The Red Pill Thread

[atctim]

As I know many of us 3 wheeler guys are very very like minded, now is the time for the Red Pill to be introduced to some of you who may have never heard of it. It has certainly changed my life for the better. I see so many of my close personal friends get so down and out because they are Blue Pill. This can all be changed as education about Red Pill is something that is not taught in places of education. Some men have a Red Pill mentality naturally. Most do not. Ever wonder why some guys have incredible luck with beautiful women? That is because they know the Red Pill. I started this thread after Ironchop and I talked about it ever so briefly on another thread. We thought it might be best to start our own thread here for all to join. Think of this thread as a campfire. Pull up a chair, all are welcome.

A bit of information: First of all, the name "Red Pill" or "The Red Pill", and mostly shortened to "TRP" comes from the movie "The Matrix" where you can take the Red pill and see what the truth is, or you can take the blue pill and live blissfully ignorant. Red Pill Theory is hated by feminists and has even gotten a bad name. What the TRP is not: hatred, superiority complexes, or sexist, although the lamestream media would have you believe it is. The Lamestream media would have you believe it is all about woman hating. It is far from that. There is a movement within the movement called MGTOW (pronounced "Mig Towl") and short for Men Going Their Own Way. There are a ton of acronyms in this movement and we will cover most of them as this thread grows. A few very common ones are PUA=Pick Up Artist, AFC=Average Frustrated Chump, LTR=Long Term Relationship, LDR=Long Distance Relationship. A few key words are also used and a list can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2zckqu/updated_glossary_of_terms_and_acronyms/?st=jdw2ci9k&sh=e5989eff

Without this first post being too long, TRP is really about men being men. It's about personal responsibility. In a world where the pendulum has swung so far into the "Feminist men hating culture" where masculinity is considered toxic, men are being falsely accused in the Pound Me Too movement, where men are court ordered to stay away from their children, TRP is here to teach men how to deal with life from a masculine perspective and approach.

A bit about me. I was an AFC for most of my life. From as far back as I can remember until about 2 years ago, I wondered the age old question: why is it women tell me I'm "too nice" and I never got the girl, yet that same girl would go for an arsehole in the blink of an eye. How could it be that me spending my hard earned money taking women on dates, only to be turned down or blown off for a second date. The reason glares me in the eye everyday now. Women DO NOT want a soft "yes dear" man. They want an assertive leader. A captain of their ship, a decision maker. They don't want a guy who will jump when she says how high. BTW, that can be considered a "Shite Test" and they are out to get you every where. It comes natural to women. To test you. Are you a suitable mate? There is so much to be covered with TRP - I will go no further today, but I will stop back daily for updates, to answer questions and to share more knowledge. If you have a chance, there is a great book that lays it all out. It is called "The Rational Male". I am finishing it up and would be glad to stick it in the mail to anyone who wants to read it next. If you are blue pill, it will make women easy to read and you too can understand where you went wrong over the years. My next update will be "Biology and Chads". Stay tuned. Ironchop - feel free to add to this and hopefully we are still on the same path to educating all of the AFCs out there to live a good life where they don't scratch their heads as to why a woman is mad at them for doing everything she has asked him to do. It doesn't work that way unfortunately. Hint, men communicate overtly, while women communicate covertly.

Closing: I am not bashing women and will not bash women. I love women.

[fabiodriven]

I'm completely ignorant of this subject and watching intently.

[Rob Canadian]

I'm completely ignorant of this subject and watching intently.

Me too. Just heard of this the other day. I think I lived under a rock or in Canada or something. :)

[ironchop]

I'm going to find some links to post up later.

I think another thing that bears mentioning is that this Stuff isn't all about picking up women. That's one component for sure but its a great way to get your masculine power back so that even if you do get rejected, you'll have the tools to keep your masculinity and self respect in tact so that you're not a sniveling mess which is even LESS attractive to women and also off-putting to your male peers.

Stalking your ex and crying and begging her back is an example of losing your self respect. This stuff teaches men to buck up and move on. Nobody takes back a crying sissy anyway

White Knight is a term you'll hear alot too. A white Knight is a man who plays rescue guy to the "damsel in distress" as a way to find love. He always takes up for women because "woman=fragile" (a sexist train of thought, ironically). He will virtue signal his belief in all sorts of feminist memes because he thinks it will help him score if he shows his social justice and empathy...he's a "good guy" after all, and he deserves love. That's the mindset of a white knight. Good quick way to get friend-zoned.

Like Tim said, regardless of what you hear, this is NOT male superiority or movement seeking to mysoginize or keep ladies from voting. It's also about teaching you the skills to land a worthy mate and also to be more successful in life. It helps you recognize good qualities in women instead of judging them by the golden triangle. It also helps you recognize your own weaknesses so you can address them. Now it doesn't celebrate women. It's about men. Feminists can handle cheerleading for women. Red Pill is helping men reclaim their masculinity and leadership roles in society and teaching them not to be whiny snots when things don't go their way. It's also about trying to understand the mystery of women AND maintain your own male identity in the process. It's also a great tool you pass down to young males.

More in a bit

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[ironchop]

Primer...Jack Donovan

https://youtu.be/i-JWqHlKpU8

Jordan Peterson


https://youtu.be/fesSvXKxYd0


https://youtu.be/ikMKYQMXY5Q

https://youtu.be/RVVmhnmUj6A

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[ironchop]

Joe Rogan and Jordan.

BTW ...Jordan is the professor who got shamed and attacked for saying he would refuse to use any other pronouns than 'him' and 'her' when addressing people so everyone lost their PC minds

https://youtu.be/_thOaDxUl3g

The tactical virtues...

https://youtu.be/PoLv7qqLqBI

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[Bren_downe]

Agreeded. I've only recently been on the JRE train but I thoroughly enjoy it. His episode with Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein was a good one too.

[ironchop]

Probably should have given the backstory as to how this all became a thing.

Many men feel that Western Males are experiencing an existential crisis of identity and finding meaning in their lives. Alot of us believe this is why we are still having so many more issues as of late regarding misplaced aggression and guns.

Many men believe that there is a push to villify masculine qualities, tendencies, and virtues. Maybe to effeminate us and make us docile and compliant but I really think it's being fought by a group of disenchanted females searching to place blame for their own unhappiness at the feet of the opposite gender

Examples:

Men typically fare far worse off in custody hearings regarding divorce. In almost every case with only a few exceptions, Woman are already predetermined to be better at raising children than men. Ok if this were always true but, regardless, most courts deem fatherhood something that only needs to occur every other weekend. Four days a month or the equivalent of roughly 52 days a year to be a father. The remaining 313 days are are spent with the mother who's trying hard to fill both roles for her children. Equality does not exist in divorce especially where kids are involved. 52 days a year to be a present father figure. Think about that.

Media. Men are usually portrayed as many different things. Most of them either negative or downright libelous. We are portrayed as bumbling idiots incapable of such things as raising kids or being left unsupervised with kids. It's usually subtle but sometimes overt. The men portrayed in media who are given no sexual value in the real world display such qualities as empathy, a willingness to please women, irrational fears, a degree of insecurity, mostly beta in personality in media portrayals. These men always get the girl.un the movie despite this being nowhere near the truth in real life.The make characters who are masculine or alpha are portrayed as loose cannons, with violent tendencies, irrational fears, frequently destroy what they touch and overkill are all key components to this stereotype. They like to call it "toxic masculinity"

Western Males are no longer allowed to have any club, group, or institution that is exclusively comprised of males for male interests. You can't be a Boy Scout unless you allow girls to join. You can't have male only clubs, no male-only military programs left. No Men's Studies courses at universities. Everything meant for men by men has been sued and subverted into compliance for equalitys sake.

Nobody said girls can't be equal. I'm saying that boys aren't suing Girl Scouts to join and even if they did, they would lose. Because woman are given this mythical victim status by feminists and white knight types. We are all potential attackers waiting to happen, according to some, and woman are all potential victims (more of that sexism disguised as leftism)

Men are portrayed as abusers, bullies, sexual predators, creepos, potential evil, bumbling morons. We are blamed for microaggressions, priveledge. There is no such thing as a good man to some women or any third wave feminist. They think we only have different degrees of being a potential violent attacker.

Woman are also assumed by some to be morally superior to any man and this idea is often reflected in media portrayals.

Boys are discouraged and often banned from defending themselves because violence offends people. Some are offended because it reveals truths about themselves that are hard for them to swallow. Ban the truth.

Metrosexual.....and the whole "stop shaming me for being effeminate" "I'm comfortable with myself so I wear androgynous clothing". Any of you walked into the men's department of your local clothing retailer lately? If you don't want bedazzled jeans and pastel colors with polka dot bowties, then you're stuck wearing skulls and rebel flags or tapout to signal you're an alpha (nothing against either of them just not my thing either way). Not too much masculine sharp clothing for manly men.

You can respect women highly without the need to emulate them or project a false image of yourself.

Men are judged as an entire gender. It's been a trend for a long time. There are huge double-standards of conduct everywhere you look. Confident men are portrayed as arrogant douches. The notion that men get together as a group and even individually plot to oppress women using our "good old boys" networks to destroy suffrage and civil rights alike is a favorite mass media theme. "Any woman makes a better leader than a man" "we have to vote Hillary because she's a woman"...imagine telling women you voted against Hillary or for Trump because shes female. The fallout would be epic. Double standards.

Again it's not about being bitter for feeling powerless to women or lacking respect for women. It's about regaining your self respect and respect from others after you learn to recognize certain truths regarding the fundamental difference between the sexes.

Alot of men allowed people with agendas to teach them what is expected of them from society and especially concerning women. Men tried to do the right thing for the most part which is what got us into trouble. It's one thing to admire or respect a woman or live WITH a woman. The problems arise when you live, act, eat, breathe FOR the woman. You'll both end up unhappy at some point soon.

Feminism in the sense of empowering women and cementing civil rights, is a positive thing for them and society BUT the problem is that, at some point, it became about tearing down masculinity and men more than it was about true empowerment of women. Feminism started defining not only the role of women in Western Society, but the role of men as well. The last thing men need is to be instructed in masculinity by those who could never understand it.



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[86T3]

Dear ATCTim and Ironchop,

I'm an LTR, have long flowing locks and the body of a professional baseball player. Been married 6 years, don't remember my last BJ. What can I do to remedy this situation. Asking for a friend

-NotSwatland

[Scootertrash]

What the hell is (a) swatland?

[atctim]

Dear ATCTim and Ironchop,

I'm an LTR, have long flowing locks and the body of a professional baseball player. Been married 6 years, don't remember my last BJ. What can I do to remedy this situation. Asking for a friend

-NotSwatland

Dear NotSwatland,

If your wife is showing signs of withdraw in fellatio department, I would suggest sticking around in this thread and learning how to open that closed door back up. Off the top of my head, I would suggest using a bit of dread and hitting the gym more often. Dread info below.

Sincerely,
ATC-Tim

The 12 Levels of Dread

Dread Level 1: Learn to recognize and start passing shite Tests. Begin building a strong, indefatigable frame where you are not affected by her sexual denials. Your readings will inform you about the basics of Pickup Artistry and seduction. Begin leading your wife more and begin seducing her. . Read the sidebar on The Red Pill, Married Man's Sex Life by Athol Kay, No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover, and the Book of Pook by the enigmatic manosphere blogger of the same name.

Dread Level 2: Develop an action plan to improve the major areas of your life. Develop the physical, spiritual, psychological, financial and personal areas of your life. Your journey begins at the gym where you need to lift heavy weights to exhaustion 3-4 times a week, working each muscle group at least 2 times a week. Read The Mindful Attraction Plan by Athol Kay.

Dread Level 3: Begin to build a life apart from your wife. Join a club. Take up a cause, discipline, or calling. Get busy. Read the Way of the Superior Male by David Dieda and the Art of Seduction by Robert Green.

Dread Level 4: Begin conditioning your availability to your wife with her treatment of you. Your are busy now. You don't have time for a sexually disinterested, annoying, or angry wife. Take up another cause if you need to. This is a great time to join a martial arts club. Read The Ironwood Collection of Alpha Moves by Ian Ironwood.

Dread Level 5: Upgrade your clothes and start dressing ‘up’ more of the time. Top off your solid, masculine, strong, indefatigable frame. You should be acting like the Captain of your Ship and leading your relationship. You should be actively using Kino and seducing your wife. Read The Rational Male by Rollo Tomossi.

Dread Level 6: Begin to study pickup artistry. Before you do anything stupid, use your newfound knowledge about the stages of seduction and pickup artistry on your wife. Give it some time and apply this knowledge to seducing your wife. Use pickup game first to try and save your marriage. Read Bang, and Day Bang by Roosh.

Dread level 7: Begin to practice pickup artistry and learn how to approach pretty women and hold an attractive conversation. Read The Natural by Richard Ruina.

Dread Level 8: SHOW your wife that you are capable of talking to pretty girls in public. Start with waitresses. If you are with your wife and it has been 20-30 days since she gave you the 'favor' of her body, and you strike up a conversation with a pretty young thing right in front of her 1 or 2 things will happen- probably both. First she will lose her shite and accuse you of all kinds of things. MAINTAIN FRAME/Amused Mastery. You are finally getting your wife to respond. That is the important thing- there is hope for the relationship. Second, shortly after you get home she will probably screw you with more passion than your honeymoon. Read Models: Attracting Women through honesty by Mark Manson and at least one other book among many choices on pickup artistry.

Dread Level 9: This is the lynchpin. It is time to speak plainly but don’t start issuing ultimatums. Instead, Dread at this level is an implied and credible, but still as yet unspoken threat. If it has not worked before now and you are approaching Athol Kay's "Option A" or "Option B" point (i.e. start screwing me like I need or I am filing for divorce). Note this is the END of a LONG process. Give the first 7 steps about 1 month for every year of your marriage where you have been a Beta toe stub pushover BUT, it is finally time to start speaking in masculine language- directly and up front. After yet another sexual denial just look her in the eye and say something like: "You know I need to have sex with you to have a relationship. You understand this is a biological need for men, right?" Don't argue, don't get into emotional blackmail. Leave it hanging in the air and then disappear for several hours. I recommend you continue doing this a couple more times in different contexts. Avoid getting into drama or an argument. Your goal at this level is to inform her in no uncertain terms about your expectations WITHOUT getting drawn into a battle. When you are getting along pretty well, ask her what you can do together to get to the requirements that you have for the marriage. This stage can last only a couple of weeks but may last longer. Writers recommend that you not let this hang for very long or you risk going all the way back to the beginning. If it becomes clear that your wife is not going to meet your demands, there is only one thing you can do after you read your Bible and pray.

Dread Level 10: TELL her how it is going to be- or else you are leaving and filing for divorce. I got to this point in my marriage before it turned around. I told my wife: "You have a simple choice to make. F me...or F you." If you make it to this point you must be mentally checked out enough and pissed off enough to actually move out and file for divorce if things don't improve. Your IDGAF is no longer an act. Read The Art of War and The 48 Laws of Power.

Dread Level 11: Get a GF or mistress and start having sex like you were meant to have. Read The Joy of Sex.

Dread Level 12- Thermonuclear: TELL your wife that you have a GF so you won't be bothering her for sex any longer unless she wants it (because you would never deny your wife something that she wants and needs). Then when she blows up leave for the entire night. Come back next day (if you want) or file for divorce. By this time you would probably welcome the loss of this shrewish, frigid woman.

[atctim]

For today I want to talk about Biology and Chads. We must not forget, we are mammals, and that makes us animals. We are pre-programmed for certain selections in our reproductive lives. Certain women will make you crazy by just the sight of them. Why is that? It is because we are programmed to reproduce, but not only to multiply, but to make healthy strong babies. And nothing makes a healthier baby than a healthy mother. There is a reason most guys are not attracted to obese ham planets. This is because biology says making a baby with a sick woman will get you sick off-spring. It is something we can not control as it is pre-programmed. At this point I will mention this, and will continue to mention it as it is so very important, yet most of us can not see it. Attraction can not be negotiated. Again, and read it slowly: Attraction can not be negotiated. And this is where Chad comes into play.

Chad Thundercock, generally goes by just "Chad". Chad is bigger than you. He is faster than you, smarter than you, way better looking than you. Chad is smoother than anyone you know with the ladies. Chad is who makes females mad with sexual desire. Chad is invincible. You are not and never will be Chad! You will never be Chad. Chad is the guy who is blurring the lines in the feminist agenda regarding harassment. It's OK for Chad to tell Betty how nice she looks at work, and Betty will blush and gossip with her friends about Chad telling her so. In the meantime, shy, not so smooth Edgar tells Betty the same thing. Because Edgar does not give Betty the lower tingles, she seeks out HR and files a complaint for Edgar telling her she looks nice. This is a huge double standard. this is feminism working against 90% of men because those 90% don't give them tingles, and thus are "creepy".

From a biology aspect, men and women have very different roles to play. Men are the hunters, builders, the protectors, the inventors. Men are also, and still very important to this very day, family providers. Women are the gatherers, the care givers to both young children and elderly. Women are the feeders, the counselors, and the home makers. For the sake of saying this, these are traditional roles that have worked since the beginning of time until just after WWII. Society has changed a lot since WWII. Men built this country and we should all be very proud to be men. Without men, our world as we know it both economically and infrastructurally would crumble in a few short years. From a biology stand point women want a strong healthy provider. They want a man who will lead them through life. They want a man who is stoic! They need a man to be their rock in every situation. Women need a protector. Women need a man to be financially stable. The problem with our current culture is that 3rd wave feminism shoves the idea that men and women are equal down the throats of everyone - including our lawmakers. Women and men are not equal. I'm not saying either are better or worse, but I am saying men are stronger than women. Men are expected to pay for dates and provide for families. We have all been told since we can remember, that you never hit a girl. If a girl hits you, you never hit her back. That isn't equality! Feminists want equality where it is beneficial for them, but not in all situations. This is a huge issue. It is our responsibility as men to be all of the things I mentioned above as traditional roles of men. Even though the roles of women have evolved, there are still basic biological principals that make us tick. We as men need to continue doing what we do, and do it even better. I am kind of getting off track here, but feel free to discuss! Tomorrow's subject will be "the Hamster Brain". It will make tons of sense to anyone who scratches their head and says, "I'll never understand women". Today's advice: Hit the gym hard. Be the best you, that you can be! I'll leave you with this for a thought provoking meme:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rqx5rs9MvPc/maxresdefault.jpg

[ironchop]

Dear ATCTim and Ironchop,

I'm an LTR, have long flowing locks and the body of a professional baseball player. Been married 6 years, don't remember my last BJ. What can I do to remedy this situation. Asking for a friend

-NotSwatlandLike a fat baseball player ...or the fit ones?

I'm surprised your game isn't ironclad since you got that giant bang bus you drive around

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I'll bet your game is better than you let on so for other guys, this may help

I was one of those guys who worshipped females and was raised primarily by them. I put them on pedestals and had impossible expectations of them. I actually got my redpill from two women friends of mine who told me back in the late 90s what I was doing wrong. One of them is now my wife of 18yrs... I was a "friend" who became attractive to her after I started listening to what she was saying and changed my demeanor. Girls don't like broken men. She left her husband and we started dating. My buddies were in awe that I could get a woman "out of my league" but in all honesty, "out of my league" is a mindset and a good way to lose before you even try.

Complacency is a real killer. I try to continually work on and market myself as a good catch so my wife stays interested

Now at times, it gets stale. No BJs for a little while until I started working to make myself more exciting again like when we first met, confident, and mysterious. As a result, I started getting attention from girls in public and at work, flirting with waitresses, coworkers. Not cheating,just flirting... and the next thing you know, she was initially "how dare you" but later than evening she was suddenly turned on and out to cement her grip on her "territory". It may have been that she was acting out of jealousy or felt threatened OR maybe she started being passionately attracted to me again because I was being attractive enough to get her attention again.

Women dig excitement. My wife (who despises feminism) said that she and other women will sometimes start huge fights for no other reason than to add excitement to the relationship. This is why fights often end in makeup sex (unless you concede trying to be a "supportive nice guy" and then it's no box for you!)

My wife also clued me in, when we were just friends, about how many women were interested in me and I had totally missed the signals. It sucked because there were quite a few good opportunities I blew because I didn't know any better.

I think this is key to starting the conversation with women. Stop giving a damn to an extent.

https://youtu.be/YFi8X1yiTnQ

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[ironchop]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rqx5rs9MvPc/maxresdefault.jpg


True story.

I was the production manager of a manufacturing plant a decade ago and I had a string of sexual harassment claims by female employees over a two year period and I also had physically witnessed one of these victims playing grabas with another two male employees. Well we had a zero-tolerance policy so people were let go over these instances.

The men understood why they were being fired. Two of the women fought me tooth and nail because they firmly believed that sexual harassment laws only apply to men. They told me this themselves. Then they both, independently, told me that they didn't want certain men to lose their jobs over what I witnessed. I asked these ladies "what is the difference between Jim doing that or Ben".....the answer I got was "well Ben is attractive and Jim is gross" I fired both ladies. They hired one back because she claimed she was unfairly targeted because "sexism".

This has been the mindset of four out of five women I have ever written up for harassment. That's not to say this is an accurate representation of all women but it's fairly damning nonetheless.


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[atctim]

Great write up I-Chop! What I have been taught and what you explained is called "Mate Guarding". It is generally the end game in dread game. If you are in a LTR, and things get a little BLAH - so you start a little dread game, generally the female will take notice and "Mate Guard". When she sees others taking an interest in you, because "YOU ARE THE PRIZE!" they will come to their senses and mate guard you to keep you around. they don't want to lose a good sure thing that they already have. In females, mate guarding can be a fierce fight - and sometimes ends with angry, nasty cat fights.

Human mate guarding refers to behaviours employed by both males and females with the aim of maintaining reproductive opportunities and sexual access to a mate. It involves discouraging the current mate from abandoning the relationship whilst also warding off intrasexual (same sex) rivals.

[bkm]

Dear ATCTim and Ironchop,

I'm an LTR, have long flowing locks and the body of a professional baseball player. Been married 6 years, don't remember my last BJ. What can I do to remedy this situation. Asking for a friend

-NotSwatlandTell your "friend" it can all be traced back to when your "friend" started riding 4 strokes and 4 stroke quads.

[ironchop]

Know your enemy. Listen to this utter NONSENSE. This is what men are up against....

it's called Misandry


https://youtu.be/290eollXo4A

Yet another woman defining what she thinks masculinity should be.....

https://youtu.be/RbX76n6A160



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[fabiodriven]

What the hell is (a) swatland?

It's when you break your friend's leg.

[fabiodriven]

There is obviously tons of great information here already, and so many things I've been doing wrong. I have thought about these things for a long time and always had a suspicion about many of these things mentioned, this just confirms it.

I'm already on top of the physical exercise aspect so that's good, however in posts #13 and #14 there are A TON of books mentioned to read, lol. Obviously nothing easy is worth doing, but post #13 alone is a solid year's worth of homework. Again, that's doable, and anyone looking to make such drastic changes must expect to put in some serious work. I suppose if that's what it takes. Speaking from my own standpoint, I've pretty much been doing everything wrong and I have no idea how I've ever even gotten laid in the first place. I'd also like to add that women suck.

I did pick up a few tidbits already from what was posted so that's a start. I'm still in Hawaii at the moment so the videos will have to wait. Thanks again guys.

[Scootertrash]

It's when you break your friend's leg.

:confused:

I thought maybe it was an island somewhere in the Pacific, not far from Gilligans Island, where lonely males went to "swat it" inperpetuity.

[fabiodriven]

Lmfao. Swatland is actually the member on here known as "86T3". His main hobbies are quads, keeping me awake all night at Trikefest, and not being able to kick start his 500.

[bkm]

Lmfao. Swatland is actually the member on here known as "86T3". His main hobbies are quads, keeping me awake all night at Trikefest, and not being able to kick start his 500.With hair like that, I'm surprised he doesn't have a personal bike starter travel with him.

[atctim]

Gentlemen, This is just the start. So much more to come. Once you know - things will all fall into place, with ease, and you'll be dumbfounded as to why no one ever taught you any of this. Again, no one teaches these things to young men (or old men in some cases) and we all end up AFCs. Meanwhile Chad is plowing 90% of all the women and we look on in disbelief!

[atctim]

Know your enemy. Listen to this utter NONSENSE. This is what men are up against....


Yet another woman defining what she thinks masculinity should be.....

https://youtu.be/RbX76n6A160


Regarding this video, the first thing that comes to mind if what TRP refers to as "Frame". You must always always keep your frame. Especially in relationships with women. TRP defines "Frame" as: Frame - The context in which something is perceived. Maintaining frame is often cited as the most important aspect of Alpha behavior.

We will cover more on this later as well, but when dealing with women, or even other men, frame must be maintained at all times. Think of it as keeping your cool no matter what the circumstances. Think of it as the way you are portraying your true self - but you get to control what if anything is revealed. Think of it this way. You take a lady friend out on a date. You asked her out, you are footing the bill. You will talk about only what you want to talk about. If the female tries to drag info from you that you don't care to share, but you fall for it because she is beautiful, you just lost frame because you are now in her frame. She is now in control - and you are now an AFC. Keep her in your frame ALWAYS. The minute you lose frame and fall into her frame, you are now a blue pilled beta. The oddest thing of all is she desires nothing more that a Red Pill Alpha man, yet she will lead you like a horse to water to become in her frame. This is all hard to get my thoughts to text, but, women don't actually want what they lead you to believe they want. Keep her in your frame and none of this will happen. Remember, the one in the relationship with the power is the one who has less to lose. She doesn't want a guy to say "Honey - I want to take you out to dinner. Where is your favorite place to go?' What she actually wants is for you to say" Honey, I am taking you out to dinner. We are going to Texas Roadhouse (or wherever YOU like to go - or she likes to go). She wants and desires a leader, but she will never tell you that. As a matter of fact, many LTRs are ruined because the woman wants all the power, but then when the man relinquishes power to her, she finds that is not what she wants at all. Basically, most women don't know what they want. this is where you come in, the Leader, the Captain, THE MAN!

The woman in this video wants boys to become like little girls. What if all of some generation soon are all completely feminized and no one is masculine? Who will run stuff? Who will fix things? Who will protect, provide, and move heavy objects? We'll end up in a society of what we are currently seeing on college campuses everywhere. A bunch of whiney little snowflakes that need safe spaces, and someone to look after them. You can not lead when you are not a Red Pill Man. Plain and simple.

[ironchop]

. Again, that's doable, and anyone looking to make such drastic changes must expect to put in some serious work. I suppose if that's what it takes. Speaking from my own standpoint, I've pretty much been doing everything wrong and I have no idea how I've ever even gotten laid in the first place. I'd also like to add that women suck.



Yeah I'm a work in progress. I still have to brush up on this from time to time when I start slipping. This stuff was so deeply rooted in me and I wasn't just being a beta with women, it's what I was projecting to everyone no matter the gender. Once I stopped projecting cuck and started de-programming myself, I started getting better jobs and being more successful in leadership roles than in the past.

I used to believe that a man should treat his woman like a princess and make her feel safe by doing whatever made her happy blah blah blah like the plot to a disgusting chick flick. They kept losing respect for me and dumping me.

Now, while I give respect to women, it's only when deserved and not presumed that's she's respectable beforehand.

The big thing to remember is that you're naturally going to be pissed with this red-pilling because we've been trying to do the right thing all along as told to us but alas, we were lied to. It made me feel like an even bigger chump once I realized. You might want to blame women as a group for a minute. I did for a time. Maybe resent them at the least. Hopefully no hate. Just remember that, like a child, when men reward this poor behavior in women all these years, this is what we get. We can't be mad at anyone but ourselves and maybe our fathers. My son, who I red-pilled is just too addicted to the Magic Box right now to use his head so it's frustrating. I want to dislike his gf but I have to remember that I can't blame her for his lack of self respect.

Alot of guys who have trouble relating to women get on this bandwagon and misunderstand the message. They percieve that if you treat women like crap or objects, you'll be rolling in vulvas in no time flat. This misses the point. We need to keep vigilant at improving ourselves and have something to market in the first place.

I'm constantly de-programming myself even now. This isn't something you can dump over a month or two.




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[atctim]

Could not agree more with all you said Ironchop. I have been doing this for 2 years now and constantly find myself slipping up with Blue Pill Beta ways. When something is programmed in you your entire life, it is hard to come out of it - even when everything you knew was all a lie. Unless you are an Alpha male, everything you think you know about women is wrong. Everything you thought you were doing right was not right, but infact hurting your relationships. It's crazy to think about really. Self improvement is where the change begins. I think self improvement is a life long project too. You always have room to grow and improve no matter what we are talking about here. Women will take note is the difference.

[knappyfeet]

OK......I still dont really know what the h..e..double hockey sticks we are talking about.

Is this about scoring chicks?.......dealing with male insecurity?.....

A quick outline of the cliffnotes version would be helpful to use "slower" folks.

[El Camexican]

OK......I still dont really know what the h..e..double hockey sticks we are talking about.

Is this about scoring chicks?.......dealing with male insecurity?.....

A quick outline of the cliffnotes version would be helpful to use "slower" folks.

I’m still trying to absorb it all, but I think it boils down to HTGLARBHCAWEIYNF, or “How to get laid and respected by hot chicks and wives even if you’re not Fabio”

[bkm]

OK......I still dont really know what the h..e..double hockey sticks we are talking about.

Is this about scoring chicks?.......dealing with male insecurity?.....

A quick outline of the cliffnotes version would be helpful to use "slower" folks.The Readers Digest version is Swatland had a "friend" who used to pull mad tail until he started riding 4 stroke quads.

[big specht]

You guys are giving me a headache. And my legs are numb now cause I set here and read this whole thread in one shitting. I think it is a lot easier to learn how to cook and and run it buy hand and buy what they f*ck you want to buy than to deal with all that BS. Just my .02 lol

[ironchop]

OK......I still dont really know what the h..e..double hockey sticks we are talking about.

Is this about scoring chicks?.......dealing with male insecurity?.....

A quick outline of the cliffnotes version would be helpful to use "slower" folks.1) there seems to be a concerted effort by some to destroy the concept of masculinity because it threatens them somehow. Usually Marxists, hard left liberals, and third wave feminists are leading the charge with the help of schools and vapid Western culture

2) Western males of every race/type are having a bit of an increase in identity crisis and/or sense of purpose as of recently.

3) Psychologists like Jordan Peterson, Sociologists, and many others believe that this crisis of masculinity is responsible for everything from depression, to lack of focus, lack of coping skills, addiction and substance abuse, physical abuse, self deprecation, marriage and relationship troubles, lack of productivity, anger control issues, and violence.....just to name a few

4) Red-pilling is a somewhat generic term used to describe learning certain inconvenient truths about human nature. It has different applications. Politics, PC culture, race, gender, dating are all topics. For the purpose of this thread, gender roles as they pertain to marriage and romantic relationships are the focus.

5) I don't consider it to be only about picking up women although some guys do. I would call this a lesson in human ego, self-reflection, leadership, the psychology of sexual attraction, and how to be an alpha or at least strive toward that goal. I have a wife so I'm not lookin but I dig that she is all over me even after all this time.

6) this is important because the human prime directive is to procreate and that's hard to achieve when your culture emasculates men almost daily and women often send mixed messages about their expectations of men and masculinity

7) The reason that sex and dating are emphasized for red-pilling here is because this is the area of our lives that seems to impact all others. Fabio pretty much poured it out for us. We can see how much that his love life is having an impact on his self worth and his level of happiness. This is true for many men and women alike and he's surely not alone. The most powerful men in the world have been brought to their knees for the pursuit of a woman. We've all been there. We throw all other focus out the window. It's only natural to assume that improving a man's sexual worth will also improve his station in life overall as a result.

8) NOBODY wants to live in a country full of sniveling man-sissies who have trouble coping. That's how we get mass shootings and guys stalking and harming women, rape. All of those things are tragic attempts to regain masculine power the WRONG way.





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[knappyfeet]

I’m still trying to absorb it all, but I think it boils down to HTGLARBHCAWEIYNF, or “How to get laid and respected by hot chicks and wives even if you’re not Fabio”

lol.......... that's the new Nico Suave biker line biker patch....HTGLARBHCAWEIYNF

I'll sew it on right next to the DILLIGAF patch.

[knappyfeet]

1) there seems to be a concerted effort by some to destroy the concept of masculinity because it threatens them somehow. Usually Marxists, hard left liberals, and third wave feminists are leading the charge with the help of schools and vapid Western culture

2) Western males of every race/type are having a bit of an increase in identity crisis and/or sense of purpose as of recently.

Thanks Chop for the clarification.

Let me be the bad guy and throw race in here........ the target has always been the white male. Sure....generally males suffer but nothing like the white male...the root of all evil in so many people's eyes....they have been emasculated far far worse and it shows. And as soon as the white male starts taking Nugenix and shows some masculinity he is cut down quicker than a spark in a dry field...and is labeled racist and homophobic and sexist....all because you revved the engine a little too much on your neutered/emission compliant choked Camero. No wonder its hard to gather the courage to go up to a female......it's a hate crime to say "nice outfit" to a lesbo/feminist/cat adoring/purple haired freak.....they will scream "neanderthal!" and run to get you Katelyn Jenners new book on normal.

[Arky-X]

Caitlyn Jenner was named Glamour's Woman of the Year in in 2015.
Hell, women couldn't even get that right so they got a man to do it.

[ironchop]

Thanks Chop for the clarification.

Let me be the bad guy and throw race in here........ the target has always been the white male. Sure....generally males suffer but nothing like the white male...the root of all evil in so many people's eyes....they have been emasculated far far worse and it shows. And as soon as the white male starts taking Nugenix and shows some masculinity he is cut down quicker than a spark in a dry field...and is labeled racist and homophobic and sexist....all because you revved the engine a little too much on your neutered/emission compliant choked Camero. No wonder its hard to gather the courage to go up to a female......it's a hate crime to say "nice outfit" to a lesbo/feminist/cat adoring/purple haired freak.....they will scream "neanderthal!" and run to get you Katelyn Jenners new book on normal.

Yes. This is what I meant above about race being another component.

I don't know that it's always been about just white males though. I know it is now for sure. I think black males were the focus before back when Hillary implied they were "super predators". These days, they are certainly going after exclusively white males. Probably so as not to alienate dispossessed black Democrats.

Everyone is well aware of the impact of fatherless homes in black communities and how it translates into violence and gangs and now highschool kids in white suburbs are getting a taste of the repercussions of a trend away from masculinity in their own way. The tools of attack are the same, the lack of value for human life is the same.

I watched some speeches by black Nation of Islam leaders about this subject. They believe that the lack of fathers teaching masculinity in the homes of black kids are causing this same identity crisis in black communities. They believe that single black mom's are raising either effeminate young men or outright violent thugs because these are the only prevalent choices for young black men to emulate and they blame white feminists for attacking masculinity and serving as a bad example for black women and families. Regardless of the racist implications of those statements, we can still agree on the need for male role models and teaching masculine values to young men for any race.



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[fabiodriven]

OK, I'm all caught up on everything posted thus far as far as videos and what you boys have written is concerned. Obviously I have a lot of books to read. I already have a very firm grip on this subject and it's all making complete sense to me. My first reaction, which was actually yesterday, was the feeling of how much of a chump I've been for so long. You mentioned feeling that way as well Chop. From interactions with women I had the day before yesterday all the way back to old relationships, hundreds of circumstances flashed through my mind where I could see exactly what I have been doing wrong all along. This is going to be good for me.

I will be home in two days and once I get back into my element and settled in I'm going to start all over and review this all again. There are A LOT of areas that I need work in, however the good news is there are multiple areas I already have on lock. I'm going to move my couch out of the living room and move my weight bench in there and clear more floor space for working out. I've been doing well with the working out lately, but I have enough time to do far more, and that's what I'm going to do. I think it might be a good idea to dial it back a bit on the chronic as well. Obviously I'm a huge advocate but too much of anything can be detrimental most times. It does make me docile and non-confrontational and I get the impression already that's not going to help me very much in what I've learned so far.

Post #19, with the unfortunate woman in the videos... My frigging word, that was truly disturbing. I'm kind of hyper receptive to things I watch, which is either why I omit so many forms of programming from my life or a product of me omitting so many programs from my life. Either way, that made me very, very angry. I didn't like it, but then again, I guess I could use that anger for something according to what I've just learned. I've avoided that feeling for so long that it seems to impact me more. It's actually been tough for me at times here with my dad in Hawaii because I have ended up watching absolutely awful TV shows that give me a headache from my effort in trying to block them out. I have no idea how people watch TV shows, they're so awful. I watch Roadkill and Top Gear and it's been that way for years, that's it. I'd not seen or heard commercials in years either, and those are impossible for me to deal with. I've watched a lot of commercials here. At least in the car when commercials come on the radio I can just reach over and mute them. While I was watching that woman spew her sexist tripe my head started hurting bad, so I indeed now know my enemy. I hope to not have to get to know my enemy any more than that, however I will if that's what's required.

Specht I have no idea how you do it. My nature is to feel every minute I've not accomplished something to benefit my love life is a wasted minute. Perhaps that's a flaw, I don't know yet. I'm guessing we've not yet gotten to that. I'm not just talking about phucking, although that's on my mind every waking moment as well. I might guess I have to care less like you do to a degree, but it sounds to me like you have zero drive to succeed in these areas at all, and not just with women. If you're OK with that, good for you, but I can assure you that I am very grateful already that this has been brought up.

[Scootertrash]

Caitlyn Jenner was named Glamour's Woman of the Year in in 2015.
Hell, women couldn't even get that right so they got a man to do it.

Not to mention at that time "she" still had a peenski. Well, at least one that wasn't turned inside out.;)

[Scootertrash]

Most of the stuff in this thread I learned by trial and error thruout my teens. By my 20's I had most of it figured out. Like most others there were times I let the poon get the best of me. It happens. Like 'chop, I just had to reevaluate what I was doing.

Bottom line guys- Be a man, not a pushover. Don't treat women like sh!t, but don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

As far as the really hot chicks? Now matter how hot she is, some guy some where is sick of her sh!t.


LOL! Autocorrect kept trying to turn "poon" into "spoon" :wondering. :lol:

[ironchop]

Caitlyn Jenner was named Glamour's Woman of the Year in in 2015.
Hell, women couldn't even get that right so they got a man to do it.You know Arky as soon as I heard this, my first thought was 'why aren't women furious about this?' .....the BEST WOMAN they could find in 2015 was a dude pretending to be a woman. That's insulting to me and I wonder if any women feel the same

That's like nominating Rachel Dolezal as African American of the Year.

Nothing is sacred

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[atctim]

It's actually been tough for me at times here with my dad in Hawaii because I have ended up watching absolutely awful TV shows that give me a headache from my effort in trying to block them out. I have no idea how people watch TV shows, they're so awful. I watch Roadkill and Top Gear and it's been that way for years, that's it. I'd not seen or heard commercials in years either, and those are impossible for me to deal with. I've watched a lot of commercials here. At least in the car when commercials come on the radio I can just reach over and mute them. While I was watching that woman spew her sexist tripe my head started hurting bad, so I indeed now know my enemy. I hope to not have to get to know my enemy any more than that, however I will if that's what's required.


I realize this might not apply to you Fab, but for anyone else tuned in to modern "crap" on TV and on commercials, take note: Men, and Dads in a family setting are portrayed as idiots, while mom is portrayed as the master mind who keeps everything running. Men in general are being portrayed by the lamestream media as complete fools. This simply is not reality. It seems most guys I know in relationships have to do everything for their ladies - just the opposite of what we see on the idiot box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOGdgvbX5Ls

It all goes back to the RP saying: "Women are like children, and should be treated as such." Later when we cover "Amused Mastery" which has become such an asset to me in my situation. Amused Mastery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L_dq7aD4hs

[atctim]

You guys are giving me a headache. And my legs are numb now cause I set here and read this whole thread in one shitting. I think it is a lot easier to learn how to cook and and run it buy hand and buy what they f*ck you want to buy than to deal with all that BS. Just my .02 lol

And this is why MGTOW is perfect for some people. I often think if things don't go right this time, I will become MGTOW. I can cook better and clean way better than my special lady friend. So what am I in it for? At this point I am in it to raise her fatherless boys to become men of integrity, not some typical asexual tool-bag with zero respect for authority who is a waste of space and air. Everyone is in it for different reasons, but MGTOW is a great way to go with your mind set and there is nothing wrong at all with it. Watch this video and tell me it doesn't work perfect for you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzdpJVA_nQ

[atctim]

I am liking all the input and conversations thus far gentlemen. I'm glad Ironchop is well versed on the subject as he is much more better than I at word-smithing. Thanks I-Chop! Keep up the good work. Today we shall cover "The Hamster Brain". Everyone has a Hamster Brain, both men and women, however, the majority of women have a Hamster on steroids VS the cute little critter in your head that only get on his hamster wheel every once in a while. Sometimes referesd to as "hamstering" or "rationalization hamster". Basically what it means is that a woman will come up with an alternate reality to make her bad decissions OK in her head. Here are a few Hamsters I stole from another site, but I think it will make you understand what it means better:

Bad Decision:
“I’m going out and getting drunk with my friends.”

Resulting Consequences:
Drunken and unsatisfactory hookup sex with a stranger.

Hamster Processing Result:
“I was drunk and he took advantage of me or maybe even raped me! Maybe it was a date rape drug!”

Final Result:
“It’s not my fault.”

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Bad Decision:
“I deserve only the most attractive and successful man despite the fact that I don’t have much to offer in the context of dating and relationships.”

Resulting Consequences:
Can’t find any man for dating or a relationship or only has one-night stands.

Hamster Processing Result:
“There are no good men” or “Men suck”

Final Result:
“It’s not my fault.”

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Ever since this concept has been brought to my attention, it has alarmed me at how often women do this. Again, this is not just a woman thing, as men do it from time to time as well. It is a coping mechanism, however when used in every situation where you make a bad choice, it becomes a HUGE problem. It all goes back to the victim-hood mentality that we see so often with modern feminism and humans in general being weak and not knowing how to cope with "real life". It's sickening that people can not accept that bad choices always lead to bad results. But rather than learning from mistakes and moving on, the hamster makes it ok to repeat the bad decision making it time and time again.

What it all boils down to is women, for the most part, for most of them (notice I didn't say all) will never admit guilt. It's a feature, not a bug. For what ever the reason is, maybe making themselves feel better about themselves, it is unconscionable for me. Maybe it's a man / woman different wiring issue, maybe it is used as a wall to stop the slut shaming within the women's community, but I would rather guess it again goes back to the victim-hood mentality that women use to their advantage ad nauseum. Below are some very educational and interesting copies of what others say about the Hamster.

"The vast majority of women simply won’t understand the concept of the rationalization hamster. This makes the hamster immortal. Sure, it can be slowed down, but it always lives on. Hamster wisdom is now passed on to the younger generations of women with messages of “you deserve anything you want” or “you’re a special snowflake”. The hamster has become an integral part of our social fabric."

"Interesting insight. It explains why the hamster will sometimes say stuff that makes no logical sense. For example, when you bring up an LTR's frigidity, and she says, "You just want sex, sex, sex! Why don't you just get a prostitute, rather than a girlfriend?"

When I hear that, I think, "That's like if I were to go into a restaurant and say, 'Excuse me, I ordered a burger with extra onions but there are hardly any onions on this; can I get some more onions' and they were to say, 'All you want are onions, onions, onions! Why don't you just buy a bag of onions and eat those, rather than ordering a burger?'"

No, I want a burger with lots of onions. (Or an LTR with lots of sex.)

But in her mind, if you want more of something, that means you ONLY want that one thing, because from her perspective, it FEELS that way. I could just as easily say, if a girl I was in a sexual relationship with kept asking me to buy her stuff and pressuring me to make more money, "Why don't you just become a prostitute, if all you want is to get as much money as possible for having sex?""

[fabiodriven]

This is pure gold, all of it.

[Scootertrash]

10 foot?

How 'bout


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00zuDUNTeXM

A little rock trivia:

That scarf Steven Tyler had on the mic? He had secret pouch sewed into it. Kept himself a stash of pills to get thru the show.

[HondaRidr]

I'm very intrigued by all this and have read/watched all that has been posted so far!

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[Scootertrash]

I like the way the line runs down the back of her stockings. :naughty:

[sledcrazyinCT]

Here you go Fabs.......Happy Friday!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew1EUn-qRhw&feature=youtu.be

[tripledog]

I chose the little blue pill. I put it in my shoe. It made me limp.

[Scootertrash]

'Bout time you showed up Mister!

Had a coworker that kept getting his wife pregnant. Went to the doctor to see what they could do to prevent it from happening again. Doc gave him a box of condoms and said "follow the instructions and your worries will be over.

3 weeks later they show back up at the doctor and sure enough she's got a bun in the oven again. The doctor says "Did you follow the instructions in the package?" The guy says "Well for the most part. We don't have an organ so I put them on the piano.

[Scootertrash]

Here you go Fabs.......Happy Friday!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew1EUn-qRhw&feature=youtu.be

I love how their legs go up and make a perfect ass outta themselves:naughty:

[tripledog]

We don't have an organ so I put them on the piano.

Actually, I think they are supposed to be put on the pianist.

[Scootertrash]

Actually, I think they are supposed to be put on the pianist.

That's only if the neighbor popped over.

[ironchop]

Documentary film maker and former feminists reveals what she learned while working on The Red Pill documentary....

https://youtu.be/3WMuzhQXJoY

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[fabiodriven]

I wanted to add this to this thread, thank you again Ironchop for posting it. I'm very grateful for everything suggested thus far.

https://youtu.be/vEo885Qiqic

[atctim]

Dog gone it, I made a long post this morning and now it's gone. Let me try again. While I do so - check out Pordan Peterson addressing an elephoant in the room - I am a big fan of Jordan's. He is brilliant, and his answers are always spot on!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ahmzySUB8

[atctim]

I think some of you guys are not taking this thread seriously. Honestly, if you are only interested in mocking, or making funnies out of it, please do so elsewhere. This thread is for sharing, learning, and accepting that what is being portrayed on every media outlet, and most likely 99% of every woman and 85% of every man out there is simply wrong. What you have been taught since childhood is wrong. The Disney fairy tale is wrong! People's perceptions are now so far off as to what is actually happening behind the curtain is nothing more that a sham! Please stick around if you want to learn and share, otherwise, your snarky, semi-comical jabs are becoming an annoyance. There are lots of other threads to go make jokes in. Not to say we can't joke around here, but it seems most are so blinded that the ones who see it for what it actually is, are the ones being looked at with a raised eye brow.

So this brings me to something I'll bet I hear once a week. "Happy Wife, Happy Life". This makes my ears bleed and I want to grab who ever says it by the throat. Let's examine what this means. It means if your wife is happy, then all is well and good, but if your wife is not happy, watch out. This actually means you are in charge of your wife's happiness? How is this so? Is she in charge of your happiness? I would certainly think not. If you rely on your special lady friend for your happiness, you will never be happy. Putting your life's priorities on your spouses mood at the moment is ridiculous to say the least. I find it so appalling that this has become the normal. Another one that really irritates me is all the women who post this crap all over facebook. One that sticks out to me is "If you can;t handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best". Again, let's examine: How I read this is you don't deserve me being my best me unless you first put up with all my bitching and moaning. First off, you as the man are the prize! Always keep that in mind. If you hit on a chick and she is not having it.....too bad, she missed out on the prize. AGAIN - and repeat slowly - YOU ARE THE PRIZE! So the entitlement of a woman telling her man that he doesn't deserve her unless he can validate all of her bad behavior is just the hamster clocking it's 1/4 mile times. This is nonsense , yet people believe this crap. I know darn well any of you who are on facebook have seen this post. I dare any one of you to post up the counter of this. As a man, copy and paste this: "If you can't put up with me being a complete tool most of the time, you don't deserve me when I am a gentlemen one day a month". Go ahead, post it up and see the backlash you get. So many other cliche sayings coming from women on social media, if turned to the other gender would be super offensive to them, but hamster it as you will ladies. I'll give an actual account of what I mean. This is true, so some chick from my town always posts her dirty laundry all over facebook. One day she had a post , something along the lines of "I don't need a man in my life, because I can do everything a man can" - or something like that. Like two days later, same exact girl posts, I need some men to help me move some things from my apartment. - The irony made me laugh out loud. It is just ridiculous, that these disillusion women, while in their mind can do anything a man can, but when reality sinks in, they need help all the time. So why broadcast how you don't need help? Because it makes them feel better about themselves. Today's blue pill world is all about feeling good without putting in any hard work.



I want you to read this and think about it's content. This is from a woman, who I have never met, but admire so much because her line of thinking is where I wish most everyone's was. She get's it. She knows Redpill and accepts it for what it is. I'll leave you with this nugget of wisdom from her:





It really is the whole "but I'm not haaaaaapppppyyy!" mentality on display. It's the same mentality that is imploding marriages. Nobody gives a rat's ass if her husband is happy at his job. He is expected to suck it up, bring home the bacon, and cheerfully "take care of his family". Countless multitudes of men have been doing it for generations. Articles like this one appear regularly in women's publications. But...


This entitlement to happiness has wormed it's way into the psyche of the population in general. As we become more solipsistic and narcissistic, focus shifts entirely to the self. We value community, personal sacrifice, helping others, taking responsibility, and self discipline, less and less. But the very things we've become adept at avoiding, are often the things that give us a sense of purpose, confidence, and self esteem. Women have been quicker to embrace the extreme self focus existence but it is becoming the norm, particularly with the younger, social media addicted crowd. I don't think it is a coincidence that we see a corresponding rise in depression, anxiety, suicide, and senseless acts of violence.


Sucking it up like a champ can actually be a pretty solid path to peace and contentment. "Happiness" is illusive, elusive, fleeting, and over rated.

[ironchop]

Here ya go.....might be a trend

"We don't need father's" (except for that weekly check)

The selfish reasons women give in the article have absolutely NOTHING to do with what's best for the child and everything to do with not having to answer to anyone especially a male. The author makes it clear that the child's father has no say whatsover in the child-rearing decisions repeatedly in this article.

I'm not surprised that any of these women are no longer married. It was like reading something a self-involved pregnant 16 yr-old would write.
This is the message they are sending each other. This is the message that divorce court reinforces. You are only a sperm donor and occasional babysitter every other weekend as well as the financial support mechanism. She truly believes men have no say outside of those things and from what I'm reading, a hint of resentment and bigotry are behind her "reasoning".

https://www.wealthysinglemommy.com/new-to-single-motherhood-the-beautiful-positives-according-to-your-sisters/

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[fabiodriven]

Tim thank you very much for sharing this stuff. I'm right with you, reading you lima charlie over here.

I did already share this in my Hawaii thread, but I made a clear pass at a woman on a plane last week. I sat there and pondered it, I'd only been reading this thread for a couple of days at that point, but it was only about two days before this incident I sat and watched all the video links shared. What immediately came to my mind was something mentioned at some point where it's noted that there are gray areas we have, areas we don't shine in therefor we avoid these areas. Because we avoid these areas, we don't shine in them, and around it goes. I thought to myself that it would certainly be outside of my comfort zone to blatantly suggest to this young lady maybe we have some fun on the plane. Once I realized that was outside of my comfort zone, I could come to no other conclusion than to go for it. I pondered for a bit and weighed out possible outcomes. Desired outcome was action on the plane. Undesired outcome, worst case would be deep offense and a moved seat, possible scene. I gathered intel. Firstly, she was very outgoing, forward, pretty, and engaging. The conversation took off instantly. Second, she was reading a novel titled "Getting Off". Third, she had two vodka nips. Those were the physical cues. Other just as important reasons to me were the facts that she missed two flights prior to catching this one, and she swapped seats with a different girl who was originally assigned to sit next to me. Once I digested all that, there was only one option.

I didn't want to turn the proposition into a public event, it was a full plane, so I typed out the question to her on my phone and then showed her the screen. She read it and chuckled and said she had messed around on a plane before. For a brief moment I thought I had a chance, but ultimately my offer was declined. Declined in good spirits though.

I think a lot about my frame as well. I must go back and review the material again, I'll get way more the second time. Tim and Chop, obviously it's clear how serious I am taking this and I cannot express my gratitude enough. I hope there are others here taking this seriously as well, as this stuff is truly of the utmost importance. I appreciate the humor as well, we have a lot of laughs on here, but I feel this could have a great effect and I understand and agree, it's not funny. Although my small triumph I've posted isn't much to write home about, it's something. It was a lot more than the last five internet trollup dates I've been on, and most of those unfortunately included intercourse.

So this would be my first post of actual real world results. It's a safe bet I'd have never expressed interest in this young lady had I not learned what I did a few days before crossing paths with her. I can say for certain, if I'd have made a pass at her before, it wouldn't have been as bold. I wouldn't have suggested what I did and I think my suggestion was the best option in that situation. Thank you guys again and I look forward to each and every post.

[atctim]

Fabio - my dear friend! I can not say how happy I am that this is helping you! What you did on that plane is exactly what this is all about. You seem to be taking to this like a champ. Honestly, it took me forever, even after being presented with all of the info to put it all together. Cheers buddy! What you did on that plane is text book "Outcome Independence" or OI. Outcome independence is what has basically saved my relationship I currently have. OI is the best thing you can do in nearly every situation in life. OI is basically IDGAF. Don't let the outcome for others have any effect on the outcome for you.

This piece of gold right here is also something to think about. It is so very true, and simply stated. This is what will help you understand why somethings in intrasexual relationships are the way they are.

Women are the gatekeepers to sex, while men are the gatekeepers to relationships. Ponder that, let it sink in - and apply it to your life with your significant other (if applicable). It is true, yet NO ONE looks at it that way. Also, never ever let sex be used as a weapon. Women are known for withholding sex when they are mad, and that is the worst thing they can do, and they don't even realize it. So your woman gets mad, and holds out on sex. But without sex, you will lose interest in the relationship! Most women are too near sighted to realize this. Keep it in your mind. Sex, by man or woman should never be a weapon.

[atctim]

Oh - I don't think we have touched on shite tests yet. This short youtube video says it all! More to come on shite tests, as I will share the next time I get shite tested. Ironchop - I am sure you get shite tested once in a while too. Share with us next time you do. I think the "real time" stuff will help guys realize just how real this red pill stuff is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8aT6uE3QFs

[ironchop]

....

Women are the gatekeepers to sex, while men are the gatekeepers to relationships. Ponder that, let it sink in - and apply it to your life with your significant other (if applicable). It is true, yet NO ONE looks at it that way. Also, never ever let sex be used as a weapon. Women are known for withholding sex when they are mad, and that is the worst thing they can do, and they don't even realize it. So your woman gets mad, and holds out on sex. But without sex, you will lose interest in the relationship! Most women are too near sighted to realize this. Keep it in your mind. Sex, by man or woman should never be a weapon.

THIS was one of the biggest problems in my relationships.

I got sick of this a long time ago. I also got tired of trying to negotiate or talk my way into sex with women. So the very next time a woman decided it was time to have sex, I said NO. She flipped out. Am I cheating? Do I not find her attractive? And then the indignation....how dare I refuse sex from a beautiful woman. I did this twice in a row just so she knew I wasn't just having a bad day the first time. I still do it occasionally. No thank you. You seem to be under the impression that I'll do anything you want to get the vag. Nope.

Even my male friends act like I'm gay or crazy for turning down sex.....which is probably why they are still beholden to princess's mood swings and whims. I'm not.

Now this makes that hamster brain practically explode with activity. They start calling their girlfriend's and their family members. They start reading Cosmo and Redbook. They're taking surveys "Is your mate cheating?" "Ten signs your man is over you".....of course, none of this gynocentric fake empowerment crap ever posits that the female could be the problem. No, your behavior is perfectly rational and men are stupid barbarians hell-bent on sex whether it's consensual or not.

They watch Oprah and other such nonsense trying to figure out why their man has no interest. It absolutely screws them up because sex is the one weapon in their arsenal that was foolproof and now it's no longer effective. If a man reacted to a woman refusing sex like several women I know, he'd be called an abuser or a cheater. Women don't get the same treatment.

When you watch a talk show hosted by self-important harpies, they tend to justify women cheating. You aren't allowed to "slut shame" a woman. She didn't cheat because she's a slut. She cheated because "you work too much" "you never show me attention"...all apparently valid reasons to break vows for a woman.

When a man cheats, the very same harpies blather on about "men are dogs" "they just want sex with as many women as possible" "they are POS". Why this double standard? Do men cheat as a way to get attention? Sure. According to some women, this is only excusable for women and not men.


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[ironchop]

....
Ironchop - I am sure you get shite tested once in a while too. Share with us next time you do. ]

Yup. Women will NEVER stop shyte testing men even after you've become "enlightened" and make it clear you're not participating in high school mating games.

You have to be forever vigilant.


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[fabiodriven]

This stuff is on my mind all day long now. Tim I began reading the book two days ago, so far so good. I already know who's getting it from me. My friend showed up here last week and he's just like I was; super depressed, downtrodden, ready to give up. He has no idea what to do next and just talking to him you know he's defeated. As soon as he walked in my house a light bulb went on over my head, I knew exactly what he needed. I explained to him about TRP and what he has the potential to be. He started reading this thread and he's fully invested at this point. So thank you from him as well.

I also suggested the idea to two other friends, one of which is in a relationship but doing literally everything wrong. I'm not crazy about his old lady either, but that's neither here nor there. He's a fantastic person however and deserves so much more from life. He's not much of a reader and I've yet to ever see him truly invest himself in anything, so I don't hold high hopes for him. For his sake as well as for the best interest of his new son, I hope he ends up finding himself interested.

Candidate #3 is on the fence, he could take it or leave it. I'm trying to sway him if I can, but it's ultimately up to the person who would be doing the learning whether or not they'd like to learn.

[atctim]

Fabio, good on you for spreading this info. I have spread it to a few close personal friends, and one in particular really took to it and understands all the concepts now. Coming from a very blue pill beta state, he turned red with the quickness as it all made perfect sense to him. I can safely assume he will spread the info too, and really I think that is what this is all about. In today's world, we get so caught up we can't see the forest through the trees! It's all very basic biological standards of which sadly we have been either intentionally pulled away from thanks to 3rd wave feminism, or we just go with the flow cause it's easier but then wonder how we got in such a bad relationship, or bad situation with the ladies and life in general.

Spread the word, and live life like the man you are!

[Arky-X]

I think now is the time for me to release my latest book;
"Equal Rights Begins with the Toilet Seat"

[atctim]

Here is more ammo. I find it a good read.
https://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2017/02/34-men-discuss-societys-insane-double-standards-that-favor-women-and-hurt-men/

[keister]

I heard something at work a few days ago that I think fits fairly well into this thread:

Make easy decisions, have a hard life. Make hard decisions, have an easy life.

I had never heard that before, but it makes perfect sense. Sometimes we are faced with a bad situation, and it is a real tough pill to swallow. But if make the tough choice now, and don't take the easy way out, it nearly always sets you up for success in the future.

I manage a pretty large company, but the same must apply to interpersonal relationships, health and diet choices, personal financial decisions, etc.

For what it's worth, I overheard this from a conversation between two females. Her exact words were "Easy choice, tough life. Tough choice, easy life."

[86T3]

I was on a plane this evening and had my wife's kindle, started to flip around and read parts of fight club that I liked. Forgive me if it was said in this thread already, but a lot of the story of fight club is a fight against what society want a men to act like. In the chapter I read Tyler said, "We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need." Pretty heavy stuff

[ironchop]

This is what's going on today at my house. Remember that they never stop shyte testing you.

Like Tim said before, MGTOW is what happens when you quit giving a damn about trying to form relationships with women and at my age, if the current situation doesn't pan out, I'm prepared and totally down with MGTOW.

Anyway, this article describes a very popular tactic to keep men under control without having to actually contribute anything of real value to the relationship.

https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/5-signs-youre-being-played-by-a-victim-fiff/

How many men here have encountered a "VP"?

comment below if this has been your situation at one time or another.

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[OTAlucard]

I am going to give a few statistics that I've discovered

1 in 4 women that I've met have Borderline personality disorder.

1 in 6 have herpes

I've been friends with alot of girls. It seems like it always usually ends up in them confessing their love for me.
I would reject them and they would never speak to me again. Even after knowing eachother for years.

What get's me is. Girls can't just be friends with guys they always have another agenda.

I could tell you all a thousand stories. But I've decided to stay single and I'll probably end up having a child through a surrogate. Or I'll adopt.

[ironchop]

I could tell you all a thousand stories.
Tell as many you like. That's the purpose of the thread. Someone else may relate to your experiences


. But I've decided to stay single and I'll probably end up having a child through a surrogate. Or I'll adopt.

This is a recent trend with alot of guys. Men Going Their Own Way. It takes courage to decide not to jump off a cliff with the rest of the flock. I respect that.




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[fabiodriven]

Today I got caught up with the most recent posts and links shared. I'm appreciative of the shared stories as well, as this thread needs to grow. I look forward being able to share more stories of my own, as I know there will be some upcoming. I have someone in my sights already, hopefully that becomes share-worthy. This material has to stay at the front of my mind for now. I was feeding my need for knowledge applying myself to something else before this started, but this undoubtedly takes precedence over what I was occupying my mind with. I can go back to that when I'm ready.

It's amazing to me how much I've learned in such a short amount of time, from this thread as well as from the book I'm reading. I have a whole different view of things, it's remarkable really. Just a couple of weeks ago I was as low as I could get, and although I've had times in my life that seemed a bit more joyous, I'm far from the place I was not that long ago. I wish I had more to add and I hope to upcoming, and thanks again for the posts.

[atctim]

Here is a little story for you. Friday night the woman came home and really was blowing something way out of proportion. Without getting into all the fine and boring details, something that was a lack of communication on both her and my part was the issue. No big deal really, but she insisted that we make a huge ordeal out of it. I refused and stayed calm. As she got progressively more mad, I realized something. The day prior she was complaining of "cramping". We all know about that. So I made mention she was maybe over-reacting because of that. WOW - she went off the handle. So I come to realize this from the entire situation:

It's OK for the Rationalization Hamster to blame her bad behavior on a menstrual cycle. It is not OK for me to blame her bad behavior on a menstrual cycle. Yet another double standard in the mind of the lizard brain!

I held strong frame and eventually she saw that I would not cave to an argument based on emotion, and I certainly would not even entertain the thought of getting heated over it. Amused mastery at it's finest.

[OTAlucard]

Has anybody here ever listened to the song Good times bad times By Led Zeppelin ? Gotta listen to the lyrics

I Am going to probably write out a long Post About a Bunch of random scenarios that I've experienced and witnessed.
I Feel that love makes people do some stupid stuff Because Me looking in from the outside I just shake my head o.O

I knew this girl who I Thought was my friend I met her when I Was 9 or 10 and Stayed in contact for 13 years or so I Couldn't ever understand why she kept wanting me to save her in a sense.
She was always in a relationship with somebody and kept wanting me to date her while she was in a relationship <for years> through 3 guys So I Gave her a choice finally after many years of this I Said if you truly love me you'll be single and not talk to me or anybody for one month and find yourself She couldn't do it.

We Spoke on the phone Christmas 2016 and it was pretty much her yelling at me for two Hours !!!! about how horrible of a person I Am
At the end of her yelling I Asked her what was wrong She told me that she loved me and wanted to move in together And that she had been seeing a Therapist
Is this a relationship that anybody would want to find themselves in ?
So her and the third boyfriend are supposedly happy together on their first child

^^^^^^^ This is somebody who has Borderline Personality Disorder This is somebody who isn't stable This is somebody You would never want to date ^^^^^^

That being said She's the only girl who ever made me cry Ever.
I Really thought that she was my friend She wasn't she just used me and got the tingles when she saw me.
She didn't truly love me and if she did she would've taken my deal and stayed single for a month .
She did tell me that she couldn't ever be single she would have a breakdown if she didn't have a boyfriend Its silly Why are girls like this ?



I've met so many females Here's how it usually goes
You meet girl Talk to girl Hang out with girl
Then what's that a knock at the door ? She says that her and her parents had a fight Can I stay with you ? Next thing you know shes moved in and you have a couple of kids
Girls can't be direct they have to do everything underhanded and sly to make it seem romantic or something
You can't be direct with a girl you have to make her think it's just happening You can never tell the girl the truth She can't handle it

Girls love to beat guys down into making them do what they want It's a game that you can never win All you can do is play along or just not play at all

Another Girl asked me to buy her a stupid Jewelry candle I Said I Am not your boyfriend Go get your boyfriend to buy it for you.
And another Girl with a boyfriend Asked me to buy a piece of cheap lingerie for her it only cost 20 dollars I Said you're so broke you don't have $20 ?
Needless to say these people got pissed Plus they wouldn't leave their boyfriends for me So why in the world would you be a beta orbiter !
Then after all this I Decided that I Couldn't be just friends with women There's no such thing If you're attractive she will get the tingles But she won't ever leave her boyfriend for you.

Plus if she did would you really want her ? couldn't somebody else just take her away and do the same thing to you that she did to her ex boyfriend ?

Then I started talking to girls on POF / Tinder And it was a horrible experience for me To be honest they never wanted to go out on a date They always wanted me to come to their house. I kinda wish girls would want me for more than just my body :/

Let me tell you something All the good girls are taken And most likely with abusers that corrupted them It's just how it is

I Am not biased I'll Talk about how horrible guys can be also But this thread isn't about that

[atctim]

OTAlucard: I see you used the term "beat orbiter" - you know all about this stuff. That is a term directly from red pill teachings! Preach it brother! You just described how most women really are, but many are afraid to say!

https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/59c1c5b6fff8b45a590c6679c8f76072/5B18B82C/t51.2885-15/e35/12547601_1672657599669539_1218689230_n.jpg?ig_cach e_key=MTE1OTEwOTA0Mzk1MDY4MTA4Ng%3D%3D.2

[OTAlucard]

OTAlucard: I see you used the term "beat orbiter" - you know all about this stuff. That is a term directly from red pill teachings! Preach it brother! You just described how most women really are, but many are afraid to say!


So True Most women start off nice but then something happens :/

I Did want to say two things .

#1 You guys should look up the youtube user named "Sandman" On Youtube But don't take his videos as gospel take everything he says with a grain of salt sort of speak !!!! It might help some people understand a little better.


#2 I always thought that the perfect relationship would be the Perfect "Team" and by that I mean.

Setting goals and completing said goals Together.
Understanding that talking in a calm nice voice to each other and not arguing loudly And In the end understanding each other If you have a disagreement.
But I've noticed that some girls decide to stir the pot for no reason And just start arguments when there's nothing wrong
She could've had a dream that you were sleeping with some other woman and then she'll think that's reality

I Have many stories of this and even of my Own family doing this behavior .

It makes no sense Why stir the pot Well most women have to have something going on they have to have everything in a uproar or they're not happy and they get bored
that means if they decide to talk to their ex when you tell them that hes crazy and You should be happy that he's leaving everybody alone.

And then you TALK TO HIM ABOUT GETTING BACK TOGETHER AND HE CUTS YOUR TIRES AND YOU HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you're reading this You know who you are

Women are social creatures they ask their friends for advice and if the group doesn't agree she will dump you on your ass like day old bread.

See my problem is I can't go along with this retarded behavior.


I Lied #3
somebody else was talking about this how two women showed him the way He know's what's up !!!

The best advice I Can give anybody is to actually just be friends with girls They're Just people too Like me and you.
And have them help you with situations They opened my eyes to so many simple things. That I Never would've thought of.

/me raises his glass !
Here's to you my network of friends who are female.

[keister]

It makes no sense Why stir the pot Well most women have to have something going on they have to have everything in a uproar or they're not happy and they get bored


From my experience, people that verbally express their hatred for drama actually love drama. Love might be the wrong word, but these type of people certainly introduce chaos into their own lives - whether that be intentionally or subliminally.

[atctim]

From my experience, people that verbally express their hatred for drama actually love drama.

In my line of work, we see it everyday. The customer who talks non stop about how much they know - actually know the least and look foolish to anyone who actually knows the industry.

Another Red Pill Proverb and take-away that I have been practicing and it is priceless: "Never ever waste and opportunity to Shut The "F" Up!" I like just listening now and when you just listen, you can see right thru people with ease! You can see if someone is genuine or not. You can see what the wiminz are plotting!

[ironchop]

Have any of you seen those sexist Sexual Harassment PSAs that are currently playing on free TV?

The ones that insinuate that only men commit workplace sexual harassment? Funny as I know four women who had lost jobs due to commiting sexual harassment in the last 15yrs and yet Men are always the target of these PSAs.

Here's an article.....

http://www.adweek.com/creativity/star-studded-ads-distill-workplace-sexual-harassment-into-30-seconds/


Now I was watching a rerun of Rules of Engagement when a female co-worker makes inappropriate advances at the character Jeff AT WORK and yet this is called "flirting" when the gender roles are reversed

https://youtu.be/yQmpySZq4dQ
More Victim playing and double standards. This is yet another example of our culture attempting to paint men with the broad brush of "potential attackers/harassers" while ignoring similar behavior in females

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[El Camexican]

I’ve been reading this thread and have watched a number of the video links. I guess I have to admit that I still don’t fully understand it, but I thought I’d try something different earlier today when the opportunity came up by chance.

So today the old lady tosses a verbal bomb my way as I’m trying to finalize a deal and it hits me right on the sarcasm nerve (we work together and ‘supposedly’ she’s my employee, but that’s a topic for a whole other thread) So instead of just ignoring her, or politely asking what was troubling her like I normally would I decided to try calmly and maturely asking her WTF her problem was.

Seems she had a grocery list of complaints compiled, so rather than try and solve each of them, I just looked her in the eye and said ‘Whatever’ and went back to doing what I was doing. In hindsight I realize that wasn’t the right answer. I heard her car pullout a few minutes after she stormed out of the office. Then came a text saying something about buying $200 worth of bathroom accessories. She didn’t make me lunch and I’m pretty sure that if I do make love tonight it will be to my hand.

So what did I miss? If fear that if I get any more masculine I may end up like John Bobbitt.

[Jesus]

How far the rams have strayed from the paths and green pastures once thought to be paradise on Earth.

Bestowed upon each of you was a scepter of throbbing flesh and a sack of seed with which to spread your kind. No further did you need look than the end of this blessed rod to know your purpose on this Earth, yet still you strayed from your birthright as men. God gave you woman with which to make your own. Taken from your very rib she was nothing more than a splinter of your bone yet you forgot the pain of this sacrifice created to sooth your loneliness and soon at her begging you gave her free will as though she was your equal.

Rather than wait and let come to you the two legged ewe begging for your companionship you let greed and lust fill your hearts and loins and began to bow down to the poisonous power of the mackerel scented abyss for which your rod longed. Allowing your women to labor for the riches of other men, abandon your homes and children, drive your modern ox carts and vote to put others much like her into positions of power with which to further imprison your manhood. Could you not see this would end in sorrow?

Now with each generation comes forth another tainted crop of fertile young females taught of your own actions to think and act as men. Look upon thy mess and see with your own eyes that your daughters have shed their robes and veils in exchange for the clothing and trades of men and yet you do nothing.

The end of man is near lest ye not heed my warning and man up. The power of the scepter is yours and without it the woman can know no pleasure. Use it wisely and give not into the demands of this beast you have created, for it is she that must be tamed and put back to her place and man which must triumph if order is to be restored in thy Kingdome.

The struggle to resume your places as Kings on the Earth over which you have been blessed to walk upon until my return will not be easy. You will hear of war and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for these things must take place, fear not as the end of man is not yet here.

Care not of the red nor blue pill for none but the purple pill matters saith the Lord

[3 Wheel Drive]

https://youtu.be/WfeVI29oHp4

[fabiodriven]

I’ve been reading this thread and have watched a number of the video links. I guess I have to admit that I still don’t fully understand it, but I thought I’d try something different earlier today when the opportunity came up by chance.

So today the old lady tosses a verbal bomb my way as I’m trying to finalize a deal and it hits me right on the sarcasm nerve (we work together and ‘supposedly’ she’s my employee, but that’s a topic for a whole other thread) So instead of just ignoring her, or politely asking what was troubling her like I normally would I decided to try calmly and maturely asking her WTF her problem was.

Seems she had a grocery list of complaints compiled, so rather than try and solve each of them, I just looked her in the eye and said ‘Whatever’ and went back to doing what I was doing. In hindsight I realize that wasn’t the right answer. I heard her car pullout a few minutes after she stormed out of the office. Then came a text saying something about buying $200 worth of bathroom accessories. She didn’t make me lunch and I’m pretty sure that if I do make love tonight it will be to my hand.

So what did I miss? If fear that if I get any more masculine I may end up like John Bobbitt.

Lol. I didn't see anywhere in the material where it was suggested you say the wrong thing then walk away.

[Arky-X]

She didn’t make me lunch and I’m pretty sure that if I do make love tonight it will be to my hand.



http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php/185613-For-all-of-you-single-lonely-guys-out-there

[atctim]

I’ve been reading this thread and have watched a number of the video links. I guess I have to admit that I still don’t fully understand it, but I thought I’d try something different earlier today when the opportunity came up by chance.

So today the old lady tosses a verbal bomb my way as I’m trying to finalize a deal and it hits me right on the sarcasm nerve (we work together and ‘supposedly’ she’s my employee, but that’s a topic for a whole other thread) So instead of just ignoring her, or politely asking what was troubling her like I normally would I decided to try calmly and maturely asking her WTF her problem was.

Seems she had a grocery list of complaints compiled, so rather than try and solve each of them, I just looked her in the eye and said ‘Whatever’ and went back to doing what I was doing. In hindsight I realize that wasn’t the right answer. I heard her car pullout a few minutes after she stormed out of the office. Then came a text saying something about buying $200 worth of bathroom accessories. She didn’t make me lunch and I’m pretty sure that if I do make love tonight it will be to my hand.

So what did I miss? If fear that if I get any more masculine I may end up like John Bobbitt.

It seems to me that your answer was perfect. You held frame and did not get upset, nor did you raise your voice. I'll bet her hamster went into hyper mode - thus the storming out and texting about something else all together. You see Nico, she expects certain things from you. She expects when she says jump, you say "how high". She expects that she is the leader in your relationship. From what you have said here - that much is obvious. She's in charge, and if you try to buck the system she has in place, childish acts will follow. Her childish act of storming out when she didn't get her way only amplifies her thinking she is leading in your relationship. Being masculine is about leading in relationships (among other things). At this point it sounds that you need to pull rank on her as she believes she is the leader. That is not how relationships are designed to work - as a matter of fact just the opposite. However, when you have been pushed down to "below her rank" - there will be much childish acts on her part as you try to regain the leadership role in the relationship. I guess the question you need to answer to yourself is why did you relinquish your leadership to your wife?

[atctim]

Nico, I am just telling you how I see it from your post. I don't know the ins and outs of your relationship - as that is between you and your wife. I find these two quotes from another "Red Pill" thread on another site very insightful to what you wrote, again - just from my opinion of what I saw you post:

"We just sort of fell into those roles" as in it's a natural separation of duties based on gender and societal
dynamics. It has been that way since the first people until now, with only a small handful of exceptions throughout
history. It's almost like we were made for our roles in life. Typically, males hunt/gather, provide an abode, battle
and lead while females prepare the food, keep the abode, and raise children. Call it societal, biological,
theological, or misogynistic if you want, but these are the natural roles of males and females throughout history.
Either gender can fulfill the roles of the other, but as a coupled pair, the roles don't often work best reversed
and they certainly don't work well if one person fulfills both responsibilities. Norskie's insight is absolutely
correct and it could be the root cause of why that feller's wife is berating him with nagging.




AND




Back when I met my wife I was doing everything right, eventually we got married, then I made the mistake of listening
to to that CUCK Dr Phil and Oprah and a few other fools talk about what women want and need in a relationship, boy
was that a mistake, the relationship turned to shite in no time and the word divorce was mentioned a couple of times
with little effect. So about 15 years ago I looked myself in the mirror and asked "what the "f" happened to you?
what would the old you think of the current you?"
That's when I brazenly picked up my wifes purse, took back my balls, slathered them in JB Weld, mounted them with
grade 8 hardware and used red Loctite just for good measure.
The change has been dramatic, we now have a great relationship, not two hours ago she came in and gave me a hug and
said "thanks for being a good guy honey, I'm a lucky girl, someday you may wake up and come to your senses and leave
me, but until then I'm happy we're together"
22 years together next month.
It works if you work it, and it won't if you don't.

[Tri-Z 250]

Before you get married the road is like vacant land before the foothills of a majestic mountain. On the backside of that range is a plateau, with mountain ranges to follow. You see it as a clear choice to avoid adding turns when unnecessary. You also realize by avoiding land obsticals the road needs to be laid out according to the mountains ahead and beyond. You also realize that the first set of ranges won't be the last. You understand cost to pradmadic choices made will ingress the level of plateau reachable on the far side of the range. Thus increasing your ability to push up the valley and next set of mountains.

Woman don't see life like this and truly have been told and believe in the Crystalball dream. They want the Top of the mountain and you gonna carry them to it...even if the have to drag you in their direction. The road they want has tons of over run and impractical approaches to the steep incline.

Example: just married your crappy 1 room apartment at low rent and free heat is no longer suitable. She wants a house your life savings is just enough to get a loan for one, but your broke. Your furniture is all hand me down and savy garage sale items nothing matches but it all works. Not for her see needs a level to show her family/friends and ego that I deserve New. New car, because leasing new is cheaper than buying used, look it has a TV in it for the kids the used one doesn't. After she gets Fat from the first child and blames it on pregnancy the scale only increases when the second one comes. She'll try every diet and never loose a pound, she can't stick to the program because life is stressful. Now she doesn't feel sexy and it's your fault for getting me pregnant. No sex for you and it was her ideal family brainwash to have the second child. You got roped in to her thinking you do want a son don't you?

Everyone has to figure this out with a partner, just hope yours is of the same mind set. Which you find me 20 hot college aged chicks that can cook a scratch meal from a garden and hunt keep a house clean and balance a check book, without their parents depsiots, I'll send you a set of MX goggles.

[ironchop]

I got laid on Sunday twice and once on Monday. Pretty good for a 46 yr old me and a 48 yr old her. Yes, I am bragging.

My mom was in town last night so that put a damper on the festivities.

I have never been married in my life. Engaged a couple times but marriage always left a bad taste in my mouth after living through what my adopted mom put my adopted dad and us kids through with the full support of divorce court. I call Deonna my wife because we've been together for almost 19 yrs and fully committed to each other so it's basically the same thing but without the need for a judge to break us up in a legal sense. Deonna was married twice before me and she really wasn't too bent on getting hitched a third time.

Some may see my posts and think I have a low opinion of women. I don't. I respect women when they deserve respect. I treat them with equal opportunity for my respect as I would any man. I do not place them on a pedestal. I do not give them the benefit of the doubt as I don't give to men either. I do open the door for my wife because I'm still a southern gentleman and i will do some other things that she can't physically do. I'm a big guy and she's pretty small so there are vast differences in our physical capabilities. I do not do things for her "because women shouldn't have to do that". I do them because we are a TEAM and what she can't do, I will step in and what I can't do, she will step in. TEAMWORK.

We do not share a bank account. We take our incomes and divide the bills based on income levels. I make alot more than her but we each contribute an equal percentage of our income toward our joint bills. She may take what's left of hers and do as she likes. It's none of my business how she spends her money. She gives me the exact same respect. I have NEVER been told that I wasn't "allowed" to buy what I want. When a guy says "I have to check with my wife before I buy this" or "I hope my wife doesn't find out", a part of me dies out of pity for him. I keep nothing from her regarding aquisitions She buys all the gardening stuff she wants with no need for my input and I am given the same in return. Since I love and respect Deonna, I do buy her things from time to time because I have access to much larger sums of money than her so I don't care to give occasionally to my teammate. She does the same when she can. For example, one year she bought me my 79 F150 4X4 as a reciprocal act, among other things over the years.

She isn't economically dependant on me, though her standard of living might be lower without me, so she doesn't tend to feel trapped. When we decide to do things separate from one another, we don't ask each other permission. We ask each other if there would be any conflicts of schedule. I roll to TF for a week by myself without being concerned that she'll be upset and she will go off for a week with friends and family without worrying about me being upset or jealous just the same. Sometimes we vacation together as well. Alot of our friends can't understand why this works for us but it does. We do make decisions together quite a bit but it's easy because we are almost always on the same page. I chose her because she's intelligent and morally sound of character and that's why I love and respect her. Sex was just a bonus feature.

Having said that, I give her a reason to respect me.....ME....not my male "authority"...she respects ME. Sometimes she will shyte test me and I have to remind her where we stand as a team on the shyte testing. That pig don't fly. I can't be worthy of her respect if I'm not being a man 24/7. If she can't depend on me when the SHTF and we flip to default mode regarding the gender roles, that's MY fault. Not hers. When I'm being the man I need to be and she feels like drama anyway, that's on her and no indication that I need to change my character. This is very important to remember. RedPill isn't about lording over your woman regardless of your own character flaws. It's all about the difference in gender roles in a working relationship. You can't ask for respect if your aren't worthy of it to begin with which is why it's important to teach young and old men to project strength and confidence from the very beginning and never stop. That's how you land a woman and that's the only way you will keep her in mind and body.

As far as landing a good one, that's another lesson altogether and I'm not versed enough to be able to pick a good one out of a lineup. My results with that were a result of trial and error. Some people are just worthless and no matter how good you are, a sociopath is still a sociopath. Move on from a sociopath.

Once you start showing chinks in your armor, women will categorize you and treat you accordingly whether she just met you yesterday or twenty years ago.

I had to learn how to interpret women before I became worth a F#$K as a man. These are the skills needed to learn to interpret. Most "good" men go wrong because they can't understand the stimuli, so they react incorrectly and add fuel to the fire rather than command respect and help her feel secure again.

I have noticed that when I occasionally get unsure of myself, she does the "supportive" thing and tries to nurture me as women tend to do. The reason she does this is because it scares her to see me apprehensive. The Pillar has a crack and if it fails, we all go down and she knows this. I make sure to patch the crack quick. She feels safe and sturdy knowing I got this and that she can go on doing her role because I'll take care of my end without fail and I do my thing knowing she has my back with the other stuff. It doesn't get more equal or less sexist than that. TEAM.

Every team needs a captain, though, and that's what a man is supposed to fulfill

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[Arky-X]

I call Deonna my wife because we've been together for almost 19 yrs and fully committed to each other so it's basically the same thing but without the need for a judge to break us up in a legal sense.

Congratulations!



I got laid on Sunday twice and once on Monday. Pretty good for a 46 yr old me and a 48 yr old her. Yes, I am bragging.


You asshole!




I got laid on Sunday twice and once on Monday. Pretty good for a 46 yr old me and a 48 yr old her. Yes, I am bragging.


Congratulations!

[knappyfeet]

Example: just married your crappy 1 room apartment at low rent and free heat is no longer suitable. She wants a house your life savings is just enough to get a loan for one, but your broke. Your furniture is all hand me down and savy garage sale items nothing matches but it all works. Not for her see needs a level to show her family/friends and ego that I deserve New. New car, because leasing new is cheaper than buying used, look it has a TV in it for the kids the used one doesn't.

All this is basically normal but........

Every man should be his wife's hero and take them to the top of that mountain and always try to provide to their abilities. All a woman ever ever ever ever ever wants is the love of her life's time....that's it. She wants to be with you. Go to the beach on a city bus or a BMW.......it's the time you spend together that's the most important....and the cheapest. A needy hooch who needs everything to be happy usually means she's a nutjob or trying to makeup for the lack of normal attention or quality attention she receives from her man......usually the ladder.

[83ATC185]

Go to the beach on a city bus or a BMW.......it's the time you spend together that's the most important....and the

After you spend over 72 hours together cramped in a ford tempo broke down 14 hours from home with hardly any money and nothing but the clothes you're wearing, I can guarantee you will be ready to kill each other. :lol:

I can also guarantee that you will laugh about it for years to come and both agree that it strengthened your relationship with each other.

One thing in my relationship that comes to mind, i remember threatening to leave her if she wouldn't quit watching lifetime movies. It sounds silly but those movies are terrible and they brainwash women into expecting the kinds of relationships where they run the show and throw a fit if they don't get their way. They also place women into unrealistic scenarios (usually, 99% of the time, against a man doing her wrong) that would never even happen in real life and present it as everyday life. How anyone can watch that garbage ill never know.

She quit watching them. We're still together 9 years later. It's gotta be a give and take. Otherwise its just boring and one person gets stuck with all the responsibilities

[El Camexican]

I guess the question you need to answer to yourself is why did you relinquish your leadership to your wife?

Aha! Now there’s a good question.

I’ll start with a side by side comparison that may answer the question.

Language Proficiency
Her: 100% Spanish, 99% English, along with survival basics of a half dozen others
Me: 100% English 50% Spanish, no others

Education
Her: Dentist + one year of med school and a Masters in Education
Me: Grade 12 by the skin of my teeth

Social Upbringing
Her: Grew up in what could be called the really, really good side of town
Me: Rural bumpkin

Age
Her: 57
Me: 51

% of Net household income
Her 20%
Me 80%

Internet IQ test
Her: 144 (taken in English!)
Me: 144

So the thing is I’m somewhat dependent on her for my survival down here. She handles all my important translations and legal sh*t and there’s been plenty over the years. If we lived in Canada it would be the other way around, but we don’t.

Now after yesterday’s blowup I did get an apology and it came faster than most do, so there’s something, but I’m not going to try and accelerate this process. I have always picked the hens over the chicks as I absolutely can’t stand to spend more than a couple hours around women that I find mentally inferior, or desperately dependent on me, so that in itself could be considered a self-inflicted problem. The bimbo types always bored me after all the positions had been run through a few times. You can only pound the fuzz for so long before you have to rollover and engage each other in conversation.

So basically I’m married to an older, better educated, equally intelligent female. Looking at this from a third party perspective I’d say that it would be difficult to win a battle without throwing a punch.

Stand by for updates.

[Scootertrash]

Pound the fuzz? http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

Also remember gentlemen, that there is a difference between a Knight in Shining Armor/Hero and a White Knight. One will get you laid the other will get you friend zoned. ;)

[ironchop]

Pound the fuzz? http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smiley_faces/roflmao-smiley-face.gif (http://emoticoner.com)

Also remember gentlemen, that there is a difference between a Knight in Shining Armor/Hero and a White Knight. One will get you laid the other will get you friend zoned. ;)Amen to that.

I prefer to ignore females who make a habit of being intentionally froo-froo and helpless. Barbies need not apply. I like tough and intelligent women. The kind that usually intimidate other men or don't suit those guys who want a totally dependent dumb shelf decoration with kitchen skills.

White knights will subconsciously seek out damsels in distress as a dating preference. I think it has alot to do with them thinking if they find a helpless victim and "save them", then she will be more loyal to him in the long run. I don't like to babysit.

I'll stop to lift a woman up for a second. After that, sink or swim. My obligation ends the minute she's upright, so to speak

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[El Camexican]

My obligation ends the minute she's upright, so to speak

I like women who feel an obligation when I'm upright, so to speak :naughty:

[OTAlucard]

White knights will subconsciously seek out damsels in distress as a dating preference. I think it has alot to do with them thinking if they find a helpless victim and "save them", then she will be more loyal to him in the long run. I don't like to babysit.


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When I Was dating my ex girlfriend she was having some "problem" with her computer I Said I Know you know what's wrong You're more intelligent than that And .
you shouldn't act stupid So she fixed it herself Right away

[ditchmud]

BRAVO MEN! Been off this site for some time and just revisited recently. I got to snooping around and stumbled into this thread. Which is exactly what I needed. Luckily I have had enough downtime at work to read this entire thread in the last 24 hours. Tim if you are finished with your book and no one has asked for it I would love to read it.
Little background on myself: I am 46 been married almost 27 years now and have 3 young adult children. My marriage has been rocky at times and great other times. My wife loves to turn down sex for whatever reason and when she does give in lately I’m left feeling like I’d been better off if she turned me down again. I’ve contiplated leaving, cheating, suicide, etc. When our relationship is good...well it’s really good and we can’t get enough but eventually it reverts back to where I am despising her existence. I’m gonna follow this thread and begin to practice TRP because a lot of what I’ve read so far has hit home. Unknowingly I’ve already been adopting some things lately before reading any of this because I have noticed some patterns on my own but couldn’t quite grasp as much as I have learned here. I need to watch the video links yet I’m sure to tie it all together but I am fairly entrigued thus far. Keep up the good work fellas!

[atctim]

Rich: I have already passed the book on. I am sorry. It can be had for cheap though - and it will teach you so much. Reading it truly is enlightening! Here is a link to purchase: https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Male-Rollo-Tomassi-ebook/dp/B00FK901R8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520515981&sr=8-1&keywords=rollo+tomassi

I am positive this thread will help men revert back to what we are supposed to be doing - BEING MEN! I can not preach this point enough: Point - Women really do not know what they want! A woman wants to control a relationship. yet when a man relinquishes that right to the woman, things usually fall apart because women are not designed nor wired to lead a relationship. It's not really what they want because thing will not work as they have seen on TV or the movies. Again - this is biology - not some pseudo science from the purple haired Femi-Nazi teaching a Woman's Right's class at the local university. This is why so many of us find ourselves not being happy, and neither are our women. We are born to lead. As 83ATC185 has mentioned above: regarding Lifetime Movies - this is what is known as the "Disney Fairy tale". What is meant by that is the media (Disney sets the example) portrays unrealistic scenarios and women eat it up. Some men do too! Men are taught that if you do everything for your woman - then life will be perfect. They preach put the princess on a pedestal. This tears down relationships and creates a number of problems: White Knighting for men, entitlement for women - all the things wrong with society today. It seems almost designed to create an unrealistic world to live in and ruin everything natural that relationships are supposed to be. It's almost as though the puppet masters have created this nightmare via media, and the Feminists have bought it hook line and sinker. We need to fight back!

Stolen from another site:

Here's a fun exercise.


First, read this from yesterday's Dear Abby:


"DEAR ABBY: My fiance and I have been engaged for two years. Our wedding is set for a year from now. I'm thinking about calling off our wedding, not because I don't love him, or because I don't want to spend the rest of my life with him. I know I want that. It's because I'm the only one with a decent job. He has a job, but doesn't earn enough to support us.


I can't be the only one earning an income. How are we supposed to move out of our parents' houses and start a life together if I'm the one doing everything? What will happen when things need to start getting paid for, and there's no guarantee he'll find something? I have talked to him about it, and he's angry. He knows it's time to change his life around and get serious.


Should I keep the date and keep my fingers crossed he'll find a job by then, or postpone our wedding, which has a venue but nothing else planned? I don't need to get married anytime soon, and I'd prefer to wait until he can support himself and we are in a better place financially. Then I feel like we could move forward. Am I making the right decision? -- CAUTIOUS IN NEW JERSEY


DEAR CAUTIOUS: Yes, you are. You are thinking with your head instead of being swept away by your emotions, and I applaud you for it. I have said for many years that before a woman marries she should be able to support herself, in case future circumstances require it. Well, the same is true for a man."


Now flip those male and female pronouns.


Burden of performance, gentlemen... burden of performance!

[ironchop]

More on the Disney fairy tale Tim mentioned. This particular article makes it sound as if a "real man" sits around waiting for his woman's beckon call so that he will "make her feel secure about herself"

http://www.sheknows.com/love-and-sex/articles/813424/10-things-every-woman-should-demand-from-a-man

These are not women, they are children. These are things that your children require while being raised. I'm not going to raise a wife and the first sign a woman gives that she "requires" these ten things to "feel whole and secure" I'm going to have to check her ID to make sure I'm not statutory raping a 13yr old trapped in a 35 yr old woman's body. I would dump this girl like a hot rock. ANY woman or Man who needs another person or bases their own security on the actions of another person is neither whole nor secure at all and the fact that she believes that crap means that you need to get her into therapy and fast. A REAL woman doesn't need a man to build her up. She has the strength and fortitude to build herself up.

Modern entertainment media and fantasy likes to reinforce the ridiculous notion of the guy making huge grand gestures, begging for a hand in marriage, blowing a third of yearly income on an overpriced finger trinket "to prove how much he adores you". Holding the radio over your head while you throw pebbles at her window so you can apologize for not bowing to her every whim and fancy and making her first because she's helpless, weak, and pretty (read: she has a vagina that you might get to penetrate if you give her your balls in a velvet sack).

My wife and I were debating about her favorite TV fantasy drama last night. Grey's Anatomy. I hate that f@#$ng show. I think women should be appalled that in this female-centric drama, the female surgeons are frequently having sex in the broom closet, having passionate diatribes about relationships during serious and complicated surgeries, showing their insecurities while having loud emotional outbursts, all while on the clock at the hospital. If I walked into a hospital and saw this level of immature and unprofessional behavior, I would immediately leave regardless if I were bleeding to death. The women staff at my local hospital DO NOT behave like this at all thank God. I would not want emotionally unstable, neurotic or bipolar quacks like this coming anywhere near me with a sharp object.

Deonna eats this show up. I think it's insulting to females and a bad example for everyone.

Now on the same night there are two other shows that follow on the same network. 'How To Get Away With Murder' which is female-centric about a law professor and practicing attorney who convinced her students to kill and do any multitude of unscrupulous things while she battles addiction and emotional immaturity. The show that comes on the same network right after this is 'Scandal' where the female main character is a conniving, murdering, power hungry woman who sleeps with anyone who can help her maintain that power while she manipulates an entire nation in order to suit not only her lust for power but her emotional and personal relationships and insecurities as well. If the point is to raise women up and empower them, they missed the mark. Do men do these things? Yes, but if your point is to empower women over men you're going to need to stop portraying them as emotionally weak, irrational, highly reactionary, and petty.

All three of these are Shonda Rhime's shows...the woman who is hailed as a leader of women's empowerment.

The message I think Rhimes is trying to send women is that you can be mentally fragile and emotionally unstable but it's really "compassion" and you should be respected, revered, and paid the same as a man regardless of your unprofessional behavior. You don't need to work on yourself at all. You deserve to be equal regardless of your behavior BECAUSE you have ovaries and BECAUSE Men are bad and unfair.

BTW.....I have never bought De'onna a Valentine's day gift. It's a contrived holiday using women to manipulate men into buying meaningless products. If you need a specific day of the year to prove your love and adoration on que, then you're a fool and your relationship is a facade

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[Arky-X]

Now flip those male and female pronouns.




I was reading that Dear Abby bull wondering where in the world it was going.......then BOOOM!!!!!


I said it in my earlier post "Equal Rights Begins with the Toilet Seat." I've said this tongue in cheek sitting around having drinks and you would be surprised the reaction or argument of how the toilet seat should be left down.....it's a fact....scientific.....because a woman said so.....so she doesn't fall in.
You can't ask for things to be equal then try to pick and choose what goes along with it. You want equality, then you get all the bull trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro that goes with it.
Car broke down....better get out the wrench sister or have the pocketbook to get it fixed.
Yardwork.......pull start that mower and get to pushing or have the pocketbook to pay a lawn service.
A/C stopped working......study up on some HVAC and get to tearing into it or have the pocketbook to pay the man.
My phone is acting up......freaking Google it or have the pocketbook to buy a new one.
Don't have the pocketbook to fix anything.......better find someone willing to trade work for sex.

Toilet seat is up.....then put the god damn thing down!


My sisters grew up in a house of mainly boys so they didn't complain about that one. They were glad we put it up so we didn't pee all over the seat.


Cheers my brothers!

[atctim]

DitchMud: this comes extreemly highly advised by all the Red Pill gurus - might be a great read for you - maybe even better than the first one I mentioned:
https://www.amazon.com/Married-Man-Life-Primer-2011/dp/1460981731/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1520523086&sr=8-3&keywords=married+man+sex+life

[atctim]

Ironchop - you are another inspiring man to me - thank you! You seem to be so well versed in something I have only discovered in the past 3 years. I see other men here are picking it up too, and it makes me proud and happy to see that we can get our testicles back if we desire a better life for ourselves and our families. For the single guys out there - single women will pick up on these cues from you - simply being the best man you can be! That in turn becomes confidence, and that is what women desire - a confident competent level headed man! I think there is a breaking point for everything. To many men, they may never reach that point. Some may be fine with being a blue pill husband bowing down to every whim of their childish wife. Others are blessed with natural Red Pill mannerisms. For the rest of us, we have this thread! Share, learn, read - DO!

Something I read at the beginning of my Red Pill journey was the simple phrase: "Be Awesome". Everyday you should do at least one thing to improve yourself. Finish an unfinished job around the house, learn a new skill, tear apart something broken and fix it, LIFT WEIGHTS!, improve. Rather than sitting on your ass watching worthless media on the idiot box, get up and out and improve yourself. If you continue on this path, the old lady will take note. I dare say sometimes they will even follow suit. Just yesterday I thanked my old lady for she had really cleaned up our bedroom - spic and span. This is out of character for her, but I thanked her for being "Awesome". Every time she steps her game up, I take notice and thank her. Lead by example men!

[ironchop]

I was reading that Dear Abby bull wondering where in the world it was going.......then BOOOM!!!!!


I said it in my earlier post "Equal Rights Begins with the Toilet Seat." I've said this tongue in cheek sitting around having drinks and you would be surprised the reaction or argument of how the toilet seat should be left down.....it's a fact....scientific.....because a woman said so.....so she doesn't fall in.
You can't ask for things to be equal then try to pick and choose what goes along with it. You want equality, then you get all the bull trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro that goes with it.
Car broke down....better get out the wrench sister or have the pocketbook to get it fixed.
Yardwork.......pull start that mower and get to pushing or have the pocketbook to pay a lawn service.
A/C stopped working......study up on some HVAC and get to tearing into it or have the pocketbook to pay the man.
My phone is acting up......freaking Google it or have the pocketbook to buy a new one.
Don't have the pocketbook to fix anything.......better find someone willing to trade work for sex.

Toilet seat is up.....then put the god damn thing down!


My sisters grew up in a house of mainly boys so they didn't complain about that one. They were glad we put it up so we didn't pee all over the seat.


Cheers my brothers!On the "pocketbook to pay for it"....I agree and I've seen women use the "we get paid far less than men so we CAN'T pay for this stuff" as a way to invalidate this .....victim playing. I know several women who make more than I do. My sister in law is one of them so that's no excuse.

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[ironchop]

Ironchop - you are another inspiring man to me - thank you! You seem to be so well versed in something I have only discovered in the past 3 years...

Tim, I am honored by this statement but I struggle every day to maintain my self and my convictions and direction. I'm really not much different or more "woke" than alot of guys. I got turned on to this by experience and a following conversation I had with a young man who introduced me to Jack Donovan and then Roosh. That's where I connected my own experiences with what I was reading elsewhere. I was so sick of females and bullshyte but I couldn't quite figure out why or how until lately.

I have had all the same feelings and been in the same roller coasters that you, John, and Rich described in their posts above.

Im reminded every day how complex all this stuff is and how intertwined these things are. It absolutely affects nearly ever interpersonal relationship we have with each other no matter what gender we are.

The difference is that women have support systems, good or bad, in place to help and they have opportunity for open dialogue with one another. Men don't have that and we are encouraged to keep our thoughts and feelings to ourselves. That's what helps enslave men. We don't network or discuss anything existential or emotional because of the false bravado and machismo we've been fed by entertainment and media just like the false female empowerment being fed to them.

Men and masculinity is at a crisis point now thanks to third wave feminists and their male White Knight apologists efforts to unseat the order. The weak are moving the goalposts to make themselves strong. This is false strength and that's why everything is starting to collapse and young men turn to gun violence and gangs as a coping mechanism.

Scooter, I'm a biker too (was...sold the bikes) I know you know what I'm talking about with men searching for meaning and masculinity. You noticed that 1% MC participation is way up recently, I'm sure. These are guys who are going to the polar opposite of what's accepted as "masculinity" these days because it's all fake and empty and makes men weak. They seek out true brotherhood and trust that isn't afraid to be violent or cruel to protect these things.


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[atctim]

This should be watched. this was on last night, as they are running a special segment all thru March. take a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfuOtGLfg04

[ironchop]

Dr. Jordan Peterson is one of my mentors. I've watched over a hundred hours or so on YouTube of Peterson on various topics.... very brilliant man

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[HondaRidr]

Starting to notice this stuff all over because of this threadhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180308/cf79e8492d4ebd717533b21d3a98bae4.jpg

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[ironchop]

Starting to notice this stuff all over because of this threadhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180308/cf79e8492d4ebd717533b21d3a98bae4.jpg

Sent from my SM-G930T using TapatalkExactly. That's why it's called Red Pill. Once you take the red pill and see everything for what it really is, you can't unsee it and it's permeated everything. Shocking and depressing all at once

The show Big Bang Theory is another perfect example of Beta Males triumph over Alphas and "scoring" very attractive women

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[Jd110]

This topic is very meaningful to a lot of us around my area, too. Seems lots of people are becoming aware-crazy how something can snow ball, quickly. Thank you Tim & Ironchop for stating this. The posts here are marvelous!!!

[ditchmud]

DitchMud: this comes extreemly highly advised by all the Red Pill gurus - might be a great read for you - maybe even better than the first one I mentioned:
https://www.amazon.com/Married-Man-Life-Primer-2011/dp/1460981731/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1520523086&sr=8-3&keywords=married+man+sex+life
Ordered that book Tim. Thanks for the suggestion.

[atctim]

Here is yet another one - flip the pronouns and what's the outcome? Lawsuits!!!! This shite is getting way out of hand!


https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19029510_10213286412819088_5940445836988828665_n.j pg?oh=1b9b05dc9b72f6525bdd8f403088b148&oe=5B036FB0

[ironchop]

Here is yet another one - flip the pronouns and what's the outcome? Lawsuits!!!! This shite is getting way out of hand!


https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19029510_10213286412819088_5940445836988828665_n.j pg?oh=1b9b05dc9b72f6525bdd8f403088b148&oe=5B036FB0"Rape culture".......LMAO

what about "female assault culture"? Where it's ok for women to commit physical violence but not Men.

I doubt a fourteen year old girl broke the side out of a paper sack let alone a boys nose.

The thing about social media is that you can claim anything you want for attention. I'm betting this is another hoax to get attention just like all those "sexist" and "racist" comments customers supposedly made in the tip blank on restaurant receipts that have ALL been proven hoaxes just as the N word being painted on houses and Trump painted on churches turned out to be hoaxes perpetrated by black progressives.

Same with "trans children" whose parents are letting them pick gender as young as six. It's not about the child at all or you would keep your kid out of the news if you really cared and respected your child and their right to privacy.

It's called Virtue Signalling and it's prevalent everywhere a social media post can be shared and go viral. Everyone wants a guest spot on Good Morning America and they will do anything to get it including pimping their own children.

The first red flag for virtue signalling is when some social justice warrior claims that "you need educated". I've seen it here recently regarding the use of a certain trigger word....once that got thrown into the conversation, I knew that bait would snag a virtue signaller and it certainly did right away. All you need is a trigger word and along comes someone needing to signal their virtues and moral superiority as a way to build their own self-worth while claiming they are fighting for the "voiceless". Other signallers will usually appear and "pile on" to get a piece of the Superiority Trophy

White Knights often virtue signal in public places as a tactic to score women
https://youtu.be/_6swquqyJ2M
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[ironchop]

More advertised oppression from the Perpetual Victim Class or PVC for short

https://hellogiggles.com/lifestyle/things-you-need-to-know-about-free-bleeding/

Men invented feminine hygiene products as a way to keep women in the kitchen and breeding instead of in politics and business.

They are onto our Boys Club Scheme.

We may have to resort to toxic masculinity to combat these free bleeders and their freedoms

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[OTAlucard]

I've noticed that women have to tell you a New York Lie.

They have to lie to themselves to try to make it become the way they think it should be.

They'll lie to themselves and make some big story up for no reason. And it makes no sense to me.

Once she has an idea in her head she will argue with you till shes blue in the face. Even though everybody else knows she doesn't know what she's talking about.

[ironchop]

Resources....are you being a beta and don't realize it?

http://thepopularman.com/beta-male-traits-and-characteristics/

http://tobealpha.com/what-is-a-beta-male/

This one is really good and succinct.Tim may have already posted this but nevertheless.....

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3j7b3q/alpha_vs_beta_traits/

Now I saw someone mention much earlier that he was going to "cut back on the chronic".....in my personal experience as a former daily marijuana smoker, QUITTING COLD TURKEY was one of the BEST things I did while reshaping myself. Marijuana tends to bring out or magnify my beta behavior. It also adds to depression so if you're a daily user, depression will ABSOLUTELY get in the way of projecting Alpha. Lay off the weed. I went extreme and quit altogether but Im not sure that occasional use would be a problem. In my own personal case, it was a problem. I became extremely non-confrontational which is fine but it KILLED my tendency to be assertive and being assertive is absolutely necessary to becoming Alpha. Nobody takes a stoner seriously.

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[fabiodriven]

I have learned so much from this thread in such a short time that I was hesitant to believe it at first. I've learned a few things over the years which have served to improve my thoughts and actions I feel, things which have made me a better and more wise man. I began learning about the law of attraction a few years back, which was the first subject I delved so deeply into in quite a few years. I learned a lot during that time and those things that I learned have and continue to impact my life greatly all the time. It was almost like gaining a tool to put in my belt.

The second tool I gained was when I was learning a lot about quantum physics/mechanics/theory. That subject seems to go hand-in-hand with the law of attraction as far as I'm concerned. That subject could be studied all day and night ad nauseam and one might never run out of material to study. There is a lot to know, a lot. It's certainly very interesting stuff, but I noticed more than one person I've spoken to about it just cannot grasp the concept of the quantum universe. I seemed to take to it rather easily at one time. I'd like to think a bit of that may be ingrained in me, but I've not been studying the subject like I used to.

With TRP, I am amazed at how quickly things appear as thought they've changed for me. Obviously this thread has a bit to do with women and sexuality, however as stated it's about so much more than that. It's about everything, it's about every decision and interaction you make. There have been changes in my thinking that happened so quickly that I was hesitant to say anything, could just be a mood swing, lol. There have been enough incidents I've taken notice of to share. None of these are anything major, however there have been enough minor things I've noticed which seem to show a clear change in thought processes. Sound excessive? I thought so. That's why I waited to say anything.

The very first time you guys shared this and I began to read, I had a premonition of the future. One thing I learned when studying the law of attraction, you must be prepared to lose certain people from your life. That may sound like an undesirable result initially, however the people lost along the way are usually not the right people for you to be around in order for you to obtain your personal goals. We are all the company we keep. If you spend your time with losers, you will likely become a loser. If you spend your time with someone who is your idea of an aspiration, then it would be of no surprise if you started to become the man you'd like to be.

My premonition was that I might end up losing a friend over TRP, and I got that immediately after I started reading. Up until a couple weeks ago, I'd text with a particular friend all the time. We would text all day and night. The short story is, this guy is a loser. He's a big loser. He makes some really poor life decisions and doesn't appear to be learning a thing, it's very difficult for me to watch. He's doormat, everyone walks all over him. His boss, his family, and his old lady. As I began to learn this material, I immediately thought about that particular friend. I was a loser, but this kid is bad. As quickly as I'd thought about how beneficial this would be to him, I realized he would never invest himself into something like this. I knew then it was going to be a loss, mere minutes into beginning this thread. We have indeed had a falling out after a string of events where I watched him fail and helped him up, only to watch him fail again and make more poor decisions.

This begs the question (which should be obvious), was the falling out due to my projecting of that situation, or was it genuinely due to my newly acquired education in the study of TRP? The world may never know. I am of the belief that it is a genuine change of mindset for me and I am unable to tolerate even the second hand beta fumes emanating from this particular individual. I have sympathy for him to a degree, but we are all ultimately our own undoings or successes. One will never succeed where one fears to tread.

So there's that. Another consistent occurrence has been while I sleep. I traditionally do not remember my dreams, at least not often. The times I do remember them, the memory of them fades very quickly as the day progresses. That has changed since I got back from Hawaii, which you could say is due to my returning to my home environment and being comfortable in my own bed, or it could have to do with the TRP which I began to study at almost the same time. Could be both, I don't know. Either way, my dreams have been good dreams. If I'm recollecting correctly, I may even be aware I'm dreaming in these dreams and controlling them to a degree. It seems like there have been a lot of consistently good dreams that might also be ongoing, continuing on from night to night. I've been spending a lot of time with women in these dreams and I think they might be picking up one night where the previous night left off. I've never had that previously in my life. Might seem like an odd detail, but this is what I have been experiencing.

I have not all that much interaction with the outside world. I see my neighbors a lot and there are certain friends who stop by a lot, but I don't go out drinking, don't go out to eat, and I don't have any hobbies that take me anywhere. I order most of the things I need from ebay, groceries aside obviously. Because it's such an infrequency for me to go anywhere, I take care with my appearance if I do decide to go somewhere. That means a button up shirt, watch, and shoes to grocery shop. That's one of the few times I see any women. That's something I've been doing for some time now, however the outfit never did me any good with a standoffish mindset and lack of eye contact. My attitude has changed however, and the few recent results have been improvements over the past for sure.

Two days ago I went out to breakfast with the great Mik6 (yeah that's right). Our waitress was no knockout, but she was cute. She was perfect practice. I engaged her deeply every time we spoke and looked deep into her eyes with a smile on my face, and it was working. I could see it, I didn't have to ask her. I was enjoying myself very much, haha. Simple minds... I tripped up at the very end when we were telling each other our names, and I dropped eye contact briefly, but however brief it was it was a flaw. Good practice though. I used to avoid eye contact at times.

Yesterday I went to a friend's house to use their printer as mine had failed. She's an attractive friend, so is her sister. They were the only two adults there, the sister had her baby with her. I wore something nice even though it was just a casual visit, I gathered it would be just the two of them there, but I wear work clothes and PJ's so much now I look forward to putting something respectable on. Well I could tell they were hot and bothered by me, they didn't have to tell me, but they did anyways, lol. After I left my friend texted me and said both her and her sister were all revved up, lol. I knew it anyways but it was nice to hear, especially unprompted.

Something else I have realized- For years now I have wondered what the hell is wrong with me in this regard, speaking of interactions with women and just being beta in general, but there has always been what seems like a missing piece, something I just couldn't put a finger on. I thought, there is no way so many other people could be so messed up, it has to be me, not them. My standards must be too high, I must be too ugly, I'm too hard to get along with, I'm not worth it, I'm too weak, I'm flawed, I don't blame anyone who doesn't want or like me... When all this time I naturally have been rejecting things I should be rejecting. It's not been me all along, it really has been everyone else (for the most part). I have stuck to my own expectations and morals of what a woman should be, what a relationship should be, and how I should be treated, and after all this time I can finally say that I understand why I have spent as much time as I have frustrated. It's not my fault either. I've unfortunately bore the brunt of the effects of this movement against us as men, but I feel as though I have an ace up my sleeve now that I didn't previously. The few test trials have netted me results which make me eager to practice more, which is a complete 180 when compared to how I felt in Hawaii just a couple short weeks ago.

I need to continue with the book, I've been slow with it. I'm a terrible reader, but I will finish this book. I need to pass it on to the next proud man. My buddy Johnny is reading this thread, as well as my friend Brian. Johnny's going to get the book after I'm done with it, I hope he's still with us at this point!

I'm glad to be able to update like this, it's a humble beginning but I have a good feeling about things to come. Thank you all once again!

[ironchop]

I have learned very much from this thread in such a short time that I was hesitant to believe it at first. I've learned a few things over the years which have served to improve my thoughts and actions I feel, things which have made me a better and more wise man. I began learning about the law of attraction a few years back, which was the first subject I delved so deeply into in quite a few years. I learned a lot during that time and those things that I learned have and continue to impact my life greatly all the time. It was almost like gaining a tool to put in my belt.

The second tool I gained was when I was learning a lot about quantum physics/mechanics/theory. That subject seems to go hand-in-hand with the law of attraction as far as I"m concerned. That subject could be studied all day and night ad nauseam and one might never run out of material to study. There is a lot to know, a lot. It's certainly very interesting stuff, but I noticed more than one person I've spoken to about it just cannot grasp the concept of the quantum universe. I seemed to take to it rather easily at one time. I'd like to think a bit of that may be ingrained in me, but I've not been studying the subject like I used to.

With TRP, I am amazed at how quickly things appear as thought they've changed for me. Obviously this thread has a bit to do with women and sexuality, however as stated it's about so much more than that. It's about everything, it's about every decision and interaction you make. There have been changes in my thinking that happened so quickly that I was hesitant to say anything, could just be a mood swing, lol. There have been enough incidents I've taken notice of to share. None of these are anything major, however there have been enough minor things I've noticed which seem to show a clear change in thought processes. Sound excessive? I thought so. That's why I waited to say anything.

The very first time you guys shared this and I began to read, I had a premonition of the future. One thing I learned when studying the law of attraction, you must be prepared to lose certain people from your life. That may sound like an undesirable result initially, however the people lost along the way are usually not the right people for you to be around in order for you to obtain your personal goals. We are all the company we keep. If you spend your time with losers, you will likely become a loser. If you spend your time with someone who is your idea of an aspiration, then it would be of no surprise if you started to become the man you'd like to be.

My premonition was that I might end up losing a friend over TRP, and I got that immediately after I started reading. Up until a couple weeks ago, I'd text with a particular friend all the time. We would text all day and night. The short story is, this guy is a loser. He's a big loser. He makes some really poor life decisions and doesn't appear to be learning a thing, it's very difficult for me to watch. He's doormat, everyone walks all over him. His boss, his family, and his old lady. As I began to learn this material, I immediately thought about that particular friend. I was a loser, but this kid is bad. As quickly as I'd thought about how beneficial this would be to him, I realized he would never invest himself into something like this. I knew then it was going to be a loss, mere minutes into beginning this thread. We have indeed had a falling out after a string of events where I watched him fail and helped him up, only to watch him fail again and make more poor decisions.

This begs the question (which should be obvious), was the falling out due to my projecting of that situation, or was it genuinely due to my newly acquired education in the study of TRP? The world may never know. I am of the belief that it is a genuine change of mindset for me and I am unable to tolerate even the second hand beta fumes emanating from this particular individual. I have sympathy for him to a degree, but we are all ultimately our own undoings or successes. One will never succeed where one fears to tread.

So there's that. Another consistent occurrence has been while I sleep. I traditionally do not remember my dreams, at least not often. The times I do remember them, the memory of them fades very quickly as the day progresses. That has changed since I got back from Hawaii, which you could say is due to my returning to my home environment and being comfortable in my own bed, or it could have to do with the TRP which I began to study at almost the same time. Could be both, I don't know. Either way, my dreams have been good dreams. If I'm recollecting correctly, I may even be aware I'm dreaming in these dreams and controlling them to a degree. It seems like there have been a lot of consistently good dreams that might also be ongoing, continuing on from night to night. I've been spending a lot of time with women in these dreams and I think they might be ongoing dreams, picking up one night where the previous left off. I've never had that previously in my life. Might seem like an odd detail, but this is what I have been experiencing.

I have not all that much interaction with the outside world. I see my neighbors a lot and there are certain friends who stop by a lot, but I don't go out drinking, don't go out to eat, and I don't have any hobbies that take me anywhere. I order most of the things I need from ebay, groceries aside obviously. Because it's such an infrequency for me to go anywhere, I take care with my appearance if I do decide to go somewhere. That means a button up shirt, watch, and shoes to grocery shop. That's one of the few times I see any women. That's something I've been doing for some time now, however the outfit never did me any good with a standoffish mindset and lack of eye contact. My attitude has changed however, and the few recent results have been improvements over the past for sure.

Two days ago I went out to breakfast with the great Mik6 (yeah that's right). Our waitress was no knockout, but she was cute. She was perfect practice. I engaged her deeply every time we spoke and looked deep into her eyes with a smile on my face, and it was working. I could see it, I didn't have to ask her. I was enjoying myself very much, haha. Simple minds... I tripped up at the very end when we were telling each other our names, and I dropped eye contact briefly, but however brief it was it was a flaw. Good practice though. I used to avoid eye contact at times.

Yesterday I went to a friend's house to use their printer as mine had failed. She's an attractive friend, so is her sister. They were the only two adults there, the sister had her baby with her. I wore something nice even though it was just a casual visit, I gathered it would be just the two of them there, but I wear work clothes and PJ's so much now I look forward to putting something respectable on. Well I could tell they were hot and bothered by me, they didn't have to tell me, but they did anyways, lol. After I left my friend texted me and said both her and her sister were all revved up, lol. I knew it anyways but it was nice to hear, especially unprompted.

Something else I have realized- For years now I have wondered what the hell is wrong with me in this regard, speaking of interactions with women and just being beta in general, but there has always been what seems like a missing piece, something I just couldn't put a finger on. I thought, there is no way so many other people could be so messed up, it has to be me, not them. My standards must be too high, I must be too ugly, I'm too hard to get along with, I'm not worth it, I'm too weak, I'm flawed, I don't blame anyone who doesn't want or like me... When all this time I naturally have been rejecting things I should be rejecting. It's not been me all along, it really has been everyone else (for the most part). I have stuck to my own expectations and morals of what a woman should be, what a relationship should be, and how I should be treated, and after all this time I can finally say that I understand why I have spent as much time as I have frustrated. It's not my fault either. I've unfortunately bore the brunt of the effects of this movement against us as men, but I feel as though I have an act up my sleeve now that I didn't previously. The few test trials have netted me results which make me eager to practice more, which is a complete 180 when compared to how I felt in Hawaii.

I need to continue with the book, I've been slow with it. I'm a terrible reader, but I will finish this book. I need to pass it on to the next proud man. My buddy Johnny is reading this thread, as well as my friend Brian. Johnny's going to get the book after I'm done with it, I hope he's still with us at this point!

I'm glad to be able to update like this, it's a humble beginning but I have a good feeling about things to come. Thank you all once again!Dude that's awesome!

A few of my own thoughts:

1) I have great dreams lately too. Always positive or just adventurous. Hopefully my brother's wife doesn't come on to me like she did in my dream the other night or there might be trouble lol

2) when I'm being beta (still a work in progress) I have a TREMENDOUS amount of resentment to others and the world in general and that makes me a cynical jerk. The wrong kind of assertive. I was just being contrary as if I thought that was being alpha. The resentment is actually one of the biggest issues with interpersonal relationships and interaction with strangers and it's a strong beta characteristic

3) Yes on the friend thing. It wasn't so much that I dropped them but more like they abandoned me because I was no longer at their current "level" and therefore was some sort of threat....."you think you're better than me" ..."dude you used to be cool. What happened?"....."he found Jesus and doesn't want to hang with the heathens" I've heard all of these recently. It's really freaking out my family too. They think I've gone nuts or that I'm a Narcissist in Progress.

Have you ever been a co-worker with a bunch of guys and then get promoted to be their boss? They either start resenting you as you aren't "one of us but now one of them" or they try to run over you because they think you'll beta and give in. They get mad when you pull rank and they resent you. It's because the power shift threatens some people.

I'm currently out-lasting a shyte test at home with wife and one daughter both trying multiprong flank attack. I'm standing my ground and not apologizing.

4) you were one of my first 3ww friends on and off this forum and at Trikefest. We've had a few phone and text convos over the years and your advice helped me when I was considering anxiety meds and when they wanted to change my Klonopin to Buspar. I take none of these now because my anxiety was from smoking weed, feeling MASSIVE resentment, and full of rage. Now I'm not saying that everyone can dump anxiety meds, but for me, I found the problem within me and my own habits. That was triggering anxiety. Doctors never even mentioned anything other than meds.

I love weed. Always have. But I MIGHT have a joint or two in a year if ever at all ever again. It's been a few months now and I feel fantastic.

Anyway John you have my number and you know you can always hit me up. We're just two dudes trying to change our lives and it helps me as much as you to talk with other guys about "The Struggle"....positive reinforcement and whatnot.

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[ironchop]

Ok Reddit is sometimes an a*hole unless you got the app.

This is my reminder list copy and pasted here. It's on my phone so I can access the thread easily when I'm losing frame and need a reminder.....

Alpha vs Beta Traits

u/lovethebottomsSep 1, 2015, 3:15 AM

I came across this post that had helped me 1 year ago when I started picking up on seduction. I used this to improve myself , I know that it'll help others too , especially the new ones.

Summary: A list of comprehensive traits regarding on beta vs alpha behaviour. Find out what tendencies you have.

Beta male: Makes excuses. Every time there's something he can't do, he has an excuse, and feels like he needs to explain it to those around him.

Alpha male: Never puts the blame on someone else. He always faces his obstacles head on regardless of the odds of success. He never complains about problems, but aggressively works to find solutions to them. If there is something he doesn't want to do - as opposed to can't do - he offers no explanation. Roller coasters? Nah, thats' not me. Let's do something cool instead.

Tip: Be on the lookout for the phrase: “I can’t do this because…” You don't make excuses. Not only to other people, but especially yourself. When there is blame to go around - blame yourself for your failures. Why? Because you are acknowledging that you have the power - if you are the reason something is not being done, then you have the power to fix it. The mindset that evolves is that you control not only your shortcomings, but your successes.

Beta male: Needs affirmation from others. Is obssessed with how others think of him.

Alpha male: Doesn't give a sh*t what others think. This makes him very attractive. Simply be confident about how others perceive you. You will act accordingly. Anyone who looks down on you is most likely jealous, and also not worth your time. You do not have time for people who are counter-productive to your self-improvement.

Beta male: Talks fast, always seems to be nervous or in a rush.

Alpha male: Talks slowly, and in deeper tones. His movements are smooth. Translation: You are in control of your life.

Tip: Before you walk in anywhere - catch yourself. Slow down - catch your breath and then make it look like you are walking through water. As stated earlier, begin to create an image of smoothness and you will naturally start to become smoother.

Beta male: Lives life by the day not really knowing what he wants. Will waste time on the couch, rather than doing something productive. He is lazy and passive.

Alpha male: Lives life passionately. He has goals - and is focused on his goals and dreams and tears down any barriers in-between.

Tip: You must find a goal you want to achieve, or create one. Even if it's simply to get better with women. Have something that when those "lay on the couch" moments present themselves, you can say, "I will do something to work toward my goal of ________ instead."

Beta male: Gives up when he fails. Sees no point in trying and is fearful of facing failure again.

Alpha male: Failing at anything is only a mistake if you do not learn from it. Repeating failed behavior is insane - learning from failed behavior and trying something new is alpha. Failure is only a minor setback to you. You can look forward to failure because first of all, you are moving forward by trying something new - and second, the sooner you can learn from his mistakes and succeed. Tip: If what you are doing (like, with women for example) isn't working, you must be open to try something new. This always feeds your adventurous side - something women love.

Beta male: Uses the word, "sorry" a lot - even when it doesn't belong in the conversation. He apologizes to others because he feels he might have offended them somehow.

Alpha male: Will not apologize for his desires and beliefs. alphas do apologize, but only when they truly believe theyshould - not to try and make others feel better.

Beta male: Believe it or not - he has a big ego. But it backfires on him because he is too sensitive and insecure regarding everyone's opinion of him. So he constantly is trying to prove himself by qualifying - or stating his qualifications.

Alpha male: Never feels like he must prove himself. His ego is his ally. Here is the truth: Big egos are a result of low-esteem, lack of control over emotion, and too many female feelings. A man who is truly confident in himself never needs to lash out at someone who insulted his ego.

Beta male: Always searching for approval and attention.

Alpha male: Does not seek attention - and therefore always gets it. But know that you can always be the most powerful presence in any room or situation. Why? People need to be led. That's why leaders are few, followers are many. Tip - Don't feel the need to entertain a room full of women with displays of this and that. Betas are often clamoring for attention yet can never get enough - and alphas never want attention yet get too much. In a room with a bunch of beta males and a bunch of girls you will notice how the girls respond to the alpha. He's cool and laid back - the girls all turn their heads to him. The beta needs to constantly entertain them.

Beta male: Will never admit to his faults and mistakes.

Alpha male: Is not afraid to face his faults and overcome his failures. Admission is the first step to solving a personal setback or problem.

Beta male: Gets jealous really easily when he sees his girl talking or flirting with another guy.

Alpha male: Is supremely confident in his ability and status. If his girlfriend is talking to other guys, he goes to talk with other girls. He laughs at the thought of his girlfriend choosing another guy over him.

Tip: If "she" is talking to another guy, or obviously trying to get your dander up - simply tell her and the guy, "You guys would make an great couple!" And then go talk to some women.

Beta male: Easily blows his stack. He loses his temper when someone else criticizes him or when a girl disrespects him. (aka lose frame)

Alpha male: Is a complete picture of cool. He never loses his composure. If something upsets him, he shows his disapproval of it without getting mad or whining.

Tip: If she tries to get you into a fight, simply leave. Don't react emotionally. It's on her, and she has no control over you or your mood.

Beta male: If he loses his girl, he loses all hope in life and thinks that he cannot live without "the one" - her.

Alpha male: In the unlikely event that a woman leaves an alpha, he simply loves that there are thousands of other girls just as good or better than the girl who dumped him. His life is not centered around one girl, and he has no problem moving on. Tip: If you have options (other women) she is not only less-likely to break your heart, but less likely to leave.

Beta male: Did he take a shower? Did he get dressed in the dark? It's like he is always messy, dirty, or poorly groomed.

Alpha male: Is always dressed to kill, and groomed well. He has superior etiquette. Think: James Bond.

Tip: When you know you took the time to look better, you are happier and thus exude more confidence.

Beta male: Is afraid to meet new people.

Alpha male: Is ready to meet new people.

Beta male: Poor body language - slouches. He stands and sits uncomfortably, as if he is nervous.

Alpha male: Takes up space whenever he sits down or rests. Is in control of his surroundings. Nothing surprises or startles him. There is a ton of information on body language in the Alpha Life series of audio training from Modern Male Lifestyle.

Beta male: Looks to quickly get into a relationship, as if he is desperate for a girlfriend.

Alpha male: Is not only not desperate for women, he is never desperate for anything. When you are not desperate for women's attention or affection, it's implied that you have plenty of it - which puts you at ease, and excites women.

Beta male: Is a pushover with women. He is willing to commit to a woman as soon as they give him the greenlight.

Alpha male: Is a challenge with women. He does not throw himself at them. Ever.

Beta male: Becomes wide-eyed when he sees someone do something

Alpha male: Is never impressed. He may give credit where it’s due, but he doesn't go ape because someone did something impressive. Act like you've been around in the world before.

Beta male: Women are his number one priority.

Alpha male: Believe it or not - an Alpha Male's number one priority is never women, or a woman.



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[ditchmud]

I’m most of the way through the book that Tim suggested for me (The Married Man Sex Life Primer 2011) and I have learned a lot. This book suggest that it is best if you can balance your alpha and your beta trates.
I am typically beta style. Easy going and I kiss her ass way too much. It makes her feel emotionally secure but my lack of alpha dominance behavior leaves her unattracted. It’s more like we are roommates or friends which leaves me feeling resentment towards her. Here I am spoiling her and giving her everything her heart desires and I feel walked on and cut off from what I need. So I already had been distancing myself from her and cutting her off so to say emotionally. I’ve been going about my activities in the garage and elsewhere to better myself. Well, she definitely took notice. So she gave me a couple of shyt tests and I didn’t play her game. So now she knows something is up and begins paying me extra attention and showing me extra affection. Not getting into it any deeper but just as I performed a 180* turn in my behavior she did also shortly afterwards. When she acts the way I like her to I reward her with the beta treatment she likes but only short term because what she really seems to be effected by is alpha Rich. It so stupidly simple so far but I cannot argue with the results.
That’s how I see it so far.

[ditchmud]

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Don’t fall for any shyt tests fellas!

[atctim]

I love seeing the progress here. It is really amazing how something like this can be so simple and in front of your face, yet without some guidance one can not see how really wrong we have been doing things for years. I applaud all of you guys who are "practicing" and bettering themselves.

For years, I had asked myself, why do all the hot chicks go for the arseholes? Well - it's not so much that they are "arseholes" - they are just being Alpha, which is by nature what women want. You can be Alpha A.F. and not be a prick about it. There is a difference in being assertive and knowing what you want VS being a prick. I now know the difference. I like practicing on waitresses in restaurants now. They see hundreds of men per day. These women see betas and alphas all day long. They sure react different when you act alpha.

All I know is it has changed my life for the better and it sounds like it is for you guys too. It is just a shame that we are lead to believe something our entire lives, and when it all comes crashing down around us (multiple times for me) we ask why. Now, when we know why, and can be the men we are designed to be, things don't come crashing down around you. It's amazing to say the least.

[ironchop]

..... You can be Alpha A.F. and not be a prick about it. There is a difference in being assertive and knowing what you want VS being a prick. I now know the difference. ....

I agree and I think this is hard for some guys to understand. You've seen it on TRP forums and blog comment sections too, I'm sure. Guys who just act like dicks to women or they think that alpha is only about attitude and not about trying not to be a fat lazy slob with zero manners and tact. I might be wrong but I thought that PUAHater was these guys. I never read their stuff but I know that alot of guys get the wrong idea or are just lazy and when this stuff doesn't work out for them, they blame the message...which, ironically, is a totally Beta thing to do

Women also sometimes get the idea that we are trying to teach each other to be misogynists and dickheads and that isn't true either



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[6bt]

Funny seeing this topic here, As I'm a subscriber on Reddit. I think everything here is dead on. In my late teens, I did pretty well with the ladies. In my 20's not so much. I fell into the "beta" way of things and feel I lost some respect from them. Late 20's I figured I where I went wrong, and started to correct things. Nowadays, things are good. Engaged, but we both respect each other. I compromise sometimes, but not all the time. I feel bad for anyone trying to find love in their 30's though...lots of kids, baggage and issues. If you can't find one there's always mgtow right?

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[atctim]

Here is part 2 in the series "Men in America".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlnhxQly2Wg

Tonight, part 3 will air on Tucker Carlson. I'll be watching as this type of news is rarely if ever covered by the lame stream media - and it is very obvious why this is not news to the lame stream media: it goes against the agenda they are pushing.

[sledcrazyinCT]

Here is part 2 in the series "Men in America".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlnhxQly2Wg

Tonight, part 3 will air on Tucker Carlson. I'll be watching as this type of news is rarely if ever covered by the lame stream media - and it is very obvious why this is not news to the lame stream media: it goes against the agenda they are pushing.

I only caught yesterday's portion and it brings up how our society is on decline because the lack of biological fathers raising their children. Pretty shocking the stats of children's future where only a single parent is raising their family.

[fabiodriven]

I've been excelling in some areas and failing in others, but overall I do feel changed for the better thus far, even with little results yet yielded. I've been slacking on the book, it's laying next to me right now. I was reading it tonight for the first time in days when I realized how many times the author mentions the "So Suave" forum, and it dawned on me I should probably check that out, so I did. I started an account on that forum so I'll be poking around on there.

The material itself I'm grasping no problem, it's sinking right in. I'm doing great in the physical workout area, however it takes so much for my body to show improvements physically, it's always been that way, but I'm friggin 38 years old all of a sudden and a little belly has crept up on me real sneaky-like. It's proving hard to work with, but I work on it every day. I feel like a large part of the mental aspect I already have down, even with the lack of real-world practice I've experienced. I'm actually looking forward to speaking with members of the opposite sex I'd normally fall apart in front of, I already know I'm going to do really well. There is no doubt in my mind, and there is no loss if I don't do well, nothing to fear. Just a month or so ago I felt uncomfortable, I would avert my eyes when I saw attractive women because it hurt so bad, it was like a tease. A tease on the most primal urge we as human beings can feel. "I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes, I have to turn my head until my darkness goes." That whole deal. The Stones summed that up quite well. This has been my experience for years, something I've never been able to overcome, until now. Now I'm waiting to not only see them, but engage them (in conversation), and see where that leads. I still haven't been getting out much which is something else I should be working on.

Areas which need addressing in my case are cigarettes (absolutely have to go at some point), weed (must be curtailed), and porn (which I watch as much as the next five guys who post multiplied by ten). These three areas need severe work. Butts have long been a weakness for me, so silly. It's a true addiction which I must address before it addresses me, no easy way about that. The chronic I shouldn't have too many problems slowing down on. I've got enough to do around here to keep me busy and the chronic only impedes on those things, and I really need to be productive right now. I have a lot of bikes to fix and a house to spruce up.

Giving up porn is going to be difficult for me. To be blunt, most might categorize me as a porn addict. The truth is, I'm more of a sex addict. I don't especially enjoy being with myself, I enjoy sex, possibly more than most. Unfortunately for me, traditionally I've not been much of a ladies man, leaving me with droughts that can last months or years. This is how porn becomes my friend. I've ploughed out a few chicks over the last three or four years I've been single, but very few of those experiences have been with true sa-mokeshows that I felt I could have a sexual rapport with, and it is in that rapport where the true shenanigans lie, where two people can really explore one another and go to amazing heights sexually. The goal of ascertaining that again has proven so elusive to me that it becomes depressing, I feel overwhelmed and undergunned (mentally), and I give up before I even begin to try. These are some of the lowest points of my life.

I hesitate to post this because I'm still getting used to it not being a bad thing. I hung my hat on so many awful beta traits it's amazing, I was the definition of the word beta. Old habits die hard, and I'm still learning. This iteration of Fabio is something rarely ever seen. He's existed at times, I can recall the times of alpha Fabio easily because there have been so few of them. What I'm getting at is, there is a part of me looking for confrontation. There have been many times in my life I've acted alpha and stood my ground. It's easy to do when you're carrying a machine gun, so there was that. There have been many times I've acted alpha in confrontations in everyday life as well from the time I was a child, and notice I'm saying acted. That's because I was only acting. If the situation had escalated I might not have been as alpha as I was acting. The difference now is, I'm feeling strong physically (and I'm just getting warm) as well as mentally.

If you had told me the following were my thoughts a little over a month ago I'd have said no, I would never, ever say that, but I feel like I'm thirsting for confrontation. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not out driving around looking for quad riders to pick fights with (watch your back Swatland :shiftyeyes: ). I'm talking about someone who wants to challenge me on some level. Let's say a woman who's initially acting put-off by my advances. Very rarely, if ever, have I ever pursued a woman who's turned me down initially. Typically it's "Oh you're not interested? OK! Have a nice night!" Then I'm off the hook with myself because "I tried". The idea of overcoming that excites me now. I want to see what's past that point. Can I say or do something to win her over? If so, what? Maybe I can figure something out, maybe not. It's not a loss either way, but rather valuable experience to be used after that. I really hesitate to say this, as I've never liked tough guys or guys who look for trouble, nor do I think I'm a tough guy or a fighter. I'm 145 frickin pounds. I've avoided so many confrontations in my life, so many. It's time to change that. I can't help but wonder where that attitude will get me, and the thought of "having more confrontations" seems like a recipe for trouble, but I have a knack for coming out on top in certain circumstances. Maybe I'll end up beat up or killed, or maybe I'll beat someone up a lot bigger than myself (which most guys are). Either way, glory never came to the guy who avoided the situation altogether.

So there's an update from this end. Again, I wish I had more results to share. People are trying to drag me out of the house all the time, very rarely do I go. I said I'm going to change that but I haven't really. Kicking pot is going to be key to that, and friggin everyone I know blazes the chronic here since it's legal. I spend more time with my neighbor than anyone else, and he blazes the chronic as well. Everyone does, like I said! It can be done though. Although I never felt great in Hawaii, I did notice my head was clear from not being blazed all the time. Also it goes without saying that pot heads are the most non-confrontational creatures on the planet, and I'm looking for confrontation in a way.

I know what I need to do (thanks to this thread) and I'm not saying I'm tossing the butts and weed tomorrow and I'm quitting the mass debate team, but I do know what I need to do. Excelling in some areas, others need improvement. Let us see what time brings. Thank you guys again.

[ironchop]

.... I'm actually looking forward to speaking with members of the opposite sex I'd normally fall apart in front of, I already know I'm going to do really well. There is no doubt in my mind, and there is no loss if I don't do well, nothing to fear. ....

Practice.

I flirt with all the ladies whether I want them or not. I'm more aloof with the hotter ones but flirty nonetheless. As long as they are over 18, of course.

I flirt with waitresses, the old ass ladies at the DMV, young cashiers at the store, the morbidly obese woman at the auto parts store. Girls with horrible acne. Women over the phone even. The woman in line in front if me at the grocery store or sitting next to me at my nephews graduation. You name it. I flirt with them all as if they are all tens. Sometimes you make a girl's day simply by acting interested and engaged so it's like a public service haha.

I even flirt with pissed off women. I seem to be adept at these type. I'm also good at getting them pissed off as well but that's another story. Alot of times, they change their attitude if they know I'm not bothered or turned off by theirs. I keep my frame most of the time unless I'm in a bad mood that day and in that case I don't bother but otherwise, flirt with them.

I'm not gross or harrassing or tactless or too forward, just charming and flirty(hopefully). Doesn't matter if they take you to task and want you, you can always back away if you're really disgusted by her.

It teaches me how to disarm women verbally and also when I do encounter a really attractive woman, it's just second nature by that point and I'm much more relaxed and confident. Flirt with every damn one of them. Start ugly and work your way up.

I get free food, drinks, and women will go out of their way, like the old gal at the DMV did after I flirted with her on the phone before I got there. She recognized my voice and kept complimenting me and sped me thru my license renewal. She was almost 70 but who cares? We both felt better so what does it hurt?

Like I said, it irritates my wife to some extent but she gets off on seeing other women interested in me. Boosts her ego too. This much she has admitted to me.

I don't cheat though. I don't get phone numbers and when offered, I politely mention my wife (sometimes that doesn't deter a woman though). The point is to develop charm and confidence and it's worked for me. When I was high, it was a train wreck so go at them sober.

Also....I will talk to absolutely anyone. Total stranger or not. It really messes with people but it projects confidence. Women respond faster and more likely than men as long as you don't seem threatening in any way.

A few months ago a woman replied to me "I have a boyfriend" after just striking up a conversation. So I held frame and replied (while smiling) "I'm not interested in asking you out. I'm just making conversation. The world would be a better place if we were a bit friendlier to one another." She responded by talking to me for another ten minutes before I cut it off tactfully and bid her good day politely


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[Scootertrash]

Self confidence is the most potent aphrodisiac in the world.

Although one must be careful not to become so self confident that you appear arrogant. :beer

[atctim]

Frame is what I am concentrating on recently. When you maintain frame, everything changes. As Red Pill works in every aspect of your life, one big problem with me is raising my voice to the old ladies' kids. I have been finding it much much more productive not to lose it with them. It will also teach these young boys (9, 11, 12) to do the same. Kids learn more from observing than anything else. This transfers to the old lady seeing the change in me and has been extremely good to me in various ways (wink wink). With her boys not having their father around since they were too young to remember, I have to keep in mind that I am the father figure now - one they so desperately need as to not fall into the fatherless boy syndrome of being total betas and average frustrated chumps raised by women only. Without a man present in a boys life, this is certain doom for cuckhood and a life of misery not knowing how to be a man. A woman can not teach a boy how to be a man. A man is needed for this - and not a beta man either. I've seen it time and time again - young men raised by women only, acting like a female rather than a male. I think this has a lot to do with all of the "feelings over facts" in todays society. It's the female mindset that the young men know no different.

I have also been stepping up my game with flirting right in front of the old lady. The reactions I get from her are mixed. It seems if the girl I am flirting with is hotter than her, she wants to "mate guard" however if the girl is less desirable, I don't get much of a reaction from her at all. Regardless - the practice is fun and it really helps me with confidence in the real world. It goes to show there is so much going on in regards to sexuality in a relationship that I had never thought about; or even knew about. I am sure these things are standard equipment for womenz, but to me it was hidden in plain sight until I found the Red Pill. Man, if I could have a do-over and go back to when I was 18, my life sure would look different. Life is not about do-overs though, it's about learning and moving on with new knowledge attained. Life is getting so much better for me on so many levels. Understanding the problem seems to be the biggest hurdle to overcome. the rest kind of falls into place. I just simply can not believe it took me 40 years to figure it out. It all goes back to what we were taught and what was presented to us growing up. Teach the young boys, teach them to be men. If we do not teach the next generation what being a man actually is, our society can not survive for more than a couple more generations.

[ironchop]

Man Tim....that post hits home.

Here's my situation. Wife married twice before. One kid with both ex husbands. One ex husband was an alcoholic but he did try to be a part of his daughters life. The second ex was a meth head. Lost their home, business and everything they worked for to cook meth. He abused the kids and my wife. He went on instead of having to fight me alot but now he has very little contact with his son for quite a few years and his son isn't losing sleep.

Some of you probably met my son "pork chop" as Crazy70man Andy dubbed him our first year at TF. Well I've always tried to teach him what I used to call "the man code" since he was about four. Since he was technically my stepson, my wife tended to interfere when I tried to instill discipline and she undermined all my efforts because she wanted to be his friend because she carried a tremendous amount of guilt because of his father.

I got frustrated more and more over the years and got heavier handed, louder mouthed, and generally was being a house tyrant instead of a male role model. Our nephew with no present father either lived there too and he was the same mess. I don't hit my kids. Never did, however for example, one time he got to disrespecting his mom and yelling, slams his door and locks us out. I flipped out, broke the door down, tore it from the hinges and said "lock that shyte, punk. No more door"....WRONG thing to do. He doesn't respect me, he fears me. Fear is not respect.

So now pork chop has worked about three weeks at two separate jobs since last September. He's deeply depressed. His girlfriend f@#$ed his cousin a few times and dumped him again for another guy recently. He's addicted to her like a drug. Smokes pot 24/7. No job. Bums money and cigarettes off mom. Quit trade school three years ago and has no plans, hopes, or dreams outside of hanging with all the other dope smoking single parent losers so this reinforces his lack of effort.

So wife and I were talking in the parking lot of Tractor Supply just last night when this very thing dawned on me. I've got to stop being so angry with him and constantly expressing my disappointment. I warned her 15 yrs ago that he would end up 29 and still living in our basement. I don't want to be right about that. Four years ago, he got accepted into UofL fast-track Engineering program. Scored a 31 on his ACT. Probably the smartest child we have but the girls are pretty close in intelligence. I want to scream watching him throw his life away. He quit Football over a girl. He quit Uof L over a different girl. He's quit everything else like his band who was semifamous in the area and most of his friends (the successful ones) over this current girl.

I'm worried about him. I need to know how to get thru to him and Frame was my problem all along.

Another thing about single moms is the special considerations and issues when the new mate has to raise kids you didn't create yourself. Whole new pile of issues
and it's affecting millions of men.

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[atctim]

Ironchop: you are speaking my language. I've been with Nina for 6 years now. I was still very beta and knew nothing of Red Pill teachings when I met her. 2 years later, I offered for her and her family to move in to my rather large house with me. Have I regretted it? Yes. Would of I done the same knowing what I know now? No. But here I am and I am driven by knowing deep down these kids need a father. If for nothing more than some stability in their lives. My real drive is to raise kids that will be honest, hard working non-losers. Will I succeed? Who knows. I do know you can only do so much. I struggled with her giving in to her kids every whim all the time. I saw her being a friend, not a mother. I was stepped on, felt used, and very disrespected. This is how I found the red pill! As I learned red pill I fought with her as a power struggle. I can imagine it was a shock when I slowly went from beta to alpha. Once she started seeing the change, it was not easy for her to let go of the reigns. As of about a year ago when I had a good understanding of red pill - it was all pretty much laid out on the line. She learned that lines had been crossed, and she learned that I was not budging from my convictions. I went from red pill aware to hardcore red pill in about a 6 month period. Things could not be better since this happened. She needed a leader, not a provider. I think her eyes have become opened to it as much as mine did.

Now with these kids, it is a daily struggle for me, as they are ungrateful, entitled, and that is all they have known for their entire lives. Her guilt from birthing 4 kids to two different losers has made her cave to them all the time. This no longer happens. The oldest is an extremely obese 16 year old girl. She is a pretty good kid and good hearted, but the big rock in the front yard is more energetic than her. I fear for her health, but at this point in her life, it is on her. We can't change her. The oldest boy is 12. He lived with his loser father for about 2 years prior to moving in with me. He is obsessed with video games. It is to the point where it has become very unhealthy for him. When I say unhealthy, I don;t mean physically, I mean mentally. As his disrespect for us grew, so did his "addiction". I have told her to take the game away for years now. As I said, Nina is finally seeing the light in having a leader and she is in the first mate role. As of a few days ago, she finally agreed to put the stupid game up as it had consumed the kid and she now agrees it is mentally terrible for him. We shall see how it plays out. I had a conversation with him the day we took it away. I asked him a very simple quesiton: "other than the X Box, what do you like to do?" He could not answer me. I explained that this was the problem. He will take a while to recover I am sure, but I can not let him continue on the path he was on. It was getting to the point he was setting his alarm clock for the middle of the night, and sneaking downstairs to play. The younger two boys pretty much have no memory of their loser father, and have been around me basically for their entire memory serving lives. The youngest could easily be mistaken as my on. The middle one has some "manning up" to do as I mentioned before, being raised my his mother, grandmother, and aunts does no boy any favor. He is coming around, but has several issues still.

I have to almost remind myself hourly to keep my frame with these kids. I will do everything in my power to mentor these boys the best I can. Life is tough, and I almost feel my calling is to teach these boys how to be men. Who knows - hopefully we can drink beer in my garage together in twenty years and wrench on 3 wheelers together. Male comradere is what we all need more of!

[fabiodriven]

So many valuable posts here, it really is amazing. If I started quoting and replying to them all, this post would be way too long. I'm amazed at how much I've figured out in such a short amount of time.

Tim and Doug, in response to your most recent posts having to do with guiding a younger generation and being a role model, I do have a comparison to make. I have no children in my life (not by accident), I don't like kids. However I do know someone who I have attempted to guide which I can relate to your experiences to a degree.


The very first time you guys shared this and I began to read, I had a premonition of the future. One thing I learned when studying the law of attraction, you must be prepared to lose certain people from your life. That may sound like an undesirable result initially, however the people lost along the way are usually not the right people for you to be around in order for you to obtain your personal goals. We are all the company we keep. If you spend your time with losers, you will likely become a loser. If you spend your time with someone who is your idea of an aspiration, then it would be of no surprise if you started to become the man you'd like to be.

My premonition was that I might end up losing a friend over TRP, and I got that immediately after I started reading. Up until a couple weeks ago, I'd text with a particular friend all the time. We would text all day and night. The short story is, this guy is a loser. He's a big loser. He makes some really poor life decisions and doesn't appear to be learning a thing, it's very difficult for me to watch. He's doormat, everyone walks all over him. His boss, his family, and his old lady. As I began to learn this material, I immediately thought about that particular friend. I was a loser, but this kid is bad. As quickly as I'd thought about how beneficial this would be to him, I realized he would never invest himself into something like this. I knew then it was going to be a loss, mere minutes into beginning this thread. We have indeed had a falling out after a string of events where I watched him fail and helped him up, only to watch him fail again and make more poor decisions.

^^^This guy^^^ The guy I'm referencing in those two paragraphs we'll call "Betamax". When TRP subject was first brought up and subsequently this thread created, I learned so much about myself so quickly, it was almost overwhelming. It was as if someone were in my head and had been there observing my life and actions for years. I was the definition of beta, as I've said. As beta as I was, I have never met anyone as amazingly beta as Betamax. Now Betamax needs this subject in his life something fierce, this kid is a total pushover. I have been his shoulder to cry on for years now, and he's listened to me gripe as well. We've perpetually bounced horrible, depressing thoughts off one another for a very long time, and due to his poor decision making he's now desperately depressed and defeated, feelings I know all too well. As grateful as I was for my own well being when I began reading TRP, I couldn't help but imagine what this could do for Betamax. He is my friend, and I want to see him prosper in life and succeed. He had gotten to the point of his depression being so bad that he was speaking about seeking professional help, someone to talk to. If you knew this guy, you would know how much of an indicator that is that he's really, really desperate. He's uncommonly quiet, he didn't speak at all up until his late teens, so speaking to a therapist is a gigantic leap for him.

Betamax doesn't have the money to seek professional help either, he doesn't have the money for anything. Another indicator at how desperate he is. When I realized how helpful TRP would be to Betamax, I felt like Columbus when he discovered America. This would be huge to him, life altering, and it's FREE! The only price you pay is a little time invested, and very few things easy are worth doing.

Betamax was also raised fatherless in a family comprised completely of women with him being the only male. His sisters and mother are awful creatures I've learned from what Betamax has informed me of. Not long ago, Betamax and his awful girlfriend had to move out of their apartment and back home with his family because Betamax knocked up his girlfriend and they could no longer afford their apartment due to their new baby on the way, and also the apartment was too small to raise a child in. This was a huge step backwards, moving back home, and consistent with the actions taken by Betamax. If you're going to make a move, any move in life, move forward. Worst case scenario lateral moves are acceptable to a point where forward momentum can then be reinstated. Forward momentum with work, at home, with women, everything.

Betamax has no concern for excelling at anything at all or doing anything that requires any effort whatsoever. He's the best sleeper I've seen. He can fall asleep anywhere and sleep through any alarm clock for hours on end, and he could sleep a whole weekend away no problem. His boss is dealing with the onset of Alzheimer's, so essentially the boss is batshit crazy, dangerous, and his mind is in another dimension. It's just him and the boss there, nobody else at the company. For years he's worked there, he drives way too far every day into the city for what he's paid, and he's essentially the puppet of an elderly man with Alzheimer's. Now, you might think at some point during your elderly boss getting Alzheimer's that you would start "thinking for the boss", or taking over, or speaking up for yourself... Not Betamax! Betamax does what he's told, even if the person telling him what to do is an elderly man with Alzheimer's. It doesn't matter how dangerous or ridiculous the task, Betamax will never speak up. If I could share with you guys the countless stories over the years this kid's been working with this guy, my goodness. They are sign fabricators so they're working up over people's heads a lot. Lots of tools to drop from the tops of ladders or off roofs.... If you could see the stories of what this kid goes through every day you would be astonished. If it were me instead of Betamax, I wouldn't have lasted a week, and that's why I'm not in the predicament he is. I'd have left that guy and found a much better job, makes sense right? Betamax doesn't do that. Instead he decides he's working far too much and tells his boss he wants to lessen his work load and work three days a week instead of five. So let's review- He's just moved back home because he can't afford to be out on his own anymore, just had a kid with an awful girl, has no money whatsoever, and he decides it's time to cut his own hours. To explore another career option or do some side work? No. To catch up on sleep.

Then he comes home to his shite family. This kid is really nice, there's a reason why we were friends as long as we were, but his sisters and mom are terrible. I couldn't portray to you how disgusting these people are. Coffee filters for toilet paper, trash overflowing every day, bathroom completely coated in black mold, the fridge... oh the fridge... When Betamax moved in he had to clean the fridge, he had no choice because there was no room to put anything else in there. You might think "At least they have a lot to eat in the house." You would be mistaken in that assertion, because a huge amount of the food in the fridge had gone bad a looong time ago. This stuff is way past expired. There was four year old chicken in the freezer, no bullshit. I actually have a picture of that. This past fall when it first started to get cold (it wasn't near real cold yet), Betamax came home to find nobody in the house and the heat set to 82, the highest setting it will go to. It was probably about 45 degrees outside. Collectively the family has next to no money, they're all like him, so why not waste the home heating oil we have? Not only that but the furnace is rickety at best, so let's run it at full tilt, burning oil for no reason, when there's nobody home, and it's not even cold out. Another thing about when Betamax and his gee eff moved back home, the bathroom was a disgusting, moldy, mess. He didn't even send pictures of that, but the description he gave... This kid's sisters are total animals, it really is animalistic the way they live. If I didn't know who these women were and I saw them out somewhere I wouldn't hesitate to hit on them, which is scary. It's no wonder a decent amount of the women I have over my house are impressed by what I consider quite basic. Women in my experience are friggin slobs anyways, but I don't want to get carried away on that. So Betamax and his gee eff clean all the mold out of the bathroom when they move back home, clean the fridge, take out the piles of trash, and generally improve things around the house, only to have every action they take thwarted by the awful family. They are disgusting people and they like the way they are.

It's also Betamax's duty to keep the driveway clear of snow. With himself, his mom, and his sisters, that's four vehicles. All of them have significant others, so there's four more cars. Their driveway could accommodate about four cars give or take, so people end up parking on the lawn and such. Parking is tight. Betamax is the only one who knows how to use the snowblower (how convenient), so he goes out there and runs the machine. If he's lucky he might get one of the boyfriends out there to run a shovel. One might imagine that because of Betamax's efforts keeping the parking spots open that he would automatically get a spot himself. Once again, one might be mistaken in that assertion. After Betamax gets home from his underpaid job working for a mental case which is too far away to justify vs what he's paid, he now has nowhere to park. All the spots are taken not only by his sisters, but also their boyfriends! What does betamax do about this? Nothing, and he clears the parking spots out next storm for them again.

If you've not yet caught on this is what life is like when left to the devices of the female species, this is my whole point. Not just a rant about an argument with a friend.

The heat went out on them a half dozen times this winter, and Betamax now has an infant he's raising in that house. This is no bueno. You know, the heat that they had cranked to 82 when it was 45 outside? And that's another thing- the child. Betamax's gee eff sucks in just about every aspect. She walks all over him just like everyone else. It was way too soon when he got her prego, I winced hard on that one. Ouch dude. He's so bizarre in relationships, he acts as though there is no other woman in the world, it's really strange. I can't point out a pretty girl to him somewhere and talk about her, even if his girl isn't around. The times I've hung out with them as a couple I couldn't wait to get away from her. A night with her consists of her looking at everyone in the place we're at and finding awful things to say about them, and, every single time without failure, somehow there always ends up being someone who has been "staring at her all night", and it becomes a problem. OK, maybe if you didn't spend all night staring at everyone else and coming up with awful things to say about them you wouldn't end up with this problem every single time you go out? Maybe if you engaged the people you are there to see and held a decent conversation you wouldn't even know these other people exist? I dunno!

Which brings me to my next point, Betamax and his gee eff are going to fight the world. It got to the point I told him I don't want to hear about how they're going to beat everyone up every time we go out. I'm no tough guy, but Betamax is the direct opposite of whatever a tough guy is. I got so sick of hearing him and his gee eff talk about how they're going to get up and slap this one or beat that one up that I called him out. I said I would love to see either you or your gee eff slap ANYBODY. It's not going to happen, so would you guys please find a better subject to discuss or get up and slap somebody, please. They ain't slapping anyone, ever. He would never speak to her how he really feels, it's just whatever she wants and he goes along with it. He's afraid to speak to her. I inquired to him once about a friend of his girlfriend's that I had an interaction with on the Bookface. I knew this girl worked with his gee eff at Petco, but I didn't know which store they worked at. I was assuming they worked at the same store, and then I figured I'd go to that location the next time I needed cat litter. I asked Betamax which store his gee eff worked at, still under the assumption she worked at the same location as the girl I was interested in. He told me which location his girl works at and then I asked if the other girl worked there, at which point the conversation got weird. His answers got odd and indirect. It was a very simple question I had asked, yet he was skirting it. I knew exactly what the problem was. He wasn't sure what location this girl worked at, he knew it wasn't the same location as his girlfriend, but he didn't want to ask his girlfriend which location she worked at. I was already cold on the idea anyways, it didn't matter to me anymore. If she didn't work at the location I was asking about I wasn't going to go out of my way, so my question had already been answered. I could have dropped it then and there, but I was miffed. Why would he not ask his girl which location her friend worked at if I had wanted him to? What is the harm? Why try and play little word games with me and skirt the question? He knows he's going to lose a mental game with me. I'm not just going to forget I'd asked him. Why not just tell me the reason why he doesn't want to ask his girlfriend where her friend works? Because very few people are going to say "I'm scared to ask her that." Which is the truth. The reasoning behind it I don't know, but the ultimate answer is that he was scared to ask his girlfriend about her friend for me. He would rather bullshit me and play little word games with me and insult my intelligence than simply ask his girlfriend a question that she shouldn't be bothered by. That was right before I was introduced to TRP, and even before I realized how spineless this kid is. That made me mad and very disappointed in him, and it also made me see how spineless he really is even prior to TRP.

Many things "dawned on me" when I began reading this thread. I solved so many mysteries I had questions about, so many things just came to me. One of those things I realized has to do with Betamax being a "fight magnet". I had no idea why this was, but it was true. Multiple times over the years Betamax has been the target of random fights. The kid won't say boo to anyone, he won't even correct an order if whatever asked for at a restaurant comes out wrong, he'll just deal with it. He's that passive, super passive. For reasons I understand now, Betamax would be at a party when a random big dude would come at him and start a fight completely unprovoked. For years the reason behind this eluded me, but now it is clear as day. Obviously I don't have to explain anything to you all, it's clear what's going on in that situation and why it's happened to him so frequently. I've seen it happen to him at least twice, and one of those times our bigger buddy who likes to fight was there to save his ass. The other time I don't recall what happened but I can assure you Betamax kicked zero ass. It was a big deal for me to figure out why it is he's always dealing with that.

Honestly I could continue on with stories about this guy all day. I do realize how hard I'm trashing this kid right now, but I'm trying to set an example of worst case scenario if you do nothing and take the easy way through life all the time and sit around and lick your wounds. I love this kid, he's funny and we've had a lot of fun together, but I couldn't watch it anymore. It was tough to ever take him for face value or give his opinion any sort of credence because he's so amazingly wishy-washy. He'll go with the flow, even if that flow is going down the drain. On more than one occasion I misspoke and said the exact opposite of what I meant by accident, we've all done that. Rather than correct me, Betamax went along with what I accidentally said which was the direct opposite of what I meant, but when I corrected myself he was OK with that too. So how do you really feel? Nobody will ever know because he doesn't care how he really feels and never shows that to anyone. I want someone to correct me when I'm wrong, not a "yes man" who will bend to my every whim whether that be right or wrong (in those words are the absolute key as to why I am single).

If you've not yet caught on this is what life is like when left to the devices of the female species, this is my whole point. Not just a rant about an argument with a friend. This person was raised with no father under the influence of females and females only, and these are the results of this. This person is completely helpless, makes all the wrong decisions, and thinks he is content with "just getting by", meanwhile his depression is at dangerous levels. He made me nervous! That's saying a lot! Kid's got post-partem and he's not even a female!

TRP could be the answer to everything for him, but he refused to even try it. I was ecstatic to have been shown something like this for myself, and I couldn't wait to show him, but apparently reading and watching a few videos is too much effort and not worth it. This is an extreme case and he's likely to never change or improve, as his life patterns have shown that he never does. He's helpless, he takes steps backwards, and maybe he'll always be that way. That is none of my concern.

Doug if you're still reading this, I relate far too much to Porkchop, or related I should say. I feel his pain, I think many of us do. Depression can be the most god awful debilitating thing on the planet and the hardest thing in the world to get out of. Many die before they'll muster the effort to make improvements, and the thought of improving on a piece of shite (as a depressed person views themselves) seems like an exercise in futility when you're that low and depressed. It is very, very difficult to shake depression that's ingrained that deeply. We've all taken hits from women, that's what they do, and every one of our personal experiences in these situations is "exceptionally bad". We feel like we've just taken a hit harder than any man in existence has ever taken previous, however that's just not the case. We've all been there, we've all taken these hits, and the only way to win is to get up and hit back. You and I know this now, and I hope Porkchop figures it out at some point.

I hope I wasn't too long winded here. This guy has been on my mind since my journey with TRP has begun, and I'm unwell today on the couch. It was a good opportunity to do a little writing. Thanks for reading guys.

The following picture was taken in the fall of 2017.

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[ironchop]

Thanks John.

It's time to start applying myself to this problem with porkchop.

Our FIRST TF was effin great. He was in between girls. It was the first time I let him drive on a road trip or drive me anywhere for that matter. We connected more than ever in history and I thought it would continue but I forget that you can't just plant a seed in a pot and walk away.

Second TF was aweful. Brand new needy ass gf. She texted him non-stop for four days. She could not function without hearing from him literally (in the correct definition of the word) every fifteen minutes. Between all the rain all week and her constant need to be the center of attention, he was miserable. We fought alot that week. I had enough by Saturday morning so I packed the truck and we left.

She didn't need shyte....she couldn't stand that he was having fun and she was not and she was having none of that. When he's home, she won't text for hours. Fun time? Every ten minutes and then every minute until he answered. She was 18 with the maturity of a 12 yr old. Two parent household but guess what?....daddy issues....daddy is a beta too and her mother RULES his life, cheats on him, steals his stuff, leads the state police on high speed chases, carjacks people, does meth, stole my son's guns, and he takes her back every time so that's what Princess had for a male role model so naturally she seeks the same.

We ended up in a fight about it after a four hour truck ride home where he had to stay talking to her the entire time. He got smart with me at home and I told him to "stop being a pussy" and we aren't going on anymore trips until he learned to put her in her place....he chose her, of course.

His cousin is a carbon copy of him and three years older. She starts F@#$ING his cousin, then dumps porkchop, gets his cousin to take her on vacation and gets the cousin to blow thru his $3800 in savings ...in under two weeks, Nick had $300 left. She dumps Nick, gets porkchop back because Nick is out of money. I banned the whore from my house last summer...that's still in effect but I know he sneaks her in when I'm not at home. She repeated the behavior again a couple months ago and kicks Pork out and moves in her "friend" a meth head that looks like Adam Sandler in Little Nicky. That lasted a couple weeks till Little Nicky gets busted for meth and then she's calling Pork back again.

BTW, her daddy pays her rent too. her friends buy her food because they feel sorry for her. She had no job either from June until last month.

Its DISGUSTING.

Pork gets openly hit on by very attractive, and more importantly, very well adjusted, intelligent, and responsible young ladies and older ones too....both who got their shyte together. He ignores them because I guess he thinks he can only keep a broken girl anyway so why try...this just kills me. It's breaking his mom's heart too. She realizes her mistakes with him but at this point, he's 23 and dead set on being a brooding lost boy with enough weed to forget his troubles.

Her aspiration was to be a "no-touch" stripper" or a hair and nail tech. Straight from her mouth, not mine. The girls who want him are fashion models, college graduates, driven girls....or they are broken, twisted, emotional children who blame everyone else for every poor decision they made. Girls who tell me they can't work because "I have social anxiety" or "I have to smoke weed or else my periods are all out of whack or really bad" or "I was in a car wreck and I'm going on disability as soon as they let me" and then go water skiing or master reverse cowgirl like nothing is truly wrong with them. I don't make this up. This is actually being said out loud. I've been told "I can't concentrate without weed because ADHD" and "I can't eat or digest food right without weed"

I'm not down on herb. The problem I have is when these kids buy weed instead of food or rent. Or when they get online, find every excuse to justify getting more weed by reading the latest "weed is good for treating __________(insert name of every known malady here)" and then they need 14 hours of Xbox and seven blunts a day. A job just gets in the way of their 'treatment'.

Being a general loser isn't my battle either but these kids refuse to suffer anything so naturally someone's mom, baby daddy, grandma, or the taxpayer are expected to cover their expenses. After all, I'm a victim and I can't be held accountable for this Capitalist oppression. I deserve a living wage and legalized zombie smoke and F@#K you for saying I need a job.


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[atctim]

After reading about Betamax, I feel really bad for him. I feel I have been in similar situations as his, but never to the extent you describe. Now, on to the issue of the chicken! With all of the wiminz living in this house together, where Betamax lives now - there is obviously no leadership whatsoever! I've seen this time and time again. Growing up I always heard how messy and dirty men are. It was later in life, when I began working in my profession, that I visited many different houses daily. Without a doubt, the female species are the dirtiest, messiest, filthiest of the sexes. I've seen it first hand so many times. I've seen Nina sweep the kitchen floor into a pile, stand the broom up beside the pile, and walk away from it for 3 days. I've actually seen that happen twice, and I'll bet it never happens again. I just can not in my pea brain understand how 5 minute job can be cut short by one minute, and then put off for the next 3 days. It is puzzling to me honestly. Without a leader, are they that helpless? Most are. My mother raised me in an ultra clean house. I'm talking super clean. Thursday would be house cleaning day. Everything was cleaned regardless if it needed it or not. 4 times per year all the walls were wiped down. 4 times per year, everything came out of all the kitchen cupboards and the shelves wiped down. I realize that is craziness now days, but it instilled in me taking good care of my possessions, and I take pride in a clean house to this day. There can be a happy medium. However - it goes to show that women are clueless (most - not all) without a good man in their lives. Not only do women want a leader, they need one. I do believe the Bible even talks about it. Without going on a religious rant, as I know many of you aren't into it much, there is this verse I will quote:
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

[OTAlucard]

After reading the two above stories. That's the most depressing trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro I've ever heard.

I thank the good lord that he has blessed me to not give a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro about women.

My friend Amber explained it like this. Most guys will say she's not that bad. Then I'll say no she's bad at the third red flag.

If i was lil pork chop I would've said that I was busy. And would be busy for 4 days. Men stuff. Etc.

But if she's no good. Get rid of her don't think about getting one last bang in. Just get rid of her. There's more than just her out there. :( it's not his fault Shes crazy. She won't get any better. Just dump her.

No girl will ever bring me down. And most pass me over when they figure it out.

You know. That girl I was talking about the one I've known for 13 years contacted me last week. Said that I was being investigated that she hired somebody to investigate me. I'll do a full write up with pictures later on.


I don't even know what to say about betamax. It was better than VHS. ?

[ironchop]

Update:

I just spent an hour talking to porkchop. I took responsibility for my earlier beta behavior and parenting style first thing.

I explained TRP (as much as you can work in to an hour conversation) and gave him a bunch of examples and I could almost see the light bulb kicking off in his head. He's on his way to an appointment to record with his band so we had to cut it short but he asked if we could hang out tomorrow and talk about this more in-depth because he's expressed an interest in the subject and he admitted that he realizes he's suffering some kind of identity crisis right now and that is making him feel like a chump and causing alot of frustration and depression.

I think we are going to re-wire De'onnas Super Beetle while we talk and that way, nobody bothers us because we're up to 'boring' stuff

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[fabiodriven]

Update:

I just spent an hour talking to porkchop. I took responsibility for my earlier beta behavior and parenting style first thing.

I explained TRP (as much as you can work in to an hour conversation) and gave him a bunch of examples and I could almost see the light bulb kicking off in his head. He's on his way to an appointment to record with his band so we had to cut it short but he asked if we could hang out tomorrow and talk about this more in-depth because he's expressed an interest in the subject and he admitted that he realizes he's suffering some kind of identity crisis right now and that is making him feel like a chump and causing alot of frustration and depression.

I think we are going to re-wire De'onnas Super Beetle while we talk and that way, nobody bothers us because we're up to 'boring' stuff

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I was glad to read this Chop. A guy as young as him with the options he has should be just fine once he figures things out. It has always been so sad to me to see guys who act like Porkchop has been acting, especially if they have other options. In his state, he's blind to his options though. People have told me for years that I shouldn't be concerned with meeting women, that I have options, and I've always believed that to be completely false, and so it has been. There is no reason it wouldn't be if it's something I "know" to be true. I tried a second time with an ex, and it ended just as anyone would have guessed (and most did). I really wish I'd had known these things a long time ago.

[atctim]

Iron: I'm happy to hear you are able to re-connect with PorkChop! Sometimes young men need a little refresher when it comes to stuff like this! I hope he sees through all the bull crap and comes to his senses. Putting that kitty on the pedestal never ever works! As far as taking her back after she wronged him is a big no-no too. That should never happen. A zebra can not change it's stripes!

I myself am struggling with the oldest boy. We sent him to stay with his "old school, no nonsense" grandmother this weekend for an eye-opener. When he came back home he was fine for one evening, and then this morning he is right back to his old ways. You hate to keep taking things from a young man, but in this case, there is no "young man" - but rather just a boy crying for the wrong types of attention. It's times like this when I am finding parenting to be a complete pain in the rear. It seems no matter what I do - he goes against the grain. While I realize that is part of growing up, he is going against the very fabric of what he wants and loves. When he continues to "agitate" his entire family, for no reasons other than wanting attention, he gets his privileges such as riding taken away. Am I over-thinking?

Any advice for getting a 12 year old boy to respect things / people? Most of all, he doesn't respect himself, and that is the core problem. I think I need to not over-think, but rather let him learn on his own. I think I will take his brothers out for a 3 wheeler ride tonight and leave him at home to think about his actions.

[ironchop]

Yeah him and his girlfriend were asleep in his Rodeo this morning in the driveway when I left for work. He knows she can't come in the house per my rules so they slept in the driveway. More for myself than to punish him. I can't stand to look at her and I'm usually as rude as I can be with her as I am with anyone I don't respect at all.

Taking things away from porkchop never worked. One, because his mother defied my wishes and discipline and two, he's quite adept at out-lasting the best of efforts to contain his nonsense especially with mommy running block. I can't give you any useable advice on that front, Tim. We're going to have to be creative because most of society and these boys mothers are being as obstructive as they can be with social reinforcement and apathy for their "plight" being found everywhere on social media

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"Men are cruel and jealous of female empowerment. It threatens them!"

and then the peanut gallery joins in to virtue signal and fight for social justice using thumbs and hearts and snark and vitriol

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I know that he's going to have trouble moving past her. She has a knack for knocking him down every time he gains ground and starts to feel good about himself and I know she does it on purpose. Her mother does the same to her father. It's another tactic of control. Since I know that she's never going to stop this as she thinks there's nothing wrong with her, just as most teens today feel no personal responsibility for irrational teen behavior (they now have gun rallies to reinforce to themselves that they are infallible and above reproach and adults are to blame) and her father and mother both reinforce her immature behaviors, I'm going to have to resign myself to stop worrying about her undoing what I've built with this boy and just outlast her by reeducating my son despite her efforts to hold him back. My wife gives her way more credit than she deserves and says things like "she's just a child and cares for him but is troubled" as if she thinks that's an excuse for the girl to be a manipulative twatwaffle (which is also the root of the problem because, ultimately, alot of women will excuse other female behavior by proxy because they've been conditioned to believe they must stick together lest The Patriarchy tries to put them back in the kitchen to make sammiches)

Another thing is that I'm not stupid either. Kids and wimmens think they can tell adults what adults want to hear and get them off their back. This is all a tiny step in the right direction IF he is indeed willing to hear the message. Only time will tell but I think I'm going to give him an ultimatum to get his own apartment in six months or less and I'll have to fight his mom to do this but I made it clear to both of them together Saturday that I had intended to leave so if anyone thinks they can outwait or outvote me, they will find themselves dead wrong, broke, and trying to pay for a house and bills. I also made it clear to my woman separately that she needs to really think about what her life would be like with Porkchop and his road whore living there and trying to get them to help her with bills after I unsubscribe from this crap. She seemed very concerned when she considered that much.

The thing to remember is that we men are NOT trapped at all and I can walk right out if things don't change or stay changed. My kids are all grown adults anyway though only one of them seems to be trying to act like a child. My daughters are both independent and doing ok probably because there's no true war on femininity despite what they are taught publicly. I still keep a "move out" fund and will continue to keep one no matter what cheap words anyone can think to say to change my mind. I'm no chump.

Ultimately, he will listen, or learn the hard way, or he will allow her to help making sure that he turns himself into a giant cuck and friend-zones himself with every woman after her when she's left the shell of a former young man to go and use up the next sucker. I hope he chooses wisely but that remains to be seen.

Ultimately though, we have the trump card. We can just bow out and move on

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[Scootertrash]

I sent these guys over, thought it might do 'em some good.

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[El Camexican]

I just caught up on this thread again and I had to read some posts twice because I couldn’t believe what I read the first time.

I’m mortified by young Chop’s situation, but I can relate due to a very fu*cked up on/off relationship I was in from 18 to 21.

Unfortunately when I finally pulled my head out of my arse she was knocked up. Found out 3 weeks after I dumped her for good. Probably happened after she dragged me back into bed after I’d dumped her and she begged for one last no strings attached romp in the sack. I was stupid enough to take her up on it and it cost me more that anyone can imagine

If I have any advise to offer him it’s GTFO of town NOW! Lose the phone, delete the FB account and don’t let her know where you went. If she senses he’s about to grow a set and dump her she could get knocked up and become a permanent cancer in his life.

Good luck with this.

[atctim]

Here is a very very interesting read:

INTRO


I was in the car with a plate the other day and as we pulled up to a service station a particularly busty woman walked past. I remarked as I do upon the glorious sight and my plate responded as she always does by talking about her desire for bigger boobies.


“I wish someone would just buy them for me,” she opines.


Innocently I ask, “Why don’t you just wish to get the money or even just save the money and then use it to get them?”


“No that would be pointless,” she says emphatically. “If I get that money I can use it for something else. I don’t want to pay for them myself.”


I smile to myself, hoping some beta actually does pay for them for her, marvelling at her logic.


NOTHING COUNTS TO ME IF I DIDN'T EARN IT


I, like most men, abhor a handout. There’s nothing more humiliating to me than charity. If I want it - whatever it is - I’ll work to get it myself. And if I don’t I absolutely won’t whinge or whine I don’t have it while hoping someone else will go out and get it for me. It's little wonder that a great deal of success with women is feeling like you're worthy of it.


But our female counterparts? Women in America earn less than half the overall money yet spend more than 80% of it. Not only do they want unearned benefits, they actively enjoy them more than if they did have to earn them. Having to work to get something that was handed to a competitor in the sexual marketplace would be a sign of low value. I’m sure we’ve all heard some variation of “Stacey’s husband bought her a handbag.” Cue pout.


WOMEN WANT AND ACTUALLY ENJOY UNEARNED BENEFITS MORESO THAN EARNED


Anyone who has ever had to work in an office doing the same role as a woman knows they will use every one of their feminine wiles (flirting, acting helpless, playing dumb, playing victim) to achieve an outcome without actually working to get it. To get to an outcome without actually having to work for it is the end game for women.


What you have to understand in this most frustrating of circumstances is that she needs to behave like this to feel like a competent woman. Her value lies in her ability to leverage resources out of men via her sexuality and/or the promise of it.


FEMINISM AT ITS CORE IS THIS PRINCIPLE WRIT LARGE


Feminism is complaining about the (imagined) unearned benefits men and demanding those perceived unearned benefits for women. In terms you’d know: breaking down male privilege to build equality of (unearned) outcome. I.e. Justin Trudeau threw out the pesky barriers to entry on his cabinet such as competence and experience and replaced them with gender. Half men, half women and you can be damn sure many of those women did not earn their spot. But god were they pleased.


The great irony of course is that male “privilege” is a total myth. Men have the privilege of dying in wars, committing suicide at 3.5 times the rate of women and being homeless at 4 times the rate of women. No man has anything handed to him, nor does he have the option of “opting out” without great social shame. There are no female providers lined up to look after a hard done by man and certainly no one to buy him a drink (or new boobies) because he’s cute. A woman can opt out of earning altogether and still receive from either big daddy government or a beta provider (even post divorce) but no man is considered a man who doesn’t earn and contribute.


So when you know that women equate their own self worth and value with extracting resources and getting to outcomes via men it’s not hard to see why they’re not outraged at the proposed death of meritocracy. Competing for things via effort is simply a fool’s errand in their mind. And when they see other women achieving wealth and position without earning it, it doesn’t set off any kind of offence or alarm bell for them: it’s the natural state.


FEMINISM IS A SHITE TEST AND SO IS HER ASKING YOU TO PAY FOR THINGS


This simple understanding is the most AWALT of AWALT. Even your perfect NAWALT unicorn won't change a tire herself if she can get a man to do it for her. To bring this back to sexual strategy: not paying for her is a critical factor in being perceived as alpha. If you want her to get wet for you DON’T PAY FOR HER.

***Note - AWALT = All Women Are Like That......NAWALT = Not All Women Are Like That

[ironchop]

This is truth^^

A woman I dated had admitted to me after we met twenty years ago that she got her own boob job and a sports car this way. At least one of those two separate guys she did not have any kind of sexual relationship with (he had hoped in vain for one after buying the car, but no dice for him)

Then a guy like me comes along and bangs her on the hood of that car. Do I feel bad? No. Her dealings before me had nothing to do with me. Do I pity them or think of them as a chump? No, I'm grateful to one of them for two handfulls of those modified breasts and the other for the sports car that was fun to drive until I wrecked it. I'm sure to some I still sound like an arsehole, but again, I have no control over the actions of her or the men that were manipulated. I hope they grew and learned to stick up for themselves. I didn't wreck a family or steal a girl so calm down. Girls can't be stolen unless they want to be so it's important to stop blaming "those other guys"

My ex sister in law was a stripper and oh the cash giveaways, jewelry, and the brand new Pontiac GTA she scored from "regulars" who never got any closer to the Magic Box than sniffing distance. And she was proud of it proclaiming "they know we're just friends and they do this for me because they care"..... selfish justifications.

My adopted sister recently told me she was sleeping with guys to avoid being homeless. She's a troubled soul but is that really the reason or are grounded and practical women doing the same too?

This link is VERY eye-opening...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211794/Some-unromantic-reasons-women-sleep-men.html

I decided at a very early age (teen) (before I met that woman) that I needed to be more like the men that are portrayed in movies and TV and be more empathetic, sensitive, worshippy, and Beta because those guys always persevere in romance movies and get "THE Girl". Problem was that all I was sleeping with were needy, unintelligent, manipulative, and broken little girls. "THE Girls" were all friend-zoning me despite my best behavior, efforts, and unlimited attention. I got cheated on and dumped quite a few times too.

A good friend Mike once told me in a strip club in 1996 after I asked him how he scored strippers all the time when we both were about equal economically, looks-wise though he was a bit more muscular.....he told me it was my attitude and bet me $200 that I could sleep with a stripper too if I honestly tried to "throw your good-guy act in the trash" and also "stop throwing money at them and act as if they are bothering you when they solicit you. Stay away from the stage seats". It took two months before I took home a stripper.... actually I took her to her home and then ............you get the point. I was HAPPY to pay up that bet. It took me a little longer to figure out strippers were mostly NOT good mate material so I hadn't learned enough at that point yet, but I did learn to stop turning every woman I met into a princess in my mind. A few more years and alot of conversations with real women friends taught me ALOT about the nature of females....Hint: ask other chicks especially ones who are not interested in you sexually at all AND do not keep you as a 'backup plan', potential monkey branch, or boy toy. Girls who've friend-zoned you are more likely to be honest and truthful about women in general and they have been better 'wingmen' for me than any male friend. If shes interested in you even a little as a backup or whatever, you're not going to get the truth. She's not going to show you her game plan just in case. My biological sister has been the most brutally honest. My mom like to say good Irish Catholic Mom stuff like "A good woman won't do those things. You need a good Christian woman"

My Irish Catholic sister will tell me how not to cawkblock myself. I still get advice from her.


Edit: Strippers were used as an example because a stripper has a very high 'sexual market value'. They are usually young or young looking, in top shape, erotic in motion, and very pretty so they can have their pick of the beta man pool and usually do well scoring alphas as well. She's the kind of girl all betas dream of scoring and when you bragged to your buddies, you made sure to say "and she's a stripper"
I was as infatuated with strippers as any Beta, so that was my #lifegoals at that age

Edit again: also, though my biggest success was in my mid to late twenties to about 35, at 47, I'll need to work MUCH harder to score the same because my sexual market value is much lower now since I'm older and in much worse shape than my days as a tanned 28yr old construction worker. This is where "amplifiers" like money and power come into play to boost ones sexual market value score.

Also, as I got older and COMPLACENT, I became beta again and lowered my own sexual market value and when this happened, I started having more relationship trouble so I had to reboot and start working on myself and my mindset again just to keep the woman I had despite our many years together.




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[ironchop]

Here is a very very interesting read...

Hey Tim, I'm having trouble finding a good link using Google to explain the role of sexual market value and how it's scored.

You got anything?



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[atctim]

Try this:

Sexual Market Value (SMV)

What

The worth in the eyes of your woman as to your sexual attractiveness comparatively to other men. The basic standard that she is judging your fitness, attractiveness, and leadership. There are two kinds. The ones where you calculate by hand and this is called the SMV Value. The second kind is the one where she has judged you based on no controls, only experimental Chad's. This is called the Perceived SMV or PSMV for short.

Perceived SMV is merely what your wife is seeing and judging. Like many things she is not good at doing, this is not one of them. She see's you every day and is quite literally judging you constantly.


When you take this assessment you need to be brutally honest with yourself. You must also be brutally honest to your mate. She is judging you in the harshest way possible so be fair, answer truthfully. It matters.

Your body will be one of the first thing a woman notices about you. You can look like a ripped jacked up body builder or a man who wrestles bears for a living. The one thing that you don't want to have is a dad bod or be grossly overweight. She wants to run her fingers over your hard body. She wants to feel like she is safe because she knows you can protect her and her offspring. A recent quote by Alana Massey "He made me feel safe not because he was gentle but because I knew he was capable of violence and cruelty that I was confident he would never direct at me." that pretty much sums it up.

Your clothes should be proper fitting. There is a great article here detailing how your clothes should fit if you work in an office. Always dress to impress your lady and especially other ladies. The days of lounging around on a sunday morning in ripped pajama bottoms and a wife beater need to come to an end. Look great. This also builds into the next part.

Your confidence is something else she is going to take into account. Alpha men are first and foremost comfortable with themselves. Failures are not losses to leaders of men. When you lose, don't lose the lesson. Everything is a learning experience. A confident man doesn't take women seriously, and they love this. Amused Mastery is probably the most effective pickup strategy when passing trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests with a woman you just met. As you move into a relationship and onto marriage you should be moving onto Amused Mastery. Passing her fitness/trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests are what's going to get you accepted as the leader of the family.

Your frame needs to be your frame. There is a reason it is the #1 Iron Rule. "Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are. " Your women should be operating in your frame without even realizing it. Your wife doesn't want you to seek her permission or do the things the way she wants them done. She won't respect you for that.

Your alpha traits should focus on being the leader and taking charge with your family. This also means never apologize. Apologizing to your woman is weakness in her eyes. There was a point in my marriage where my wife would batter me with attacks until I apologized for the 90% lean beef and then use it as her reload to come back harder. Your woman will not respect you and she doesn't want you to either. You must convey sureness of self, proximal dominance, and charisma. Then finally to end with positive attitude and no matter how bad things are going you are managing to find joy in it.

What It Isn't

SMV is not merely the function result of the amount of women you are trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro. While many red pill sites describe it as such, it's just simply not applicable to the married man. You won the woman. You are trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro one woman the rest of your life.

SMV is not the end all be all of your measurement as a man in your wife's eyes.

Why You Need to Increase It

The first and foremost reason to increase SMV are tingles. Tingles are the raw subconscious generated lust. They dampen her panties when she sees you acting like a redpill man. They overcome her very thoughts and judgement. As also mentioned in MRP they are like heroin, and she will get her fix from you or someone else. When you can generate the tingles in your lady, it will open a whole new sexual world for you. Gone will be the duty sex and starfish. Keep in mind however, that starfish from some ladies is just because they dont know how to trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro. It's up to you to lead her, and when the tingles keep her vagina moist, she will do as you instruct.

You should be gaming your wife every single day. PUA with strange women and when you find ones that work, bring them home and use them on her. Practice your kino. As your SMV increases women will become more much responsive to your attention. When you have your frame structured well, practice in front of your wife.

Your rank in your male social circle is going to see a significant improvement. Making friends will be easier, especially beta friends who need a leader. Other friends will start respecting you, and even people you work with would rather associate to an attractive person than a betafat. When is the last time you saw a charismatic jacked man eating lunch by himself?

How do you increase your SMV?

Lifting. You are playing red pill if you are not lifting. You have to lift heavy ass weights, there is no other exercise that you can substitute. Already, so many posts on this lifting idea. Starting Strength, StrongLifts, etc.... The programs are free on the internet and merely requires just an hour or two of your day, three days a week. You can read, practice, etc.... but if you are not lifting do not bother to do any of it.

Reading. The sidebar books are the best bet. Tried and true methods, in plain english ready for your consumption. Take a book like No More Mister Nice Guy and read it all the way through one time. Then cherry pick some things from the book and try it out for size. Then start the book on page 1 and do every exercise in the book. Wash, rinse, and repeat for all the books. Especially on Kino and PUA.

Proper Attire. Dress to impress. Invest in some clothes, shop clearance racks, find a tailor/seamstress. Start looking good. It's the one thing you can do today for instant results tomorrow. I don't care where you work. Shined shoes, good dress clothes, if you are in business. If you are a blue collar construction guy then invest in some nice carhartt or some such and keep it looking good. Fit properly and make sure you look nice.

Displaying Alpha Traits. Start passing trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests and comfort tests. Look like you have money even if you don't. Display power and dominance, but not overtly. Cool and confident in stressful situations. Stop immediately with the good listening skills, thoughtfulness, and compassion. NMMNG is the order of the day.

Become the Oak Tree. They bend in sway in the heaviest of storms, but stay firmly rooted in the ground. When her hamster goes full retard, and her world is crumbling around her, she needs someone who has their trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro together. Your confidence will be the strength you need.

Benefits to you

Confidence will sky rocket
Your sexual intensity, quality, and quantity will increase proportionately.
One step further into your new alpha life
Increase your rank in the male heirachy
Benefits to your significant other

Tingles
Hypergamy is satisfied
Submissiveness/Willingness
Loyalty, as much as their can be
She will be much more satisfied with her mate choice
Example of your Perceived SMV being significantly Lower to your Wife's SMV

The worst situation you can be in, you are a 0 and she is a 20
No sex or worse, duty sex.
Hard no's almost constantly
Outright anger, insulting, and other bad behaviour to you and in front of others.
trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests are basically the norm of the day, there is no respect at all, possibly even contempt
Hypergamy, she is already branch swinging, and multiple affairs already in the pocket
You being the leader is laughable right to your face as she goes out "with friends"
Example of your Perceived SMV being the same or slightly lower

Not the best situation, but not the worst either, you are a 15 and she is 25
Sex life could be described as barely adequate
Hypergamy is being tested constantly, probably already had a secret affair but didnt keep it going
There is a lack of respect no matter how overt it may be, trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro tests are extremely common
She may accept you as the leader, but she is just waiting for you to slip
Example of your Perceived SMV being slightly higher

You are in the ideal "pocket" of SMV, as long as you trending right below significantly higher. You are a 19 and she is 30-35
trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro test every now and again, but mostly comfort tests
Sex is damned good and she is always willing.
Hypergamy is satisfied for now, but she is always testing, won't ever stop really, not entertaining affairs or other men
Women are probably checking you out , and this makes her tingle
She accepts you as the leader
Example of your Perceived SMV being significantly higher

The second worst situation you can be in, you are a 21 and she is a -4
Sex is anyway you want it, anytime you want it, on your terms
Hypergamy is totally satisfied and doesnt entertain fantasy's of affairs
Comfort tests are through the roof, and you have alot of work to do
She will be at the top of her game to keep you around, and you might need to ask yourself if you are going to stay around

[fabiodriven]

Guys thanks so much for the fantastic posts, once again there is more for me to comment on than I can remember.

Clearly I had a struggle last week when I was sick, I get overtaken. I feel great as I type this and have felt well for a few days now. One success that I will open this post with as far as my personal progress goes, I do have the physical aspect of things very much on lock. As soon as I was healthy enough I began working out again, so it's been three or four days I think. I was hitting it hard before I got sick, then I had to rot for a week or so. During that time it felt like all progress mentally and physically was lost, but everything is right where I left it now. I hit the weights hard tonight before I even read Tim's latest post which leaned so heavily towards physical fitness, it's just what I do now. This may seem odd, but I enjoy working out to the point that I almost feel guilty when I spend a lot of time doing it because I will put other things aside and work out. Body and mind, it is a requirement for me.

Also I must say, I don't like fake knockers. My most recent eff-buddy had fake cans, they're big and she's skinny, and they look great and all, but I didn't like how they felt. I don't mind a rackless woman at all actually. I much prefer a flat chick over one with fake fun bags. Not that it matters, haha. Just figured I'd chime in on that.

I do have someone I have been practicing with for years, and it's only recently come to my attention what has been happening all along with this particular young lady. When I met her, I was around 24 or 25, and at that time she would have been about 15 or 16 I would be guessing? She's the boss's daughter. I knew she had a crush on me from the very beginning. I didn't pay her any mind for years and I was in a happy relationship anyways, she didn't even exist to me. I knew I meant a lot to her though. After my relationship went south, I did sleep with this young lady once. By that time I was 29 or 30 so she was 20 or 21. She's cute, big blue eyes, skinny... You'd think I'd go nuts for her, I'd think so too. She's never "done it" for me though, and I have a feeling it's the "little sister syndrome", something I never thought would affect me. I think that's what it is though. I worked closely with her older brother for years and her father owned the company, then for years I actually worked with her as she handled the books in the office.

There is always sexual tension there, now as much as ever if not more so, and she's obligated to someone. Now I love this girl, I care for her, but I've truly "never cared" to have her attention in a romantic way. She loves me as well, but she loves me loves me. She doesn't even deny it and actually told me she loved me earlier tonight. I have always had this young lady's attention and I clearly have the upper hand in all of our conversations, and I don't hide or sugar coat anything. I call her fat (she's not) and tell her when I'm gonna fire off a doogan, and she'll reply to the text before I can close my phone. She knows I don't think she's fat but that's a big statement to make to any woman regardless of their actual size. She'll gripe about a terrible lunch she bought and inhaled and I'll be like "You're huge." Then she'll send a little sad face or something and I'll just keep hammering her, and she loves it, lol! Honestly this has been going on long before this thread was started and I didn't realize the whole time how I have been addressing this person and the effect on our interaction it has. She's a very tempted individual but in all seriousness I just enjoy toying with her because I already know what she thinks of me and for how long she has. Her thoughts about me are ingrained in who she is as a person at this point. I feel like the way I toy with this person, it would not surprise me if I were put into a position where an opportunity for me would present itself. I feel like I would have to decline that opportunity. I know that would raise my worth in her eyes even further, and I would hope that might raise my value overall. I could potentially use that energy elsewhere just as I can use the energy from this situation which already exists.

Whenever I go food shopping, or to the doctor, or even to Lowe's now, I wear dress shoes, a watch, and a button up shirt. I keep my beard dead sexy. I'm not wearing dress shirts per se, I have a choice few in a rotation. My go-to is an Express shirt my army buddy gave me in 2004. We were going out on short notice from his place so he gave me that shirt. We both agreed I looked ravishing in it so it became mine. Cack sucker still looks the tits to this day! Shot (short) sleeve shirts will be OK very soon, which will open up a lot more choices for me.

A few days ago I was in Walmart, one of the few places I see women in the flesh, and the place was stocked with potentials. I saw a woman I recognized from when I used to go to the Y, she looks a little older than me. No ring. She was alone but there was kid food in her shopping carriage. I was still coming out of being sick but I had the glimmer inside of me. I didn't approach her, I didn't approach any that day, but even the way I look at them now is light years ahead of where I was, which was averting my eyes. I'm not giving them the 1,000 yard stare or glaring, I know what I'm doing. A young'un turned towards me and I was already looking at her, and I was letting that be known. She drove herself there, that's good enough for me. The young ones have always liked me, and I've never had an issue with that. As she left the store she looked at me again, she didn't have to do that. It's not difficult to stand out in a good way in Walmart.

Good fortune favors the bold, and I was less than bold that day. I am doing well at the moment and trying to keep the ball rolling. Honestly I could give a frig about women right now. Sure I have moments where my mind starts wandering to things I'd rather not think about and I may falter a bit, but that's light years ahead of where I was before this all started. Obviously I have my health to deal with which I now know may be a bit more fragile than I had realized, but from this experience I have learned that if I get knocked down for a week to just hide and wait it out, watch some friggin movies or something. Ideally I won't be dealing with faltering anymore and I've already referenced it way too much in this post.

I'm very grateful this thread is still going and enjoy learning about this subject very much. I should be able to get back in that book soon, I'm a terrible reader.

[Scootertrash]

Anything more than a mouthful is a waste. :naughty:;):beer

I call them "Fun Size" titties. Just like the "Fun Size" candy bars.

[6bt]

I've been following the whole RP thing for a few years, met my gf shortly after. They say the next step after RP is mgtow. What are your guy's thoughts on that? If my relationship doesn't work out, I'd consider it. Maybe not 100%, but no more serious relationships. Truth be told, I like my alone time with my toys, and not compromising for anything. Ive had several unhappy, older friends tell me if they could do it all over again, they'd just stay single forever.

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[atctim]

If my relationship goes south, I'm MGTOW for sure. Seen the same re-run in my life far too many times. Although with RP knowledge, my current relationship is far different, and far better. RP teaches what society never did. But still MGTOW is not for everyone, but it seems to be right up my alley!

[ironchop]

If my relationship goes south, I'm MGTOW for sure. Seen the same re-run in my life far too many times. Although with RP knowledge, my current relationship is far different, and far better. RP teaches what society never did. But still MGTOW is not for everyone, but it seems to be right up my alley!Same here. This one is on the rocks yet again and I just don't care enough anymore to bother if it goes south. I had 10 days to myself this month and it was awesome. She came home and was nice for a day then it was all about being a dick to me because her job sucks.

After this, I'm solo for sure. I might date but I'm living alone.

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[ironchop]

Sure thats what they all say ...........and den you`re bof pussy whipped............oh please come back and do what you did the last time ..........oh ....hohohohoho !Well then, by all means tell us how you're the King of your Castle De San Dank, sir.

I'm interested to know how you keep your wimmens in line and under your thumb.

Preach on, professor, preach on

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[ironchop]

Nah i facked up and got married...........i`m too cheap to give up half ...........i should buy a shovel and dig a hole in the backyard under the shed .........or maybe the Desert .........theres alot of holes in the desert........No fret......the Dark and Fuzzy Triangle has magical properties meant to bring men to their knees

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[fabiodriven]

After my last post, the young lady I referenced came by for an evening. It was Friday and I already had plans to shoot pool with my neighbor Hot Rod Brian, and this girl was guilting me into hanging out. She just wants to come by and hang out, and I've blown her off a lot. This time I said frig it, and I canceled on Brian. She came by and I must say, I felt her to be anything but sister-like. We got more friendly than she should have and I have been reminded of the fire which does still exist inside of me, which is big for me. I question it at times likely because of middle age coming on. The monster is still there indeed, he just lies dormant when unprovoked. It didn't used to be that way, he ran things. This is a good thing for me I believe. I have been known to share many aspects of my life on here which may cause readers to judge, and I understand those who might view me in a certain light for the part I am playing in this particular instance. It is not my first choice, far from it. I was dragged away from relationships kicking and screaming, I was completely reliant on someone else and I thought I'd never been happier in life that way. I wouldn't have changed that for the world if it were up to me, those times tore me apart. I did not want to become the person I am, but fighting it the way I have been was wrong and did not help my situation. I do not want to be "this guy", and I'm working away on that. The young lady I'm talking about loves my attention and has shown nary a sign of regret, and I didn't realize how beautiful she is. It was good for us both but obviously unfortunate to another.

That being said, rather than focus every thought in my head on this person and falling in love with them regardless of their situation as I normally would, I am not thinking about it at all. She is exciting and on my mind, but not a concern. She is a plate, more of which I need to procure.

My buddy Chappy (Trikefest 2016 veteran) came by Saturday evening and dragged me out for the night, which is a feat. I tried to get out of it but he wasn't taking no for an answer. We drank in Norwell on the South Shore, then in Southie, then we closed a late night place in the South End. Yes, these are three different areas. The prospects at the first place were too old and wealthy. At the second place they were too young and millennial. In the third place they were probably the best, but I'm not a huge fan of making moves in loud bars. I don't even like loud bars. If I saw someone I knew I had to hit on, it wouldn't matter where we were, but I didn't see her that night. I did leave my comfort zone just by going out though, and even more so by going out in Boston, and I did enjoy myself. I'd rather approach a woman in other places though honestly, so I didn't feel any guilt for not making any moves that night.

So I seem to be the banner MGTOW in this thread, although I don't feel as though I should take that title because I didn't go my own way. I was sent my own way. It was not an act of self-reliance or display of confidence, it was a sad state of affairs which is embarrassing to think about. I am grateful to be able to recognize my past for what it is now. I will play the part of the single participant at this point and speak from that point of view, which is an area that I have a lot of experience in.

I do not blame you two for not putting up with BS, I applaud it. I find myself being the bug in guys' ears lately who are having problems with their significant other, and I question myself. I wonder if I'm not a good person for agreeing with a friend who is thinking about straying from his woman, and I usually end up quiet on the subject after that thought crosses my mind. From what I've seen, this is just my personal point of view and what I believe as far as the very nature of the human being itself, I think men and women mating indefinitely is completely unnatural. I think it's almost wrong. Now, don't get me wrong. There are those "Raggedy Ann and Andy" couples out there that were clearly born for each other and God bless them, enjoy the ride. Cripes, what I thought were the biggest losses in my life were the losses of relationships. I thought I was going to do "forever" with them and that's what I wanted, but when it comes down to it, I still feel that's unnatural. I feel our modern world makes it far, far more difficult than ever to have a true "forever" relationship. I searched for that for years, it was bad. I no longer do, nor do I expect to find that, nor do I care to really.

It's not as if I have had zero chances with women over the last few years, it's that none of them have been any good. What I've realized since taking TRP is, I have zero tolerance for bullshit, which is good! That has kept me out of stupid, pointless relationships, and I am glad now for that. I used to whine about being single, how nobody wanted me, blah blah blah... In actuality I just didn't want them, and I am glad for that. Because women are a huge pain in the arse.

Being MGTOW, I come and go as I please. I buy what I want, I eat what I want when I want, and I answer to nobody. For years I was miserable single, it was killing me. I have been alone for so long now that I've gotten completely accustomed to being that way. As such, on the rare occasions I do hang out with women, it is tiresome, lol. To you guys coming out of a LTR, this would be huge to you. I watch couples interact and it seems like a lot of work to me, and silly sometimes. A lot of charades and little games, ain't nobody got time fo dat. I don't. So I do enjoy myself, but it does get lonely at times. I'm looking to change that obviously and take advantage of my situation, and I do feel my time is coming. It would be a huge change for you both, but from what you guys are posting, you would certainly both be fine. It would be nothing less than an opportunity to improve your own lives.

So this might get a bit off-track here, I swear this does correlate to TRP in some way, at least in my mind. I like Star Wars. It goes without saying that episodes 4, 5, and 6 are the best ever made and always will be, specifically the versions that stupid George Lucas didn't frig up with unrefined early CGI technology. I actually own a VCR for the sole reason of being able to watch Star Wars on VHS without the terrible CGI add-ins. Episodes 1, 2, and 3 you can throw right in the rubbish, and Rogue One was really good. I don't remember if there were others in there, whatever.

So my point in bringing this up is, I rented "The Last Jedi" last night. First of all, it sucked. It was terrible, but the reason I found it awful was more than just "it was a bad movie". I found the entire movie from beginning to end to be an agenda whose intent is to be passed along unnoticed in the form of a movie. Right off the bat, almost all of the main characters are female. It stuck out like a sore thumb. The general, some girl working with Luke, then a bomber pilot, who happens to be an Asian female. Asian females cannot drive a Camry, who is giving them keys to a loaded bomber? It's science fiction, the whole point is to suspend disbelief, but I was seriously distracted by the intentional inordinate amount of women playing big roles in this movie. It's absurd to me. This is movie based mostly on war and combat, and much of it takes place in battle. It just seems farking weird with all these women involved, it doesn't make any sense. The female bomber pilot dies in the opening scene, oh but she has a twin sister who also happens to be in the resistance and is a focal point of the whole rest of the movie. The old female lady general dies, oh but we have another old lady who's going to take over now.

Now, before this comes off as me on a sexist rant, I'm not offended by women. What offends me is Hollywood cramming these women down my throat and disguising it as a movie, of which I am ashamed to have spent money on. It's somebody's message, not a good story or a good movie. It's a celebration of the female sex and how we should all idolize them, how far they've come. Look, even a chunky Asian girl who you have to wait for it to speak before you can tell if it's male or female can have a leading role in Hollywood. With the gender-bending shite that's being smeared everywhere now, it is not a coincidence that a leading role would be played by someone who at first glance you might not be sure which gender they are. I don't put Star Wars on to celebrate women's history and I personally find integration to be as unnatural as marriage. This may get offensive again friends- I have no problem with inter-racial couples and I don't think I would have any issues dating outside of my race, however history has clearly shown that when two cultures collide, they do just that. Very rarely do people of all creeds and colors just fall together and live as one, and I don't know if that fact should be considered such a bad thing.

Now, that being said, there were a lot of different races in this movie as well. I'm not saying I want white men in movies and that's it, but as I'm sitting here watching this crappy movie full of women and unlikely characters, I couldn't help but notice the array of races. A main character, a black man, ends up kissing the aforementioned chunky young Asian girl. Now again, I don't have a problem with inter-racial couples, but this was weird. Again I felt like this is something being crammed down my throat. My bullshit meter was going off, I don't know what else to say. The actors weren't especially attractive in my opinion, and not even specifically because of their race. It seemed like a movie focused on a bunch of nobody's that I'll never care to see in a movie again, a ton of women in roles you wouldn't expect to see them in, and race integration all being force fed.

Again, maybe I'm off my rocker again, but as most already know I don't really watch TV or commercials. I am allergic to bullshit and I cringe at commercials and almost all regular TV shows. I've seen bad movies, some so bad I had to give up on them and I didn't finish them. This was different. This is a huge commercial and programming. This is pushing shite down people's throats. I knew I was watching bullshit the entire time.

I know this likely seems odd, and I know I am odd from time to time, but I truly do think this is nothing more than a big message. It looks to me like a clear sign that the masses are indeed controlled by the media and Hollywood. It might not seem like a big deal to many, but I am a product of these terrible movements, and I am far from the only one.

I am grateful to be able to recognize this and yet again I thank you all for posting.

[Arky-X]

I get what you are putting down. It has come to that off the big screen too.
We need to hire/elect/choose/assign a position to a qualified person.........as long as they are this color, sex, sexual orientation, age, etc. Instead of just getting THE BEST for the job, there is an effort to meet other progressive credentials first.
I haven't seen "The Last Jedi" yet but it sounds like they missed the biggest requirement about the big screen.....the actors have to mesh. The chemistry has to be there or the story doesn't work.




So this might get a bit off-track here, I swear this does correlate to TRP in some way, at least in my mind. I like Star Wars. It goes without saying that episodes 4, 5, and 6 are the best ever made and always will be, specifically the versions that stupid George Lucas didn't frig up with unrefined early CGI technology. I actually own a VCR for the sole reason of being able to watch Star Wars on VHS without the terrible CGI add-ins. Episodes 1, 2, and 3 you can throw right in the rubbish, and Rogue One was really good. I don't remember if there were others in there, whatever.


Star Wars on VHS, huh?
So did Han shoot first?

[6bt]

After my last post, the young lady I referenced came by for an evening. It was Friday and I already had plans to shoot pool with my neighbor Hot Rod Brian, and this girl was guilting me into hanging out. She just wants to come by and hang out, and I've blown her off a lot. This time I said frig it, and I canceled on Brian. She came by and I must say, I felt her to be anything but sister-like. We got more friendly than she should have and I have been reminded of the fire which does still exist inside of me, which is big for me. I question it at times likely because of middle age coming on. The monster is still there indeed, he just lies dormant when unprovoked. It didn't used to be that way, he ran things. This is a good thing for me I believe. I have been known to share many aspects of my life on here which may cause readers to judge, and I understand those who might view me in a certain light for the part I am playing in this particular instance. It is not my first choice, far from it. I was dragged away from relationships kicking and screaming, I was completely reliant on someone else and I thought I'd never been happier in life that way. I wouldn't have changed that for the world if it were up to me, those times tore me apart. I did not want to become the person I am, but fighting it the way I have been was wrong and did not help my situation. I do not want to be "this guy", and I'm working away on that. The young lady I'm talking about loves my attention and has shown nary a sign of regret, and I didn't realize how beautiful she is. It was good for us both but obviously unfortunate to another.

That being said, rather than focus every thought in my head on this person and falling in love with them regardless of their situation as I normally would, I am not thinking about it at all. She is exciting and on my mind, but not a concern. She is a plate, more of which I need to procure.

My buddy Chappy (Trikefest 2016 veteran) came by Saturday evening and dragged me out for the night, which is a feat. I tried to get out of it but he wasn't taking no for an answer. We drank in Norwell on the South Shore, then in Southie, then we closed a late night place in the South End. Yes, these are three different areas. The prospects at the first place were too old and wealthy. At the second place they were too young and millennial. In the third place they were probably the best, but I'm not a huge fan of making moves in loud bars. I don't even like loud bars. If I saw someone I knew I had to hit on, it wouldn't matter where we were, but I didn't see her that night. I did leave my comfort zone just by going out though, and even more so by going out in Boston, and I did enjoy myself. I'd rather approach a woman in other places though honestly, so I didn't feel any guilt for not making any moves that night.

So I seem to be the banner MGTOW in this thread, although I don't feel as though I should take that title because I didn't go my own way. I was sent my own way. It was not an act of self-reliance or display of confidence, it was a sad state of affairs which is embarrassing to think about. I am grateful to be able to recognize my past for what it is now. I will play the part of the single participant at this point and speak from that point of view, which is an area that I have a lot of experience in.

I do not blame you two for not putting up with BS, I applaud it. I find myself being the bug in guys' ears lately who are having problems with their significant other, and I question myself. I wonder if I'm not a good person for agreeing with a friend who is thinking about straying from his woman, and I usually end up quiet on the subject after that thought crosses my mind. From what I've seen, this is just my personal point of view and what I believe as far as the very nature of the human being itself, I think men and women mating indefinitely is completely unnatural. I think it's almost wrong. Now, don't get me wrong. There are those "Raggedy Ann and Andy" couples out there that were clearly born for each other and God bless them, enjoy the ride. Cripes, what I thought were the biggest losses in my life were the losses of relationships. I thought I was going to do "forever" with them and that's what I wanted, but when it comes down to it, I still feel that's unnatural. I feel our modern world makes it far, far more difficult than ever to have a true "forever" relationship. I searched for that for years, it was bad. I no longer do, nor do I expect to find that, nor do I care to really.

It's not as if I have had zero chances with women over the last few years, it's that none of them have been any good. What I've realized since taking TRP is, I have zero tolerance for bullshit, which is good! That has kept me out of stupid, pointless relationships, and I am glad now for that. I used to whine about being single, how nobody wanted me, blah blah blah... In actuality I just didn't want them, and I am glad for that. Because women are a huge pain in the arse.

Being MGTOW, I come and go as I please. I buy what I want, I eat what I want when I want, and I answer to nobody. For years I was miserable single, it was killing me. I have been alone for so long now that I've gotten completely accustomed to being that way. As such, on the rare occasions I do hang out with women, it is tiresome, lol. To you guys coming out of a LTR, this would be huge to you. I watch couples interact and it seems like a lot of work to me, and silly sometimes. A lot of charades and little games, ain't nobody got time fo dat. I don't. So I do enjoy myself, but it does get lonely at times. I'm looking to change that obviously and take advantage of my situation, and I do feel my time is coming. It would be a huge change for you both, but from what you guys are posting, you would certainly both be fine. It would be nothing less than an opportunity to improve your own lives.

So this might get a bit off-track here, I swear this does correlate to TRP in some way, at least in my mind. I like Star Wars. It goes without saying that episodes 4, 5, and 6 are the best ever made and always will be, specifically the versions that stupid George Lucas didn't frig up with unrefined early CGI technology. I actually own a VCR for the sole reason of being able to watch Star Wars on VHS without the terrible CGI add-ins. Episodes 1, 2, and 3 you can throw right in the rubbish, and Rogue One was really good. I don't remember if there were others in there, whatever.

So my point in bringing this up is, I rented "The Last Jedi" last night. First of all, it sucked. It was terrible, but the reason I found it awful was more than just "it was a bad movie". I found the entire movie from beginning to end to be an agenda whose intent is to be passed along unnoticed in the form of a movie. Right off the bat, almost all of the main characters are female. It stuck out like a sore thumb. The general, some girl working with Luke, then a bomber pilot, who happens to be an Asian female. Asian females cannot drive a Camry, who is giving them keys to a loaded bomber? It's science fiction, the whole point is to suspend disbelief, but I was seriously distracted by the intentional inordinate amount of women playing big roles in this movie. It's absurd to me. This is movie based mostly on war and combat, and much of it takes place in battle. It just seems farking weird with all these women involved, it doesn't make any sense. The female bomber pilot dies in the opening scene, oh but she has a twin sister who also happens to be in the resistance and is a focal point of the whole rest of the movie. The old female lady general dies, oh but we have another old lady who's going to take over now.

Now, before this comes off as me on a sexist rant, I'm not offended by women. What offends me is Hollywood cramming these women down my throat and disguising it as a movie, of which I am ashamed to have spent money on. It's somebody's message, not a good story or a good movie. It's a celebration of the female sex and how we should all idolize them, how far they've come. Look, even a chunky Asian girl who you have to wait for it to speak before you can tell if it's male or female can have a leading role in Hollywood. With the gender-bending shite that's being smeared everywhere now, it is not a coincidence that a leading role would be played by someone who at first glance you might not be sure which gender they are. I don't put Star Wars on to celebrate women's history and I personally find integration to be as unnatural as marriage. This may get offensive again friends- I have no problem with inter-racial couples and I don't think I would have any issues dating outside of my race, however history has clearly shown that when two cultures collide, they do just that. Very rarely do people of all creeds and colors just fall together and live as one, and I don't know if that fact should be considered such a bad thing.

Now, that being said, there were a lot of different races in this movie as well. I'm not saying I want white men in movies and that's it, but as I'm sitting here watching this crappy movie full of women and unlikely characters, I couldn't help but notice the array of races. A main character, a black man, ends up kissing the aforementioned chunky young Asian girl. Now again, I don't have a problem with inter-racial couples, but this was weird. Again I felt like this is something being crammed down my throat. My bullshit meter was going off, I don't know what else to say. The actors weren't especially attractive in my opinion, and not even specifically because of their race. It seemed like a movie focused on a bunch of nobody's that I'll never care to see in a movie again, a ton of women in roles you wouldn't expect to see them in, and race integration all being force fed.

Again, maybe I'm off my rocker again, but as most already know I don't really watch TV or commercials. I am allergic to bullshit and I cringe at commercials and almost all regular TV shows. I've seen bad movies, some so bad I had to give up on them and I didn't finish them. This was different. This is a huge commercial and programming. This is pushing shite down people's throats. I knew I was watching bullshit the entire time.

I know this likely seems odd, and I know I am odd from time to time, but I truly do think this is nothing more than a big message. It looks to me like a clear sign that the masses are indeed controlled by the media and Hollywood. It might not seem like a big deal to many, but I am a product of these terrible movements, and I am far from the only one.

I am grateful to be able to recognize this and yet again I thank you all for posting.I hear ya man. I'm guessing I'm a few years younger than you, probably not by much. I have very little trust in anything. Govt, media, people etc. I get my news online and radio. I have 0 use for celebrities..whos screwing who, what new movies are out etc.

I spent a bunch of years alone, in my 20's. I figured out then that happily ever after doesn't exist like in the fairy tails. Looking around, there's not many happy folks in relationships, for long periods of time.

Funny enough, I'm getting married next month, but only to take our relationship to the next step of living together. She's Canadian, I'm from NY. We get along fine. We both ride. Separate finances, no kids or future kids, both of us are bringing assests to the table, but keeping everything separate. As far as I can tell, she's as good as they come, but each of us will walk with what we came with, down the road, if things don't work out. If it doesn't, it's a lifetime of casual dating for me.

I do believe RP/mgtow is the way to go. If your going to play with fire, at least have a fire extinguisher handy.

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[ironchop]

Social engineering in media/entertainment is definitely nothing new.

I only like to watch old sitcoms or PBS and documentaries.

All In the Family
Sanford and son
Maude
What's Happening
The Jefferson's

These all were shows that addressed the social issues of the times which are the same social issues of today however back then, the slant wasn't so one sided....for example, George Jefferson was totally against interracial dating. Fred Sanford was a homophobe in the Piano Movers episode....today only white males are bigots in fictional depictions.

This is brand new thread material, John....so much to cover

Multi-culturalism is never about exposing insulated cultures to other cultures as most Leftist would want you to believe. It's about smearing all cultures together to produce one basturdized culture, a non-culture, that focuses on dumping individual ethnic values in favor of straight up consumerism.

On Star Wars....I also agree except I didn't care for Return of the Jedi after I became an adult. I watched 40 minutes of Phantom Menace and refuse to see any other crappy Lucas ripoffs ever.

The worst part.....is the arrogance and hypocrisy of Hollywood acting like they are "teaching us something" when it was THEM peddling movies without black or female lead roles just as it's THEM all sexually assaulting and harrassing their female co-workers for the most part. Then after they wipe the mud off their faces, they start in with "it's up to us to correct all of Americas bigotry, hate, and sexism because we are the guides of American culture" nonsense. I'll bet 98% of those hacks would fail the test for Humility while scoring off the charts for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

The problem with Progs turning Star Wars into a female empowerment public service announcement is that if the future is so "EQUAL", then why are there still any races of any humans at all?...racial differences are a direct result of discrimination in choices of mating partners and the offspring that this produces. This is genetic in nature, not taught as psuedo-scientific wannabe Progs claim or else after 80 million years of human breeding, we would all be the same color and have the same features. To see it any other way is very ignorant. So that being said, if the Rebel Alliance is so progressive and gender nuetral as implied, then different races would no longer exist either because choosing similar colored folks to mate with is discriminatory by nature just as being anti-gender fluid is bigotry in their eyes.

The irony is lost on Leftists attempting to SHAMELESSLY PANDER to ethnic groups....

But I digressed off the thread topic.....if you want to see the extent of pandering to females and female empowerment, watch ABC on Thursday nights. Four shows in a row of females in positions of power being sold as empowerment. It's sickening to see such pandering while the behavior of almost ALL of these female characters in highly professional fields is unprofessional at best and outright neurotic and illegal at worst. Stuff men would get fired for is considered acceptable and admirable in a female character. Shonda Rhimes has done more damage to women's empowerment AND racial empowerment than Ward Cleaver or Archie Bunker ever did and yet this is also lost in it's intended audience.

John, this could be a whole new thread for sure


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This commercial grabbed my attention while it was playing in the background while I was wrenching last night in the garage. I instantly hit the rewind on the TV box to be sure my ears did not deceive me. I had a good long gut laugh at it. Please watch and discuss. Oh, BTW, how many women have MotoGP titles - like ever in the history of motor racing? This crap is silly at best, yet gives females the ideas that are just not realistic. Basically they are pushing ideas on to the naive without an ounce knowledge about subjects they don't really even care about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-inWjddSrs

[Arky-X]

This commercial grabbed my attention while it was playing in the background while I was wrenching last night in the garage. I instantly hit the rewind on the TV box to be sure my ears did not deceive me. I had a good long gut laugh at it. Please watch and discuss. Oh, BTW, how many women have MotoGP titles - like ever in the history of motor racing? This crap is silly at best, yet gives females the ideas that are just not realistic. Basically they are pushing ideas on to the naive without an ounce knowledge about subjects they don't really even care about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-inWjddSrs

Rolling my eyes on that one......see Danica Patrick. If she were a man, she would have been searching for a NASCAR ride years ago.

I once had a Danica Patrick t-shirt. It tore up in the wash after one cycle.

[ironchop]

This commercial grabbed my attention while it was playing in the background while I was wrenching last night in the garage. I instantly hit the rewind on the TV box to be sure my ears did not deceive me. I had a good long gut laugh at it. Please watch and discuss. Oh, BTW, how many women have MotoGP titles - like ever in the history of motor racing? This crap is silly at best, yet gives females the ideas that are just not realistic. Basically they are pushing ideas on to the naive without an ounce knowledge about subjects they don't really even care about.


You know Tim, a female athlete in any predominantly male sport is always better than the male champions of those sports...because Revlon said so.

Semi-success from the oppressed class is the same thing as championships won by male priveledge (sarcasm)

#waronwomen is another questionable thing.....I guess I wasn't ever invited to The Boys Club where men go to vote on how to oppress da wimmens and donate money toward teaching sandwich making and vacuuming to "at risk" teen girls. Guess I'm not worthy of being a sexist and yet it's assumed that my penis guarantees that I am one. This isn't the 1950s. Move on.

I got threatened with being kicked off Instagram for a minute once for mocking #girlsrideout which was nothing more than a marketing ploy by certain motorcycle accessories manufacturers to sell helmets and gloves to female riders. The part I was mocking was that these pop-up girl mc clubs were going on these rides "because it's all about the open road and nothing else" and yet they dragged along professional videographers and photographers to take professional shots of these "empowered women bikers" all decked out in makeup, high fashion "biker" gear, and with flowing hair not tied up (a real biker knows why this is physically impossible for longer than three minutes). The rest of the shots were ALL selfies, of course, and most of them were shot literally every time they stopped riding long enough to grab their cellphones

In other words.....fake women bikers selling "empowerment" does nothing but derail all the efforts of all the real women before them.

Funny thing is that in the cruiser and Harley community, REAL women bikers have been riding their own machines for like over 70 frickin years......without makeup.....without bedazzled jeans and $900 Italian boots.....without photographers to post their status pics up on IG or FB while they "stand on the seat" like Larry Desmedt or "just like the boys"....without any need for any recognition....And you know what? They got respected. Nobody gave a damn about their gender. (Yes some 1%er MCs have issues and girls can't be full patchholders or vote club stuff but rather run "property of" rockers but this is nowhere near the norm everywhere else in the community)....fake women being fake bikers selling fake empowerment and helmets from Biltwell. How cute. That's not empowering at all

They do the same with Danica Patrick. They (media in general especially commercials) never cared about the female drivers who weren't very pretty but you put a hot chick in a car and OMG it's all about #girlpower all of the sudden. Fake.

I'm surprised women don't see right thru this crap and speak out about it.....or "open up" about it as they like to say
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It's a "You Go Girl" world, and you are spot on - all this crap takes away from the actual tough women who can ride, or race, or be professional athletes. BTW - when will the LPGA start protesting because their Tee Blocks are 50 yards in front of the mens? Equality for all (unless it puts women at a disadvantage). I just constantly have to ask myself, what is driving these ridiculous movements, and what is their end game? Makes a man wonder.........................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJpz5L2gBXE

[ironchop]

Yeah if Regina blows my doors off on her Tri-Z, I'm going to respect Regina's skills as a trike racer over mine, gender is irrelevant. Regina was faster than me, period. I won't be any more disappointed in my loss because she's a woman and neither will I be more impressed by her achievement because she's a woman. I'm also not going to pity her if she loses because she's "forced to compete in a man's world".... saying that sort of thing implies victimhood and excuses failure and in essence, is sexist.

I want to meet the men who these people like to say are "threatened by women encroaching on their territory". A handful of men who are insecure about being beaten by a girl does not represent the entirety of all males. Being threatened by a gender is just an excuse to feel threatened by anything, really, and if girls bother you then chances are, you'll feel threatened by failure of any kind no matter the details or the gender of the person who dominated you.

"...In a man's world" is nonsense in this day and age.


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I would bet 100% of my friends and family (men) would 100% agree with your statement Ironchop. I don't know any men either who are threatened by women encroaching on their territory either. It's a fictional talking point that some feminist made up because she didn't want to put in the work to get the promotion. I encourage women to race trikes, always have, always will. Again, it's the stinky "victim mentality" that is being taught through media, at schools, and by "victim mentality" single mothers raising fatherless children. Not that it is all the single mother's fault, but at least 50% of the fault lies with her. And all of societies "safety nets" are rewarding these "victims" because negative actions do not have negative consequences in this "you go girl" world we live in. It's sickening that people who hav emade good choices in life are stuck footing the bill for those who made poor choices in life. And this is what we get when "gender politics" becomes a major issue in society. We reap what we sow!

[83ATC185]

I can't think of any man i know that doesn't want a woman that's self made, successful, and independent. I just had this conversation the other day, about the commercials and the advertisements and tv shows copying and pasting women into places they never would be.
Oh yeah every woman and girl i know sits and talks with her friends about the the differences in rear end gearing in a square body chevy. :rolleyes:

How about a society that teaches women how to be successful by doing what they're good at instead of making up what they want to be and playing the victim until someone makes it happen for them. Hows that for empowering?

I don't know a thing about cross stitching, embroidering, makeup, interior decorating or anything like that and i'm ok with that. I don't feel like less of a person because i don't know. So where are women getting the sense of empowerment from doing "guy stuff?"

All this sucks for the poor trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro that gets home to find his hot rod torn apart because little oppressed Sally wanted to feel empowered by doing something she has no interest in or knowledge of.

[ironchop]

Yeah I have NEVER met a female machinist. Ever. Since 1989 and in several different cities. I have met a couple female welders and lots of female machine operators in factories but women don't tend to gravitate towards the skilled trade of machining. I'm not sure why because machining is really more about math, spatial ability, and problem solving than brute strength....as a matter of fact, safety rules today prevent even the men from having to lift more than 40lbs without mechanical assistance in this field.

We don't sit around and oppress women or prevent them from being educated or hired. They just don't seem to be interested in this field

The trouble is that these trades are all lumped into that whole "men make way more than women for the same job" stuff. Any employee on the factory floor is all ranked equally and therefore when the salary average is thereby skewed in favor of men with any context, it's reported as discrimination without any consideration of the fact that those higher salaries are skilled tradesmen and women typically do not CHOOSE those positions. I've seen alot of female construction labororers but never female Carpenters, roofers, plumbers, drywall techs, etc. And yet , when the salaries are figured in "construction trades" as a whole, it appears that women make less than men because the skilled tradesmen do indeed make more......because skills.

I've managed both construction and production manufacturing. We paid all employees in unskilled positions with similar work ethic and similar attendance the very same amount. Gender didn't matter. Merit matters but gender didn't. Did some of my female employees make more than male counterparts? Yes. Merit.

Paying two separate genders exactly the same no matter what, throws merit out the window. You know what happens when two people make the same money no matter how terrible one of them is at their job? People stop performing. Now you have two F@#kups instead of one.

My oldest daughter wants to quit teaching for this very reason. She's won awards for Teacher of the Year in both her school and her district and yet the "lazy and worthless teachers who don't care" in her own words, "make the same as I do so I don't know why I'm even trying so hard"......very sad but very true and also another reason why Socialism doesn't work. Three lazy do-nothings get the same things provided to them as six outstanding and productive people so after a time, all nine decide to work as little as possible to get by because Ivan gets the same size loaf of bread that Dimitri gets so why would Dimitri work any harder than Ivan? I had this issue when I was a union carpenter. No reason to outshine and thereby alienate your coworkers because your check is the same as theirs and now everyone hates you because you made them look bad. No thanks. I'll stick with mediocrity.

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Yeah if Regina blows my doors off on her Tri-Z, I'm going to respect Regina's skills as a trike racer over mine, gender is irrelevant. Regina was faster than me, period. I won't be any more disappointed in my loss because she's a woman and neither will I be more impressed by her achievement because she's a woman. I'm also not going to pity her if she loses because she's "forced to compete in a man's world".... saying that sort of thing implies victimhood and excuses failure and in essence, is sexist.

I want to meet the men who these people like to say are "threatened by women encroaching on their territory". A handful of men who are insecure about being beaten by a girl does not represent the entirety of all males. Being threatened by a gender is just an excuse to feel threatened by anything, really, and if girls bother you then chances are, you'll feel threatened by failure of any kind no matter the details or the gender of the person who dominated you.

"...In a man's world" is nonsense in this day and age.


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We had a "Regina" at a local dirt track. She didn't win a lot and there were definitely more dominant drivers than "Regina" but you didn't F with "Regina" and everyone knew that. Wasn't much to look at (ugly as sin is a term I've heard before) but she earned respect. She didn't have sponsors knocking on her door either but you have to watch how this is turned against us. The reason she isn't climbing up the ranks like Danica is because us sexist men don't think she's pretty. It's men's fault for creating this image.....not Hollywood where T&A is all over the place.....not the news stations who only put the eye candy on the air as news anchors who show leg and cleavage....not NASCAR who only wants those that have a Danica-look.....it's men running these institutions so it must be our fault.

Mentioned above already, we celebrate mediocrity with the oppressed. Danica overcame adversity and scored a top-15 today. What adversity is that? Being a woman?
(Do I have a Danica fetish?)

My daughter is about to embark on her college career in Engineering. All I hear is, "Good, we need more women engineers."
What? We do?
I'm an engineer and no time in my career have I sat around saying, "This would be a better place if we had more women engineers." We need good engineers regardless if they have an innie or an outie.
But as soon as there is a woman or minority in a field, let's celebrate for them breaking through! Breaking through what? Some mythical wall created?
We are fed that we need to make conscientious efforts to "include" those in these type fields. And then we are supposed to celebrate them breaking down that barrier?
Did they make it on their own skills and credentials or were we forced into it? Where is the accomplishment?

My daughter knows how I feel as does my wife. They agree that you make your own way based on your merits and accomplishments. Not some made up participation award or privilege point system.

Privilege points in our modern educayshun system......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

[Arky-X]

Just read ironchop's post and for the record.....we are not the same person or related.......

[big specht]

My daughter knows how I feel as does my wife. They agree that you make your own way based on your merits and accomplishments. Not some made up participation award or privilege point system.

Privilege points in our modern educayshun system......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

I second that statement ! Participation trophy's are what screwing these kids up some one has to be a loser!

[ironchop]

Oprah Winfrey would have been the Emperor of the Universe were it not for white priveledge and male domination and oppresion

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[fabiodriven]

I am doing well. I don't want to turn this into Fabio's blog on dames, but I did really well today. I interacted with multiple women today and I was on my game. I left the house dressed to kill and freshly groomed. Basically I looked good and I knew it, and I could tell the people I was interacting with thought so as well.

I approached someone I've had my eye on for a long time today. Before I made my approach, I wondered what I was going to end up posting here this evening, lol. Well I didn't get a number unfortunately, however the interaction itself was a great experience. This girl is really cool and although she is currently dating another woman (no BS), it was pretty clear that she was very flattered by my approach. She definitely found me attractive, I didn't need her to tell me that, but she did indicate she thought so without directly saying it. It was awesome for me to see someone who I find so attractive melt like that as a reaction to me approaching them.

This is a great success for me regardless of how insignificant it may seem. I don't even want to think about where I've come from, you guys are aware. I wouldn't have had any of the interactions I did today if it weren't for TRP. Also, now that this young lady and I are associated, there is nothing saying that this person couldn't still become a plate at some point. If you have an imagination like mine, then you already know the potential this particular situation could possibly present.

Great posts guys and thanks so much.

[fabiodriven]

I want to say that things are completely different for me since this thread started. I have so much more confidence than I used to due to what this thread has taught me. My physical appearance I feel is coming along quite well and as I've said already I dress to impress. My value has skyrocketed both physically and mentally.

What made me want to post today is the very obvious effect I have many times with females. I was most times the guy who would stammer or just appear uncomfortable in general when approaching someone in the past. From this thread and all the information provided by you all, I am no longer the one stammering. Now the women I encounter are the ones stammering. I stopped at a convenience store today and when it was my turn the girl behind the counter asked "Is there anything else I can get for you?" That was the first thing she said, I hadn't gotten anything yet, haha. We laughed and joked about it. Perhaps she honestly mis-spoke and she might have said that to anyone, but I know the look I was giving her, the thought I was projecting, and I was looking right at her. A similar presentation on my part has netted similar results on more than one occasion now. This girl was no sa-mokeshow, but she's worth a little effort. I feel she'd be an acceptable plate. It's easy for me to recognize these occurances as being the result of what I've recently learned because I traditionally do not get these kinds of reactions from women, but SPECIFICALLY in our very first interaction. Traditionally I will "work" a girl and try to get to know them a bit first, which as we know, is wrong. I have always done cold approaches but rarely succeeded in getting numbers.

I mentioned my female friend a couple of times who shouldn't be coming by. She started being a pain in the arse and acting like a woman (go figure), and I gave zero frigs. It was awesome because I didn't want to give a frig, but in the past I would have given a frig even though I didn't want to, which would have just made the entire situation worse. She started trying to guilt for attention and wanted to come over again, I was like OK this is too much, you're cut off. Once I took the upper hand and made the call she tried to act like she wasn't as interested as she was acting the evening before. She was either genuinely interested or she was acting in an attempt to garner attention, either way she can get frigged. I have zero time for bullshit.

Progress my friends.

[atctim]

Great to hear about the progress Fabio! I'll bet the girl you mention who you have basically blown off will get all hot for you now. Her hamster will be spinning wondering why she is not your object of affection. Keep on keeping on brother - it becomes so easy when you know all the mechanics behind it. Boy do I wish I had this knowledge 25 years ago!

[ironchop]

....I'll bet the girl you mention who you have basically blown off will get all hot for you now. Her hamster will be spinning wondering why she is not your object of affection....!Hopefully porkchop's ex who's now friend-zoned him won't do the same. He's moving to Columbia TN today to stay with family and try to get his life, post-hooker, back in order. I'd like him to grow a backbone for awhile before she starts in with her needy-assed yo-yo games again. It's only a two hour drive for him back here, but at the moment he's relying on someone else for his transportation until he gets his first few checks at his new job (that he's already secured) saved up.

Hopefully he'll chop that monkey branch off soon. Cross our fingers

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[OTAlucard]

I just wanted to say. I've been talking about TRP and how women act to 90% female audiences

And I've discovered that there's two groups. One group tells you to shut up and start calling you names and they get really mad. <because they know it's true>

The other group chuckles and says all of it's true and they'll tell you most women are like that.

[fabiodriven]

Chop you've got your hands full with Pork Chop. I know because I was just like him. I went back for a second helping of suffering against the wishes of everyone who knew me. We all knew where it was heading, but I was hell bent on making it work. It was wrong and everyone knew it, and also this was around the time I had really started to get into the law of attraction as well as quantum physics. During our second attempt at dating, the universe was giving me clear, glaring signs that what I was trying to do was wrong. I had failed a test when approached by the ex about trying again. It was my choice to make, but the universe was telling me loud and clear I had chosen incorrectly. Regardless of all that, I still invested everything I had into "us" a second time. That's the power we're dealing with here and it is extremely difficult to overcome initially, but it can actually end up being used to one's own advantage once said person accepts what they are and educates themselves as well as increases their own value. This is what I have learned. You guys saw very well where I have come from, and it's taken nothing more than a collection of the right words being inserted into my brain to correct things for me in this department.

That being said, I'm also a 38 year old man. I'm balding and my beard has white whiskers, and with that has come a bit more patience than I had previous as well as some wisdom. Only a true fool would claim to be totally wise, we should all learn things every day. I can tell you that if my father tried to tell me things of this nature when I was Pork Chop's age, I'd have likely walked away from him. There was a time in my life when there were certain circumstances that nobody could tell me anything about, and my guard was very high as far as how much relationship input I'd take from anyone. She was what mattered and nothing else. That's a very high pedestal to topple. I don't have kids so I don't have much advice for you but it sounds like you're handling it piece by piece. I'd say that sounds like a good idea.

So it was shopping day again today. Very few dames today, a lot of old people were shopping. I also learned not to go to Walmart between 12-12:30. I was hoping to bump into my lesbian plate hopeful and see what happened, but she was at lunch. And no, I didn't ask anyone where she was, lol. I caught some chatter on the Walmart radio comms as an employee passed me. They should look into coding. It be what it be.

On a different note, I got hit on! I don't get hit on, like ever. It doesn't happen. A tiny chick got in line behind me and had to comment on the brand of Boston bar pizza I was buying (all you people eat shite with sauce and call it pizza). I like tiny, but that was about all she had going for her, lol. She wasn't for me. It was a good topic of her to choose though because I immediately retorted when she suggested the shite brand pizza I should have bought. I have bought the brand she likes and it sucks, so I spoke right up. Well that opened the door for conversation and she started saying all kinds of stuff. In under 3 minutes I knew she wanted me to ask her out and I knew her age, and I didn't aim to attract her nor did I ask her age, so that was cool at least.

[ironchop]

I just wanted to say. I've been talking about TRP and how women act to 90% female audiences

And I've discovered that there's two groups. One group tells you to shut up and start calling you names and they get really mad. <because they know it's true>

The other group chuckles and says all of it's true and they'll tell you most women are like that.

Deonna is in the second and smaller group. We were discussing this last weekend. She also mentioned that we were friends first before we dated and those odd circumstances were exactly why she was less prone to resort to her usual 'game'

We met on an adoptee search board way back in1999. Her mother had a son she put up for adoption in April of 1971 and I was born and adopted in April of 1971. Exact same city but turned out to be different hospitals. It took months to sort out the truth, so naturally we were NOT sexually attracted to each other initially. Never crossed our minds, frankly. It would have been more than just gross to be sexually attracted to your sibling so that's how I can safely claim there was no sexual tension.

Anyway, we became fast friends for about a year before it was determined we had no genetic relationship whatsoever confirmed by DNA testing. We used to tell each other secrets about the opposite sex and she was quite a good 'wingman' for me numerous times. She got me laid more than my buddies ever did. She also was technically the first person to RedPill me, to an extent, about female guile and how to recognize friend-zones, backup plans, and how to avoid both by changing my own personality characteristics.

After about a year and a half and her second divorce in the middle of that period, she claims she came on to me numerous times and I blew her off seeing as that she had previously warned me on how to avoid 'reading more into a woman's actions than I should'. Eventually she went full blunt and pretty much asked me out. Sex was/still is awesome, though a bit tamer, after 17 plus years but after a few months, we began to fight.

The issue was that she had taught me almost the whole Female Playbook when we were friends and I was also coming off getting burnt HARD by my daughter's mother and also had a couple other women playing games with my head in order to keep me as a backup plan or to get favors. Now, her game plan that she'd relied on since puberty was in ruins and I was a giant incorrigible dick that wasn't playing along. Not even compromising. Just throwing up walls whenever and wherever. She had no idea which way to go with it and my distrust of females was ruining whatever was left. I got shyte-tested ALOT during this run. I moved out of her house a couple times and we quit speaking for a couple of good spells until she figured out I wasn't in the business of controlling my dates because I like women who don't need prompting or instructions because who wants to date an adult child? She also figured out that I didn't give a damn how hot she was(really hot....got Hater-ade from my friends) I wasn't into games or manipulation and I have boundaries that will be respected. Nobody likes a pissed off Taurus male.

Anyway she credits this for why we've lasted this long and why she respects me above any other man she knows, including her paternal figureheads. She says we probably would have lasted a couple or three years had we been initially attracted to each other and had she and I both not revealed the trade secrets of the opposite sex to each other very early on. She claims it actually kept the games to a minimum and that she understands me much easier because of it and I would have to agree whereas she is concerned too. We started out as two totally different people and have grown to be so very similar and almost always on the same page about everything except how to deal with the kids and personal food preferences.

She still shyte tests me and I still block her like a Champ but it's very rare and she's not very committed to the attempt so its all very short-lived.

She also said Monday night after we drove Pork to Tennessee that we needed to both RedPill him so that this hopefully never happens again. We have differing opinions about his ex....I call her a Demon Slut from Hades and she says that she thinks she's just a manipulative and immature little girl and that she understands her more than I do because she said she was just like her at that age.....and "Doug, you wouldn't have liked me for very long back in those days" ....I believe her too lol

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[OTAlucard]

Seems like you have a very strong bond with your significant other I think that's a very good thing to have with somebody .

It's hard for women not to crap test guys and talk irrational. I always thought it would be amazing to have a girlfriend that talked to me like a normal person. but most of the time if she isn't mad she doesn't care about the relationship sadly. Only girls who care lash out and act crazy. In a modern relationship



I am glad to hear your son got out of that toxic relationship.
I think that it's sad that She was so messed up. But that's how younger people are today :(

On a side note. My friend called me after around 2 years last month. I really adore this person. Probably the only girl I've ever loved out of 20 or 30 people that I've met in the past.

Right away she started with lies. Trying to say she was going to have me investigated.
Then she started talking to people on my Facebook about me. Asking them if I've ever said anything vulgar or bad.

So I called her on video messenger to show her that I was real. And she responded with. "You do care"
Then she told me about a week later that she was lying. And nobody was going to come investigate me.

So I ended up calling her mother and letting her know that her daughter was going to have a breakdown.
Well she ended up having a breakdown a few days after that.

This girl is in a relationship thats not so great supposedly and what she's doing is using me to feel good. And it's releasing chemicals in her brain to feel better then she goes right back to the shitty relationship. It's sad. So now. I have to tell her that we can't talk anymore because she's now using me as a crutch because she calls me when her boyfriend says something bad to her and she is crying. Just to hear my voice then hangs up. I can't be her Private Idaho

[ironchop]

I am glad to hear your son got out of that toxic relationship.


Well his ex-gf is long out of the relationship lol BUT I wouldn't say he was out just yet.

I like to say he's "geographically disadvantaged" right now.

I suspect he may have taken off to live in Tennessee as a way to force her hand so she'll ask him to stay as a way to show he still has a chance. She didn't. Hopefully he gets the hint and moves on rather quickly.

As for your side note.......WOW. What a mess of a woman. She's monkey branching you, for sure.

The old me was attracted to crazy women as a preference it seemed. They're alot more animated and fun to be with especially in the sack and I was stuck on being a White Knight. In reality I was blind or lying to myself to think I could take them and make them normal, loyal, or dependable.

Nowadays, I like basic beotches who are dependable, independent, and intelligent

And have a damn job


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[atctim]

Nowadays, I like basic beotches who are dependable, independent, and intelligent

And have a damn job



And this is what so many men miss! They see a sexual creature that they lust after and white knight at any given chance. I find myself much more attracted to an average looking woman who has it together. It's pretty hard to have a relationship with a woman who needs the guidance of a child at every turn.

Great quote good sir!

[ditchmud]

Just a check-in. It’s been a little over a month since I began this transformation and in reflection I see that it’s been positive. I make decisions that I want not decisions that I think she would like. I would say that I’m still a work in progress and I am slowly re-reading the book that Tim suggested for me. I’ve been married for 27 years now and I cannot believe how wrong I acted all that time. My behaviors were my biggest enemy for my relationship happiness. Nearly all of the things I’d learnt until now about being in a relationship were wrong. Since I’ve modified my behavior 2 things have happened: 1 my wife is more about pleasing me and is essentially the woman I wanted when I married her.
2 I am much happier and don’t feel used anymore. So i know it’s only been a month but I believe that the results have been life changing.

[ironchop]

..... I would say that I’m still a work in progress .....

We ALL are.

Matter of fact, the minute I get complacent it starts going south again. You can't ever stop leading.

We are all roughly the same age so this has been ingrained in our personalities and it's hard to re-wire ourselves

I'm glad to hear you're seeing improvements and are happier because of it.

One of my problems was that everything that was bothering her, and by extension, her little sister, I thought it was my duty to fix. After I noticed that I had very little personal drama affecting my mood and that most of my drama was actually their drama, I became resentful of them because of how much "their problems were dragging me down". I was mad that they didn't get their stuff in order so that this doesn't happen to "both of us".

Took me a very long time to understand that I couldn't make her happy and neither was it my responsibility to do so. I can lend my support but it's not my issue to tackle. Every time I start slipping, I visualize a giant switch inside my head that's labeled "Not My Problem" and I flip that sucker on.

I'm not saying I ignore her feelings when's she's down, I just don't cater to them or attempt to do things to try to pull her out of it outside of telling her to "shake it off" and reminding her that she's stronger than her demons. I do not adjust my behavior or schedule for things that are just run-of-the-mill ups and downs....I've noticed that initially, she gets mad or hurt because it appears I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn, it's just that I know I can't help her in those situations and trying to will just make two depressed people instead of one. After a short period of time and some foot-stomping and deep sighing and perhaps a trip away to stay with family, she'll pull herself up much faster than when I stroked her bruised ego and waited for her to feel better (which only reinforces her feelings of depression rather than easing them).

She has the same problem with trying to take on other family members drama or our dramatic children's issues. She asked me how I'm dealing with it and I told her about the switch and the first thing she says is "I'm not made that way. I can't do that" and my reply was ""I wasn't made that way either and neither could I do that but I trained myself and I'm all the more happier"

There's a difference between empathy and co-dependency. I still empathize but I don't take on things that I can't change or patch up. I still help where I can because I love her silly self BUT I've learned what my limitations are and I behave accordingly.



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[atctim]

Field Report: I try to hold the old lady accountable for all of her "inconsistencies" with her kids. Kids need structure, and when mom can't get it together enough to get them on a schedule, the kids suffer. I do not want this for the kids. Three nights ago, the kids did not go to bed on time, and so they were told the next night they would have to go to bed early to make up for it. I happened to be out of town for work the next day and I was not there to enforce the law she laid down on early bedtime. I called her and asked if they were put to bed early. She said no and her reason was "because life happened." OK - fine, so I would be home the following night to be sure it happened. She had the kids out with their friends and did not get home until about 45 minutes until bed time. As I saw her and the kids outside when they got home, I stuck my head out the door to have the kids get showers pre-bedtime. No help from her really, as they were playing with and feeding their baby ducks. As all 3 kids got showered, they had about 5 minutes before bed. The neighbor left and she came in as I was directing the children to go brush their teeth and get in bed. She then pipes up - they haven't had dinner yet. I was confused as the kids were at their friends house from after school until now after 8pm - and no one fed them supper. I asked why they were not fed, and she got all defensive and nasty with me. I simply stated to her that feeding and playing with the ducks should not be priority over making the kids their supper and getting them to bed. She went off and got crazy mad at me (deflecting responsibility). As I got up to retreat to my garage (my go to when she gets crazy) I told her she was being irresponsible and the kids should have meals before bedtime. She then turned the blame on me because I never look after them for meals, which is complete BS. After the kids were in bed I returned to the house and she asked me why I was being short with her. I told her because when I pointed out her bad behavior, she justified it by deflecting blame back to me. I told her why I had to retreat - because she was crazy mad at me for pointing out her shortcomings. Again - she points it back on me. At that point I moved on and forgot about it as her hamster is strong. Even after calmly reviewing all that was said and done, she could not accept blame for her shortcomings - even though I was the one trying to get the kids ready for bed. It goes to show that most women, even when facts are placed right in their face from a scenario that happened 30 minutes prior, will not accept responsibility. This morning she was sweet as can be to me like nothing ever happened. Dog gone it I hate the Hamster! I will not bring it up again and will treat it with amused mastery should it be ever brought up again. Struggles are real gentlemen.

[ditchmud]

I can relate with your last post Tim.
Last week I came home from work with a friend. He came over to buy my motorcycle lift and I was helping him load it up. The kids had an honor roll ceremony that morning and I thought that it was at 8:30am but I was wrong it was at 8am. My wife came out in the garage and went off on me because I wasn’t ready to go. I explained that I thought it was at 8:30 and she got very rude and embarrassed me in front of my buddy and made him feel pretty awkward as well. I let it go at that time but later that evening when she asked me why I had an attitude towards her I told her that I didn’t like her talking to me like I was a child and I didn’t like that she did it in front of my friend and that she owed me an apology. Her response was “you deserved that! You do it all the time to me” which is just bullshit. That’s her hamster spinning the blame onto me instead of accepting her guilt and apologizing. Even if I did do that to her (which I don’t) it doesn’t mean it’s a free pass to copy my behavior. Two wrongs don’t make it right! I told her that and walked away.

[ironchop]

I can relate with your last post Tim.
Last week I came home from work with a friend. He came over to buy my motorcycle lift and I was helping him load it up. The kids had an honor roll ceremony that morning and I thought that it was at 8:30am but I was wrong it was at 8am. My wife came out in the garage and went off on me because I wasn’t ready to go. I explained that I thought it was at 8:30 and she got very rude and embarrassed me in front of my buddy and made him feel pretty awkward as well. I let it go at that time but later that evening when she asked me why I had an attitude towards her I told her that I didn’t like her talking to me like I was a child and I didn’t like that she did it in front of my friend and that she owed me an apology. Her response was “you deserved that! You do it all the time to me” which is just bullshit. That’s her hamster spinning the blame onto me instead of accepting her guilt and apologizing. Even if I did do that to her (which I don’t) it doesn’t mean it’s a free pass to copy my behavior. Two wrongs don’t make it right! I told her that and walked away.Ha! You're a better man than I. My response is to immediately return the favor and embarrass her just the same with an even more condescending tone. She hasn't pulled that stunt in a long time since.

I think I said "Shut your pie-hole and walk away" the last time [emoji23]

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[ironchop]

Well......here we go. Boys aren't allowed to have anything to themselves anymore.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/us/boy-scouts-name-trnd/index.html

So Girl Scouts is apparently upset about the BSA letting girls join.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/how-will-the-boy-scouts-decision-affect-the-girl-scouts/543204/
Imagine if the BSA had acted the same as the GSA just did.....another double standard... "because girls need single gender safe spaces".....but boys don't deserve the same.

HOW PATHETIC!

Probably afraid to give up that cookie income

I say we eliminate them both and just make it Scouts for BOTH groups. I WILL vote with my dollars and stop buying cookies from one group and popcorn from the other. I'm over it completely. Not one more dime of my money will go to either organization ever again and I usually was good for $200 a year to those two groups.
[emoji243][emoji90]

Organizations are basically teaching kids to NOT stand up for what you believe in first of all, and that you should bend to pressure from an irrational mob bent on destroying everything that hurts their feelings regardless of your mission statement or intent. I wonder if they'll adopt 76 different genders to choose from like Facecrook has.



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[El Camexican]

Mixed Scouts would last till the first little girl earned her “Train” badge at the annual camp over.

[fabiodriven]

My outlook on the future is, with the current decline of intelligence, no willingness to stand up for oneself, and strong males being fewer and farther between, I'll be like a rock star compared to all the spineless people out there. Let them dumb down and I'll continue to rise, and I will reap the benefits.

Just now I'm out on the street trike and I caught myself thinking about my friend mentioned earlier in this thread, Betamax. He used to be my street riding buddy. I started to feel sympathy but it was fleeting. I thought about his awful self-depraving tendencies and I'm comfortable with the distance I have from that now.

Reserve sympathy for those who deserve it. The lambs who willingly line themselves up for the slaughter had a choice to make. If that's what they want to do then God bless them.

[ironchop]

My outlook on the future is, with the current decline of intelligence, no willingness to stand up for oneself, and strong males being fewer and farther between, I'll be like a rock star compared to all the spineless people out there. Let them dumb down and I'll continue to rise, and I will reap the benefits.

Just now I'm out on the street trike and I caught myself thinking about my friend mentioned earlier in this thread, Betamax. I started to feel sympathy but it was fleeting. I thought about his awful self-depraving tendencies and I'm comfortable with the distance I have from that now.

Reserve sympathy for those who deserve it. The lambs who willingly line themselves up for the slaughter had a choice to make. If that's what they want to do then God bless them.I'll agree with you to a point

And that point is where the Betas are now in a position to start teaching young men and boys Beta traits. That's where we need to intervene or refuse to support any of that nonsense whatsoever. I will attempt to RedPill every young man I see that needs it and in the meantime, BSA and GSUSA can send their youth salespeople elsewhere. Sickens me anyway knowing kids are basically holding up good-hearted people to buy snacks off them in order to pay the salaries for the Sickness that is now these organizations leadership and executives.

It's sad because today I told one of my greatest friends that I can no longer, in good conscience, buy any more popcorn or cookies off either of his kids. I feel like I'm letting down those two great kids but if we don't put a stop to this now, BSA will stand for Beta-sexuals of America and the abortion conditioning of the "girl power" GSUSA will continue to push abortion rather than sexual responsibility and teach young girls that they are more special, superior to, and more equal than boys. Modern Feminism stopped being about empowering and helping women become equal in social class and status long ago and started being all about placing women and girls above men and boys rather than equal to. Instead of balancing the scales, the Left is bent on inverting them both racially and sexually speaking. Ultimately, power over the people they have long seethed about and resented is the new goal line.

I'm not threatened by equality, but I will not stand being made a second class citizen and scapegoat for the utter failure of a particular demographic for any reason. PC culture can go blow itself.

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[ironchop]

I remember when girls sued the BSA in the eighties for the right to join just like they did in every male-only club, school, or organization or Military Academy.

I'm absolutely floored to see them now going back on this proggressive stance mostly because it threatens their own membership (meaning $$$$$). They even sounded resentful that the BSA "suddenly adopted a progressive stance on gender fluidity" and seem unhappy unless someone was forced to adopt the same stance. Then they go on to claim that the girls require a girl's only atmosphere or "safe space" (puke) in order to thrive whereas boys do not.

They want gender fluidity but on their terms only where boys and girls are equal but girls are special and deserve more attention and consideration than boys. Girls are equal to boys, but boys are not equal to girls [emoji848] ?!?!?

Having your cake and eating it too...then halfway thru your cake, you just throw it in the trash because it's not the flavor you wanted after all. They sound like little children to me. Little selfish children who are in charge of shaping actual, and impressionable children....this is dangerous at best

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[fabiodriven]

I agree with you totally Doug. If someone is willing to be taught, I will help them with what I know. I can at least point someone in the right direction and get them started where I began, but ultimately it is up to the student whether or not they are interested in thinking about how they're wired currently and who it is exactly that designed that wiring. Any way you slice it though, ultimately I'll help anyone who's interested. I don't waste anyone's time with people who are not.

[Arky-X]

Mixed Scouts would last till the first little girl earned her “Train” badge at the annual camp over.

Of course it would be blamed on all the boys running the train even though little Susie was more than willing to earn her badge to get her Spread Eagle Scout status.

I got kicked out of the Boy Scouts. Got caught eating out a Brownie.

[schlepp29]

Lmao! Sorry but that's just funny. But that's the dang truth!

[ironchop]

So young Chop has been doing well in Tennessee and I think he's finally starting to understand the problem with the girl and where he is responsible for it.

Meanwhile, I have found a clever way to RedPill him.....I show him videos of young and attractive women speaking on the multi-faceted RedPill/Masculinity issues as well as geopolitical and it keeps his full attention for hours on end or until my phone dies.....this may be useful to other guys who "live for women". Perhaps if a woman tells them it's ok and desirable to be masculine and confident, they just might listen more intently....the fact that some of these girls are also from other countries, helps drive home the idea that this is not an exclusively American problem at all, but rather a coordinated push by third wave Feminazis the world over to wreck what it means to be a man.

So this is my new approach toward opening a line of communication with my son and it seems to have grabbed his attention quite well

On the flip-side, it's mildly irritating to me that a woman might be teaching this boy about men's rights issues and how to be a man. It's akin to a man trying to teach feminism to a young girl.

I'm grasping at straws because he has a knack for ignoring me while pretending to listen. We need to start this conversation much younger but since it's too late and he's already drunk on vaginas and Nice Guy Beta culture....

Meet Sydney Watson....

https://youtu.be/Hu7V-aO9GQY

Lauren Southern.... go Canada!

https://youtu.be/4Pp-0GcRVKg

"Shoe on Head"...I think her name is June but who cares?

https://youtu.be/6BU-Beof9hU

Faith Goldy.....Go Canada!

https://youtu.be/6oyU4LzPw44






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[atctim]

Just a little vent and point proven: The old lady got called out on her bad behavior. While she squirmed and deflected responsibility, I called out her Hamster. I tell her - Your hamster is really spinning - look at that hamster go. So then, just as a child will do, she takes the term, which she has no idea what it means, and uses it on me. She starts calling me "Hamster". As one of the Red Pill rules: Women are like children and be treated as such.

I just wanted to share that little antidote. It proves the point to a T!

[ironchop]

So this was sent to me from a Red-pilled friend a moment ago.

From twitter..... obviously....as this tweeting woman doesn't understand that the girl who got married today is NOT a princess at all but rather, a Duchess now. And irrelevant. Just ask Sarah Ferguson. Education is your friend, Yvonne. Epic Fail in more ways than one.

Girl Power Inc. should stick to intelligent women doing the tweeting and put women like Yvonne on lesser important musings than anything that requires an understanding of British Monarchy. I guess she wasn't the only one either. 118,000 other women are clueless to this fact as well.THIS is what's fueling MGTOW and these girls don't realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot ultimately.

Of course the real point is how sad it is that she doesn't understand working on a marriage or "give and take" as marriage is nothing more than a stepping stone for "something better". Rather pathetic, self-serving, and dismissive view of marriage.
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[atctim]

A fine read - and very relate-able to those who are new to the Red Pill - enjoy, or cringe when you read the way you were / are.

http://www.returnofkings.com/28020/11-hard-truths-i-learned-from-taking-the-red-pill

[OTAlucard]

Well that's horrible @ post #202

If people feel this way about marriage no wonder their relationships never last !

[El Camexican]

So this was sent to me from a Red-pilled friend a moment ago.

From twitter..... obviously....as this tweeting woman doesn't understand that the girl who got married today is NOT a princess at all but rather, a Duchess now. And irrelevant. Just ask Sarah Ferguson. Education is your friend, Yvonne. Epic Fail in more ways than one.

Let’s see how long this lasts when Meghan realizes that not all rulers have 12 inches.

[OTAlucard]

A fine read - and very relate-able to those who are new to the Red Pill - enjoy, or cringe when you read the way you were / are.

http://www.returnofkings.com/28020/11-hard-truths-i-learned-from-taking-the-red-pill


I Asked my friend once why We never got together She explained it that "she is a very sexual person" And You never made the first move"

even tho I Would talk to her about all sorts of things Women are just as horny as men They just hide it .

Also Most people in general are always looking for the upgrade but they'll never be happy like this.
IF they treat their partners like a stepping stone up the social ladder They'll always be unhappy.

I Say if you can find a girl who's into you and you're into her Don't Get bored after conquest and just treat her like a human being

But I do know one thing If a girl won't be with you in her best years why should you give her your best years ?

The wall comes up for every girl while shes "making mistakes" on lesser men And having children with them Riding the cock carousel while she knows you like her Then she comes back to you when she's 30 while you've only had 1 - 2 partners Then what are you worth ?

[El Camexican]

This one says it all. Heard it years ago.

http://www.ba-bamail.com/content.aspx?emailid=24741

[fabiodriven]

As busy as I've been lately, I've not been able to "study" or practice these methods as actively as I was when this thread first began. Admittedly I've not kept up on reading the book as suggested and so graciously sent by Tim, I'm a terrible reader. I've faltered a bit lately, I've had some glum days, but as I said I've been very busy so I try not to dwell when my mind starts to stray to areas I'd rather it didn't. Oh Trikefest...

There hasn't been much for me to add to this thread lately, so mum has been the word. Today I went food shopping which has proven to be my best bet when it comes to interaction with the opposite sex. Earlier in this thread I mentioned a beautiful young Walmart worker I'd approached a month or so ago, who informed me that she was in a relationship with another young lady. I still see her when I go to Walmart, which I did today, and she made sure to acknowledge and say "hi" to me, which happens whenever I go in there now. The look she gives me whenever we interact says it all, she is certainly interested on some level, if not possibly just thoroughly entertained by my initial approach and attempt at garnering her attention. On some level I have succeeded in garnering her attention, so that is good. Great would be if something more should occur, and time will tell if that is something that will happen at some point. It made me smile today to see that I have made her smile. If smiling is her thing, for her sake I hope she has the opportunity to experience just how much I could make her smile, amongst other things.

Today I have mixed feelings, although my studies of this material have taught me that I should in no way be disappointed. Before I get ahead of myself, I went out last night with a young lady I've known for 8 years now. We've gone out a number of times over the years, we've "sealed the deal" before, but she's never proven to be someone of genuine interest. She's cute, not drop-dead gorgeous but definitely not ugly. She's in good shape physically, but not exactly a head-turner. When I say "head-turner", I mean in my opinion. A woman who turns my head might not necessarily turn another man's. Nevertheless, her looks are not her problem (to me). Her problem is, and I'd like to be blunt for the sake of accuracy, she is a one-way b!tch, and I won't deal with that. I'm fairly certain that last night was our very first interaction which didn't involve one incident of her scolding me for one reason or another. She seems to get miffed by my thoughts and humor quite easily for one reason or another, and she's very quick to alert me when I've miffed her. I've been sick of that since the very first occurrence, hence the lack of time the two of us have spent together over the years. We still did get together from time to time though, but every time I end up pulling away when I almost immediately get sick of her attitude. The worst part of her scorn is that she can say anything to or about me that she pleases, her own little "rules" don't apply to her, but I can't say anything without her getting insulted.

I went to the bah by myself this past Friday, as I'd spent all week working on the 480 and wanted to get out. The establishment I'd chosen happened to be right up the street from this particular woman, and we'd not been in touch since Thanksgiving, so I fired her a text. She wasn't able to meet me that night so we made plans for the following night, which was last night. It went well, we had a lot of laughs and talked about how old we've gotten and how long we've known each other now. As I said, she didn't scold me for anything last night, so that was good. I thought to myself, "I wouldn't mind seeing her again", and I suggested to her last night that maybe she come by today to watch a movie that we'd been discussing. She said she might and at that point I wanted her to. Then today happened.

Today I was at the grocery store, my main venue for interaction with women. I spotted a young lady in there today, mama mia... She might not be quite as lovely to the next man, but in my opinion this one was top shelf in the looks department, exactly what I look for. A quick pass by her told me she wasn't wearing a ring and also more than confirmed my initial thoughts about her physical appearance; absolutely beautiful. I decided then and there I was going to make a move. That thought was cemented in my head as she walked away and I was able to observe that God had graced her perfectly where it matters most, the hind quarters.

Things worked out perfectly so she was walking by me packing my last grocery bag on her way out the store, and I exited the store behind her. I approached her when we got outside and inquired if it would be feasible for me to purchase her an adult beverage at some point in the near future. Upon interacting with her, she is certainly a gorgeous young lady as I'd thought. Her reaction to me and my approach was genuine flattery, she was purely excited and it was clear to see. She informed me that she was seeing someone and almost seemed hesitant to say so, as if she was considering my offer. This wouldn't be the first time in this thread I've mentioned someone that I have approached being "genuinely interested" even thought I've come up empty handed in the end, and I'm sure there are questions as to how accurate my assessment of these interactions are. To be fair, on my shopping trip prior to this one, so a week and a half or two weeks ago, I approached a different woman who I never posted about in this thread because there was nothing to post about. I approached, we chatted, she wasn't interested, off I went. Now the difference between that particular interaction as compared to the interaction I had today is that I feel the woman I approached last week genuinely WAS NOT interested in me, which is fine. There's a face for every seat, and apparently mine wasn't for hers. Again, that's fine, but what I'm trying to say is that I can tell when someone is genuinely interested in me or not.

So today's interaction was certainly interesting, but it has been a double-edged sword. On the one hand, I am proud and excited that someone I could feel so strongly about would actually find me so attractive. That can be a good feeling, however the let-down of coming up empty-handed yet again has been nagging me. Not only that, but I feel like I came SO CLOSE today with someone who is such a rare bird for me. It is not all that often these days that I see a woman who makes me feel the way this young lady did today; genuine excitement. So it's a blessing and a curse I suppose. If it were supposed to happen, it would have. Usually when this happens, I remind myself if that wasn't the young lady for me, then I should be excited for the one who I actually do nail down because she will be even better. I'm struggling with that to a degree today.

Not only that, but I found myself poised to make a mistake pointed out multiple times in this thread and in much of the shared material on this subject. Even being aware of this mistake, I am fairly certain there would have been no way for me to avoid it had today gone differently for me. Had I successfully scored today's young lady's number, and had we started going out, I can see myself having stopped right there and "settled" for her. I can tell I would have been fascinated by her to such a degree that all reasoning would likely have gone right out the window. I don't know what to say about that, it is what it is.

So as I mentioned earlier in this post, I was hoping to have my date from last night over today to watch a movie. After my interaction with the young lady at the grocery store today, I no longer wanted my date from last night to come over today. She had me last night, I was interested, but not so much today. I have seen time and time again what I should be able to acquire in the female department, and I know what I truly desire, and nothing less I will settle for. That's nothing new for me, that's how I am.

At some point in this thread I do hope to be able to post some sort of positive results. Things have changed for me for the better in this department due to this thread, and I now have a good approach and even a rapport or two with a couple of women, so hopefully it's just a matter of time. Most men out there don't take nearly as long as I do to acquire interaction(s) with the opposite sex, but most men are far less picky than I am. My "standards" have definitely changed over the years, and I feel there are women who interest me now who wouldn't have in the past, so for those who like to tell me to "lower my standards" (something I'd never say to another man), they have lowered some, so to speak. I didn't lower them, I've just become slightly less picky over time. As I said though, nothing less I will settle for.

Just figured I'd check in and thank you all yet again for posting.

[ironchop]

....
At some point in this thread I do hope to be able to post some sort of positive results....

You've already posted positive results.

Of course, the intention is to get laid or score a quality relationship partner, sure, but you're still way farther up out of your dark hole than you were when you started.

You're apparently having way less inhibition talking to women and working on improving yourself which is the first and biggest step.

My kid is still down in the dumps but not as much as a few months ago. I've been slowly red-pilling him when I can. He's not a reader and has the attention span of a twelve year old so I stick to one or two-liners and RedPill memes to keep my foot in the door.

In other news....
Usually when I go to my General Practitioner, I'm in my work uniform clean or dirty. Sometimes I'm full casual in a t-shirt and jeans. Always a hat on. I always thought the receptionist was a moody b**** as she's been just one notch above rude for the last eleven years. My Nurse Practitioners are always very friendly but the lab RN is usually as disinterested as the receptionist is and conversation with either is like a root canal. A few other techs there are medium to low conversationalists and most are attractive while the two NPs are knockouts. The entire doctor's office is eight or nine females and my one male Doctor.

I get monthly lab checks for this medication I take that needs monthly monitoring. These people see me at least twelve times a year for the last eleven years now looking like Joe Blue Collar.

WELL, Thursday I had a follow-up after getting out of the hospital and I roll in there in shorts and a t-shirt. Didn't even tie my shoes. I was showered but still looked like a mess. Friday I had another lab test so I decided to wear a nice shirt and pants and dusted off the cologne bottle and left the ball cap at the house......holy friggin cow......so the receptionist who I usually ignore and give as much rude as I get and also don't bother with eye contact is suddenly chipper, smiling, and says "Good morning, Doug".....she's never addressed me by my first name even once in eleven years. I still ignored her because I was in that mode and was not expecting that curve ball at all. Waited for ten minutes and was then ushered back to the lab for a blood draw. The young tech said "wow, you look good all fixed up!" and the disinterested lab RN suddenly becomes talkative and starts giving me all sorts of advice regarding some blood thinning shots I was prescribed to give myself. She also pointed out that she saw me in the grocery store the other day but that I must've missed her (I didn't. I just didn't bother acknowledging her because she's never interested in talking to me any other time).

I never wear a ring because it's dangerous for machinists. De'onna has one and the staff there knows her as a recent new patient and knows that I'm living with her (practically married after 18 yrs together). De'onna is attractive and gets alot of attention and interest from men and random women tend to see you as more attractive when you have an attractive girlfriend or wife. Apparently a nice shirt and pants goes a long way as well.

So two staffers complimented my appearance and four others were over the top friendly. I'm not saying they wanted to sleep with me but they weren't ignoring me as usual for sure. De'onna knows I'm a bit of a flirt and as long as I'm not leading other women on or trying to score numbers, she's ok with it because it makes her feel good that other women flirt with me. The more I get hit on, the more I get laid by my wife. Odd how that works.

I need to quit going out in public alot looking like crap outside of date night or funerals and weddings where I'm in formal wear. I was reminded of this thread when all this went down and I chuckled a bit.

Side note: Even if you're not dating an attractive woman, it helps your appearance to be seen in public with one especially if she's flirty and very animated with you.

De'onna has "favorite shirts" of mine that I'm sure to wear when I want to get her attention. I pick out 60% of my own clothes but I'm smart enough to ask her advice on alot of the rest and she's happy to give input. She has good taste and is usually spot on and despises beta male styles. This ensures that I'm not wearing stuff that makes me look unattractive to her. She's VERY picky about my shoes. She claims a man's shoes are high on the appearance priority list as far as women are concerned. It's like number two on that list I guess. I'm good at picking out dress shoes...nothing but compliments from her there. I'm apparently terrible at picking athletic shoes. I go for comfort which is usually some Skechers or something she absolutely HATES. She calls them "old man shoes" and my sneakers have been known to disappear if she finds them especially repugnant. I used to get upset and throw down guns blazing with some boundaries talk but a woman friend once told me that some things are smart to be left to a woman's opinion and your appearance is one of them. This is the reason a woman cuts my hair. Hard to find a good male barber around here that isn't urban style or old man bubba flat top so I'll go to a salon alot. It's more expensive but a woman stylist usually won't let you out the door looking like shyte or like a redneck from the 60s. This town could use some contemporary barbers, for sure.

Back on track......John I figured out that while I like sex more than anything, I also like the chase leading up to the sex just as much. How many times I've chased tail only to be disappointed in the results in bed is often. What a letdown. I've always loved the chase, though. I've also figured out that it has ALOT to do with why some people are never monogamous or cheat on mates. The excitement of the chase is what they really crave. Ego preservation is another reason I believe. I think this explains why I don't cheat on her. Knowing I could goes a long way to satisfy any cravings I have for something different and goes a long way to preserve my ego. All self-doubt is a eliminated when she's acting crazy and we're having a rough spell which is very important for me when trying to stay in frame.

My Friday RedPill lesson was to pay more attention to my appearance




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[fabiodriven]

Excellent post as usual Doug, thank you. Appearance and dressing well as well as grooming are key. If I were in these situations in work clothes, it wouldn't happen. I'd be lucky if I got a reply. In sneakers and shorts, I might do better than I would in work clothes, but nice jeans, dress shoes, a watch (that doesn't work), hair and beard groomed, I have every reason to present myself, and it works. In my situation I have the time to maintain that level of presentation quite often, but it wasn't something I could do that much when I was still working. It's worth while for me to maintain a good look even for a five minute post office visit, because there is a hot sistah who works there and she's also a hoot to bowshit with, and you never know who you're going to run into where. I had a drive through worker throwing me smiles when she was clearly miserable before our interaction, and that was in a smelly, ugly, loud Dodge pickup, lol!

Thank you for pointing out I have had positive results already, I truly hadn't even thought about it that way, but you're completely right. I'm my own worst critic, that's a huge problem of mine.

[atctim]

Wanted to share these tidbits of wisdom with you guys today. Doug - I too have been trying to up my game in the attire department. I got a nice pair of casual / dress shoes. They go as well with blue jeans as they do with a suit. Chicks notice shoes for some odd reason. I guess I as a man notice foot wear on women too because I really hate stupid boots chicks wear - Uggs or what ever they are. A woman looks spectacular in high heels!!!!! Anyway - here is that wisdom:

Don't rely on women to tell you what they need, because they can't even decide what they want. They can't even
decide what they want most of the time, and when they finally do, it usually contravenes what they need. So asking
them what to do is pointless. Don't do it.




The desire of the man is for the woman, but the desire of the woman is for the desire of the man.




Religion has always been a hedge against Hypergamy, same with monogamous marriage. The latent purpose was more
complementary control of breeding between the sexes. Women have eliminated this buffer & consolidate on female
control while blaming consequences of that control on men.

[ironchop]

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Religion has always been a hedge against Hypergamy, same with monogamous marriage. The latent purpose was more
complementary control of breeding between the sexes. Women have eliminated this buffer & consolidate on female
control while blaming consequences of that control on men.

I'll go a step further and say this....

Monogamy is just good citizenry for a number of reasons even excluding religious dogma.

1) the obvious, as you mentioned above, being that breeding is kept in more controlled environments to ensure a two-parent family unit for the offspring to be nurtured within which is required for mentally healthy adulthood

2) an effective way to contain and control the spread of STDs (which can be detrimental to future reproduction) within a community or group

3) good way to keep the peace within a group considering how alot of humans can't handle polygamy in the sexual freedom sense due to the jealousies, possessive tendencies, and how those affect human ego and the reactionary emotions and actions that follow. We've all seen the damage that ensues when cheating leads to hurt feelings

4) strictly in a diversity sense. If the one alpha male gets to breed all fifteen females on his block, eventually we will have genetic issues arise from a lack of availability of unrelated breeding partners leading to incest, inbreeding, and all that comes with that.

Alot of times, anti-theists want to throw the baby, or rather the Bible, out with the bathwater because of their aversion to spirituality or anything intangible. What they fail to see is that even after peeling away the layers of what they consider "myth", there still lies an incredibly relevant and useful handbook on human social interaction inside as well as moral compass and instructions in ethics.... however, their aversion to "myth" causes them to write off anything useful or good contained therein going so far as to challenge all morals, values, and ethics and reject them wholesale for atheism sake. Nihilism is the new religion. But that's another thread entirely.

Now on asking women for advice, I only ask for confirmation on what I want when picking out certain styles and anything appearance based. I agree that they can be indecisive about everything else under the sun, I will suggest that that does not apply to a man's appearance. I believe that if a woman knows anything with absolute certainty, it's whether or not she is attracted to you sexually at that very moment when she considers only physical looks as opposed to confidence and other characteristics like social status, confidence, alpha leadership skills, etc. Studies prove that for men and women both, the eyes are the leader in deciding who is attractive and who is not. She's not going to notice your social status or confidence from across the bar as quickly as she will assess your physical appearance. Same with dating sites. Your profile is always the second thing she gives her attention to but it was your picture that got her attention to begin with and that's why I say that asking my wife what she thinks of my shirt color is a good idea for me at least. I don't ask her where she wants to eat dinner because that's a different issue but when I walk out from trying on a shirt, she knows with absolute certainty whether or not she wants to bang a guy who looks good in that shirt or those shoes right at that moment and rarely does this change unless the person wearing those items changes.

I liked my mullet but I let it go in 1995 (way late) because it wasn't attractive to females anymore and not because I got tired of it. I'm dreadful at contemporary fashion and sometimes it's a good thing considering the Beta-inspired pastel collections of metrosexual clothing offered to men these days in most retail settings but Realtree Camo and work boots isn't exactly an attractive alternative as far as females are concerned. So I have a few choices.....1) gay men... 2) beta men....3) clothing salespeople...4) male peers.... 5) straight women......I'm only trying to sleep with one of them out of those five so you can see why I ask women what I should wear besides Realtree Browning shirts, cargo shorts, and work boots (which may do well on FarmersOnly.com). I was never good at GQ after about 1990.

Edit for some clarity: I do realize that what is attractive to one woman isn't necessarily attractive to another so it's important for a man to eventually develop some taste in clothing if he wants to attractany different females in general. It's all relative. In my case, I'm being lazy really and I'm Fashion-retarded. Since my goal is to keep my current situation interested sexually, I base my actions around that situation, however she does have good tastes so I'm lucky in that it attracts a broader range of females. I know that it puts me in danger of falling into a beta trap and I have to be vigilant to prevent that. But for now, until I can develop better tastes in attire, that is my most sound option to get the men's fashion ball rolling. I hope that makes sense. Since I do get attention from ladies wearing the clothes Deonna agreed looked good on me, I don't think I'm off base in that decision


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[rdlsz24]

There is some good info in this thread. I saw some of this stuff on Redditt when I was going through a rough patch in my marriage last year.

This guy also has some good advice in the form of short videos, a short published book, and you can sign up for weekly emails. Yeah he offers expensive counseling but his free advice videos are useful too. No, I don't personally know him; his advice just helped me out so I will pass it along. http://goodguys2greatmen.com/goodguys/video-library/

Anybody going through hard times in their marriage, I feel for you.

Rob

[atctim]

Reality!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbeEuYAZFL4

[atctim]

gentlemen - we must focus and be on the move for excellence at all times. I can see this happening all around me. Stay focused and if you don't have a long-term plan in life - GET ONE!

"Although a significant minority of males continues to reach the highest echelons of achievement in education and labor markets, the median male is moving in the opposite direction. Over the last three decades, the labor market trajectory of males in the U.S. has turned downward along four dimensions: skills acquisition; employment rates; occupational stature; and real wage levels. These emerging gender gaps suggest reason for concern. While the news for women is good, the news for men is poor."

[ironchop]

gentlemen - we must focus and be on the move for excellence at all times. I can see this happening all around me. Stay focused and if you don't have a long-term plan in life - GET ONE!

"Although a significant minority of males continues to reach the highest echelons of achievement in education and labor markets, the median male is moving in the opposite direction. Over the last three decades, the labor market trajectory of males in the U.S. has turned downward along four dimensions: skills acquisition; employment rates; occupational stature; and real wage levels. These emerging gender gaps suggest reason for concern. While the news for women is good, the news for men is poor."Ironic that you just posted this.

I was, no shyte, just thinking about this thread a second ago but even more odd....

From the shower all the way to work this morning, I've been contemplating my next career move. Manufacturing in America is dying and any attempt to revive it seems to be met with resistance purely due to the fact that the person trying to change things is the media's #1 enemy in this country. No matter how one feels about tariff's, (I'm withholding judgement as I don't have all the facts) the fact remains that outsourcing it to other countries is no doubt destroying American jobs in favor of exploiting cheap labor and cheap quality goods being passed on to the American and Global consumer at nearly the same prices as well-made goods. American people seem content to either do nothing at all or to help it's demise solely based on ignorance and political bias.... Cut off that nose to spite that face mentality.

I'm done fighting the good fight. Mike Rowe is correct in everything he says about the trades but he's being too optimistic. I've been here since 1989 and cost of living has skyrocketed while wages stay flat and I'm tired of people who have half or less skills or grasp of mathematics as I do making more than I am just because whatever made up reason. Technology of any kind is wholly dependent on machinists and programmers and without those two, most of the rest of the world either has no employment or will live in the dark ages again. The lack of appreciation in our compensation is frankly appalling. I'm currently talking my son out of pursuing this trade as well which is very disappointing to him.

I'm over it. My salary would have been very comfortable in 1990 but it's just no longer feasible in this day and age and the median income for machinist then is hardly any lower than it is today.

Tim, I suspect my trade or career isn't the only one suffering the same fate which is probably why male median income is decreasing....besides the influx of cheap labor into this country.

I worked for 28 yrs to make eight or nine times the minimum wage back then, only for the unskilled to soon be making over half of what took me 28 yrs to achieve just by the stroke of a political pimp's ink pen...... with zero effort, zero extra training, zero apprenticeship hours put in, zero investment in measuring instruments and tools. The undeserving get a huge jump for refusing to try harder for better jobs and I'm punished by being forced to pay higher prices to offset these new labor costs on top of my higher health insurance so the same crowd can get it subsidized or free.

Rant over.

My point is that I'm looking into going back to college (and finish this time). I've looked into healthcare but that market is oversaturated in most positions.

I looked into mechanical engineering but it seems to be saturated and most engineers I know don't stay at companies more than 3-5 years for some reason and they complain about the compensation. I'm not looking to jump around anymore or chase wages.

I have a connection in a pipe welders union that is currently doing pipeline work all over the US and I might be trying to join an Operator's Union and apprentice as a heavy equipment operator. It was hit or miss when I did that non-union but the pay package and per diem for traveling is such that it makes it worth the bad times, in my opinion. My kids are all grown up and my wife said we could buy an RV and hit the road. I also drove heavy trucks for a short time but hated it so I'm not looking for any CDL OTR jobs.

Not sure what I'm going to do yet but an online degree is the goal even if I get pipeline work. My buddy is a laborer and made 80K last year. He used to be a machinist apprentice.

You're absolutely right, Tim. It's time for me to explore career self-improvement because I've been complacent and stagnant for too long almost to the point of going backwards.

I'm going to miss machining. It's the most satisfying thing I've ever done. It feels awesome knowing I can make or fix nearly anything at all but it's just not worth the salary level anymore. In my region, fixing air conditioners pays more than machining does. So I will bid it adeiu

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[atctim]

Ironchop - I have been blessed with a great job and I am looking to improve my life in other ways. That said, If I was in your position, (depending on where you live that is) I see a huge demand for starting up a business doing general handyman work. People these days seriously can not do anything themselves. From changing out lighting fixtures and receptacles, to home plumbing issues, to garden tractor repair. All of this stuff is "farmed out" these days - so if I was looking for work - I'd be all over it. Best thing about that job would be where to go for work. Many towns in Florida and other warm climates house older retired folks who just can't do things for themselves. Best of both world's if you ask me. Just my 2 cents, but if I ever fall on hardship, I'm moving south to turn into a handyman. You can basically charge whatever you want when there is no other alternative for many folks who need work done.

[atctim]

truth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&v=Gbfv-uLH5PQ

[OTAlucard]

I Figured It was time to add to this thread

I've talked about the girl I've known for 15 years going on 16 years now.
Shes been talking to me quite a bit recently Most people love to go back to what they already know It's easy for them to seek out somebody that they already know
There's so much to say I don't even feel like typing it all out

But ! I've decided to be there for her and help her with her emotional issues when I Have time Like the emotional tampon that I Am

then she said something that made me feel bad "You've always been my backup plan If it didn't work out with my boyfriend"

So I Ended up asking her if she ever thought that she might have Borderline Personality Disorder And she confirmed that she is being treated for it


Let this be a lesson for you all
If a girl ever idolizes you and thinks you're the best thing in the world
If she keeps pushing you away and pulling you back at the same time

Steer Clear

The rule I've learned in my short years of Dating Girls can't be friends with a guy that they find sexually attractive they keep hinting and acting goofy

[ironchop]

then she said something that made me feel bad "You've always been my backup plan If it didn't work out with my boyfriend"


(I've known girls like that)

I never could figure this one out for two reasons:

1) why do they think this is a compliment rather than an insult?

"You're so special to me that I made you the runner up"

2) why don't we, as men, immediately recognized this as the insult that it is? If we did, we'd never have fallen for this push pull stuff.

I was dating a girl named Chastity right after my baby momma rolled out with another guy in the middle of the night in 1999. We're in a grocery store after dating about two months and she says something to the effect that her baby daddy was wanting to come home and she felt compelled to "give him another chance" because "he was my first and my kids deserve their dad blah blah" and that she really did like me "but" .... So I said cool and went to leave the store and walk home because she drove and I lived about three blocks away. She gets pissed off and says "That's it!?!? That's all you got to say is 'Thanks anyway'"? She said she was upset that I didn't put up much argument or resistance after she basically dumped me or as she creatively put it "put US on a shelf for awhile"... It was just 60 days so fortunately I wasn't emotionally attached. The whore before her still had her beat by a mile in the cruelty department so I was battle hardened

So about three weeks later I'm at my friend's apartment which is across the courtyard from her when she comes out covered in mascara and tears and says she misses me and made a huge mistake blah blah blah and indicated baby daddy was out again. I said yeah it was sad it never got off the ground but it's probably for the best (haha) so she asks if she could have a second chance even though she "didn't deserve it" and she "would totally understand if [I] said no" blah blah.... Like a movie script..... So I said no thanks. And so she got even more upset and wanting to know why I couldn't forgive her or whatever. I just told her the truth which was that I would never be somebody's second choice ever again. You can't expect loyalty from someone that wanted someone else first. That was the first time I stuck up for myself with women like her and I'm glad I became that guy. Sounds cliche as f*** but it's helped me when those really pretty girls show up and try to run that game and I almost forget myself because really pretty girls










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[atctim]

Alpha Fs and Beta Bucks! OTA and Ironchop where both seen as Beta Bucks by these two women. Their "Chad" didn't work out, and so they needed a steady "plowhorse" for a back-up. You were both 2nd fiddle because you were seen as a good guy with good work ethics and would make a great provider. The problem is she isn't attracted to you - but rather attracted to your ability to provide. Your provider status always plays second fiddle to downstairs tingles department. I would have to imagine most (and by most I mean 98%) women have a back-up plan. It's in their genetic wiring. It's biology. Either be the "Chad" or move on. If you are the 2nd choice - you are being played! Don't ever be played - it shows weakness - and as soon as the lady gets an opportunity to move on (branch swing) - they will. When your eyes get opened to how this works - it is all so clear. If you are her second choice - and you fall for it - you are weak to her and she knows she can use you as a doormat and will move one when some new Chad gives them the tingles.

[Arky-X]

I told my 17 year old son, women are attracted to men for 1 of 3 reasons;
1) Money (provider)
2) Good looks

He asked, "What's the 3rd?"

3) They're hung like a horse (tingles department)

"What if they have all 3, Dad?"
"No one has all 3 son. "

What I've learned from reading this thread and some of the material is one of the basics atctim keeps bringing up. Women will always try to find all 3. When they lose 1 (tingles), they realize the importance of the others. Especially since few of them can provide for themselves.

I say this being married to the same woman for 21 years so take what I say with a grain of salt. I am either one of the luckiest SOBs around or am totally blind.

Cheers!

[ironchop]

..... Especially since few of them can provide for themselves...Cheers!


And this part is a myth perpetuated by lazy women and white knights both. (Not you personally, Arky... Just general society.....I felt this idea needed to be addressed)

I once believed that stuff too so I was part of the problem as well

I know quite a few women who provide for themselves with only their own career income. Some quite comfortably.

Lack of a living wage is a choice. There are too many ways to increase your income level. The "income gap" is something as a manager, I've never personally seen in two decades. All of my female employees at numerous companies I've worked made the same as their male counterparts WITH THE SAME SENIORITY AND SKILLSET in every case. While the gap may indeed exist, I've never seen evidence of it at any of my employers.

I also would not personally take the word of today's Hollywood feminists whom make millions every year and then complain of the 'income gap'.... More of that being out of touch syndrome. Maybe Hollywood does have a gap but then that wouldn't surprise me since Hollywood also tends to deem sexual assault, pedophilia, and harassment as just part of the job as well. They have their own special set of workplace rules, now don't they?

At this point in history, if you're a woman and you won't support yourself, it's a choice.... And no, nobody said you had to be burdened with raising children if you don't want to. Lots of Dad's I know would have gladly accepted custody and taken the torch of child raising so that's no longer a valid excuse either. I also know some single moms who support themselves and their children without a penny from welfare or child support and no college degree. This pretty much destroys that idea too

True equality only exists when these preconceived notions of women as perpetual victims cease to exist. They need to lay down the Victimhood crown of thorns and move on. Be strong. Persevere. You're not a martyr, sweetie [emoji39]



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[El Camexican]

I Figured It was time to add to this thread

I've talked about the girl I've known for 15 years going on 16 years now.
Shes been talking to me quite a bit recently Most people love to go back to what they already know It's easy for them to seek out somebody that they already know
There's so much to say I don't even feel like typing it all out

But ! I've decided to be there for her and help her with her emotional issues when I Have time Like the emotional tampon that I Am

then she said something that made me feel bad "You've always been my backup plan If it didn't work out with my boyfriend"

So I Ended up asking her if she ever thought that she might have Borderline Personality Disorder And she confirmed that she is being treated for it


Let this be a lesson for you all
If a girl ever idolizes you and thinks you're the best thing in the world
If she keeps pushing you away and pulling you back at the same time

Steer Clear

The rule I've learned in my short years of Dating Girls can't be friends with a guy that they find sexually attractive they keep hinting and acting goofy

I like to call this “Runner-up Syndrome” only because it sounds more politically correct that “Sloppy Seconds Syndrome” That said I have no idea what allows this phenomenon to occur, but I see it everywhere in nature and have been personally touched by it to varying degrees.

Let’s start with the personally positive side of this occurrence. You know, the kind where some hottie at a party is with a guy that’s had a few too many and doesn’t notice when she follows you into the john and blows you without so much as asking your name and then walks back to her drunken date and French kisses him where he sits on the couch waiting for her to bring him another beer. After posting and re-reading this I decided to count off on my fingers how many times I've been propositioned by girls that were in relationships and were less than 50 feet from the guy that brought them to an event and I've run out of fingers. Of course all this dates back 30 years when I had hair and an identifiable waist, but my point isn't that I was some sort of stud muffin (I wasn't) it's that a lot of chicks are on the prowl even when they are telling some poor SOB he's their main squeeze.

Myself, I have a strict policy about these things and would never allow it to happen if the guy was a friend, acquaintance, or even a friend of a friend. Although a stiff Richard has no conscience, I was NEVER the instigator and always turned down anything that might get complicated. The result of that was usually that said hottie would be pissed off with me and even threaten to tell her BF I’d put the moves on her. This would piss me off big time, especially when I would get a wedding invitation a year later asking me to join the couple in sharing their wedded bliss. A subsection of my personal policy was to never rat out the chick. To this day I feel it serves no purpose and I’ve gone so far as to let my own brother marry a woman of this caliber and find out the truth about her the hard way.

So why would I never divulge to my fellow man the naughty behavior of his woman? Simply because of the words of a wise man who once replied to my pleas for advice regarding affairs of the heart by telling me “It doesn’t matter what I think you should do, it only matters what you think you should do”. Truer words were never spoken as the few friends that tried to warn me about the girl I was second in line for were quickly labeled as jealous liars by her and when I later realized the truth I couldn’t look them in the eye. The cross we bear when we let our emotions overpower our good sense is one that must be carried alone and only after it is laid down can beers and tears be spilt with our brothers.

Ok, so I’ve admitted to being the recipient of tingly crotch benefits as well as the victim of them (Really hoping the latter was the lesser, but there’s no way to know) but what causes this? It can’t all be because the male isn’t playing the alpha role, can it? I’ve seen some pretty alpha male types taste someone else’s seed and I’m not just talking about once at a party, I mean repetitive encounters with guys I would deem to be lesser in every way in comparison to the guys they were cheating on. When your old lady gets the nickname "Sperm Bank" it's time to think about breaking up.

Seriously, what kind of chick sneaks over to some unemployed bums rental house to smoke his pipe when her hard working kindhearted husband is out earning for the family?

This isn’t unique to humans. The female alley cat in heat behind your house waits patiently for the tom cats to tear each other’s eyes out in order to get some puss… what do they call it anyway? and what do dogs a call it??? Anyway, after the bleeding victor plants his seed and wanders off to lick his wounds the runner ups all take a turn on her. So what was the point of the scrap? Couldn’t they just draw straws, or make a line? This behavior is prevalent in many species and tells me that males are stupid for letting it happen.

In humans this seems to change with age. In my experience a 20 year old woman is far more likely to mess around on her mate than one that is 40. As a friend once said “At 20 they don’t know the value of a stiff d*ck, but at 40 they worship them”. As far as the 30’s my experience is that they are most dangerous at that age. By then there are less of them willing to step out on their mates making them a more valuable commodity for the males that would receive them. They’ve also figured out how not to get caught and their social circles and daily routines with work and such create more opportunities to mess around. My advice to anyone with a girlfriend or wife over the age of 30 who wishes to keep them at home and faithful would be well advised to get them pregnant at some point, but that’s just my $0.02 and I’m in no way saying that they are all the same.

As little as I’ve commented on this thread I have been following it as much as possible and I’m of the impression that controlling the behavior of a woman is as much about keeping her worried about her status in your love life as it is about asserting yourself as a man. If I’m even partially right about this, it would scare me to be a guy that manipulated his life partner in order to change her natural tendencies when the day came that I was bedridden, or somehow left destitute.

An example would be this Billy Bush guy that was on the grab her by the kitty tape with Dirty Don. As soon as he lost his high paying job his wife left him. This was a guy that could play the alpha male role and if you look at the two of them she’s the one that didn’t marry for looks. No one is going to tell me she left him for laughing at that comment, so at the end of the day the smoking hot woman he used his alpha male charms to win over left him a few days after his economic fortunes turned.

Is this what we’re trying to obtain? Do we really want to control our women by means of charms which could one day be gone? Do I have a point to make? Probably not, women drive us nuts, yet we’re drawn to them as a moth is to flame, often with the same results.

Carry on.

[Scootertrash]

I like to call this “Runner-up Syndrome” only because it sounds more politically correct that “Sloppy Seconds Syndrome” That said I have no idea what allows this phenomenon to occur, but I see it everywhere in nature and have been personally touched by it to varying degrees.

Let’s start with the personally positive side of this occurrence. You know, the kind where some hottie at a party is with a guy that’s had a few too many and doesn’t notice when she follows you into the john and blows you without so much as asking your name and then walks back to her drunken date and French kisses him where he sits on the couch waiting for her to bring him another beer. After posting and re-reading this I decided to count off on my fingers how many times I've been propositioned by girls that were in relationships and were less than 50 feet from the guy that brought them to an event and I've run out of fingers. Of course all this dates back 30 years when I had hair and an identifiable waist, but my point isn't that I was some sort of stud muffin (I wasn't) it's that a lot of chicks are on the prowl even when they are telling some poor SOB he's their main squeeze.

Myself, I have a strict policy about these things and would never allow it to happen if the guy was a friend, acquaintance, or even a friend of a friend. Although a stiff Richard has no conscience, I was NEVER the instigator and always turned down anything that might get complicated. The result of that was usually that said hottie would be pissed off with me and even threaten to tell her BF I’d put the moves on her. This would piss me off big time, especially when I would get a wedding invitation a year later asking me to join the couple in sharing their wedded bliss. A subsection of my personal policy was to never rat out the chick. To this day I feel it serves no purpose and I’ve gone so far as to let my own brother marry a woman of this caliber and find out the truth about her the hard way.

So why would I never divulge to my fellow man the naughty behavior of his woman? Simply because of the words of a wise man who once replied to my pleas for advice regarding affairs of the heart by telling me “It doesn’t matter what I think you should do, it only matters what you think you should do”. Truer words were never spoken as the few friends that tried to warn me about the girl I was second in line for were quickly labeled as jealous liars by her and when I later realized the truth I couldn’t look them in the eye. The cross we bear when we let our emotions overpower our good sense is one that must be carried alone and only after it is laid down can beers and tears be spilt with our brothers.

Ok, so I’ve admitted to being the recipient of tingly crotch benefits as well as the victim of them (Really hoping the latter was the lesser, but there’s no way to know) but what causes this? It can’t all be because the male isn’t playing the alpha role, can it? I’ve seen some pretty alpha male types taste someone else’s seed and I’m not just talking about once at a party, I mean repetitive encounters with guys I would deem to be lesser in every way in comparison to the guys they were cheating on. When your old lady gets the nickname "Sperm Bank" it's time to think about breaking up.

Seriously, what kind of chick sneaks over to some unemployed bums rental house to smoke his pipe when her hard working kindhearted husband is out earning for the family?

This isn’t unique to humans. The female alley cat in heat behind your house waits patiently for the tom cats to tear each other’s eyes out in order to get some puss… what do they call it anyway? and what do dogs a call it??? Anyway, after the bleeding victor plants his seed and wanders off to lick his wounds the runner ups all take a turn on her. So what was the point of the scrap? Couldn’t they just draw straws, or make a line? This behavior is prevalent in many species and tells me that males are stupid for letting it happen.

In humans this seems to change with age. In my experience a 20 year old woman is far more likely to mess around on her mate than one that is 40. As a friend once said “At 20 they don’t know the value of a stiff d*ck, but at 40 they worship them”. As far as the 30’s my experience is that they are most dangerous at that age. By then there are less of them willing to step out on their mates making them a more valuable commodity for the males that would receive them. They’ve also figured out how not to get caught and their social circles and daily routines with work and such create more opportunities to mess around. My advice to anyone with a girlfriend or wife over the age of 30 who wishes to keep them at home and faithful would be well advised to get them pregnant at some point, but that’s just my $0.02 and I’m in no way saying that they are all the same.

As little as I’ve commented on this thread I have been following it as much as possible and I’m of the impression that controlling the behavior of a woman is as much about keeping her worried about her status in your love life as it is about asserting yourself as a man. If I’m even partially right about this, it would scare me to be a guy that manipulated his life partner in order to change her natural tendencies when the day came that I was bedridden, or somehow left destitute.

An example would be this Billy Bush guy that was on the grab her by the kitty tape with Dirty Don. As soon as he lost his high paying job his wife left him. This was a guy that could play the alpha male role and if you look at the two of them she’s the one that didn’t marry for looks. No one is going to tell me she left him for laughing at that comment, so at the end of the day the smoking hot woman he used his alpha male charms to win over left him a few days after his economic fortunes turned.

Is this what we’re trying to obtain? Do we really want to control our women by means of charms which could one day be gone? Do I have a point to make? Probably not, women drive us nuts, yet we’re drawn to them as a moth is to flame, often with the same results.

Carry on.

Hammer, meet nail.

I'd elaborate, but I have a wedding to attend. Seriously.

[El Camexican]

Hammer, meet nail.

I'd elaborate, but I have a wedding to attend. Seriously.

LOL! My buddy’s 36 year old stepdaughter is getting married today for the first time much to his delight. She’ll be wearing white and some of the guests will be probably be wearing grins.

[El Camexican]

(I've known girls like that)

I never could figure this one out for two reasons:

1) why do they think this is a compliment rather than an insult?

"You're so special to me that I made you the runner up"

2) why don't we, as men, immediately recognized this as the insult that it is? If we did, we'd never have fallen for this push pull stuff.

I was dating a girl named Chastity right after my baby momma rolled out with another guy in the middle of the night in 1999. We're in a grocery store after dating about two months and she says something to the effect that her baby daddy was wanting to come home and she felt compelled to "give him another chance" because "he was my first and my kids deserve their dad blah blah" and that she really did like me "but" .... So I said cool and went to leave the store and walk home because she drove and I lived about three blocks away. She gets pissed off and says "That's it!?!? That's all you got to say is 'Thanks anyway'"? She said she was upset that I didn't put up much argument or resistance after she basically dumped me or as she creatively put it "put US on a shelf for awhile"... It was just 60 days so fortunately I wasn't emotionally attached. The whore before her still had her beat by a mile in the cruelty department so I was battle hardened

So about three weeks later I'm at my friend's apartment which is across the courtyard from her when she comes out covered in mascara and tears and says she misses me and made a huge mistake blah blah blah and indicated baby daddy was out again. I said yeah it was sad it never got off the ground but it's probably for the best (haha) so she asks if she could have a second chance even though she "didn't deserve it" and she "would totally understand if [I] said no" blah blah.... Like a movie script..... So I said no thanks. And so she got even more upset and wanting to know why I couldn't forgive her or whatever. I just told her the truth which was that I would never be somebody's second choice ever again. You can't expect loyalty from someone that wanted someone else first. That was the first time I stuck up for myself with women like her and I'm glad I became that guy. Sounds cliche as f*** but it's helped me when those really pretty girls show up and try to run that game and I almost forget myself because really pretty girls










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Had I read this post 33 years ago it would have changed my life dramatically. Wheather for better or worse is impossible to say, but it would have definitely altered the course.

[plastikosmd]

Agree
Great post ironchop. Respect yourself first. A person cannot fill a void within themselves with someone else

[ironchop]

Agree
Great post ironchop. Respect yourself first. A person cannot fill a void within themselves with someone elseThanks.

Sadly, it took me ten years to learn this.

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[OTAlucard]

Great reads on the last few posts. !

The sad thing about a girl calling me her backup is.
I felt like she was my best friend. Now it just feels like she kept me around like a spare tire.

[ironchop]

Great reads on the last few posts. !

The sad thing about a girl calling me her backup is.
I felt like she was my best friend. Now it just feels like she kept me around like a spare tire.

So did you want a best friend or did you want a sexual partner?

I was under the impression that you wanted more than friendship with her

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[OTAlucard]

Well. At one point It would've been cool to be in a relationship eith her but now. I don't think so.

But I always considered her my Best Friend.

If you could imagine that not everybody is meant to be together or have intimate relationships together.

Honestly I've decided that I'm too smart when it comes to relationships.

I think about everything and usually talk myself out of it. Because I know too much.
Most people don't know about personality disorders and other problems that you'll run into.

But if you already know all the tricks. You're going to have to start playing stupid and falling for them if you want to get a date

I've noticed I always liked girls older than me
But now I'm talking to younger girls and I notice that they have less tricks.

[atctim]

Regarding ElMexico's long post - this should sum it up in terms I could not put down. My writing skills today are indeed not very good. Read link and discuss. Key word "Hypergamy". So much to discuss about Hypergamy = branch swinging.

https://eldritchedain.wordpress.com/2014/09/06/hypergamy-fact-or-fiction/

[atctim]

This might actually be a better article - the source of it is a fine red Pill source with hard facts:

https://therationalmale.com/2018/01/15/hypergamy-the-misconceptions/

[ironchop]

AWALT

All Women Are like That

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[ironchop]

I think Hypergamy is probably the most important thing for men to accept about women. I know it was the single hardest aspect of Red Pill for me to accept and then deprogram myself from those fallacies and the mythical perfect "good woman" that isn't burdened with her own Hypergamy.

I'm still trying to fully unlearn those programmed misconceptions and that fairy tale nonsense. I'm not even sure where men learned that crap. It's not like we didn't have warning signs.

For example: the romantic comedies that are marketed to women ALWAYS contain some physically hot male lead from any station in life at all and usually not from the top 1% economic/social station except for the extreme fairy tales where say, the hot maid or prostitute scores the hot rich guy. The rest of the time, station isn't exactly the focus at all but physical appearance is. Alpha F*cks.....I think this formula is popular with women because it's fundamentally true for them. Masculine and physically attractive men get first run even when they deliver pizza for a living. The tweet I posted above where the monkey branch girl said it was good Meghan Mackerel left her first husband because now she's married to a prince is a perfect expression of Hypergamy and the female self awareness of this condition.

On the flip, men are marketed Blue Pill crap such as the TV show Big Bang Theory and others where the nice intelligent, thoughtful guy, a beta in waiting, eventually scores the very high SMV chick through perseverance and because she finally realized what a dandy little catch he truly is. This is selling a lie and false hope to alot of beta males that if you wait long enough and keep up your beta ways, that eventually you'll become sexy to her when she suddenly gains agency and stops sleeping around so much and starts plotting long term. The truth, I think, is that long term pragmatism in mating for women only occurs to them once their SMV starts slipping and like a game of musical chairs, they don't want to be the one still standing when the music stops. Betas think they can outwait the hot chick so they cling for as long as they feel they have to. Betas in waiting are Masters of Patience.

The eighties hit Pretty in Pink was much more realistic in it's nuance. The lead female characters is "virtuous" and is waiting for "the one" and in the meantime, Duckie her best friend guy who is crushing on her and the epitome of Beta tries to White Knight his way into her dreams but instead she falls for that rich kid douche "who turns out to be misunderstood and not just trying to wreck muh hymen after all but really respects me".... Which is her way of talking herself into making poor mating choices by telling herself lies that she knows are lies. In the end, the beta in waiting guy is SO smitten with her that he actually HELPS the other guy get a shot at wrecking the Red Carpet...Afterwards she decides to bail on the awkward Beta best friend at prom for the Alpha in a trendy white suit with a Porsche. This is something else that I've noticed can happen sometimes when a man is so blinded by pretty girl that he doesn't even realize that he's being manipulated and therefore losing his bid to mate with the dream girl. She turns the beta string-along in to some sort of wingman to help her get laid. Then, he's just so beta that he lets it happen without protest and tries to move on or even maintain the relationship afterwards (clinging) with the girl who insulted him because she can't help that she's not attracted to him.

Of course, the movie didn't want to alienate all those "nice guys" in the audience so at the end, PiP threw those guys a bone with the scene where he encourages the hot ginger virgin to go submit to the Alpha rich kid and then suddenly another girl, with a lower SMV than Ringwald, winks at Beta boy and motions him over proving that "there's a girl for every guy, beta, don't be sad."...."when one door closes......" Reinforcing beta behavior and teaching betas to "know your place and rank and accept it".

It's also why men don't understand how their marriage failed. Why we don't understand womens motives, why they cheat, why they string us along, why they aren't attracted to betas. We're not even self aware about the real reasons any of them were attracted to us to begin with if they were.

We've been conditioned to believe that once the score is made, we're safe and sound and banging like rabbits for life because she has ultimately chosen us and will not allow herself to be attracted to another man no matter the circumstances....."assumed agency" .... Another falsehood.

Complacency happens next and then she gets bored and wandering eyes because her man wrongly thought the games were over after a commitment was made and sealed with money in the form of a ring.

Next thing you know, she's bounced out on you or emotionally cheating on you and you think it's because (he) has a bigger dick than you since you make four times his salary and you two have kids together which should have earned you a little loyalty...... Well it doesn't.

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[83ATC185]

This thread has taught me a lot of things about myself that no one ever told me. Like what do women want?
They want the guy that they think can and will pull any and all pink in the room, all to herself. That's what they want. And when the guy they're with quits being that, on to the next.

[ironchop]

...... Like what do women want?
.

I'm not sure if RedPill can answer that question definitively because that goalpost is always moving. Some of what I get from it all is understanding female motives and that reproductive biology plays a huge part in their motivation just like we have. I also learned that my early mythical perceptions of women were the cause of my past failures with them. Once I understood that her motive is fixed and constant, I could recognize the sh*t tests easier because I wasn't hung up wondering what her problem was (or mine too an extent).... (You got a gun to your head. It's no time to worry about why the person holding it is mad at you in the first place, but rather how to dodge the bullets).


......They want the guy that they think can and will pull any and all pink in the room, all to herself. That's what they want. And when the guy they're with quits being that, on to the next

Yeah I'm glad you mentioned that....That's all relative, because different women find different things attractive in a man's physical appearance. I know that my wife has a particular "type" she's hot for and I know you could put twin attractive men in front of her with identical looks and physique and her choice will have alot to do with his attire. Not just the quality or fashionability of the attire itself but more along the lines of what she thinks it says about the guy wearing it based on her own stereotypes. She's going for rugged and attractive lumberjack guy over the hipster dressed as such and identically attractive. This can't be said for all women though, since some like the hipster dressed guy over what they would consider a redneck slob that "needs work"... Although I must add that women are willing to "dress up bums" if they have to when there are no other physically appealing choices in the immediate vicinity. I wonder if that's why "makeover my husband/dad" shows are so popular

I agree with you that she wants the guy in the room who could score all the others if he wanted to but what type of guy that is can't be easily pinned down because what she thinks is the hottest alpha may not be the hottest alpha to a different woman

Then again, I may just be full of shyte.

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[atctim]

great posts guys - great for thought and learning.

Women don't even know what they want, because when they get "what they want" they then want something else - this is not just pertaining to men, but houses, cars - pretty much anything material. The answer to "what women want" can never be answered because it is a dynamic "want" thing.

[83ATC185]

I guess a better question would be "how does "what women want" compare with "what women need"?"

Unrelated, but interesting phenomenon I've had happen quite a few times in the past. Say you're out at a social function, like a bar or party or something, you're there with your wife but she's elsewhere (hopefully at the bar getting you a drink :beer) and you strike up a conversation with the woman next to you who is also alone, and you have no sexual interest in said woman, so you make small talk on a purely friendly basis, and you come to a small disagreement over the pettiest of petties, and she scoffs at you and walks away. And it's only then do you realize "she thought i was hitting on her" But you could meet that same woman in line at the grocery store or at the dmv and have the same casual conversation and that's all it amounts to. You're the same guy, you're saying the same thing, you still have a wife at home and no interest in a relationship, the only thing that's changed is her expectations. But why is that? Why is it ok to like a different brand of deli ham or a different beer than her at the grocery store or the dmv but not ok at the party?

I apologize if none of this makes any sense. Just kind of lost in my thoughts at the moment.

[Arky-X]

The eighties hit Pretty in Pink was much more realistic in it's nuance. The lead female characters is "virtuous" and is waiting for "the one" and in the meantime, Duckie her best friend guy who is crushing on her and the epitome of Beta tries to White Knight his way into her dreams but instead she falls for that rich kid douche "who turns out to be misunderstood and not just trying to wreck muh hymen after all but really respects me".... Which is her way of talking herself into making poor mating choices by telling herself lies that she knows are lies. In the end, the beta in waiting guy is SO smitten with her that he actually HELPS the other guy get a shot at wrecking the Red Carpet...Afterwards she decides to bail on the awkward Beta best friend at prom for the Alpha in a trendy white suit with a Porsche. This is something else that I've noticed can happen sometimes when a man is so blinded by pretty girl that he doesn't even realize that he's being manipulated and therefore losing his bid to mate with the dream girl. She turns the beta string-along in to some sort of wingman to help her get laid. Then, he's just so beta that he lets it happen without protest and tries to move on or even maintain the relationship afterwards (clinging) with the girl who insulted him because she can't help that she's not attracted to him.


How dare you bash Molly Ringwald!

But her and Duckie were just friends.........that is unless it didn't work it out with Alpha. Backup plan, right?

[ironchop]

Isn`t she the one time...... at band camp.......... she stuck a clarinet in her pussy-fa-zule ? :Bounce[emoji38]:Bounce:naughty::Bounce[emoji38]:Bounce:naughty::Bounce[emoji38]:Bounce:naughty:I thought it was a banjo [emoji848]

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[ironchop]

How dare you bash Molly Ringwald!

But her and Duckie were just friends.........that is unless it didn't work it out with Alpha. Backup plan, right?

Yup. Backup plan.

If girls know you're interested in them sexually and you aren't repugnant, they'll keep you around for awhile.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2769593/HALF-women-fall-partner-standby-fancied-case-current-relationship-turns-sour.html

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[Billy Golightly]

So I thought I'd share a little story I learned of recently.

An acquaintance of mine works in a predominantly female office.

A girl there has been apparently taking some training and classes after work to get another certification. She and this guy from there connected and they have been flirting in and out of class. I'm told she's married already, too.

Long story short, apparently this guy sent her flowers. Her other girlfriends have said that they bought them for her since she had a family member pass away recently, as a covering story. I mean not only are you screwing around married, you're using that as an angle to cover for? I had to laugh.

Now I dont know any of them and it may all be horse trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro. Maybe the husband is deserves it. But all I could think of when I heard of this tale is tomassi saying "hypergamy doesn't care".

Stay vigilant.




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[ironchop]

Relevant article I stumbled across yesterday. Very troubling.

https://www.sott.net/article/395535-Down-the-memory-hole-How-radical-leftists-disappeared-a-published-scientific-paper

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[sledcrazyinCT]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that's a bunch of BS. Glad their article was still made public. Heaven forbid you hurt some women's feelings....No debate from any of them, just condemnation.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.04184.pdf

[atctim]

Just saw this and had to share it - especially after reading the Kavenaugh comments on that thread:

There is plenty to discuss about the Kavanaugh fiasco, but one aspect that has struck me as particularly cruel is the backlash against his emotional display. The mainstream press has dignified this grotesque evisceration by publishing the criticism, much of it written by women. I won't link to any examples, but anyone can find them pretty easily.
In short, the disgust over Kavanaugh's tears provides a prime example of a simple truth: women are not only incapable of understanding male vulnerability, but instinctively react with loathing when they do encounter it.

Here’s the painful pattern that emerged from my research with men: We ask them to be vulnerable, we beg them to let us in, and we plead with them to tell us when they’re afraid, but the truth is that most women can’t stomach it. In those moments when real vulnerability happens in men, most of us recoil with fear and that fear manifests as everything from disappointment to disgust. -Brene Brown
Even Saturday Night Live just now mocked Kavanaugh for shedding tears over his calendars. From a feminine perspective, this makes no sense whatsoever...a woman got sexually assaulted and you are crying over calendars?
The calendar, of course, was merely incidental. Kavanaugh choked up at the thought the person who started the tradition - his father, the primary model of masculinity in his life. He cried at memories of camaraderie with his friends - brotherhood, duty. The all too familiar feeling of humiliation, rage, disappointment, sadness, and injustice all rolled into one as his career - the major source of masculine purpose - gets dragged through the mud in front of the whole country.
I recall reading on this sub once that when a woman watches Saving Private Ryan, she might as well be looking at static. She fundamentally lacks the ability to understand a man's emotional core.
The strong, silent man is a masculine archetype for a reason.
We tell boys not to cry for a reason.
Insults such as "pussy" are there for a reason.
Never cry in front of a woman, except when your parents die.

[ironchop]

Relevant......

https://www.dangerous.com/49605/boy-13-arrested-cuffed-and-dragged-from-school-over-metoo-allegations/

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[atctim]

WOW - I can see this becoming common place. This "Guilty until proven innocent" will have lasting repercussions on our society. It's stories like this that scare the crap out of me. Something has to be done about false accusers. The punishment needs to be very harsh! Examples need to be set. What a crazy time we live in. How did we go from a world I grew up in to such dishonest "me me me" society in such a short time. Civilization will fall if this continues.

[sledcrazyinCT]

Relevant......

https://www.dangerous.com/49605/boy-13-arrested-cuffed-and-dragged-from-school-over-metoo-allegations/

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Holy crap! I would think that no minor could be treated like this until a parent/guardian is present Boy oh boy that is over the top

[atctim]

Get a load of this (BTW - it is super funny) but it really shows the "crazy" we are dealing with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k&feature=youtu.be

[ironchop]

Get a load of this (BTW - it is super funny) but it really shows the "crazy" we are dealing with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k&feature=youtu.beHoly cow..... Leftists trolling other Further Leftists....I love it! I'm really upset about the state of "academic scholarship" in our country but I'm not really surprised

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[atctim]

Holy cow..... Leftists trolling other Further Leftists....I love it! I'm really upset about the state of "academic scholarship" in our country but I'm not really surprised

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I've all but lost faith in our colleges and universities. I know it's been said way too much already, but they truly are brain washing our kids, and at this point I can see it trickling down to state run high schools and elementary schools. Schools and places of learning should not be biased and one sided - only teaching the teachers' beliefs. I am seeing the tides turning in the future though. I tell our kids all the time, a degree will not mean much when they are my age, because no one will be able to do anything for themselves by then. An actual "Handy-Man" will be a high demand, great paying job by then. Meanwhile the "Gender Studies" students will have literally no life skills and will require said "Handy-Man" to do such trivial things as hook up a new telephone, or clean filters in the air conditioner. Tides do and will change. The pendulum swings, and as far as I can tell when the dust settles from the recent "destroy a man" campaigns - the world will be far worse off for actual abused and violated wiminz, as the evil doers can only cry wolf so many times with any credibility. It truly is sad that these partisans and feminists can not see the forest for the trees!

[ironchop]

... Tides do and will change. The pendulum swings, and as far as I can tell when the dust settles from the recent "destroy a man" campaigns - the world will be far worse off.....

Most certainly.

And it always swings just as far in the opposite direction as the one it came from, so I'm as concerned as you are. Extremes are never good for anyone

It's not just the Women vs Men drama. The same forces are actively agitating in white people vs people of color, straight vs gay, trans vs not trans, left vs right, high class vs low class, priveledge vs no priveledge, climate change vs deniers, Prius vs Hummer, etc. They have managed to divide every single subculture or ethnic group into either a victim group or the oppressor group. That's what the whole of humanity is being chopped up into.. Little pieces of resent and bitterness. They really are trying to start a war, I think.




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[atctim]

I find all the agendas to be amusing really. In one basket is the "Diversity = Greatness" theory - all the while the other basket is being filled with "Let's divide and label sub-cultures" as you mentioned in all the A vs B in the above post. Which is it, because they are both being pushed down our collective throats everyday. Talk about contradiction! Is it diversity or is it unity, because you can not have both in the same climate and society. That is just how messed up this quagmire has really become. Maybe we should start a revolution for "Diversity United". You know, we can have jumbo shrimp for snacks at our meetings and silently scream when they try to serve it with plastic silverware.

[OTAlucard]

Gossip travels fast locally in the neighborhood. A 85 year old man left his 93 year old wife 6 months ago for her biological who's in her 70s. I don't know what to think about this. It would be his step daughter.


I wonder about things how goofy people actually are. A girl wwill tell you that you're the best thing in the world and she'll drop you so easily. Yet they still keep in contact with me most of the time.

You could have higher value than anybody else around her but if she knows that she can't use you and manipulate you for your utility she wont date you. Just saying.

Also just saw the video of the people trolling the SJW people with fake papers. Every day I just want to move somewhere. Far away thank you for posting that Tim. The world is going crazy

[ironchop]

....

You could have higher value than anybody else around her but if she knows that she can't use you and manipulate you for your utility she wont date you.....



It's even more f*cked up than that, actually

She'll date the guy she CAN'T use and she will keep the guy she CAN use, hanging on the sidelines, for utility.

That's what you're there for. You get to be everything the guy she is having sex with is not and she gets to keep on having her cake. As long as you keep waiting on the sidelines, she's going to keep screwing him and simultaneously using you.

You move her furniture into her new apartment.... that she lives in with the guy she blew this morning.... because he had plans with "his boys" this afternoon. You loan her gas money that she uses to pick him up from jail. You fix her car for free so that she can take the guy she's banging to work because he has three DUIs.

Here's the best one...... She calls you to pick her up from the apartment of the stranger she went home with from the bar and banged last night (because the regular boyfriend cheated on her) because her car broke down in his driveway... So she banged a stranger...not you, the good and helpful guy friend....a stranger. A stranger ranks higher than you. Let that sink in.

I think a big mistake that nice guys make and also my BIGGEST mistake in my twenties was that I thought I could play The Waiting Game....I thought my perseverance would pay off in the end and I would prove my worth to her while she figures out what a douche her lover really is. If I had enough patience, she would magically fall for my sincerity and charms and then one day profess her mutual love for me. VICTORY!

yeah, not so fast cupcake (talking to my younger self).

The Waiting Game is good if you like to put your life on hold while you wait for a girl you're likely to never get because she doesn't respect your patience. Your patience buys her more time to screw around and "find herself" and she knows this. Your patience is a strategic asset for HER and not for you.

I used to sit and wait on my dream girl to finally dump her dude, so we could be together, only to have her date a different dude I didn't even know was in her life or she took the old dude back for an encore of dysfunction and not really worried that her "best friend"(you, the sucker) would ever abandon her

I thought I looked like an honest good man, she thought I looked like a desperate doormat. Therein lies another part of the problem. Huge difference in perception.

If I had a time machine, I would absolutely go back and b*tch slap myself at 17 for being such a doormat.

Guys need to move on and live their lives and unless you can be actual true friends with someone you're attracted to without getting your feelings hurt, then I would suggest you don't pursue the friendship either.



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[El Camexican]

Here's the best one...... She calls you to pick her up from the apartment of the stranger she went home with from the bar and banged last night (because the regular boyfriend cheated on her) because her car broke down in his driveway... So she banged a stranger...not you, the good and helpful guy friend....a stranger. A stranger ranks higher than you. Let that sink in.



If I had a time machine, I would absolutely go back and b*tch slap myself at 17 for being such a doormat.

LMFAO!!! Truth is always funnier than fiction.

I remember losing my drivers license once while on again off again banging the second craziest example of a woman I've ever dated. So she calls to see if I can go out and I tell her I'm shelved due to an accumulation of speeding tickets (18 in 3 months to be exact) and she says "no problem" and shows up in her ex boyfriend's Camaro a few hours later.:)

The temptation to ask how she came by the wheels was to much to hold back, so I did and she replied "I just asked him if I could borrow his car to go see a friend". We drove around for a bit, banged her in the back seat and got a ride home. Now at this point you might think I'm crowing over the stains I left on his red velour seats, :cool: but the sad fact is that I also lent her my car a few times over the years. :cry: