Break out the tissues.....

[Scootertrash]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/29/americas/migrant-caravan-us-border-crossing/index.html

Why didn't they seek political asylum in any of the other countries they came thru?


Some migrants said they had walked the last leg of the journey filled with anxiety. Others scarfed down food before they filed into the center, afraid there would be no food once they turned themselves in to border officials.

So why come all this way if you're afraid you won't get fed once you've crossed the border?


One woman in a wheelchair said she was leaving a part of herself in Mexico. She didn't know where she was going, just that she was going to the United States, she said.

The organizers of this caravan are Pueblo Sin Fronteras (read George Soros paid for this)

https://sovereignnations.com/2018/04/03/demand-treated-citizens-pueblo-sin-fronteras/


ETA: Soros transfers 18 billion......BILLION

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/18/george-soros-transfers-18-billion-to-his-liberal-philanthropic-foundation.html

[ironchop]

A wheelchair....... seriously? And I'm certain she won't be getting right to finding employment once she gets to America.

Doesn't know where she's going or if there will be any food? Just going to live under the 101 or on the streets and eat from trashcans? Really? Rolled herself all the way from Central America in order to be just as homeless and just as hungry as back home? Perhaps she's escaping crime? Drug traffickers? Violence? Yeah I don't think so. Crisis Actor.

This is a political stunt aimed at this coming November elections. There will be another wave in Summer of 2020, mark my words

And they dont seek asylum in Mexico because they know Mexico will kick them out.

Asylum from what?





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[El Camexican]

I love these threads. Not because I give a rats backside about the plight of these people, but because they always remind me of what the American Indians must think everytime they see some white dude (or orange dude) running around complaining about unwanted people encroaching on his turf.

In other news I see the good citizens of San Fransisco are complaining that their fair city is starting to smell like piss and that there are a lot of needles on the ground.

[ironchop]

I love these threads. Not because I give a rats backside about the plight of these people, but because they always remind me of what the American Indians must think everytime they see some white dude (or orange dude) running around complaining about unwanted people encroaching on his turf.
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Humans have encroached on each other's turf for tens of thousands of years all over the globe. It's also been genetically determined recently that there were at least three waves of human migration into the Americas at different times before the first European explorers and the settlers that followed. The second and third wave of "native Americans" would have therefore been encroachers themselves on the original wave. Matter of fact, Native Americans were well-known for encroaching, conquering, and occupying each others territory for thousands of years, however that doesn't quite elicit the same outrage or demands for justice and empathy as when a white European guy does something to someone from a different ethnic group. Seems Western European people are the new Romans, Turks, Mongolians, Chinese Visigoths, Umayyad, Persians, Moors, Berbers or any other ethnic group guilty of the same crimes....humans will be humans no matter what ethnicity or skin color. Concentrating on the actions of just one serves no purpose other than Identity Politics and sowing distrust

Most Americans who complain about immigration, including myself, don't have any issue with legal immigration. What we have a problem with is just any old body flowing over the border unchecked and illegally and apparently (according to Liberals) with zero documents or ID to prove who they are. They are then allowed to vote, drive cars, get housing, insurance, education, food all on our dime without having to prove who they are and anyone who complains is labeled a bigot or a racist.



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[ironchop]

Matter of fact, I would trade some American-born boat anchors for some hard-working potential taxpaying immigrants any day of the week.

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[sledcrazyinCT]

The only way the caravan even made it to Tijuana is because MEXICO already granted them asylum to travel north to America

Our judges should tell them sorry, but they already have been granted asylum from a safe country.....the country ranked 15th place in the global economy.....be thankful for Mexico escaping yourtrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro hole country with the gangs and corrupt government.

Not to be crass, but we have plenty of poor, homeless and hungry Americans that should be provided for first if it is tax payer funded.

[El Camexican]

The only way the caravan even made it to Tijuana is because MEXICO already granted them asylum to travel north to America

Our judges should tell them sorry, but they already have been granted asylum from a safe country.....the country ranked 15th place in the global economy.....be thankful for Mexico escaping yourtrailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro hole country with the gangs and corrupt government.

Not to be crass, but we have plenty of poor, homeless and hungry Americans that should be provided for first if it is tax payer funded.

I don’t understand your first comment. If you enter Mexico with the correct documents you can go anywhere you want. They went to the US border, granted, like rock stars thanks to the liberal agenda machine, but not with asylum, or any other special permissions I’m aware of. They got way more publicity up there than they did down here. If not for American news, I would’ve never known it was happening

[fabiodriven]

The media is an absolute joke at this point. I find it amazing that there are people, a lot of people, who regard anything as factual from a source who is not capable of properly identifying the sex of a human being. I don't care what he or anyone else tells me, a man in a dress is a man in a dress. If any individual or entity can pretend it's anything but, then they are very prone to pretend a lot of things in life. This isn't meant to be funny as I have seen people in various aspects of life pretend things are not what they are, when in all reality said person is likely the only one being fooled (by themselves no less). I find it disturbing that what's marketed as an outlet for factual information would play make-believe with a grown ass man wearing a dress. Wear a dress all you want but don't tell me you're a woman, and let's not aid this lunacy.

I'd like to remind everyone again, if you've never seen Idiocracy, make sure you do.

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[El Camexican]

Flip flops!!?? Look out boys, that’s fighting footwear!!!

[fabiodriven]

Flip flops!!?? Look out boys, that’s fighting footwear!!!

Flip flops, yes, but it did most of the trip in high heels. That's a very high level of commitment from that thing.

[3 Wheel Drive]

I love these threads. Not because I give a rats backside about the plight of these people, but because they always remind me of what the American Indians must think everytime they see some white dude (or orange dude) running around complaining about unwanted people encroaching on his turf.



Sort of like the Dali Lama and his Free Tibet bumper stickers? :wondering

[Shep1970]

Well since the tranny subject came up I figured I’d share this, the wife told me about an email she had gotten from our youngest sons school (last week) 8th grade. The school sold rainbow stickers for a dollar to the kids to show support for lgbtq (whatever it is) rights last week, parents were not told about this until after it took place...
Well the email said that many/most stickers were sold and the children wore them all day proudly. Soooo I asked my son about what occurred that day, he says “dad no-one wore stickers that he saw except the special-ed kids and the maybe 5 kids that are in the gay club after school”
So my question is why would the school send emails to all the parents saying nearly “all” kids took part in this?
I am so done with this school system!!!!!
Its not just the media lying to me it’s the school system too, where do the lies stop
I had to vent, ok now back to original subject....sorry just a tad bit off track

Shep

[fabiodriven]

Your vision is clear Shep. Good man.

[sledcrazyinCT]

I don’t understand your first comment. If you enter Mexico with the correct documents you can go anywhere you want.

Oh yes these Central Americans have all the correct papers to enter Mexico....Their paperwork has been checked as they traveled North to America:lol:

Taking a drag from her cigarette, a Mexican immigration agent looked out toward a caravan of migrants that grew larger with each step they took on the two-lane highway.
When the agent, who'd covered her uniform with an orange and white shawl, learned that the Central American migrants heading her way numbered more than 1,000, she took off for the restaurant across the street. “I'm going to have a relaxing Coke,” she told BuzzFeed News.

asylum meaning: 1. protection or safety, or a protected and safe place, given esp. to someone who has left a country or place for political reasons

When a person is truly seeking asylum like the people in Tijuana waiting at the US/Mexico border it is expected they would ask for it as soon as they reached the safety of the Mexican border. Members of the caravan asking to enter America are not really asylum seekers otherwise they would be thankful they are in Mexico already. America is certainly not obligated to take every person who asks for asylum....current law requires our country to review your case.....at the end of March 2018 there were currently 692,000 cases already for immigration lawyers to review and on average over 700 days before your hearing....our current administration's policy is until your hearing date you are staying on the other side.

[ironchop]

Trans people in flip-flops, women in wheelchairs, small children....This has all the makings of a Liberals wet dream. I expect to see Somalian women in this caravan too. Why? Because this is staged, obviously. Get a representative of every possible minority group to attempt to force their way in "desperaterately seeking refuge/asylum/help/saviors/freedom/democracy" or any of the other buzz words.

Do you reward the two dicks who cut in front of you in line at the DMV, public bathroom, or the fast food restaurant by serving them first? No, that's called Anarchy. Nobody will have a "great country to emigrate to" if our laws and our societal order breaks down because "rules hurt my feelings".

And the elephant in the room.......No matter how one feels about immigration either way, there is always a limit to what a society and it's public services and the taxpayers expected to fund it can withstand before you have total breakdown with mass poverty and famine. Precisely why China had enacted one-child legislation some time ago. Barbaric and authoritarian as some folks believed it to be, it was a direct response and action as a result of this very realization.

The most "persecuted" and "downtrodden" of humans suddenly decided to "fight" America to get in. They don't want to get in line with the 4 million other immigrants who choose to OBEY our laws and wait patiently. No, these people demand immediate satisfaction, compensation, consideration, empathy, financial support, and their ten minutes in the media spotlight. Selfish bordering on Narcissism.

Like sledcrazy pointed out above, I also wonder why the bleeding hearts have NO EMPATHY toward American homeless or American impoverished or American famine. They only give a damn about these things when they affect outside populations and it's usually spurred on by a media which is pushing a political agenda for the ruling shadow government to sway public opinion for "regime change" (proxy war)

You want to see how America's top Liberal "philanthropists" really feel about people? Go check out Medina Washington and see where Bill and Melinda Gates and Jeff Bezos live......inside gated communities with security cameras everywhere and a mini police state to "protect" these elite from the rest of us. Google that. All those millions they throw at charities is nothing more than a tax write-off and virtue signalling for good public relations and further sales.

These waves of immigration the world over are meant to destabilize complacent societies who are independent and self-sufficient. Not meant to save refugees or help these people....you can't sell authoritarian Socialism to independent and self-sufficient populations. You need to destabilize them first and they will beg for bigger and more authoritarian government to save them from crime, Poverty, and famine. There are much more sinister forces at work to destroy anything good and peaceful.

Latin America's problems arise from America/Europe and conversely the former USSR meddling. The Soviets pushed and sponsored Marxist regimes and overthrows and Kissinger and the CIA/ Europe sponsored Right wing fascist dictatorships in response. We drug the Cold War into South and Central America and those folks have been unable to determine their own destiny for several decades now thanks to external meddling by both sides of the issue.

But I digress.

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[El Camexican]

Oh yes these Central Americans have all the correct papers to enter Mexico....Their paperwork has been checked as they traveled North to America:lol:

I have no doubt that they did.

Unlike the USA Mexico and all countries south of it are very strict about ID. Voters cards with photos and fingerprints, tax ID numbers and others. You can’t open a bank account, get a drivers licence, use the social medical system, or even register a phone down here without it.

My daughter applied for the Mexican passport last Friday. Besides her Mexican birth certificate we had to present our marriage certificates, our passports as well as my wife’s voter ID and my Mexican residency documents. Then her mother and I had to register all 10 of our fingerprints and my daughter had to do the same as well as take a retinal scan.

The hilarious thing about this situation of the caravan coming to the US is that it is in fact your antiquated American laws that allow this to happen. You have laws on the books that allow people like that guy in the flip-flops to come to your border and legally apply to live in your country and receive benefits. There arent many countries out there that would take in somebody like that.

Do you remember the movie Scarface? When Tony Montana and all the other murders were shipped over from Cuba? That really happened.

I don’t think either of your political parties really wants to stop the flow of illegals, there’s too much money (and power) to be made from it. Trump is the only one that’s ever been serious about doing something, but I doubt he’ll accomplish more than a few miles of wall and a slight increase in deportations. If anything, his rhetoric will probably allow the next Democratic president with control of Congress and the Senate to make laws that will practically open your borders, something they wouldn’t have been able to do had Obama and now Trump not polarized the voters to the extent that they have. Together we stand, divided we fall. Don’t look now but....

The law that you guys have that allows a mother to illegally be in your country and give birth to a child who is automatically granted citizenship and have its first suck on the government tit by having the medical expenses of its birth paid for by Uncle Sam is ridiculous. It’s served a purpose when Europeans were being invited over to your country by the boatload, but now it’s pulling in people from all over the world for no other purpose than to get that American citizenship and you guys are paying for it.

How do I know this? I was invited by an American doctor to have my daughter be born in Texas and have all medical expenses paid. All her mom needed to do was say that the father wasn’t around on the day of her birth and the bill, which 20 years ago was almost $10,000 would automatically be picked up by the American taxpayer and my daughter would have been an American citizen.

It’s no wonder people are jumping you’re relatively unprotected border. Your own laws Encourage people to come in illigaly and make breaking the law easy once they are in. Until that changes you’re going to continue to have people walking ther in high heels.

[ironchop]

Unlike the USA Mexico and all countries south of it are very strict about ID. Voters cards with photos and fingerprints, tax ID numbers and others. You can’t open a bank account, get a drivers licence, use the social medical system, or even register a phone down here without it.

Actually, we have the very same requirements......but they only apply to legal US citizens. There are scads of NGOs who are shadow-funded by Lord knows whom which have the sole purpose of helping illegals get around these requirements by sponsoring legislation to relax the rules for these people "because amnesty".....hell, even asking for ID from people of color at some polling places is now societally taboo and met with rebuke and media condemnation. Its called racist. Funny though, because you can't cash a welfare check anywhere without the proper ID so we aren't sure what the problem is.

I had a homeless friend who worked for five years within the system to try and get an ID so he could get a legit job, rent a place, get utilities turned on, get healthcare, and become a productive taxpayer. He failed. There was no "altruistic" "selfless" NGO or Liberal trying to help him help himself. No protestors down at the DMV demanding he be issued an ID or driver's license....no Leftists hordes taking up his cause or making his story viral on Fackbook or Salon magazine.

We have very stringent rules here too, but they are considered racist where brown, black, Muslim, people's are concerned.... Asian immigrants are expected to follow the rules too, like citizens because apparently empathy does not apply to them either. Lefties have a particular flavor they like to "help" and they are racist to anyone else including their own kind otherwise.


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[sledcrazyinCT]

Nico won't argue our laws play a part. Will also beg to differ that the caravan is squeaky clean and every person has the proper papers. You mentioned the media has brought this to light and many reporters are travelling with them. https://www.buzzfeed.com/adolfoflores/a-huge-caravan-of-central-americans-is-headed-for-the-us?utm_term=.bkM77qaXmB#.huMPPbW4vd There are plenty of reports that Mexican LEO are turning a blind eye and letting the caravan pass without checking papers. We had three Mexican customers in CT when this was playing out and they kidded to me and coworker that the caravan is full steam ahead to California just to piss off your trailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotrailprotr ailpro POTUS.


Later that week when Trump said the national guard was headed to our border, that was when Mexico started to break up the caravan. One of our customers is Mexican govt official ...... one day he was laughing screw Trump then as soon as Trump announced his decision to send the National Guard he no longer thought it was a joke.

[El Camexican]

All I’m saying is that Mexico has the same rules about entering the country as anyone else. After you’re in, your in, just like the States and I’m sure all the people in that parade of misfits had the right papers. If a Mexican with a passport enters the USA through California with the intention of walking to Canada to seek asylum I’m unaware of any US Department that would try to impead or prevent the journey, so why would the Mexican authorities?

That said, what didn’t happen to this motley crew of misfits from assorted sh*thole countries is the shakedowns and abuse they are typically exposed to on such endeavors while in Mexico. This was totally a publicity stunt aimed at Trump, I’m just saying that they didn’t enter Mexico illegally and as far as I know didn’t break any of our laws on their way North.

Remember when one of the (assumed) 911 perps was found to have crossed in from Canada and some American politicians were blaming the Canadians for letting them into the US? Jessie Ventura cleared that BS up perfectly.

[ironchop]

I still say they're paid actors

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[greenhuman]

The media is an absolute joke at this point. I find it amazing that there people, a lot of people, who regard anything as factual from a source who is not capable of properly identifying the sex of a human being. I don't care what he or anyone else tells me, a man in a dress is a man in a dress. If any individual or entity can pretend it's anything but, then they are very prone to pretend a lot of things in life. This isn't meant to be funny as I have seen people in various aspects of life pretend things are not what they are, when in all reality said person is likely the only one being fooled (by themselves no less). I find it disturbing that what's marketed as an outlet for factual information would play make-believe with a grown ass man wearing a dress. Wear a dress all you want but don't tell me you're a woman, and let's not aid this lunacy.

I'd like to remind everyone again, if you've never seen Idiocracy, make sure you do.

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Now I can see a use for all your guns over there.

[knappyfeet]

Let's play "I spy".......I spy the hoto that walked across the desert in stilettos


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I bet Esteban hasn't changed his casones yet!....GROSS!

[Tri-Z 250]

I lol at all you imagration types especially around Ohio. You see we have the Amish and Mennonite who have not paid into Social Security Frderal Income State or Local wage tax. They undercut every construction project at 27% carry no insurance bonds which gives them a built in head start on profit. All the money for labor gets paid to the church who washes the money and re distributes the cash to its followers as it sees fit. All claim themselves as farmers only educate there children to a sixth grade level and never work past a 7hr day to keep the scam alive in the name of Religious persecution. They all have cell phones, the best is a horse drawn buggy bustin beats going down the road. Do something with what's already a problem here those people can wait.

[fabiodriven]

Sounds like you're jelly. You should become Amish.

[El Camexican]

Let's play "I spy".......I spy the hoto that walked across the desert in stilettos


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I bet Esteban hasn't changed his casones yet!....GROSS!

I spy with my little eye flip flops!

[ironchop]

How come only one of them...the hoto....has any luggage? They walked all this way in the same set of clothes the whole time? Them cloths look awfully clean for all that.

Must be a wardrobe truck following those actors

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[knappyfeet]

How come only one of them...the hoto....has any luggage?

You right.....maybe Esteban did change his casones.

And shave your legs amiga......

[El Camexican]

How come only one of them...the hoto....has any luggage? They walked all this way in the same set of clothes the whole time? Them cloths look awfully clean for all that.

Must be a wardrobe truck following those actors

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Don’t you worry about Mr. Flipflop’s luggage, his sh*t is very well packed.

[ironchop]

Don’t you worry about Mr. Flipflop’s luggage, his sh*t is very well packed.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji39][emoji39][emoji39][emoji39]

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[knappyfeet]

Don’t you worry about Mr. Flipflop’s luggage, his sh*t is very well packed.Suave....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180502/7b46f397ccd56da5710ee7f05b6e0b4d.gif

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[sledcrazyinCT]

I have no doubt that they did.
It’s no wonder people are jumping you’re relatively unprotected border. Your own laws Encourage people to come in illegally and make breaking the law easy once they are in. Until that changes you’re going to continue to have people walking in

So upon arrival to Mexico border, do you have to state the purpose of visit? Tell them how long you are staying? Would the visitors tell Mexican officials they intend to seek asylum in America?
Wink Wink dumb Americans will let me visit my cousin in Dallas while I wait for my hearing:lol:


Convention of States might correct what the political class in D/C ignores.

[El Camexican]

So upon arrival to Mexico border, do you have to state the purpose of visit? Tell them how long you are staying? Would the visitors tell Mexican officials they intend to seek asylum in America?
Wink Wink dumb Americans will let me visit my cousin in Dallas while I wait for my hearing:lol:


Convention of States might correct what the political class in D/C ignores.

The Mexican FMT paperwork asks business, pleasure or student and address while in the country (can be anywhere). You pay about $20 bucks and the visa is good for 180 days and can be renewed inside the country.

The only people who can legally demand to see it are immigration officials, but they are far and few between. Not even the Federalies are legally allowed to ask, but they do anyway if they think they can shake youndown. I have never encountered one aside from their occasional visit to my home as I have my business registered here too and they want to make sure I’m legit. They take photos and make copies of my ID. Nice guys, they say most of their work is done at night raiding strip joints.

It may surprise you to hear that aside from US Airports (strict) I hardly get asked any questions when I drive over the border. Last week they just put my passport in the scanner and said have a nice day.

I laughed my arse off when I say Glamy’s comment about crossing in a taxi, that goes on a lot. Most of the wets I know of in the States drove across in cars with papers in hand. the ones that swim over are what you hear about, but that’s just a fraction of them.

[Arky-X]

Let's play "I spy".......I spy the hoto that walked across the desert in stilettos


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I bet Esteban hasn't changed his casones yet!....GROSS!

Looks like a Honduras flag. Any of them that make their way in need to be told to leave that behind.
Willing to work, pay taxes, abide by our laws.....then come on in. If not, we have nothing for you.





I love these threads. Not because I give a rats backside about the plight of these people, but because they always remind me of what the American Indians must think everytime they see some white dude (or orange dude) running around complaining about unwanted people encroaching on his turf.


At least the American Indians put up a fight when the white man arrived. Allowing uncontrolled immigration will ultimately be the demise of my kind. Why would I take that lying down? I am as proud of my white heritage as any other race.....but I can't say that because it's racist.

You've already mentioned the laughable laws and enforcement we have around immigration which I agree is the culprit. The pendulum has swung far to the right with Trump and I'm afraid with the next elections it will not swing back to the center but all the way to the left which isn't going to leave us with the status quo but rather new laws enticing and encouraging immigration just making the problem worse.

Let's take all the politicians in DC and replace their sorry a$$e$ with all the immigrants and see if they are still in favor of opening our borders. They only want the vote and the power that goes with it. They celebrate when a minority becomes "one of them" on capitol hill but would be singing a different tune if "too many of them" started winning those positions.

[Scootertrash]

El, I just want to say that I appreciate your input from the point of view of somebody who's actually from there. It also sounds like you travel a lot and have experience with Crossing Borders which is another good point of view for some of us who don't.

I'm also willing to bet that the "papers" , if they actually had any, were paid for by the organizers of this Caravan, as well as some pretty healthy "donations" to influential local and national government officials along the route encouraging them to look the other way.

I have some more I'll add later but it sucks typing on my phone

[El Camexican]

El, I just want to say that I appreciate your input from the point of view of somebody who's actually from there. It also sounds like you travel a lot and have experience with Crossing Borders which is another good point of view for some of us who don't.

I'm also willing to bet that the "papers" , if they actually had any, were paid for by the organizers of this Caravan, as well as some pretty healthy "donations" to influential local and national government officials along the route encouraging them to look the other way.

I have some more I'll add later but it sucks typing on my phone

Could be they had help with papers, but what I was trying to express in my first reply to Sledcrazy is that survival here and further South without papers is brutally difficult. Passports aren’t hard to get, what’s hard to acquire is an American visa which I’m exempt from needing as a Canadian, but if a Mexican or anyone else wants one the requirements are a lot like a bank loan application. I know a number of people that have been turned down here and in China.

[ironchop]

Could be they had help with papers, but what I was trying to express in my first reply to Sledcrazy is that survival here and further South without papers is brutally difficult. Passports aren’t hard to get, what’s hard to acquire is an American visa which I’m exempt from needing as a Canadian, but if a Mexican or anyone else wants one the requirements are a lot like a bank loan application. I know a number of people that have been turned down here and in China.Interesting.

So in my experience, most Latin America immigrants that I know personally aren't Mexican Nationals at all but are almost all from south of May-hee-ko. This may indeed be different in other parts of the country but I only know one recent immigrant (15yrs now) and he's an ex bank exec from Mexico City with papers who works now as a machine operator in Kentucky. He said the prevalence of age discrimination in his field at home is why he left. He became a naturalized citizen at some point as did his wife.

When I had other Mexican national associates when I was a drywall contractor many moons ago most of them came and worked awhile and then left to go back home after 7-10 years. Manuel, a drywall finishing contractor and friend, was in America on a work visa but most of his crew were illegals. I learned alot about how they get over the border in various ways legally and illegally. I also learned about "coyotes"(?) who were white Texans that could be paid a fee per head to smuggle ppl here and Manuel used them often to get his deported crew members back in here. Literally they were rounded up in a sweep on a Thursday morning in Indianapolis Indiana and were back in Indianapolis working by the following Friday. It was THAT fast.

One day Manuel came to tell me goodbye and I was shocked and a bit sad to see him go. Hard worker. Very driven. Good conservative Catholic/Christian family values. Honestly a great person to have in your community. I asked him why he was leaving and he told me it was never meant to be permanent and that alot of Mexican Nationals just want to work for the good American money for a time to support their families at home and then they want to go back home to retire. They send their next generation up north to do the same thing for a time and keep rotating out to the younger generations as a way to keep large families supported. He told me (in 1995) that he had made enough money here in seven years to have a large house built back home that he paid cash outright for, for his extended family to live in and afterward had also amassed another $300K American in savings which he said he could "live like a king, my friend!" back home and be technically retired. I had no reason not to believe him but that may not be the case today.

My question is, since alot of my plant employees were from Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela, etc and some of them did indeed turn out to be using fake IDs and Social Security numbers, I'm assuming they are sneaking thru Mexico as well. Is this the case? I heard them mention "sponsors" which was usually a church organization or family members here in the US bankrolling these efforts so how does that work? Is there a large human smuggling market there in Mexico too?

I'm asking because I've already learned alot in this thread. I had always falsely assumed it was easy as F@#K to walk thru Mexico with no papers as long as you had cash to grease palms with.

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[Tri-Z 250]

I'm not jelly Fabio, it was a bit OT but the point wasn't clear. We have issues that stem from 100yrs ago that's nobody cares because of an image. Sadly Our ideal view of the melting pot and open arms to Welcome anyone wanting Freedom has become a refugee mess. You can't run today's Society on 100yr old mentality or values and expect to get good results. Fake News, you bet I can see no other reason...It's the left doing this, might backfire and just confirm what we already know. Could be funded by major construction companies looking to build a wall funneled through the left...hhhmmm. I'm sure most of the people pictured are good in nature just like the Amish folks. Human nature says they will all take an advantage if given it for economic or personal gain. Welfare to refugees any worse than Trillions of tax dollars not collected based on religion for a select group for 100+yrs...Not really it just shows you mess

[atc300r]

Geez.When my wife and I went on a cruise from Seattle Washington to Alaska last year we had to get pass ports .Even to go from NY to Canada we need passports or at minimum enhanced drivers licenses.

[ironchop]

.... Human nature says they will all take an advantage if given it for economic or personal gain. Welfare to refugees any worse than Trillions of tax dollars not collected based on religion for a select group for 100+yrs...

That's why Socialism never works

Also, it's not just limited to ppl who don't pay taxes for religious reasons. Here's one I just learned last week......followed by an interesting pic

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/07/news/companies/ncaa-revenue-billion/index.html

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[Arky-X]

Interesting.
One day Manuel came to tell me goodbye and I was shocked and a bit sad to see him go. Hard worker. Very driven. Good conservative Catholic/Christian family values. Honestly a great person to have in your community. I asked him why he was leaving and he told me it was never meant to be permanent and that alot of Mexican Nationals just want to work for the good American money for a time to support their families at home and then they want to go back home to retire. They send their next generation up north to do the same thing for a time and keep rotating out to the younger generations as a way to keep large families supported. He told me (in 1995) that he had made enough money here in seven years to have a large house built back home that he paid cash outright for, for his extended family to live in and afterward had also amassed another $300K American in savings which he said he could "live like a king, my friend!" back home and be technically retired. I had no reason not to believe him but that may not be the case today.


That doesn't surprise me. Problem with most Americans is we want to make the American $ and we want to live the American Dream which is a life of overindulgence.......big house.....big expensive gas guzzling vehicles....the best college for our kids that tuition loans can afford.....latest phone....latest trophy wife.....three wheelers. We work and work just to have the latest and greatest and then in the end, we die. Never knowing when to say enough is enough.
Many other cultures live a much simpler life so when a $ is earned, they know how to stretch it.

[Tri-Z 250]

^^^At third World tax rates...or Countries that don't continue to increase the values in property over Social growth.
You are correct in that we here offer the idea you can come work or educate yourself to the highest levels send yourself and money home setup economically advantaged. The idea that Obama let in the Boston duo as Refugees in an open flood to extend this notion of Equal immigration. Now somehow it's turned into this spin the Imagrants have American rights before they get here. One way or another visa, asylum or coyote if they really want in there's no stopping them from wanting to come.

[ironchop]

That doesn't surprise me. Problem with most Americans is we want to make the American $ and we want to live the American Dream which is a life of overindulgence.......big house.....big expensive gas guzzling vehicles....the best college for our kids that tuition loans can afford.....latest phone....latest trophy wife.....three wheelers. We work and work just to have the latest and greatest and then in the end, we die. Never knowing when to say enough is enough.
Many other cultures live a much simpler life so when a $ is earned, they know how to stretch it.I've been severely downsizing the last couple of years. Sold alot of toys off.

You can have the trophy wife. I wanted that many years ago, but now I like a woman with a job and resilience. Trophy wives are like fine art, you can hang it on the wall for all to admire but it's virtually worthless outside of that.

I agree with your assessment of American consumer culture. When I was a teenager raised on a farm, I wanted to run far away from that simple rural life as fast as I could. Planned to attend Veterinary school but decided I wanted to be a corporate attorney the year I hit college.... purely for the money and all that it affords. I read DuPont Registry and daydreamed about all the exotic cars inside and imagining the trophy wife I would have and the luxury I would pursue.

Took me a few years and a few reality checks to understand how fake and fruitless all that is and after a decade wasted finding my place, I ran as fast as I could right back to my rural roots to the people and culture who had always accepted me as I was and not for what I could do for them.

Only then did I appreciate my roots and I ain't never leaving again. The next phase is to learn to live a simpler life. I still like money so I'll have to de-program myself and I started by turning off my tv....maybe pay attention to other cultures that aren't so obssesed as ours.

Gonna be awhile before I give up my trike, though. Maybe swap it for a Big Red. Wife and I want to buy a small farm and grow stuff and become self-sufficient

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[ironchop]

.... The idea that Obama let in the Boston duo as Refugees in an open flood to extend this notion of Equal immigration. Now somehow it's turned into this spin the Imagrants have American rights before they get here. ....

Yeah he was following the EU Human Rights ideology to a tee.

Their problems and failures should be a lesson to us as well. We started following them into the river, but as we watch them drown in pathological Altruism, crime, and social debt, we should back away from the shore so to speak....and quick

A few have mentioned that we have always welcomed immigrants and refugees but that's not exactly the truth at all. As early as the Plymouth colony, even those folks wanted nothing to do with the newly arriving "outsiders" and forbid them from joining the colony and forbid colony members from fraternizing or doing business with outsiders from Europe. This has happened time and again throughout American history post-European early settling and even among "native" groups as well long before "fair skins" showed up

Xenophobia is neither new, nor an American phenomenon. It's genetically programmed.


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[El Camexican]

Interesting.

So in my experience, most Latin America immigrants that I know personally aren't Mexican Nationals at all but are almost all from south of May-hee-ko. This may indeed be different in other parts of the country but I only know one recent immigrant (15yrs now) and he's an ex bank exec from Mexico City with papers who works now as a machine operator in Kentucky. He said the prevalence of age discrimination in his field at home is why he left. He became a naturalized citizen at some point as did his wife.

This brings up something many Mexicans, especially the educated ones in the North get pissed about. The ratio of Mexicans to everybody else with brown skin that speaks Spanish and are illegally in the USA is pretty low compared to the conception of the average gringo and most of the Latino bangers Glamy loves to hang with were born in the US (albeit to illegals in many cases), but the skin tone and “vato/chicano” lingo gets them branded as “Mexicans” which is offensive to both them and the Mexicans. We do the same thing in Canada with the natives, most of what degenerate, white trash occupying rapist devils like myself call Indians are some sort of “metis”, or other blood mix with no defined identity, although the government is trying to invent one for them so they can pay them more money to not work and give them more leisure time to steal my sh*t for booze and dope. The vast majority of illegals I’ve seen in the USA are NOT from Mexico. If they are, then they came from the lowest of the low classes, or came in legally and didn’t go back after finding something that paid decent in cash. Most Mexicans I know that have lived in the States did so legally either by studying, opening businesses, or in the case of the less affluent, getting work visas and cutting meat, or bolting machinery together on assembly lines. Age and sex discrimination is legal here. Most job adds say “No one over 40 need apply” and most women are tested for pregnancy before they are hired. Nothing is taboo during a job interview. Harvey Weinstein would have loved this place. A husband, father or brother should always accompany a woman to a job interview.


When I had other Mexican national associates when I was a drywall contractor many moons ago most of them came and worked awhile and then left to go back home after 7-10 years. Manuel, a drywall finishing contractor and friend, was in America on a work visa but most of his crew were illegals. I learned alot about how they get over the border in various ways legally and illegally. I also learned about "coyotes"(?) who were white Texans that could be paid a fee per head to smuggle ppl here and Manuel used them often to get his deported crew members back in here. Literally they were rounded up in a sweep on a Thursday morning in Indianapolis Indiana and were back in Indianapolis working by the following Friday. It was THAT fast.

A “Coyote” can be any color and do a lot of different things for money. The best translation would probably be a "hustler", I was even branded one when I was crossing trucks daily, but in the case of human trafficking they are on both sides of the border. I’m told that the ones on the Mexican side interact with the cartels to make sure that no one messes up someone else’s schedules as they use the same routes in many cases. As you can imagine some people get used to smuggle drugs while crossing. These people are called “burros”. From what I hear the people that pay the right price to cross are treated well, feed and crossed professionally and quickly. The ones that end up strapped down with dope and crossed with a gun at their back opted for the payment plan package and picked the wrong travel agent. It so easy that some illegals come home for Christmas and go back afterwards and yes, this has to be facilitated by people living and working on the US side. You have a huge, but very quiet and unpublicized corruption problem on your side. It takes two (sides) to Tango. US border towns are drug distribution centers. Using Laredo as an example one only need look at the layout of the city and ask the question “Where did the money come from?” The shopping mall parking lots are full of high end cars all day and there’s not a single smoke stack in the city, just banks, brokers, malls and warehouses. When you fly over it all you see is massive ranches and gated neighborhoods. Yes there is a bad side of town, but it’s nothing compared to the good stuff. I don’t want to post much more about this on the net, but I would be happy to share a few more your side of the border stories over rums one day.


One day Manuel came to tell me goodbye and I was shocked and a bit sad to see him go. Hard worker. Very driven. Good conservative Catholic/Christian family values. Honestly a great person to have in your community. I asked him why he was leaving and he told me it was never meant to be permanent and that alot of Mexican Nationals just want to work for the good American money for a time to support their families at home and then they want to go back home to retire. They send their next generation up north to do the same thing for a time and keep rotating out to the younger generations as a way to keep large families supported. He told me (in 1995) that he had made enough money here in seven years to have a large house built back home that he paid cash outright for, for his extended family to live in and afterward had also amassed another $300K American in savings which he said he could "live like a king, my friend!" back home and be technically retired. I had no reason not to believe him but that may not be the case today.

Lots of people like that from here. Life in the USA is a rat race and these people are accustomed to working to live, not living to work mentality. Only a few can adapt to the American way of working. If they worked that hard in their own communities they would be shunned. It’s a weird thing, many here are proud of being lazy and hate when someone else gets ahead in life. As far as what it costs to live down here it all depends how you want to live. If you return to a farming village (Ejido) of a small town in the South $300K makes you a King. If you want to live in Mexico City, Guadalajara or Monterrey it would allow you to survive in a very small house, but you’d be financially hamstringed beyond survival. It’s a common misconception that it’s cheap to live in Mexico. That only applies if you are willing to adapt to a very different standard of living that you would be as a middle class American. A first world lifestyle costs more here than it does up there, only booze, smokes, fruits and vegetables cost less than in the USA. Houses, taxes, vehicles, land and a top level education are the same or more. Running a legitimate company is a nightmare and the legal system should you get caught up in it will kill you if you can’t fund things to your suit your best interests.


My question is, since alot of my plant employees were from Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela, etc and some of them did indeed turn out to be using fake IDs and Social Security numbers, I'm assuming they are sneaking thru Mexico as well. Is this the case? I heard them mention "sponsors" which was usually a church organization or family members here in the US bankrolling these efforts so how does that work? Is there a large human smuggling market there in Mexico too?

Yes, they would have come through here. I see them once in a while when driving to the States and a lot of them ride the rails, so you see them come through the city and beg on the streets whenever the train stops, but most stay as far away from the big cities and highways as possible because of shake downs. Everybody wants a piece of you down here from the government down. Haven’t heard much lately, but a few years back busses were getting high jacked and the occupants were gathered outside on the ground and given the option to either pledge to a gang, or die. There were a lot of bodies lying around back then. Whoever pledged was tasked accordingly. A pretty woman was put to work in the sex trade and a young guy was handed a gun. They rest did everything from work as slaves on pot farms to cross into the USA with a backpack full of dope with the motivation factor of his family being held in Mexico at gun point while he worked as a burro. I know the churches will take them and provide meals, but as far as money being donated specifically for this purpose I’ve never heard about it. I do know that it was easy to send money from the States to Mexico for families, but a lot of financial rules have changed here, so it may be getting taxed now.


I'm asking because I've already learned alot in this thread. I had always falsely assumed it was easy as F@#K to walk thru Mexico with no papers as long as you had cash to grease palms with.

I’m sure some people still bribe their way in, but I would speculate that it’s because they are criminally disqualified from getting papers VS not having the money as the bribes would likely exceed the cost of a passport. About ten years ago the Mexican government recruited thousands of law students to come work for S.A.T. which is our version of the IRS. These kids were educated and sent to the borders and was a huge turning point in border control. Previously the people working the border were hired based on extended nepotism and fired (and paid a handsome severance) every time a new President was elected. During this time in history you could have smuggled in an elephant for $100 and shakedowns were common, i.e. you have $500 worth of old crap in your truck and instead of charging you the correct $80 bucks in taxes they would tell you it was worth $1,000 and that you either pay them $50 bucks cash, or they will make you pay $160 at the window, sh*t like that. I really like the educated folks they have now.

[knappyfeet]

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I heard on the radio ahora that at this time......115 people were already allowed to apply for asylum.

Count em.....that's almost all the folks on the bridge.

Bienvenidos Estephan!!!...... I'm sure a tax payer funded gender reassignment operation is in your future Amorcita!!


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[ironchop]

As sledcrazy had already mentioned above...

Asylum is for people who are persecuted with a direct threat on their lives or freedom for political reasons (as in locked up for political dissidence)

Political refugees

Was Stefany part of the Honduran Trans party who was attempting to overthrow the democratically elected president of Honduras? A presidential republic?

WTF qualifies ANY of these people as political dissidents or refugees?

Words don't even mean anything anymore. Nobody cares what a word truly means. It's merely a noun/verb/adjective used to wordsmith and manipulate mob thought to serve agendas

Where are these authoritarian dictatorships that threatened the lives of these "political refugees"? Why isn't everyone asking exactly these things? Our media is so full of SH+T!

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[El Camexican]

Are you referring to the failed Honduran flip-flop revolution of 2017?

[ironchop]

Perhaps she tried to "identify" as the president of Honduras so that's why she's trying to escape to seek asylum

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[ironchop]

A tad off topic but what the heck....this is so classic. The virtue signallers out themselves as racists

https://youtu.be/yW2LpFkVfYk

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[tripledog]

Are you referring to the failed Honduran flip-flop revolution of 2017?

That was truly sandal less.

[ironchop]

I love me some intelligent and hot Canadians.

Introducing Faith Goldy...

https://youtu.be/3U6IJZ75BJ0

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