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I've enjoyed all the intellectual talk here lately so I thought I'd change to a subject that I would like to form an opinion on. Musk is the darling of the media, an ultra smart and rich entrepreneur. But is he just a very suave con man? Read up here about the Solar City deal going on in my home town ($750 million in tax payers money spent here) with no real output yet. Low paying jobs. It doesn't sound very good to me.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40422079/can-elon-musk-get-solarcitys-gigafactory-back-on-track
Look at Tesla, their losses grow every year but somehow this guy is universally praised. Am I crazy to question this guy?
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/272130/net-loss-of-tesla/
Educate me people. Am I right to question this or is it just stuff that's over my level of understanding
fabiodriven
12-17-2017, 08:41 PM
I've tried multiple times to watch him speak and it hurts my head, I can't follow a single thought of his. I'm very good at deciphering broken English of many forms, but Musk's version of stammering and stuttering makes me feel like I'm staring at a strobe light or something.
I really wanted to learn about his new truck but it just left my head hurting. Is that harsh? Maybe I'm just too judgmental.
https://youtu.be/nONx_dgr55I
redsox
12-17-2017, 09:00 PM
Modern day PT Barnum. He's making money losing money. Subsidized, subsidized, subsidized. He's not stupid, but he's more of a "don king" genius then a "Nikola Tesla" genius. He's currently building the largest building in the world in Sparks, NV. If Tesla went under tomorrow, do you think Elon would be in the welfare line?
tripledog
12-17-2017, 09:14 PM
I thought this was going to be an aftershave thread...
Scootertrash
12-17-2017, 09:16 PM
In my honest opinion? The left will praise anything or anyone that embraces or tries to push forward with the leftist ideology, in this case it's "green" technology. If you do some digging you'll find that "going green" costs a lot of money.
Scootertrash
12-17-2017, 09:22 PM
I thought this was going to be an aftershave thread...
If you musk insist.......
https://realbusiness.co.uk/sales-and-marketing/2017/03/31/entrepreneur-elon-musk-breaks-ground-launching-fragrance/
I'm kinda skeered of what the "applicator tip" will look like.....
ooorrrr........
https://www.etsy.com/listing/565300755/elons-musk-musk-scented-car-air?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_c-accessories-keychains_and_lanyards-other&utm_custom1=6e7341da-c6e2-4acc-894e-e581ba33c033&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrsOmlrKS2AIVkrfACh2RyQT0EAYYASAB EgKWfvD_BwE
I've enjoyed all the intellectual talk here lately so I thought I'd change to a subject that I would like to form an opinion on. Musk is the darling of the media, an ultra smart and rich entrepreneur. But is he just a very suave con man? Read up here about the Solar City deal going on in my home town ($750 million in tax payers money spent here) with no real output yet. Low paying jobs. It doesn't sound very good to me.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40422079/can-elon-musk-get-solarcitys-gigafactory-back-on-track
Look at Tesla, their losses grow every year but somehow this guy is universally praised. Am I crazy to question this guy?
248484
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272130/net-loss-of-tesla/
Educate me people. Am I right to question this or is it just stuff that's over my level of understandingI'm more concerned with the amount of notifications on your phone.
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Scootertrash
12-17-2017, 09:31 PM
Modern day PT Barnum. He's making money losing money. Subsidized, subsidized, subsidized. He's not stupid, but he's more of a "don king" genius then a "Nikola Tesla" genius. He's currently building the largest building in the world in Sparks, NV. If Tesla went under tomorrow, do you think Elon would be in the welfare line?
Exactly.
This is why Mr. Musk is such a media "darling" and leftist hero:
https://www1.salary.com/Elon-Musk-Salary-Bonus-Stock-Options-for-TESLA-INC.html
I guaranf'ntee you he is pocketing money in some underhanded way. There is no way any of these Left-wing or right-wing "businessmen" go into business and "lose money". Not an F'n chance in hell.
redsox
12-17-2017, 09:56 PM
Ha!! Wow. That salary is unbelievable. He's best at spending other peoples money. Pay your taxes and he'll know better than you how to spend your money than you will, because he's a gatdam genius, Gump! I don't agree politically with Zuckerberg or Bezos or Gates, but i've got no beef with them because they made their respective fortunes on the backs of their ideas. Not so in this case. This guy Musk is a charlatan. Without Obama there is no Musk. Without tax dollars there is no Musk. His thirst to get his hands on Puerto Rico disaster funding was very telling. He's not looking to electrify any countries that don't get a zillion dollars in relief from good ole' blue collar schmucks and the US of A pocketbook. He's an opportunist. He reminds me of the tonic salesman in Josey Wales. i wonder, Elon, how's it work on stains?
Scootertrash
12-17-2017, 10:23 PM
Now if someone would just spit tobaccy on his coat
barnett468
12-17-2017, 11:44 PM
If you do some digging you'll find that "going green" costs a lot of money.
Not always. If you leave a pizza on the coffee table for a few days after the Super Bowl game you can go green for free!
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"On the eighth day of Christmas..."
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I'm more concerned with the amount of notifications on your phone.
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I don't even know what that all means? Why is there a basketball up there?
Exactly.
This is why Mr. Musk is such a media "darling" and leftist hero:
https://www1.salary.com/Elon-Musk-Salary-Bonus-Stock-Options-for-TESLA-INC.html
I guaranf'ntee you he is pocketing money in some underhanded way. There is no way any of these Left-wing or right-wing "businessmen" go into business and "lose money". Not an F'n chance in hell.
What really bugs me is how is he getting layed to loose over 2 billion dollars in under 10 years? Is this real life? If my company losses money this year I loose 3 wheelers, what the hell is he loosing?
El Camexican
12-17-2017, 11:54 PM
Can someone do me a solid and go onto YouTube and post up the Simpson’s video of the “Monorail” song? Can’t do it from my phoneme, but it fits this thread well.
In related news a friend told me there is soon to be a lithium shortage due to all the electrical storage demand.
barnett468
12-18-2017, 12:09 AM
What really bugs me is how is he getting layed to loose over 2 billion dollars in under 10 years?
Holy crap barn....you got layed just last week and were only able to loose 20 bucks...but that was in just 10 minutes!
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barnett468
12-18-2017, 12:16 AM
Can someone do me a solid and go onto YouTube and post up the Simpson’s video of the “Monorail” song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGg5rfBfWT4
PREVIOUS KAWASAKI INTERNATIONAL R & D PROJECT ENGINEER AND ATV DEPARTMENT SUPERVISOR AND THE ONLY PERSON ON 3WW WITHOUT AN EDIT BUTTON OR A STAR :Bounce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGg5rfBfWT4
PREVIOUS KAWASAKI INTERNATIONAL R & D PROJECT ENGINEER AND ATV DEPARTMENT SUPERVISOR AND THE ONLY PERSON ON 3WW WITHOUT AN EDIT BUTTON OR A STAR :BouncePhil Hartman was taken way too soon from us.
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redsox
12-18-2017, 07:37 AM
Very good. Well done, gentlemen.
Arky-X
12-18-2017, 02:47 PM
Can someone do me a solid and go onto YouTube and post up the Simpson’s video of the “Monorail” song? Can’t do it from my phoneme, but it fits this thread well.
In related news a friend told me there is soon to be a lithium shortage due to all the electrical storage demand.
Thanks! One of the best Simpsons ever!
My parents owned their own business and people like Musk is what my Dad would say has "the illusion of money."
Small business is so much different. Business loses money.....you lose money. Business makes money.....you invest it for the time you lose money. It's called personal responsibility. What incentive or risk is there if you get paid regardless? Business makes money.....you make lots of money. Business loses money......you don't make as much money.
El Camexican
12-18-2017, 10:06 PM
Thanks! One of the best Simpsons ever!
My parents owned their own business and people like Musk is what my Dad would say has "the illusion of money."
Small business is so much different. Business loses money.....you lose money. Business makes money.....you invest it for the time you lose money. It's called personal responsibility. What incentive or risk is there if you get paid regardless? Business makes money.....you make lots of money. Business loses money......you don't make as much money.
To me that episode and particularly that clip depict the kneejerk reaction of the Go Green movement. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for renewable energy, but some things like corn derived fuels seem pretty short sighted.
I don’t know if Mr. Tesla would have been impressed with this Musk fella, but he sure could have used his ability to finance his endeavors. Too bad they didn’t live at the same time.
redsox
12-18-2017, 10:17 PM
Tesla was up there with Di Vinci in genius. He was almost superhuman. But he was rolled over by men who were more adept at bullshit. Died poor and alone. He would have hated Elon, I think. Elon is equivalent to Edison.
El Camexican
12-18-2017, 10:41 PM
Tesla was up there with Di Vinci in genius. He was almost superhuman. But he was rolled over by men who were more adept at bullshit. Died poor and alone. He would have hated Elon, I think. Elon is equivalent to Edison.
Saw the apartment he died in on a bus tour in NYC. Very sad story.
El Camexican
12-18-2017, 11:37 PM
Speaking of sad ............you`ll be sad if you don`t buy one of Nico Suave`s chorts wit matching chirts !!!! ...........he`s the regular guy !
Slow down man! The regular guy line has tapped me out and the Chinese probably won’t deliver in time for Christmas. I’m cash poor and don’t have the capital to finance any more products! I could sure use a guy like Elon Musk around now eh Archie!
The Nico Suave Regular Guy line is nice, but I'm holding out for this spring's Nico Suave Wild and Crazy Guy suit
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El Camexican
12-19-2017, 01:39 AM
The Nico Suave Regular Guy line is nice, but I'm holding out for this spring's Nico Suave Wild and Crazy Guy suit
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At this rate I’m going to end up like Versace.
Scootertrash
12-19-2017, 08:29 AM
http://www.3wheelerworld.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=248505&d=1513652409
In chorts that baggy a boner would be intents
Scootertrash
12-19-2017, 11:38 AM
Why are you thinking about my boner?
ezmoney1979
12-19-2017, 09:15 PM
Ha!! Wow. That salary is unbelievable. He's best at spending other peoples money. Pay your taxes and he'll know better than you how to spend your money than you will, because he's a gatdam genius, Gump! I don't agree politically with Zuckerberg or Bezos or Gates, but i've got no beef with them because they made their respective fortunes on the backs of their ideas. Not so in this case. This guy Musk is a charlatan. Without Obama there is no Musk. Without tax dollars there is no Musk. His thirst to get his hands on Puerto Rico disaster funding was very telling. He's not looking to electrify any countries that don't get a zillion dollars in relief from good ole' blue collar schmucks and the US of A pocketbook. He's an opportunist. He reminds me of the tonic salesman in Josey Wales. i wonder, Elon, how's it work on stains?
What? "Without Obama there is no Musk." Wtf are you talking about? Dude sold PayPal and put almost 200 million in his pocket about 7 years before Obama was president.
redsox
12-20-2017, 10:06 AM
What? "Without Obama there is no Musk." Wtf are you talking about? Dude sold PayPal and put almost 200 million in his pocket about 7 years before Obama was president.
Was that a smart business decision, ya think? Is that why we're talking about Musk? Because of his 200 million dollar fortune? Or, because of his electric-motor-money-losing business? He's a darling of the left and his clean engines are the progressive wave of the future, no matter how much it costs taxpayers who don't want it.
ezmoney1979
12-20-2017, 11:24 AM
Was that a smart business decision, ya think? Is that why we're talking about Musk? Because of his 200 million dollar fortune? Or, because of his electric-motor-money-losing business? He's a darling of the left and his clean engines are the progressive wave of the future, no matter how much it costs taxpayers who don't want it.
I'm no fanboy, just pointing out how ridiculous your claims are. Obviously it was a smart decision, it allowed him to build himself up to his untouchable, "can't do wrong" persona.
El Camexican
12-20-2017, 12:58 PM
There we have it ..........ladies and gentlemen !...........it`s the regular guy analogy! .........he never steps on anyones toes .........that way he stays soooo popular .......yea ! ..........and now coming to a liquor store near you ............it`s the Regular Guy fake cocaine ......... YEA !!!........because the Regular Guy has a much higher moral standard then any Americans ..........hey ! (higher moral standards and fake cocaine sold separately) ........i don`t know if Tesla`s technology brought the twin Towers down on 911 but that Musk fella ..........wouldn`t be impressed ! ...........now worship my feet ..........Nico Suave ..............i`m gonna start hanging out with the DuDe
If this keeps up the Nico Suave Corporation is going to pull all its advertising from the Glamyvision Network
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Scootertrash
12-20-2017, 02:24 PM
It appears that the Nick Suave Corporation should branch off into wimmenz underwear and come up with knot-proof panties. Glamy could be your beta tester since he seems to have a recurring problem with knotted panties. Unknotted panties would also help keep sand out of his vajayjay.
redsox
12-20-2017, 10:12 PM
I'm no fanboy, just pointing out how ridiculous your claims are. Obviously it was a smart decision, it allowed him to build himself up to his untouchable, "can't do wrong" persona.
So, his "sale" of Paypal allowed him to build himself up to his untouchable persona? He was well out of Paypal before its sale. he was a hinderance to Paypal, who got canned. He had talked his way into shares of the company before it got sold, and that, my friend, is his great business mind. Become a virus that the real owners buy out with worthless shares because you're a cancer. Do it a hundred times, and, if one of the companies hits it big,,,, boom,, you're a star. Take a look at the names Thiel and Levchin. Also, take a look at what 200 million is in terms of big boy economy. Someone worth 200 mil is closer to "us" than "them". And John, ,, this is a late reply, but you're inability to understand him is not due to a shortcoming on your part, or a stroke of genius on his part,,, its because he's slinging bullshit and you have no appetite for it. But, ya, believe in tony stark,,, he's gonna take us to mars.
ezmoney1979
12-21-2017, 02:22 AM
So, his "sale" of Paypal allowed him to build himself up to his untouchable persona? He was well out of Paypal before its sale. he was a hinderance to Paypal, who got canned. He had talked his way into shares of the company before it got sold, and that, my friend, is his great business mind. Become a virus that the real owners buy out with worthless shares because you're a cancer. Do it a hundred times, and, if one of the companies hits it big,,,, boom,, you're a star. Take a look at the names Thiel and Levchin. Also, take a look at what 200 million is in terms of big boy economy. Someone worth 200 mil is closer to "us" than "them". And John, ,, this is a late reply, but you're inability to understand him is not due to a shortcoming on your part, or a stroke of genius on his part,,, its because he's slinging bullshit and you have no appetite for it. But, ya, believe in tony stark,,, he's gonna take us to mars.
Wtf? Dude is worth 21 BILLION, very much in "big boy economy". Taught himself computer programming, huge proponent of renewable energy, has a few degrees.......... But go ahead, throw out the great "Obama" Neanderthal response to some progression lol.
redsox
12-21-2017, 11:46 AM
Wtf? Dude is worth 21 BILLION, very much in "big boy economy". Taught himself computer programming, huge proponent of renewable energy, has a few degrees.......... But go ahead, throw out the great "Obama" Neanderthal response to some progression lol.
Yup. Renewable Energy. Exactly. From 200 million to 21 billion on the back of a technology that hasn't earned a dime. Its like i'm writing your responses. We will see, i think, in the near future, who's right about him. Maybe i'm wrong. Maybe i'm to obtuse to see the light. The won't be a 50 year debate. I think he'll be exposed in the next 5-10. If not, then maybe he's legit.
fabiodriven
12-21-2017, 01:09 PM
The thing you're not seeing Dan (and new best friend Scooter), or don't care about, is there are alternative forms of energy available that are not detrimental to mother earth. Now, far be it for me to point my fingers at anyone who isn't "green". My 7.3 makes as much pollution as approximately ninety 2017 Ford diesel trucks, and that's far from the only machine I own that produces pollution.
The reason why it takes so much money to fight big oil is because they own everything. If some other form of energy were to come along that were as convenient and "affordable" as fossil fuel based machines, big oil would be in big trouble. If Tesla were not overrun during his hey day, we very well may not have had big block Chevelles and Roadrunners. We very well could be living in a completely alternate reality right now if a different utility (alternating current provided by hard wire) were never forced to be our best choice.
Solar energy is free energy. The wind and waves produce free energy as well. The collection of said energies costs next to nothing, however the production of the equipment is not free obviously. The reason it costs as much as it does is the false value that mankind instills in a piece of paper, money.
You guys are more concerned with a piece of paper, or a bunch of pieces of paper, which have absolutely no value whatsoever outside of what mankind has imagined, and you guys are seriously more concerned about worthless pieces of paper over the well being of the very rock we stand on. Without this rock, your paper product doesn't exist, nothing does, yet you have trouble seeing the importance of where your first concerns should lie?
It's not a money issue, this country prints money as they need it. This country has no shortage of money, I promise you that.
redsox
12-21-2017, 02:38 PM
The thing you're not seeing Dan (and new best friend Scooter), or don't care about, is there are alternative forms of energy available that are not detrimental to mother earth. Now, far be it for me to point my fingers at anyone who isn't "green". My 7.3 makes as much pollution as approximately ninety 2017 Ford diesel trucks, and that's far from the only machine I own that produces pollution.
The reason why it takes so much money to fight big oil is because they own everything. If some other form of energy were to come along that were as convenient and "affordable" as fossil fuel based machines, big oil would be in big trouble. If Tesla were not overrun during his hey day, we very well may not have had big block Chevelles and Roadrunners. We very well could be living in a completely alternate reality right now if a different utility (alternating current provided by hard wire) were never forced to be our best choice.
Solar energy is free energy. The wind and waves produce free energy as well. The collection of said energies costs next to nothing, however the production of the equipment is not free obviously. The reason it costs as much as it does is the false value that mankind instills in a piece of paper, money.
You guys are more concerned with a piece of paper, or a bunch of pieces of paper, which have absolutely no value whatsoever outside of what mankind has imagined, and you guys are seriously more concerned about worthless pieces of paper over the well being of the very rock we stand on. Without this rock, your paper product doesn't exist, nothing does, yet you have trouble seeing the importance of where your first concerns should lie?
It's not a money issue, this country prints money as they need it. This country has no shortage of money, I promise you that. If you think this is about money, you may want to think again.
I don't really disagree with much of that John. And energy sources, green or otherwise are not really the subject at hand. My comments have been directed at the charade that I believe is being propagated by Elon Musk to suck tax dollars. Nothing more.
redsox
01-06-2018, 08:03 AM
https://futurism.com/tesla-failed-meet-elon-musks-model-3-goals-now-what/
Keep demand high by not filling orders on promised cars that you're selling at a price lower than it costs to build them. I must be to dense to appreciate this guys delicate genius.
Scootertrash
01-06-2018, 08:50 AM
And when the company goes bankrupt it won't be his fault, and he'll still be a genius. :rolleyes:
74,500.00 for a base model S with the smallest battery. That doesn't include Fed taxes and the taxes applicable in your home state. Quite affordable for the average American, no?
redsox
01-06-2018, 02:41 PM
He reminds me of Joel Osteen. They look alike, they both want our money, and both will promise to make you feel good, IF YOU JUST BELIEVE!!
ironchop
01-06-2018, 10:49 PM
It all reminds me of alot of other government subsidized 'green energy' projects. Throwing billions into a hole and then lighting it on fire. Of course, we all know that those dollars didn't vaporize into carbon. They went into somebody's pockets.
I wonder how much it would cost me in political donations to buy myself a green energy subsidy. Maybe $50K minimum?
It's the one industry that seems exempt from actually producing anything tangible in exchange for millions in handouts from taxpayers. Military contractors have to produce weapons. Infrastructure contractors have to build roads and bridges. NASA has to shoot something into space or blow it up and kill everyone trying. Seems like Green energy initiatives are out billions and are, what now, 0 for 5 or 6? Hyperloops, electric cars, air scrubbers, carbon credits, solar farms, wind farms. Where are they? Was the whole damn pile spent on a PR and advertising campaign?
It all smells like boloney to me and Musk has been hoggin the tit for a decade or more now. He's a hype man. Nothing more. All that he takes credit for are things developed by the real superstars. It's just a coincidence that he can afford the best and brightest Tech has to offer. He's the pathetic Edison who rips off or pays off the Teslas of our generation to make him look good so he too can get a welfare check from Unky Sam.
I wonder how much of the environment and precious natural resources were wasted on all these failed projects.
These are all schemes that use environmentalism as a justification to make themselves rich and guilt or scare the public into supporting. Meanwhile we all consume more than ever before each and every day.
Here's a prediction.... someday soon, they'll either increase the gasoline tax substantially or invent some new tax to fund subsidizing half of America to purchase new electric cars because 'green energy'. They'll tell you it's to help stop 'climate change'. They'll tell you it 'creates jobs'. They'll tell you it will help prevent transportation inequality. Reduce harmful emissions. Reduce dependence on foreign oil. Reduce dependence on domestic drilling and fracking. Reduce noise pollution. They'll say it will spawn thousands of 'mom and pop' recharging stations and other small business opportunities. They'll swear your soul salvation.
What you will get is a hype man digging massive pits into the Earth to dig up lithium and creating a whole new mining industry to smash mountaintops and poison the creeks. Rip thru habitats and change landscapes forever. All while patting themselves on the back, collecting awards from from foundations, and doing interviews on television and other media and being worshipped by the weak-minded sycophants whom fancy themselves 'champions of the environment'
Anyone with a background in Manufacturing knows that building a car or most other complex machinery produces far more waste and environmental damage than all the driving or using of that machine you would ever do in it's lifetime. Think about that very carefully. Every component has a factory to manufacture it and every one of those factories requires a supply chain of resources and equipment of its own in order to achieve it. The single car is the top of the pyramid with a base of hundreds and sometimes thousands of affiliated businesses required. From mining the ore, to forging the steel and aluminum, to the production of plastics and resins, the manufacture of the paint, cloth for interiors, transportation of all these goods and resources, rubber manufacturing, machining, stamping, welding, painting, all the subsequent consumables down to the toilet paper in the plant restrooms. All so that you can have a Chevy Volt and cruise around saying stupid stuff like "I decided I wanted to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem" being to friggin smug to know just how much your sissy car kicked a bigger hole in the ozone layer because you're self-righteous and easily influenced.
Side note: I remember the "Ice Age" we were supposed to get because of smog in the 70's.....in the 80's they said "acid rain" was destroying all the buildings and statues and the paint on our cars (im not making this up) because pollution from coal AND there was a huge hole in the ozone layer and we would all fry to death because of carb cleaner and hairspray...in the 90s it was "global warming"....in the millennium it was "climate change"
I'm losing track
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Scootertrash
01-07-2018, 10:47 AM
What you will get is a hype man digging massive pits into the Earth to dig up lithium and creating a whole new mining industry to smash mountaintops and poison the creeks. Rip thru habitats and change landscapes forever. All while patting themselves on the back, collecting awards from from foundations, and doing interviews on television and other media and being worshipped by the weak-minded sycophants whom fancy themselves 'champions of the environment'
And those hype men and their fanbois and cheerleaders are ALWAYS the worst offenders when it comes to pollution. Flying private jets, driving big arse gas guzzling limos and huge yachts to all of these "green" conferences all to tell people that the public is the problem, not them.
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fabiodriven
01-07-2018, 11:14 AM
So you think mankind is manipulating the weather Scooter? That's quite the conspiracy.
ironchop
01-07-2018, 12:13 PM
So you think mankind is manipulating the weather Scooter? That's quite the conspiracy.There should be a new thread on this.
I've been reading up on HAARP being an obsolete technology and that it's a red herring for the newer, much more effective weather control technology.
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redsox
01-07-2018, 01:05 PM
It all comes back to the same thing with me. All of these scenarios work their way around to the same basic premise. One question to determine how much conspiracy-stock you will buy. That question is, "What level of faith do you have in the ability of mankind?" My answer is, very little. I do think that man would control the weather if he could. But man can't figure out how to park in the snow. I simply do not believe that we are as much "in control" as most of us think. And i'm not eluding to some government control or corporation control or anything. I'm talking about our position on the planet and in the universe on a grand scale. We are ants. And, dumb ants at that. In 50 years the lot of us will be regarded as morons. Neanderthals feeling around in the dark. I don't think we control the weather any more than the frogs do.
Scootertrash
01-07-2018, 01:25 PM
So you think mankind is manipulating the weather Scooter? That's quite the conspiracy.
No such thing as a conspiracy
The term "conspiracy theory" is a term invented by those who have something to hide. Labeling something a conspiracy or someone a conspiracy theorist is intended to automatically discount the supposed "conspiracy theorist's" point of view. It's a way of discrediting those who question the canned answers we're fed.
I'm quite sure, even tho I am unable to find the thread, that HARRP was covered in a thread right here on 3WW.......Although it's possible I am incorrect.
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fabiodriven
01-07-2018, 01:34 PM
It all comes back to the same thing with me. All of these scenarios work their way around to the same basic premise. One question to determine how much conspiracy-stock you will buy. That question is, "What level of faith do you have in the ability of mankind?" My answer is, very little. I do think that man would control the weather if he could. But man can't figure out how to park in the snow. I simply do not believe that we are as much "in control" as most of us think. And i'm not eluding to some government control or corporation control or anything. I'm talking about our position on the planet and in the universe on a grand scale. We are ants. And, dumb ants at that. In 50 years the lot of us will be regarded as morons. Neanderthals feeling around in the dark. I don't think we control the weather any more than the frogs do.
"We" are products of our environment, which is very, very dumb, but we can make much more of ourselves if "we" realize how much more is out there that's kept from "us".
Mankind as a whole on the other hand is capable of far more than most people are able to imagine in my opinion.
sledcrazyinCT
01-30-2018, 02:35 PM
Elon Musk is Now Selling Flame Throwers
Musk has netted millions in pre-orders for what he calls "the world's safest flame thrower."
Elon Musk likes to be ahead of the pack on everything from electric cars to rocket ships, so it’s really no surprise when he decides to enter markets that might be… let’s just say… unusual.But even for Elon, this one’s a little weird. The Boring Company, which is Musk’s underground tunnel construction company that he established, seemingly, after an offhand Tweet about how frustrated he was by traffic in Los Angeles, has been having even more fun with Twitter.Just before the end of the year, Musk Tweeted that if Boring Company could sell 50,000 branded hats that he would start selling flame throwers, something he said was “a little off-brand, but kids love it.”Ha… good one. Except not a joke, because Boring has already released promotional video showing company logoed flame throwers being casually hoisted about, even going so far as posting them for sale on their website and offering pre-orders. Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-is-now-selling-flamethrowers-2018-1) is reporting that, so far, Boring has sold 4,000 of the $500 flame throwers – with a future inventory of 20,000 total available.The item listing (https://www.boringcompany.com/flamethrower/) describes the product as “the world’s safest flame thrower,” which is confusing in so many ways. Musk has assured us that he is not trying to prepare for a zombie apocalypse, though it will be interesting to see when the first moron with a flame thrower starts a huge fire or inflicts great physical harm upon a non-zombie.But Musk is not concerned. When followers voiced some hesitation on Twitter about the new line, he responded (https://www.sfgate.com/technology/article/Elon-Musk-flamethrower-500-Boring-Company-sale-12532014.php) that not only is a 10-foot or smaller flame thrower perfectly legal by ATF guidelines, but this specific one is designed to offer maximum fun for minimal danger. He goes on to say that he’d personally be more scared of a steak knife.
Scootertrash
01-31-2018, 08:37 AM
500.00 for a propane torch?
These guys have been selling flamethrowers for awhile now. Something, you know, that actually throws a flame:
http://xm42.com/
Scootertrash
02-03-2018, 10:52 AM
More on Mr Musk, the environmental hero.......
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-teardown-by-engineering-firm-reveals-qual-1822678045/amp
https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/01/tesla-uses-auto-leases-to-raise-546-million-in-asset-backed-securities/
https://www.salon.com/2018/02/12/why-sending-a-tesla-into-orbit-is-a-slap-in-the-face-to-science/
fabiodriven
02-13-2018, 01:01 PM
Scientists are upset that Musk has sent the cargo of his choice to space instead of their scientific research satellites. I'm not particularly a fan of Musk or not, but there are a lot of things that some people wish that they could have from others but it doesn't work that way. Does the person driving a Yugo deserve for a Ferrari owner to buy them a better car because the Ferrari owner can afford it? Should a person who gets $500 meals be obligated to cater to what people who can only eat at McDonald's want? I don't think so. Musk's company, Musk's money, Musk's business what he does with both.
I'm (loosely) part of a discussion on the book right now, these people think every space launch ever has been fake. They think all the footage of space we've ever been shown has been faked. They don't think the car is even up there. I don't know what to think.
Edit- I actually don't know what the people in the discussion on the book believe.
El Camexican
02-13-2018, 01:23 PM
Scientists are upset that Musk has sent the cargo of his choice to space instead of their scientific research satellites. I'm not particularly a fan of Musk or not, but there are a lot of things that some people wish that they could have from others but it doesn't work that way. Does the person driving a Yugo deserve for a Ferrari owner to buy them a better car because the Ferrari owner can afford it? Should a person who gets $500 meals be obligated to cater to what people who can only eat at McDonald's want? I don't think so. Musk's company, Musk's money, Musk's business what he does with either.
I'm (loosely) part of a discussion on the book right now, these people think every space launch ever has been fake. They think all the footage of space we've ever been shown has been faked. They don't think the car is even up there. I don't know what to think.
25,000 miles per hour and not a cop in sight. I say go for it.:Bounce
Tri-Z 250
02-13-2018, 07:17 PM
I think putting that car into space to orbit the sun to land on mars, servers no wisdom in my book. If it's a way to gain info on a future man flight, I understand. To me it's a MTV wet dream 80's flashback to litter space. Hope the Alien's don't send it back like a misssle asteroid for a stupid sales gimmick.
ironchop
02-14-2018, 11:04 AM
Part of the problem is that our "culture" (lol....for lack of a better word) still likes to shower worship on "Idea Men" rather than the REAL brains behind the curtain. Musk is an actor, a salesman, and a lobbyist.....all three of those things rely on deception and manipulation to achieve success. Guys like Musk are basically worthless for anything other than hype.
It's sad to see NASA....real science, real research, real experience take a backseat to some salesman with increasingly radical notions and an inflated sense of self-importance. If Musk is the future of space travel, we're screwed. I foresee billboards on the moon and the elite crafting an Elysium wheel off-planet where they can escape the environmental hell hole they created with all their "technological advancements"....as we know, environmentalism means nothing to these people if it interferes with cash flow or "innovation" (another excuse to plunder resources while pretending to be a friend of the Earth while blaming Bob for driving an SUV)(deflection is the new Science)
So he launches junk into orbit? We sure need more junk in space. I hope it re-enters the atmosphere and lands on his house in Denver
This guy is a tool and a drain on capital, natural resources, and my patience.
He's like an iPhone......much ado about nothing.
Real scientists are rockstars. Musk is yet another cameo player in the Hype cult of personality we have here in America. Where "reasonable" people listen to professional liars called actors and politicians and take their opinions, no matter how disconnected and irrational, at face value and behave and vote accordingly.
We worship sports ball stars who fight dogs and their wives. We worship actors with priveledge who lecture us about priveledge. We worship social media figures with obvious Narcissism issues. We worship some elite even while resenting them for being elite. We worship our reflection in the screen of our camera phone. We worship ridiculous political ideologies no matter how big a failure they've proven to be. We worship snark and irony. We worship consumerism and materialism. We worship ourselves as gods. When any of these things reveal our own insecurities and issues, we tear them down just as quickly and brutally as possible.
We wouldn't know what a true leader looked like if it smacked us in the face. Can anyone point out an innovator? Or are we just pointing at front men and spokespeople?..... I've thought about building a real lightsabre. I have no actual training that would have qualified me or prepared me to undertake the actual development of a working lightsabre so why do I get to take credit when my team of scientists whip me out a lightsabre? I had no input outside of my own mouth and someone else's wallet but I am somehow praised as an "innovator" and a social hero deserving of worship like Gates, Jobs, etc.
People worship hype men like Elon for the same reason everyone thinks Beyonce is awesome and doesn't look like a Holstein cow thundering across the stage while "dancing"....because they're fools
And like attracts like.
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Tri-Z 250
02-14-2018, 11:55 AM
I don't know what an machine operator might make in a gold mine on Earth running heavy equipment. I gotta imagine doing the same job on the moon pays way more. Keep your eye on goal here and the mineral rich unclamed land. Captitalism at its best...Want to involve yourself in Future Enegery invest with the sources who will fund such projects. NASA the biggest slowed downed agency in Goverment...so the privateer could catch-up? You can't fill the pockets of Congress and Lawmakers who make the rules to suit their greed though a tax dollar run entity. We all can't live in one with the Earth like the Tribes of the Americas. We are grossly over populated and fat from the wealth of Inovations. I do believe also we are far less advanced than those who walked this planet before us....but somehow the Earth was reset, great floods, plague, earthquake what ever device, knowledge was lost. We are all consumers I bank on that.
ironchop
02-14-2018, 12:06 PM
I don't know what an machine operator might make in a gold mine on Earth running heavy equipment. I gotta imagine doing the same job on the moon pays way more. Keep your eye on goal here and the mineral rich unclamed land. Captitalism at its best...if want to involve yourself in Future Enegery invest with the sources who will fund such projects. NASA the biggest slowed downed agency in Goverment...so the privateer could catch-up? You can't fill the pockets of Congress and Lawmakers who make the rules to suit their greed though a tax dollar run entity. We all can't live in one with the Earth like the Tribes of the Americas. We are grossly over populated and fat from the wealth of Inovations. I do believe also we are far less advanced than those who walked this planet before us....but somehow the Earth was reset, great floods, plague, earthquake what ever device, knowledge was lost. We are all consumers I bank on that.
Problem with that argument is that he's NOT a privateer.....he's subsidized by taxpayers just like NASA
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
Oh and about his claim of "repaying government loans early"....not so fast...
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015/06/07/government-subsidies-helped-elon-musk/id=58427/
So that means with taxpayer subsidies, NASA has managed moon landings, satellites everywhere, explore Mars, lightly explored solar system.....what has Musk given us for the money? A car orbiting the Earth that may or may not catch on fire? Some ideas? Lots of hype? Hyperloops? Nanocarbon elevators to nowhere?
Yeah in my opinion, one is no different than the other whereas the taxpayer is concerned but only one has delivered anything of value whatsoever and it's not Elon Musk.
No such thing as a privateer at this level of the game. They all prey off government subsidies, or corporate tax breaks equal to a subsidy, and laws which enable them vast power to do as they wish in the name of innovation or else these huge wastes of capital wouldn't happen. That's not real capitalism or a free market system at all.
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ironchop
02-14-2018, 12:34 PM
NASA is a lying sac of sh!t !........i can`t even believe they`re still playing with rockets ..........oh and it`s all kept away from you in the name of National Security and your benefit ! .........i`m sorry Trillions of tax dollars to support covert operations like nuking an Alien moon base........free energy weapons that could disintegrate 100 story buildings into dust.........we should be living a much better life then we are..........our government.........is a National disgrace...........rockets and pea shooters ........Buaw hahahahahaha !![emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] ok I concede....
My new position is that Elon should have done a better job at suppressing alien technologies and races, suppressing mankind on Earth, and faking the space race like NASA did for the money.
That still makes NASA better at subsidized oppression than Musk....take that!
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Shep1970
02-14-2018, 12:39 PM
Glamy, i tell you nothing beats the old light’em and aim kind (son found my stash the other day) 250232
Of course the powder is old and dry-vry quick fuses- cops will probably show up like the world is ending...
Shep
Tri-Z 250
02-14-2018, 01:20 PM
I admit the term Privateer is as close as I could get, he's no doubt already got his people in line to get funded by tax dollars. New enegry funding exist just like highway funding it's those that lobby it one way to the thumbs up/down club.
I just wonder how the EPA is going to choke the public down so they can pollute for profit. Going Green costs $ up and down the scale it's the choice made by those whom now look like they can't find an email; or go to extended lengths to prove nothing but brakes on the truth umungest their own. Every car on the road today can run on Natural Gas...topic has been talked at length, I know. As an example since 1968 this would have got us OFF the oil titty of the Far East. Just think cleaner more efficient easily refined and cheap in Abundance under your feet..but we'd have no Wars or Occupation of Foregin lands and Anti Frackers and most likely would have avoided the Econimic crash and the downing of the dollar.
Shep1970
02-14-2018, 01:41 PM
Oh’ ya- i just put my boxers on glamy “ its valentines day” dont you all have em- ha
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Shep
fabiodriven
02-14-2018, 01:49 PM
I agree very much with Glamy. For those who don't understand Glaminese, I believe mankind already has technology far ahead of what we're shown. I believe NASA was a farce, or a front, to keep people thinking we're still in the rocket and fossil fuel age. I believe either free energy has already been obtained or something close to that, and interstellar, possibly interdimensional travel are already here. These reasons would answer the question "why" when people discuss whether or not space footage is fake. I recently saw a video of astronauts "floating" around the space station, yet one was clearly suspended with wires. I always thought that the people who didn't believe space footage was real might be a little off, then I saw the video of an astronaut clearly held up with wires.
Why fake space walks, launches, flights? To keep people thinking we're still in the age of rockets.
Why keep people thinking we're in the age of rockets? Because if they were aware of free energy, they would want their piece (rightfully so).
Why hide free energy? Because fossil fuels are far too profitable to let go of right now, and also free energy will put human kind on a much more level playing field. Those currently wielding power will be brought down a peg, and mere peasants could be brought up. We can't have that now, can we?
Tri-Z 250
02-14-2018, 02:33 PM
I believe Glamy has actually sat down and played The Dark Side of the Moon to The Wisard of Oz movie too.
fabiodriven
02-14-2018, 05:24 PM
I believe Glamy has actually sat down and played The Dark Side of the Moon to The Wisard of Oz movie too.
I have actually done that. There may have been psychedelics involved.
redsox
02-14-2018, 07:01 PM
I've done that also. No doubt in my mind Floyd wrote the album to the movie. Chop, great post about the public funding. Its a joke. Also, and this will come as no shock to anyone,,, I am a Nasa fan and believe the moon landing.
El Camexican
02-14-2018, 08:56 PM
I've done that also. No doubt in my mind Floyd wrote the album to the movie.
Or did they make the movie to the album? Whoa! Mind freak!!!
fabiodriven
02-14-2018, 10:42 PM
We watched "The Wall" religiously. Anyone who has seen that movie NOT on psychedelics has never truly seen that movie. It makes absolutely no sense, unless you can see it. I was amazed that other human beings could produce something so... Honestly I can't put it into words. You'd have to see for yourself.
83ATC185
02-15-2018, 09:32 AM
We watched "The Wall" religiously. Anyone who has seen that movie NOT on psychedelics has never truly seen that movie. It makes absolutely no sense, unless you can see it. I was amazed that other human beings could produce something so... Honestly I can't put it into words. You'd have to see for yourself.
It's one of my favorite movies although I have a hard time explaining why. I've seen it both ways multiple times. It's one of the deepest movies ever made, one of the best depictions of what an internal struggle and dealing with guilt, and having difficulty relating to others feels like. An experience like no other. fwiw i enjoy it more when i'm melted.
A local paper quoted EM as saying that his ultimate goal was to put a city on Mars. He also made mention that it will be the capitalist spirit that gets us there. Seems like more of his usual "I can't do this without your money", i can't help but wonder if he's actually sat and thought about what it would take to populate mars. As it stands, its at least a 6 month, one way trip there, unless of course they know something that we all don't :wondering
redsox
02-15-2018, 09:49 AM
I know it keeps getting diverted away from topic, and maybe Floyd should have their own thread, but you hear "Listen Son, said the man with the Gun" and the Scarecrow is holding a gun for that split second, and its the second time through the album, its pretty uncanny and hard to explain. They are smart guys, I think, who used heavy heavy doses of mind expanding drugs to create some amazing stuff.
Tri-Z 250
02-15-2018, 11:47 AM
I know you got a hard on for me and i`m glad ........make no mistake i despise your kind .........BORING ! ........i know you must be a Tim Sr. fan..... yeah try trippin you might learn something about yourself .........maybe not.......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
We'll have you watched it? It's really not important, but your expanded mind is really off here Glammasterflash. My respect for Tim Sr. is one of the same Respect I lend to you and any member here. Since you really have no real experiences with me to despise me shows me your lack of respect to your superior expansion. To mention a guy that chipped away at the system and surrounded himself with track owners/promoters via Respect and Undeniable dedication. He was able to grab a core group to race which lead the way to the Longest running 3Wheeler Series to date. The politics of his camp never offended me, but a great deal of time and Respect was shared, for the good of the Group. Just because I supported the OTC as I could my feeling is: If it wasn't for the Effort given, none of us would be able to race along with a true National Series like NEEDT today or smaller TT MX Events driven by former racers of the very same point series.
It's only water...It's only fire....It's only LOVE.
7Walkers told me...Someday you'll see
Come to think of it Glamy to know me you might meet my wife Rosalee before you take me off the Christmas card list.
Sorry Amos Lee There I Go Again, getting off topic.
I'm pretty sure my first boner was caused by Judy Garland in that movie. Fabio and I were just talking about her in that movie a couple weeks ago, crazy coincidence
fabiodriven
02-26-2018, 03:02 AM
I'm pretty sure my first boner was caused by Judy Garland in that movie. Fabio and I were just talking about her in that movie a couple weeks ago, crazy coincidence
Lmfao, that we were! Sorry I missed this post.
So I have found a point that I stand by Mr Lusk on.
https://youtu.be/P0t2oFRIFuE
Dirtcrasher
02-27-2018, 02:10 PM
Fake X car in space, sure...
Scootertrash
04-21-2018, 08:43 AM
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.........
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-elon-musk-tunnel-ceqa-20180418-story.html
On Wednesday, the Los Angeles City Council's public works committee unanimously approved an environmental review exemption for a tunnel that could run 2.7 miles through West Los Angeles, providing a space for Musk's Boring Co. engineers to hone digging techniques and test their proposed transportation technology.
ironchop
04-21-2018, 09:23 AM
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.........
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-elon-musk-tunnel-ceqa-20180418-story.htmlThey only care about the environmental impact of Conservative voters.
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I stopped at a big tourist gas station today near Billy Golightly's hometown and in the time it took me to eat a bowl of Ice cream I saw 3 teslas pull into the charging station. I was shocked.
I probably should have said this earlier, I'm not opposed to the forward movement of the human race, cleaner environment and more efficient travel. I just don't think this guy is everything he's portrayed to be. Tesla stock was downgraded last month, adding to a lot of other problems he's got going on.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/02/elon-musks-bad-spell-continues-amid-spat-national-transportation-safety-board/477547002/
ironchop
04-21-2018, 10:19 PM
...
I probably should have said this earlier, I'm not opposed to the forward movement of the human race, cleaner environment and more efficient travel....
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement
I would run an electric trike if the charge lasted longer than 20 minutes
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tripledog
04-21-2018, 10:53 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement
I would run an electric trike if the charge lasted longer than 20 minutes
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Seek medical attention for a charge lasting longer than 20 minutes...
Scootertrash
04-22-2018, 03:16 AM
It would have to propel me fast enough to relive my childhood:
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Scootertrash
04-22-2018, 08:32 AM
The girl in that first pic appears to be stringing us along......
tripledog
04-22-2018, 08:52 AM
The girl in that first pic appears to be stringing us along......
I was thinking the same thong.
Scootertrash
04-22-2018, 11:06 AM
What kind of y-se crack is that?
tripledog
04-22-2018, 11:20 AM
What kind of y-se crack is that?
In reference to the picture, it appears to be one of the natural born female variety.
sledcrazyinCT
05-01-2018, 09:44 PM
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-elon-musk-tunnel-ceqa-20180418-story.html
Musk appears to be getting a fast track approval for his BORING Company to experiment drilling 2.7 miles of tunnels under LA. Doesn't sound like a good idea to try in a populated area IMO
ironchop
05-01-2018, 09:57 PM
... Doesn't sound like a good idea to try in a populated area IMO
Or near a huge fault line
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ironchop
05-02-2018, 10:10 AM
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-elon-musk-tunnel-ceqa-20180418-story.html
Musk appears to be getting a fast track approval for his BORING Company to experiment drilling 2.7 miles of tunnels under LA. Doesn't sound like a good idea to try in a populated area IMOMaybe that's where they'll hide all those embarrassing homeless ppl. Out of sight, out of mind.
Like in Demolition Man
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$700 million loss in the 1st quarter
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-behavior-hurts-company-2018-5
ironchop
05-13-2018, 10:04 AM
$700 million loss in the 1st quarter
http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-behavior-hurts-company-2018-5I can't wait to see his epic meltdown. Idea men cant macro or micromanage companies. Interesting that his salary package keeps getting bigger. Taxpayer subsides and investor cash pours in and still they lose money and fail to have even, what, one percent of the auto market after all this time and billions spent? Tesla and Solar City are elaborate Ponzi schemes by all outward appearance.
This new age where companies go fifteen years without a single dollar of profit because "reinvesting in our future" absolutely blows my mind. Social media giants all seem to have a money printer in their basements too. That money has to come from somewhere and what kind of investment firm and hedge fund manager can last disappointing their clients year after year before they start losing clients to safer and more profitable investments and funds? Am I misunderstanding something here?
http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/28/news/companies/tesla-model-3-cash-crunch/index.html
It's been my understanding that any money Tesla makes gets poured back into "investing in the company's future" by constantly reinvesting in upgrades and new automation or building charging stations or developing battery technology, blah, blah, blah. On top of "reinvesting any profits", they borrow even more money on top of what they already owe...if Zuckerberg can IPO at a thoroughly bloated valuation he pulled out of his arse without any real data to back it up, who's to say that Musk is truly reinvesting all these "profits" rather than just spreading money around to his buddies and cousin and brother? Who's to say he's not lying thru his teeth? .....it's like a John Prine song.... "there's a hole in Elons pocket where all the money goes"
"Reinvesting in our future" really means Elon bought another house....to entertain future guests and investors and probably got to write it off because his dining room seats 200 ppl like Bill Gates' house and is therefore a "business expense"
How many investors are REALLY looking at the books and demanding the accountability? The whole damn thing is built, and profits or loses, based on faith and trust. It's like legalized gambling except casinos don't have the SEC
And why did the SEC go after Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos so quickly for basically being only slightly more full of shyte than Musk but hasn't even blinked an eye at Elons pyramid schemery?
Maybe Holmes was a Republican (my own paranoia) or maybe, she ripped off big time players like Madoff did.....haha "Madoff because he Made-off with yer money"....sorry, I got distracted in stream of consciousness
And regarding Theranos, outside of the whole "She's a self made billionaire woman therefore Girl Power" thing, the media gave Theranos and Holmes nowhere near the benefit of the doubt that they afford to God Musk. Most media and financial coverage has started with "despite only profiting in one Q in 15 yrs" and ending with "but it will all get better and naysayers and short sellers will be sorry just like that one time with __________ Incorporated"....the Musk worship is sickening with everyone riding his dick and looking the other way.
How is taking $1000 deposit on a car from thousands of people (over $1 billion in deposits worth) and failing to deliver month after promised month NOT fraud?
And I wish the media would quit saying "but Amazon" because Amazon was a totally different model and sold products that someone else was already manufacturing and had already continually reinvested in before Amazon came along. Those two are NOT the same thing and besides that, Bezos is running circles around Musk in profitability.
I have a terrible grasp on the investment world and how it works so maybe someone who knows more than I can explain this to me because it all looks like bull dookie where some of these people are concerned.
If he does indeed succeed, it's only proof that if you throw enough money at a market that was already established, you can get your foot in the door and make money eventually. We all know he didn't invent electric cars. Or solar panels. Not even close. He's no pioneer.
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Who's to say he's not lying thru his teeth? .....it's like a John Prine song.... "there's a hole in Elons pocket where all the money goes"
+10 points for a great John Prine reference.
fabiodriven
05-13-2018, 11:50 AM
One thing I like about Elon is how he openly speaks out against artificial intelligence. I agree with his stance that AI is something that should not be trifled with.
I saw that sentiment come out of him in a video I was watching last week which was a story about why he's so far behind on producing his cars. Initially he had an almost completely automated assembly line made to assemble his cars. Once production began, the Tesla company was having major issues with the assembly line robots. During the interview Musk was asked what the problem was with the assembly line, and his response was that they over-automated it, plain and simple. He imagined an almost completely autonomous assembly line where the cars are assembled by robots. He said the reality is that the human being is "extremely underrated". I do agree with him on that as well as his stance on AI.
ironchop
05-13-2018, 02:12 PM
One thing I like about Elon is how he openly speaks out against artificial intelligence. I agree with his stance that AI is something that should not be trifled with.
I saw that sentiment come out of him in a video I was watching last week which was a story about why he's so far behind on producing his cars. Initially he had an almost completely automated assembly line made to assemble his cars. Once production began, the Tesla company was having major issues with the assembly line robots. During the interview Musk was asked what the problem was with the assembly line, and his response was that they over-automated it, plain and simple. He imagined an almost completely autonomous assembly line where the cars are assembled by robots. He said the reality is that the human being is "extremely underrated". I do agree with him on that as well as his stance on AI.I'll agree with his assessment on AI but go a step further.
When you attempt to automate all of manufacturing, you eliminate millions of jobs. Millions of jobless people can't go get car loans. Car manufacturers can't survive without millions of people being able to get car loans and buy cars.
Maybe Elon is scared that with AI, all his factory robots will rise up one day and rip themselves from their pedestals and try to kill the human threat. Plus robots don't buy electric cars.
It's feedback loops everywhere you look in this type of economy and when one of the participants in that loop gets out of tenous balance, the whole thing crashes in in itself. So I think he only understands part of the problem with not only AI, which is highly dangerous, but total manufacturing automation as well. The maddening pursuit of continuous profit growth will eventually eat itself.
The idiots offered solution to this quandary is to "re-educate everyone in manufacturing" ....which simply shifts the imbalance into other career fields....the solution for that imbalance?...."well we will give everyone a basic income or some sort of stimulus money to prop up the economy" (which means free money print so that the lower echelon of society can continue to feed the beast that is the upper echelon and protect their completely irresponsible standards of living....and pray it "trickles down".....funny because not all of this stimulus will EVER trickle down as alot of it is just hoarded at the top. People keep believing that nonsense though.
And no, I'm not a Communist by a long shot. F@#K Marxism.... I believe in a balanced, fair, AMERICAN CENTRIC capitalist economy being the best idea... I don't subscribe to the whole "no regulation and yes free trade in a free market" Libertarian ideology either.
That's like saying the 21st Amendment solves alcohol abuse and all the trouble it causes. Ron Paul smokes the crack.
Sorry Fabs, I got off the road a bit
However this relevant to your comments popped up in my YT suggestions and Elon is in it
https://youtu.be/Cltgr0jfWE4
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fabiodriven
05-13-2018, 10:00 PM
I think as far as automation is concerned, even though in this instance it failed, I'd be willing to bet that a huge percentage of manufacturing plants and factories will be almost completely autonomous not long from now. If you think people are going to be staffing factories for the rest of human existence, I would disagree. I understand the economics behind displacing the workers who otherwise would be staffing said plants, but foregoing progress in the name of pity is not how the business world works. People will be displaced regardless, it's already happening and that is only going to continue. I don't doubt that in my lifetime I will see a point in time where machines make almost everything, and almost everything will be autonomous. You almost don't need human operators for tractors and combines now. In all honesty, with GPS and the multitude of amazing modern technologies now, I bet it would be feasible to trailer your dozer, excavator, and loader to a lot, select a pre-engineered program on a computer, and let the machines rip. Sure you'd need someone to deal with the expected messes like stuck machines and breakdowns, fueling and greasing, but then what about if we made an automated recovery, maintenance, and repair fleet? I certainly don't have the know how, desire, or money to do that, but in this day and age it is a feasible scenario. It would certainly falter at first as any fledgling technology, much like Elon's assembly line robots, but it could certainly evolve. There lies the other edge- How smart do we want to allow these machines to be? I'm sure we've all seen Maximum Overdrive. If that does occur, keep your ears open for the buzzin dozen, and run if you hear it.
So what to do with the displaced people? Nobody has the answer to that yet. With the future comes change, it is the only constant. With constant changes come new and previously unknown opportunities, so the solution to the problem of people displaced from factories may well not exist yet. What I do know is that you cannot stop progress, so the people will be didplaced at some point. Perhaps the situation globally will be so altered in relation to what we know now that people wouldn't necessarily have to work, or they could work far less. Perhaps people will have more opportunities to be human beings instead of robots. Many people live to work and know nothing else.
It could devolve into WWIII, or it could be the next Renaissance.
redsox
05-15-2018, 04:43 PM
"Things like this didn't happen when we had men on the bottling line! Well then, lets get some men on the bottling line!" -Strange Brew
Elon sells bullshite,,, and business is good.
sledcrazyinCT
05-17-2018, 09:30 PM
Many people float the idea of a living wage or direct payment to every citizen for simply breathing air. AI &robotics will most certainly increase in factory settings since they can replace humans with ROI's within months..no SS, Medicare, health insurance, workman's comp,unemployment insurance, paid sick days. vacation time, 401K match, life insurance, FMLA.
fabiodriven
05-27-2018, 11:02 PM
https://youtu.be/JZSmsDvxKek
El Camexican
05-27-2018, 11:11 PM
https://youtu.be/JZSmsDvxKek
That was rather entertaining :lol:
Libs hate how trump tweets insults to anyone who oposses him, but all you can hear are crickets about this.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/07/15/elon-musk-calls-diver-who-helped-save-thailand-boys-pedo-for-slamming-his-rescue-idea.amp.html
greenhuman
07-16-2018, 08:40 AM
That dick wad put his foot in it this time called the cave diver a pedo.
83ATC185
07-16-2018, 09:10 AM
Hmmm...hypocritical billionaire vs a team of experienced cave divers... Who do we trust to get these malnourished kids of out this cave?
His little submarine was just another way to try and take the human element out of anything and everything he possibly can.
Greenhuman, are you Mr. Whyte?
greenhuman
07-17-2018, 04:18 AM
No. Mr Whyte wants to be just like me but all he can do is keep trying. Lol.
ironchop
07-17-2018, 01:23 PM
His submarine would have probably run over three of the kids on autopilot, crashed into the wall of the cave, and then burst into flames.... Like his cars do
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