complete build/restoration but finishing my 428 Ram Air Cobra Jet Mach 1 and 1966 Mustang coupe and early 1969 Z50 Honda.



Got a thread that needs updating?

lol



Let's get some trike builds going up in here.

Will adding a 3rd wheel to my Z50 qualify it as a "trike"?



First Celebrity Death Build nomination: glamy vs. barnett468

Wow, I didn't get the memo that I was promoted to "Celebrity" status...Thank You Very Much!

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efhondakid
09-30-2016, 02:51 AM
My KE100 swapped ATC70.
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And my dads 85 200x/85 250R/89 RMX250 hybrid.
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Me at Ashtabula getting smoked in vintage A.
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efhondakid
09-30-2016, 02:53 AM
I don't get nearly enough pictures of anything. I'm winning the local series which is a combo of HS FT and MX. 235262

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Most of what I post is on Instagram @buschhippie

Shep1970
09-30-2016, 08:30 AM
Hi guys, been busy here but i have two builds pics for you.
One is 1986 honda 200sx,x
Other is we are building our own house, this is the start of it(yes thats a big azz rock,ledge)the blaster is coming next week to give us a price$$$$, soooo we may not get our foundation in this year. The kids are excited they will have their own little sand pit to ride there bikes on. 235268235269

DohcBikes
09-30-2016, 09:46 AM
will adding a 3rd wheel to my z50 qualify it as a "trike"? ......yes.

knappyfeet
09-30-2016, 10:01 AM
That's what I'm lookin for.....nooice!

The clean ones don't come up to often round here. I saw this one in North Park for $3100 obo.....which might mean $2700.

I'm leaving to Vegas today but seriously was considering it. I don't mind paying good money for something nice like yours. I've been lucky selling them.

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RIDE-RED 250r
09-30-2016, 10:06 AM
Not a trike, but my father in law just gifted me a BBC with a B&M blower that I will be doing a minor overhaul/build on to go in my '78 K-10. :)

I'm kinda out of trike projects ATM

And I don't want Glamy, Fabs, Kasey, and Mr. Swatland making me look like an utter
amateur, LOL!

coolpool
09-30-2016, 11:11 AM
I haven't contributed like I used to either. I'm guilty of not riding as much as I used for a number of reasons. I'm at a point where all the machines work the way they should and basic maintenance keeps things in check. I do have one more US90 in storage that could come out this winter, we'll see.

A 3 wheeled Z50 Barnett! Bring it!!!!!!

83ATC185
09-30-2016, 12:37 PM
Between working on this old thing, and remodeling and work I've just been too exhausted and out of time to do anything with the wheelers. I barely rode this summer. Got a 185 that needs a wiring harness and an 84 big red that needs tires/seat/tank/everything. Such is life i guess. "one of these days" 235279

barnett468
09-30-2016, 01:37 PM
Not a trike, but my father in law just gifted me a BBC with a B&M blower that I will be doing a minor overhaul/build on to go in my '78 K-10. :)

Start a build thread on it . I'm sure some would like to see it but don't use jpeg photos or whatever they are because the moderators have deemed me unworthy to view them, lol.


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knappyfeet
09-30-2016, 04:32 PM
Oh.....we are doing cars, trucks, bikes, everything?

Ok. I might start a thread for my 65 XLH. Going to get it up and running and up to speed.

My son (who's on it) likes it but sorry........go find your own.

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fabiodriven
09-30-2016, 06:32 PM
I couldn't be happier with the 480 build we did and also the speed in which it was finished. You're every bit as capable Joe B! Joe S I don't think I own a machine with a counter balance right now! Lol!

I have a different direction I'd like to go with the 480 but it's just an idea right now. It may or may not be feasible, but I'd like to try and make some races on it. Honestly I can't commit to something like that right now but if it's in the cards I'd like to do it. I wasn't going to say anything, nobody hold their breath.

Mr. Clean
09-30-2016, 06:37 PM
Beautiful. It is so clean your son only wants to put his heel on the ground :lol:

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Oh.....we are doing cars, trucks, bikes, everything?

Ok. I might start a thread for my 65 XLH. Going to get it up and running and up to speed.

My son (who's on it) likes it but sorry........go find your own.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u105/knappyfeet/20160814_183246_zpsdp0gqc9j.jpg (http://s166.photobucket.com/user/knappyfeet/media/20160814_183246_zpsdp0gqc9j.jpg.html)

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El Camexican
09-30-2016, 07:37 PM
Last winter I got wood and decided to do something with it :naughty:

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coolpool
09-30-2016, 08:19 PM
It never ceases to amaze with what this group can do! And to think we're viewed as a bunch of uneducated hicks for riding three wheelers by some. I believe there's nothing we can't accomplish as a community!

Nice ride Knappy, well adorned and not over built!

And you have nice wood elcam, you should go in business.

oldskool83
09-30-2016, 08:24 PM
This getting +2 swinger, reinforced rims and going some type of water cooled 4 stroke motor once I sell my KX set up. After riding my kfx450r I do not really dig 2 strokes much on 3/4 wheels. Not a racer just running coal hills and rail beds.

tripledog
09-30-2016, 08:37 PM
Beautiful. It is so clean your son only wants to put his heel on the ground :lol:

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Cuz that bike already has enough sole.

El Camexican
09-30-2016, 08:40 PM
you have nice wood elcam, you should go in business.

Thanks, but maybe not. All I have to work with is a hobby quality table saw, a router, hand grinder, two drills, a hammer and a screw driver. I plan to bring my dad’s jointer down here one day, would make things a lot easier. Much like my mechanical projects I'd go broke if I was paid by the job.

Caminofeld
09-30-2016, 08:43 PM
I'm planning a budget build on my '86 350x this Winter if I can meet my goal of getting my garage/shop in order (and, most importantly, heated). I can only put in work at night after the kids are in bed. I'm gonna start scavenging for parts this week. My goal is for function over form. If the Wife ever allows me to ride again I'll stick with my usual style of beating the piss out of whatever I ride. No trailer queens here. Couple questions:

-Does anyone have a cheap gas tank in decent condition?

-Should I gusset the frame?

Caminofeld
09-30-2016, 08:46 PM
Oh, and if my driver rear leaf on my cheap zombie K5 project sags 1.5" lower than the [only slightly saggy] passenger side, can I put a 3" block on one side and a 1.5" on the other to even them out and bring the rear up 1.5"?

I'll post pics soon…bummed I have to put the doors back on for cold weather:(

RIDE-RED 250r
09-30-2016, 09:36 PM
Start a build thread on it . I'm sure some would like to see it but don't use jpeg photos or whatever they are because the moderators have deemed me unworthy to view them, lol.


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I will surely post a thread here, but it's going to be awhile. I have other things that are of higher priority that I must see to before I can start on the big block... I can't friggen wait to get started though! I have been wanting to build my own truck engine for as long as I can remember.

It does need some work, but not terrible.. It needs pistons and possibly a bore job, the rest of the rotating assembly has very low hours on it since rebuilt, but I will most likely do the main, rod, and cam bearings just because they are relatively inexpensive and all of that stuff will be removed for the pending bore job anyway.... I'm pretty sure the reason it smoked the pistons was the wrong heads and/or pistons were used in conjunction with the blower. I'm probably going to just shop around and pick up a good set of iron heads for it with the correct chamber size for the blower and 91 oct fuel. BBC heads are CRAZY $$$, most running north of $1200 each (and we think trikes are a money pit!) and with the blower I think I can put together a combination that should pretty easily make 400hp/400 ft-lbs with the blower kicking things up a notch. Obviously I will be seeking the help of some professionals on this as I want it to run well, but I want it to hold together.

The big block is still at my father in laws place, but I will be moving it home in the coming weeks. I'll get some pics and show you guys what I got when I get it home.

barnett468
09-30-2016, 10:40 PM
I will surely post a thread here, but it's going to be awhile. I have been wanting to build my own truck engine for as long as I can remember.

It needs pistons and possibly a bore job, the rest of the rotating assembly has very low hours on it since rebuilt, but I will most likely do the main, rod, and cam bearings just because they are relatively inexpensive and all of that stuff will be removed for the pending bore job anyway.... I'm pretty sure the reason it smoked the pistons was the wrong heads and/or pistons were used in conjunction with the blower. I'm probably going to just shop around and pick up a good set of iron heads for it with the correct chamber size for the blower and 91 oct fuel. BBC heads are CRAZY $$$, most running north of $1200 each (and we think trikes are a money pit!) and with the blower I think I can put together a combination that should pretty easily make 400hp/400 ft-lbs with the blower kicking things up a notch. Obviously I will be seeking the help of some professionals on this as I want it to run well, but I want it to hold together.

The big block is still at my father in laws place, but I will be moving it home in the coming weeks. I'll get some pics and show you guys what I got when I get it home.

Sounds like fun . If you don't know anyone that knows a lot about engines, feel free to pm me cuz that's one of the things I have done since 1971.


PISTONS

I can tell you this for certain, you need 2618 material for the pistons for any type of forced air induction or nitrous, otherwise the chances that the will grenade is very high . The grenading is typically due to incorrect tune which causes detonation which will grenade the more brittle 4032 pistons . For super high boost, you should run thick deck 2618 pistons but je is one of the few companies that makes them and unless you hit the lotto, you will likely need to take donations to buy them . I think they are currently around $950.00 . The best overall piston for a budget blower engine is the Probes . The NMRA guys run those with up to 15 lbs of boost and they seem to stay together.


IGNITION TIMING CONTROL

I would also consider an "anti knock" timing control device . They sense detonation and reduce the timing always keeping it near the maximum for max performance, however, they run around $650.00 and if you are only running around 6 psi of boost which will be more tan enough to get over 400 hp, you can get by without one if you tune it carefully and run an MSD that has a boost retard function or just lock out your distributor so it doesn't advance too much.

http://www.jandssafeguard.com/


RODS

If the rods are stock, throw them in the trash . Eagle, Scat, or K1 H beam rods with 2000 psi ARP rod bolts will be good enough . The K1's will be the lightest which is what I prefer to run between these . If you want killer rods, Olivers are what I would use but those are overkill unless you will be drag racing it.


TIMING CHAIN SET

Rollmaster timing set with the IWIS chain will last longer than most . You can get them with 1, 2 or no torrington bearings . The torringtons are overkill for non racing apps . The Cloyes True Roller is a decent budget chain .


CYLINDER HEAD MODS

You should have some minor porting done in the bowl and valve guide area for the best effect . The labor on this should only be around 400.00 for the pair . If you are on a budget and are handy with a grinder, you can do this yourself once you know what to do . There are several photos of ported Chevy heads on the net to use as a guide.


CAMSHAFT

It will get over 400 hp with almost any camshaft, however, for the most power everywhere, you need to get a custom cam . It will cost you around $200.00 more than an off the shelf cam and it will make a noticeable difference, however, to get the most benefit from the custom cam, they will need your head flow numbers . I would use Chris Straub.

http://straubtechnologies.com/


CRANK DAMPER

If it is stock, get an ATI dual inertia ring type . They reduce crank twist and vibration . This is the same brand used by many Nascar teams, however, they use the tripple inertia ring one.


ENGINE BALANCE

This will need to be done.



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tripledog
09-30-2016, 10:48 PM
Thinking of converting this into an edit button for Mr. 468...

El Camexican
09-30-2016, 11:34 PM
All I can tell you about big block Chevy's Joe, is that they run very hot even with a mild tune. Make sure you set aside some cash for a great big four core rad and some electric fans.

barnett468
10-01-2016, 12:30 AM
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Not all electric fans are equal . Most aftermarket ones actually flow less air than a fixed blade fan that has 5 or more blades . One problem is that most of the aftermarket electric fan mfgs simply outright lie abut their flow rating . Some of the most accurate ratings are from Derale and Spal . The best deal on the higher flow fans are used oem ones . The most popular ones are from the Ford Taurus, Lincoln MK V111 and Ford Contour . The Contour has 2 fans and its depth its slightly less than the other two so it allows for a little more clearance between the fan and the water pump . These fans can often be found at jumk yards for aroud $30.00 or from resellers online for around $120.00, however, do NOT buy an aftermarket replacement one because they flow less air tan an oem one.

Along with that $600.00 radiator you will need, you will also need a high flow water pump and high quality high flow brass thermostat like a Milodon . The cheap high flow t stats from the chain stores are crap . Flow Kooler has good pumps and reasonable prices . I just bought a high flow one for my 428 Cobra Jet from them in cast iron because I needed the factory look.

https://www.flowkoolerwaterpumps.com/


US RADIATOR makes the best copper brass ones and their retail store is Cool Craft in Arizona.

http://www.coolcraft.com/radiators.html

http://www.usradiator.com/


CHAMPION sells decent Chinese aluminum ones.

http://www.championradiators.com/


GRIFFIN makes some cheap ones and some good ones . An aluminum rad with 2 rows of 1 1/8 - 1 1/4 tubes are excellent rads but aren't cheap either.

http://www.griffinrad.com/

Its best to mount aluminum rads with isolators to reduce the potential for cracking.

With all this fancy stuff, you will also need a high amp alternator . A 90 amp one will be enough unless you have a 10,000 jigawatt amplifier.

Last and not least you need a fan controller . DCC is the most popular one with people "In the know". I would not even look at the others.

http://www.dccontrol.com/

As far as engine running temp goes, I would not run it any higher than 185 which means you need a 180 t stat . 175 with a 170 t stat would be my other choice.

Run a 16 lb cap with an overflow bottle.

If you live where it doesn't get to freezing, you can run 25% coolant and a bottle of coolant additive like water wetter but a different brand and the rest demineralized water.

You should also have the air pick up outside the engine compartment (Cold Air Induction) to reduce the potential for detonation and also try a plug that is one step colder than stock.

Plug gap should be no more than .032" to reduce the chance of the blower blowing the spark out which they will in fact do if there is enough boost.

You don't need to worry much about maintaining the proper squish/quench clearance with boosted engines because the boost creates enough turbulence.


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DohcBikes
10-01-2016, 08:39 AM
The new job and a determination to not create any more tasks or responsibilities for myself is finally allowing me to get caught up physically and financially. Once I get some more things in order and after I get some parts that have been idle too long out to where they belong, I'll be posting a very unique Yamaha trike build, a Honda electric start auto-x, and a Suzuki 2 wheeler build.

DohcBikes
10-01-2016, 08:58 AM
Also thank you for the participation in the thread.

Looks like there's a few more than 5 or 6 of us left here.

Ghost? What cha got?

AK47? How's the 200x?

Anybody else, wanna provide links to your builds? Maybe some of us missed them while we were banned, HA.

Fabio, the 480 is bad to the bone.

86t3, what's your time frame on the Green Bassturd? I don't have anything intended for flat track so I have no skin in the game. Isn't somebody else on this site building a 200? Dirtcrasher... Where's that Blaster trike?

fabiodriven
10-01-2016, 10:02 AM
This is my 1985 Mustang GT. I've had it for about 15 years or so, so I acquired it in about 2001 or thereabouts. At that time it was owned by an old man. It had 155,000 miles and next to no modifications. The EGR was deleted and the Motorcraft intake and Holley 4 barrel had been replaced with Edelbrock equipment, but even the factory single exhaust was still unmodified. It had tiny front brakes and the spindly 7.5" one-legger rear with 3.55's. Over the years it's gone through multiple transformations and literally every part of this car has been touched at this point. Probably about two or three years after I got it TecateDan and myself ended up acquiring an 89 GT and swapped in the entire drive train, motor, tranny, and rear end. The motor was far more fresh than mine and obviously had a little bit of cam to it. Dan and I added a Pete Jackson noisy gear drive at that time as well. The transmission was just another T5, albeit one that wasn't blown, and the 8.8 has 3.73's and posi. We also swapped out the front end to upgrade to 87+ brakes and struts, which was a huge improvement. Not long after that the car lost its hood and off it's been for years now.

This was about 2005.

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I beat around in it for a very long time like that at roughly 300hp until it got parked for a few years. It takes years off at a time then resurfaces when the time is right. In about 2009 or 2010 I bought a brand new Weiand 174 supercharger for it and a used Tremec TKO 1 tranny for it as well as some other parts to compliment it. Sub frame connectors, trailing arms, torque box reinforcements, I could go on and on. After stock piling "everything I'd need to finish it", it remained untouched for years until this past spring when I finally decided to throw a wrench at it again.

What happened after that was it basically stole my wallet and cleaned me out even though I had already bought "everything I needed" for it. Funny how that happens, isn't it? I got the blower on and the tranny in and was really trying to take my time and do everything right on it. Mind you this is all right before I'm supposed to be getting ready for Trikefest which requires gobs of cash as well, but I was possessed and couldn't stop myself. I encountered a slight hiccup while trying to figure out the throttle linkage and after sleeping on it for a few days I came to the conclusion copper would work perfectly for what I wanted. I had already made a linkage from steel but it looked like something BC Redneck had dreamed up. I was so impressed with the copper that I began using it throughout the engine bay.

As time grew shorter and shorter I cut a corner right before startup that cost me, but everything happens for a reason. Rather than hooking up my MSD BTM (boost timing module) and wide-band air/fuel gauge (which are both absolutely REQUIRED for a blower motor Joe), I decided to " just fire it off" with the factory Duraspark ignition in place. It started and ran fine at first, but what I soon found out was I had blown the head gaskets out of it as soon as I started the engine. Still unaware I continued to button up the rest of the car in anticipation of driving it. Well I was curious why every time I floored it the car was firing coolant out of the reservoir and 10 feet into the air like a geyser (no hood) so upon disassembly I found the head gaskets were obliterated.

So off to the machine shop the heads went and I've since gotten them back but I've not touched the car since the spring. I currently have no plans to mess with it because I just don't have any money right now, although this time I already have "everything I need" to finish it.

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coolpool
10-01-2016, 10:40 AM
Wow fabio, that thing is going to dance? So were the gaskets deteriorated to start off or was the short cut solely to blame? Your talking above my experience with your mods ;-)

fabiodriven
10-01-2016, 12:16 PM
Wow fabio, that thing is going to dance? So were the gaskets deteriorated to start off or was the short cut solely to blame? Your talking above my experience with your mods ;-)

It was a combination of things Pete. This is my first boosted gasoline engine of my own so I'm learning as I go. The head gaskets were old, yes, but this engine is around 9.5:1 compression so it's borderline too much compression to boost. You want a lot less compression with a blower motor, but I'm not doing pistons and such right now. Because of that I'm walking a fine line between power and detonation. In order to control the detonation you need to retard the timing significantly, but then it would run like crap under normal running conditions other than full throttle, so for me that's actually abnormal running conditions. In order for the engine to run correctly throughout the RPM range and rather "safely", you must have an ignition that can adjust for the respective amount of boost you're making. My BTM (boost timing module) has a line that's plumbed in to read the boost then back off the timing. It also has a knob that's wired into the cockpit that allows you to fine tune up to three degrees per pound of boost for varying weather conditions and atmospheric pressures. Because I didn't have that hooked up the timing was far too advanced and it detonated enough to trash the gaskets.

I have since gotten the heads planed and will next procure a set of copper head gaskets.

The other prerequisite is the air/fuel gauge. A blower motor is very susceptible to damage if run lean so it's essential that you have a constant readout on that. I didn't have that hooked up either and the jets in the 750 CFM carb are just whatever it comes with out of the package.

barnett468
10-01-2016, 03:01 PM
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ok, I will try to make this short since it should be on a build thread instead of DOHC's thread.


HEAD BOLT TORQUE

In general, the high the cylinder pressure, the higher the head bolt torque should be . The less compressible the gasket is the higher the head bolt torque should be . High cylinder pressure and solid gaskets like steel and copper require the highest torque . This number can be around 85 ft lbs.


HEAD BOLTS VS STUDS

I would not use stock head bolts on any blower engine . On low boost engines of around 6 psi or less, you can typically get away with using bolts instead of studs although studs with fine threads on the head side are the safest bet for ALL apps . There are a few different mfg's for high quality bolts and studs . ARP is the most common.


CYLINDER DISTORTION

The cylinders in some engines distort slightly when the head fasteners are tightened . The higher the fastener torque setting, the more they distort, therefore, to insude the cylinder is as true as possible, it is best to have them bored and honed with torque plates installed using the same torque value you will use when you assemble it . Using torque plates typically adds $60.00 to $80.00 to the bore job but that is cheap insurance to insure the bore is as true as possible.


BLOCK AND HEAD SURFACE FINISH

Use the gasket mfg's recommended finish . If the finish is too rough, the gaskets may not seal properly.


HEAD GASKET OPTIONS FOR BLOWN ENGINES

There are several that will work depending on the amount of boost . Below are a few . Plain copper head gaskets with no sealer and standard head bolts with standard torque settings are a sure recipe for failure.

FEL-PRO - They make a non MLS gasket with a heavy duty fire ring that are good for low boost apps of around 6 psi . I ran them on a 302 Ford engine that I overdrove a NOVI 1200 at 14 psi for a few runs and they worked fine, however, I lowered the boost to round 8 psi after that . They also make an MLS gasket with print o seal around the water ports.

SCE TITAN ICS COPPER - These are copper with an internal cylinder sealing ring and print o seal type silicone around the water ports.

COMETIC MLS - Most popular and most common gasket used for all high perf street cars with or without blowers.

FLATOUT GROUP COPPER


https://www.flatoutgroup.com/default.aspx

http://www.cometic.com/

http://scegaskets.com/



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DohcBikes
10-01-2016, 05:43 PM
Knappyfeet, your 86 X is super nice.

oldskool83, the first gen X's are a builder's dream. Looking forward to a water cooled thread.

caminofeld, let's see the K5. No, but you can swap each spring side to side and they will level out fairly quickly. Blocks are a bad idea for a short wheelbase spring over axle chevy, axlewrap waiting to happen.

Also, look closely to see if there's a broken spring in the pack.

Always use new axle u-bolts, anytime they are loosened.

86T3
10-01-2016, 06:03 PM
Dohc, Id like to have the green trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro done by June next year. The engine is out at the Hall's for a rebuild, I'll probably pick it up in the spring and throw it together. It's going to be a low budget build, Ill probably paint the frame but that's about it. For this winter I think I'm going to concentrate on finishing my mini trike and I want to get this Nova running.
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I'm not going crazy on this, I'm putting a power disk brake kit, new file lines and a set of torque thrusts I have. It has a 400 sb and a power glide, not my ideal drive train but I'm going to stick with it. I've had this car for 7 years and haven't touched it, I want to get it going and see if I like it before I do anything major

danbur55
10-01-2016, 06:29 PM
Pick one. The cushman with a Polaris 325 engine and tranny235323235324 or the Bigfoot trike, the 88 blaster survivor, heald hauler, commuter te380 and can't forget the tricart235325235326 right now the blaster new seals to sell so I can finance the next mess I've gotten myself into

Scootertrash
10-01-2016, 09:05 PM
Some nice builds up in here. Just imagine if we all had bottomless wallets..........

I've got 2 Harleys under the knife, a golf cart and a 200ES, then about 2,346,876 "small miscellaneous projects". And I need to build an outbuilding. Sooner than later.

I'll try to post some pics when I get home.

Nice car Fabio. Its also nice to see a real working garage.

El Camexican
10-01-2016, 09:11 PM
I will try to make this short

What matters most is that you tried. :beer

RamsesRibb
10-01-2016, 10:46 PM
Pick one. The cushman with a Polaris 325 engine and tranny235323235324 or the Bigfoot trike, the 88 blaster survivor, heald hauler, commuter te380 and can't forget the tricart235325235326 right now the blaster new seals to sell so I can finance the next mess I've gotten myself into

Oh man been there and done that. I'm trying to acquire an Alsport Trisport to build as I type this. My wants to know will it fit In the garage. Ha, no but I have a spot picked out in the back shed where I used to keep my lawn mower.

barnett468
10-01-2016, 11:53 PM
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Well since people are posting photos of bikes ad cars, the engine photo is of my 1970 R CODE RAM AIR 428 COBRA JET MACH1 that I am doing a partial resto on . The engine compartment was old and very ugly looking so I yanked everything out and rebuilt the engine and got all new Concours correct hardware and date coded hoses and date coded spark plug wires etc so it would judge fairly high at MCA points judged shows . I stripped the engine compartment to bare metal then had it resprayed with catalyzed PPG semi gloss black so it won't easily scratch . I also had most of it repainted to moderately high local show level condition and the exterior has just been color sanded and polished and is currently being assembled after which it will be sold.


..............................................http ://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qOcAAOSwMsVXjbPn/s-l400.jpg


http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7vEAAOSwFfhXjbhg/s-l1600.jpg



This is a 66 Mustang with a 289, A/C and Pony interior that I bought last week to do some detail work on then resell.

...............................https://images.craigslist.org/01414_5KJmKPxR41N_600x450.jpg



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DohcBikes
10-02-2016, 12:02 AM
.This is a 66 Mustang with a 289, A/C and Pony interior that I bought last week to do some detail work on then resell.
Chevy small block should bring the value up substantially. :naughty:

Very nice work as always Mike.

barnett468
10-02-2016, 12:14 AM
Chevy small block should bring the value up substantially. :naughty:

.....................http://www.mustang.org.au/forum/Smileys/smilies/kickass.gif

tripledog
10-02-2016, 12:32 AM
Hope to get to this while I am still strong (and tall) enough to kickstart it...

Joseph Farrow
10-02-2016, 11:57 AM
I have this bike finished......just need to make myself do the Build Tread!

Here is a teaser......I have others still coming down the pike. :)

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fabiodriven
10-02-2016, 12:07 PM
The Ford FE motors are my first true love Barnett. I wish I had one for the engine bay in my Mustang. A little odd in a Fox body? Yes it would be, but I have FE experience and I know one of those would spin my back tires right into 4th gear. I like different.

barnett468
10-02-2016, 03:00 PM
The Ford FE motors are my first true love Barnett. I wish I had one for the engine bay in my Mustang. A little odd in a Fox body? Yes it would be, but I have FE experience and I know one of those would spin my back tires right into 4th gear. I like different.

Fabiodriven, first of all, glad to hear you are feeling better . Anyone like myself that has ever been seriously injured or sick for a prolonged period of time or personally knows someone that was can sympathize with what you are going thru . I think Dirtcrasher also posted that he had some serious health issues for a while and I sent him a pm a while back.

Secondly, my congrats for your conscientious recycling effort with the ingenious use of an empty Jaegermeister bottle as a radiator overflow bottle . Yes, I pay close attention to small details.

As far as liking odd things goes, I do too (because I am odd) and it seems Damon and a few others here do also (and are also).

In case you didn't know, one of the popular but very expensive conversions for a 64 thru 70 Mustang is to put a late model 4.6 Cammer engine in them, however, that doesn't interest me . I prefer to stick with the old school engines in various forms including strokers which I have built a lot of.

As far as FE engines goes, I like those alot also, unfortunately there is very little room for headers in many body styles and it costs a LOT more to build one and every part is friggen heavy . You may know this also, you can stroke a 4.130" bore FE to 4.70 cubes.

Below are some good sites to get parts and info on FE's in case you don't have this info.

Jon Kaase is a 6 time Engine Masters Challenge Winner and undisputed King of the FE engine and is incredibly nice and down to earth.

http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/


Barry Robotnik is also very knowledgeable and easy to deal with.

http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/


DOVE is another supplier of high end FE parts.

http://dovemanufacturing.com/


These are the biggest FE forums

http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182

http://www.fefordtech.com/

Jay Brown is the administrator of this one and he is an FE Guru . Barry Robotnik also often posts here.

http://fepower.net/simplemachinesforum/


1965 Mustang coupe a guy put a 4.6 in.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/4/356/2741/38388870069_large.jpg


1956 T Bird with 427.

http://downtownmotorcarsales.com/pics/1956-ford-thunderbird-with-427-motorb-m-stick-hydro-4.JPG


1957 T Bird with a 427 SOHC engine.

http://www.2040-cars.com/_content/cars/images/89/56189/008.jpg



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El Camexican
10-02-2016, 03:11 PM
The Ford FE motors are my first true love Barnett. I wish I had one for the engine bay in my Mustang. A little odd in a Fox body? Yes it would be, but I have FE experience and I know one of those would spin my back tires right into 4th gear. I like different.

Put me down as a Lima fan. I had an FE combo few seem to know about. It was a 1967 410cc. That was basically a 428 crank in a 390 block. I drove it for a year and then bought a 1970 coupe to put it in. Never happened and it ended up in an F150. I once had a line on a 1970 Cougar with a 429 Super Cobra Jet in it. Low miles, high rust. The guy wouldn't part with it. That's the closest I'll ever get to owning one.

RIDE-RED 250r
10-02-2016, 07:59 PM
Thanks for the tips Barnett...

My intent with my BBC is to build an engine with stump pulling torque for fun and hauling for my old '78 Chevy K-10. I don't plan to get aggressive with the boost and am not looking to spool 7k RPM, or drag race with it. The lower RPM it comes into the meat of the power curve, the better I will like it.

Sorry I haven't kept up on here much this week

bkm
10-02-2016, 11:03 PM
Put me down as a Lima fan. I had an FE combo few seem to know about. It was a 1967 410cc. That was basically a 428 crank in a 390 block. I drove it for a year and then bought a 1970 coupe to put it in. Never happened and it ended up in an F150. I once had a line on a 1970 Cougar with a 429 Super Cobra Jet in it. Low miles, high rust. The guy wouldn't part with it. That's the closest I'll ever get to owning one.
The 410 was used in full sized Mercury's in 66 and 67. I think they were rated at 330hp. The FE engines are so damn cool, but expensive to build that's for sure.

El Camexican
10-02-2016, 11:18 PM
The 410 was used in full sized Mercury's in 66 and 67. I think they were rated at 330hp. The FE engines are so damn cool, but expensive to build that's for sure.

Yep. mine was in "The Merc". Fastest winter beater in all the Great White North! :lol:

The thing rode almost a smooth as my 72 El Dorado with it's 8.2 at least till about 100mph when the rusted out rear fenders would open up like wings and try to lift the rear end off the ground. I miss both, but if I could have any of my old boats back I'd pick my 67 Delta 88 with the 425 Rocket. That was the fastest, classiest chicken delivery car of its time. I remember one night I got so many tips I almost covered my fuel expenses.

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knappyfeet
10-02-2016, 11:45 PM
Hope to get to this while I am still strong (and tall) enough to kickstart it...

Love the wheels on the older Yamahas.............look like old Lesters.

tripledog
10-03-2016, 12:04 AM
Love the wheels on the older Yamahas.............look like old Lesters.

They are a PITA, as are those on my '78 XS650 Special. 1979 was the first year for Yamaha cast aluminum wheels suitable for tubeless tires. Luck finds me as a "one year wonder" buyer that has a proclivity for acquiring machines that require parts manufactured from unobtanium.

knappyfeet
10-03-2016, 04:09 PM
They are a PITA, as are those on my '78 XS650 Special. 1979 was the first year for Yamaha cast aluminum wheels suitable for tubeless tires. Luck finds me as a "one year wonder" buyer that has a proclivity for acquiring machines that require parts manufactured from unobtanium.

Unobtanium

Folks told me getting the correct bezel for the 65 XLH were Unobtanium but found 2....both of which were incomplete. I purchased 1....the nicest one.

And I'm sure when I'm not looking the other parts of it will show up for sale from Unobtanium as well.

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It needs wotk and chroming, etc.... but I have one and glad.

3 Wheel Drive
10-04-2016, 12:13 AM
Im going to fix up jrs alt 50 as soon as I can find a new front fender & pull start.

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DohcBikes
10-04-2016, 07:07 AM
Somebody here reproduces the alt50 front fender, I think.

Great to see all these projects fellas, keep em coming, looking forward to details!

Ghostv2
10-04-2016, 07:30 AM
Somebody here reproduces the alt50 front fender, I think.

Great to see all these projects fellas, keep em coming, looking forward to details!
I don't think anything was set in motion yet. There was also a guy on Facebook reproducing them in fiberglass, or going to I should say. You know how these go.


http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/180892-Reproduction-ALT50-FRONT-FENDER-group-buy

bkm
10-04-2016, 08:22 AM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161004/81f4343d89f25b884b27ff496a55f91e.jpg

'84 js550 that's getting a TS 650 swap over the winter.

Evan Hagenow
10-04-2016, 12:12 PM
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I just finished up my 70 build for the most part. Still need to jet it as it wont run off choke and wont throttle up at all. But its got full fiberglass fenders, 400ex rear hubs, 8x8 aluminum wheels, pit bike bars, Honda big red throttle, custom stickers from peewee, and a pull start conversion from Gordon Spanglers. One of the most fun projects Ive ever done.

Rob Canadian
10-04-2016, 07:16 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161004/81f4343d89f25b884b27ff496a55f91e.jpg

'84 js550 that's getting a TS 650 swap over the winter.

Holy. Is that thing an Ice Breaker? or something from Waterworld? It's got some decent metal at the front...

bkm
10-04-2016, 07:42 PM
Holy. Is that thing an Ice Breaker? or something from Waterworld? It's got some decent metal at the front...
These older ski's are prone to breaking around the nose and where those braces are on the side under the hood. If they were raced or run in rough water they had to be reinforced or they would crack all over.

knappyfeet
10-04-2016, 07:48 PM
I think Rob Canadian is onto something.

A Waterworld replica......murdered out.

Caminofeld
10-04-2016, 09:29 PM
Smokers!!!

Rob Canadian
10-04-2016, 10:15 PM
These older ski's are prone to breaking around the nose and where those braces are on the side under the hood. If they were raced or run in rough water they had to be reinforced or they would crack all over.

I know. Just thought it was overkill. LOL. Name it the 'Battle Axe' build. I had a Seadoo for a couple of years. I did get to try a jetski years ago. It was fun. Old neighbour had a Jetbike for sale and I missed out on the deal. Stuff comes up....

El Camexican
10-04-2016, 10:25 PM
84 js550 that's getting a TS 650 swap over the winter.

Whatever floats your, um... well you know.:beer

DohcBikes
10-04-2016, 10:32 PM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161004/81f4343d89f25b884b27ff496a55f91e.jpg

'84 js550 that's getting a TS 650 swap over the winter.

What about the wood burner?

bkm
10-04-2016, 10:33 PM
What about the wood burner?
Wood Burner?

DohcBikes
10-04-2016, 10:35 PM
Is that not a wood burning stove in the background

Thorpe
10-04-2016, 10:41 PM
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Just got done with my Marlin 1895gbl... Nothing too crazy, Leupold vxii 2-7x33, sitting in a dnz one piece mount, got a little 1200 grit and internal polish job, and Wolff spring treatment. Coolest part is the sling that I had custom made for it. Dan @ http://thorshammercustomleather.com did an outstanding job on the sling, and made the image I had in my head, into a reality on the gun... Extremely high quality leather goods! This is the second sling he has made for me, the other one is on my 357 maximum rifle

I know a couple of you will ask, 300 grain Barnes tsx's in starline brass, fed l.r. primers, over 48gr of RL#7...

DohcBikes
10-04-2016, 10:44 PM
^^^^wwwooowww!!!^^^ The grain on the stock, amazing!

bkm
10-04-2016, 11:17 PM
Is that not a wood burning stove in the background

Haha, yes it is and i didn't even notice it. It's my buddy's pole barn. He has 6 of these old ski's stacked up in his barn and gave me this one so he has someone to ride with. You know what they say about free projects, they usually end up costing the most.

bkm
10-05-2016, 12:40 AM
I haven't decided if I want to go OG '73 green or make it look like a PJS boat? There are decal kits available to make it look like both Ski's. The PJS boats were all the rage back in the day, but the original Plain Jane old school green is pretty cool too.

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I've also thought about going with the OEM '84 Red and decals
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Or possibly a throw back to the first ski I owned which was an 81 JS440
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My buddy also threw in about of quart of PPG white paint and clearcoat he used on one of his ski's about a month ago, so it's kinda hard to turn down free paint as well and might make my mind up as far as color scheme.

knappyfeet
10-05-2016, 02:10 AM
I haven't decided if I want to go OG '73 green or make it look like a PJS boat? There are decal kits available to make it look like both Ski's.
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I've seen a couple of green ones at the river all done up..... very original. I mean......how cool would it be to tow it behind a classic car/truck?

But since you got the PPG DBC and clear......the 81 would do it for me.

fabiodriven
10-05-2016, 07:06 AM
That 'ski is cool for sure, but from that era the Wet Bike is even cooler. Wet Bikes are the three wheeler of the water.

bkm
10-05-2016, 07:53 AM
Those wet bikes are so freaking awesome. I've only seen one on the water and that was 20 years ago. We were on our ski's and talked to the guy for a while. He called it the arm snapper. He said it has broken no less than five arms since it was new. There is a video on YouTube of an NOS wet bike being taken out of the crate.

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83ATC185
10-05-2016, 08:22 AM
Thorpe that's a beautiful rifle! Really liking the diversity of projects we have going here!

86T3
10-05-2016, 09:55 AM
My brother's friend had a wet bike in the late 90s, my brother said it was really dumb and only did 30mph? Maybe he doesn't appreciate the finer things in life like I do. BKM, I would go with the green one and go with knappyfeet's suggestion of pulling it behind a green 64 Nova wagon full of Tecate parts and a set of dog dish hubcaps caps

bkm
10-05-2016, 10:00 AM
My offer still stands. You can keep the T3 stuff.

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RIDE-RED 250r
10-05-2016, 03:46 PM
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Just got done with my Marlin 1895gbl... Nothing too crazy, Leupold vxii 2-7x33, sitting in a dnz one piece mount, got a little 1200 grit and internal polish job, and Wolff spring treatment. Coolest part is the sling that I had custom made for it. Dan @ http://thorshammercustomleather.com did an outstanding job on the sling, and made the image I had in my head, into a reality on the gun... Extremely high quality leather goods! This is the second sling he has made for me, the other one is on my 357 maximum rifle

I know a couple of you will ask, 300 grain Barnes tsx's in starline brass, fed l.r. primers, over 48gr of RL#7...

For a second there I thought your load recipe was for the 357 max! LOL! I'm like 48gr of RL7??? A HOW MANY GRAIN BOOLIT???? In 357 ANYTHING??? LMAO!

Then I realized you were referring to the 1895 in 45-70... :beer

Starline brass= best straight wall cases..period. :) Haven't had any failures with my Starline brass for my 460 S&W Mag yet... had a couple Winchester cases split... The 460 certainly does test your brass though, it's a 60k psi cartridge loaded up to the max.

Love me a lever rifle..and that one is a beauty!

My lever rifle wish list consists of adding
- New Winchester 1886 Short Rifle
- New Winchester 1892 Short Rifle

Will be adding soon now as I'm almost saved up
-Late New Haven model 94 Trapper in 45 Colt, NIB, never fired...

And then there's the 2 or 3 more model 70s on my wish list.... It never friggen ends! LOL!

Not really a project by most peoples' criteria, but my insatiable desire to keep adding to my firearms collection has been a nearly life-long project of sorts...

Thorpe
10-05-2016, 10:18 PM
^^ The big bore bug has a grip on me...! Those 405 grain boolits over 50-55 grains of varget will definitely get your attention! Joe, do you cast your own at this point?

RIDE-RED 250r
10-06-2016, 12:03 AM
No casting for me....yet. Just haven't felt the compelling need to cast my own thus far. I mainly use Hornady XTP and XTP Mags for my wheelgun loads and Hornady SST or SP for my rifles. ( I seem to like Hornady boolits)The only exception being my Winchester 94 Big Bore in 375 Win..a cartridge with precious little support from component manufacturers. In that I am running Hawk 200 and 250gr jacketed boolits and plan to try Volmer 220 grainers in the near future.

barnett468
10-07-2016, 02:15 AM
Thanks for the tips Barnett...

My intent with my BBC is to build an engine with stump pulling torque for fun and hauling for my old '78 Chevy K-10. I don't plan to get aggressive with the boost and am not looking to spool 7k RPM, or drag race with it. The lower RPM it comes into the meat of the power curve, the better I will like it.

Sorry I haven't kept up on here much this week


....and now, back to a thread with a slightly lighter tone.

Just curious, what type of blower is it?

Not everything I build has to have a zillion hp, lol . I would suggest you ask more than one person what they suggest for your particular app and then go with what makes the most sense .

You have a unique challenge and I don't think you can reach all your goals unless you have at least 500 cubes and ported heads . The problem is getting 400 hp n/a at around 4500 rpm out of a big block Chevy with crappy oem heads and low compression assuming that is around the max rpm you want to spin it to.

Part of your dilemma is that you "should" run hard seats with a blower and the cost for those alone is typically $250.00 or more . Used heads will also need new full guides for $120.00 . Valve job and assembly $400.00 . New stainless valves for $250.00 . Springs and retainers . $130.00 . Surface $60.00 . Used 781 heads $400.00 . Total cost approximately $1560.00 a pair and the flow will still suck . You need good flow t get near your goal so you need bigger valves . I would run the 2.150 in your case . The 2.250 is overkill and will cost more in labor . The seat to port transition must be blended and the short turn radius must be modified slightly if you use valves that are bigger than stock, otherwise, you are not optimizing the potential of the bigger valves so add maybe $300.00 more for this which puts you at around $1860.00 . Well, you can now buy a pair of Eddy E street heads or add another $300.00 and get RPM's, some AFR's or Trick Flows . You can also get Chinese heads much cheaper but if you go that route I would buy them bare then get high quality parts to build them with.

A semi budget option for used heads is to get the 781's listed below for around $400.00 delivered . They and the 049's are the best flowing oval port made, however, the 049's tend to crack.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BBC-454-781-X-Heads-Complete-Sold-Over-100-Sets-HI-PERF-396-427-336781-X-1977-/381789824232?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=M6%252B2j8WiivJRvR1PXmO4EwVRK5s%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


The later 781's like these also have induction hardened seats, and if they have not had a valve job before and the seats aren't very bad, you can have them ground and the hardening will still be left . If you grind the seats very much, the hardening will be gone, therefore you "shouldn't install bigger valves unless you install seats . Bronze guide liners $80.00 . Valve job and assembly $400.00 . Springs and retainers $130.00 . Stainless valves . $250.00 . Surface $60.00 . Total $1340.00


COMPRESSION

I would run around 7.0 to 7.5 max with 5 - 6 psi of boost on iron heads, and since you need pistons anyway, you can get custom pistons to achieve the compression you want.


CAMSHAFTS

This is kind of complicated so I will just say that if you run an off the shelf cam, I would consider one of the following ones, however, similar ones will also work decent.


FOR 427 AND 454

Comp Cams XE262H

http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2149&gid=287

http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2150&gid=287

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-11-231-3/overview/make/chevrolet


FOR 396 AND 427

Comp Cams XE256H

http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2148&gid=287

http://www.lunatipower.com/Product.aspx?id=2149&gid=287

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-11-231-3/overview/make/chevrolet



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atctim
10-07-2016, 10:28 AM
My builds: First one I really would consider a "refurbish" over the official title "build". I picked this up from a good friend and member of this forum. It is a 1984 ATC200M. I have always held a special place in my heart for 200Ms mainly because it was the first adult sized trike I had ever laid my eyes on back in 1984. The family member who had an ATC70 that I first rode in the Summer of 1984, also had a 200M. I used to have a pretty descent 200M, but far from perfect. I sold it off many years ago and have been regretting it ever since. So when this popped up - I was all over it like hair on a monkey. It needed some rear end parts. I replaced the rear axle, the entire rear carrier and all rear brake components, all bearings, and a few levers. Here it is on 3 wheels finally, but I still need to replace the battery, install and tighten a new chain and a few other odds and ends. It is in overall great shape. I love the fact that it does not have a rear rack. From the factory, 200Ms did not have rear racks, but many people or dealerships put them on. The fact that the 200M is kind of a hodge-podge of many different ATCs has always been a fascinating idea for me to ponder. The front end is the same as 1983 ATC200. the rear fenders are 1982-1984 ATC200E/200ES. The seat is 1984 ATC200ES. The frame is unique as is the rear axle. This one is in great condition, and even the OEM tires that came with it showed very little wear. Unfortunately, the rears are dry rotted to the point they will not hold air. My plan is to tube the OEM tires and shelf them for a later date. As an ongoing experiment and my ever-lasting search for a good aftermarket 2-ply round style replacement for Ohtsu Pro Am tires that came on these hardtails stock - I will be trying 4 SNOW tires. They are not stock size as they do not make 4 SNOWS in 25X12-9, however with 3 psi they are not too far off the original Pro Am dimensions. they offer the ride comfort of a stock tire plus they provide excellent forward bite. I will do a write up after my first REAL trail ride using them.

As another hardtail addition, I will be taking delivery on a 1985 ATC200S soon. I will be transforming it from it's beautiful OEM state to a Flat Track racer. Back when this bike was released by Honda, no one was racing hardtails anymore, as the 200X and 250Rs were available, even aftermarket rear suspension kits for this model and the 185S were readily available for the race minded. I want to make this like a vintage/vintage race bike. Like the old race bikes from 1979/1980 era. Back when 110s ruled the trike racing scene and folks were hopping them up. That is my vision for this 200S. More to come on that later.

Finally, with my two new additions being added to my hard tail stable, my love cup is full and running over with hardtails. really the simplest form of three wheeling, I have a place so special in my heart for them, and I have a few friends that are really into them too. We all have race bikes and vintage racers too, but lately - these little non-suspended buggers have been scratching my ATC itch like nothing else can. WORD!

DohcBikes
10-07-2016, 10:32 AM
Tim, i have quite a few 200m parts, lmk what you need, i might have it.

atctim
10-07-2016, 10:38 AM
Thanks DOHC - I will keep that in mind - I think I now have everything for it, but when I start breaking parts - I'll be in touch!

atctim
10-07-2016, 02:57 PM
Sadly, I do not have a picture or my entire collection. I wanted to get one this summer but it never happened. Either it will happen very soon or it will have to wait until spring time.

BOB MARLIN
10-07-2016, 03:14 PM
It's only about 25 per cent done. Slow project- but coming along.



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knappyfeet
10-07-2016, 03:42 PM
We all have race bikes and vintage racers too, but lately - these little non-suspended buggers have been scratching my ATC itch like nothing else can. WORD!

Love it...........I'm jealous.

3 Wheel Drive
10-11-2016, 07:14 PM
I got this car nearly 2 years ago. It barely drove to my friends shop under its own power.

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At first we were going to change a few plugs, then one thing led to another.....

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A little elbow grease & piles of cash goes a long way:

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fabiodriven
10-11-2016, 07:37 PM
You are plum crazy buoy!!

fabiodriven
10-11-2016, 09:00 PM
Boring build

I had gotten my hands on this old Onan generator for really short money in the spring and my aim was to have it ready for installation into my camper before Trikefest. It's probably from the 70's or 80's. I was building this at my house simultaneously as we were building the 480R at Dan's.

I thought the price was fair but after finding out what people pay for these the price was more than fair! It was extremely easy to work on with the only difficult part being sourcing parts for it. My brother (who knows everything) mocked me and told me not to waste my time, get a Honda, blah blah blah... He had me second guessing myself briefly but I just didn't have $2,000+ dollars to get in the Honda boat.

I had to weld the exhaust manifold which had cracked (a new one is $255!!) and rebuild the carburetor. It needed points as well, but other than that it just basically needed a serious degreasing. I was still second guessing myself after my brother's substantial amount of shite talking and concerned about how much time and effort I'd already put into this thing.

Upon the very first startup I already had a good feeling. It ran fantastic right off the bat. I was also concerned because I needed a needle and seat for the float and the only way to get the correct Walbro parts was $165!! You can't buy just the needle and seat, you have to buy the entire overpriced carburetor kit. I wasn't about to do that so I ended up looking at the pictures of Walbro needle and seat kits and found one that looked like it would work. It's definitely not the same as the one that was in there but it works!

After I knew it ran I installed it in the camper just assuming it would run the A/C and everything, and it certainly does. It's insanely smooth and quiet and the thing fires up so quickly it's almost startling.

Two downfalls of these; the facker makes some very noxious fumes, enough that I had to install a catalytic converter. Also it is THIRSTY! However it's quiet and powerful and for the amount I use it that's OK. I only just realized this about a month ago, but I can actually plug this pig into my house if I ever lose power and I'm good to go! We have some rough winters here so that's fantastic!

I was able to do a side-by-side comparison with a newer version from Onan, the direct replacement. When I saw it I was jealous, then I heard it run and it was very high strung and obnoxiously loud. This was the reason my brother was trying to steer me away from Onan, because he was familiar with the more modern offerings. I say modern but 2006 is like brand new to me. The really new ones could be much better.

So that's my boring build!

This was the day I got it home

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Header wrapped for noise and heat reduction

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Catalytic converter and two mufflers

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Battery selector switch so there should always be a fresh battery for cranking

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tripledog
10-11-2016, 09:39 PM
Gotta love the old stuff! If it were mine, I would name it "Onan The Barbarian". No greater satisfaction than proving a genius sibling wrong...

plastikosmd
10-11-2016, 10:36 PM
I can appreciate the white board directions. I need one for every old machine I own. " now was it 2 pumps on throttle at 1/2 choke or...o crap fouled it, it was wot an no choke..."

Nice work

knappyfeet
10-12-2016, 01:41 AM
Nice.

I had the same issue.....obnoxious fumes.........with mine. You have to run an up pipe like the Camco Genturi. Those fumes are obnoxious even with a cat installed. With an up exhaust it's much quieter and bye bye fumes.

I know for tailgating.......... Qualcomm stadium where the chargers play don't require one but many places do.....or something like that.

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El Camexican
10-12-2016, 07:39 AM
^^^Who would ever go to a Shart-gers game ......I haven`t gone since it was Jack Murphy stadium !........by me some peanuts and cracker jacks ........aaahhh that`ll be $46.78 oh my !

Come on Glamy, it's still fun to go to the games!!! You might even get lucky and get to see somebody stand for the anthem.

RamsesRibb
10-12-2016, 11:31 AM
Which anthem?
https://youtu.be/-GAHggrOCoA

Red Rider
10-13-2016, 08:46 PM
Here's my only build project lately. I got a new sectional couch setup over 2 years ago, and needed a table to fill some space behind the couch, as well as a place to put a favorite lamp. So, I started this table project shortly thereafter, then put it on hold when it was too hot to work out in the garage during the summertime. When it finally cooled down, I had lost interest, and/or had other things going on. Yada, yada, yada, and 2 years later it's finally done. Enjoy.

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tripledog
10-13-2016, 10:42 PM
^^^ tripledog likey!

3 Wheel Drive
10-13-2016, 11:51 PM
I drove this one home last October & started a build thread on it that turned into what I call the Chronicles of Barniea....

Most of it was me asking him stuff that got way off topic. Im ordering a new trunk pan, and a boat load of other stuff.

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The interior needs to be replaced aside from a number of small items. Im going to have this one sand blasted 100% this winter. I will make a new build thread for this car before it gets blasted.

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