The Bigger Picture

[ironchop]

So let's talk about mass shootings in America.

I would like to go deeper than the superficial "let's be reactionary and blame and ban guns, problem solved" nonsense that seems to be gripping the nation for the last two decades.

Background on my point:

I was born in 1971. When I went to high school, people could open carry knives as long as you weren't carving up the desks or stabbing jive turkeys with it. I took a shotgun to school for a science fair in 1984 with nary an issue. You could legally buy guns in the mail and have them shipped to you with no FFL involved and with no background check. Even pistols had no background checks until late in my teens. I had guns in my bedroom growing up since age 12. It's a part of life in rural places back before sissies.

Guess what we didn't have despite such easy access to guns.....school mass shootings or mass public shootings outside a few very rare cases. Perhaps one every 15 yrs minimum.

Did we have "assault rifles" though? Yup

Did we have hi capacity "clips" and folding stocks? Yup

We had all that stuff but nobody cared. Uzis, AKs, ARs all sat in the shelves in the 70s and 80s collecting dust in gunstores. Almost no demand. This was the status quo until the AWB Clinton signed and suddenly "assault rifles" were the hot thing. Been that way since.

So I keep trying to get people to debate the deeper issue but most folks can only see so far into the future so they've come up with equally short-sighted "solutions" for the problem....like more gun control.

For once, I want to leave gun access OUT of the debate. It's honestly irrelevant up until a person has already decided to murder a bunch of people. I'm only trying to open minds to a much bigger problem that needs addressed IMMEDIATELY or no manner of gun legislation will stop mass killings and our children will still be living in fear of attack 25 more years from now.

I'm interested because before gun control, we didn't have this issue near as much at all except once in 1966. Maybe some mass organized crime hits before that but not a prevalent social issue at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

So seriously, this is about way more than guns at all.

WHY are more and more people now compelled to commit mass murder outside of combat situations? What has caused so little value in human life that this is now the new normal? This was never an issue before most gun control so that's no longer a valid argument. It's obviously much bigger than guns at all. Why do children want to mass murder? Why do adults now shoot up churches? Why are people roaming thru the streets gunning down dozens of other people?

Churches used to be sacred (except for some black folks sadly but that's another topic). Schools used to be sacred.
You could go downtown without worrying about some loser who wants television infamy after someone failed to mail him a participation trophy.

I want to know what everyone thinks is the problem and like I said, let's not even consider guns for a second because the evidence overwhelmingly supports these shootings as a social and cultural problem rather than simply fixed by losing the guns.

Personally, I am concerned with anyone who wants to kill dozens of people and zero guns is not going to make me feel safer when there's a potential murderer in the room with my family.

So let's talk about WHY this is so prevelant today. I have theories but I want to hear what y'all think.

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[DAM shop]

........if everyone cared and nobody lied...... we`d see the day when nobody died....

All so true Glamy.

Lets take gun's out of the equation, we need to start caring about each other.. "See Something, say Something" initiative is going to be a Big push in this country in the next year, mark my words.. Mental health issues are a big issue in this country right now and are going to do nothing but grow, so we need to figure out how to deal with that issue so we can help curb the killing issues. Thats my opinion and would love to carry on the conversation..

[Shep1970]

Just want to say that most kids nowadays are kept in a “bubble” there always told there equal to everybody else but in real life there not. They hit an age, realize thats “not” the case and panic and or have a meltdown or go psycho.(not everyone deserves a trophy) comes to mind.

I say bring back dodgeball to school- it was banned in gym, some thought it was bullying but i always thought bullying made the weak stronger. (Doesn’t it?)
Were going to sign our kids up for a gun safety program this summer, you wouldn’t believe the looks were getting from the other parents (like how dare we even think about that!!)
I think starting in 10th grade or so every kid should be taught about gun safety..... guns will always be here so teach them about the subject.
What ever happened to the slogan- guns dont kill, people do- remember that?

Shep

[83ATC185]

You've got children being herded through an education system and all treated the exact same, regardless of strengths and weaknesses of the individual. They aren't given the opportunity to succeed, simply made into someone that knows how to work the system to survive. The desire to stand out is channeled not through excelling, but through misbehaving. And we live in a world that rewards ignorance. Its much easier, and more fun, to show your ass to become rich and famous than to work for it.

[fabiodriven]

The United States of America is sick, deeply sick. From poor right up through to the elite. Our people have been conditioned and brainwashed and they are blind and powerless to even see it in themselves. You can stand there and explain something to someone, show them physically what you're talking about, but if it's in their programming to see something another way they will overlook what their own eyes can see and believe the programming that's been pumped into their heads.

If you can spare the 13 minutes to listen to our friend Yuri here, he has a warning for you. He's not talking to me, he's actually speaking words that make complete sense to me and explain everything, he's talking to a lot of you. Of course, because of your conditioning you'll either not believe him or dismiss what he's telling you. You will stick to the program until your dying day most likely.

https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA

How and why am I not programmed though? How have I been able to see this all along when so few others can? I have three very likely reasons for that. Firstly, use of psychedelics when I was younger. Secondly, PTSD. Third, you guessed it, Lyme disease. Also it doesn't hurt being born naturally intelligent. All of these things are or were in my head, and all of these things break the cycle of what "normal" thought processes are. I can see things others don't, as I've said for so long.

The sickness this country has begins at birth when you're born into a ridiculous amount of debt and then pumped full of chemicals. You're taught the same conditioning from birth as the generation before you, so what you "know" is passed along, and what you "know" is your programming. The public education system in this country is the laughing stock of the planet, and they do laugh. We laugh at ourselves as well. We think it's so hilarious that college students don't know where Mt Rushmore is or who Ronald Reagan was. We've all seen the videos where these simple questions are asked and a COLLEGE STUDENT cannot answer them. They're laughing in the video, you're at home laughing at them, we're all laughing at how farking stupid this country is, yet you refuse to believe anyone is controlling you. That's because you're not smart enough to see it and blissfully ignorant to the truth of what this country is. Now finish your twinky or no dessert for you. The public education system tried to teach me that teams of men with ropes dragged blocks around on logs to build the pyramids, which is horse trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro. They tried to tell me that Oswald killed Kennedy on his own when it's pretty obvious why he was really killed. I have this thing about lies... I tend to disregard everything a person (or entity) says to me after I've been lied to.

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Most of you are concerned about North Korea or possibly Russia. You know what scares me? America. America scares me because it is FUBAR, I feel there is no repairing it. I can show you a scientific experiment proving a point I've made and with your blank, black shark eyes you'll look back at me and say "Tom Brady, MAGA." We're frigged as a country, royally. Pumpkin Head has everyone wrapped around his finger as if he's actually in charge of anything. The only thing he's in charge of is YOU. He's your conductor, the head shepherd, watch for his cues. In the meantime the real people pulling the strings continue on with what they're doing. Children addicted to smart phones and dressing like whores at 12, hell a kid in Shep's town got a sex change at the age of 10. Ten years old getting a sex change! What's wrong with that child, the parents, the doctor, the friggin country!? What's wrong is nobody will wake the frig up and realize that they no longer have common sense.

PATTERNS- Patterns are huge in life. If you can see a pattern, you can predict a problem sometimes. Patterns are also a sign of man's influence. Nature tends to be random, mankind is a creature of habit, and many times patterns are clues. The other countries having problems with school shootings don't have the problem we do because there are no other countries having problems with school shootings. But here, in "the greatest country on the planet", we have children getting shot up in schools. You can't have it both ways. You cannot proclaim the awesomeness of your country and talk about how much better it is than everywhere else but still have a problem with school shootings. The problem is our people have been programmed, conditioned, dumbed down to the nth degree. Some of you know what I'm talking about. Every day I see things occur which are unfortunate for other people that would have been so simple to avoid for me. I see people make stupid, stupid decisions over and over again and never learn a thing, then they wonder why they are where they are. We are living in a nation of dumbed down people who are herded by politicians in a broken system who care for money and themselves and have zero concern about the people they are supposed to be representing.

Here is how your government works in this day and age. It is run by the greedy, for the greedy.

https://youtu.be/fHl1rYpXWis

Isn't it amazing how many politicians end up wealthy on usually what's a rather paltry income? Does anyone else ever wonder why or how that is? Does anyone care a huge amount of politicians sell away our rights every single day?

Our country is sick, I feel it's beyond repair. Your vote is a waste of time, I should spit on my ballot and stomp on it with my combat boots soiled from defending my constitution (under false pretense). And here I go down talking the country that pays for my existence. THAT'S RIGHT, because I'm not being bribed. I'm being compensated and it's compensation that I've earned, so shut the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up. "Vote them out", right? OK and what, vote the next crooked politician in? Someone "new and different" right? I've got news for you, there's no such thing in this country. There's a long line of greedy people just itching to take the seat of the pig before them. Elections are a giant smear campaign of lies and disgrace, which is fitting to sit on the throne and be the first to inform the flock of what they're going to believe today.

I lump all politicians together. I'm not a fan of cheeto head but Hillary? It speaks volumes to me that she would get as far as she has in life, that there are actually people out there who would support and believe such a wretched person. Her eyes say it all, every word out of her mouth is pure bullshit. It's absolutely stifling to me that fewer people were able to see. I know someone from Arkansas who worked on the governor's detail, probably in the 80's or thereabouts. They knew the Clintons very well, and she's exactly what you think she is. It's scary to me that someone could get so far being who she is, but it's not at all surprising. Drain the swamp, ha! How about bulldoze Washington? How dare I, right? It's called being a patriot, I call em as I see em, and you can't see em but I'm calling em anyways. Maybe someday people will wake up but I don't think so. I think we're frigged, and that's the bigger picture Chop. I think none of that horse shite matters anymore because we are too far gone.

[ironchop]

You've got children being herded through an education system and all treated the exact same, regardless of strengths and weaknesses of the individual. They aren't given the opportunity to succeed, simply made into someone that knows how to work the system to survive. The desire to stand out is channeled not through excelling, but through misbehaving. And we live in a world that rewards ignorance. Its much easier, and more fun, to show your ass to become rich and famous than to work for it.That's one of my theories too. I don't think it wholly explains the phenomenon in total but I do think it's a large and vital piece of the puzzle.

Another related issue is the complete lack of personal responsibility for your actions since this "it takes a village to raise a child" crap. It used to take a family to raise a child but since that notion has been destroyed, now the whole neighborhood has a problem. It's all about perception, isn't it?

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[Shep1970]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/02/01/hopkinton-high-school-bullet-found/

http://wpri.com/2017/07/24/hopkinton-family-shares-their-transgender-journey/

Added links- the top one my son and fellow students were locked in there rooms, not told what was found or happened until i told him at dissmissal.
He sat with other kids thinking the worst for 3-4 hours i believe. He was (scared shitless) just not knowing anything!!!
Ended up just being an empy shell- mind you theres 3 rod+gun clubs in this town.
So who knows....

Shep
Slightly off topic sorry
Transgender story is just sad “why”

[ironchop]

@Fabs Yeah....because all the children murdered by handguns are meaningless.

I'm sure he doesn't realize how disrespectful that sounds

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[ironchop]

And this is precisely what I'm talking about too....

So no more ARs or weapons like them.

So how long do you sit satisfied with your brilliant idea before another mass shooting with a handgun kills kids? And when it does, they will bleat like sheep and holler "ban the handguns".....so since their original dumb idea only solved shootings with ARs, are they not complicit then, by their own definition, in the handgun massacre?.....yes, they are if those are indeed the rules of engagement.

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[fabiodriven]

@Fabs Yeah....because all the children murdered by handguns are meaningless.

I'm sure he doesn't realize how disrespectful that sounds

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I deleted that post Chop. My friend who posted that is a politician and we served together in Iraq. I immediately texted him and he asked for my thoughts, so I sent him a link to this thread. I deleted that post after talking to him.

[DAM shop]

Social media and all the Bull s*!t that goes along with it has not helped over the years. At some point these wackos that are hiding behind their user names and media accounts need to step outside their bubble to be reckonized and then BAM it all explodes.
Our schools for sure need to be the first step at reckonizing that there is a problem and need to have the freaking authority to do something about it. This bull about kids rights and you can't touch me bull is all crap, bring back punishment in the schools give our eduacators the authority to do something instead of having to worry about some mis led parent that thinks their child is something more than they are not..

I remember my kid in high school 15 years ago saying " teachers can't do that to me" I can't remember what it was about but I blew my top and said to him I have given my permission for them to do that to you.. Its all about respect fropm the students and mostly these worthless parents thinking something is owed to them and their selfish child.

Heck I was beat by teachers when I was in school, they would call home tell my parents what I did and then I would get in trouble there. I deserved everything I got as a child and beleive me it was a freaking lot.. I now work at a church and turned out allright..
Take care of our children, teach them that there are winners and loosers, punish them, there are children left behind in school, teach them about things like work and respect. HECK raise your Dam children. The problem is that the generation of kids that started this me, me, bull are the one's having kids now. errrrrrrrrrrrr!

Teach the parents folks teach the parents.

[El Camexican]

Short opinion: broken families and working mothers combined with the move from rural areas into urban areas. Those things combined with the overprotective rules we live in seem to have led to more people growing up with mental imbalances.

I recall the Unibomber having an opinion the fast pace of mankind’s technological advancement leading to more misfits of society and if so, he may have been right.

Our brains have had to advance at a rate unparalleled in recorded history and it stands to reason that when you start overloading something as intricate as the human mind there will be some failures. I think that is a large part of what is causing this phenomenon and I fear there isn’t a way out of this unless we can somehow identify these people in advance, But even then how do you tell somebody at the age of 10 or 12 that they are pre-disposed to commit a heinous crime such as this and relinquish the rates they were born with in your constitution prior to them ever having committed a crime?

[DAM shop]

See, 3www in the open forum is the perfect realease for this kind of talk. We can openly discuss, debate, like or dislike each others opinion without worrying about what each of us thinks of the other person.. I definetley dont agree with many of opinions on here but then again I don't need to, but I can get what I need to say out there liked or not and feel as if my opinion is respected. I don't need to worry about Fabio (only an example here fabs) or any others that are going to take offense and snap.. unfortunatley young minds don't yet work this way. the para below helps explain.

It all has to do with the way the brain matures, a concept that’s been given the pretty logical name of neuromaturation. The brain is made up of white matter and grey matter. The grey matter stores all the information, and the white matter forms the connections between the different parts of the brain. Our grey matter matures when we’re between 11 and 12 years old, but the white matter hasn’t completely developed until we’re in our early twenties.

That means that the brains of teenagers literally aren’t physically fully connected. In an adult brain, there are a number of neural connections that allow the different parts of the brain to all work together. In the teenage brain, these connections aren’t fully formed yet, and it, unsurprisingly, impacts the brain’s ability to process information in a way that looks at the entire picture. It’s been found that the last part of the brain to finish developing its connections is the frontal lobe, which is also the part of the brain that governs attention span, impulses, and motivation".

I have four grankids and go about how I interact with them differently because of all this stuff . I want to know how they really are, I try hard to get into their brains something that parents don't have the time to do these day's..

Its kinda of depressing to say the least...

[fabiodriven]

We do have fantastic discussions on here DAM, and most times we keep it civil. However we do also get carried away from time to time, myself included. I try to always learn though and try to prevent things from getting carried away in the future. But yes, we do have some great discussions.

[atctim]

I honestly think it is the anti-depressant and ADHD drugs being pushed by everyone from Drs to educators to school nurses. If a kid is out of line - MEDICATE! Rather than the old school way which was proven - consequences for actions. Kids are also being hurt by the absence of a two parent family. I feel that is critical in rearing children. It takes two! With all the moral decay, and single mothers be rewarded and being taken care of by the state - it adds fuel to the fire!

Pretty simple really. When a child is raised with zero respect - this is what happens.

Here is something my GF showed me today - I almost threw up! It's mothers like this that are the problem. Here is a kid who was fighting in school and suspended. Here is how he was disciplined at home. A school would not suspend a kid for taking punches - it takes 2 to tango, but oh this little precious, can't do wrong, snowflake and his mother who takes his word for a school violation over the school administrators. Here's your problem America!250264

[ironchop]

Here's another example of blame shifting....

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/02/15/student-survivor-need-action-or-students-die-sot-newday.cnn

What this child doesn't understand is that it's his generation and the one before it with the problem. Lawmakers wouldn't need to do anything if kids his age would stop acting like their age means they have ZERO social responsibility for their own actions. It's apparently an anonymous adults fault they are bullying each other or are incapable of handling stuff like rejection.

I say to this boy, if you want REAL change, then start in your own school. Stop being dicks and snowflakes to each other and guns won't matter at all. With no idiot to pull a trigger, guns don't kill. The problem lies within THEM. My generation didn't flip out like this over pointless stuff. I'm tired of these arrogant kids thinking they have no personal responsibility for the problems they alone have created. In his mind, nothing is wrong with the kids today and no amount of showing this child will change his mind. He got participation trophies all his life so naturally, on one hand he says "I'm a child" and on the other hand "I'm a young adult"......in other words "I can't be held responsible" and "you should take me seriously anyway".....no cupcake, no soup for you.

I don't want to see this happen again but until the mindsets of these children and some adults BOTH change, this will never end and no amount of blathering on CNN will absolve that child of his social responsibility in this mess. You want to blame the adults but it's mostly not adults shooting up school. Grow up.

As usual though, we can expect more virtue-signalling and posturing from self righteous children and adults both and no shortage of politicians and media to exploit them.

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[ironchop]

The AUDACITY of a generation of Tide Pod eaters, facecrook Narcissists, and school shooters lecturing adults on guns is mind blowing.

End Childhood Narcissism Now

Kids are dying because their egos are out of control

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[83ATC185]

When i was that kid's age, in our house, it didn't much make a damn to my parents of the details, fighting at school was fighting at school. And if you were old enough to know better you were old enough to be held responsible, and if you didn't know better, well you were about to learn. There was none of this "Oh poor little CJ"

Why do we see interviews of "heart wrenching" pleas to save those kids from themselves when we should be making an example out of the evil little trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro that thought it was a good idea to shoot up his school? Are we going to stand around and cry or are we going to punish the wrongdoer?

The same people that say "oh the school shooter has feelings too", or "the child molester had a troubled childhood" or "Yeah he robbed them but he grew up poor" are the same ones that demand the help of everyone else when the fruits of that mentality start to ripen and the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro hits the fan. Now they're saying his mothers flu death caused him to snap and shoot up the school. People in this country take that as an excuse for his behavior and its not, like the fight i got into in 6th grade. It doesnt matter what the circumstances behind it are, right is right, and wrong is wrong. Maybe thats where it all went wrong? Too much blurring of the line, not enough punishment, and making an excuse for everything under the sun are how we got in this mess

[DAM shop]

When i was that kid's age, in our house, it didn't much make a damn to my parents of the details, fighting at school was fighting at school. And if you were old enough to know better you were old enough to be held responsible, and if you didn't know better, well you were about to learn. There was none of this "Oh poor little CJ"

Why do we see interviews of "heart wrenching" pleas to save those kids from themselves when we should be making an example out of the evil little trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro that thought it was a good idea to shoot up his school? Are we going to stand around and cry or are we going to punish the wrongdoer?

The same people that say "oh the school shooter has feelings too", or "the child molester had a troubled childhood" or "Yeah he robbed them but he grew up poor" are the same ones that demand the help of everyone else when the fruits of that mentality start to ripen and the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro hits the fan. Now they're saying his mothers flu death caused him to snap and shoot up the school. People in this country take that as an excuse for his behavior and its not, like the fight i got into in 6th grade. It doesnt matter what the circumstances behind it are, right is right, and wrong is wrong. Maybe thats where it all went wrong? Too much blurring of the line, not enough punishment, and making an excuse for everything under the sun are how we got in this messright is right, and wrong is wrong. Maybe thats where it all went wrong? Too much blurring of the line, not enough punishment, and making an excuse for everything under the sun are how we got in this mess.

I second that, I knew exactly where the Lu e was if I crossed it at home or at school I answered for it.. as soon as we started to give our children to many rights in school is where it all got screwed up.. I had no rights in school. Call a wrestling coach by his first name ( Barney) in class get thrown against the locker and told no no. Mouth off to a grade school teacher get tossed in the math teachers closet for an hour. Stick a apple up a teacher tail pipe get your ass whooped by the principal. Set the parking lot on fire and steal license plates off cars for a month in 1st grade get kicked out of that Catholic school and go to public..
Now we have to allow our kids to do these things with no consequence..

I knew a principal of a private school that took a job at a public rual school as a associate. When I asked him why he said because Walcott is one of the very few schools left where the parents want the admins to have control of their kids.. that was 15-18 years ago. No longer the case now..

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[Bren_downe]

Hold on… you guys are ripping on this kid for defending himself and his mother not punishing him? You guys deduced that this kid doesn't have a dad around and some how instigated a fight? You guys gathered that from what? 3…4 lines of text?
Ever heard of a zero tolerance policy?

[ironchop]

right is right, and wrong is wrong. Maybe thats where it all went wrong? Too much blurring of the line, not enough punishment, and making an excuse for everything under the sun are how we got in this mess.

I second that, I knew exactly where the Lu e was if I crossed it at home or at school I answered for it.. as soon as we started to give our children to many rights in school is where it all got screwed up.. I had no rights in school. Call a wrestling coach by his first name ( Barney) in class get thrown against the locker and told no no. Mouth off to a grade school teacher get tossed in the math teachers closet for an hour. Stick a apple up a teacher tail pipe get your ass whooped by the principal. Set the parking lot on fire and steal license plates off cars for a month in 1st grade get kicked out of that Catholic school and go to public..
Now we have to allow our kids to do these things with no consequence..

I knew a principal of a private school that took a job at a public rual school as a associate. When I asked him why he said because Walcott is one of the very few schools left where the parents want the admins to have control of their kids.. that was 15-18 years ago. No longer the case now..

Sent from my XT1650 using TapatalkYes this. Our school bus drivers had paddles and could whoop us ...and did. Totally separate from school punishment. But they also gave us cookies, candy, soda on holidays and let us have huge water fights on the bus every last day of school. Respect begot respect.

The principal's all had paddles and some teachers too. And kids got it. No school shootings. You didn't "back talk" ANY adult. Didn't matter who it was. No room for insolence or snowflakery. My mom threw a meaner punch than my dad. She had to because I was a little dick with a hard head. My coach made me eat a small bar of soap after practice for cursing other kids while smack talking in practice. We didn't get safe spaces. You conform or suffer and honestly, they weren't really asking that much of us kids so it wasn't rocket science.

Even when the parents were failing, the school still stepped up to teach respect and personal responsibility. Manners and other social skills were required and taught. They had the right to punish you because they taught you to know better. Now we ask the child if he feels like participating in class today and if there's any way to make them feel more comfortable and everyone gets a trophy.

Alot of these kids would shriek in horror to live one hour in 1977.

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[ironchop]

Hold on… you guys are ripping on this kid for defending himself and his mother not punishing him? You guys deduced that this kid doesn't have a dad around and some how instigated a fight? You guys gathered that from what? 3…4 lines of text?
Ever heard of a zero tolerance policy?

I'm not. I don't have an issue with that situation. I taught my kids to fight back.

I can't stand zero tolerance policies, personally. That's yet another thing my generation didn't have and didn't need.

You got judged by the situation and not by the offense

I agreed with what Tim said about pharmaceuticals though 100%

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[Bren_downe]

Honestly a lot of you guys sound like a broken record with the whole "let's beat our kids again" thing. We're supposed to be evolving as a species. I wont sit here and pretend to know the solution but I'm pretty sure that ain't it. How do we know it didn't lead us here anyway? There's ways of teaching respect without pounding into a weaker, helpless, tiny human.

[fabiodriven]

Hold on… you guys are ripping on this kid for defending himself and his mother not punishing him? You guys deduced that this kid doesn't have a dad around and some how instigated a fight? You guys gathered that from what? 3…4 lines of text?
Ever heard of a zero tolerance policy?

I get what you're saying and I had similar thoughts. I did "like" Tim's post but the more I thought about it, I think I may have been caught up in the moment. I don't blame anyone for defending themselves, adult or child.

I don't have kids and it's not my business to tell anyone else how to raise their headaches, but I have a big problem with these little pukes being raised by a video game console these days. They live on it, every waking moment of every day many of them. It's disgusting to me and a huge part of the problems we are dealing with right now. I think I just saw the kid with his gaming headphones on and got triggered.

[fabiodriven]

Honestly a lot of you guys sound like a broken record with the whole "let's beat our kids again" thing. We're supposed to be evolving as a species. I wont sit here and pretend to know the solution but I'm pretty sure that ain't it. How do we know it didn't lead us here anyway? There's ways of teaching respect without pounding into a weaker, helpless, tiny human.

I learned with soap in my mouth and by the wooden spoon, and I have respect and morals that today's children are lacking. Today's children run wild and not only do they not listen, they actually do exactly what you tell them not to. I spent a day at the aquarium with three young children the other day, and they were absolutely terrible. I found out afterwards that this was actually a good day for them! Parents plead and bargain with their kids, it's sad and pathetic and this is going to be the downfall of this country. Raise your free range children to do what they want when they want, it doesn't matter anymore because that's what everyone else is doing. I went to hard Knox, literally. Fort Knox Kentucky, and the more people that are shown the way the better off we all are. Lack of guidance is a massive problem in this country, and a smack on the ass never hurt anyone.

[ironchop]

Honestly a lot of you guys sound like a broken record with the whole "let's beat our kids again" thing. We're supposed to be evolving as a species. I wont sit here and pretend to know the solution but I'm pretty sure that ain't it. How do we know it didn't lead us here anyway? There's ways of teaching respect without pounding into a weaker, helpless, tiny human.Yeah I'm not advocating that either. I'm just pointing out what we had to deal with in our time as compared to kids today. Having said that, they have so much more consideration and respect paid to them today than back then so I'm confused as to why life is so darn tough for them that "mass shooting" is what comes to their mind as a coping mechanism after some sort of emotional injury. If they knew how things were for us, they might appreciate the strides that have been made in order to get them where they are today. Instead of an appreciation for the struggle, you get finger pointing.

I'm not blaming the kids or their generation either. What I'm saying is that telling kids they are too fragile to be trusted to know better or telling them that they are all special and entitled to all the bells and whistles life offers is probably not helping at all. It's always those with an inflated sense of self that crash the hardest when their feelings are hurt.

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[DAM shop]

Honestly a lot of you guys sound like a broken record with the whole "let's beat our kids again" thing. We're supposed to be evolving as a species. I wont sit here and pretend to know the solution but I'm pretty sure that ain't it. How do we know it didn't lead us here anyway? There's ways of teaching respect without pounding into a weaker, helpless, tiny human.

Hey I'm not saying let's go back to whooping in the schools but Dam it we have lost the ability of a society to govern our children in a effective manner, we haven't evolved one bit, we have babied our kids into thinking everything will be alright and taken care of.. something changed for sure, I don't know what it is for sure.. I bet you could go ask a teacher that's been in the profession and they would have a pretty good idea as to what has changed and Dam it might have a pretty good idea as to how to change it or make it better.. obviously beatings aren't the answer here Brendon but the lack of respect from some young people and the attitude that society owes them something and the fact that they know nothing will happen is a big problem..
We have an issue with minors stealing cars in my town have had for a year or so, it's compounding. The law has told us that these kids know nothing will happen to them and until legistration changes nothing will..
Consequences for actions.
Back in my father era you had two choices go to jail or go to the military.
Oh but no we can't do that now because we'll offend someone's rights. Bull..
And WTF a broken record because we have an opinion?

[ironchop]

I honestly think it is the anti-depressant and ADHD drugs being pushed by everyone from Drs to educators to school nurses. If a kid is out of line - MEDICATE! Rather than the old school way which was proven - consequences for actions. Kids are also being hurt by the absence of a two parent family. I feel that is critical in rearing children. It takes two! With all the moral decay, and single mothers be rewarded and being taken care of by the state - it adds fuel to the fire!

Pretty simple really. When a child is raised with zero respect - this is what happens.



Yeah this, I think this is another huge piece of the puzzle...both of these things.

You know people forgot about the Prozac scandal when Eli Lilly Pharmaceutical lied about all those teens who committed suicide after going on Prozac in the early 90s was it? It was swept under the rug and now kids are on all kinds of meds.

On the other issue, I also agree. I could start a whole new thread on divorce and how fathers are left seeing their children four days out of a month thanks to divorce and Family court. I also think that there's a fundamental lack of effort in relationships too where everyone is only committed for as long as it's sunshine and roses and thinks divorce court makes the bad man or bad woman go away when the new car smell wears off. Kids are pawns too often. Our "satisfaction guaranteed" culture is destroying traditional family and relationship structures.

Single moms are like demi-gods. It's fundamentally implied that the man is to blame in almost every case.

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[Bren_downe]

What's changed has already been pointed out. Over medication, over use of screens by parents and kids and an archaic school system that's no longer relevant. It was designed to prepare you for factory work that no longer exists. Kids arnt challenged in any sort of relevant way. The entire culture and society is changing.

Gaming is overused but kids learn more from video games then they do in school. They learn team work and leadership skills, coding, hell, some kids even learn how to read from video games. It's relevant to their world. What's missing is honest connection.
Most of us grew up eating dinner with the famliy every night and a close group of freinds and siblings that had our back in the real world. It's missing today.

Fabs, I can't speak to your freinds "headaches" but no one said parenting is easy. There's no instruction manual. Kids act crazy sometimes. It's what they do. Remember earlier? The frontal lobe isn't developed until your mid twenties? Impulse control? Too many times parents get chalked up as bad parents for having crazy kids that OMG run around and get excited like…kids. but wait kids should be seen and not heard.. Assimilate. Sit down and shut up. Bahhh bahh. Good sheep

[fabiodriven]

No, they should behave and respect their elders or know there are going to be consequences to be paid.

[Bren_downe]

No, they should behave and respect their elders or know there are going to be consequences to be paid.

Respect is earned with a beat down? I agree respect is important, but how is "running around" disrespecting you? You're funny how you talk about programming, yet, there it is.

[DAM shop]

Respect is earned with a beat down? I agree respect is important, but how is "running around" disrespecting you? You're funny how you talk about programming, yet, there it is.

I think what fabs is saying here is that we need to teach our children the lost art of respect, either by a little whooping, time outs, or no playing..

I'll tell ya a quick story, my daughter has 4 kids we always regretted going to her and her boyfriend house for many reasons but the main reason that they had no control over their kids. Control of respect, control over eating, control over doing chores so for us it always sucked to see our daughter struggle emotionally, financially and with rearing a family..
In walk a new man, stable, loving, working.. the kids love him.. one of the first conversation he had with them was on respect- he first taught them what the word meant then he showed them.. then he layed down consequences for their actions if they didn't give him, their mother, each other or extended family respect. Basically the kids knew what would happen if they screwed up.. no beatings but working together doing dishes or cleaning each others bedrooms..
I am here to tell ya, it worked mom and I can be grandparents and actually enjoy going over the their place now..
So see I do agree with a two parent home, I do agree with parents involvement, I do agree with respect and consequences, all these things can be taught and learned but we need to have willing parents to do so..

[DAM shop]

I agree we have lost our ability to communicate with each other, parents to children, peer to peer. When one dosent get the attention in a positive manner they will seek it in a negative way..

I will make America great again, by giving every child a three wheeler and a set of metric tools to work on it..:D

[Bren_downe]

I think what fabs is saying here is that we need to teach our children the lost art of respect, either by a little whooping, time outs, or no playing..

I'll tell ya a quick story, my daughter has 4 kids we always regretted going to her and her boyfriend house for many reasons but the main reason that they had no control over their kids. Control of respect, control over eating, control over doing chores so for us it always sucked to see our daughter struggle emotionally, financially and with rearing a family..
In walk a new man, stable, loving, working.. the kids love him.. one of the first conversation he had with them was on respect- he first taught them what the word meant then he showed them.. then he layed down consequences for their actions if they didn't give him, their mother, each other or extended family respect. Basically the kids knew what would happen if they screwed up.. no beatings but working together doing dishes or cleaning each others bedrooms..
I am here to tell ya, it worked mom and I can be grandparents and actually enjoy going over the their place now..
So see I do agree with a two parent home, I do agree with parents involvement, I do agree with respect and consequences, all these things can be taught and learned but we need to have willing parents to do so..

Exactly. Kids can learn respect. A "whooping" isnt any kind of learning it's conditioning. Like a dog. Kids need discipline and limits. I think some are confused on the definition of discipline. Many parents today have their heart in the right place but are misguided by their own conditioning and programming. You can teach a child respect without hitting them. Remember respect begets respect.

[Bren_downe]

I will make America great again, by giving every child a three wheeler and a set of metric tools to work on it..:D

I think You're half right. Every kid should work a summer job to EARN something of their interest. Nobody struggles anymore. Shiz just gets handed to them. Or they look it up on google or youtube. Struggle is so important for the human mind to grow. Young or old.

[fabiodriven]

Respect is earned with a beat down? I agree respect is important, but how is "running around" disrespecting you? You're funny how you talk about programming, yet, there it is.

First of all, a smack on the arse hardly implies a beat down. It's the gesture, not the pain, which teaches a child that maybe next time they'll listen to what you're saying. The children of today have no respect for their elders and thereby authority as they grow into adults because there are zero repercussions for their actions. They can roam free and disrespect their parents (as I'm guessing your children do) and then continue to disrespect adults as they go through life. Teachers, bosses, the police, etc...

It's bad enough they don't listen, but in the instance I was referring to at the aquarium the other day, the children literally did exactly what they were told not to, over and over, to the T. So that is telling you that they are acknowledging the words spoken to them, and then they intentionally defy those words. I'm not against children playing, being loud, and having fun. That's the whole point of being a child. I'm talking about teaching children, when they are young and impressionable, the right way which will effect their everyday life for the rest of their lives.

They didn't disrespect me, they disrespect their grandmother and my father. My father is powerless to do anything about it, they're not his grandchildren. I didn't tell the children to do anything, but I watched over and over again as they continued to do exactly what they were told not to.

Now children such as these and yours, when they start schooling, their teachers are going to need them to be quiet and pay attention in class, for their own benefit as well as the benefit of the other children in class with them. Children such as yours will have no reason whatsoever to listen to a teacher because there will be no repercussions if they don't, and therefore will continue to disrupt the class to the detriment of all the children there. Then you'll get a call at home, which will be a waste, then when your kid comes to you during a bathroom break from his video games you'll ask him what's going on. He'll tell you whatever he wants or nothing at all, then go back to his video games.

Then one day your boy gets caught speeding. He'd likely get let off but because your child has zero respect for authority he'll mouth off and get himself a ticket.

And on, and on, and on. So because you don't feel like teaching your child about authority, you're now leaving it up to your child's teacher to deal with it, whose hands are tied, you're affecting the quality of life of the students who must attend classes with your child, you likely ruin people's dinners at restaurants, and ultimately leave people who can actually take action and use forceful authority (the police) no choice but to incapicitate your children because they still haven't learned that if you do something wrong, you shouldn't be surprised if you end up being corrected.

Why do I have to explain this to you? You quoted my words but you're really reaching when using them, it's kind of silly.

[DAM shop]

I think You're half right. Every kid should work a summer job to EARN something of their interest. Nobody struggles anymore. Shiz just gets handed to them. Or they look it up on google or youtube. Struggle is so important for the human mind to grow. Young or old.

We sold a trike to a guy and his son for less than our asking price and also threw in a shop manual for free.. tbe Dad questioned our logic and we told him it was because of what he said about him teaching his son how to work on it..
That was so important to us when our kids were growing up.. we would have 6-7 trikes and a Odyssey all going at once on about every weekend.. the kids knew if they broke it they helped fix it, if they got it dirty they cleaned it, if they rode it they changed the oil in it..

[Jd110]

Folks seem to be very judgmental, materialistic and less friendly these days. I think it's important to love your children. I'm new to this, though but parenting is not for everyone. I can't say for sure wth is going on but these discussions show people do care.




I've always remembered what a wise man told me, "son, now that you're going to be a father, it's your duty to teach them responsibility ASAP".

[Bren_downe]

I can tell your ignorant on this subject so let me educate you. A "smack on the ass" doesn't really teach anything. It's condtioning.
I like how you automatically assume my child is some shiz head without ever meeting him or me. Let me ask you something, are you the same person you were at 6? Or 10 or 21?

Let me tell you something's about my kid. He wants to be a police officer when he grows up. He's known to be a great mediator of younger children during disagreements. He respects his teacher, listens to them and helps them during school hours. But, he has bad days just like all of you, trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro ain't always sunshine and daisys, Am i right Fabs.
Did you know kids push boundaries to find out where their limits are? Maybe your freind forgot to set limits?
Why am I explaining this to you? You don't even have kids.
This IS silly

[Bren_downe]

What I'm trying to say is you don't need to put your hands on a child to teach them respect. It's not needed. But they do need strong limits and boundaries. Assuming makes an Ass of U and Me.

[Jd110]

Bren_downe, I think what you say is good. I like it, man. Thumbs up!

Edit: I misspelled downe

[fabiodriven]

I can tell your ignorant on this subject so let me educate you. A "smack on the ass" doesn't really teach anything. It's condtioning.
I like how you automatically assume my child is some shiz head without ever meeting him or me. Let me ask you something, are you the same person you were at 6? Or 10 or 21?

Let me tell you something's about my kid. He wants to be a police officer when he grows up. He's known to be a great mediator of younger children during disagreements. He respects his teacher, listens to them and helps them during school hours. But, he has bad days just like all of you, trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro ain't always sunshine and daisys, Am i right Fabs.
Did you know kids push boundaries to find out where their limits are? Maybe your freind forgot to set limits?
Why am I explaining this to you? You don't even have kids.
This IS silly

That's great Bren. So either you're doing something right or you have good genes or both. Unfortunately that's not as common these days as it used to be. If you and your family are doing good, then none of this applies to you.

I'm tired of seeing awful children not like yours out and about and if your kids don't need correction, great! Unfortunately that doesn't apply to all children.

I was out to breakfast a couple months ago when a 10-ish year old baby had an outburst in the middle of the restaurant because something in his breakfast wasn't right. He squealed out over nothing at all and when his mother calmly tried to stop him, he screamed louder. This was a very small restaurant, it was very disturbing, and he controlled the situation, not his mother. He should have been taken out of there and taken home right then and there, but he wasn't. He learned that day if he squeals enough that he will get what he wants and control that situation. Situations such as these are not uncommon.

Now if you're against other people disciplining their children because you didn't have to, then I don't know what to tell you. If your kid hasn't required much disciplining again, that's awesome, but that doesn't mean there aren't tons and tons of kids out there who need discipline. These are the kids that myself and others are referring to.

Take that big bully kid that set off the whole Ferguson issue. He goes into a store, starts stealing, the store owner tries to stop him, and the giant kid physically pushes the older (and smaller) man aside, and so the whole Ferguson mess begins. If that child had any respect for authority, if he'd been taught as he was growing up, then we could have avoided a riot. Unfortunately nobody taught him that and we all know what happened.

[Bren_downe]

You just can't go around kind of advocating hitting kids. The wrong person hears it or reads it, maybe has a couple drinks then his kid messes up. Then dad thinks it's "kind of" ok the lay a whooping out. But maybe he had a few too many and his kid reminds him of his ex wife? Or he remembers when his dad beat him a little too hard with that belt. All that trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro comes pouring out. Next thing you know the kids in the hospital because he lit off bottle rockets with his freinds or whatever. There's too many crazies out there.

[Bren_downe]

That's great Bren. So either you're doing something right or you have good genes or both. Unfortunately that's not as common these days as it used to be. If you and your family are doing good, then none of this applies to you.

I'm tired of seeing awful children not like yours out and about and if your kids don't need correction, great! Unfortunately that doesn't apply to all children.

I was out to breakfast a couple months ago when a 10-ish year old baby had an outburst in the middle of the restaurant because something in his breakfast wasn't right. He squealed out over nothing at all and when his mother calmly tried to stop him, he screamed louder. This was a very small restaurant, it was very disturbing, and he controlled the situation, not his mother. He should have been taken out of there and taken home right then and there, but he wasn't. He learned that day if he squeals enough that he will get what he wants and control that situation. Situations such as these are not uncommon.

Now if you're against other people disciplining their children because you didn't have to, then I don't know what to tell you. If your kid hasn't required much disciplining again, that's awesome, but that doesn't mean there aren't tons and tons of kids out there who need discipline. These are the kids that myself and others are referring to.

Take that big bully kid that set off the whole Ferguson issue. He goes into a store, starts stealing, the store owner tries to stop him, and the giant kid physically pushes the older (and smaller) man aside, and so the whole Ferguson mess begins. If that child had any respect for authority, if he'd been taught at as he was growing up, then we could have avoided a riot. Unfortunately nobody taught him that and we all know what happened.

I agree. It was a bad situation. I just can't take when everybody gets all nostalgic for the day when you could just hit a kid. It's not gonna solve the topic of this thread, just like gun control won't.
Sorry for the tread derailment Ironchop.

[fabiodriven]

You just can't go around kind of advocating hitting kids. The wrong person hears it or reads it, maybe has a couple drinks then his kid messes up. Then dad thinks it's "kind of" ok the lay a whooping out. But maybe he had a few too many and his kid reminds him of his ex wife? Or he remembers when his dad beat him a little too hard with that belt. All that trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro comes pouring out. Next thing you know the kids in the hospital because he lit off bottle rockets with his freinds or whatever. There's too many crazies out there.

Yes I can, and I am. I'm not talking about beating the bag out of someone. Clearly Chop and others had much stiffer rules and consequences than I did. The amount of times I was actually paddled was very few. Once or twice maybe. Soap in the mouth once or twice, that's all it took, but then I knew that there were consequences to pay for not listening to my parents. I promise you that a paddle on my arse and soap in my mouth was well deserved and as I've grown up, greatly appreciated. There have been only benefits in my life because of the discipline I've received.

[Rob Canadian]

Bad parenting. The interwebs and socal media... Meds. It all comes down to the person. What triggers it(?) Not the gun.

Did i get a beating in my younger years. Yup. Got the strap in grade 3 (1978) Last year in was done. In my house I have rules. House rules.

In my life I work with a 1,2,3. Like baseball. Be it a fight or whatever. 1 walk away or try too. 2 something is still going on. 3 smash it!!!! Deal with it after.

[Bren_downe]

Yes you are well within your rights. But it's alarming that a free thinking individual such as yourself would take such a hard stance without ever having had to do it yourself. To a helpless person you love. It's a quick solution to a bigger problem. Just think about it.

[Arky-X]

7 kids in my family. Went to a Catholic school. Ask me if we ever got whoopings.

Issue with this kid is 1) were there behavior signs 2) did anyone report it 3) what would they have done anyway?

1) The few articles I read said people that knew him knew he had issues but how serious or what threats constitute getting him help.
2) It was mentioned earlier in this thread, "See something, say something." It's no one's problem to deal with.......and then all of a sudden it is. Even if someone would have raised a concern then.............>
3) I don't know firsthand but I've heard too many stories where behavior and mental issues are poorly handled. People are just checkboxes on a form. "We've analyzed your child and we didn't find an immediate threat to anyone or himself." There's lots of professionals writing articles in journals and teaching about behavioral or mental issues but where are they in the field when it comes time to actually help them?

[Rob Canadian]

Yes you are well within your rights. But it's alarming that a free thinking individual such as yourself would take such a hard stance without ever having had to do it yourself. To a helpless person you love. It's a quick solution to a bigger problem. Just think about it.

Me? I come from a broken family. I am single now. raised 2 boys for the last 5 years...

[Bren_downe]

Me? I come from a broken family. I am single now. raised 2 boys for the last 5 years...

I was replying to Fabio. Sorry for the confusion.

[ironchop]

I agree. It was a bad situation. I just can't take when everybody gets all nostalgic for the day when you could just hit a kid. It's not gonna solve the topic of this thread, just like gun control won't.
Sorry for the tread derailment Ironchop.No! Please don't apologise. The thread isn't derailed at all. This is exactly what I want to hear.

The only way I can put this together in my own head and be satisfied is if I don't let my own confirmation bias form my opinions and beliefs. That's tough keeping an open mind at my age. We all need to be reminded of other points of view before we rush to judgement.

You have already reminded me to think about how I felt about getting hit as a kid. My situation was rough because I was raised by a fundamentalist Christian and for a short time, a Vietnam Marine vet. 63-68 volunteered. Drank alot. You know the drill. My experience was maybe more extreme than others and not as extreme as some.

As far as my own kids, we never hit our kids. That wasn't the route we wanted to take and it worked since I'm one of those blessed ppl with some good hearted smart kids to begin with.

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[sledcrazyinCT]

Interesting thread despite the spanking = bad parenting BS....Next post best be on topic as you already acknowledged derailing the thread yet kept on trucking off track:wondering

Big Pharma is a contributor in most of these mass shootings. Lobbyists keep this issue out of the discussion
Lack of a mom and dad raising many children. TV and video games are baby sitters
Violence shown in so many venues, news channels 24/7 coverage of previous mass shootings make other mentally ill people decide they need to be the next shooter
Realistic video games glorifying killing rampages, stealing, looting, wasting zombies
Hollywood pushing the envelope to give audiences the next level of shoot em up glamorized gore
Lack of compassion for others in our society. Desensitized to other peoples hardship or loss of life
World Wide Web overloading a troubled mind with content that warps their mind to the point of murder
Social media is eliminating face to face interaction. Do these killers have any real friends or just facebook peeps?

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[ironchop]

Everything we watch is peppered with violence.

I have a tough time blaming video games because I love Call of Duty and Medal of Honor.

I wondered why we are a Western country and the West is technically Western Europe too these days so do American films, entertainment, and media contain more violence than European nations? Western Europe seems to have less firearm trouble than the USA. Guns are restricted more there but they are still available. Why don't Swiss ppl with the armories in their basements go on rampages? There has to be a cultural connection and culture is shaped heavily by media and entertainment industry here in.this country.

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[sledcrazyinCT]

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[Scootertrash]

I was born in 1960, have no kids. Been thru the changes like 'chop + a few years.

My opinion? Much like many others here:
Breakdown of the family structure-
Parents are not at home as much as in the "good old days". Both parents working. Single parent homes with no father figure. Lack of discipline/lack of responsibility for bad behavior. "The Snowflake Epidemic" or "Everybody Gets A Trophy". Children are not taught how to deal with failure or the fact that not everybody is going to like you or be your friend. The feminization/pussification of America. Kids are not allowed to defend themselves when bullied and are punished when they do stand up for themselves and fight back, etc, etc, on , and on.

Bren, you seem to be stuck on the notion that ANY physical punishment is a "beating" and that it's the first course of action for a misbehaving child. I assure in mine and my brothers cases that's not true. Our spamkings were reachj thru an escalation of disrespect for my parents rules.

1. Multiple verbal warnings or scoldings, the apex of which was "Wait 'til your father gets home"

2. Non-physical punishment: Being sent to your room or having to sit in the corner (We didn't have "time outs") "Groundings" of various types: No bicycle, grounded to the yard, having a favorite toy taken away, etc. No video games in my childhood. We played outside.

3. A spanking. Our parents NEVER beat us. Half a dozen wacks on the ass with a hand does not constitute a beating.

Ya know what? There are kids who respond to verbal correction just fine, there are a large contingent of others who feel the need to constantly test boundaries and push limits. (raises hand) ;)

Increasing gun control has nothing to do with reducing shootings or "saving just one life". It's about power and control over the serfs by the Elites. I'm willing to bet that some of these shootings are the result of mental manipulation of individuals who are gently coaxed over the edge. YMMV

[ironchop]

250294250295Stefan Molyneux is full of gems, btw

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[danbur55]

what are the long term effects of chemicals and preservatives in our food supply. are they impairing both mental and physical development of youth added to the "participation trophy attitudes" who's standards are right in "you have the right to do what is right not to do wrong" for every right there is a reponsibility but that does not set well with our "its all about me" society that promotes do what you want there are no consequences for your OWN actions

[ironchop]

My oldest daughter is an elementary school teacher here in KY.

She told my wife this morning that her schools unofficial policy was to NOT flunk or "hold back" any kids because it would hurt their feelings and damage them.....

This is absolute madness

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[ironchop]

Heard a legislator suggest that maybe weapons be only sold to people over the age of twenty one. Cruz could legally buy the AR 15 yet not legal to buy a case of beer

I think he's still missing the point.

We trust an eighteen year old to go fight and die for his country but the only adult right he has is to drive and vote? No drinking or buying handguns. That's always stuck in my craw. Seems convoluted reason.



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[sledcrazyinCT]

The only reason I think video games add to the problem is the children playing them probably never held or fired a real gun. They just don't know what a real weapon is capable of doing.

Heard a legislator suggest that maybe weapons be only sold to people over the age of twenty one. Nikolas Cruz could legally buy the AR 15 yet not legally buy a case of beer:crazy:

Scooter's explanation of spanking is spot on. I can count the times I was hit by my father on both hands. Most times were when I was a young teen.....each time was after I did something horrendous or destructive, and basically was indignant or outright denied when he attempted to explain the error of my ways.
My family upbringing was filled with love and respect. Respect goes both ways so when a know it all teen disrespects his family sometimes a whooping is the only thing that would sink in at the time. I would never fault him for raising his hand to me every time was warranted and many other times I was amazed he held back....Ironchop's post in another thread about the stuff rural kids would do after school and weekends fit me to a T.

[El Camexican]

My oldest daughter is an elementary school teacher here in KY.

She told my wife this morning that her schools unofficial policy was to NOT flunk or "hold back" any kids because it would hurt their feelings and damage them.....

This is absolute madness

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Planting the seeds of socialism is what I’d call that. Zero reason to try and excell at anything. Probably give out ribbons for last place on track & field day too.

[ironchop]

Yeah while I don't consider myself abused as a child, I just didn't hit my own kids. Wasn't my style and it didn't need to be thankfully. They all were pretty good kids.

Having said that though, I can't think of anything my parents could have done differently to help me mature and quit being a dick head. I got what I asked for because I just wouldn't stop lying and screwing up. I would be horrified if any of my kids had been like I was as a child. It's a wonder I survived. Others didn't. I did get tired of getting hit and that's why I chilled out. Grounding your kids was a new idea at the time and I just snuck out and stole the family car anyway.

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[Scootertrash]

My oldest daughter is an elementary school teacher here in KY.

She told my wife this morning that her schools unofficial policy was to NOT flunk or "hold back" any kids because it would hurt their feelings and damage them.....

This is absolute madness

I've also seen recent stories about a school that wanted a policy that if you are asked to Prom you can't say no, and another school that wants a policy of no "best friends".



As far as the lack of family structure and parenting:

When you don't get enough attention at home, you look elsewhere. It usually doesn't turn out well.

[Scootertrash]

I used to have a sticker on the oil tank of my bike:

"I'm not totally useless. I can be used as a bad example" :naughty: :beer

[ironchop]

I've also seen recent stories about a school that wanted a policy that if you are asked to Prom you can't say no, and another school that wants a policy of no "best friends".

When you don't get enough attention at home, you look elsewhere. It usually doesn't turn out well.

This post needs an OMG button to push right under it instead of like and thanks

That's F@#$ED UP!

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[El Camexican]

The only reason I think video games add to the problem is the children playing them probably never held or fired a real gun. They just don't know what a real weapon is capable of doing.
Heard a legislator suggest that maybe weapons be only sold to people over the age of twenty one. Cruz could legally buy the AR 15 yet not legal to buy a case of beer

The ability to reset a life on a video game is something I’ve never liked, but I think now that it’s probably not the cause of this as the problem is almost exclusively American and the entire planet plays video games.

I like the idea of a co-signer for gun purchases for first timers, but I doubt it would reduce this phenomenon much as there are a lot of guns out there.

So what is different about America in the past 20 years than any other society on the planet is the question I’d ask in trying to understand what’s happening.

[ironchop]

So what is different about America in the past 20 years than any other society on the planet is the question I’d ask in trying to understand what’s happening.

Yeah it's a tad more than just twenty years but this is the root question of my thread.

It has to be an exclusively American phenomenon and that's why I was wondering if we have the most violence in entertainment here than other countries.

What say you of this, world traveler?



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[DAM shop]

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 Years.. Gun control changed that there. Plus it dosen't help that the media over plays this stuff, some beleive many mass shootings are copy cat ones..

[Rob Canadian]

My oldest daughter is an elementary school teacher here in KY.

She told my wife this morning that her schools unofficial policy was to NOT flunk or "hold back" any kids because it would hurt their feelings and damage them.....

This is absolute madness

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I failed grade 3. 1976. I have never heard of a child failing now. Even in High School they are VERY easy to let a child pass... Heck. I think they get grades for just showing up... Of course it is unofficial. LOL

To be clear on my earlier post about 1,2,3. It was not about me hitting my kids. I have never. More of a bullying thing. If someone was bullying them at school. I taught my kids to try and defuse the situation. If it continues. I teach them not to "turtle" We are talking fists.

Great thread BTW. Very interesting.

[redsox]

This thread is absolute gold. Wow. I've had a wild 72 hours and just caught up and read 5 pages. So great. I agree AND disagree with everyone. Except Glamy. So much to comment on, but it would derail. I'll digress, but I reserve the right to comment henceforth.

Pro- 2 parent households, discipline (to include spankings), guidance, consequences, self-reliance, respect for authority, questioning authority, arms, knowledge, difference of opinion

Con- Coddling, state-parenting, meds, excuses, blanket policies, lack of empathy, lack of understanding, egotism, lack of reason, conspiracy theories

[DAM shop]

Hey Nico,
You changed your avatar, nice.:beer

[ironchop]

.... I have never heard of a child failing now. Even in High School they are VERY easy to let a child pass... Heck. I think they get grades for just showing up... Of course it is unofficial. LOL...

My son and his friends burned one before welding class in highschool and his Chinese eyes and general stupor gave him away. So we get a call and have to go pick him up. Next thing you know, he's in "alternative school" which is basically a fast-track to a diploma and the easy route. I heard his friends talking about getting in trouble on purpose to get sent to Jackson Academy or Lighthouse Academy so they'd have less work, no homework, and graduate earlier.....all of these things my son did exactly so it has been confirmed.

This episode was the worst thing our son ever did in school by far and the list is pretty short.

So he burns one doob and gets shuffled off to the "at-risk" kid school where they don't get homework, he does lessons on his own on the computer with no real lessons or lectures by teachers, and he graduated half a year early. He scored top ten percent in the country on his college entrance exams but his school chose not to challenge him but to give him an easy exit. You are only an trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro in a seat and that's how the state finds the school anyway so who cares? Out of sight, out of mind.



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[DAM shop]

My son and his friends burned one before welding class in highschool and his Chinese eyes and general stupor gave him away. So we get a call and have to go pick him up. Next thing you know, he's in "alternative school" which is basically a fast-track to a diploma and the easy route. I heard his friends talking about getting in trouble on purpose to get sent to Jackson Academy or Lighthouse Academy so they'd have less work, no homework, and graduate earlier.....all of these things my son did exactly so it has been confirmed.

This episode was the worst thing our son ever did in school by far and the list is pretty short.

So he burns one doob and gets shuffled off to the "at-risk" kid school where they don't get homework, he does lessons on his own on the computer with no real lessons or lectures by teachers, and he graduated half a year early. He scored top ten percent in the country on his college entrance exams but his school chose not to challenge him but to give him an easy exit. You are only an trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro in a seat and that's how the state finds the school anyway so who cares? Out of sight, out of mind.



Sent from my Z958 using TapatalkThe way they dealt with that in my day when I got caught was
A. Call parents
B. Serve detention early bird gym, 6 am, run laps for an hour. Can't remember for how long but it sawked..Miss one morning start from scratch..
I know the cost of my screw ups, I knew what would happen when I screwed up..

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[fabiodriven]

I got ISS (in school suspension) a lot, then there was regular old after school detention. I also had to go to summer school one year.

ISS was a room somewhere in the school where the students being punished had to sit and do school work all day. Your teachers knew you had ISS so there were assignments given to you knowing you'd be sitting quietly all day. That's another thing. There was no talking, no getting up to stretch, lunch was brought to us, and that was it. We had to sit there all day in silence.

[DAM shop]

The way they dealt with that in my day when I got caught was
A. Call parents
B. Serve detention early bird gym, 6 am, run laps for an hour. Can't remember for how long but it sawked..Miss one morning start from scratch..
I knew the cost of my screw ups, I knew what would happen when I screwed up..

We coddle each other way to much these days. Kids in school get coddled, kids at home get coddled, and people at work get coddled. Nobody wants to hurt anyone's feelings. Bull hockey I say.

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[ironchop]

I got ISS (in school suspension) a lot, then there was regular old after school detention. I also had to go to summer school one year.

ISS was a room somewhere in the school where the students being punished had to sit and do school work all day. Your teachers knew you had ISS so there were assignments given to you knowing you'd be sitting quietly all day. That's another thing. There was no talking, no getting up to stretch, lunch was brought to us, and that was it. We had to sit there all day in silence.We had that too. Even called it the same thing.

You also had to maintain a 70% or higher academically to play in sports and we got suspended from games and practices for getting detention or other school infractions. You had to fist fight someone to get ISS and drugs got you OSS or if you punched a staff member was also OSS but it had to be something very serious. They tried to keep you in school and learning things and we still got homework

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[fabiodriven]

Doesn't anyone wave or say hi anymore? I've noticed that even neighbors new and old don't want to meet-Facebook is popular, though. I don't understand it.

That depends on where you are. Thailand, yes. They call it the land of smiles. Trikefest, absolutely. Most times when I travel out of the city, people seem to smile and say hi. In Vermont the people are extremely nice as well. It's my experience that in urban areas, the smiles and acknowledgement taper off. Where I live in Massachusetts, friggin forget about it. If they don't scream rape for smiling at them, you're doing pretty good for yourself.

You are certainly on to something though JD. Many times I've seen people out in the flesh that I know and I know they've seen me but no interaction occurs. I'm just as much to blame unfortunately. I don't know if this is just an excuse, perhaps everyone has one, but I am a very withdrawn person and I've always been shy (if you can believe that). I don't hide the fact that there sometimes is a struggle going on in my head. I was much more likely to approach other people when I had a Stepford life and still pretended to be like everyone else. When I had a beautiful girl at home, a house others would be impressed by, and a good paying job, I could stack up to whatever these other people were up to and then some. Since then I'd rather avoid the subject and just get back to my cave and tight circle of friends. That's my reason which I'm not sure is any more or less valid than anyone else's, but that's mine.

The Bookface is supposed to bring people together and keep people in touch, however I feel it does just the opposite. Everyone airs their dirty laundry and then they're wondering what you think of them when you see them, or perhaps they saw something you shared that they didn't like. I don't know the exact science behind what is happening, but it is in my opinion an overall detriment to society and definitely a contributing factor to all of the sickness we have going on in this country.

The bottom line is, you're right. People overall are not approachable anymore. Here's another example- being a single man, I do approach women from time to time. Not nearly as much as I used to because the results have been... not quite in my favor for a long time. I used to love approaching women and I used to be really good at it. Now, I have female friends that I talk to regularly. Just friends, nothing more. Do you know what those women say to me when I tell them that I approached another woman in public? I'm talking about more than one friend, separate female friends of mine who have no idea who each other are, but they both know me and call me their friend. Neither know the other one even exists. If I tell them that I approached a woman respectfully, stone cold sober in a store to inquire about a date or to try and get a phone number, I get called a "creep". That's what a respectful young man, with his own means through life looking for nothing more than a chance to meet someone new is labeled as in society, a creep. I always talk about patterns. If the two women I'm referencing who don't know each other are thinking that way, how many more do you think have that same mindset?

Our country is sick. Dating sites are another area kind of like Fakebook. You can apply much of what I said about Farcebook to dating sites, but with different twists. Before this gets too much into Fabio's failures with the opposite sex, I must digress.

The point I'm trying to make is, these things that are advertised as bringing us together truly only serve to tear us apart. Are there people who use use Fartbook responsibly and benefit from it? Sure there are. Are there tons of success stories from dating sites? Absotootly. Am I asking questions and answering them myself again? It would appear as though I am.

Unfortunately there are a metric ton of people who literally live their lives on the internet and their reality is nothing like that which is portrayed virtually. The downside of that to their own personal experience is obvious from the outside looking in, but they likely feel completely fulfilled and are blind to what they really are. They might go their entire lives without living a day of it. These are the people who don't acknowledge your smile thrown their way. A lot of people get downright nervous if you approach them for something completely innocent and will avoid contact at all costs. They get nervous and you can see them get scared.

I have nieces who won't talk to me or many other members of my family because they're little weirdos and my sister coddled them their entire lives and nurtured their being withdrawn. As I said, I'm withdrawn and shy, however growing up that was never the case with family. I always integrated and celebrated with my family, which by the way is a fantastic family. My nieces literally ignore family members when approached for greetings or conversation, like they'll just not say anything, it's bizarre, but they were never corrected. My sister would order their food for them in restaurants until they were 15 or so because they couldn't do it themselves. They'd whisper their orders in my sister's ear. They don't say thank you for anything. My mother obviously tries to give her granddaughters presents and they do not thank her. They don't even acknowledge it. I stopped trying years ago, I'm disgusted by my sister's lack of guidance. I don't give them so much as a card for their birthdays anymore, they can pound sand. It hurts my mother deeply, and she doesn't deserve that. They don't like my mother but they don't even know her at all. I think they like me but I don't know nor do I care. It's not their fault though, it's my sister's crappy parenting WHICH IS COMMONPLACE THESE DAYS IN MY EXPERIENCE. It makes me want to have headaches of my own just to show the planet how it's done. My nieces decide where their family goes and what they do, not their parents. My sister has to ask her kids if they are going to make it somewhere. When I was growing up it was "Get in the car." The parents are not parenting anymore, too many parents want to be their kid's friends and not their parents. People scoff at the idea of discipline or just have zero concept of it, and unfortunately it's too late. Our country is brainwashed. On that note, I'm sure nobody watched the 13 minute video I shared with our friend Yuri speaking. If you want to see how you got brainwashed, please scroll back to post #6 and watch the link I provided.

Again to iterate my point, although once again sharing personal experience, we have a generation of parents failing to parent, and it's going to get worse.

Since I'm on a roll here, I also know of another young puke (about 13 in age) who literally lives on his video game console. I spent a few days this past summer with my friend whose girlfriend's son lives under my friend's roof (tracking?). On a beautiful sunny August day, gamer boy sits in it's room on video games and from time to time it emerges to use the bathroom. It won't even shut the light off when it's done though no matter how many times you tell it, it's doing it on purpose. It sits there yelling into a microphone, engaged in virtual combat, barking out orders, screaming, whooping, but when it's approached to come out for dinner it clams up objectionally. It's upset that you've interrupted it's endless hours of gaming and how dare you, so now it's sulky face time. So what's sulky face get for being such a little puke? It gets talked to like a baby and it's choice where it wants to go to dinner, anywhere it wants. It sulks the whole time to the restaurant of it's choice and back, and it's coddled and spoken to like a baby the entire time, then immediately it retires back to it's games, upset, upon returning to the house. This situation unfortunately is not uncommon.

My brother's son is another no-speaker. He's got blank, black eyes like a shark. My interactions with him have consisted of him kicking me in the nuts, and I'm not making this up. That's what he likes to do. He doesn't even farking know me. My brother and his ditz wife do nothing and it came to a head one day so I grabbed the little tick turd and made sure he realized I'm a lot stronger than he is. I guarantee this kid is making life miserable for a lot of the unfortunate kids who have to grow up around him, because my brother and his wife won't discipline their kid, so now I have to do it. No Bren, I'm not going to stand there and let the little pre-felon kick me repeatedly in the nuts. SOMEONE has to show these kids the way, but guess what? Nobody will, so you boys better keep your helmets handy because if you think this is going to get better before it gets worse you're out of your minds. When I say this country is very sick, I mean we have a severe problem ahead of us. I've been smart enough not to reproduce and I have the option of moving away from this shite show to another country someday if I want to and I just might, but you guys are up shite creek. We have generations of people who have no right raising children raising children, and how do you think the generations to follow will do? Better? No, I don't think so.

The commonality between my nephew and the gamer puke is when asked what they're going to do with their lives they both have the same answer- they're going to be YouTube stars. That's seriously what they think. Two kids who have never heard of each other, and that's what they say they want to do. I always said I wanted to be a truck driver or in the army. Hmm, maybe they are on to something...

I don't hide what's wrong with me, but I also don't hide the reasons. I had a great upbringing, so that aspect of life I'm good in. My problems come from war and sickness, but here's another thing- One of the other problems I have personally stems from another family's broken home. Unfortunately I fell in love with someone who came from an extremely tough upbringing, and as such that person learned to spread blackness in life. The closer you get to her the deeper she stings. I was the love of her life at the time we were together, so I got stung hard. Because of the terrible upbringing she had, I unfortunately for some reason deserved to feel pain no man should ever have to endure? For being a good man and treating her like a queen? I guess that's what I deserved?

Lots of personal sharing here, I happened to notice, but my outlook on this country is a bleak one and this is why. Because very rarely are children raised the way they should be these days and these are the consequences of that. I couldn't point out to you the exact segue where bad parenting turns into school shootings, but I can tell you this country has a very serious people problem and it is not being addressed whatsoever, so expect more of this as time passes.

[ironchop]

.... On that note, I'm sure nobody watched the 13 minute video I shared with our friend Yuri speaking. .....

Wrong....not only that but I ended up watching another and then I found the full 1:21 (81 minutes)complete version and watched that....and then....I texted the link to three friends.

Suck on that Masshole! [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]



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[Jd110]

Ok.. I'm going to watch it now. I don't agree with everything I hear, either. Just don't feel like disagreeing most of the time and really could use help here, at times. Seems I get a lot of useful information from the open forum, along with the other areas.
Edit: error with video, unable to view. 2nd edit: I was able to watch it.
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[ironchop]

I grew up in rural south central Indiana.

When I was a kid, there were cornfields for miles in between towns. That's no longer the case. As Indianapolis metro swallowed up all the surrounding counties too, it all became like Chicago with a downtown proper surrounded by 4000 different suburbs and all the strip malls and gas stations you can stand. Indy is well over a million people now.

We were very rural in the very bottom corner of the county south of Marion county (Indianapolis) so growing up, I wasn't exposed to urban settings enough to realize the vast difference in subcultures between rural and urban. I left for college after graduation and immediately was immersed in urban. It was quite a culture shock.

Now I know urban folks get tired of hearing "it's just different in the big city" from rural folks but it's true. Urban folks feel just as displaced and put off by rural things too unless they find them "quaint". I experienced more compassion and, oddly, less racism from both sides in the rural setting I was raised in than in the urban center I moved to.

So I was adopted at birth and I looked for my biological mom for about 18yrs until an awesome total stranger came into my life and helped me identify them both and eventually meet my bio mom. Bio dad is dead. This was a couple years ago....anyway it's a really good story for another thread but I'll stay on topic.....I have three brothers, two from bio Mom and one from bio Dad and a baby sister from my bio mom. Mom's kids all went to a private Catholic school all their lives. I was raised a staunch Protestant in public schools. They, Irish Catholic. Me a rural farmboy. They lived in a subdivision. I never finished college. They are all degreed, some with Masters and the other working on a Masters. My youngest brother a successful Air Force CO who works for the CDC I believe related to the Surgeon Generals office somehow I think. My oldest brother is an electronics engineer who has patent in his name but isn't allowed to discuss it per non disclosure. Another government job. My sister is an Art Therapist now going back to school to be an RN

We look alike and we move, sound alot alike. But there is a vast difference in our personalities where it concerns our perceptions about our external social environment.

I'm more empathetic to "rural" "rednecks" "hillbillies" "country people" and the working poor. I'm also a bit more realistic than some of them whereas it concerns human behavior especially among the poor. They believe that everyone is good in general. I don't give the world anywhere near that amount of credit. Some of them think the poor are only victims of circumstances and I know that alot of poor, not all though, are completely comfortable living in despair and poverty and wouldn't do otherwise no matter their change in fortunes.

I'm more practical. I also have so many more skills than they do....even combined. This isn't me being superior, I'm just pointing out the differences. One brother mentioned he wanted a new bathroom fan and wanted to know if you hire a plumber or an electrician..... Now like any older brother, I immediately mocked him and called him a sissy for paying for light home improvement. I was just raised differently. Rural family values meant all men know some level of home repair skills and general maintenance if you want to call yourself a man. I'm not advocating making fun of unskilled males. I'm just pointing out the differences in subcultures. They were raised to become successful meant making enough money to pay someone else to do the job for you. I won't villify career-centric or urban life (a separate thing) either, but I'm partial to my own upbringing in the sticks and my skilled trades career[emoji16]. That's why I moved my family south into Kentucky almost to Tennessee. It had everything to do with wanting to finish raising kids in a rural setting and living where people are much friendlier and more involved in their communities. I'm NOT knocking the city at all. This country boy just don't feel comfortable outside the country most of the time. My bio mom LOVES living in a big city and she's offended that I hate it.

Their school life was much different than mine too. I'm not going to say which was better or worse because I don't know enough about their experience to make that call. They were given much more trust and leeway than I was. My adopted mom was a tyrant. They tell me that bio mom was way more laid back. They were given opportunities to socialize and mature whereas I was kept locked up for being a dick most of the time and had a much more rigid rule structure than they did and it was always assumed that given enough rope, I would hang myself, figuratively speaking, so no rope was given.

I also left home at 18 and left every safety net I had with it. I set that bridge on fire. Ever after, I worked for everything I got. If I borrowed money from anyone it was paid back quickly but that was rare. I either hit a pawnshop with my stuff or I lived by candlelight and little Debbie snacks until my next paycheck when I could have my lights turned back on. My siblings had financially supportive parents. My adopted parents were still mad that I was a demon.

There's more. They sound trivial but these are all important aspects. It's not just a couple of things, it's a much different life experience altogether. This is why we have differences of opinion of a political sort and it also affects how we think about empathy, careers, materialism, success, raising children, interpersonal relationships, the environment, romantic entanglements, values, and a whole host of other things.

We are genetically very similar but our perceptions are shaped by vastly different experiences individually especially as children. To me, this goes a long way to explaining our current predicament.

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[Scootertrash]

I watched the video years ago, watched it again, even tho the theories he lays out in the video are ones I've heard and believed for decades, like socialist/communist indoctrination starting in elementary school. There have even been instances of it starting in preschool.

Anybody who can't or won't see this are a huge part of the problem.

I'll add this, it was written into the Congressional Record in 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Observe the tactics of BLM, ANTIFA, etc., then take a look at my siglines

[ironchop]

I watched the video years ago, watched it again, even tho the theories he lays out in the video are ones I've heard and believed for decades, like socialist/communist indoctrination starting in elementary school. There have even been instances of it starting in preschool.

Anybody who can't or won't see this are a huge part of the problem.


Back in the early nineties, I got that very list with another small booklet called Vampire Killer 2000 from an old sheriff deputy friend of mine. Haven't seen that one in awhile. Thanks for posting, Scoot



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[Scootertrash]

My Mother worked in the school district for 20 some years starting in the 70's as an Elementary School Secretary (they actually were able to use that term back then). I got an early introduction into what happens when someone tries to express a conservative veiwpoint in a Liberal/Socialist dominated culture. I found it interesting even then how intolerant those pushing tolerance really are, as well as "You can have any opinion you want, as long as it's the same as mine"

[Scootertrash]

This is the guy who conducted the interview in the vid Fabio posted. Watch the vid, then check out how Wiki describes him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_Griffin

[ironchop]

This is the guy who conducted the interview in the vid Fabio posted. Watch the vid, then check out how Wiki describes him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_GriffinYeah when Wikipedia goes after someone like that, I question the validity of their claims. Sometimes you snitch on yourself when your reaction is too strong for the stimuli.

I read that book Creature From Jeckyll Island. Great book. I didn't see any conspiracy theories in it though.

Nobody with half a brain should bother trying to pretend like the world's top elites do not know each other, network for financial gain, or party at each other's houses and godfather each other's children. I guess people think Davos is for elitists to play rummy and trade selfies and not for conspiring to manipulate the global economy.

How can anyone be that fawkken naive?



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[fabiodriven]

Awesome posts (by all) but specifically Scooter. So many of those points have clearly already come to fruition, that's amazing.

[Atc70noob]

This is a heavy one. I haven't posted in quite a while but this one peaked my interest.

So I am a 33 year old "millenial", I use the term lightly because I am not a typical millenial. I do not even have a FB account or an iPhone, but I have a smartphone. I am a teacher of about 7 years experience. I was raised by a a set of parents, mother and stepfather (since I was a baby) so I called him dad and he called me his son. My real father suffers from schizophrenia and countless other diagnosis as well. He is confined to a mental institution for murdering my aunt and uncle while I was in college. So I have a unique viewpoint on gun violence. Even having said this, I never worried about mentally unstable people with guns until this most recent shooting and finding out we have laws allowing them, mentally unstable people, to have guns. My real father has never raised a hand to me even with his violent tendency to swing at objects and people that were not there. It never scared me, it was normal.

In my experience teaching for 7 years. We have a dilemma on our hands. Students are arrogant f**ks! They do not care, they do not thank you, they do not apologize. Half of them want to be youtube stars, its true! They actually think its possible to become rich quick. They are greedy and they think they know everything. We tell them they are smart and intelligent and they think they are gods. I gave my students a simple STEM exercise, building something with their hands and my most "smartest" kids struggled like they were building with wet noodles! They strive to be challenged but at the same time whine like my 3 year old if they can't do it. They constantly joke about mockingly "shooting" each other like we used to do for cowboys and Indians constantly, drives me nuts. Parents coddle their kids and email me all the time about some irrelevant stuff that doesn't matter because Johnny got upset. At the same time, while considering a career change, trying to raise my 3 year old has been stressful while thinking of ways to keep him on the right path.

My 14 year old nephew is a competition shooter in PA and he always has weapons laying around his room. I was in shock when my 3 year old wandered into his room to see his python and I saw all his ammunition and guns. At the same time, he is a good kid and I'd never expect him to do anything wrong. Should I be concerned? Where I grew up in PA, guns and ammunition were a way of life with deer hunting and our redneck tendencies to shoot all the time.

We do need to make some changes for real. I am a strong believer of our gun rights but I seriously think we are just going to keep having issues unless we start making some restrictions. Gun shop owners need to be more anal about who they sell to. We do not need to sell to mentally unstable people. My father bought countless guns even with his diagnosis and he used one to commit horrendous crimes. He will never see a courtroom because he is not fit to stand trial. I do not think the problem is our youth, yes they are little bastards but look at Vegas. That was way out of the norm. Our politicians need to stop letting the NRA control them. It is possible to still follow our constitution but at the same time make some changes to gun rights. We can figure this out. Now before you say, the guns don't kill people shtick. I know this, my father probably could have chosen a different weapon had he not had guns. My grandparents who witnessed the entire crime, probably could have prevented the murder of their daughter after my father attempted to murder her husband had he not used a gun. This is not what happened, he had a gun and he was able to shoot two people quickly in succession, and walk away after my grandfather wrestled the gun out of his hands and call the police. All the while my aunt lay there dying in my grandmothers arms. I still believe had he used a knife or some other weapon my aunt would be here today but she isn't and yet people like you and I sit here and talk about this like as if we know how it feels but we don't. Somethings got to give and our government needs to make some changes.

This is 100% truth. My family has been victims of gun violence and yet we do nothing but are saddened by what happens to our people everyday. No one out there cares about you and us except people like you and us.

[big specht]

We should bring back public hangings. And when this stupid sh*t happens they shouldn't drag this sh*t out for months or years so the lawyers and judges can pay for the million dollar summer homes. Just go find a tall tree and a short piece of rope! And one thing that you will never see in the news it what it costs to keep convicted murders alive!!

[ironchop]

This is a heavy one. I haven't posted in quite a while but this one peaked my interest.

So I am a 33 year old "millenial", I use the term lightly because I am not a typical millenial. I do not even have a FB account or an iPhone, but I have a smartphone. I am a teacher of about 7 years experience. I was raised by a a set of parents, mother and stepfather (since I was a baby) so I called him dad and he called me his son. My real father suffers from schizophrenia and countless other diagnosis as well. He is confined to a mental institution for murdering my aunt and uncle while I was in college. So I have a unique viewpoint on gun violence. Even having said this, I never worried about mentally unstable people with guns until this most recent shooting and finding out we have laws allowing them, mentally unstable people, to have guns. My real father has never raised a hand to me even with his violent tendency to swing at objects and people that were not there. It never scared me, it was normal.

In my experience teaching for 7 years. We have a dilemma on our hands. Students are arrogant f**ks! They do not care, they do not thank you, they do not apologize. Half of them want to be youtube stars, its true! They actually think its possible to become rich quick. They are greedy and they think they know everything. We tell them they are smart and intelligent and they think they are gods. I gave my students a simple STEM exercise, building something with their hands and my most "smartest" kids struggled like they were building with wet noodles! They strive to be challenged but at the same time whine like my 3 year old if they can't do it. They constantly joke about mockingly "shooting" each other like we used to do for cowboys and Indians constantly, drives me nuts. Parents coddle their kids and email me all the time about some irrelevant stuff that doesn't matter because Johnny got upset. At the same time, while considering a career change, trying to raise my 3 year old has been stressful while thinking of ways to keep him on the right path.

My 14 year old nephew is a competition shooter in PA and he always has weapons laying around his room. I was in shock when my 3 year old wandered into his room to see his python and I saw all his ammunition and guns. At the same time, he is a good kid and I'd never expect him to do anything wrong. Should I be concerned? Where I grew up in PA, guns and ammunition were a way of life with deer hunting and our redneck tendencies to shoot all the time.

We do need to make some changes for real. I am a strong believer of our gun rights but I seriously think we are just going to keep having issues unless we start making some restrictions. Gun shop owners need to be more anal about who they sell to. We do not need to sell to mentally unstable people. My father bought countless guns even with his diagnosis and he used one to commit horrendous crimes. He will never see a courtroom because he is not fit to stand trial. I do not think the problem is our youth, yes they are little bastards but look at Vegas. That was way out of the norm. Our politicians need to stop letting the NRA control them. It is possible to still follow our constitution but at the same time make some changes to gun rights. We can figure this out. Now before you say, the guns don't kill people shtick. I know this, my father probably could have chosen a different weapon had he not had guns. My grandparents who witnessed the entire crime, probably could have prevented the murder of their daughter after my father attempted to murder her husband had he not used a gun. This is not what happened, he had a gun and he was able to shoot two people quickly in succession, and walk away after my grandfather wrestled the gun out of his hands and call the police. All the while my aunt lay there dying in my grandmothers arms. I still believe had he used a knife or some other weapon my aunt would be here today but she isn't and yet people like you and I sit here and talk about this like as if we know how it feels but we don't. Somethings got to give and our government needs to make some changes.

This is 100% truth. My family has been victims of gun violence and yet we do nothing but are saddened by what happens to our people everyday. No one out there cares about you and us except people like you and us.

I'm glad you posted. You offer a unique experience most of us had never had, thankfully.

Originally, I had intended to include adult mass shootings but the discussion turned to kids because kids are supposed to have a degree of innocence but instead they now require blood when they feel slighted or short-changed.

I think we need WAY more money into mental health help if we plan to live in a peaceful society ever. There's no reason to shuffle humans with problems they can't help around always making it somebody else's problem.

As far as gun laws, I still maintain that the types and frequency of mass shootings were not prevalent when they was little to no gun control. AR15s have been publicly available since 1963 and there weren't many mass shootings until the last 25 yrs. The other problem is that when anyone (not you in particular) talks of gun control after a mass shooting, it all depends on the weapon. If it's an "assault rifle", they shout "ban assault rifles". When a handgun is used, they say "we need to keep mentally I'll people from buying guns!".....nobody suggests that we ban handguns for some strange reason. I think it's because assault weapons count for so little victims and gun owners both that they are willing to sacrifice black rifles to keep their other guns. I don't believe for one second that Democrat politicians want total gun control either as they are very hypocritical in their actions. Pistols seem to have magical blame-repellent properties lately. Especially in Chicago.

I really like firearms...but.... If you could throw every firearm in the world including all military arms and melt them down forever where nobody could turn one on another human ever again, I would get in line to melt mine too. It's just not the case though so that's why I'll err on the side of caution because I still have a family to protect and you can't legislate mental health problems out of existence by hiding all the sharp objects.

Now for the NRA....concerning myself, I don't belong. I used to but I quit in 1998.

The reason I quit the NRA is that they told me they would fight against ANY infringement of 2A no matter what. They begged for my money by mail telling me that evil progressives want to take all my guns and they need my money to put a stop to this tyranny (!!!) They played on my fears and hooked me for just a minute.

Guess what the NRA did next? They sold us out. Every time. Now people like to say that the NRA got vengeance for the '94 ban but that's not how I remember it at all. I remember the NRA rolling over on "assault weapons" except for the AMERICAN MADE assault weapons were allowed to continue on the market.....like Colt. That wasn't NRA power either. That was Colt power. Totally different and more "military/industrial complex" stuff. The NRA stranglehold is hype and lies.

See the thing about the NRA is that they are nothing but a Boogeyman and scapegoat for crooked politicians. Congress and the WH conveniently blames them for their own lack of action on guns. Uses them to point fingers at republicans. Truth is Democrats had majorities the last administration and did NOTHING. Sure everyone got on TV and shouted "the NRA" but the truth is that the NRA has no power amongst people who give it none to begin with. You can't influence people with political money if there's nobody to accept it. You can't blame the minority party and NRA money for the majority who claim to despise them but go thru two terms of Obama without touching gun control.

The NRA can NOT veto gun legislation. They have no real power except to the corrupt. Again, like taking guns away from murderers won't stop murder, taking money from corruption doesn't magically solve corruption.

This "NRA ARE BAD!" is media generated nonsense as a giant distraction from real issues and a scapegoat for lying politicians who need more and continuing violence as a political backdrop while pretending to want to help us.

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[sledcrazyinCT]

People say the NRA buys politicians.... please realize what this group spends is chump change compared to the money spent by big pharma to influence lawmakers and doctors.

Look at what prescription drugs have been introduced in recent decades with the known side effects of these drugs...compare what year drugs were introduced to the public and when mass shootings became more frequent. The FDA has warned that there's a slight risk that stimulant ADHD drugs could lead to mood swings or symptoms of psychosis -- like hearing things and paranoia. Stands to reason if a drug can make you suicidal it can also make you snap and decide to go on a shooting spree.

When a drug maker has to list side effects like aggression, confusion, suicidal thoughts, open sores, etc is this stuff we should give a young person unsupervised? The side effects tend to occur more frequently if you go off the drugs suddenly. Maybe if these drugs have to be given to students it needs to be doled out daily by the school nurse. This isn't like taking a vitamin, these drugs are mind altering yet appears many people are given the Rx, or even worse a combination of these Rx, and told to make an appointment with doctor for six months from now for a follow up. Since untreated mental/mood problems (such as depression, panic attacks, obsessive compulsive disorder) can be a serious condition, do not stop taking this medication unless directed by your doctor.

I know millennials that buy Adderal on the black market to use as a study enhancer. Needless to say abuse of these medications is commonplace. Abuse also occurs when children are expected to take unsupervised, or when a doctor decides to administer multiple prescriptions at once on a developing mind. How many people are aware when doctors prescribe newly released drugs they might be doing so just to earn a free vacation! 200 free samples doled out earns a free trip to the Bahamas. Don't believe me go ask a drug rep what incentives are used to roll out new drugs to the masses.

Sure seems like these drugs are powerful and results can be unpredictable -that side effects may vary greatly based on your dosage, personality, other chemicals you currently ingest, and so on. Keep in mind studies have shown a severe amphetamine overdose can result in a stimulant psychosis that may involve a variety of symptoms, such as delusions and paranoia. Same study also notes that psychosis induced by these drugs result in 5–15% of users failing to recover completely after taking these medications!


PROZAC introduced in 1988....unlikely but serious side effects occur: unusual or severe mental/mood changes (such as agitation, unusual high energy/excitement, thoughts of suicide), easy bruising/bleeding, muscle weakness/spasm, shakiness (tremor), decreased interest in sex, changes in sexual ability, unusual weight loss. Get medical help right away if you have any very serious side effects, including: bloody/black/tarry stools, vomit that looks like coffee grounds, fast/irregular heartbeat, fainting, seizures, signs of kidney problems (such as change in the amount of urine), eye pain/swelling/redness, widened pupils, vision changes (such as seeing rainbows around lights at night, blurred vision).


Wellbutrin introduced in 1989.... unlikely but serious side effects occur: mental/mood changes (e.g., agitation, anxiety, confusion, hallucinations, memory loss), uncontrolled movements (tremor), chest pain, fainting, fast/pounding/irregular heartbeat, hearing problems, ringing in the ears, severe headache


Ritalin has been around since 1960, but ADHD was not even a classified disorder until 1980....serious side effects, including: mental/mood/behavior changes (such as agitation, aggression, mood swings, abnormal thoughts,
thoughts of suicide), uncontrolled muscle movements (such as twitching, shaking), sudden outbursts of words/sounds that are hard to control, blurred vision.


Adderall, another drug given for ADHD, widespread use for treatment began in the 1990's. Taking Adderall could cause serious side effects such as mental/mood/behavior changes (such as agitation, aggression, mood swings, depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide), uncontrolled movements, continuous chewing movements/teeth grinding, outbursts of words/sounds, signs of blood flow problems in the fingers or toes (such as coldness, numbness, pain, or skin color changes), unusual wounds on the fingers or toes.

Prescription drugs IMO are the unreported link to many of these killing sprees.Because big pharma has a stranglehold on most of our elected officials it is easy for some in Congress to blame guns rather then the FDA approved drugs fed to the public like candy.
Mental health needs more then a pill to treat, our country needs to take a different approach to help the mentally ill. America will not see a decrease in this type of killing until mental health is addressed more responsibly.

[ironchop]

People say the NRA buys politicians.... please realize what this group spends is chump change compared to the money spent by big pharma to influence lawmakers and doctors.

Look at what prescription drugs have been introduced in recent decades with the known side effects of these drugs...compare what year drugs were introduced to the public and when mass shootings became more frequent. The FDA has warned that there's a slight risk that stimulant ADHD drugs could lead to mood swings or symptoms of psychosis -- like hearing things and paranoia. Stands to reason if a drug can make you suicidal it can also make you snap and decide to go on a shooting spree.

When a drug maker has to list side effects like aggression, confusion, suicidal thoughts, open sores, etc is this stuff we should give a young person unsupervised? The side effects tend to occur more frequently if you go off the drugs suddenly. Maybe if these drugs have to be given to students it needs to be doled out daily by the school nurse. This isn't like taking a vitamin, these drugs are mind altering yet appears many people are given the Rx, or even worse a combination of these Rx, and told to make an appointment with doctor for six months from now for a follow up. Since untreated mental/mood problems (such as depression, panic attacks, obsessive compulsive disorder) can be a serious condition, do not stop taking this medication unless directed by your doctor.

I know millennials that buy Adderal on the black market to use as a study enhancer. Needless to say abuse of these medications is commonplace. Abuse also occurs when children are expected to take unsupervised, or when a doctor decides to administer multiple prescriptions at once on a developing mind. How many people are aware when doctors prescribe newly released drugs they might be doing so just to earn a free vacation! 200 free samples doled out earns a free trip to the Bahamas. Don't believe me go ask a drug rep what incentives are used to roll out new drugs to the masses.

Sure seems like these drugs are powerful and results can be unpredictable -that side effects may vary greatly based on your dosage, personality, other chemicals you currently ingest, and so on. Keep in mind studies have shown a severe amphetamine overdose can result in a stimulant psychosis that may involve a variety of symptoms, such as delusions and paranoia. Same study also notes that psychosis induced by these drugs result in 5–15% of users failing to recover completely after taking these medications!


PROZAC introduced in 1988....unlikely but serious side effects occur: unusual or severe mental/mood changes (such as agitation, unusual high energy/excitement, thoughts of suicide), easy bruising/bleeding, muscle weakness/spasm, shakiness (tremor), decreased interest in sex, changes in sexual ability, unusual weight loss. Get medical help right away if you have any very serious side effects, including: bloody/black/tarry stools, vomit that looks like coffee grounds, fast/irregular heartbeat, fainting, seizures, signs of kidney problems (such as change in the amount of urine), eye pain/swelling/redness, widened pupils, vision changes (such as seeing rainbows around lights at night, blurred vision).


Wellbutrin introduced in 1989.... unlikely but serious side effects occur: mental/mood changes (e.g., agitation, anxiety, confusion, hallucinations, memory loss), uncontrolled movements (tremor), chest pain, fainting, fast/pounding/irregular heartbeat, hearing problems, ringing in the ears, severe headache


Ritalin has been around since 1960, but ADHD was not even a classified disorder until 1980....serious side effects, including: mental/mood/behavior changes (such as agitation, aggression, mood swings, abnormal thoughts,
thoughts of suicide), uncontrolled muscle movements (such as twitching, shaking), sudden outbursts of words/sounds that are hard to control, blurred vision.


Adderall, another drug given for ADHD, widespread use for treatment began in the 1990's. Taking Adderall could cause serious side effects such as mental/mood/behavior changes (such as agitation, aggression, mood swings, depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide), uncontrolled movements, continuous chewing movements/teeth grinding, outbursts of words/sounds, signs of blood flow problems in the fingers or toes (such as coldness, numbness, pain, or skin color changes), unusual wounds on the fingers or toes.

Prescription drugs IMO are the unreported link to many of these killing sprees.Because big pharma has a stranglehold on most of our elected officials it is easy for some in Congress to blame guns rather then the FDA approved drugs fed to the public like candy.
Mental health needs more then a pill to treat, our country needs to take a different approach to help the mentally ill. America will not see a decrease in this type of killing until mental health is addressed more responsibly.My sister was on Ritalin from about 79-98 or so. Her mind is GONE. She has numerous more pressing mental issues now, is frequently homeless, has lost custody of her kids, and I blame the Ritalin. They started her on it when she was 5.

As for drug companies, yeah I can vouch for the payoffs too from the horses mouth. Pharmacist get them also not just docs.

I think that once you warp someone's mind on these meds, then feed them a steady diet of violence in entertainment, give them an overall sense of doom from the 6 o'clock news every night, aggressively market AR15s, and then ignore all his given warning signs, then you're going to get a mass casualty event for sure.

There's a member here who's wife died because she tried to stop taking anxiety meds. This is freaking unbelievably tragic and insane that this is allowed to continue.

I think alot people got loaded on Valiums in the 60s and 70s. My adopted mom was prescribed Valium. These types of meds have been around a very long time now and escape scrutiny for the most part.

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[3 Wheel Drive]

I only read a few of the posts in this thread but I agree shootings are becoming the norm these days. This grandma just turned in her grandson for planning a school shooting at the high school mins from my house.

http://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/crime/everett-911-call-hes-planning-on-having-a-mass-shooting-at-one-of-the-high-schools/281-518703506

Last year a girl at the same school broke up with her boyfriend, that weekend he showed up to a party and killed as many ppl as he could. I forget the weapon but it was a fire arm. Just another day in the hood,

[Scootertrash]

Mornin' jd!

Maybe I should have said "People who don't accept the info in the video are part of the problem.

I was talking about the content of the video. There are some who brush off talk of indoctrination and propagandizing children as some sort of conspiracy, so I posted the Communist Agenda as evidence. I even know some adults who refuse to accept that the media has an agenda, when it is quite clear by them repeating the same message over and over and over. Attacking the same people over and over, and legitimizing the tactics of BLM, ANTIFA, et all by calling their protests "non-violent" when they are anything but.

The same goes for adults who believe everything they see on the evening news. The media is controlled by Progressive/Left wing organizations. If people could sit down and watch the news without getting brainwashed they would find that these points are constantly promoted by the Media:




17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

Observe the tactics of BLM, ANTIFA, etc., then take a look at my siglines

As far as using mind control to further a cause:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-mk-ultra

https://medium.com/@sebastianedward/mk-ultra-project-monarch-and-julian-assange-ad2aa42ba1a4

The above links were random choices, I didn't hand pick anything.

There are some of us that watch the news to keep an eye on the enemy. Always be aware of what's going on around you. Watch your six.

[Scootertrash]

The only problem with pointing the finger at guns OR drugs is that there are thousands of people who use either and/or both that don't commit these crimes. The problem lies with the individual and those around the individuals that exhibit signs and behaviors that should be suspect.

The same individuals that want to restrict the rights of honest law abiding gun owners will tell you you can't violate the rights of the mentally ill.

These are also the same individuals who tell us we can't judge all Muslims by the behavior of a few radicals, but they have no problem judging all gun owners by the actions of a few "radicals"..

Have you ever noticed that all of these shootings take place in "No Gun" zones? Ya ever heard of one at a gun show? ;)

[atctim]

I didn't write this, but I am certain the author is most likely 100% correct. It will never be taken serious, but nonetheless I find it extremely interesting and TRUTH! (NOTE - Explicit Content)

You know we see this tired argument trotted out time and time again, each time bringing us no closer to an answer on school shootings.
It's the guns that are at fault! No, mental illness! Clearly parenting is at fault! No, it's video games! Surely something can and should be done!
Of course the problem will never truly be addressed because the nature of our fem-centric society forbids looking behind the curtain and makes the general populace completely blind to the nature of the shootings. To make it worse, the common thread is right there for you to pull but it's all-but-invisible unless you shed your blue-pill conditioning.
It's always curious to me when society as a whole throws up its hands and declares they do not know what causes senseless crimes such as these and pretends there are no common factors or identifiers that can be seen. It's similar to Scott Adam's analogy, that we're watching two different movies on the same screen. They see random acts of violence that have no cause, no trigger, and therefore no way to stop it other than removing freedoms from all citizens, lest any one of us suddenly become as randomly angry as the last guy was. Watching the conversation unfold, it's as though the gun control nuts themselves aren't sure if they might become a school shooter, so the safe bet is to get rid of all guns!
But I digress, this is not a topic about gun control or medicating children. This is about the REAL cause of school shootings.
There is a common identifier that may clue you in to the nature of school shootings. And it's not hard to see. It is done entirely by male students who have been ostracized and have no sense of belonging... and they don't have girlfriends. They are, by all accounts losers.
It should be painfully obvious to anybody here what's happening but I'll spell it out.
Men only go to extremes like this when they are exceptionally desperate. It's the reason why young sexless virgins are easily recruited into terrorist organizations with promises of sex with virgins when they die. It's the reason why you don't see Chad from the football team that gets his knob slobbered on by a different cheerleader each night stocking up on guns to teach other students a lesson.
Why are these boys so upset?
Factor number one is probably poor social skills, perhaps no father figure to teach them. Couple that with some level of autism or physical malady, or maybe just an ugly face. They get shunned by the popular kids and girls, forever hopeless and forever alone.
Of course at that age you don't exactly have a roadmap to direct you where to go. Many of us relied on fathers to explain to us what matters in life and how to navigate social hurdles. But in today's culture of unbridled hypergamy, there are record amounts of public and direct hatred and lack of sympathy for male losers. It's not that women fail to understand the male plight, it's that they openly mock it. Meanwhile mainstream media does its best to delegitimize the actual issues these boys face.
Elliot Rodger comes to mind when looking at the full picture. A sexless autistic kid desperate for female attention but with zero understanding and know-how to make it a reality. So angry he was that the Disney fairytale of "be a nice guy" didn't work that he lamented both the popular kids as well as pick up artists who claim to have the secret, as neither fit into his narrow world-view. Of course, when the evidence doesn't match your belief, some might consider re-examining their beliefs. But you throw in a case of autism, raging hormones, and lack of father figures and you might just have a ticking time bomb on your hands instead.
Gunning to ignore the male plight, the mainstream news painted him as a red-pill misogynist, reporting that he murdered girls because he hated them so much. Of course, the news downplayed the fact that he killed more men than women, or that he did so because of jealousy and rage that they should be so lucky to experience female validation that he so desperately craved. No, this was simply misogyny at play, nothing more, nothing less. No mention that he hated pickup and red pill. He was a member at PUAHate, a site dedicated to disagreeing with us.
The collective response was "no wonder women didn't like him, what a loser!" This was the country, banding together under the banner of the fempire, sticking out their collective tongues and doubling down on their open disgust of males and their stupid vulnerabilities and needs. A response so tone deaf that I'm surprised some women didn't simply load his weapons for him.
Now, at TRP we preach personal responsibility, and I'm absolutely not saying these boys are not at fault for what they do. I'm a strong believer in personal responsibility. But that doesn't mean you can't identify trends. And a trend school shootings have become.
Do mental illnesses play into the outcomes? For sure they do. But you don't see every emotionally disturbed teen shooting up a school. You don't see teens with girlfriends doing so either.
The real reason for school shootings is because boys have been raised as the enemy by a society that hates maleness. These boys never learn how to become men from role models that don't exist, and fathers who have either given up or have legally been told to stay away.
And I don't see this trend of extremism changing until our culture changes its attitude towards men and boys. But the femtrain is a strong force and I don't see it slowing down, so I won't hold my breath. But if anybody wants the real reason to the meaningless murders, you don't have to look any further.
As for prevention, here's an idea- an inoculation against school shootings if you will. Get the cheerleading team together and simply give blowjobs to the losers in your class. Do it once a year, and finally once again at graduation. Though I jest in suggesting this, I would put my life savings on a prediction that student bodies that participated in this would have a 0% school shooting rate. As impossible as this sort of policy would be, it would completely solve the question that all those experts haven't been able to answer.
And it should shed some light on the male condition. Even a blowjob from somebody who barely tolerates your existence, and the promise of a future one would be enough to change the mind of a would-be mass murderer. Hell, downgrade blow job to simply hand holding and I bet you'd get similar results. trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro- a phone call now and again would probably be it for 90% of these guys.
Hell, a guy in the desert would drink piss.

[ironchop]

I didn't write this, but I am certain the author is most likely 100% correct. It will never be taken serious, but nonetheless I find it extremely interesting and TRUTH! (NOTE - Explicit Content)

You know we see this tired argument trotted out time and time again, each time bringing us no closer to an answer on school shootings.
It's the guns that are at fault! No, mental illness! Clearly parenting is at fault! No, it's video games! Surely something can and should be done!
Of course the problem will never truly be addressed because the nature of our fem-centric society forbids looking behind the curtain and makes the general populace completely blind to the nature of the shootings. To make it worse, the common thread is right there for you to pull but it's all-but-invisible unless you shed your blue-pill conditioning.
It's always curious to me when society as a whole throws up its hands and declares they do not know what causes senseless crimes such as these and pretends there are no common factors or identifiers that can be seen. It's similar to Scott Adam's analogy, that we're watching two different movies on the same screen. They see random acts of violence that have no cause, no trigger, and therefore no way to stop it other than removing freedoms from all citizens, lest any one of us suddenly become as randomly angry as the last guy was. Watching the conversation unfold, it's as though the gun control nuts themselves aren't sure if they might become a school shooter, so the safe bet is to get rid of all guns!
But I digress, this is not a topic about gun control or medicating children. This is about the REAL cause of school shootings.
There is a common identifier that may clue you in to the nature of school shootings. And it's not hard to see. It is done entirely by male students who have been ostracized and have no sense of belonging... and they don't have girlfriends. They are, by all accounts losers.
It should be painfully obvious to anybody here what's happening but I'll spell it out.
Men only go to extremes like this when they are exceptionally desperate. It's the reason why young sexless virgins are easily recruited into terrorist organizations with promises of sex with virgins when they die. It's the reason why you don't see Chad from the football team that gets his knob slobbered on by a different cheerleader each night stocking up on guns to teach other students a lesson.
Why are these boys so upset?
Factor number one is probably poor social skills, perhaps no father figure to teach them. Couple that with some level of autism or physical malady, or maybe just an ugly face. They get shunned by the popular kids and girls, forever hopeless and forever alone.
Of course at that age you don't exactly have a roadmap to direct you where to go. Many of us relied on fathers to explain to us what matters in life and how to navigate social hurdles. But in today's culture of unbridled hypergamy, there are record amounts of public and direct hatred and lack of sympathy for male losers. It's not that women fail to understand the male plight, it's that they openly mock it. Meanwhile mainstream media does its best to delegitimize the actual issues these boys face.
Elliot Rodger comes to mind when looking at the full picture. A sexless autistic kid desperate for female attention but with zero understanding and know-how to make it a reality. So angry he was that the Disney fairytale of "be a nice guy" didn't work that he lamented both the popular kids as well as pick up artists who claim to have the secret, as neither fit into his narrow world-view. Of course, when the evidence doesn't match your belief, some might consider re-examining their beliefs. But you throw in a case of autism, raging hormones, and lack of father figures and you might just have a ticking time bomb on your hands instead.
Gunning to ignore the male plight, the mainstream news painted him as a red-pill misogynist, reporting that he murdered girls because he hated them so much. Of course, the news downplayed the fact that he killed more men than women, or that he did so because of jealousy and rage that they should be so lucky to experience female validation that he so desperately craved. No, this was simply misogyny at play, nothing more, nothing less. No mention that he hated pickup and red pill. He was a member at PUAHate, a site dedicated to disagreeing with us.
The collective response was "no wonder women didn't like him, what a loser!" This was the country, banding together under the banner of the fempire, sticking out their collective tongues and doubling down on their open disgust of males and their stupid vulnerabilities and needs. A response so tone deaf that I'm surprised some women didn't simply load his weapons for him.
Now, at TRP we preach personal responsibility, and I'm absolutely not saying these boys are not at fault for what they do. I'm a strong believer in personal responsibility. But that doesn't mean you can't identify trends. And a trend school shootings have become.
Do mental illnesses play into the outcomes? For sure they do. But you don't see every emotionally disturbed teen shooting up a school. You don't see teens with girlfriends doing so either.
The real reason for school shootings is because boys have been raised as the enemy by a society that hates maleness. These boys never learn how to become men from role models that don't exist, and fathers who have either given up or have legally been told to stay away.
And I don't see this trend of extremism changing until our culture changes its attitude towards men and boys. But the femtrain is a strong force and I don't see it slowing down, so I won't hold my breath. But if anybody wants the real reason to the meaningless murders, you don't have to look any further.
As for prevention, here's an idea- an inoculation against school shootings if you will. Get the cheerleading team together and simply give blowjobs to the losers in your class. Do it once a year, and finally once again at graduation. Though I jest in suggesting this, I would put my life savings on a prediction that student bodies that participated in this would have a 0% school shooting rate. As impossible as this sort of policy would be, it would completely solve the question that all those experts haven't been able to answer.
And it should shed some light on the male condition. Even a blowjob from somebody who barely tolerates your existence, and the promise of a future one would be enough to change the mind of a would-be mass murderer. Hell, downgrade blow job to simply hand holding and I bet you'd get similar results. trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro- a phone call now and again would probably be it for 90% of these guys.
Hell, a guy in the desert would drink piss.Ha! Great post!

I can't comment on if sexual favors would work. I was busy chasing tail instead of loading guns at those ages so maybe you're right.

Are you a fan of Jack Donovan? The Way of Men? A Sky without Eagles? Becoming a barbarian? The tactical Virtues?

I eat redpills for breakfast

I used to read ROK alot but got into Jack Donovan more as time went on (Donovan gets flack for being gay but I swear he has a better command of masculinity than ALOT of "men")

I was about to post something similar to what you said above.....we can narrow this down to being a strictly MALE problem which is where we can draw clues. White males shoot up crowds of people and black males have their own history with gun violence too though a bit different in application but still a general lack of Hope and compassion.

It's obviously a masculinity and fathering issue

Thanks for that Tim

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[atctim]

I have not heard of Jack Donovan, But ROK and Roosh V I am a fan of. I am big into Redpill - have been for about 3 years now. It helps me understand both women and society better when you actually know what most don't - it makes things that never made sense, - make sense. I am almost done reading "The Rational Male" By Rollo Tomassi - but it is all pretty much what I have already read and taken from other sources. There is a Redpill thread about 3600 pages deep on an Adventure Bike website I have been the whole way through. Redpill just makes so much sense, and the movement is growing by leaps and bounds as our society is pushing men out and hating them and hating masculinity. Men are being feminized by the Western World and it really is bad for everyone. The Feminists are shooting themselves in the foot and don't realize it yet. I feel that my above post is truly the elephant in the room no one sees! Glad to see other "Redpill'ers" out there. Makes sense - just another reason we are always on the "same page" I-Chop.

[ironchop]

I have not heard of Jack Donovan, But ROK and Roosh V I am a fan of. I am big into Redpill - have been for about 3 years now. It helps me understand both women and society better when you actually know what most don't - it makes things that never made sense, - make sense. I am almost done reading "The Rational Male" By Rollo Tomassi - but it is all pretty much what I have already read and taken from other sources. There is a Redpill thread about 3600 pages deep on an Adventure Bike website I have been the whole way through. Redpill just makes so much sense, and the movement is growing by leaps and bounds as our society is pushing men out and hating them and hating masculinity. Men are being feminized by the Western World and it really is bad for everyone. The Feminists are shooting themselves in the foot and don't realize it yet. I feel that my above post is truly the elephant in the room no one sees! Glad to see other "Redpill'ers" out there. Makes sense - just another reason we are always on the "same page" I-Chop.

Yeah I threw in a half a redpill above where I mentioned that single moms are deified in American culture.

We need another thread on this subject

https://youtu.be/i-JWqHlKpU8

https://youtu.be/C5AQIVH-EI0


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[atctim]

We should start a new thread on "Redpill" on this site. It's one of the places I feel I can comment on subjects such as this without a bunch of whining babies telling me how they feel, and why my beliefs are wrong because of feeeeeelings. Logic be damned!

[Scootertrash]

I think more of this is a big part of the solution:

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/texas-sheriff-who-allows-teachers-to-carry-firearms-leaves-msnbcs-jaw-on-the-floor/

[fabiodriven]

I didn't write this, but I am certain the author is most likely 100% correct. It will never be taken serious, but nonetheless I find it extremely interesting and TRUTH! (NOTE - Explicit Content)

You know we see this tired argument trotted out time and time again, each time bringing us no closer to an answer on school shootings.
It's the guns that are at fault! No, mental illness! Clearly parenting is at fault! No, it's video games! Surely something can and should be done!
Of course the problem will never truly be addressed because the nature of our fem-centric society forbids looking behind the curtain and makes the general populace completely blind to the nature of the shootings. To make it worse, the common thread is right there for you to pull but it's all-but-invisible unless you shed your blue-pill conditioning.
It's always curious to me when society as a whole throws up its hands and declares they do not know what causes senseless crimes such as these and pretends there are no common factors or identifiers that can be seen. It's similar to Scott Adam's analogy, that we're watching two different movies on the same screen. They see random acts of violence that have no cause, no trigger, and therefore no way to stop it other than removing freedoms from all citizens, lest any one of us suddenly become as randomly angry as the last guy was. Watching the conversation unfold, it's as though the gun control nuts themselves aren't sure if they might become a school shooter, so the safe bet is to get rid of all guns!
But I digress, this is not a topic about gun control or medicating children. This is about the REAL cause of school shootings.
There is a common identifier that may clue you in to the nature of school shootings. And it's not hard to see. It is done entirely by male students who have been ostracized and have no sense of belonging... and they don't have girlfriends. They are, by all accounts losers.
It should be painfully obvious to anybody here what's happening but I'll spell it out.
Men only go to extremes like this when they are exceptionally desperate. It's the reason why young sexless virgins are easily recruited into terrorist organizations with promises of sex with virgins when they die. It's the reason why you don't see Chad from the football team that gets his knob slobbered on by a different cheerleader each night stocking up on guns to teach other students a lesson.
Why are these boys so upset?
Factor number one is probably poor social skills, perhaps no father figure to teach them. Couple that with some level of autism or physical malady, or maybe just an ugly face. They get shunned by the popular kids and girls, forever hopeless and forever alone.
Of course at that age you don't exactly have a roadmap to direct you where to go. Many of us relied on fathers to explain to us what matters in life and how to navigate social hurdles. But in today's culture of unbridled hypergamy, there are record amounts of public and direct hatred and lack of sympathy for male losers. It's not that women fail to understand the male plight, it's that they openly mock it. Meanwhile mainstream media does its best to delegitimize the actual issues these boys face.
Elliot Rodger comes to mind when looking at the full picture. A sexless autistic kid desperate for female attention but with zero understanding and know-how to make it a reality. So angry he was that the Disney fairytale of "be a nice guy" didn't work that he lamented both the popular kids as well as pick up artists who claim to have the secret, as neither fit into his narrow world-view. Of course, when the evidence doesn't match your belief, some might consider re-examining their beliefs. But you throw in a case of autism, raging hormones, and lack of father figures and you might just have a ticking time bomb on your hands instead.
Gunning to ignore the male plight, the mainstream news painted him as a red-pill misogynist, reporting that he murdered girls because he hated them so much. Of course, the news downplayed the fact that he killed more men than women, or that he did so because of jealousy and rage that they should be so lucky to experience female validation that he so desperately craved. No, this was simply misogyny at play, nothing more, nothing less. No mention that he hated pickup and red pill. He was a member at PUAHate, a site dedicated to disagreeing with us.
The collective response was "no wonder women didn't like him, what a loser!" This was the country, banding together under the banner of the fempire, sticking out their collective tongues and doubling down on their open disgust of males and their stupid vulnerabilities and needs. A response so tone deaf that I'm surprised some women didn't simply load his weapons for him.
Now, at TRP we preach personal responsibility, and I'm absolutely not saying these boys are not at fault for what they do. I'm a strong believer in personal responsibility. But that doesn't mean you can't identify trends. And a trend school shootings have become.
Do mental illnesses play into the outcomes? For sure they do. But you don't see every emotionally disturbed teen shooting up a school. You don't see teens with girlfriends doing so either.
The real reason for school shootings is because boys have been raised as the enemy by a society that hates maleness. These boys never learn how to become men from role models that don't exist, and fathers who have either given up or have legally been told to stay away.
And I don't see this trend of extremism changing until our culture changes its attitude towards men and boys. But the femtrain is a strong force and I don't see it slowing down, so I won't hold my breath. But if anybody wants the real reason to the meaningless murders, you don't have to look any further.
As for prevention, here's an idea- an inoculation against school shootings if you will. Get the cheerleading team together and simply give blowjobs to the losers in your class. Do it once a year, and finally once again at graduation. Though I jest in suggesting this, I would put my life savings on a prediction that student bodies that participated in this would have a 0% school shooting rate. As impossible as this sort of policy would be, it would completely solve the question that all those experts haven't been able to answer.
And it should shed some light on the male condition. Even a blowjob from somebody who barely tolerates your existence, and the promise of a future one would be enough to change the mind of a would-be mass murderer. Hell, downgrade blow job to simply hand holding and I bet you'd get similar results. trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro- a phone call now and again would probably be it for 90% of these guys.
Hell, a guy in the desert would drink piss.

Now this I can really speak to from my own personal life experience.

As a person very well versed in mental illness, I was absolutely blown away by the simple theory set forth in those words. Now I can in no way relate to anyone who wants to express their pain outwardly, as I feel the exact pain described in this post, but the big difference is that I direct my pain inward at myself. I see no need to cause pain and suffering to others intentionally, however my mental "cage" which contains things others should never have to deal with does develop leaks from time to time and unfortunately unintended targets do end up as collateral damage. Unfortunately people who know me well can attest to this fact (sorry Dan, Swatland, Nico, Scooter, Weezy, and everyone friggin else, I do my best to maintain). Now should the contents of this mind be unleashed in the fashion we see others express themselves from time to time, ungodly results would be what we would see. I understand a lot about psychology and the human psyche, I've spoken to quite a few experts in the field over the years it's been apparent I have a problem, and without failure every single one of them has asked me if I studied in the field and more than one of them have suggested that I work in it. I am incredibly self aware, which I tend to think gains me no ground in maintaining a level head, however I don't know any way other than the way I am, so the world will never know if I could potentially be worse off if I weren't so aware. Although I might go ahead and say I have moments where my awareness has called in for the week or the month and maybe those would be the times I end up at odds with others.

That being said, on the subject of loser kids feening for love having severe side effects due to their lack of intimacy with others, I am walking, talking proof of this. I was an outcast from 7th grade on up. I was just like every other kid in elementary school, but on the first day of Jr high I found out that I was very quickly an unpopular fellow. Almost all of my old friends wouldn't so much as look at me anymore, except for my really close friends. Even some of them wouldn't acknowledge me in the company of others. I was the furthest thing you could possibly be from finding a girl to spend time with and high school was very, very difficult for me. Everyone picked on me, including the girls. It was quite terrible.

My friends had no problems at all finding girls and I always wanted to, but it wasn't even worth trying. Even in the company of my true close friends, when the topic of girls came up I was always told that I should "lower my expectations". Why? Because I'm ugly? Because I don't deserve what you're able to obtain for some reason? People don't give a reason when they tell you that, even if you ask them why it is that you should lower your expectations. Nobody is ever expecting you to ask them that.

I once approached a girl in the grocery store who didn't go to our school, she's beautiful, I still know her. She was nice and I got her number and we started hanging out, I was impressed with myself, briefly. She then proceeded to sleep with quite literally everyone I knew (including one girl), but never any action for me. That was a great feeling.

My name, Fabio, is actually derived from a sarcastic joke. I was deemed Fabio by my friend's Italian uncle who loved to point out how ugly I was. It wouldn't have mattered if I didn't like the name, it stuck like glue from the first time he said it. The "driven" part was added on later when Pantera released "Far Beyond Driven". I was more commonly known as Fabio though.

It wasn't until I was 19 that I found a girl. I love what I love about women, and I love beautiful women. I'll be alone before I pretend to be attracted to someone I'm not, it's simply just not an option for me to fake it. I got my first kiss from this young lady and we started dating, and we subsequently gave each other our virginity. That's the pinnacle of beauty in nature if you ask me. We dated for a few months until I frigged it up then life went on. When I was 23 or 24 I scored a grand slam when I started dating an absolute sa-mokeshow, just drop dead gorgeous girl. She was so much more than just looks though, she was everything. Everyone I knew was eating their words. Five years of that until my issues from war caused an end to that, and I wanted to die. Love is unfortunately almost essential to me and I spent a solid hour pacing in my back yard at that time with my 357 in hand. I thought that was it, I'd never be able to do it again because it was so hard for me to obtain that time.

Roughly two years later I was able to come through again when I landed "that one girl" from my home town if you could pick just one, it was like a dream. Another absolute knock out. Unfortunately her mental issues are very tough and she walks the earth leaving a trail of destroyed men behind her due to her awful upbringing. These are the people who feel as though for some reason others need to feel the pain they do. People talk about suicidal people as if killing one's self is the most selfish thing one could do, however it's difficult to carry things around in your head every day that cannot be shut off. Suffering is no fun, but I see no reason to express that outwardly.

As I find it difficult to get a connection from any woman who interests me from the opposite sex, some 20+ years after I'd been told I don't deserve to have a woman I desire, my biggest obstacle in my way is me. It's all in my head, ingrained in my formative years when I was my most impressionable, into something I now "know" so truly that to this day I cannot believe anything otherwise. It fills me with a hopelessness so complete and sucks every ounce of self value me to the point I don't even try anymore. I defeat myself.

If I happened to be told otherwise or if I'd been accepted by the other kids growing up, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

My whole point in sharing this is to bolster the point in this man's words. He is unequivocally correct. With what's in my head, if I were the type to express my frustrations outwardly then you could end up with a very unfortunate situation. I think the reason so many people express themselves outwardly with these atrocities is their inability to accept their own shortcomings therefore blaming the rest of the world in certain cases, but I do think sometimes maybe the rest of the world is to blame. As stated somewhere, being a loser is bad enough, leave us be please, but the salt in the wound is when you're kicked while you're down. I am very hard on myself for my shortcomings, but other people will actually celebrate your falling down and dance on your grave. They get something out of that, but they might have to answer for that someday. There is a give and take in this universe. My friends would make fun of me for not having girls and the girls that didn't want to be with me would make fun of me as well, on top of whatever hell I'm already giving myself. That's a lot to deal with and that will bring a man to his breaking point. My last girlfriend had to torture me on her way out, and there was no basis for retribution, I'd done nothing wrong. She knew me inside and out and knew what she could do to hurt me the most. Some men just want to watch the world burn (or women in this case).

Selflessness was actually taught to us in the army ad nauseum. That is likely why you see so many veteran suicides as opposed to veteran mass shootings. We are programmed to be selfless. These shite kids are just the opposite. They are selfish. Greedy, outwardly unkind, and unwilling to accept blame for anything at all they've done. You ever notice when you get someone into a corner and try to get them to admit something, they'll either come clean or say "well Steve helped me", immediately placing blame on someone else besides themselves? I don't care what someone else did, I'm talking to you. I'll talk to Steve later. Why would they even bring up someone else's name? What do they stand to gain from that? You either did something or you didn't, and you can own it if you did. You should. Passing blame when it doesn't even help your circumstances is the inability to admit one is wrong, and we're all wrong from time to time. There's nothing wrong with making mistakes sometimes.

Just as another tidbit to add, I was also brought to the gun range from a very young age, and shooting other people outside of a war zone was and has never been an option for me. It's never even crossed my mind. That's likely because I was taught the right way.

I hope I've gotten my intended point across, that this man makes an extremely valid point. I do not see any chance in changing things though, as we're already circling the drain. It's too late. People have mastered thy selfie, but very few work on mastering thyself. Almost every woman I encounter now takes an obnoxious amount of selfies, that's all they do. We're taught that everyone should look like Barbie and Ken and if you don't you're out of the loop. Bad enough not being accepted, but you can expect to be mocked instead of just left alone with your misery. This man has defined my misery possibly better than I've been able to. Seriously though, it's not going to stop. With technology and so many forms of social media, the only form of dating being via the internet, I still maintain we're up shite creek.

This has been depressing. I've been thinking about this post all day, I feel like I'm forgetting something though. I don't know. Basically life is tough, get a helmet. "The best country on the planet."

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[fabiodriven]

I just wanted to add, love is all I need. They say one must love themselves before anyone else will love them which makes perfect sense to me, but I'm in extenuating circumstances I feel. Love is the most important thing in life to me, and I've gone years without it. It seems so simple, I see others in love all the time, but it has proven so elusive to me. I have everything else in life, things others find so difficult to obtain, but none of it matters. I could be well tomorrow if the right person entered my life. It's likely that simplicity which makes my goal so difficult to obtain for some reason. It's also that simplicity which tells me that I am destined to remain this way, because it really shouldn't be this difficult.

If there are parallels between this mentally ill person (me) and those who commit atrocities, maybe love would help them as well. It seems extremely likely to me. We both share in lack of love being our undoings if I am indeed correct in that assertion, and I tend to think I am.

[Scootertrash]

Thanks for the insight from the perspective of someone who has experienced what you have.



On a semi related note:

Do you know why Barbie never got pregnant?



















Because Ken always came in a different box. :naughty:

[sledcrazyinCT]

Most of you are concerned about North Korea or possibly Russia. You know what scares me? America. America scares me because it is FUBAR, I feel there is no repairing it.

We are living in a nation of dumbed down people who are herded by politicians in a broken system who care for money and themselves and have zero concern about the people they are supposed to be representing.

Here is how your government works in this day and age. It is run by the greedy, for the greedy.

Isn't it amazing how many politicians end up wealthy on usually what's a rather paltry income? Does anyone else ever wonder why or how that is? Does anyone care a huge amount of politicians sell away our rights every single day?

Our country is sick, I feel it's beyond repair. Your vote is a waste of time, I should spit on my ballot and stomp on it with my combat boots soiled from defending my constitution (under false pretense). And here I go down talking the country that pays for my existence. THAT'S RIGHT, because I'm not being bribed. I'm being compensated and it's compensation that I've earned, so shut the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro up. "Vote them out", right? OK and what, vote the next crooked politician in? Someone "new and different" right? I've got news for you, there's no such thing in this country. There's a long line of greedy people just itching to take the seat of the pig before them. Elections are a giant smear campaign of lies and disgrace, which is fitting to sit on the throne and be the first to inform the flock of what they're going to believe today.

I lump all politicians together. I'm not a fan of cheeto head but Hillary? It speaks volumes to me that she would get as far as she has in life, that there are actually people out there who would support and believe such a wretched person. Her eyes say it all, every word out of her mouth is pure bullshit. It's absolutely stifling to me that fewer people were able to see. I know someone from Arkansas who worked on the governor's detail, probably in the 80's or thereabouts. They knew the Clintons very well, and she's exactly what you think she is. It's scary to me that someone could get so far being who. she is, but it's not at all surprising. Drain the swamp, ha! How about bulldoze Washington? How dare I, right? It's called being a patriot, I call em as I see em, and you can't see em but I'm calling em anyways. Maybe someday people will wake up but I don't think so. I think we're frigged, and that's the bigger picture Chop. I think none of that horse shite matters anymore because we are too far gone


Don't think you are alone regarding your opinion of D.C.

Cross Partisan political group With Honor focuses on Vets that are running for office......IMO we need more lawmakers with a veteran's perspective. Maybe their insight would help blend 2nd amendment rights, public safety, and awareness for responsible gun use.

“We salute them for their willingness to serve our nation again in a time when the number of veterans in Congress is at a record low,” Barcott added. “It is not easy, especially in this environment of shutdowns, partisan entrenchment, and skyrocketing costs to run for office.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzediQBxjjk



250486

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000161-2893-d52c-abe3-68d3c0110002

[fabiodriven]

I see where you're going with this. "President Fabio"... It does have a rather nice ring to it.

[sledcrazyinCT]

Speaking of POTUS anyone catch the open talks the last two days?

[ironchop]

Speaking of POTUS anyone catch the open talks the last two days?Not me. I'm woefully behind. I hear people at work talk so I get a tiny amount of current events coverage but man I am just wore out with the news anymore. It's like watching a freakshow unfold every day. Watching throngs of ignorant people bleat on television like a growing mob blame everyone but these kids is way past old.

My forecast: ARs get banned or heavily restricted and then we will have twenty five more years of school shootings with handguns before anyone in power wakes up.



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[Scootertrash]

I just got done watching some of the CNN / NRA town hall meeting. Interesting that when Dana Loesch, the spokesperson for the NRA brought up the fact that the shooter was visited 39 Times by law enforcement, was known to be dangerous and was kicked out of school for being a danger to others, why law enforcement didn't do something about him to make sure he didn't get a gun, like get his name into the NICS database. The sheriff's first response?

"Look, let's be clear about this, the only person responsible for this tragedy is..... The shooter himself." Completely ignoring the failure by his department and the FBI to make sure this guy got on on the NICS database so he couldn't get a gun. And then he proceeded to blame guns.

Once again demonstrating that liberalism is a mental disease.

They are also pushing a narrative on "Accessories that turn a semi-automatic into a machine gun". A total bullshit complete lie. They're talking about bump stocks. A bump stock DOES NOT turn a semi-auto into a machine gun.

This is all designed to distract. For those who partake of the occasional newscast to keep tabs on the enema......errr...enemy, have you noticed how since the "Russian Collusion" turned out to be a big fat nothing, this shooting took place just in time to replace it on the news?

Random act? Coincidence? Conspiracy? How many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6rHeD5x2tI

[Scootertrash]

Don't think you are alone regarding your opinion of D.C.

Cross Partisan political group With Honor focuses on Vets that are running for office......IMO we need more lawmakers with a veteran's perspective. Maybe their insight would help blend 2nd amendment rights, public safety, and awareness for responsible gun use.

“We salute them for their willingness to serve our nation again in a time when the number of veterans in Congress is at a record low,” Barcott added. “It is not easy, especially in this environment of shutdowns, partisan entrenchment, and skyrocketing costs to run for office.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzediQBxjjk



250486

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000161-2893-d52c-abe3-68d3c0110002

You would have to COMPLETELY clean house and start from scratch for this to work. 1 or 2 or 6 won't be able to overcome the corruption.

[sledcrazyinCT]

You would have to COMPLETELY clean house and start from scratch for this to work. 1 or 2 or 6 won't be able to overcome the corruption.

Apparently there are 150 veterans running in 2018 elections

[ironchop]

I just got done watching some of the CNN / NRA town hall meeting. Interesting that when Dana Loesch, the spokesperson for the NRA brought up the fact that the shooter was visited 39 Times by law enforcement, was known to be dangerous and was kicked out of school for being a danger to others, why law enforcement didn't do something about him to make sure he didn't get a gun, like get his name into the NICS database. The sheriff's first response?

"Look, let's be clear about this, the only person responsible for this tragedy is..... The shooter himself." Completely ignoring the failure by his department and the FBI to make sure this guy got on on the NICS database so he couldn't get a gun. And then he proceeded to blame guns.

Once again demonstrating that liberalism is a mental disease.

They are also pushing a narrative on "Accessories that turn a semi-automatic into a machine gun". A total bullshit complete lie. They're talking about bump stocks. A bump stock DOES NOT turn a semi-auto into a machine gun.

This is all designed to distract. For those who partake of the occasional newscast to keep tabs on the enema......errr...enemy, have you noticed how since the "Russian Collusion" turned out to be a big fat nothing, this shooting took place just in time to replace it on the news?

Random act? Coincidence? Conspiracy? How many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop?



yup. Two YEARS worth of warnings to everyone and no response.

As for nobody accepting responsibility, yeah thats contagious apparently.

None of these kids want to take responsibility either for what is essentially THEIR culture. I'm aggravated that this one child has been allowed to carry the gun control agenda and virtue signal for a week now. Not one HINT of he or other teen children taking responsibility for their own snowflake culture where being a nerd, being disrespected, or being rejected requires an armed response. The same teen culture that is bullying each other even more viciously now than ever before, apparently. The same teen culture that believes in participation trophies, eats Tide Pods, drinks race fuel and mountain dew, constantly takes photos of themselves, acts like pathetic whiny babies when life doesn't go their way. They`re even confused about their own gender and sexuality. They are long regarded as the MOST MANIPULATED age group of all the humans.....and yet we are giving these confused teens a "voice" (because it serves an agenda).....they cant vote so we are going to vote for them.....because social justice.

That little dick head murderous drunk driving affluenza kid is a perfect example of the problem with teen mindsets these days and the crap adults allow that reinforces this behavior. He can't be blamed for having zero compassion! He had to drink because the life of teens is SO HARD. They can't responsible

So now, just as Marxism intended the hierarchy of adult to child is now upside down and teens are reassured that NOTHING they do no matter how pathetic or tragic is their own responsibility. Its an adults fault. Its an adults problem. Meanwhile, they go on acting like self-righteous little punks and the media gives them all the attention they want only fueling more irresponsible and selfish behavior.

ARs have been available since 1963......Handguns far longer. Proof that this is a culture and parenting/education issue.

some local punks wanted attention so they staged a "walkout" the other day. Got on the news just as they intended. (children don't like to see other children get more attention than they do, so you get copycat instances, a known psychological phenomenon affecting teens and young adults.

I propose that the TEACHERS and administrators WALK OUT ON THE STUDENTS. That's what I said. Walk out in protest that students refuse to take responsibility for their actions and culture of snowflakery. Adults need to send a message that they are tired of teens holding everyone hostage with their coping issues. Adults are tired of creating legislation to protect other kids from punk kids. Adults are tired of shielding teens who have zero respect and ridiculous expectations. Adults are tired of first-responding, tired of cleaning up the blood, tired of sorting out the facts, tired of watching three months of the blame game on television while the media gives selfish children even more attention,

Are students dying because teachers are losing their pathetic minds? NO. Are students AND staff dying because children are losing their pathetic little minds? YES. Do I need to make a flowchart to explain this? It seems pretty cut and dried to me. Time to walk out on kids. Time to have a March for More Discipline and Better Parenting of American Teens.

Do adults also do mass shootings? Of course. Kids are still outpacing adults though in mass shootings and attempted mass shootings. Its time for us to get tough with these kids. Playtime is over. Nobody owes you anything. Ashley doesn't want to go out with you. Get over it and move on. Maybe ask yourself why you wanted a stuck up girl anyway. Bringing a gun to school makes you an automatic punk loser. Maybe the reason Ashley wont date you is not because you're not popular enough but because your a pathetic loser. Guess what loser.....you proved her and everyone else who picked on you right when your loser ass brought a gun to school because youre too weak for criticism or rejection.

I'm sure someone thinks I'm coming down hard on kids but heres the deal, we`ve been ignoring nature in favor of nurture and leftist parenting and education system methods with such doozies as "everyone gets a trophy" "everyone is special and equal" for over three decades now and guess what......these kids just keep maturing slower, getting more entitled, more selfish, more deadly violent, more narcissistic, and more blame-free than the generation before them and its only getting worse. This phenomenon is new, relatively speaking, and it all started when we gave children all the power because it made us feel "good"

The Children of the Corn are back and they want vengeance

[Dirtcrasher]

I've read a few pages and I'll say this:

My father told me what I couldn't do, and if I did or I lied about it, I was getting a spanking.

But here's the deal; Dad would make a new paddle each time I crossed that line. So, he wouldn't say crap to me all day after I screwed up, but I knew it was coming. And as soon as the saw turned on whirling away chopping wood, and the sander would be buzzing away, and last would be Dad climbing up the basement stairs while calling "STEPHENNNN!!". And I'd get my 20 whacks, and I told him I hated him each time.

I learned about consequences if I were to lie, steal or disobey an adult and it was the best thing he could have ever done for me....

[Scootertrash]

There were deputies there that did not try to engage the shooter and stayed outside, even after Coral Springs officers entered the building.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sheriff-armed-school-resource-officer-never-went-in-to-building-in-florida-mass-shooting/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html

https://wsvn.com/news/local/sheriff-armed-officer-at-stoneman-douglas-never-went-in-during-shooting/

[El Camexican]

Apparently there are 150 veterans running in 2018 elections

George W. was a vet. Just saying.

[ironchop]

George W. was a vet. Just saying.And Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were not........hmmmm

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[fabiodriven]

George W. was a vet. Just saying.

He was, and I don't know the details of his service but I will say this- George W was also a member of Skull and Bones, and likely was groomed to be president far before any of us ever even knew who he was. My father is an air force vet and the reason why he joined the air force was he was likely going to get drafted, so rather than being forced to become a ground pounder or a grunt, he chose a much better job.

The air force is essential just as every aspect of our military, but they are admittedly the easiest branch to be in. Their basic training is a cake walk, they have ridiculous food in their chow halls, and they have all the best equipment and no lack of funds. Our final mission in Iraq was to deliver fuel to Baghdad International Airport. We followed the front line and moved closer progressively until BIAP was secured and then that became our regular mission. We delivered fuel to the air force right along side of the runways. At that point in our deployment, our uniforms were destroyed and most people were missing pockets from their pants, had holes in their pants, and holes in their boots, and we were unable to procure new uniforms due to a lack of supply. In the rare instances we went south to Kuwait, the people in the rear with the gear would stop what they were doing and gawk at us as we walked by. Being "out of uniform" in the military is unacceptable outside of combat circumstances and something rarely seen and easily called out, so it doesn't happen. It was obvious we didn't have a choice so it was what it was.

After getting to know the air force guys we were delivering to in BIAP really well, we began to see how curious they were about what was off post, as they had never set foot out of BIAP. We'd bring them bayonets and whiskey, and in turn they realized they could do something about our uniforms. So one day they went around and got everyone's sizes and they outfitted almost our entire company in an under the radar deal. It was desperately needed and greatly appreciated. I also got to eat in their chow hall once and wow, that's all I have to say.

So in my long winded way basically what I'm saying is the air force are the glam boys of the military. The guys who fly the jets are like the Hollywood stars of the military, and their biggest concern outside of getting shot down is who they're going to plough out that night and if the chow hall has been able to procure more caviar. Again, I don't know the history of GW, but his service was very likely a cake walk. Everyone along the way knew who he was and the ultimate goal of a picture of GW sitting in a fighter jet was obtained. I'm not trying to detract from the service members who served in the air force as their roles are essential as well and their branch of the service is the way it is and has always functioned correctly the way it is. I will say GW's service would be easy for anyone to do with the help provided him. It was actually probably more fun than anything else.

[Scootertrash]

:naughty: :lol: :beer

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[ironchop]

That kid looks like a giant douche nozzle

His attitude all over the media pretty much proves my point in this thread about the delusional teens these days and how much they worship themselves.

Like a teenage Hitler ready to call for the imprisonment and gassing of all Conservatives

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[Scootertrash]

:rolleyes:

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[Scootertrash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvAbophptmM

[Scootertrash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37zoQLgqEy0

[ironchop]

Omfg...

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[sledcrazyinCT]

Damage is already done and the folks who agree with him will never admit Hogg is a flip flopper opportunist

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[ironchop]

Damage is already done and the folks who agree with him will never admit Hogg is a flip flopper opportunist


You called it. Never thought Vermont would flip the other way but....


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/30/us/vermont-gun-law.html


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[Scootertrash]

Fudds are and will be our biggest problem besides the anti-gun pussies.

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"What's a Fudd?", You may ask

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fudd

ETA: This:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin030802.asp

The Anti-Gun Male by Julia Gorin

"LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing. That's understandable--so am I. But as a girl I have the luxury of being able to admit it. I don't have to masquerade squeamishness as grand principle-in the interest of mankind, no less.

A man does. He has to say things like "One Taniqua Hall is one too many," as a New York radio talk show host did in referring to the 9-year old New York girl who was accidentally shot last year by her 12-year old cousin playing with his uncle's gun. But the truth is he desperately needs Taniqua Hall, just like he needs as many Columbines and Santees as can be mustered, until they spell an end to the Second Amendment. And not for the benefit of the masses, but for the benefit of his self-esteem.

He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something." The truth is quite the reverse. After all, how is he supposed to feel knowing there are men out there who aren't intimidated by the big bad inanimate villain? How is he to feel in the face of adolescent boys who have used the family gun effectively in defending the family from an armed intruder? So if he can't touch a gun, he doesn't want other men to be able to either. And to achieve his ends, he'll use the only weapon he knows how to manipulate: the law.

Of course, sexual and psychological insecurities don't account for ALL men against guns. Certainly there must be some whose motives are pure, who perhaps do care so much as to tirelessly look for policy solutions to teenage void and aggressiveness, and to parent and teacher negligence. But for a potentially large underlying contributor, psycho-sexual inadequacy has gone unexplored and unacknowledged. It's one thing to not be comfortable with a firearm and therefore opt to not keep or bear one. But it's another to impose the same handicap onto others.

People are suspicious of what they do not know-and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife--there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife.

Of course, it wouldn't be completely honest not to admit that owning a firearm carries with it some risk to unintended targets. That's the tradeoff with a gun: The right to defend one's life and way of life isn't without peril to oneself. And the last thing this man wants to do is risk his life-if even to save it. For he is guided by a dread fear for his life, and has more confidence in almost anyone else's ability to protect him than his own, preferring to place himself at the mercy of the villain or in the sporadically competent hands of authorities (his line of defense consisting of locks, alarm systems, reasoning with the attacker, calling the police or, should fighting back occur to him, thrashing a heavy vase).

In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man'scontainment."

Jewish World Review contributor Julia Gorin is a journalist and stand-up comic residing in Manhattan.

[ironchop]

Excellent post Scooter.

FUDDS are those sumbitches I DESPISED back in 1994. Them along with the NRA who took our money and promptly threw the SKS under the Clinton Reelection Campaign bus in order to save "muh huntin rifle' at the last minute....oh but the buying frenzy that ensued actually drove ownership of evil black rifles thru the roof and that train ain't stopped yet. If you'll remember, they sat on the gun store shelf collecting dust waiting for the occasional 'Nam vet/ collector prior to 1994

I never gave the NRA another dime since then and I tell them why every time they call on a membership drive. Ted Nugent can kiss my balls.

The 1994 AWB did so much more to promote the sales of EBRs than anyone else to date. That's when I bought a gun I would've never looked at twice before...the FN FAL (a Century Arms L1A1 to be exact) I followed that up with the Cadillac of FALs...Austrian STG58 unissued kit I had built on an Imbel receiver by Springfield Armorys service department. The STG parts kit was $250 (seller didn't know what he had) and that receiver was $185 new. The bill from Springfield was higher than the whole parts pile (close to $500 invoice) I had to sell it years later to pay attorneys in a nasty custody battle but I got $2K for it. I miss that one more than any of them combined to this very day.

The SKS were kept in a pile in trashcans at my local gun store to save rack space for the expensive stuff. A Russian SKS was $59 new. Chinese were $49 new. These are six times that now. My first Norinco AK variant was $245 out the door. After they dried up, they fetch about $1500 now. I bought two back in '94 and sold for a handsome profit years later. Mosin Nagants and Ishapore Enfield surplus WWII rifles were about $19-$25 each. The only expensive black rifle or "military" rifles were the Colt and Bushmaster AR15s which were exempted from the 94 ban. Colt was $850ish-$2100 and a Bushy pulled down about $700. The Daewoo DR200 was a finely crafted Korean 5.56 that used AR15 mags. They were $450 brand new in about 1994. Now they fetch $1800+ if you can find one for sale.

Of course, all politicians are invested in firearm stocks so they make money by spreading fear from both ends.

So now that my love of Evil Black Rifles (EBRs) is out of the closet....there's a couple others here on 3WW I know from gun forums but I won't out them.... here's where I'm going next weekend. Hoping to take my little sister this time. This will be my 30th something attendance of this event. THE Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot. Buy, Sell, Rentals, Submachine gun with Suppression match, Jungle gun match, Militaria, and Swap Meet that would make David Hogg and his kind pee their little panties and raise their little Skittles fists in fear and loathing.

http://www.knobcreekrange.com/events/featured-events/machine-gun-shoot

The most unique thing, besides renting over 100 kinds of full auto madness and flamethrowers, is the Night Shoot on Saturday nights. When it gets dark, everyone crowds up to the Main Range (where the big players with bigger pockets mofos whip out SERIOUS weaponry and burn cash like it was firewood...like the GE Minigun or quad 50s, dual MG42s) and they say a few words over the PA, and one guy has his hand on the breaker switch for all the outdoor lights.....when he throws that switch off, all hell breaks loose...with tracer rounds and explosions... (Warning, possible PTSD trigger for our combat vets here).....btw, I'm told the miniguns are loaded with a tracer every 100th Rd....you'll see it looks like a solid red stream though.

Enjoy

https://youtu.be/h11uEvGc7u8

https://youtu.be/BV4vOdvXx6o

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[Scootertrash]

One day the wife and I will make it to Knob Creek. I've seen the vids before, re-watched the ones 'chop posted. I think I felt a stirring in my loins :naughty: :beer

Went to one of the local ranges several years ago when my brother was in town and rented an MP5. A couple years ago when we went to MI for the wifes Moms funeral, one of her old school friends invited us over to hang out for beers and burgers. Her hubby asked if we were gun folk which resulted in the obvious answer. His next question was "Wanna shoot the Thompson?" I said "Sure. Are you talking a REAL Thompson?" He gave me a wink and said "Be right back". :w00t: Wife says "What's a Thompson?". I said "The machine gun from the WWII and gangster movies". "Really?". "Yup"

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She was scared at first, but after the first few rounds was grinning from ear to ear.

They do a machine gun shoot just North of me every year at the end of summer. Gettin' to be about time to go rent one or two and blast a few rounds.

Full auto is a blast, no pun intended.

ETA: In the dictionary under "Bullet Hose" is a pic of the MiniGun

[ironchop]

One day the wife and I will make it to Knob Creek. I've seen the vids before, re-watched the ones 'chop posted. I think I felt a stirring in my loins :naughty: :beer

Went to one of the local ranges several years ago when my brother was in town and rented an MP5. A couple years ago when we went to MI for the wifes Moms funeral, one of her old school friends invited us over to hang out for beers and burgers. Her hubby asked if we were gun folk which resulted in the obvious answer. His next question was "Wanna shoot the Thompson?" I said "Sure. Are you talking a REAL Thompson?" He gave me a wink and said "Be right back". :w00t: Wife says "What's a Thompson?". I said "The machine gun from the WWII and gangster movies". "Really?". "Yup"

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She was scared at first, but after the first few rounds was grinning from ear to ear.

They do a machine gun shoot just North of me every year at the end of summer. Gettin' to be about time to go rent one or two and blast a few rounds.

Full auto is a blast, no pun intended.

ETA: In the dictionary under "Bullet Hose" is a pic of the MiniGunThompson was the second select fire weapon I rented at KC . Heavy AF but easy to shoot and top-notch quality.

When you decide to come down, they do these twice a year every year, weather permitting. Rarely does the weather get in the way.

Bring ear plugs because like those pipes Jesse James used to sell, it's LAF

I'll buy the dinner and drinks

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[Scootertrash]

Bring ear plugs because like those pipes Jesse James used to sell, it's LAF

Wut? :lol:

My ears are f'd after all the years of shootin,' ridin' next to drag piped Harleys and screamin' wimmenz. The wimmen usually didn't start screamin' till the chloroform wore off. ;)

That and my tinnitus: EEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

I still wear plugs tho. Gotta save some of what I got left.

[greenhuman]

No mass shootings in Australia in 20 Years.. Gun control changed that there. Plus it dosen't help that the media over plays this stuff, some beleive many mass shootings are copy cat ones..
Exactly correct. If a kid or anyone else over here goes mental, they can't go and buy a gun easily or go under dad's pillow and grab his hand gun in the spur of the moment. Hard to go to school and kill twenty people with a slingshot. Never been a school mass shooting in Australia and we have our fair share of nut cases. People say the gun is an inanimate object but if it's hard to get it's even harder to commit mass murder or any murder at all for that matter.

[greenhuman]

Wut? :lol:

My ears are f'd after all the years of shootin,' ridin' next to drag piped Harleys and screamin' wimmenz. The wimmen usually didn't start screamin' till the chloroform wore off. ;)

That and my tinnitus: EEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

I still wear plugs tho. Gotta save some of what I got left.
Don't get me started about Tinnitus. It is a curse and I would love to inflict it on someone who doesn't understand it for just 10 minutes. Anyone else have it?

[fabiodriven]

Exactly correct. If a kid or anyone else over here goes mental, they can't go and buy a gun easily or go under dad's pillow and grab his hand gun in the spur of the moment. Hard to go to school and kill twenty people with a slingshot. Never been a school mass shooting in Australia and we have our fair share of nut cases. People say the gun is an inanimate object but if it's hard to get it's even harder to commit mass murder or any murder at all for that matter.

Guns are not as easy to get a hold of as our media would have you believe my friend. Our problem is not loose laws, we have a people problem. Society globally has taken a huge nose dive as of late in my opinion, however America is the epicenter of stupidity and lack of morals. Everything trickles down from America, you can see it in every facet of society globally, as American trends from years past are currently in style in other countries. I've never been to Australia, but I've traveled. I dare say there is a lot more hope for some countries (not all) other than my own. American children make me sick. I don't have a lot of time around foreign children, and you can't just label everyone either "American" or "non-American", but this country is in deep trouble my friend, and it runs much deeper than just making new laws.

Please do not believe the agenda that the problem here is the weapons themselves. When it comes to saving actual human lives, if that's the cause for someone to be so alarmed by firearms or firearm laws, why are these same people unconcerned with the countless other far more likely ways you can get killed in this country? Would it not make more sense to be concerned with something that kills far more people? Why is everyone concerned about the way you can get killed which is thousands of times less likely to kill you than your dinner or your car?

Everyone is concerned because they've been told they should be. Do not buy into the media machine please.

Also, I get tinnitus when my Lyme disease flares up.

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[Scootertrash]

A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.
– Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[ironchop]

NOT picking on greenhuman with this reply. I see those same statements made all over the internet......

Australian culture and American culture are completely separate things. This is a culture issue and a societal issue.

Here is an example of the problem with "no guns, no violent crime" arguments

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936

London has a slightly smaller population than NYC, London has much tighter gun control than NYC and yet outpaced NYC for murders.....with knives. Gun control hasn't stopped violent crime at all.

If a kid kicks and beats your child to death at school will you feel better since at least your child wasn't shot? Nope

If a kid only kills one other child at school, will you feel better because at least it wasn't 20 kids? Nope

Does a gun ban stop a crazy teen from trying to burn down the school with everyone in it? Nope

Did lack of access to guns stop my own psychotic and heavily medicated troubled nephew from building a bomb to blow up his classmates that were bullying him at school? Nope. Thank God he got caught with it before he could set it off. Do you think they sent him home to my sister with a stern warning and an expulsion? Did they ban all Americans from having bombs so this can never happen again and say "problem solved"? No, they put him in inpatient treatment for a year. They addressed the problem. Taking away bombs wasn't going to fix his problems. Treating the issue is what will change him for the better and will keep his classmates safe from harm.

Children should not want to murder anyone. When children want to murder people and it's become commonplace, we have WAY bigger problems than gun access. That's my point.

Not. One. Single. Person. has mentioned treatment rather than touting the success of gun control and calling it "fixed"

We do the same with our combat vets. We are quick to take away a combat vets guns because he has PTSD and then make it nearly impossible for him/her to get any REAL and LASTING treatment for the underlying issue.

AR15s have been available to the public here in America since 1963. You could order them thru the mail, no background checks, no age restrictions. No ID. No school massacres. Matter of fact, school massacres didn't happen even remotely close to regularly with ANY kind of gun until the early 90s AFTER gun control was tightened.

Hi-cap mags..... Parkland shooter used 10rd mags because hi-caps "wouldn't fit in his bag without being seen". Can't blame hi-cap mags.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202486304.html

AMERICA is ten times bigger than every European "gun ban" Utopia and three times bigger than Australia. Apples to oranges. I could say Aussies have a "bikie" war epidemic because MCs have much more instances of violence in Australia than MCs in Denmark but that wouldn't be fair to AU because it's ten times bigger and much more populated that Denmark. Again, the size of America and the population here is much larger, so if course there's more school shootings here. Our entire culture is shyte and violence. American third wave feminists are actively trying to destroy "toxic masculinity" (which means all masculinity) and relegate black males to prison and white males to the abyss of insignificance and Misandry. Male children and adults here are not allowed to have anything exclusive to them or even make-centric in focus....girls are. Boys can't be Girl Scouts unless transgendered but Girls can be Boy Scouts or else Lawsuits. Same with sports. Girls can join boys teams or sue for discrimination but boys can't join girls teams.....unless transgendered.

Do Australian kids spend six hours a day in first person shooter video games? Do Aussie children get indoctrinated in school to believe they should get anything they think they deserve so that when they don't, they flip out and use guns as a coping mechanism? Do Aussie doctors medicate millions of kids with anti-psychotics, anti-depressents, and legalized methamphetamine called Aderol for ADHD? Are Aussie parents banned from almost any form of punishment for their children? Does Aussie news media push agendas instead of facts or frequently twist facts and deify violent behavior? Do Aussie schools refrain from expelling children because it hurts their feelings? Do Aussie authorities ignore all the warnings and phone calls from concerned people BEFORE the shooting starts? Do Aussie children bully the hell out of each other online and in person relentlessly? Do armed Aussie school cops hide outside while Aussie kids shoot up their classroom? Are most Australian kids raised in single parent families? Are these single parents almost always female? Do Aussie fathers only get to visit their children after divorce 50 times a year? Or less? Do Aussie kids listen to music that extolls gun violence?

I'm asking honest questions because I don't know Aussie culture and society any more than you know American culture or Society. And entertainment/news media isn't an accurate barometer or indicator of real cultures anywhere, especially in a broad sense, or else I would be led to believe that bikies murder Aussies left and right and Neville Bartos got what was coming to him because Chopper Read is Robin Hood heroically saving Melbourne from those rotten drug dealers

Our culture is fed beliefs taught by the three most out-of-touch segments of society:
1) paid liars...we call them actors
2) elitist billionaires....we call them politicians
3) government propaganda artists....we call them journalists

This ain't cut and dried, black and white. I wish it was because if it was that simple, every American would just turn in their guns and all this would be over. All the law-abiding Americans, at least. You think all Aussies comply with your gun laws? I bet they don't. Teen kids in our most heavily gun controlled cities in America get guns even easier than these suburban punks and our gun violence rate there is much worse. African American kids have a different violence problem than Suburban white kids but they share one common denominator......lack of TAUGHT coping skills thus resorting to violence. No matter the tool of violence. Dead is dead. Not every school shooter can be swept into the "crazy pile" as some kids are pushed over the edge unless they learn to cope just like every suicidal teen is not crazy. Depressed, troubled, but not crazy and definitely NOT a lost cause or an acceptable casualty

More unarmed white people are shot by police here than blacks according to the FBIs own statistics but I'll bet Aussies don't hear that fact because Americans sure don't. I'll bet we aren't the only people who are being lied to by the media. Please try not to judge us until you know facts. Again, not being a dick, just asking for the benefit of the doubt and your media is no more accurate about American problems and the causes of those problems than our own media

Situation: I lock ten Australians in a tool shed together and tell all of you that two of your group is bent on anti-psychotic or Meth/Adderall meds and plotting to kill all the others......but I'm sure you feel safe because Australian gun control is effective so there's no need to worry, right? I already know your answer.

American teens love a fad....any fad. Matter of fact, for over forty years, American psychologists noticed that when one child commits suicide, others will follow soon after almost every time unless therapists step in and treat other kids. Copy-cat is a thing....even in adults. Making these kids infamous on the news is the very thing an antisocial, disenchanted, and Narcissistic teen child seeks. And our media reinforces that. Antisocial people seek negative attention.

I'm not trying to be a smartass but it's time for people to stop saying "it worked here, it must work everywhere" because that's nowhere near truth or reality. Two different nations founded on two different principles and governments by completely different kinds of people with completely different ideologies.

We're STILL missing the point.......you take away every gun on the effin planet......you're still left with a pile of pathetic children with ZERO coping skills and ZERO respect for the lives of other humans and ZERO empathy for each other.....so how the f#$&k has that fixed the problem with these kids and those personality disorders? It doesn't. It doesn't fix a damn thing and that's why I didn't want a gun control debate in this thread because it's still ignoring "The Bigger Picture"

Bans are simplistic, short term, short-sighted feel good non-solutions which still leaves the same problems completely unaddressed.

Give any antisocial loser a break open single barrel shotgun, 20 rds, no possible armed resistance and enough Klonipin to not give a damn and I'll bet you'll see 15 or more dead bodies.

My generation (1971-now) didn't grow up with school shootings and we didn't lose our minds over bullying or getting rejected by a girl or the cool kids lunch table. When we did resort to violence, it was with fists.... sometimes we would bite ......never had guns at school despite growing up with my own guns, loaded, on a rack in my bedroom since I was 14. Rural life rocks.




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[fabiodriven]

I heard about this roving gang in Australia, those of the likes you've never seen... They ride KZ1000's with straight pipes, all adorned with leather. Even an otherwise hapless housewife takes the occasional limb from time to time, it's crazy there. Poor Cundalini, he just wants his hand back.

https://youtu.be/tEIBWavc2Dg

[Scootertrash]

Another great post by the 'chop!

Here's a list of massacres since the '1997 gun confiscation. You'll have to scroll down to '97, too big of a pain in the ass for me to try to copy/edit/paste it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

Interesting to note that there are still "mass shootings" in Australia.

Note: I completely disagree with the criteria they use to define a "Mass Shooting"


The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and defines a "public mass shooting" as one in which four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition of the term "mass murder".

Also interesting to note is an increase in arson related deaths after the gun ban/confiscation. Also as chop noted, if somebody really wants to kill someone, they'll find a way.

If only murder was illegal. :wondering :rolleyes:

[Scootertrash]

F.B.I. UCR data for the United States

https://ucr.fbi.gov/

Number of murders with rifles for the last five years of completed data:

2012- 322 murders
2013- 285 murders
2014- 248 murders
2015-252 murders
2016- 374 murders

Total: 1,481 murders with rifles.

Number of murders in 2016 with knives or other cutting instruments:

1,604

Number of murders in 2016 with hands feet or fists:

656

Number of murders in 2016 with "other weapons:"

1,806

Arm yourselves with information and data.

There is very little actual threat from rifles. We are a nation of 330 million people. About 300 people per year are killed by criminals using rifles.

Even if the number was 10x the amount, it doesn't change the fact that the Second Amendment was designed to protect a citizen's right to self defense against tyranny.

There is a lot of other info out there regarding various ways people die other than "gun violence", like the CDC (Centers for Disease Control):

Drowning:

https://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html



From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day. An additional 332 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.

About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger. For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.1 (If my math is correct that would be slightly over 700 annually.)

More than 50% of drowning victims treated in emergency departments (EDs) require hospitalization or transfer for further care (compared with a hospitalization rate of about 6% for all unintentional injuries).1,2 These nonfatal drowning injuries can cause severe brain damage that may result in long-term disabilities such as memory problems, learning disabilities, and permanent loss of basic functioning (e.g., permanent vegetative state).

[Scootertrash]

I heard about this roving gang in Australia, those of the likes you've never seen... They ride KZ1000's with straight pipes, all adorned with leather. Even an otherwise hapless housewife takes the occasional limb from time to time, it's crazy there. Poor Cundalini, he just wants his hand back.

https://youtu.be/tEIBWavc2Dg

Don't forget these guys in the late 60's, terrorizing the beaches of California.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_aprVh2FQ


LOL @ "Carbon Monoxide Commandos" :lol:

[greenhuman]

These 10 Aussies are locked in a shed and two meth heads plot to kill everyone? Over here the two plotters will not pull dad's gun out of their duds and shoot everyone. I am still waiting to hear about the hero with a carry license stoping a massacre over there. It probably has happened but if it has I think that would be all over the news. We have all those things you asked about our society except the armed school cops. We don't even have school cops period. I am thinking it's like terrorists and nuclear weapons. If they could easily get their hands on them they would use them. I think you would find our two societies are more alike than you think except one is saturated with guns and the other is not. On a side note we have 28 million people and you have 300 million or There abouts.
Don't hate me. I like trikes too.

[ironchop]

These 10 Aussies are locked in a shed and two meth heads plot to kill everyone? Over here the two plotters will not pull dad's gun out of their duds and shoot everyone. I am still waiting to hear about the hero with a carry license stoping a massacre over there. It probably has happened but if it has I think that would be all over the news. We have all those things you asked about our society except the armed school cops. We don't even have school cops period. I am thinking it's like terrorists and nuclear weapons. If they could easily get their hands on them they would use them. I think you would find our two societies are more alike than you think except one is saturated with guns and the other is not. On a side note we have 28 million people and you have 300 million or There abouts.
Don't hate me. I like trikes too.

No no....I don't hate you. I'm not mad at you either. I actually have alot of respect for you. I'm honestly trying to figure out exactly why American kids want to kill their own classmates in growing numbers. Even granting that gun access makes it easier, it's still not right and something needs to be done outside of gun control or else the problem still exists.

Yes you have gun control and you still have crazies but I never heard much about school shootings in Australia even before gun control there. You guys must be doing something right raising your children because even with guns around before your bans, your kids weren't using guns to settle disputes in school unless I'm wrong.

Schools and churches both used to be safe spaces here but now they are favorite killing grounds. Something went off the rails somewhere

There are over 550,000,000 guns in this country. That's the ones they know of. It would take 200 yrs to find every one of these guns and melt them down if a total firearms ban was instituted tomorrow. That's 200 more years of escalating gun violence perpetuated by our society's most innocent and impressionable and 200 more years of dead innocent classmates because we melted all the guns, or so we thought, and we called it fixed.

There are instances all the time of CCW holders stopping mass attacks or even single attacks here. Most recently a guy (Muslim) in Nashville walked into a Christian church and started shooting but after he wounded two ppl, a concealed carry holder outside of the church stopped him after wounding him. He ran off to be captured shortly after. It made local Nashville news but never saw the light of day on the national news. This happens ALOT. If it doesn't fit the narrative, it doesn't get airtime. And you can't portray a Muslim immigrant committing terrorist violence against Christian folks being stopped by a common citizen with a gun, because it casts a shadow on Muslim immigration AND promotes the "common man saves people with a gun" narrative. Our news media has been on the take for years...

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveFranssen/status/980225137403314176?s=09

Suddenly they all networks unite and read off some kind of script because Americans are waking up from the propaganda stream so now their focus is to discredit alternative news sources by calling them all "fake news"....is there fake news here? Sure but it accounts for ten percent of alternative media sources that are not all owned by the same six corporations. They are out to destroy any way we have to get objective and truthful information here at all costs including uniting to read off the same script. Who write the script and how does one script get shared across several networks that are supposed to be independent to each other.... especially Fox who touts itself as the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro child, the rebel news source, the opposition. Fake opposition so that Americans believe they have a choice when we really don't

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[ironchop]

Here...armed citizens who stopped armed criminals bent in mass shootings

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/08/texas-church-shooting-not-first-time-good-guy-with-gun-takes-down-mass-shooter.html

I was wrong, Nashville shooter did get a little more national coverage than I realized...

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/nashville-church-shooter-stopped-usher-gun-his-own

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/gunman-opens-fire-at-nashville-church-killing-at-least-one/2017/09/24/e88f65dc-a156-11e7-b14f-f41773cd5a14_story.html

https://www.denverpost.com/2007/12/10/guards-hands-didnt-even-shake-as-she-shot-gunman/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/good-guy-gun-stopped-bad-guy-gun/

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-Shot-in-the-Chest-Inside-West-Philly-Barbershop-297176271.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/26/official-suspect-in-deadly-hospital-shooting-had-lengthy-history-gun-arrests.html

http://m.citizensvoice.com/news/police-plymouth-homicide-suspect-shot-by-patron-1.1370815

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/17251517/churchgoers-subdue-gunman-at-spartanburg-church

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html

I can find more if you need, greenhuman.

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[greenhuman]

Me and the family are coming over there next month for a few weeks. Think we will be ok? I do have a concealed pea shooter license lol.

[ironchop]

Me and the family are coming over there next month for a few weeks. Think we will be ok? I do have a concealed pea shooter license lol.Yes you should be fine although there are certain areas in certain large cities where far more people are shot and killed every day than are killed on any given day in a school or church...again those areas have a strong racial component but the media ignores these areas because it's not PC to report gun homicides in these areas.... it's considered racist or denegrating by our "leadership"

The problem with that approach as well, is that it perpetuates more violence by burying our heads in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist so as not to offend (mostly people who don't even live there but like to play social justice warrior in their spare time).

In my opinion, it's far more racist to ignore the plight of the innocent adults and children of these areas because it offends upper class progressive whites and people of color both who don't live anywhere near these neighborhoods. African American and other people of color deserve to have their issues pushed to the forefront and dealt with on a national level just the same as white suburban families, regardless of who it offends but the media seems intent on only profiling any gun violence that happens to black folks at the hands of police officers. Apparently, unarmed blacks can be shot more often by other armed black folks and for some reason it isn't worth even noting (it has to do with sowing civil unrest to further political agendas)...every day minority teens are gunned down but again, the media only cares if the perpetrator might be a police officer or the victims are some suburban white kids and a child named named David Hogg[emoji767] and Company...LLC

Hypothetically:

Aliens show up and beam all the guns in the world to Mars.....

I still want to know how to get children to stop hating each other enough to murder and I want to know how we can remove the moral decay here and teach kids to respect human life and have empathy for others. THAT is what will change the world for the better.

Kids that want to kill just grow up to be adults that want to kill. We already have enough of those kind of adults to deal with.

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[fabiodriven]

Since the topic of race has been brought up multiple times, here are the truthful statistics in regards to black people and violence. Yes, it's a 20 minute video, but it's 20 minutes of some rather startling information. Nobody cares about this though. I deactivated my bookface again last week, time for another break, but before I did that I had posted this video and it got absolutely no attention.

As I've said, this country has a people problem as opposed to a gun problem, but if you want to be specific and your true concern is for human lives, the cause of lives lost should be your first concern even if the true cause hurts people's feelings. That's the problem with this country, putting people's feelings ahead of the greater good.

I'm not a racist person, but the truth is black people are a huge part of our problem, and if you take the time to look at the statistics, they will clearly show you that.

https://youtu.be/dm_Vv3Q24uQ

[Scootertrash]

Heh, all these shootings are too convenient.

1. George Soros pulls 18 bil out of his own wallet and it vanishes into his network.
2. Mass shootings galore
3. Pre-written awb bills introduced in various states
4. Pre-planned and pre-paid(before shootings took place) protests staged then executed after shootings occur.
5. Wolf Blitzer drooling over everything.

[fabiodriven]

Scooter I hope you don't mind my saying, your views seem to have come around a bit in my opinion. There are a lot of things we both see the same way lately. I feel like you used to be a lot more rigid in your beliefs and took a lot of things for face value.

[Scootertrash]

I've always believed that there are things going on that we don't know about pertaining to the Elites that run everything. Some that are so far off the charts evil and perverse that most people couldn't handle it and wouldn't believe it if it were exposed.

I do have a habit of playing devil's advocate. Question everything. Everything.

I've posted about Soros before. I truly believe he is behind lots of this stuff. He made millions crashing the economy of Great Britain and he wants to do the same with the U.S.:

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/04/11/206-organizations-funded-by-george-soros/

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/oct/04/opinion/oe-ehrenfeld4

There is allegedly all kinds of things going on behind the scenes since Novemberish, about the time of the LV shooting. Some of it makes me want to reach for the tinfoil, but yet there are enough "coincidences" to keep me cautiously optimistic. I think it's going to be an interesting Summer.

Your posts about this country having a people problem are spot on. I don't think this country is fvcked. Yet. Turning things around could be potentially messy. I'm sure most of us would prefer that doesn't happen, but there are a lot of people with A LOT to lose. People with the power, money, and connections to try to crush any attempt to disrupt or foil their plans. But I'm fairly certain you already knew that.:naughty:

This latest tactic of Leftists using kids to promote an agenda is nothing new:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komsomol


The Komsomol had little direct influence on the Communist Party or on the government of the Soviet Union, but it played an important role as a mechanism for teaching the values of the CPSU to youngsters. The Komsomol also served as a mobile pool of labor and political activism, with the ability to relocate to areas of high-priority at short notice. Active members received privileges and preferences in promotion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth


The Hitler Youth were used to break up Church youth groups, and in anti-Church indoctrination, used to spy on religious classes and Bible studies,[18] and interfere with church attendance. Education and training programs for the Hitler Youth were designed to undermine the values of the traditional elitist structures of German society along with their privileges; their training also aimed at an obliteration of social and intellectual distinctions between the classes, so as to be replaced and dominated by the political goals of Hitler's totalitarian dictatorship. Besides promoting a doctrine of classlessness, additional training was provided that linked state-identified enemies such as Jews with Germany's previous defeat in the First World War, and societal decline.


“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”― Adolf Hitler

As soon as David Hogg, Emma Gonazalez and the others have depleted their usefulness they'll be kicked to the curb for the next round of useful idiots.

[Scootertrash]

Since the topic of race has been brought up multiple times, here are the truthful statistics in regards to black people and violence. Yes, it's a 20 minute video, but it's 20 minutes of some rather startling information. Nobody cares about this though. I deactivated my bookface again last week, time for another break, but before I did that I had posted this video and it got absolutely no attention.

As I've said, this country has a people problem as opposed to a gun problem, but if you want to be specific and your true concern is for human lives, the cause of lives lost should be your first concern even if the true cause hurts people's feelings. That's the problem with this country, putting people's feelings ahead of the greater good.

I'm not a racist person, but the truth is black people are a huge part of our problem, and if you take the time to look at the statistics, they will clearly show you that.

https://youtu.be/dm_Vv3Q24uQ

Excellent video.

I followed both Trayvon's and Michael's trails the best I could. During both trials the evidence came out that both boys were at fault for their demise. But you didn't see it in the media.:rolleyes:

Trayvon was actually at his girlfriends townhouse safe and sound and went back to "Kick that honkeys azz" or something like that. He dint no Darwin was out there too.....

ETA: Here's a point of view from a black woman:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7mZQvaQDk

[Scootertrash]

March 2018 gun sales eclipse previous March record

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/03/background-checks-for-gun-sales-shatter-march-record/


“Background checks for gun sales shattered a record in March while celebrities and Parkland gun control activists pushed for more restrictions on Second Amendment rights.
The previous record for March was 2,523,265 background checks in 2016, but FBI numbers show there were 2,767,699 background checks in March 2018.”

[Scootertrash]

:):beer:naughty::w00t:

251446

[ironchop]

Yeah when I lived in Indianapolis the Caucasian kids all wanted to be Dindu Nuffins too.

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[sledcrazyinCT]

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[ironchop]

More inconvenient facts straight from the FBI stats for the folks who don't think that armed (and even unarmed)citizens stop armed mass murderers.....

www.wbko.com/content/news/FBI-releases-active-shooter-statistics-for-2016---2017-482557221.html
Full report here...
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-us-2016-2017.pdf/view
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[ironchop]

This post is dedicated to Mikhail Kalashnikov....

"Yo I'm a thug....no limit soldier". " Don't get caught slippin!"

Not today, little beeotch

You got caught slippin. Your thug days are over, cupcake.....

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article212474004.html

I know this guy. Lives down the road a piece from me. Owns Cole distributing which sells guns and accessories. His cousin shot him with a .44 in a robbery attempt and Gary pulled an AK47 out of his safe and "emptied the entire mag in him"


http://www.bgdailynews.com/news/police-allen-homeowner-kills-intruder-in-invasion/article_646a8d9e-e30c-11e1-85d7-001a4bcf887a.html
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[sledcrazyinCT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBYJFoa33Rw

So the adults should be suspects for the dead 3YO boy abducted from Georgia found burried in a tunnel, yet the judge allowed them to post bail.......Yesterday NBC put up a blip why has the NM jihadist compound mysteriously been torn up.....Feds destroying a crime scene?


http://victorygirlsblog.com/new-mexico-terror-camp-razed-by-authorities-why-video/

[ironchop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBYJFoa33Rw

So the adults should be suspects for the dead 3YO boy abducted from Georgia found burried in a tunnel, yet the judge allowed them to post bail.......Yesterday NBC put up a blip why has the NM jihadist compound mysteriously been torn up.....Feds destroying a crime scene?


http://victorygirlsblog.com/new-mexico-terror-camp-razed-by-authorities-why-video/WOW

Nothing to see here.

Bet the FBI was already aware of them too. You know how they like sponsoring terrorists.

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[Tri-Z 250]

Dam I can agree with your statements, and believe that if you study the cases involved these underdeveloped brains ALL were subjected to drugs early on. In our quest to understand the in and outs of life the War on Drugs has lead them straight to the kids. If you needed to show id to receive good clean materials, you eliminate the mystic and the underground of who knows what your getting. LSD, POT, Cocain, Nitrious, Meth, Alcohol, Tabacco, Sugar ALL Damage the brain none of them help develope a window to wisdom. If you want to teach them about addiction, start with Sugar and preach a health and body to mind fitness LifeStyle. Also remember it's easier to get ahead later in life amongst a group of people holding themselves down with self inflicted habits. As an aged adult how important is your Health and Mind?

Back on topic: Goverment setup those idiots in Cleveland that were part of the Wallstreet campout downtown. The Alphabet soup needs stupid people to justify their jobs to help divert and spin the public view their here to help. The arrested parties where offered C4 and were lead into a trap to blow up a bridge on the freeway. None of these guys had military training...none of them could change a battery in a car let alone wire a bomb. I don't condone there participation and being stupid people with a cause; anymore than the time wasted and money spent on these idiots by our government catching them and sending them for years outta my pocket.

[Tri-Z 250]

You can have ALL the drugs you want ; just eliminate my property taxes and pay for Education from Daycare preschool to a 2yr college or trade school equivalency after getting a Highschool diploma. Legalize AWAY I'm in tax it all and let em get stoned. It will work itself out....by the way if your on assistance via Welfare you piss to get paid, the entire family of recipients( don't care the test cost the test will save more than it costs).

[El Camexican]

....by the way if your on assistance via Welfare you piss to get paid, the entire family of recipients( don't care the test cost the test will save more than it costs).

Unfortunately many politicians are happy to spend $100,000 a year of your tax money settling in a family of refugees with the hope that one day they will vote for their party, so it’s unlikely they will “piss” away votes that cost them so much less at this time in order to try and build a society that is responsible for its actions.

[ironchop]

...... in order to try and build a society that is responsible for its actions.


¡¡HERESY!!



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[Tri-Z 250]

Lake County Ohio, undocumented illegal kills woman in her own house near a MetroPark. He was sited by Police for traffic violation held to be picked up by Immagration. Too busy to come get him Police had to let him go, 2 weeks later Woman's murdered...for no reason, home invasion papers read. No government response, no apology, no loss of jobs, NO responsibility was taken for the lack of action by Boarder Patrol or Imagration soup team.

[Scootertrash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBYJFoa33Rw

So the adults should be suspects for the dead 3YO boy abducted from Georgia found burried in a tunnel, yet the judge allowed them to post bail.......Yesterday NBC put up a blip why has the NM jihadist compound mysteriously been torn up.....Feds destroying a crime scene?


http://victorygirlsblog.com/new-mexico-terror-camp-razed-by-authorities-why-video/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/08/30/child-abuse-charges-new-mexico-compound-case-dismissed-after-prosecutors-lapse/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.76af3752b50b


Two judges dismissed charges Wednesday against the defendants in the New Mexico compound case that has drawn headlines for weeks for its lurid and racially charged details, in a major blow to the prosecution.

[83ATC185]

I've been watching this, its very good. It's also hard to watch. It's the kind of thing that they need to be showing in schools. It really puts things in perspective.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80134093

[ironchop]

This has some insight..
https://youtu.be/azRl1dI-Cts

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[sledcrazyinCT]

This has some insight..
https://youtu.be/azRl1dI-Cts

Glad he turned it around. Compassion goes a long way when you feel like nobody cares you exist

[ironchop]

Glad he turned it around. Compassion goes a long way when you feel like nobody cares you existYeah and I think it has alot to do with a majority of these shootings.

The shooter kid in Florida recently was "ostracized by us for years" admits that female student that runs with David Hogg. She said her friends and her and "everyone" had determined he was a "weirdo" and a potential school shooter years before he ended up doing it so they felt justified in shunning him (and bullying him, I'm sure).... and yet NOBODY is making that connection.

Now I'm not trying to make the shooter out to be the victim because there's no justification for that kind of response to bullying but I think the kids who bullied him need to learn accountability for their own actions before they raise kids of their own and it might not be a bad idea to teach kids the social skills to realize that being mean to the wierd kid isn't ever a good idea long term. Because school shooters.

In minority communities with high homicide rates, the conditions are a different kind of f*cked up than what a white suburban kid would understand. The results are the same though and very predictable. Southside urban black kid gets jumped/"dissed" by some other kid(s) and the guns come out ..sometimes involving whole groups... Suburban white kid gets beat up and picked on publicly at school for a period of time and the guns come out.

Two totally different kinds of oppression and challenges to a young man's masculinity for these boys from two completely different ethnic and economic groups... And both situations end up with bullets flying either inside the highschool at Whitesville Gardens or down at the variety store on the corner of MLK and OJ street in any large urban neighborhood USA.

Young men with no sense of self-worth and no hope or sense of purpose get guns and decide to make other people hurt as much as they do and prove that they're no punk. The poor urban black (or white) gang banger kid gets street cred within his subculture or a prison sentence and the suburban white kid eats one of his own bullets (because nobody in The Burbs likes a mass shooter) or he gets a prison sentence as well.

I really don't know why we treat these like completely different issues when they are obviously related. The triggers are different (except concerning absentee fathers which is universal) but the reaction and results are pretty much parallel

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[Dirtcrasher]

The state MN let those people go free. Feds picked them up later on gun charges.

They're back in custody...