PNW inland temperate rainforest

[Jd110]

I’ve read there might be an inland temperate rainforest in Siberia, but this is the only one, I know, of in the world. It’s 600 miles from the Pacific Ocean.
Before the weather got cold I took a walk through the longest drainage in this mtn range, that has had no roads or logging since settlement.
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Headed for that saddle and figured I’d scramble up the peak.
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This is the drainage. I’ll post pictures from inside the canyon later.
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[coolpool]

Beauty country jd, thanks for sharing! Are you doing some elk or sheep hunting, and how's the grizzly situation in that area? I take it that you're backpacking and staying out by the looks of the distances.

[Jd110]

Beauty country jd, thanks for sharing! Are you doing some elk or sheep hunting, and how's the grizzly situation in that area? I take it that you're backpacking and staying out by the looks of the distances.

You bet! I was just out to see this area in the fall when the stream crossing are easier and less people. Only saw two really skittish deer in what was probably 25 miles. Was sorta surprised about that, but hey...it was a great 30 hrs spent.

[ATC King]

Uhm...yeah, sure.

This is what I'm envisioning when looking at those pictures.

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Bad kitty, scat, go away, I'm big and scary...and just trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro my pants. Long hike with adrenaline and shitty pants for that guy. A raw crack and the shakes for the rest of the day.

[Jd110]

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Notice how the trees and forest in general changes in a short distance. This is close to the creek. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/d528856ee90cf4602fbf6361eb078e40.jpg
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It’s absolute rage in the spring. Not recommended https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/9167f792da478e5da24ec1572c9a8a6c.jpg
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These deer are keen. This is as close as I got. Straight ahead on the trail.


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[Jd110]

Uhm...yeah, sure.

This is what I'm envisioning when looking at those pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktRhBcHza4

Bad kitty, scat, go away, I'm big and scary...and just trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro my pants. Long hike with adrenaline and shitty pants for that guy. A raw crack and the shakes for the rest of the day.
Um yeah right. I stopped watching it when he said ‘I’m big and scary’-backing up with all those big rocks at his feet?
So anyway, you are certainly welcome to check it out for yourself. A lot of this area is protected so it can wait.

[DAM shop]

Beautiful pics jd, I always thought there were 7 inland rainforest thru out the world. Not sure where and maybe they are not. The same type.

[Jd110]

It’s inland. The rest are coastal.
Furthermore, these mountains are older than all the other northern Rocky Mountains. They stood alone at what is estimated to be around 20,000 ft., when this was the coast(before Washington, Oregon and California emerged).
This is where you’ll find plant life that is found nowhere else, but a coastal temperate rainforest. With the prevailing winds that bring in lots of moisture from the Pacific Ocean and the massive Rocky Mountain in the back, it is a inland temperate rainforest.


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Back down near the valley.
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Now, to find my ride back to the truck. You see it?
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If you’ve ever gone out alone in a wild remote place, you know that your senses are at the highest. The smell of this is amazing, but the sounds and sights can make my hair stand up!

[ATC King]

The most vicious beasts in the forest are often the quietest.

It's when all the other animals stop making noise that I get to really listening.

Stupid squirrels...

[ironchop]

Fantastic pics! ...Beautiful place.

I could really use a solo hike up in there for about 72hrs to clear all of 2020 out of my head and reset.

Thanks for sharing

[Jd110]

I was up a favorite spot of mine again last August. Want to go to the top? I’ll show you what I found. Let’s go! sry for the scary mug shot. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250520/b73c7c9e56a96869b20950384cc85bcb.jpg
We’ll go up that little snow line you can barely see up the ravine.
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There use to be a fire lookout tower on top, but it blew down about 20 years ago.
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This is the reminder of that tower. I didn’t take a picture of it when I found it but this is what I found:
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It’s a piece of #2 bare solid copper that was used for lighting suppression on all towers. I wasn’t sure at the time I found it but hoped it was copper. So I made my first bracelet.
Can’t wait to go back!

[ATC King]

It'd do more people good if they got out and experienced nature. Real nature, not the tourist trap junk.

Of course, a lot of people don't belong in nature, don't have any skills to handle it, and will use their SPOT or sat phone to call in a bottle of water, but not a rescue. That's not a joke, it has happened.

Me, I'll have a difficult time making distance, because I'd be picking up and looking at rocks. I'd learn all I could about the geology before going too. There would be an eye loupe hanging around my neck, and I'd be using it.

[Jd110]

It'd do more people good if they got out and experienced nature. Real nature, not the tourist trap junk.

Of course, a lot of people don't belong in nature, don't have any skills to handle it, and will use their SPOT or sat phone to call in a bottle of water, but not a rescue. That's not a joke, it has happened.

Me, I'll have a difficult time making distance, because I'd be picking up and looking at rocks. I'd learn all I could about the geology before going too. There would be an eye loupe hanging around my neck, and I'd be using it.

I would never take anyone. Especially, someone with an eye loupe! Lol


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[Jd110]

I was kidding about the loupe. Everyone that knows me knows I have a hard time stopping when I get going. My dad and I use to do it with a group but that was years ago.
This mtn with the blown down tower was one of our first climbs together back when I was a youngster. The tower was erected by the forest service in the 50’s and blew down in ‘99. It was a fire lookout camp around 1917. A cabin was built in the 20’s and they built the first tower around the 30’s.
It is 7200’, that’s 5000’ above the valley. There is a nice 17 mile road that stops at the 1st lake at about 6000’. From there it is steep mile to the upper lake so probably 2mile to the top. One of the easiest spots to access the back country here. Everything else is a lot longer hike.
I went there last weekend to look around, again and boy was I surprised. I took the trike because I knew there’d be snow. I still have my bald tires but it took me as far as 4x4 machines went. I was the first up there but when I got back I could tell my machine got a ton of attention because there were foot prints all around it. So glad I had a key that day but I ended up loosing it and had to disconnect it with my tools I leave stored on the machine lol. You guys ever lose things?
Found some cool things if you care to see:
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As I was traversing this slope I spotted this hole and carefully backed up.
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Almost to the ridge.

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The hole I almost walked into looks tiny up here.
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This is the top facing the tower under the snow
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Oh, what this?
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Looks like a piece of junk copper tubing. If you haven’t seen what this can become I will try to make a cool bracelet out of it and show you sometime. This aged copper looks the best when it’s hammered out.
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What is this green strip in the ground?
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This was my surprise of the day. I’m going to glue it back together. Says 1939 china. I’m pretty sure it’s been under this rock since the 70’s when the tower was abandoned. Yes, I found the workers dump site.
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I filmed this on its last few tumbles.
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4x4 turned around up there just past the sun. Too soft. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250609/8014400cb480dc7c4797e1c26d98fa1a.jpg
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This is what I had to take off.
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A nice guy on a side by side came up to see if I needed a beer. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250609/2cb86ed741cfb1fbbaf7ac48b56280e6.jpg
Hey now, no key and it’s running. Yea! Cya

[ATC King]

Man, I'm already dying here from the heat and humidity. It's a two-three shirt day already, and a extra pair of undies depending on how much I'm moving around. Clothes are soaked with sweat and rubbing around within half an hour, and we've got until the end October before the days are comfortable again.

That is where I'd like to be living right now.

That bowl would have 'Made in China' on it now, nice score. The government has a lot of things like that made outside the US anymore, but they pay US made prices. Many of the uniforms are made in Mexico, and they're garbage, already have stitching coming loose out of the box. BTW, no sane person is really going to care you took that, but there are some that have nothing better to do than cause people problems. If that's public land, it's federal, and illegal to take ANYTHING from it, even so much as a flower. You may want to keep those pictures to yourself in the future.

That box is sweet. Bet it'll hold a lot of samiches.

[Jd110]

I feel for you guys. It was almost 90 here today, which is early for that temp.
I’m not sure where people looking for problems came from but that nonsense has happened for eons. But whatever…..I’m not here to encourage that.
As far as being illegal to take anything. Ok? I see your point about only taking pictures and leaving foot prints. But it’s not true about being illegal to take anything in the Idaho national forests.
I’d like you to try and spread that word to all the out of staters that come here to pick huckleberry’s. It might just scare them all away lol haha.

[Jd110]

Thought more about it and you make a good point. There are certainly things that are illegal to remove from public lands. Although I know for a fact you can remove and keep other things.
I don’t mind sharing what I find with others to see and enjoy. So I’ll stop by the museum in town to see if they would like it. There was a nice display on the fire lookouts and how many there were and how many remain in use, for recreation purposes.
As far as the garbage they left up there, some of the pits are open and full of cans. Someone stacked a few manageable rocks over some pits. They are visible but I guess someone out there may consider them artifacts.

[ATC King]

Thank you.

Yes, I was going to say that item may fall under the definition of artifact, which is kind of vague. It's not quite old enough for it to fit the age defined in the The Archaeological Resources Protection Act (ARPA), but it is still considered federal property, so that could be enough to make something stick.

Artifact laws can have some serious consequences, and it's temping to pick things up, not knowing.

The huckleberries can be harvested for private use, not commercial and if I was to look closer, I'm sure there's a daily limit, which going over may be considered commercial harvesting without a permit, and a big fine.

State and federal lands have different rules and laws and I've seen quite a few people who didn't know the difference between the two. Not saying that's you, it's just my experience. National Forests are controlled by the United States Forest Service, regardless of the state they're in, so any citation/charge there is going to be federal, and more difficult to defend than if it was state.

It's just best to not remove anything if there's any doubt. If in a park or other federal land and seeing someone in plain clothes picking plants, they may be native and have special permission. They could also be a college research group, or any other person/group with permission or a permit. I wouldn't base my actions off of others, it could result in a fine, and/or expulsion.

The Rangers aren't out to get the general public, but they are bound by law. Some things they may get to apply their judgement to, and others may be cut and dry. I'm not one to test that line. There's always the chance for extremists from the public too, people who get tied in knots over relatively trivial things, like cairns. That one gets brought up quite a lot, are they ok or not, let them stand or knock them down. I'm not getting mixed up in that discussion, I'm not building them or knocking them down, don't even need to read the laws.

We've got some federal land near us, but it didn't used to be, and we rode dirt bikes and ATVs all over there, wherever we wanted to go, open travel. After it became federal, it didn't take long for the locals to get the message, they would have to abide by the law. No more of that open travel, or plinking. I've never had a problem, I read the information they provide and stuck to it. I've only been stopped once or twice and asked the typical fishing questions, like the reason for my visit, and it never went beyond that. I miss what we had, but I can still enjoy it, and they've made a lot of improvements, short hiking trails, and even camping areas that don't have fees. What used to be really rough logging roads are now nice and wide, relatively smooth gravel.

There's an invertebrate fossil site down the road, that used to be on public accessible land and it was ok to take the fossils (only a few people knew where it was and were willing to go there), but now it's private. I've contacted the caretaker and they said they would ask the owner, but I haven't heard anything back. I wasn't even planning on taking anything, just wanted to help the owner discover the site and possibly get some professionals involved, because it's never been properly researched. They've had continual problems with poachers, and it's a difficult area to block access too. That much was mentioned.

Maybe to sum it up, I have enough experience with land use issues that I want to be part of the solution, not the problem. Not saying you're causing problems, it's just an expression.

Again, thank you for your reflection and reply. You've got a great place to live and ride.

[Jd110]

I say that, but I doubt they’d want it. It’s just a broken bowl with all the other trash the workers left behind. Anyway, I’m not worried about it nor am I convinced that any wrong doing has been done here. I’ll continue with what I do and I’m sure you will also.
If you go back to the first page 5 years ago and remember you saw something to oppose then too. I never saw that one, either. After all, peace brother….,it’s actually Jackson China 1939-Falls Creek, PA.
Edit: not sure how I can make up for the copper I ruined. That was actually a piece of history.

[Jd110]

Well…I found out I was absolutely wrong and way off base to assume that was garbage.
Clint, you are certainly correct in your statement about these being artifacts. It is a federal crime to even move it. You can bet I won’t do that again and I’ll spread the word as you so kindly did. Thank you, sir. And I apologize to anyone who took offense to my ignorance.
I took it to the forest service regional office this morning and they informed me also. They have it now but were disappointed about it.

[knappyfeet]

I love seeing your pics.

I didn't know any of this until King mentioned it. I understand you can't cut a tree & stuff but all that garbage?....I still would of taken it.

It's funny.... it seems it's all garbage. It's an "environmental crime" to remove artifacts (garbage) from the pristine natural forest. I bet 60 years ago environmentalists considered it an "environmental crime " to leave all that garbage in the pristine natural forest. If I left 7-11 cups, Top Romen bowls, Supertech oil containers & an old Ozark Trail tent there it would be an "environmental crime " to leave all that garbage in the pristine natural forest...... but if my grand kids in 60 years went to go get grandpa's stuff it would be an "environmental crime " to remove artifacts (garbage) from the pristine natural forest.

[Jd110]

Thanks knappy. I didn’t either but it’s kinda amazing how much he knows. I’d enjoy hiking with him.
I felt pretty guilty about it today….on one hand. But after talking to them this morning I wondered why it was all left there if it was so cherished.
I showed them all of the nails, broken glass, cans on and on. But they said it all tells a story and to please leave it alone. At first sight I think they loved that bowl. Mentioned it was really rare & it would be on display for others to see. They actually asked me to spread the word.

[ATC King]

Guys, It's not about feelings or opinions, it's about the law.

I prefer to help people avoid legal complications, that's all it is.

I'm not the one making the laws or enforcing them, I'm just trying to be a messenger. Federal laws aren't something to risk breaking, it's not like a simple speeding ticket, it can follow a person for life.

[ATC King]

Hey Knappy, you know Imperial Beach? The last condo on the end, the most SW private property in the US?

I looked for a better picture I took from inside to the beach, while I was having a beer, but this is all I found.

I've got better ways to spend my time than on here.

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[Jd110]

The way we spend our time needs to be enjoyable. So I did that again….

If we could just chill like him..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250618/de8635124da8f0d912001c9df2f2e489.jpg

[Pinkfincroaker]

Hey Knappy, you know Imperial Beach? The last condo on the end, the most SW private property in the US?

I looked for a better picture I took from inside to the beach, while I was having a beer, but this is all I found.

I've got better ways to spend my time than on here.

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Thats what we call the Mexican sewer hole .......don`t go in the water ........you`re pecker will fall off !:Bounce:Bounce:Bounce:lol::Bounce:Bounce:Bounce

[Jd110]

Well…guess I’ll take it as a warning.
I’ll continue and maybe make more visits to our wild places. I hope you do too. If you read history you know who thank for this nations wild and roadless areas. I believe it was intended as a reserve. Hence, all the fire lookout towers.
Please take this as a learning lesson if you didn’t already know. I’m attracted to picking up trash in forest but will make sure it isn’t over 50 y/o, now. Thanks for your consideration.