Delta variant [Archive] - Page 3

ironchop

12-22-2021, 06:23 PM

So.........I saw this today

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/12/21/22847452/what-are-new-treatments-for-covid-omicron-doctors-eying-remdesivir-intermountain-healthcare

Next, read this in case you forgot when they said all of this.....

https://www.science.org/content/article/very-very-bad-look-remdesivir-first-fda-approved-covid-19-drug

The sad thing is that they don't even keep up with their bullshit....... And honestly after seeing how many people, even people who have never trusted the government, ran on down to get in line for this, I'm not surprised. They mind f**led the whole country.

They played on your compassion:
"It's just to protect someone's NaNa. You don't want to kill someone's NaNa!"

TOTAL gaslighting, but it worked flawlessly on alot of people who didn't recognize that psychological tactic

They played people's fears of the virus while giving perhaps the WORST medical advice I've EVER SEEN. This is why you have people wearing home-made t-shirt masks and pretending like Pro Medical never realized the potential of a surgical mask made of tshirts with funny sayings printed on them from 3rd world Asian slave labor as seen on Amazon..... Oh, and you can wash your t-shirt mask with your underwear because Tide and Kenmore are the same thing as an autoclave. This is acceptable from the CDC. Hardly any emphasis on hand washing. Was there a hand washing mandate? Why not? Hands transmit more disease than your mouth does. What kind of "effective guidance"was this?

Someone else already pointed out the "If you feel sick, sit tight and don't cube to the hospital unless you're REALLY sick. You will overwhelm our hospitals"

You know what's overwhelming? Having 214 people in your ER instead of 60 because you told everyone to let their sickness fester and take a good hold of your body, don't take any effective OTC treatments and wait till you get worse

Or the penultimate............."vaccinated" people aren't vaccinated against unvaccinated people because that's not what "vaccinated" means after all. Vaccinated means you might not die, but you'll definitely get sick. WTF?

The FDA, NIH is a damn joke at this point. Zero real leadership coming from there and no solid scientific factual reporting. It's all about kissing Pfizer's tooshie because Scott GOTTLIEB.

I'm trying very hard to not be mad, disappointed, or disgusted with the ENTIRE medical establishment at this point. I have life threatening issues that I should get treated but to be honest, I can't trust anything I hear anymore. Everyone is in this for the money and I can no longer trust that I'm getting an unbiased medical opinion, or if I'm just being read bullet points from a Pfizer pamphlet and paying through the nose for it.

I'll likely never seek treatment for any sort of cancer either, because 40 years later and billions raised by the American cancer society and still we are no further along significantly in cancer treatment than we were 20 or 30 years ago. We still fry organs with radiation and kill tissues with chemotherapy and then look the other way about the toll those treatments have on the human body. Anything ground-breaking is suppressed or purchased and removed from the market. If Cancer treatments weren't worth trillions of dollars to the medical professionals, we would most certainly already have a cure for this disease...... They would charge $150,000/dose for it, but we would have it nonetheless.

I have been told my numerous medical professionals that they would speak out but are afraid to lose their jobs....... I'm very disappointed in that response and it reduces my faith in medicine even more. I'm not sure if I really need what they are suggesting or if they're just shilling Pharma 'solutions'. Quite a few friends have expressed these same disappointments. If I were a business in the business of treating people for disease, I would hire a PR firm to address this, but these folks are arrogant and think(rightfully so) that we are programmed to trust "medical professionals" and therefore they don't have to address our valid concerns.

Further reading from the Wayback machine:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/30/remdesivir-drug-coronavirus-gilead/

And this one has some really good nuggets of info in it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2021/01/31/remdesivir-covid-coronavirus/?sh=474dc866c27d

So I didn't know that a new Tamiflu study in 2013 found that it's useless which means Roche must've lied on their application. Just think of all the money they made selling a useless flu treatment...... They hand out Tamiflu like candy at my doctor so I guess my doctor just trusts whatever he was told by the pharmaceutical company. That's not the medical treatment I want from my doctor.

Oh look.......I can get sound medical advice from Time Magazine. What do we even need the FDA for?

https://time.com/5865491/remdesivir-covid-study/

ironchop

12-22-2021, 07:20 PM

So after you read the links above, here's a professor calling herself a scientist, explaining how Remdesivir works using scientific terminology sprinkled with facts, and then she TOTALLY LIES at the end of the article regarding the trials for remdesivir. She claims that all initial testing was positive and showed to be very effective as a treatment regimen. She must've read a COMPLETELY different set of studies than were quoted by the media in the links above............ Complete Shilling, but hey "she's a scientist" and if you don't believe her, then the logical thing to say is to gaslight you into thinking that you're questioning "science" as a whole because you questioned the opinion of a college professor.

https://theconversation.com/remdesivir-explained-what-makes-this-drug-work-against-viruses-137751

fabiodriven

12-22-2021, 08:11 PM

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Scootertrash

12-23-2021, 01:25 PM

Looks like I have some catch-up reading to do :D:beer

I just built one of those ShelterLogic tent/garages so I can move some of my sh!t out of my house garage and try to get some sh!t done and start working on motorcycles again. That is, after I finish with my accumulated automotive repairs.:rolleyes:

Scootertrash

12-23-2021, 02:33 PM

Shep this stuff is going to destroy the planet. I'm actually going out to the garage right now to work on my SX, but if everyone just pretended this world isn't what it is, well, then you'd end up exactly where we are now because that's precisely how we got to this point.

EXACTLY!!!

It's amazing how many people have accepted this BS and are willing to live with it, mainly for convenience. They poo-poo it off, "I'm tired of hearing about it"...

They don't understand that that is exactly what "they" want: complacency, acceptance and compliance........

kiser

12-23-2021, 10:50 PM

Ironchop, hopefully you do ride up to Fabios, I'm close to him and would like to catch up with you. It's been several years since we talked at TF and a lot has happened since then.

ironchop

12-26-2021, 09:16 PM

Ironchop, hopefully you do ride up to Fabios, I'm close to him and would like to catch up with you. It's been several years since we talked at TF and a lot has happened since then.

Hell yeah, man that would be awesome.

Been too long ago for sure

fabiodriven

12-27-2021, 01:58 AM

The totality of this situation is really starting to come to fruition. As far as I can tell, a huge amount of the population is unaware of the actions globally as far as covid goes right now. Even amongst people who think they're up on the news. I said something to a friend the other night about people uprising around the planet right now against covid regulations and he scoffed as if that wasn't happening, so I sent him five or six videos of gatherings in countries around the planet. He had no idea. I wonder if he knows about the covid camps in Australia and China? I wonder how many people reading this are aware of either? The only place I've been seeing information about this stuff is on telegram. I've seen nothing about either of those subjects on YouTube and I have a feeling that's not by accident.

Anyone who doesn't see what's coming at this point is a lost cause. Personally I'm highly suspect of Trump right now pushing the death jab. Alex Jones has been right far too often lately. It started with one jab then it was two. Israel is coming up on what? Four or possibly five, I forget. In two years it will be a daily jab.

For the people who have been sitting on the sidelines, that's not going to work out well for anyone anymore. If you're going along or avoiding the topic with people then you cannot complain once you're in that cattle car. There is no shame in ridiculing people for wearing face diapers that do nothing to protect them from anything. They're the lunatics, not us.

I talked to a doctor last week and he said to me "You know masks don't do anything right?" His best health advice involved ammo and canned goods and I'm not making that up. That's the reality we're currently in.

It seems more and more likely the same people who made the virus are selling you the shot. If you step back and take everything in, we have plentiful, cheap, effective treatments ready for use day one, yet they hide it causing thousands of deaths on purpose. We all saw that happen. Does anyone think they are done killing? Think about it. Look at the wealth transfer that's taken place. The drug companies are now forces to be reckoned with globally, almost on par with some countries.

Is anyone here aware of how many jabbed people died playing sports this past week? That's a serious question by the way. I'm curious if anyone has. It's alarming.

None of it adds up, every intention seems nefarious here. The argument should be over at the point you discuss the fact that you can still catch the virus even after you're jabbed, but in this sex change racist math world it makes complete sense that experimental drugs provided by companies with complete amnesty that don't even protect you from the virus the same people created would be a good idea. All while they're literally vacuuming up the combined wealth of the entire planet mind you, but oh just take the jab. They literally could end up owning our country. I used to think Trump was the way, but if he's going to keep this vaccine bee ess up then he can frig right off. Shite is getting serious now.

Isn’t it astonishing to see people who lived through the Vietnam conflict and the cold war now begging the government to govern me harder daddy? It's bizarro world! Rage Against the Machine? Lol! Soundtrack to a rebellion I thought, but look at them now. Look at Glamy. Who would have seen that coming? I'm at odds with so many people, it's sad. This is exactly what I pictured when potato said it was going to be a dark winter. They've done it. They've cast their net of doom and gloom and fear around the world, and I truly do believe they are evil people. I do.

I've been dealing with some cabin fever, phuck the holidays seriously. Maybe someday that will change for me but for now phuck em. It's been tough. I thought I might like to escape to Thailand for a bit and I can't even do that. These monsters are gripping the entire planet right now and people need to wake up and put this bee ess down before it becomes an unavoidable way of life. They will have to kill me before I play along with their crap, and don't think they're going to back off based on hopes and dreams. These people are playing for keeps, and the more people that play along with them the more power they have.

fabiodriven

12-27-2021, 02:05 AM

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fabiodriven

12-27-2021, 03:43 AM

I don't know who this guy is so I don't know how relevant his predictions are, but it's still an interesting scenario to consider.

"When drug companies make claims for political assets, embassies, and military bases, then you know that drug companies are on par with or more powerful than governments"

https://healthythinking.substack.com/p/when-drug-companies-make-claims-for

fabiodriven

12-27-2021, 04:00 AM

Someone shared this post with me earlier but as far as I can tell I think it may be gone now. That could mean it was total crap and therefore removed, or it could be removed for the direct opposite reason, so it's anybody's guess really. Since it's gone I'm going to post about it.

When the post was still up most of the comments were questioning the validity, but again it is a thought that should at least be given some consideration. If you had told me in 2019 about what would be coming in the next two years I would have been shocked. I don't think anything is off the table at this point. It seems war, famine, and atrocities are getting inescapable. I was very young during the cold war so my perception wasn't quite there but this seems a lot more serious and a lot further along.

According to the trend lately, I'd say an idea like this should be considered. The way things are going I mean.... Could be total shite, I don't know. I don't doubt anything anymore and I believe even less.

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fabiodriven

12-27-2021, 04:08 AM

Alex Jones latest updates about Trump

https://rumble.com/vrewgj-alex-jones-latest-updates-about-trump.html

Billy Golightly

12-27-2021, 08:17 AM

When answering the question, Fauci also signaled that a vaccine mandate for domestic air travel could work as a mechanism for individuals to get vaccinated.

"A vaccine requirement for a person getting on the plane is just another level of getting people to have a mechanism that would spur them to get vaccinated; namely, you can't get on a plane unless you're vaccinated, which is just another one of the ways of getting requirements, whatever that might be," Fauci said.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fauci-removing-masks-on-airplanes-not-something-we-should-even-be-considering

And liberal acquaintances of mine in mid 2020 were literally shredding me as anti-america provocateur for suggesting that government would attempt to limit ingress/egress of individuals based on vaccination or infection status at some point. There you go...

Billy Golightly

12-27-2021, 08:59 AM

i watched the alex jones video. That was kinda interesting. The last final point about how the guy made the point that biden is only crediting trump with the vaccine because they are setting up the failure/side affects of it that are going to be acknowledged in the not so near future, whewee man...that's rough. but it makes sense. a lot of it made sense. Not sure how true it is, but it's logically possible, for sure...like most things, the truth probably lays somewhere in the middle.

I was ostracized by many conservatives for not really being interested in the vaccine because it was "Trumps vaccine" - and I'm still ostracized by liberals for "not being patriotic and risking other people" by not being interested in the vaccine. this was why i asked the question recently of - how exactly am i a higher risk to others, that are vaccinated, if I am not? do i carry a higher viral load, or what is the practical side of this assumption? I still have yet to actually have even an understanding of that argument, muchless actually believe it. Still looking for an explanation for that one, too, seriously.

I guess I am a risk to myself, and If I'm laying in a hospital bed choking to death and cant breathe because my lungs are full of phlegm I might have last minute second guesses of the decision. But one thing is indisputable so far, and that is the fact that the government and the major policy makers (ie the corporations that pay the lobbyists that actually write the laws and bills and guidelines for the law makers, that the law makers then vote on without even reading of course...) have had an absoloutely unprecedented up tick in their power, control, and oversight of the world population and world governments.

Maybe this whole thing is a precursor to true one-world new world order style government. Consider the fact that world has become completely centralized over this virus and the vaccines for it. No other unit, currency, or element has as universally connected and centralized the world population as this stuff. I'd say oil was the closest thing before. But now its viruses and vaccines. Every person on the planet, every country, every government is interlinked because of this. No coincidence that when Rockefellar's standard oil as broken up that much of his money and diversified companies went into pharma i think.

Our country in particular (to me at least) was always a marvel at our decentralization in the sense that we had such an independent, scattered, spread out series of industries and production (that was really a by product of the capitalist system, operated by individuals, and not an overseeing government/entity) that, you know, it wasn't like that if some head beauracrat over the "department of machine shops" got hit by a proverbial bus, that all machine shops in the US suddenly wouldn't have any direction or guidance on what to do, or the head beauracrat over the "department of farming" got hit by a proverbial bus, farmers wouldn't care and they'd keep doing what they do. If a natural disaster like a tornado touched down and destroyed a shipping warehouse somewhere in the country, there are many others independently operated and ran to help pick up its slack. It's not like that in other places in the world. The US has had a very specialized, educated, and decentralized ability to operate in almost all different industries on their own. Decentralization is hard to control, or stamp out, by definition.

But now, there is an over-arching, controlling, commonality. Covid19, the vaccines, and the requirements and processes associated with them reach every industry, every government, every individual on the planet. They are allowing themselves, their productivity, and dare i say it, their own minds, to be beholden to this.

That part, is scary to me. It is kind of the death of the individual.

Scootertrash

12-27-2021, 10:00 AM

It is kind of the death of the individual.

I think this is the main reason behind all of this COVID crap, i.e: "We're all in this together...........

Scootertrash

12-27-2021, 08:20 PM

Here's some info on a couple more drugs for COVID, along with a little info on Pfizer's "FDA Approved" drug Corminaty:

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/reindeer-games-2/

knappyfeet

12-27-2021, 11:43 PM

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 12:04 AM

Just like most local health departments...Washington state department of health published the study of COVID-19 cases between ages, vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

In San Diego County its the same thing.....the unvaccinated are driving the numbers. What's promising in every study I've read is ....it's not that the fully vaccinated can't get the virus (5X less likely) ......but their hospitalization rates and death rates are proportionally lower.

That's the hope

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Well Washington state seems to be the exception, and I only stopped at three references here.

CDC MMWR released a report today detailing the first 43 confirmed Omicron cases in the U.S. Among these early cases, nearly 80% were vaccinated, there was one hospitalization & no deaths. The majority of patients had mild symptoms.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7050e1.htm

STUNNING COVID DATA FROM DENMARK

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/stunning-covid-data-from-denmark

Whoa! Official Data Confirms “Fully Vaccinated” Account For 9 Out Of Every 10 “COVID-19” Deaths Since August!

https://thewashingtonstandard.com/whoa-official-data-confirms-fully-vaccinated-account-for-9-out-of-every-10-covid-19-deaths-since-august/

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 12:40 AM

So the answer to my question is 5 jabbed athletes died this week while playing sports. This article says 4 but there was another one. Vibrant, young, active, healthy athletes dying on the field with heart conditions.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/horror-four-young-soccer-stars-four-different-countries-die-week-suffering-sudden-heart-attack/

knappyfeet

12-28-2021, 01:50 AM

Well Washington state seems to be the exception

Hardly.

The first 3 illustrations are from my county and my state. I'm more interested in hospitalizations and deaths as they illustrate a bigger picture......vaccinations reducing serious illness.

The last 2 are of Arizona and your state Ohio. It seems Ohio is doing good.

These are states I frequent the most....and Nevada...but I can't find that data on their website.

Whatever you posted about those young athletes succumbing to heart failure.....I don't know what that's about.

May God rest their souls.

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fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 02:11 AM

See that's the thing. Even if those numbers are accurate, which I question them myself, the amount of adverse reactions is something to take into consideration. Shouldn't those be taken into consideration when counting numbers? I have a feeling they're going to get worse over time but I hope I'm wrong.

The reason why I question the numbers provided is because more often than not I see people analyze these situations after the fact and explain how these numbers were obtained, and many times numbers provided by a "certain side" of all of these agendas are grossly inaccurate based on stretching of the truth, playing with numbers, or just flat out lies. They've been caught many times fudging the numbers of deaths already, so I'm very hesitant to take the "official" word. Everyone knows they were counting everything they possibly could as a covid death in the name of profit, now the profit has migrated more towards the narrative that the vaccines are working so simply skew the numbers over that way.

Also, trusting the pharmaceutical industry is an extremely bad idea. They thrive on your illness, and they're going to profit off every adverse reaction they get to treat as well.

There's a docu-drama called "Dopesick". It's a lot to watch, I think it's 9 episodes or something, but once again the lack of awareness of the American people will be their downfall. If you truly knew what these companies do, what they cause, and how they operate, you wouldn't take a phone call from them never mind an injection. Your health is not these people's interest, not in the least. Their interest is profit and power. They pretty much own the government agency tasked with overseeing them and they operate with near impunity. Anyone who is willing to deal with these people after learning what they're about, God bless them, but they have killed millions already and nobody's done a thing to slow them down. I promise you they haven't had a change of heart since intentionally causing a massive opioid epidemic in this country, and anyone who doesn't realize the scale of what they cause it would make you sick to your stomach if you did. And they walk away with billions of dollars of profit after they wreak havoc on this country.

I don't like drugs and drug dealers myself. There are plenty of far more effective and safe treatments available. Drug dealers have had a massive negative impact on the world.

https://openvaers.com/covid-data

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 03:08 AM

Here's where the games begin. They always play games, there's always a catch.

From the same Washington state department of health website, most from that same study. They're doing something by classifying "breakthrough cases" differently and leaving themselves an opening with the linking methods.

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fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 03:25 AM

Everyone ready for this? Ready to see how they fool you?

"The unvaccinated population is defined by subtracting the number of vaccinated and partially vaccinated individuals for the specified age group and time period from the entire Washington state population 12 years and older."

I had to think about this for a while, I could see there was a rouse there and I got it, lol. This is exactly what I was talking about when I said they play with numbers.

Those numbers are actually NOT the true number of covid hospitalizations by percentage of total people admitted with covid or dead from covid. What you're looking at is the amount of vaccinated people hospitalized (which is underrated if you read their own words as they only counted cases that met their strict criteria) and killed by covid vs the entire rest of the population who haven't necessarily even been sick or to the hospital. They're comparing vaccinated people who are sick vs unvaccinated sick or not. Does everyone understand that?

See how they operate? Why lie?

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fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 03:57 AM

Your San Diego chart counts the population in the same way the Washington chart does, it says right underneath it. I bet every single one of those charts you shared tallies the same way. I'm curious if the departments providing this material are overseen by democrats or RINOs. Anyone care to take a wager?

Billy Golightly

12-28-2021, 08:31 AM

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-data/covid19_data_latest.pdf

Florida data - showing big jump with increase of omicron infections. 125k vs 29k the previous week. and the week before that there were only 13k new cases state wide.

71% of total state population is vaccinated.

They do not seem to track hospitalizations - which has been mentioned elsewhere now seems to be a more important benchmark rather than just simple infection.

Scootertrash

12-28-2021, 09:55 AM

knappyfeet

12-28-2021, 12:52 PM

Your San Diego chart counts the population in the same way the Washington chart does, it says right underneath it.

I'm sure they all do.

It's a generally accepted data collection method used by universities and medical institutions nationwide shared worldwide. I do not see or understand your objections.

The understanding that you take the partially vaccinated and fully vactionated and deduct that amount from the entire population to get the "unvaccinated" count is simple math. The unvaccinated poulation...no matter their makeup is just as susceptible as any human of contracting covid...so the variations of that group are irrelevant.

I know of one young girl that was allergic to some chemical in all 3 vaccines. She was ineligible to be vaccinated....but with her current medical condition she elected to be a test participant in receiving Moderna over an 8 hour time frame....being medically observed the entire time. It was a success for her and hopefully it'll give some hope for folks that are in her same situation.

Just take a look at Ohios study and tell me that's not a success.....at this moment in time.

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 02:01 PM

I'm sure they all do.

It's a generally accepted data collection method used by universities and medical institutions nationwide shared worldwide. I do not see or understand your objections.

The understanding that you take the partially vaccinated and fully vactionated and deduct that amount from the entire population to get the "unvaccinated" count is simple math. The unvaccinated poulation...no matter their makeup is just as susceptible as any human of contracting covid...so the variations of that group are irrelevant.

I know of one young girl that was allergic to some chemical in all 3 vaccines. She was ineligible to be vaccinated....but with her current medical condition she elected to be a test participant in receiving Moderna over an 8 hour time frame....being medically observed the entire time. It was a success for her and hopefully it'll give some hope for folks that are in her same situation.

Just take a look at Ohios study and tell me that's not a success.....at this moment in time.

Knappy, they're not comparing what you think. They're not comparing the number of sick people total and then giving you the percentage of total sick broken down between vaccinated and unvaccinated. They're comparing vaccinated sick people vs the entire rest of the population. Do you understand?

Do you know why they do that? Because they don't want you to see the true numbers of of vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalized. Any guesses as to why that is? Are you understanding what they're doing here?

Yes I'm telling you Ohio's numbers are likely not a success, but nobody would be able to know that until they give the number of unvaccinated hospitalized.

And your "success" story about the little girl is disturbing. The real success would have been if someone had been able to get her parents to understand that she doesn't need that poison injected into her in the first place. Children rarely get covid and next to none die from it. Her likelihood of getting injured or killed by the "vaccine" (experimental drug, not a vaccine) are exponentially greater than the likelihood the democratic virus would ever harm her. She would have been far better off to get the virus then be immune.

knappyfeet

12-28-2021, 03:28 PM

They're not comparing the number of sick people total and then giving you the percentage of total sick broken down between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Yes I'm telling you Ohio's numbers are likely not a success, but nobody would be able to know that until they give the number of unvaccinated hospitalized.

Haha!.....that's EXACTLY what they are comparing!........ I don't know how you can extrapolate anything else!.....Hahaha!

In fact my first chart from Washington differentiates between unvaccinated, partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated. The entire report was probably created to illustrate the effects that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have on the covid positive test rate, hospitalizations and deaths.

It's a rainy day here and I'm sick of sanding my fender.....that's why I'm arguing with you haha!

I love you man but on the real tho.......if you say that Ohio is not likely a success from vaccinations (60% of population) then you just shot a hole in your "credibility boat" so big a Sperm Whale can swim through it sideways.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211228/be5bda2f48b664cfd925f393575db864.jpg

Edit.....also the young girl is in her 20s. I guess I should have said young woman instead......my apologies

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 03:53 PM

Haha!.....that's EXACTLY what they are comparing!........ I don't know how you can extrapolate anything else!.....Hahaha!

In fact my first chart from Washington differentiates between unvaccinated, partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated. The entire report was probably created to illustrate the effects that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have on the covid positive test rate, hospitalizations and deaths.

It's a rainy day here and I'm sick of sanding my fender.....that's why I'm arguing with you haha!

I love you man but on the real tho.......if you say that Ohio is not likely a success from vaccinations (60% of population) then you just shot a hole in your "credibility boat" so big a Sperm Whale can swim through it sideways.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211228/be5bda2f48b664cfd925f393575db864.jpg

Edit.....also the young girl is in her 20s. I guess I should have said young woman instead......my apologies

Knappy you're not understanding. They told you in black and white on their chart.

Read this carefully; they DO NOT anywhere in their page give you the number of unvaccinated people hospitalized. They ONLY provide you with the numbers of VACCINATED people hospitalized, not UNVACCINATED. They're comparing the number of VACCINATED people hospitalized vs the entire remaining population of the state, whether they be sick, healthy, hospitalized or not. They clearly tell you that, read it again.

"THE UNVACCINATED POPULATION IS DEFINED BY SUBTRACTING THE NUMBER OF VACCINATED AND PARTIALLY VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS FOR THE SPECIFIED AND AGE GROUP AND TIME PERIOD FROM THE ENTIRE WASHINGTON STATE POPULATION 12 YEARS AND OLDER"

The comparison they're giving you IS NOT vaccinated sick vs unvaccinated sick because they are not showing you the number of unvaccinated sick. They are comparing vaccinated sick vs the entire rest of the population. Please think about this.

The reason they are not showing you vaccinated sick vs unvaccinated sick is because the numbers would be startling to someone like you who is only now being shown the true figures. You have been lied to my friend, but not technically. You've been mislead. They are actually kind of truthful with their chart but you have to be smart enough to decipher what it is they're presenting, and they're not presenting what you believe they are.

knappyfeet

12-28-2021, 05:46 PM

Read this carefully; they DO NOT anywhere in their page give you the number of unvaccinated people hospitalized. They ONLY provide you with the numbers of VACCINATED people hospitalized, not UNVACCINATED.

read carefully...THEY DO!

From the same report.

An X,Y line graph. Colors indicate unvaccinated....partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated. Take your parallel ruler and go to the Y axis and find the "case rate per 100,000 population" for each catagory...add the total for all three for a specific period of time and calculate the percentages for each.

What's promising is if you look at the line graph from the covid case rate and compare that to the line graph from the hospitalization rates.... It shows that even when case rates rise for the fully vaccinated population the hospitalization rates remain level….. suggesting the vaccine helps prevent serious illness.

I'm done

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fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 06:41 PM

read carefully...THEY DO!

From the same report.

An X,Y line graph. Colors indicate unvaccinated....partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated. Take your parallel ruler and go to the Y axis and find the "case rate per 100,000 population" for each catagory...add the total for all three for a specific period of time and calculate the percentages for each.

What's promising is if you look at the line graph from the covid case rate and compare that to the line graph from the hospitalization rates.... It shows that even when case rates rise for the fully vaccinated population the hospitalization rates remain level….. suggesting the vaccine helps prevent serious illness.

I'm done

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No no, you're not done yet. You're going to get this into your head.

They have tricked you. They are very clearly comparing vaccinated hospitalized vs the entire rest of the population of unvaccinated whether or not they are sick or have ever been hospitalized. They very clearly state that.

Don't run away from the truth Knappy, face it. They very clearly show the amount of vaccinated hospitalized but nowhere in that entire page do they tell you the number of unvaccinated hospitalized from covid. I have searched the entire page, it's not there.

There is absolutely no way you can get an accurate comparison without knowing the number of unvaccinated hospitalized, period. End of discussion. You need to realize that they're tricking not only you, but thousands of other people who refuse to see the truth. It's all there in black and white. There is no need for explanations, "what abouts", asterisks, or any of that. If they wanted to present you with the cold, hard facts there would be no need for explanations. Just lay the two numbers side by side, and they're not doing that.

This is exactly what I was talking about, exactly what I suspected from the time I first saw your numbers. I knew they were wrong, they're far too fantastical. Listen to me and listen to what the people presenting this information are telling you. They're not lying, they just fooled you into thinking this is a comparison between unvaccinated and vaccinated hospitalized. What it is is a comparison between vaccinated hospitalized vs the rest of the population hospitalized or not. If they gave you the real numbers of vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalized you'd be scared of what's swimming around in your blood right now, and you should be.

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 09:53 PM

Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

fabiodriven

12-28-2021, 09:57 PM

Midazolam was used to end the lives of thousands who you were told had died of Covid-19 & an NHS document proves Staff were ordered to do it

https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/08/02/nhs-staff-ordered-to-overdose-patients-with-midazolam-for-covid19/

El Camexican

12-29-2021, 12:04 AM

This raised my eyebrows:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211224/first-omicron-death-in-u-s-was-reinfection

First Omicron death after how long and how many cases?

So since Omicron hit US soil how many people have died of car wrecks, overdoses, cancer, diabetes, bear attacks, lightening strikes, or spontaneous combustion?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/omicron-estimated-be-586-coronavirus-variants-us-cdc-2021-12-28/

Scootertrash

12-29-2021, 03:28 PM

i think the really serious key information to ALL the COVID deaths is listing the pre-existing conditions of those who die.

I'm quite certain that HEALTHY individuals ARE NOT the main group of people dying FROM COVID.

I would also like to know how many health care workers are actually DYING from COVID

Scootertrash

12-29-2021, 03:31 PM

fabiodriven

12-29-2021, 10:22 PM

I would like to point out how difficult a battle we're in here, when you show someone how they've been tricked and their lack humility doesn't allow them to accept that fact. Their lack of humility is then transformed into a lack of compassion for their fellow human being. Rather than realizing they have been duped, accepting, and joining the fight to warn other innocent souls, they choose to preserve their own ego. It's difficult to watch when others put their ego ahead of their own well being, but it's disturbing when they make that choice for their fellow man.

It's much easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled.

Scootertrash

12-30-2021, 10:47 AM

It's much easier to fool a man than it is to convince him he's been fooled.

X10

Here's a lot more information from out Northern neighbors.....

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf

ironchop

12-30-2021, 01:05 PM

FFS.......

"FULLY VACCINATED" is a pliable metric..... This is what I was trying to explain to Rick and everyone else who keeps up with the "look at this study of fully vaccinated people versus not vaccinated"

"99% of all people who got FULLY vaccinated didn't go to the hospital!"..... A month later, after a bunch of vaccinated people get sick anyway(confirmed by mainstream media so you can't pretend like you didn't know).... And then the CDC/NIH/FDA just moved the Goalpost so that now "FULLY VACCINATED" means three shots instead of two. So how EVERYONE who got sick ANYWAY after receiving their "vaccinations" can NOW have their infections counted IN THE UNVACCINATED COLUMN IN THE CHARTS AND GRAPHS....... Do you see how this works now? You're no longer vaccinated like you thought and now, despite having TWO SHOTS, your "breakthrough infection" is now Statistically counted as being "unvaccinated" and then some well-meaning people will quote that study to each other and it's basically terribly flawed and full of bullshit

Each time a vaccinated person gets sick OR DIES, and they move the booster Goalpost again(Denmark is now saying six boosters is the protocol there) then that means everyone vaccinated with one less shot tham the NIHWHO recommends that's sick or dead is now a statistic in the "unvaccinated column"..... How convenient for these pharma pushers

This isn't science following proper study protocol. This is a bunch of statistics twisted to serve a narrative and another who actually reads these studies would see that.

You can't say follow the science when science is not being practiced here

Example: Rick gets fully vaccinated...... Both shots.... Rick is a happy guy feeling all protected and stuff. Rick is a decent guy who didn't want his immunocompromised kids to get sick. Nothing wrong with that. Rick feels safe...... Let's say Rick gets a 'breakthrough' infection and he ends up in the hospital or worse, he died. A couple months later, the CDC decides that after so many ricks got sick or died, that another shot is now required to be "fully" vaccinated. Now, the WHO is happy to report that even though Rick was "fully vaccinated" when he got sick, the definition was conveniently changed and now Rick is one of those "unvaxxed a**holes who only cares about himself and now he's dead because of his ignorance, he shoulda listened to Fauci!!" "He's probably a racist Trump supporter who wants to overthrow the Givement and make people sick!" "What a piece of unvaccinated trash!"

See how this works?

keep in mind that during most of these studies, the definition of "fully" vaccinated was changed from one shot, to two, then to three shots. Every time this happened, anyone who had been infected or died despite a shot, is now an "unvaccinated" death or illness

Was there a "partially vaxxed" column that I missed in that graph above? Nope? Yeah there's a reason for that

ironchop

12-30-2021, 01:13 PM

I'm going to post a UK study later, that I actually read. It's supposed to "prove efficacy" but when you examine the study protocols and what data was excluded purposefully, you'll start to see how "science" isn't being followed here at all.

These are just confirmation bias declarations.

Be back later

fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 01:40 PM

FFS.......

"FULLY VACCINATED" is a pliable metric..... This is what I was trying to explain to Rick and everyone else who keeps up with the "look at this study of fully vaccinated people versus not vaccinated"

"99% of all people who got FULLY vaccinated didn't go to the hospital!"..... A month later, after a bunch of vaccinated people get sick anyway(confirmed by mainstream media so you can't pretend like you didn't know).... And then the CDC/NIH/FDA just moved the Goalpost so that now "FULLY VACCINATED" means three shots instead of two. So how EVERYONE who got sick ANYWAY after receiving their "vaccinations" can NOW have their infections counted IN THE UNVACCINATED COLUMN IN YOUR FANCY CHARTS AND GRAPHS....... Do you see how this works now? You're no longer vaccinated like you thought and now, despite having TWO SHOTS, your "breakthrough infection" is now Statistically counted as being "unvaccinated" and then some well-meaning people will quote that study to each other and it's basically terribly flawed and full of bullshit

Each time a vaccinated person gets sick OR DIES, and they move the booster Goalpost again(Denmark is now saying six boosters is the protocol there) then that means everyone vaccinated with one less shot tham the NIHWHO recommends that's sick or dead is now a statistic in the "unvaccinated column"..... How convenient for these pharma pushers

This isn't science following proper study protocol. This is a bunch of statistics twisted to serve a narrative and another who actually reads these studies would see that.

You can't say follow the science when science is not being practiced here

Example: Rick gets fully vaccinated...... Both shots.... Rick is a happy guy feeling all protected and stuff. Rick is a decent guy who didn't want his immunocompromised kids to get sick. Nothing wrong with that. Rick feels safe...... Let's say Rick gets a 'breakthrough' infection and he ends up in the hospital or worse, he died. A couple months later, the CDC decides that after so many ricks got sick or died, that another shot is now required to be "fully" vaccinated. Now, the WHO is happy to report that even though Rick was "fully vaccinated" when he got sick, the definition was conveniently changed and now Rick is one of those "unvaxxed a**holes who only cares about himself and now he's dead because of his ignorance, he shoulda listened to Fauci!!" "He's probably a racist Trump supporter who wants to overthrow the Givement and make people sick!" "What a piece of unvaccinated trash!"

See how this works?

keep in mind that during most of these studies, the definition of "fully" vaccinated was changed from one shot, to two, then to three shots. Every time this happened, anyone who had been infected or died despite a shot, is now an "unvaccinated" death or illness

Was there a "partially vaxxed" column that I missed in that graph above? Nope? Yeah there's a reason for that

So there actually was a "partially vaccinated" column in the bogus information provided by Knappy, but it's irrelevant. They're still fudging the numbers in multiple ways aside from that way.

fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 01:43 PM

Robert Koch Institute report released today states that 95.58% of the #Omicron cases in Germany are fully vaccinated (28% of those had a "booster"), 4.42% are unvaccinated.

71.1% of the total population is fully vaccinated in Germany.

https://twitter.com/Tim_Roehn/status/1476575806969335812

ironchop

12-30-2021, 02:03 PM

So there actually was a "partially vaccinated" column in the bogus information provided by Knappy, but it's irrelevant. They're still fudging the numbers in multiple ways aside from that way.

Ok I missed that

That "partially vaccinated" column would then be a constantly moving target as well. Because of that, your other calculations for the other two categories would never be correct and it's all just a general estimate. In that case, it should be reported as such. General estimates are not science. That's not even proper statistical presentation either.

I require facts. I don't have very many facts because most of what I've read seems like they haven't done a good job of applying true scientific method to any of this. CNN and Don Lemon is not Science. Drug execs are not Science. The FDA track record of failure precedes their reputation, so they aren't Science. Bill Gates, who's favorite books include a book about how to manipulate statistics to push agendas on people (not lying, lookit up) is not Science. Most of the medical community seems to be following in the lockstep with these people nevertheless.

Here's a link for the Bill Gates favorite books thing I mentioned above. It used to be reported on numerous websites but I see they are now trying to say that "it's not a favorite, that's a hoax"(lol)

https://www.inc.com/business-insider/17-books-bill-gates-thinks-you.html

I'll post a screen pic of the relevant section and quotes in the article, for those that don't like to follow links...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/153bdc76e7d052b4d9198e84d5a1bb1e.jpg

ironchop

12-30-2021, 02:24 PM

This was the graphic I was so irritated about in my post above. I said 'charts and graphs' which was my bad.

It's this kind of 'black and white' generalization that most people read (it's quick, dirty, and to the point which people like to digest the cliff notes with everything in life) and after they see this, they are convinced in some cases because "the numbers don't lie" ..... That would be a totally logical conclusion, IF those were accurate numbers or if they were represented in an accurate way. If you can't validate their accuracy using controlled scientific methods, then they shouldn't be used as any definitive indicator of anything either way.

This is a perfect example of how your calculations of these numbers can be easily skewed. So in a worst case scenario where vaccinated people kept getting sick or dying anyway and the fully vaccinated status definition keeps changing to include another booster, your vaccinated pool would get visibly smaller and your unvaccinated columns would increase because "never vaccinated" and "formerly fully vaccinated but not anymore, technically" are in the same column now.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/fa8a24658734cbfb57adc7610297f193.jpg

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 02:40 PM

fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 02:42 PM

How your government is lying to you about vaccines.

This is an original article and original research conducted by me. Please share, it could really help people understand the position we're in right now.

Yesterday I was debating a pro-vax person on the efficacy of these experimental drugs being pushed on us all, which many are calling vaccines. First of all, they are not vaccines, but for the sake of discussion the two control groups here are designated "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated". In some of the material provided, you will see a third group, "partially vaccinated". We will just consider vaccinated and partially vaccinated the same group.

The person debating me sent me official statistics and screen shots of graphs provided by the Washington State Department of Health, as well as screen shots of graphs from 3-4 other states, but the only state website I visited personally was the Washington state website. Once I saw how they got the numbers they did, I knew all the rest were using the same deceptive method. The screen shot from the San Diego health department had the key directly under the graph in the screen shot, so I will provide that graph.

The exact debate is on the subject of hospitalizations and deaths in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated population of the state of Washington. Now, on the Washington State Department of Health website they make some very bold claims in regards to the numbers of people hospitalized. Their claim is that the unvaccinated are many times more likely to be hospitalized or killed by covid, up to 7 times more likely in some cases. I read this, saw the graph, and saw the graphs from other states he provided and I thought to myself there is absolutely no way this is true, no way. As someone who spends far too much time keeping up with the news, I would have known about this if it was indeed true. I knew they were fudging the numbers, and I was determined to figure out how.

Honestly it wasn't even that difficult. They provide you with the formula as to how they arrived at the conclusion they did. It is up to YOU, however, to pay attention and look at the information provided. In this case however, it's also a matter of information which IS NOT provided. More on that later.

While they're not exactly telling you the truth, they're not exactly lying to you. What they're doing is misleading the masses. They are providing numbers which are somewhat accurate based on their convoluted requirements. Firstly they lower the number of vaccinated hospitalized total using multiple methods (they tell you this on the site, you just have to look to find it). One way they do this is by making stringent rules as far as if you qualify as "vaccinated". If you don't meet their requirement, not only are you not on their list, but by default you are added to the opposite category (more on that as well). They also put "breakthrough cases" in a different category, thereby cutting their total of vaccinated hospitalized even lower. So they're doing everything they can to lower the totals where they want and also raise them where they want. They are manipulating the numbers right before your eyes, it's like magic.

Now, the information that IS NOT provided anywhere on that site as far as I've been able to tell is the number of unvaccinated hospitalized. So how on earth do you make a comparison between vaccinated hospitalized vs unvaccinated hospitalized if you don't have the number of unvaccinated hospitalized? This brings us to our second "more on that later". Well, they're not comparing unvaccinated hospitalized people vs vaccinated hospitalized people at all, they just want you to believe that's what they're comparing. So what are they comparing then?

How do they turn vaccinated hospitalized into unvaccinated hospitalized (the first "more on that later")? Well, if someone doesn't quality as vaccinated hospitalized, they will then be counted as part of the remaining population of the state of Washington. So by default, as they are reducing the numbers they want to reduce they are simultaneously raising the number they want to raise. It's a double whammy.

If you scroll clear to the last page of the PDF and look all the way to the bottom, the very last paragraph defines their parameters that they used to classify who qualifies as "unvaccinated". Their definition of unvaccinated is as follows;

"THE UNVACCINATED POPULATION IS DEFINED BY SUBTRACTING THE NUMBER OF VACCINATED AND PARTIALLY VACCINATED INDIVIDUALS FOR THE SPECIFIED AND AGE GROUP AND TIME PERIOD FROM THE ENTIRE WASHINGTON STATE POPULATION 12 YEARS AND OLDER"

And therein lies the rouse. Has anyone figured it out yet on your own? Do you see what they're doing?

They're comparing the number of vaccinated hospitalized vs the entire rest of the population of the state of Washington who is unvaccinated, but not necessarily sick or in the hospital. They're comparing the amount of vaccinated hospitalized vs perfectly healthy people who aren't even sick, and that's how they're coming up with these ridiculously misleading numbers.

Riddle me this batman; As if it weren't bad enough that so much of the population would be OK with taking experimental drugs that have a slew of documented injuries as well as mortalities, as if it weren't bad enough that it doesn't even protect you from the virus it's supposed to, now it's shown that you have to be mislead and coerced into taking this jab by nefarious means, and you trust this? Do you honestly think there is any possible good outcome from circumstances such as these? Think about this stuff people.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

Scootertrash

12-30-2021, 02:54 PM

ironchop

12-30-2021, 03:02 PM

Ok I posted the report on PDF so that anyone who wants to read it, can do so. Never take my word as facts. I state what I think is factual, but that shouldn't imply validity. Do your own research and if you come to different conclusions, PLEASE post them here. It's still a debate and I still want to consider all information whether it's ruled out later or not.

I'm not antivaxx. I'm actually anti-bullshit. I totally considered getting vaccinated at one point. Then I started seeing huge cracks in the narrative and certain things were being grossly misrepresented and other things were being openly suppressed, which is ALWAYS a sign of NEFARIOUS intent. Lying is NEFARIOUS activity, whether you think it's for good reason or not. Truth is all I want to hear, not comforting lies. After seeing those cracks, I decided I would hold off. Then came the social pressures and the virulent treatment you get socially for being unvaccinated in many places. Since general society is full of idiots and narcissists permeating every niche group, I'm not big on bandwagon adventures with The Mob mentality so that just made me cringe even more. Then I started seeing all the sick friends and then some dead ones and I'm wondering why the vaccine isn't working well at all in Kentucky, but it seems to be doing great everywhere else, according to the media. Then I started being angry on behalf of all the vaxxed people who thought they would be safe. They were lied to and let an experimental gene therapy be injected into them that could potentially threaten their well being. They didn't deserve that fate at all and then you keep leading them to believe that they are safe and that they won't hurt others. Months later, they admit that you can still get sick/transmit disease to others. Many of these people probably thought they weren't a danger to others and now that was admitted to have not been true at all. Do you think even half the people who got the shot would've have done so if they were told the truth (we don't know what the dangers are long term or even immediate. We rushed this through because pandemic) instead of being told "95-99% efficacy in every category from getting infected to hospitals to transmitting to dying" like they were initially.

Y'all do know that Fauci bragged that they developed this initial vaccine "in ONE DAY", right?

It's on video, I'll try to find it again

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 03:05 PM

After reading that I have a headache, not from your style of writing fabs, but from the mental gymnastics they use to get to the numbers they want the populace to see.

It's no wonder so many people give up trying to figure it all out......

I'm gonna have to read it again later......[emoji38]Also you mentioned the comorbidities

That was actually VERY well reported and even broken down into which comorbidities were represented and the associated victim numbers in the CDCs website, but most people wouldn't go look at it or they could've seen that this was overblown from the start

Excellent for plausible deniability....."we posted the correct info on our boring website. It's not our fault you listened to the media instead"

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Scootertrash

12-30-2021, 03:07 PM

Scootertrash

12-30-2021, 03:10 PM

Also you mentioned the comorbidities

That was actually VERY well reported and even broken down into which comorbidities were represented and the associated victim numbers in the CDCs website, but most people wouldn't go look at it or they could've seen that this was overblown from the start

Excellent for plausible deniability....."we posted the correct info on our boring website. It's not our fault you listened to the media instead"

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Is it fairly easy to find on the CDC website, or do you perhaps have a link for that as well?

ironchop

12-30-2021, 03:21 PM

Testing........ This is an interview with fauci and he says some really interesting things that the news didn't tell you.

Also "we got the (virus) sequence from China" that was used to make this 'vaccine'.... Isn't that interesting? China had the sequence all figured out and ready to share so early in the Plandemic

http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/61ce06a58eb64/VID_20211230_131713_901.mp4

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 03:41 PM

Is it fairly easy to find on the CDC website, or do you perhaps have a link for that as well?https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q#Exce ssDeaths

Halfway down the page. They've changed the website a bit since I was there last but the info is still there

Also, more on the subject......

https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-now-says-94-covid-deaths-underlying-condition/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/9e81d88779aabfd7ee1378b75f6daa11.jpg

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 03:43 PM

Also........ DO NOT FORGET that all early "covid positives" were determined by using the PCR test which has been found to be absolutely useless for detecting truly infected people.

When your testing is flawed, your numbers derived from testing are also flawed or bogus altogether

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 04:21 PM

Hey 'chop, you got a better/bigger version of that image? I can't read it very well. Even with my glasses on....:rolleyes:

ETA: Or maybe a link??Knappy posted the original above

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 04:34 PM

Ok....... Now, I'm not a scientist but I'm educated as to how scientific method USED TO BE applied during scientific studies. As a result, I can see glaring inconsistencies and obvious skewing just by using regular old critical thinking

If you aren't versed in scientist method regarding drug trials, Google search is a good start or just read this very short link. It's relevant to what I'm about to say

https://www.biopharmainstitute.com/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-single-blind-and-double-blind-clinical-trials

If you downloaded and watched the Fauci video I posted above, then you already know that we are still in the middle of a trial "to see if this really works and if it's safe after all because in the past we failed with vaccines with terrible consequences" ....... He says it himself so you can't claim ignorance after that.....

They pdf on the "study" I'm quoting is linked above as well. It's only about a 24 page read and not too technical of a read in case you were wondering.

I'm going to drop a bunch of posts and pics with what I see as problematic case by case

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knappyfeet

12-30-2021, 04:58 PM

Here's a few other ones. Again...these are the states me and my wife will be riding through/to/visit on a motorcycle trip in the spring. By then the world may come to and end but for now it's interesting to know.

Everyone of my sources are official state government websites.....usually depart of public health, etc. I stay away from USA today and all that click bait crap.....literally fabricated crap.

The first 2 are of the state of New York....about 3 months late so current conditions are not represented.

Again most understand the unvaccinated are driving the case numbers, deaths and hospitalizations but information is good.

The second 2 are of Texas. I pick my age group...50-64 and although by that 30 day study the unvaccinated show a case rate that is 12 times higher than the vaccinated it has a 28 times higher hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated over the vaccinated.....which again shows the effect the vaccine has against serious illness.

The last one is Oregon and it's my favorite because it addresses just the breakthrough cases by vaccine type. But even that and the general variations of total covid cases.....the hospitalization and mortality rates remain steady.

I wish hospitalization and mortality rates were more defined. For example women fair better than men with covid. A friends 91 year old father was listed as a covid death but in reality he beat covid and died from pneumonia....a condition brought on by a respiratory illness. It's when we hear of people passing from covid .......even being fully vaccinated and boosted ......it gives the impression the vaccine doesn't work and that can't be farther from the truth.

That's why more accurate reporting of deaths and the conditions around a person's passing may paint a better picture than just "see....the shitt don't work" type mentality.

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 04:59 PM

"uninfected individuals cannot transmit; therefore, the vaccines are also effective at preventing transmission"

That's a bit of an ignorant generalization for anyone involved in virology. You cannot tell me that the only way anyone gets viral infections is from direct contact with infected people. Indirect transmission is a very real thing or else their "social distancing scheme and lockdowns would've worked and they didn't". I question that ridiculous assumption. If this assumption were true, no need to wash your hands anymore because you can only get sick directly from a sick person directly.

This really isn't a big deal, but the rest of the paragraph goes on to say that they left out the data in the transmissibility study (house study) that should have included infected people of any status who were "asymptomatic or who had symptoms but never went and got tested to confirm they were indeed infected"(para). If you don't count those people, then your figures are inaccurate. If those people DID indeed get sick but not enough to want to get tested, then your claim that the house study confirms zero or little transmissibility from people who were "vaccinated healthcare workers" is HEAVILY flawed.

It looks like the vaccine is very effective at reducing transmissibility when you don't include the people who did get sick while being around the vaccinated people in your study, but didn't get tested and therefore cannot be considered at all.

Does this mean the vax don't work? No, but it means that the claims of it's efficacy are possibly based on flawed assumptions and studies.

Let's keep going... More to come

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 05:13 PM

ironchop

12-30-2021, 05:18 PM

Everyone of my sources are official state government websites.....usually depart of public health, etc. I stay away from USA today and all that click bait crap.....literally fabricated crap.

Ok two things:

1)I get most of my info from VAERS, CDC, NIH, FDA..... As in Federal, I've got no time to wade through state websites because it isn't states exercising all this fascist bullshit. It's the federal level. It's all right there for you to see, but since people won't go read it, then they get the cliff notes lies from the news. News that's sponsored by j&j and Pfizer.

Most people are NOT reading that

2) what makes you think a state health website isn't fabricated crap as well? Is it because the states only hire people with Tegriddy? Is it because only honorable people build websites? It's it because they went through a rigorous psychological exam and a lie detector test before they were hired to type numbers into a state website?

Again, I'm not trying to pick a fight Knap, but I don't understand how anyone can say with ANY kind of certainty "These people are credible, and these people are not". There is absolutely nothing to indicate that a state-run website is credible at all.

I also question the validity of the Federal agencies as well. Like Fabs always says "Nobody gets a pass"

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 05:26 PM

At this moment it's not even about who to trust, it's the facts provided! The facts provided by the very same sources Knappy is referencing actually tells the TRUTH if you take the time to read the key and understand the information they're providing! They're counting on everyone to assume the information they're providing is something which it isn't, just like Knappy is.

ironchop

12-30-2021, 05:33 PM

Here's another example......

"Little evidence is available at present and results are inconclusive"

If the results have"little evidence" and "are inconclusive" because of that, then why include those numbers at all in 80% of that chart? Most of the columns of info are inconclusive and yet they are included in this chart nevertheless, making bold claims. Scientific Method tells me that this chart is useless for the purposes of accuracy or truth and I would never quote it to win any actual debate

Moving on ....

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 05:46 PM

Scientific method also states that you simply cannot compare two metrics with only one provided! And the examples Knappy is providing DOES NOT provide the data of how many unvaccinated hospitalized there are but rather how many unvaccinated total regardless of whether they're sick or healthy, hospitalized or not!

ironchop

12-30-2021, 05:59 PM

Here's your caveat.......

Are they saying this on the news? Is your vaccine technician telling you THIS as they load up your dose?

Again, how do you make policy decisions based off studies and reports which openly admit that their results are not accurate for a variety of reasons.... They even use the word "estimate". Do you want to be mandated into taking a vaccine based off estimates?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/dfd51c5d312ad6b894f771a04488b762.jpg

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:04 PM

ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:08 PM

"Our work here is done...... You're safe for five months and that's enough to call this a huge success, despite evidence of "waning" efficacy after five months as we admitted ourselves!"

Five months...... Well that's enough to justify forced vaccinations! Let me get into Compliance!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/7afb447a09c40019b0ce4b8f5903b258.jpg

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 06:08 PM

BTW........ John makes a good point that I forgot to point out. How they got this data that I am quoting

The sample group was "blood donors". I'm not sure what percentage of their overall population is blood donors or how they decided that this would be an accurate cross section of the general population. Those are things that should have been addressed or clarified in this reporthttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/d119c9087ea53c1cdd31e3e6249ebeb4.jpg

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If the numbers are what they claim there would be a simple side by side comparison between vaccinated hospitalized vs unvaccinated hospitalized, but they refuse to do that. If they did it would clearly illustrate just how dangerous this stuff is.

ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:15 PM

Here they admit that they cut short the "follow-up period" of the studies "so that effective vaccines can be introduced as rapidly as possible"

In other words, "we stop following up because that takes too long and the point is to get a vaccine out there was rapidly as possible" (while ignoring the science)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/a074084eb1d7810b9bee08331b4fa4be.jpg

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knappyfeet

12-30-2021, 06:18 PM

what makes you think a state health website isn't fabricated crap as well? Is it because the states only hire people with Tegriddy? Is it because only honorable people build websites? It's it because they went through a rigorous psychological exam and a lie detector test before they were hired to type numbers into a state website?

Again, I'm not trying to pick a fight Knap, but I don't understand how anyone can say with ANY kind of certainty "These people are credible, and these people are not". There is absolutely nothing to indicate that a state-run website is credible at all.

That's a fair question.

Because I believe my eyes. Because I believe family members and friends in the medical profession at all levels. Because in general I believe government reporting is accurate.. Because at the end of the day I think everybody wants the same thing.... to get back to normal as best they can.

If I don't believe that then every single family member in that profession is lying to me. Every single government entity at the county, state and federal levels are lying to me. Every country and their levels of governments are lying. Every hospital, urgent care, family practice, administrative building ....everything is lying to me…. and I don't believe that. Now I'm not saying everything is absolutely honorably truthful but to believe that everything everywhere is on a widespread conspiracy against me all the time means I have PPD (paranoid personality disorder) and I don't.

Human behavior is a big contributor to current new cases.. This same time last year saw much more social distancing and mask wearing precautions then this time this year. The lines were more spaced out when you went to the store, most of the eating establishments if they were open was limited seating outside, some things needed to be done online at government offices as they were closed,...stuff like that.

When the vaccine came out it seemed like the very same moment all the masks came off. People had a sense of empowerment and safety with the vaccine but what they didn't know is you could still get it and carry it and pass it on to others. Now nobody wears masks in stores. Everything's crowded everywhere you go. Went to the Texas Roadhouse and people were lineup nut-to-butt like cattle……. A completely different environment than this same time last year.......and still the numbers are lower.

ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:20 PM

Why would pregnant women underreport being pregnant when they get vaccinated?

This makes no sense, but again, it's fudging numbers

Meanwhile your evening news be like:

"UK studies show without a doubt that vaccines are effective!"

"Detractors are anti-science!"

"Trust our arbitrary statistics as science!"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211230/5c331ce9773a5379aad2038eb8dbd035.jpg

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:23 PM

That's a fair question.

Because I believe my eyes. Because I believe family members and friends in the medical profession at all levels. Because in general I believe government reporting is accurate.. Because at the end of the day I think everybody wants the same thing.... to get back to normal as best they can.

If I don't believe that then every single family member in that profession is lying to me. Every single government entity at the county, state and federal levels are lying to me. Every country and their levels of governments are lying. Every hospital, urgent care, family practice, administrative building ....everything is lying to me…. and I don't believe that. Now I'm not saying everything is absolutely honorably truthful but to believe that everything everywhere is on a widespread conspiracy against me all the time means I have PPD (paranoid personality disorder) and I don't.

Human behavior is a big contributor to current new cases.. This same time last year saw much more social distancing and mask wearing precautions then this time this year. The lines were more spaced out when you went to the store, most of the eating establishments if they were open was limited seating outside, some things needed to be done online at government offices as they were closed,...stuff like that.

When the vaccine came out it seemed like the very same moment all the masks came off. People had a sense of empowerment and safety with the vaccine but what they didn't know is you could still get it and carry it and pass it on to others. Now nobody wears masks in stores. Everything's crowded everywhere you go. Went to the Texas Roadhouse and people were lineup nut-to-butt like cattle……. A completely different environment than this same time last year.......and still the numbers are lower.Hey you got your experiences and I have mine and mine are oddly the exact opposite of what you're saying especially regarding medical professionals in my family (it would blow you mind)

My eyes didn't see dead friends who were unvaxxed. I didn't visit unvaxxed friends in the hospital. These were vaxxed people. Friends and some family, not anecdotes from TV.

I'm going to disagree with your assessment in favor of my own which is literally the opposite of what you must be seeing in San Diego.

Kentucky is not sand Diego

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 06:29 PM

That's a fair question.

Because I believe my eyes. Because I believe family members and friends in the medical profession at all levels. Because in general I believe government reporting is accurate.. Because at the end of the day I think everybody wants the same thing.... to get back to normal as best they can.

If I don't believe that then every single family member in that profession is lying to me. Every single government entity at the county, state and federal levels are lying to me. Every country and their levels of governments are lying. Every hospital, urgent care, family practice, administrative building ....everything is lying to me…. and I don't believe that. Now I'm not saying everything is absolutely honorably truthful but to believe that everything everywhere is on a widespread conspiracy against me all the time means I have PPD (paranoid personality disorder) and I don't.

Human behavior is a big contributor to current new cases.. This same time last year saw much more social distancing and mask wearing precautions then this time this year. The lines were more spaced out when you went to the store, most of the eating establishments if they were open was limited seating outside, some things needed to be done online at government offices as they were closed,...stuff like that.

When the vaccine came out it seemed like the very same moment all the masks came off. People had a sense of empowerment and safety with the vaccine but what they didn't know is you could still get it and carry it and pass it on to others. Now nobody wears masks in stores. Everything's crowded everywhere you go. Went to the Texas Roadhouse and people were lineup nut-to-butt like cattle……. A completely different environment than this same time last year.......and still the numbers are lower.

Too many words, too much information for such a simple thing.

I clearly showed you why the numbers they present are not what you think and you are choosing to believe what you want over the reality of the situation. I don't care if they fool every single person on this planet aside from me, the truth is the truth and reality is reality, and now you're talking about masks?! Lol! News flash! MASKS WILL NOT PROTECT YOU FROM GETTING A VIRUS!!

The world has gone mad over a virus that kills a tiny fraction of anyone who gets it. By your logic Knappy you shouldn't leave your house for fear of being struck by lightning. And you ride a motorcycle? Are you insane man? Do you have any idea the chances you'll be killed doing that?

I wasn't aware you were in San Diego, that explains everything lol. Enjoy Knappy. People tried to tell you, we're trying to show you.

ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:32 PM

That's a fair question.
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When the vaccine came out it seemed like the very same moment all the masks came off. People had a sense of empowerment and safety with the vaccine but what they didn't know is you could still get it and carry it and pass it on to others. Now nobody wears masks in stores. Everything's crowded everywhere you go. Went to the Texas Roadhouse and people were lineup nut-to-butt like cattle……. A completely different environment than this same time last year.......and still the numbers are lower.

Masks are useless. I'm not even going to bother linking all the studies to confirm that. Even the CDC had said that, so you're quite a bit behind

And why did the people think they were safer knappy?

Who told them that they were safe if they weren't?

Why is it so fkn hard for people to admit that the vaccine is not working as intended?

Why is it that in the face of evidence contrary to your beliefs, you still want to maintain the efficacy of this?

Look I don't give a darn if you get that vaccine. Nobody is telling you not to(ok not true, plenty of people are saying don't get it) (personally I'm saying I'm not offended if you do and it's your decision not mine ultimately). I'm telling you to do your damn homework before making that decision.

If you did the homework and you still want to be vaxxed, that's cool by me, but if you want to be in favor of mandates or saying uneducated nonsense like "unvaccinated people cancel out the vaccinations of the vaccinated people and they get sick anyway" then I have an issue with that because to be honest, that's retarded level nonsense.

Do as you will and I wish you the best. In ten years we will BOTH know which one of us was right.

Edit: so you live in Cali where they have vaccine mandates to get into restaurants? Is this true? And you went to Texas Roadhouse and nobody had masks on and all that? So they thought that their vaccine passport made them safe, right? Cuz that's what I heard coming from your fake governors mouth on numerous national press conferences?

I'm confused, are you mad that vaccinated people with vaccine passports in California restaurants are not wearing masks and are not social distancing?

So what's the point of the passport if it doesn't matter, regarding infection?

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 06:43 PM

You wanna know why I'm so mad?

Because a few ex-friends are convinced that the reason their stupid vaccination doesn't work on alot of people is because "unvaccinated people" made them sick.

Apparently it's not a vaccination until everyone on the planet gets one........... So literally every time a baby is born unvaccinated (because his mommies "inoculation" didn't work for her s so it won't work for him) (see how that works) or every time one single person goes a few days/weeks/months not getting their 3 month booster, that the entire world is potentially going to fall into a pandemic again because one unvaxxed person got a vaxxed person sick and the vaxxed person got all the others sick because you vaccine is admittedly NOT protecting you

Honestly it blows my mind how people fail to take their beliefs to it's logical conclusion

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knappyfeet

12-30-2021, 07:05 PM

By your logic Knappy you shouldn't leave your house for fear of being struck by lightning. And you ride a motorcycle? Are you insane man? Do you have any idea the chances you'll be killed doing that?

Hahaha!!! I love it!....and I ride a Harley......that makes me more insane hahaha!!

Your accurate....masks really don't prevent you from getting the virus but they slow the spread to others.

I'm not going to debate that with you......it's not gonna matter

ironchop

12-30-2021, 07:07 PM

What TF is this supposed to mean?

"98% of adults have antibodies against covid 19 from EITHER infection OR vaccinations compared to 18.7% from infection alone"

You can't "compared to" with those two metrics. One thing is a single category that they want you to compare to the sum of that category added together with a separate category.

More accurately it should have said "of the 98% of historically covid infected people who tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies, 18.7% of those people had antibodies that were received from infection alone(meaning they're COVID 19 positive AND obviously not vaxxed)....... And 81.3% were received from the vax

OR did they really mean that the vaxxed group presented antibodies because they got vaxxed and infected BOTH, whereas the unvaxxed (control group) only got antibodies from infection solely?

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knappyfeet

12-30-2021, 07:13 PM

Edit: so you live in Cali where they have vaccine mandates to get into restaurants? Is this true? And you went to Texas Roadhouse and nobody had masks on and all that? So they thought that their vaccine passport made them safe, right? Cuz that's what I heard coming from your fake governors mouth on numerous national press conferences?

I'm confused, are you mad that vaccinated people with vaccine passports in California restaurants are not wearing masks and are not social distancing?

Rick!!......I need help!!!

Where are you?....getting your booster? Haha!

My man.... I'm not mad at anything. I was just trying to describe how I feel human behavior may have made an impact on this year's covid cases versus the same time last year with more stricter social distancing and preventative precautions.

People can do what they want..... But this time last year it was only limited outdoor seating at the same Texas Roadhouse versus this year everybody packed in there like pigs. Just attempting to illustrate how that may have an impact… human behavior have an impact now versus then.

Go get a steak

ironchop

12-30-2021, 07:33 PM

Let's talk about control groups. If you know scientific studies, control groups are a necessity for an accurate study.

Check this out....... Built-in excuse for not having a control group.

No control group = no science in your scientific study

We don't have a unvaxxed control group because nearly everyone is vaxxed from what they imply and because they only considered hospitalization and death. What do you think the outcome for vax efficacy of this study included all the unvaxxed people who didn't get sick or did get sick but didn't get tested, die, or were hospitalized?

This is why they like to formulate stats based on your "positive covid test" model because it paints a much worse picture for the unvaxxed if you don't include unvaxxed people who never tested themselves into your metrics.

For example:

Let's say for the sake of illustration.....200 people get covid infections. Of those, only 150 get tested and test positive for covid and only that 150 are considered for the study now. Of those, say 100 are vaxxed and 50 are not. Let's say for simplicity that all 50 not vaxxed went to the hospital when they got sick and all 100 vaxxed did not need a hospital. Again, for mathematical simplicity.

So the hospitalization rate is 0/100 for the vaxxed. 0% hospitalization

And 50/50 for the unvaxxed. 100% hospitalization rate

Ok now add back in there, the 50 unvaxxed that never tested for covid but were left out in the figures above.

Now you have 0/100 or 0% hospitalization rate for the vaxxed still, HOWEVER now you have 50/100 hospitalisation rate for the unvaxxed or a 50% rate of hospitalization suddenly in the unvaxxed, whereas it was reported as 100% hospitalisation without the proper context before.

This is how statistics are commonly manipulated or just misunderstood because the context of these figures is unknown to the reader

The same would hold true for the vaxxed people who were infected but never officially tested positive. They would not have been considered in the study either because they didn't test. Either way, you have an inaccurate picture of what's going on and despite this, they will report with certainty that the unvaxxed all gonna go to the hospital when those results were not accurately calculated and they will do it with rather ambiguous methods.

Makes me no longer wonder how 'climate models' are so full of crap as well

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fabiodriven

12-30-2021, 07:44 PM

Hahaha!!! I love it!....and I ride a Harley......that makes me more insane hahaha!!

Your accurate....masks really don't prevent you from getting the virus but they slow the spread to others.

I'm not going to debate that with you......it's not gonna matter

I wouldn't debate me if I were you either. Enjoy whatever that ethylene glycol is doing inside your body.

ironchop

12-30-2021, 08:02 PM

Rick!!......I need help!!!

Where are you?....getting your booster? Haha!

My man.... I'm not mad at anything. I was just trying to describe how I feel human behavior may have made an impact on this year's covid cases versus the same time last year with more stricter social distancing and preventative precautions.

People can do what they want..... But this time last year it was only limited outdoor seating at the same Texas Roadhouse versus this year everybody packed in there like pigs. Just attempting to illustrate how that may have an impact… human behavior have an impact now versus then.

Go get a steakYes, and yet airlines were packing people into plane seats on top of each other all this entire time.

There's no consistency and there never was. Likely we will never know what was effective and what wasn't because it was all so arbitrarily applied.

Surely you don't really think that waitstaff and bartenders at very small businesses were the only "unessential" workers in this country. I saw people who worked at hardware stores be essential because "someone might need a 2x4 while fighting covid". I was essential...... Guess why ...... Because I was responsible for keeping huge global plants up and running for the great Capitalist Machine. Plants that made things like parts for new cars, aluminum cans, convertible tops for cars, truck frames, Corvette shocks, kitchen faucets, helicopter parts, Dept of Defense projects, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, screen printing t-shirt machines, etc.......................... All very important stuff to keep going in a Plandemic? Bullshit.

This was applied arbitrarily with a focus on protecting huge corporations from any ill effects and the sheer increase in profits for these companies during that time period can't be ignored. Literal proof that they seemed to benefit from the Plandemic. Look how many of them got FREE PAYROLL for several months from the Giv-o-ment. My own employer came out ahead last year thanks to having almost no payroll for better than six months....... What a sweetheart deal there

This is why you can't have a beer at a small tavern but you can slog through Walmart with 250 other sniveling shoppers or get on a Delta flight and sit one inch away from the person next to you and the CDC didn't care.

The CDC didn't care when y'all got your reusable t-shirt masks that get washed once every Lord-knows-when using laundry soap to disinfect it. Because it doesn't really matter. Doesn't matter what it's made of, doesn't matter that it said right on the package "not protection against covid", doesn't matter that people weren't wearing them correctly. No guidance whatsoever besides "cover your mouth". Why not use your hand? Because infection? Well you put that mask on and you take it off with your hands so what is the difference?

Got facial hair? Yup....... Compromised mask seal. A mustache and beard is not good viral protection. OSHA actually requires that all respiratory filtering devices be SEALED to your face. That's why alot of people who wear them regularly, have to have clean shaven faces

Again, I think the issue of mandates being ineffective had everything to do with the fact that it's doomed from the start. Nobody at the Wuhan lab showed up to work wearing "Got Vax?" T-shirt meme masks on their faces because it's not effective.

Tyvek suits are effective. That's why they wear them. Masks are a joke. If they worked, then you would NEVER have seen the mouths of a single healthcare worker while at work ever...... It's not like Fauci discovered something that real doctors and nurses who actual treat patients missed all these years

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 08:23 PM

"estimates suggest".... without giving any information about how this number was even calculated to begin with, outside of "see previous report".

"Estimates" that "suggest" things is not science either

Estimating how many people you think you saved from death or infection is really a useless endeavor and has no place in this report other than to inflate the implied efficacy and boost confidence in the vaccine

There's no way to prove or confirm the accuracy of such a figure without a serious comprehensive study, which they haven't bothered with yet. Any claims about what might have happened or not happened based on their actions is ludicrous without a long term study https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211231/c2112fad30ea911f5bdc85e84041394f.jpg

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 09:20 PM

Read all of this section carefully so you can understand what they are really saying in this report and what they are NOT saying. I'm actually impressed with this part of the report because it's trying to establish context and to make sure that someone doesn't misunderstand or misrepresent the findings of these reports.

Now, mainstream news and alternate news both do a really poor job of reporting what these reports really say. Instead, these reports are taken to mean that they confirm all the previous biases and that they conclusively indicate a direct positive relationship between the vaccines and immunity from Covid.

Also ask yourself who funded these studies. That's also important. You don't walk into a criminal court case and take the word of any witness without questioning the credibility of that witness because your freedom is on the line. I'm asking people to maybe look VERY CAREFULLY at these studies and quit letting the television, MetaFace, Twatwaffle, NPR, Fox online tell you what these things say. They aren't going to report negative findings on a network that's also showing Pfizer ads and getting paid for that.

I'm not even saying that anything I've posted so far would indicate that vaccines are definitely pop-control and/or deadly. What I'm trying to get people to see is that you should be questioning the narrative at every turn. You should not trust people that you previously didn't trust, just because you don't think anyone would attempt such a feat of skullduggery, including them. You shouldn't take my word for it either. It's perfectly plausible that I might be totally wrong for not questioning the motives and claims of these people. You might need to get a vaccine as soon as possible. You already get the official narrative everywhere else, why does it bother people to let others express doubt of official narratives? I'm almost 52 years old and I've never known the United States Government to have ever told me the complete truth about anything ever and I've never seen the United States Government actually care about human life unless there was a price tag attached. You see, I'm also operating on my own experiences and my own historical understanding of all the players involved.

What I'm doing is I'm PLEADING with people to just do the legwork. Remember all of the times they contradicted themselves and ask yourself "will they flip flop next week about what they said last month?" because that's what they've been doing all along. If you give alternate opinions an actual chance, maybe you'll still decide to be vaxxed...... Fine. I'm also pleading with people to stop falling for the "the existence unvaxxed people make your vaccination null and void" because it's utter bullshit and it's meant to divide people so that the fearful people will demand that the government force things that they themselves want so that they will feel less fearful, and not because they want to protect people like they claim.

This isn't going to end well and that's by design.

Lookup how many covid treatment drugs our government both funded, and then purchased, from these drugmakers...... Treatments, not vaccines. It's in the billions...... Guess what else we funded and then the government bought billions of doses of from drugmakers? "Vaccines". Profit is already in the Trillions for these pharmaceutical companies, but obviously they want to help people and trillions of dollars in profit is just an accidental side effect

https://www.citizen.org/article/blind-spot/

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/05/government-funding-backed-molnupiravir-possible-new-covid-19-treatment/

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-272

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/gilead-covid-19-drug-remdesivir-benefited-from-6-5b-in-nih-funded-basic-research-study-finds/

This is all a CASH COW FOR:

-Vaccine makers

-covid treatment makers

-hospitals and clinics

-medical mask, testing, gloves, needles, devices, and all related item manufacturers

-Wall Street investors

And still we ask, suspiciously, "Why would they lie to us? All of them?"

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ironchop

12-30-2021, 09:58 PM

Scootertrash

12-30-2021, 11:43 PM

Holy crap! I gots me a lot of catch-up reading in the morning!

I should have skipped date night with the wife, but we won $200 on pull-tabs (20.00 in) so I got that going for me:naughty::beer

fabiodriven

12-31-2021, 02:28 AM

"The hospitals and ICUs are all at capacity!!!"

So where do y'all go to the hospital anyway? I've been a victim of my own devices a number of times and I would estimate I've been hospitalized around 30 times. We won't bother with my outpatient numbers.

Anyway, every single time I've been in the hospital, I've had to wait on a room numerous times. I've also never seen any ICU with an empty bed except to be cleaned between patients. In bowling green the ER room was sparse but all the triage rooms were always full and sometimes they put me in a bed in the hall to wait like when I broke my neck. Another time after a major heart attack and awaiting a surgical bed, I lived in the triage room in the ER for a couple days because of overcrowding at the hospital

So my point is, do y'all really have empty hospitals before covid? We didn't. Every hospital I've ever been in since 1990 and that I remember the details of, was always overcrowded. When WEREN'T my hospitals overrun with patients and a lack of beds?

It's a serious question because theoretically, I could just be a visitor to a small number of chronically overcrowded hospitals and therefore my experiences are geographically exceptional

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I laugh every time they talk about "hospitals filled to capacity". I've seen countless videos of people walking into hospitals which are completely empty. The problem is, there's a certain clueless sector of the population who are unable to see reality even when you show them, who believe the narrative they're fed instead of their own eyes. It's so bad that I truly believe you could physically take one of these people to a hospital, show them it's empty, and they still wouldn't believe it. That's what we're dealing with here, people are seriously that far gone.

I traditionally haven't spent much time in hospital or ER, but the times I have been they were always mobbed. I recall seeing patients in the hallway on carts and that's just how it was. Now the lobbies are empty, waiting rooms empty, hallways empty... They look like ghost towns, oh but the narrative says that they're overwhelmed! My lying eyes!

And let's cover our face with a cloth that does absolutely nothing to protect anyone from anything while we're at it, even though we're all aware it's not protecting anyone from anything. Masks dehumanize and make it far easier for people to end up at odds with one another, and they also inhibit a major requirement of the human body known as "breathing fresh air".

Imagine, if you will, in a country where 75% of the population is obese to the point their own existence is going to be cut short, all of a sudden the major concern is for people's lives. Why the sudden change of heart? Why forget about something which is very likely to kill people in favor of something that people have over a 99% chance of surviving?

Does anyone think that the powers that be have suddenly had a change of heart? All of a sudden they want to help humankind? You'd have to be stupid to think that. Chop just showed the financial incentives above, let's put two and two together here. Billions and billions of dollars we're talking about here and power approaching that of small countries, all bought with the wealth they've plundered from both private citizens as well as from all of us collectively through our government. They're taking billions from us all while they make us sick so they can treat us again.

I've seen a lot of people theorizing that people's immune systems are going to be destroyed by this, that they're going to need a biannual shot, then quarterly, monthly, weekly.... What are you going to do when the only way you can not be sick is to take their drugs every day? What if the entire planet had to do that? If you control that, you control the planet. As someone who's dealt with a lot of illness and lives with a chronic disease, let me just tell you, if you get to the point that you're sick and that shot will fix it, you will stop at nothing to get that shot. You'll be standing in the line out in the rain, and if you don't do what they tell you no shot for you. You'll do what they say, and you'll reflect back to now, when you still had a choice. You'll be wondering how you possibly could have been so naive, and why you didn't so much as lift a finger to oppose while you still had that choice.

It makes me sick to my stomach when I see how weak the general population is. A friend's mom is seriously ill and in the hospital with covid right now and I pray she makes it. I fear the politics in Massachusetts will be the death of her. I've sent her son the covid protocol I have, but I don't think people have the balls (which it shouldn't take any) to take control of the situation. But I digress.

The young man is now scared and considering getting the jab, and the cycle continues via fear. Fear is how they rule you, and if I'm honest I now understand why some people are so amazed by war veterans, because a massive swath of the population here are spineless, weak phucking puss!es who are folding at the word boo. If this is all it takes to scare you people, God bless you for keeping your candy ass at home while the rest of us vertebrates handled the dirty work for this country. These Marys are so timid, so scared, to the point they'll take an experimental drug which doesn't protect them from what it is they're scared of in the first place, take precautions that they know do nothing (ritualistically), and obey orders unquestionably even when presented with the information to free them from this spell. It's a cult to the letter of the word.

And I have zero sympathy. Anyone who chooses to give in to fear, especially this early in, I dunno. That's the one beef that I really have with Trump, but that's a whole different story. There are people out there who regret getting jabbed seeing now the direction things are heading. All I can do is provide information.

Scootertrash

12-31-2021, 06:58 AM

Holy crap! I gots me a lot of catch-up reading in the morning!

I should have skipped date night with the wife, but we won $200 on pull-tabs (20.00 in) so I got that going for me

fabiodriven

01-01-2022, 04:13 PM

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fabiodriven

01-02-2022, 02:47 AM

MASS FORMATION PSYCHOSIS

This is doctor Robert Malone, the creator of mNRA technology who has recently been silenced for speaking out against the medical tyranny that is gripping this planet.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/mass-formation-psychosis

This is Google changing search results so you have a hard time finding anything he's said.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-google-manipulated-mass-formation?r=o7iqo

I typed the title of this video directly word for word into the search bar on YouTube and it still didn't come up. I had to find the channel then manually search their videos.

https://youtu.be/INHpQL9fgto

Scootertrash

01-02-2022, 12:56 PM

Fabs, I wish I had as much time as you to keep up with all this bullsh!t!

keep up the good work!!

Scootertrash

01-02-2022, 12:57 PM

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Is this on the CDC website? Got a link by chance, or is it easily searched up on the CDC site?

Thanks!

fabiodriven

01-02-2022, 03:24 PM

Is this on the CDC website? Got a link by chance, or is it easily searched up on the CDC site?

Thanks!

Unfortunately no, I don't have a link to that exact graph on their site. It's a massive site and I just looked but couldn't find a link to that particular graph. I found some others though.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/12/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-11-05-2021/

fabiodriven

01-02-2022, 04:49 PM

This video explains how they're able to fool people like Knappy with fake numbers. This is right along the lines of what I discovered myself in Knappy's bogus links the other day. This is the video doctor Robert Malone (the creator of mNRA technology) shared which got him permanently banned from Twitter.

https://rumble.com/vrsed2-the-powerful-video-that-got-dr.-robert-malone-kicked-off-twitter.html

fabiodriven

01-02-2022, 10:24 PM

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fabiodriven

01-02-2022, 10:29 PM

These graphics indicate that excess mortality is most likely caused by the measures and not by the common cold virus that's currently being used to take the world hostage.

The explanations for this phenomenon are versatile, but I'll try to give you a brief overview:

[emoji1314] Stress kills as it elevates the blood cortisol levels. Fearmongering and the resulting existential fears, as well as an unhealthy lifestyle due to the measures, can be seen as the root causes.

[emoji1314] Lockdowns and curfews lead to less social interactions, less physical activities and lower vitamin D blood serum levels. There's plenty of evidence that these factors reduce life expectancy.

[emoji1314] Media is spreading fake news about alternative therapies. Vitamin D, ivermectin, melatonin etc., are dismissed as quackery, whereas experimental drugs are heavily promoted.

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fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 01:17 AM

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fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 02:26 AM

"All but one were fully vaccinated. One was partially vaccinated."

So in other words, they were ALL vaccinated.

https://youtu.be/qP7RJNchSCI

Scootertrash

01-03-2022, 10:31 AM

Unfortunately no, I don't have a link to that exact graph on their site. It's a massive site and I just looked but couldn't find a link to that particular graph. I found some others though.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/12/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-11-05-2021/

Yes it is a massive site. Early on in this scamdemic it wasn't very hard to find VAERS information, but over time they have modified the website to make it much harder to find vaccine related information.

Thanks for all the research you do, it is greatly appreciated!!

fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 02:22 PM

Yes it is a massive site. Early on in this scamdemic it wasn't very hard to find VAERS information, but over time they have modified the website to make it much harder to find vaccine related information.

Thanks for all the research you do, it is greatly appreciated!!

So I'm not doing that much research, I'm more of a distributor, although I did do the research to dismantle the skewed numbers in the links Knappy shared. It was nice to be able to share my thoughts and then show my work.

Most of the things I'm sharing are other people's research. I like to hear from experts and people with experience. Obviously I'll do my own research from time to time but I have very limited internet where I live and it makes doing any kind of research take far longer than it would take most people.

I have suggested it before, but a huge portion of the information I share is from the telegram app. YouTube, Google, Twitter, Facebook... Basically every form of main stream social media is actively working to suppress free speech these days and I'm assuming everyone is well aware of that. I highly recommend people join some kind of outlet which allows for free speech and the truth to be spoken. If it weren't for MSM and social media selling out, they might not have half the country thinking experimental drugs that don't protect you from a virus with 99.7% survivability are a good idea.

fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 03:14 PM

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An Increased Risk of Illness For The Vaccinated

Pfizer’s data shows a significant increase in the risk of illness or adverse events for the vaccinated. You won’t actually find it in the report itself. You have to dig into the supplementary appendix in order to find it.

There you find, 5,241 related adverse advents in the vaccinated group versus 1,311 related adverse events in the placebo group. For severe adverse events (interferes significantly with normal function), there were 262 in the vaccinated group versus 150 in the placebo group. And, for serious adverse events (hospital or ER), there were 127 in the vaccinated group versus 116 in the placebo group.

In other words, there was a 300% increase of related adverse events, a 75% increase of severe adverse events, and a 10% increase of serious adverse events. How does the vaccine reduce hospitalizations if Pfizer’s trial data shows a 10% increase in hospitalizations for the vaccinated[emoji780]

https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/the-powerful-pfizer-presentation

ironchop

01-03-2022, 03:23 PM

I could've done more posting about the UK report week 42 report regarding the useless graphs that were provided in the report, but I feel like I'm mostly talking too much.

Again, you don't have to trust anything I say, but you need to look at the way these numbers a supposedly calculated, consider the profit motives of everyone involved (this will be globally historic profit realized on this one product), look at the way the news media spins "______may be effective in reducing....." and then the copy writers turn it into "has been proven to be 95% effective for prevention of....."

It's not that people are stupid, so much as lazy and gullible. We want abbreviated explanations from the news about how to think about a subject, rather than looking past the facade of the narrative to find the truth.

You got "anti-fascists" totally espousing Fascism as long as it's of the Medical variety. Surely this also flies in the face of their previously espoused ideals of "my body/my right", but they lost sight of the point of antifascism, I guess

You got "Patriots" enforcing this bullshit too. All that talk of personal freedoms and "Muh Constitution!" was all just chest-pounding locker room talk. These guys might want to turn in their weapons because they won't need them anymore. The Republic is OVER if this is allowed to stand and anyone who espouses medical mandates of any kind is no fkn Patriot to me.... Republic, my arse.

"Freedom! As long as it's not scary!"

Honestly, I guess the ranks of both of these political opposites needed to be culled of the bullshitters from the true believers. I guess that's the silver lining in my opinion. Whole bunch of fake people pretending to be something they aren't, got inadvertently outted to the whole world by the likes of Anthony Fauci.

ironchop

01-03-2022, 03:32 PM

Oh and BTW.....

I quit my job after my "red-pilled patriotic" boss comes in the shop back in October saying "we are going to need to get vaxxed so we can serve our customers. No way around it."

Money ....... It's all about money everywhere I look. As long as there's money, souls and Freedom are for sale.

I'm not willing to get enslaved over a paycheck. I know other people are, and I'm sure they have a good reason.

My reasoning is personal integrity. I stand for what I believe in, even when it's unpopular and people mock me. I'm also not jumping on anymore social bandwagons which always ends in embarrassment and denial for everyone on the wagon.

fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 07:52 PM

fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 08:37 PM

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fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 09:39 PM

Sadly, we passed two milestones on VAERS. Over 1 million adverse events and over 21,000 deaths. 30% of those deaths occurred on day 0, 1, or 2 following vaccination. When will federal agencies start being transparent with Americans? Why do they continue to ignore early treatment?

Senator Ron Johnson

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fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 10:21 PM

Here is the philosophy of the New World Order / Globalists / World Economic Forum

The demonic mother of the new world order, Barbara Marx Hubbard (May she burn in hell for all eternity), writes:

“One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”

“This act is as horrible as killing a cancer cell. It must be done for the sake of the future of the whole. So be it: be prepared for the selection process which is now beginning. We, the elders, have been patiently waiting until the very last moment before the quantum transformation, to take action to cut out this corrupted and corrupting element in the body of humanity. It is like watching a cancer grow; something must be done before the whole body is destroyed... The destructive one fourth must be eliminated from the social body.”

Jacques Attali writes in his book called Verbatim in 1981:

“The future will be about finding a way to reduce the population… Of course, we will not be able to execute people or build camps. We get rid of them by making them believe it is for their own good… We will find or cause something, a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus affecting the old or the elderly, it doesn’t matter, the weak and the fearful will succumb to it. The stupid will believe in it and ask to be treated. We will have taken care of having panned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will therefore be done by itself: they will go to the slaughterhouse alone.”

The Wikipedia and mythdetector.ge which is a third party “fact checker” for the bastion of free speech called Facebook calls this propaganda.

This is how I know that this quote is 100% accurate.

Vladimir Zev Zelenko MD

fabiodriven

01-03-2022, 11:17 PM

Insurer Says Deaths For Ages 18-64 Up 40%, COVID-19 Not to Blame

https://uncoverdc.com/2022/01/03/insurer-says-deaths-for-ages-18-64-up-40-covid-19-not-to-blame/

fabiodriven

01-04-2022, 12:20 AM

In the future, people will reflect on this time in history when all the information in the world was at our fingertips yet so many refused to see it. Dystopian indeed. These are my words. The following is an article.

The FDA Wants to Hide Pre-Licensure Data Until You’re Dead and Now the CDC Wants to Hide the Post-Licensure Safety Data | Aaron Siri Substack

You must take this product. You cannot sue if injured. You can maybe see the clinical trial safety data in 75+ years. And the deidentified post-licensure safety data – no, you cannot see that either.

Aaron Siri’s legal team has submitted a request to the CDC, on behalf of ICAN, for the deidentified post-licensure safety data for the Covid-19 vaccines in the CDC’s v-safe system.trailpro Even though this data is available in deidentified form (meaning, it includes no personal health information), the CDC refused to produce this data claiming it is not deidentified.trailpro

What is the v-safe system you may ask?trailpro Since rolling out the Covid-19 vaccines, the FDA and CDC have stated that their primary safety monitoring system, VAERS, is unreliable.trailpro The CDC therefore deployed a new safety monitoring system for COVID-19 vaccines called “v-safe.” trailproV-safe is a smartphone app that allows vaccine recipients to “tell CDC about any side effects after getting the COVID-19 vaccine.”trailpro The purpose of the app “is to rapidly characterize the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccines when given outside a clinical trial setting.”trailpro

But yet, after we submitted a FOIA request to the CDC, on behalf of ICAN, to produce the deidentified v-safe data, the CDC acknowledged that “v-safe data contains approximately 119 million medical entries” but refused to produce that data by claiming that the “information in the app is not de-identified.”trailpro The CDC had apparently not read its own documentation regarding v-safe.

If you find what you are reading difficult to believe, that is because it is dystopian for the government to give pharmaceutical companies billions, mandate Americans to take their products, prohibit Americans from suing for harms, yet refuse to let Americans see the pre- and post-licensure safety data for these products.trailpro

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ironchop

01-05-2022, 07:36 PM

I'm back to aggravate people.....

Research paper from Columbia University...... VERY interesting factoid written in the synopsis in the beginning regarding VAERS information gathering, in case you don't want to read the whole paper.....

".....Comparing our estimate with the CDC-reported VFR (0.002%) suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20, consistent with known VAERS under-ascertainment bias....."

(They are underreporting the deaths and injuries from Covid vaccine by a factor of 20)(for example: 20 dead people would actually be 400 dead people)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355581860_COVID_vaccination_and_age-stratified_all-cause_mortality_risk

Here's another article.... Pay attention to the date......2009......... About the history of vaccine efficacy, dangers, and NEFARIOUS history of drug companies decieving the public at large..... So many parallels to the Swine Flu scare of the 2000s with the covid scare today

https://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/early-and-current-fears-about-vaccine-dangers/

Here's some graphics to explain what I was talking about regarding NOT following scientific study protocol and also a Pfizer Exec Twitter quote for us to mock because it didn't age well and a meme for fun.....

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fabiodriven

01-08-2022, 12:33 AM

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Justice Sotomayor claimed today that there are over 100k children hospitalized from COVID-19 in serious condition.

According to the CDC, as of Jan 1st, there are only 140 children hospitalized from C19 across the US. Even if we look at cumulative numbers since the start of the pandemic, that number is 5,500.

Source: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

@ChiefNerd

Scootertrash

01-08-2022, 09:45 AM

ironchop

01-08-2022, 10:43 AM

JFC. The lies will never end, even when the facts are right in front of peoples faces. With a little bit of digging of course....:rolleyes:

It's interesting that people will spend more time watching over-rated, over-payed athletes than do research pertaining to their health, while at the same time wringing their hands and fondling their beads thinking we're all gonna die...... whilst they smoke cigarettes, eat sh!tty food, and don't exercise..........
Yes we don't care about 75,000 opioid overdoses last year, but we want to "save" people from a virus by hastily approving another dangerous substance down at Ye Olde FDA (Federal Drugpusher Association)

We don't care about the millions that they claim die every year of heart disease or stroke or whatever, from unhealthy products and practices(unless it's tobacco, because "I don't like the smell!") but it's imperative that we save people from a virus.(just wait though, soon they will use every 'health' excuse under the sun to control your every move)

These same leaders attend and participate in global Population Control seminars every single year, and yet people still believe that these people are only passively interested in such subjects as a hobby, and that they truly want to save as many useless eaters on a 'dying planet' as they can....... and still people trip over each other to absorb and trust every word that comes from their mouths

It's mind-blowing. This country will never be the same again, even if this all ends tomorrow. I can't even look at some people anymore, I'm so disappointed and disgusted. It's ripped my own family apart because i don't excuse Fascism of any kind no matter if you're a blood relative or not. Where are those fake Antifascists during all of this? That's how I know they were all just LARPers and Soros Crisis Actors after all. It wasn't about fascism for them at all, it was about electing Democrats because they are too retarded to understand their own ideology. Occupy Wall Street? BAHAHAHAHA!!! Wall Street is rolling in pharmaceutical money and the OWS is sitting at home scheduling their next boosters with their thumbs in their arses, right next to their heads. And the Facebook Patriots? BAHAHAHAHA, again.

I can't wait to get old and die

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El Camexican

01-09-2022, 09:50 PM

Scootertrash

01-10-2022, 09:07 AM

Truth or B.S. story to push for more mask and vax mandates.......even tho she's vaxxed AND boooobies...er...ummmm...boosted

Rules for thee but not for me.....Oh snap!!!!

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4428479/aoc-covid-booster-miami-florida/

She's vaxxed and boosted, still got the coof. Maybe SHE should have followed CDC guidelines......

STRUCK DOWN AOC gets Covid after being spotted partying while maskless in Miami, Florida, and tells everyone to get booster

Ocasio-Cortez was spotted last week without a face mask while vacationing in Miami. A short clip posted to social media showed the congresswoman waving to bargoers to cheers and applause.

Ocasio-Cortez has had a history of criticizing Florida for its lax COVID-19 restrictions during the early waves of the pandemic.

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Scootertrash

01-10-2022, 10:31 AM

So after firing all the hospital staff that didn’t want to submit to forced vaccination this is the solution???

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/ca-healthcare-workers-raise-concerns-over-new-state-covid-19-protocols/2773937/

In case anyone was wondering, you can’t sue a hospital in the States for contracting corona due to negligence practices. Somebody already tried it a few months ago and it got shut down.

From the article:

According to new state guidelines, health care workers who test positive for COVID-19 will no longer have to isolate or test negative and can return to work immediately If they are asymptomatic.

If you people that support this bullsh!t can't see thru the hypocrisy, double standards and outright LIES being forced on the citizens of this country, YOU are the problem, not COVID.

Scootertrash

01-11-2022, 04:48 PM

Well, Well, Well, Lookee here! Another crisis caused by the scamdemic:

Blood shortage

Red Cross declares first-ever national blood crisis
evening-news

By Norah O'Donnell

January 11, 2022 / 11:48 AM / CBS News

The nation's blood supply is dangerously low, prompting the Red Cross to announce a national blood crisis for the first time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/red-cross-blood-crises-united-states-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR3ZdBAPZt8WeaB1uvVaDuEK7-EmBtD0jPmhn2B9-eltTekmahHLhPJccLs

I wonder who'll take credit for fixing it when things start heading back towards normal??............

Who am I kidding??:lol:

We all know who'll try to take credit.......

ATC King

01-11-2022, 11:20 PM

Scootertrash

01-12-2022, 08:24 AM

I heard a rumor they charge 300 a pint at the hospital, anybody know if that's true?

fabiodriven

01-12-2022, 03:13 PM

I could fill this thread with the articles I'm seeing now. It's all day every day, but I don't bother. There is so much news in regards to covid, I don't understand how anyone couldn't see what's going on at this point.

Shep1970

01-12-2022, 03:42 PM

ironchop

01-13-2022, 11:18 AM

Here's a novel idea. Maybe they'll have to start paying for blood.

Plasma donors get paid, why not blood donors? To hell with giving them something for free that many companies make bank on.

I've got the scars from years of plasma donations, to hell with with free blood to the Red Cross.

Not just blood, either

Aborted fetuses are pulled from the clinic trashcan, divided up into marketable tissues, and then sold to other companies for a variety of uses.... All at no compensation to the former mother of the aborted fetus

Girls who donate their hair to the cancer charities to make wigs? Yeah someone profits from that as well.

And on and on and on.

We are just animals being harvested for parts and pieces to fund the giant machine of medical profiteering.

ironchop

01-13-2022, 11:25 AM

It's funny how what "some" people called a conspiracy theory over the past, well over a year is now becoming fact... just about everything I believed to be true actually is.....some friends/family members wont even make eye contact with me because they are seeing the truth come out and seeing it for themselves.
And no i'm not going to explain myself just open your own eyes.

Oh, just gotta add: Do you know you can wear a canoe as a hat? Just tip it over and it'll be cap-sized.......

Ya that was bad!!!!!
never heard that one before thought it was stupidly funny.....

shep

Amen!

I'm seeing the same thing in my personal life and associations.

I told my doctor the other day that I would not be returning annually for my annual checkups because I feel like it's just an excuse to prescribe more pharmacological interventions that are increasingly questionable and proven to be ineffective and even dangerous or deadly

I can no longer go to my general physician and trust that he's actually trying to treat my issues and not just reading treatment protocols off of drug company pamphlets. Sad, but locally I'm not the only one who has lost a tremendous amount of faith in the medical industry as a whole. Some local medical professionals told me in private that they were alarmed with the misinformation of the media and the forcing of experimental treatments but were to afraid to speak out for fear of losing their jobs. I don't want cowards treating me either. It's obvious that they would let me die to save their own careers and that's unacceptable to me. F**k those cowards as well.

I would rather be illegally treated by a doctor who lost his/her license for speaking out, than by a fully licensed coward who looked the other way until payday

Once you believe in a higher power and the eternal life of your own soul, you no longer fear your own death and therefore don't need to grovel at the feet of "medical professionals"......... For me, death is salvation. Who the fck wants to cling to this shi-tee world? Only an idiot.

Scootertrash

01-13-2022, 12:28 PM

[QUOTE=Shep1970;1526111]
Oh, just gotta add: Do you know you can wear a canoe as a hat? Just tip it over and it'll be cap-sized.......[QUOTE]

:lol::naughty::lol:

As a HUGE fan of bad puns and Dad jokes, I award you 10 internets.

Now I need to clean the coffee off of my keyboard, thank you...........

Scootertrash

01-13-2022, 12:45 PM

Scootertrash

01-17-2022, 11:03 PM

If you are unvaccinated, 55% of Democrats want to fine you, 59% want you confined to your home, 48% want you fined or imprisoned for questioning vaccine efficacy, 45% want you forced into "designated facilities," 46% want you digitally tracked, and 29% want to take your children.

These same people are shocked and dismissive when comparisons to Nazi Germany are made. Please tell me again who the Facists are?

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated

Scootertrash

02-02-2022, 11:40 AM

Thanks for checkin' in legacy51:shiftyeyes::Bounce:Bounce:Bounce

Well, here's something that most of us already knew:rolleyes:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/johns-hopkins-study-lockdowns-had-little-to-no-effect-on-covid-19-mortality-but-had-devastating-effects-on-society?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

A new working paper from Johns Hopkins University’s “Studies in Applied Economics” institute claims that COVID-19 lockdowns imposed by a variety of governments worldwide had “little to no effect” on COVID-19 mortality. The study, conducted by three professors from around the world, also found that lockdowns “imposed enormous economic and social costs” and are “ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”

Well no sh!t Sherlock!!

fabiodriven

02-07-2022, 02:01 AM

This is 20 minutes of a hearing that was an hour and 22 minutes long. They're not going to get away with it boys.

https://rumble.com/vu8pmx-dr.-reiner-fuellmich-opening-statements-grand-jury-covid-vaccine-crime-agai.html

Scootertrash

02-08-2022, 06:02 PM

With all the stuff going on in Canada , countries eliminating COVID restrictions, etc, their little world of tyrannic control is falling apart......

fabiodriven

02-08-2022, 06:20 PM

With all the stuff going on in Canada , countries eliminating COVID restrictions, etc, their little world of tyrannic control is falling apart......

The problem is, everything this ties into and the vast amount of dollars, death, corruption and planning this involves makes it a hard turd to pass. This ties into decades of planning, corruption, murder, mass murder, and illegal activities that would make the mafia blush. We're dealing with global crimes against humanity based on covid and the vaccine alone, but that's only the tip of the iceberg. If you tug the covid thread enough, it has the potential to unravel their entire global scheme which involves everything, however they're going to fight that tooth and nail and we're up against people who commit mass murder. They do not have to play by the rules. If it comes to the point their cover is about to get blown they will not hesitate to kill swaths of more people to continue moving forward. A massive part of their agenda is global depopulation, therefore casualties are not a loss to them like they are to us.

Scootertrash

02-09-2022, 05:52 PM

Pfizer Quietly Adds Language Warning That 'Unfavorable Pre-Clinical, Clinical Or Safety Data' May Impact Business

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/pfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may

Now, Pfizer - which just forecast $54 billion in Covid-related sales in 2022, appears to be anticipating some bad news, as evidenced by several redline changes in their Q4 earnings releases.

As Rubicon Capital's Kelly Brown notes on Twitter, the changes center around disclosures of unfavorable safety data.

For example, in Q4 they added: "or further information regarding the quality of pre-clinical, clinical or safety data, including by audit or inspection."

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1491132509593436160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1491132515217592322%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fcovid-19%2Fpfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1491132515217592322?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1491132515217592322%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fcovid-19%2Fpfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may

https://twitter.com/rubiconcapital_/status/1491132520582488064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1491132523556241409%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fcovid-19%2Fpfizer-quietly-adds-language-warning-unfavorable-pre-clinical-clinical-or-safety-data-may

fabiodriven

02-14-2022, 05:42 PM

Grand jury trial in regards to the covid illness and experimental drugs used as bioweapons in a global depopulation agenda. Jump on the truth train now if you're not there already.

While the hours and hours of testimony is a lot to take in, humanity rarely experiences situations such as these. You are living in extremely historic times and it may behoove you to inform yourself. You could prevent further deaths.

If you want to skip to a really good testimony, Dr Bryan Ardis starts speaking at 2:13 on day three part one and goes on for a little over an hour. I'll provide links for the day 3 hearings but if this stuff interests you please be sure to check out the other hearings as well.

https://odysee.com/@FTC-NL-CORONA-ACTIVISME:c/Grand-Jury--Day-3-1--FTC-NL:1

https://odysee.com/@FTC-NL-CORONA-ACTIVISME:c/Grand-Jury--Day-3-2--FTC-NL:d

Scootertrash

02-16-2022, 09:56 AM

Then there's this.....

https://twitter.com/CourageCure/status/1493850903899639813?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

oldskool83

02-23-2022, 08:26 PM

Ancent ailens touched on this back in 2010...the best way to build the next type of human was to kill previous type off...a TV show 12 years ago hit the nail on the head what's going on now...if you think we know the truth we prob know 1% of the real truth. My 4yo hot the flu this week...her daycare has been littered with covid cases....now what's really going on.

Scootertrash

02-26-2022, 12:19 AM

"We've done the best we can to beat this pandemic, we're just going to have to deal with covid being around forever and work with it the best we can. Time to move on with our lives" ��

What bunch of bullsh!t......

And I just saw on the news tonight that the CDC lifted The Mask mandates including for schools..... convenient.

Just as we have some nice big trucker convoys heading to the Capitol to protest all this crap.

Just in time to prep the public for the midterms

https://mobile.twitter.com/hamill_law/status/1497205184790872065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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ironchop

06-19-2022, 10:59 PM

https://theconversation.com/we-dont-know-whether-most-medical-treatments-work-and-we-know-even-less-about-whether-they-cause-harm-new-study-185167

Saw that article a couple days ago in my Google feed

Six months ago I ran into my neighbor at the gas station. We were talking about Covid because he said he had just got out of the hospital with it. Told him we had it but fared ok. He asked if we were vaccinated and I replied 'no' and he says 'you're one of the lucky ones. I almost died!"...I asked him what the deal was and he tells me this crazy story. At first I thought he was being sarcastic or facetious or whatever. He said his wife, a medical professional told him he needed to be vax because he was type 2 diabetic. So he takes the first Pfizer. Then she says "they tell me that we need a booster because of breakthrough infections" so he gets a booster. Then he says 'I got Covid a month later and ended up in the hospital for three days'. I replied something to the effect 'sorry to hear that' and he tells me that he got the third shot six months later because they told him that he must be high risk for breakthrough, so he needs the third shot. He gets the third shot and gets Covid AGAIN for a second time. Does eight days in the hospital the second time he got Covid. So I replied "yeah that vaccine is worthless. I hope you feel better now." and he says "I just got home from there two days ago, so I'm still weak." Then says "I'm glad I got the vaccine because I probably would've died if I hadn't got it" so then I said "how do you know that for sure? Because you never got Covid until AFTER you got vaccinated. Sounds to me like the vaccine didn't work for you especially if you got twice as sick the second time after a second booster". He assured me that doctors all agree he would be dead if not for the vaccine.

You just can't explain it well enough to these people. They believe what they are told regardless of what they experience for themselves

Made me think of this thread so I came back and reread the first thirty pages of it. I had missed all the GuymanPerson posts I guess

I'm still laughing my arse off. The first 25 pages are hilarious. The whole thread didn't age well for Glamy though. None of us rednecks died like he promised. The vaccine didn't save the Erff like he promised. It's nice to know that he at least developed a solid trust in authority and the gubmint after all those years of suspicion.

Watching him meltdown trying to stick to the narrative and sell his soul to Fauci-Gawd was priceless entertainment.

Political parties are two wings of the same bird.

You will own nothing and be happy, so it doesn't matter anyway. Trust us.

Billy Golightly

06-20-2022, 09:31 PM

Still alive and kicking myself with no shot...

No close friends or relatives lost (Hope to keep it that way).

Several friends/acquaintances lost vaxed and unvaxed.
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The willingness to not question what is regurgitated by the .gov and talking heads, still bewildering me...

I did hear a very interesting thing on the radio last night. There are apparently many scientists at the NIH that receive royalty payments, from drug manufactures, that make vaccines and drugs, based on their work while government employees doing research. Fauci was questioned on this by Rand Paul recently, but really didn't answer the question truthfully - said something about he made $700 total between a certain time period but didn't talk about what it was otuside of that time frame.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/fauci-collins-shared-in-secret-nih-royalties-totaling-350m-watchdog-report
https://ofm.od.nih.gov/Pages/Royalties.aspx
https://ahrp.org/nih-scientists-caught-concealing-millions-in-royalties-for-experimental-treatments-ap/ (this is a few old articles dating back to 2005, even)

The details on this are still coming out, but the tldr; is the .gov "science!!!!!!!!!!1111111111" people have a financial incentive to promote products/treatments that they receive royalties from. So we already all kinda figured this was happening, but here is another piece of the roadmap on how exactly it is happening. Makes the coronavirus patent a little bit more explained, too.

Also, there is a new "thing" out called "Adult Sudden Death Syndrome" that we're being warned you should get a check to see if you have a risk for this, it is hereditary allegedly. Not linked to the vaccines, at all, or anything. Plenty of people had heard of it and gotten checks for it, prior to now of course. Common issue and syndrome, obviously.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/06/sudden-adult-death-syndrome-baffles-doctors/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-31-who-went-gym-27098878

ATC King

06-22-2022, 12:53 AM

The real damage likely won't be seen for a while. When the young people who were coerced into the shot start reproducing (if they can), we're liable to see a similar catastrophe to Thalidomide or other 'medications' that caused severe mental and physical suffering for which no prominent doctors/scientist/chemist/politicians who promoted it were held accountable.

Scootertrash

06-22-2022, 01:18 PM

A close friend of mine got vaxxed, not sure if once or if he got boosted as well. He had the rice rabies before the vax came out. Got it again after he got the shot. Said his extremities tingled like a slight electrical shock. I said "And you think that's normal?" I didn't get a response.:wondering

kiser

06-29-2022, 11:08 PM

Wait till the monkey pox vax comes out! We will all be saved from everything, well, we should be, well, maybe, well, just get to save everyone. LOL!

El Camexican

07-02-2022, 11:57 PM

Wait till the monkey pox vax comes out! We will all be saved from everything, well, we should be, well, maybe, well, just get to save everyone. LOL!

Enjoy the name while you can, it’s only going to be called “monkey pox” until AOC tweets that we are demeaning simians with such a blatantly racist term.

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kiser

07-05-2022, 08:44 PM

Lol that's true, it has to hurt someone's feelings eventually.

ironchop

07-05-2022, 08:59 PM

Enjoy the name while you can, it’s only going to be called “monkey pox” until AOC tweets that we are demeaning simians with such a blatantly racist term.

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It is not lost on me, that every time a Leftist hears the word "monkey", "chimp", "gorilla", "silverback", "knuckle dragger" or any other simian reference, they immediately insist "they obviously are referring to black people!"

Why? Because leftists automatically think of black people when they hear the word "monkey"?

Seriously? I think "human looking hairy creature at the zoo" when I hear that word.....I don't automatically assume "black folks "

This is rather telling, no? Freudian Slip of sorts, perhaps?

Reminds me of that video with the white Knight progressives at Berkeley saying that voter ID is racist because "black people don't know where the license branch is"... Cracker Leftists are just dripping with paternalistic racism. I have some very nasty screenshots from Twitter of lefties calling Justice Clarence Thomas the N word because they wrongly believe that abortion is now outlawed by SCOTUS. I'll refrain from posting it here because that sort of language is like Don't Break Rule #1 around here and it's too rude even for Fracas Establishment.

Moral of my story......., A bunch of leftists appear to be closet racists trying hard to stay crypto for social points.

Carry on.

El Camexican

07-08-2022, 03:35 PM

Nailed it!!!

El Camexican

08-04-2022, 09:14 AM

And there it is….

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/08/01/1113908154/critics-say-monkeypox-is-a-racist-name-but-its-not-going-away-anytime-soon

ironchop

08-04-2022, 11:42 PM

I wonder if 'everyone' has gotten his fourth booster yet or his monkeypox shot..... You don't want to give monkeypox to someone's grandma, do you?

Plus when you see how effective it was to protect the President of the United States, I mean why wouldn't you go and get four different doses of that groundbreaking treatment that they call a vaccine. The proof is in the Puddinghead, no?

Is it ironic that the same people talking about the word 'monkey' having a negative connotation "for black and LGBTQ people's" are also the same people that are saying on the news every couple hours "monkeypox is primarily transmitted by unprotected sex between non-monogamous gay and queer men" or am I misunderstanding the definition of 'irony'?

Asking for a friend

Scootertrash

08-05-2022, 03:57 PM

Well, my definition of ironing is pushing a heavy, hot, steaming piece of steel and plastic over my clothes to remove wrinkles.

But that doesn't sound like what you're talking about.

The only other way I know of to get rid of wrinkles is to have the wife blow on my peep.......:naughty::w00t:

YMMV

ironchop

08-05-2022, 07:35 PM

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ATC King

08-07-2022, 09:44 PM

ironchop

08-07-2022, 11:42 PM

My grandmother was in a nursing home during the covid lockdown. She had dementia and because insane politicians and medical 'experts' kept family from visiting, she thought that family had abandoned her. Mom had to fight to get in to see her own mother. The day after mom and her siblings were finally allowed in to see their mother, she passed.

The cause of death was deemed as 'covid'. It most certainly was the hell not. She was malnourished and not taken care of (had infections) by the nursing home because mom was unable to go in on a regular basis and survey how her mother was being cared for.

The amount of pain and suffering caused by those who initiated the lock downs is beyond criminal, it's evil incarnate.Oh you too, huh?

So very sorry for your loss Clint.

My mom died December 24 2020. Before she died, I had to visit her through a glass door. Not allowed to touch her or hug her and still had to wear the stupid mask while inside a glass lobby by myself whenever I was allowed an appointment to see her. It broke both our hearts. She says they constantly lied and attributed every single death in her nursing home to Covid-19. I didn't look at her death certificate. I didn't have the heart to look. I would've just been angrier. She had Parkinson's disease.

It was completely demoralizing for her and I will never forgive these POS employees of the WHO, CDC, HHS, FDA and any politicians involved from either party. I'm also disgusted by the professional healthcare workers who knew this bs vaccine was dangerous and ineffective and they stand silent to this day to save their own livelihoods. They knew the masks and social distancing were absolutely useless but they happily went along with the clown show. My trust in healthcare is eroded to almost nothing at this point. I can't trust that my own doctor isn't just diagnosing my issues and reading my treatment protocol off the pamphlet of some serially-criminally-fined drug company who cares nothing for my well-being and only about massive profits for muh investors and muh executive compensations

In other news that same year, I had to drop my dog off outside the vet for him to be put down without me present just six months before my mom died.... Because Covid. Couldn't let my dog get covid from me before the euthanizing drugs took effect. I despise these people with everything I have inside me. I pray to God for peace almost every day but I'm heartbroken like you wouldn't believe (or yeah you probably would believe... Just a figure of speech, Clint. That's all I mean)

You want to know the worst part? Some of the people responsible for these policies all the way at the top in DC and this absolute TRAVESTY of healthcare justice are my own brother and his wife both who work for HHS/CDC and the FDA respectively....a senior policy advisor and a pharmacist......I could puke every single time I think about it. I used to be too ashamed to tell people, but then I figured "why am I ashamed?" ....I can't control what they do. I hope they are happy with themselves. I hope their fancy careers were worth the lives lost, the people they injured, the lies they told, the people they gaslighted, the division they've sewn, the careers they destroyed, the lives they destroyed, the people they mocked and ridiculed, and the businesses they destroyed. There is no greater evil, in my opinion except maybe child traffickers. Disgusting.

So far, I've lost a business acquaintance to a vaccine injury death and two extended family members. Almost a dozen friends are vaccine injured but still living. Almost everyone fully vaccinated that I know, has caught covid. Many of them caught it twice and some are angry and finally aware and others are still drinking the Kool-aid of Idiocy. Out of over a hundred vaxxed ppl I know, only a single handful didn't catch Covid yet...."100% effective" is B***SH*T! ...... More like 5% effective

I lost friends and family who turned on me because I wouldn't get vaccinated and they were too wrapped up in the propaganda to stop and think critically that it would make NO FKN SENSE AT ALL that an unvaccinated person could get a vaccinated person sick just like the news, their politicians, and "scientists" were telling them. It seems completely sensible to them that the paid pharmaceutical "scientists" employed by those companies and the FDA who is literally funded by these same companies who insisted safety and efficacy were considered unbiased experts in the news media marketing blitzkrieg. It never even once occurred to them that the "healthcare" system is corrupt, like every single other department and bureaucracy that's a part of the Federal government. It didn't matter to them what was in the CDC's own webpage, whether in the VAERS section or the Comorbidities section. Only matters to them what the media says is best. On top of that, the guy who received royalties from the gene therapies they were pushing was the guy calling for mandates..... Calling them "approved" when they were only approved for emergency use and were NEVER fully tested..... Now they want six month old babies to get the shots. Their hubris and recklessness knows no boundaries. They will leave no innocent human being left untouched for their precious agenda.

I'm holding out hope that they will eventually burn in Hell for what they've done and if not, I would like they go to jail and/or get anal monkeypox

I hope they ALL choke on Joe Biden and Anthony Faucis lies. My old "friends" can FK off too.

So you see there's a good reason I'm so salty in this thread. It's not because I just want to be a contrarian a-whole.

May my mom and your grandma both rest in peace Clint and may the Lord heal their broken hearts. I'm not sure mine can be helped. Peace, brother.

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Billy Golightly

08-11-2022, 09:41 AM

Chop...that is tragic. I don't even know what other words or descriptives to use....horrendous. I don't know if that is something a person can ever recover from and gain any peace from...i truly hope you are able to achieve and reach it when the time is right for you though.

My father had to go in the hospital with a hematoma from a fall in September of 2020. I had been sick in March of 2020 and was able to keep him or mom from getting it, and we had kept him in such a bubble the whole year, he has a lot of health issues and is 89 now. When he went into the hospital and I was there with him for the hematoma, all I could think about was how they would find a way to isolate us from each other. We were in covid capital in Florida at the time from what I remember hearing or being told, a hospital in Gainesville FL. Place was packed with people up and down the hallway. Luckily I was able to stay with him because he technically hadn't been fully admitted, we waited out there in the hallway lined with people on gurneys about 8hr, finally got to a bed for about 2hrs, and then I AMA'd us out of there for other reasons, but man. That was so scary...every minute of every hour I was there, that was all I could think about. us being separated, him being confused wondering where I was and why I wasn't there, wondering if I had abandoned him or something, and leaving him to people that didn't give a crap (not to say everyone is that way, but I mean, how long do you let someone lay in soiled bedding after being begged by me to change or help him because he wasn't in shape to get out of the bed on his own? Anyways...I got him out of there and home and mom and I stayed with him pretty much everyday for a month and nursed him back to pretty good health, almost as good as before the fall.

A few weeks ago though, our luck finally ran out on avoiding covid again and we had a rash of it go through our office. First mom caught, I thought I had skated by, we sent her to my house, I moved back in with dad for a couple days, then I wound up getting it, and then he wound up getting it also a few more days later. He was bad, bad sick and congested about 2 days. The one morning mom and I talked about having to take him to the hospital because his o2 levels were getting pretty low (91). If you don't have an at home o2 meter that clamps on your fingertip, I recommend one. Anyways, I really, really did not want to have to do that because I was still sick and wouldn't be able to be with him, but I didn't want him to die at home if he could have gotten some oxygen or something to kind of help out. We were very very fortunate though, that later that day he decided to climb on the mower and get in the sun, and it really did seem to help him. We kept socking the vitamin b, d, zinc, c, garlic, quecertin, and elderberry to him with 2 or 3 theraflu packets a day, and luckily in about 2 more days after that he was just about through it and over. Another very near miss, and again, another scenario and situation where I was contemplating and dreading having to deal with a hospital and being separated. Mom got over hers, and I'm over mine although I probably still have the worst lingering cough out of anyone. All I can advise is, keep 12-15 bottles of various vitamins around and take them on a regular daily schedule and have some extras if you need to give to friends or family. I think it helped us a lot. The congestion was not as bad this time for me, but dad did have it probably as bad as I did the first go around, which was very bad. The other side affects were horrendous body pains and aches from the fever, weakness, I felt like wiley coyote in looney tunes that had every acme crate ever dropped onto him from an airplane. Everyone else that has had it recently tells me the same thing.

FL has recently passed some legislation that says family members cannot be prevented from visiting critical/terminal family members in the hospital. I don't know what the practical application of that has been yet, but it makes me feel good someone gave a trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro enough at least to attempt to address the travesty that those situations have been the last 2 years.

ironchop

08-13-2022, 12:53 AM

I'm glad you and the family recovered

I had similar symptoms a few weeks ago, but tested negative for covid. Body was sore in every possible place on it like I had fallen off a mountain or got hit by a truck. Cough started on day two. Went home early on day two and bombed myself with the horse paste medicine and zinc supplements. Felt way better day three and back to normal day four. Couldn't tell what I had but I've never been that sore since I can remember and the horse medicine seemed to kill it...... I'm not giving anyone medical advice and you should probably not do what I did unless you're stubborn like me and then I still don't recommend it. It's just what I did and coincidentally, or not, I wasn't sick anymore after the third day. Purely coincidence *wink*

Scootertrash

08-13-2022, 09:22 AM

ironchop

08-13-2022, 02:31 PM

So you haven't acquired a sudden craving for sugar cubes and apples?? ;) :lol:

Yup.... And muh dick got way bigger too

Scootertrash

08-14-2022, 09:02 AM

Yup.... And muh dick got way bigger too

:lol: :naughty: :beer

ironchop

09-06-2022, 01:20 PM

I heard the CDC quietly added ivermectin as an accepted treatment for Covid.(NOT TRUE ACCORDING TO NIH)(SEE POST BELOW) I also noticed that they relaxed the quarantine suggestions, are quietly admitting masks, lockdowns, and social distancing didn't work, and that the vaccine isn't very effective.

I can post some links but I'm too lazy and if you don't believe me, you can check it out yourself and correct me if I'm reading it wrong.

I keep hearing "the science has changed" as an explanation for the failures of the Nazi mandates and I'm seeing many people who were pro-vac/pro-mask/pro-lockdown trashing the CDC online now for relaxing their recommendations and forecasts. They are being called liars and politicizers by a large amount of online folks who went all in on the fear campaign who are claiming that the CDC is now irresponsible and endangering the public with these new recommendations. I don't think they will ever get it no matter how much you slap them in the face with facts. They are too invested in the virtue signaling and have alienated too many people to quit now. They will triple down until the day they die just to save face.

I'm also seeing Trump being blamed now for the dangerous and ineffective vaccine campaign and lockdown failures. Even Fauci is trying to say "I never said we needed to lockdown anything"..... Yeah..... Typical 'blame it on the orange man' behavior.

You got your fifth booster yet, Rick?
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Scootertrash

09-07-2022, 11:15 AM

Thanks 'chop!! :beer

Hunh. Whodathunkit?

I mean besides a large portion of the US population........

Ya know, if you could work up the energy to post those links I would be greatly appreciative.

ironchop

09-07-2022, 01:05 PM

Thanks 'chop!! :beer

Hunh. Whodathunkit?

I mean besides a large portion of the US population........

Ya know, if you could work up the energy to post those links I would be greatly appreciative.Like I said above, I heard this. I decided to deep dive after noticing that "fact checkers" have been fired up to debunk that claim.

So I went to the NIH website myself.

I urge everyone else to read it as well. You can't take anyone's word for anything these days including mine. I only report what SEEMS to be credible but honestly both sides of this coin are completely full of bias and turdsoup.

What I got from the NIH is "we don't recommend it, even though it's showed some positive results in some studies which we don't approve of because they aren't 'peer reviewed' and other studies that we DO approve of from third-world countries state otherwise. Nevertheless we and many others are STILL studying the efficacy of ivermectin to treat covid in other trials, even though we say definitively that it doesn't work!" ......hmmmmm.... Still spending money and time studying something that has "no better result than placebo" but allowing it to be used (irrelevantly, according to them) in ongoing studies. I'm not sure why you'd want to use something that doesn't work as a treatment to use as a treatment in other studies. Placebo would be cheaper than buying ivermectin if they are the same end result. After reading the NIH page, I have more questions than answers, the most important one being "If it doesn't work, why are you still approving it for study in other trials?"

In short, I can say that it appears by the NIH that Ivermectin is NOT APPROVED to treat Covid 19 and that what has been widely spread online is BS in that regard.... Going by the NIH website

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/

By the way, peer-reviewed scientific studies are retracted quite often for a littany of things, including falsified trials, falsified trial results, and plagiarism among other things, so be careful with what you support that appears to be "backed by a scientific study". See Retraction Watch website to get a taste of the kinds of fkery that goes on by "science".... Also be aware that science and retraction watch both are funded by problematic entities (I don't tend to put much weight into a study for a pharmaceutical product funded by it's developer that paints the product as "safe and effective" especially considering how often those study results turned out to be biased and patients died as a result

It appears that the misinformation was started after someone just read this NIH page without actually clicking on the Ivermectin section and reading further.....
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It also bears mentioning that the same people saying "studies show Ivermectin to be ineffective to treat covid" were ALSO the very same people who said "studies show Pfizer covid vaccine 90% effective at preventing covid infection" which turned out to be utter horsesh*t....... Either that study was flawed or it was completely fabricated from thin air and all the vaxxed people who caught Covid after the Pfizer boosters that I know personally can attest to that..... Unless the 10% are confidentially all geographically located in southern Kentucky and all the Pfizer people who got covid in other states are also either the 10% or they are lying.

In other news....

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7133e1.htm

I noticed an interesting statement on this page. So natural immunity is a thing again?
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Scootertrash

09-07-2022, 01:48 PM

Thanks!! :beer

kiser

09-07-2022, 08:43 PM

Good info, thanks for posting it!

ironchop

09-14-2022, 12:41 PM

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-naked-absurdity-of-global-public-health/

Good editorial. I thought from the beginning that this whole thing was so completely absurd and that "medical professionals" were bold-faced lying to the public repeatedly and then gaslighted them when they pointed it out. Many of us didn't fall for the lies.

The scariest part, are the medical professionals and scientists who knew better and kept their mouths shut or even helped perpetuate the absurd narrative. They are still clinging to it. Ego before Truth. Ego before Compassion. I think they know that to admit this was all an exercise in absurdity and economic propaganda to push profit margins and incite political control and communication control, would cause people to lose trust in anything they opine from here on out. A doctor's opinion is his/her livelihood and for his/her credibility to be smashed on a global scale would send them into ruin.

I guess the silver lining is that I've been pushed into changing my diet habits and exercising more frequently since that's my best chance for survival of most disease. I'm no longer interested in any pharmaceutical solutions or offerings.

Makes me wonder what all lies they've told us up until 2020 that we don't know about.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again....I don't even want to visit my GP anymore for my annual screenings and I told my wife to wait until I'm unconscious to send me to the hospital for any reason other than a blood leak that can be stitched up or a broken bone that can be cast. That's really sad, but my trust in public/private healthcare has diminished to nearly zero at this point and Covid-19 and the endless lies and misrepresentations of the treatment and the social response from "Trusted professionals" and "science" is 95% of the reason for that. I'm not going to live in fear of "what might happen!" for the rest of my life. I'll die when I'm supposed to. Fear of Death has enabled these people vast power over us and free rent inside our heads. I'll take my grandkids to the doctor, certainly, but I'm not bothering for myself unless I'm almost dead and it's something I can trust them to help me with.

"The science is settled" ....... True scientific method ensures that science is never settled at all

When science is settled, we are all living Gods with the knowledge of how everything that exists works and can create anything we want. We are FAR from that and the people who say that any science is settled are both ignorant and delusional. No true scientists of any part of the definition would believe otherwise.

Even public health are owned and puppeteered by an economic elite. Hypocrates Oath, my arse.

We need to stop telling ourselves that certain medical and teaching professionals are above reproach, that they are immune to the same personal Sins that effect any other humans, that they are morally incorruptible, beholden only to Truth, or practice sound scientific method without personal bias or economic agenda.

The sooner we all come to terms with THAT reality, the sooner we can all, not only heal from the damage, but restore Truth in Science and identify those who practice it.

Edit to Add:

If you're under the impression that anyone in the public arena, anyone employed by the federal government in any capacity, or any Twatter or Facecrook "expert" represents the cream of the professional crop by any stretch of the imagination, then you've got to address that belief system first because it's just simply not the case. Ever. Forever and always. Pond Scum is what rises to the top of the Bureaucratic dung pond both locally and globally

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ironchop

09-14-2022, 11:29 PM

Hmmmmm ..

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/09/14/cdc-admits-it-falsely-claimed-it-was-monitoring-vaccine-safety-but-still-wont-release-the-full-data/

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Scootertrash

09-16-2022, 12:49 PM

Many of us didn't fall for the lies.

Amazing ain't it? AND we were right!!!

ironchop

10-17-2022, 05:46 PM

This one is for Rick (Glamy) or anyone else who behaved in a similar manner towards friends, family, strangers during The Big Fleece 2020

https://youtu.be/zz-YT9zlxm0

Let's revisit these priceless classics:

"You unvaccinated people are getting everyone sick and my vaccine only works if you get one too!"

"I'm following the science!"

"It's just for two weeks!"

"It's just until we flatten the curve!"

"It's just until nobody gets sick!"

"It's just so the hospitals won't be overwhelmed!"

"You won't get covid if you get vaxxed"

"You are vaxxed and got covid, but it would've been much worse if you hadn't been vaccinated!"

"You might still get covid if you get vaxxed, but you won't be hospitalized"

"You might get covid, but you won't transmit covid"

"You might get covid, transmit covid, and be hospitalized but at least you won't die"

"You might die even if you're vaccinated"

"You might get covid, transmit covid, and be hospitalized but that's proof that it's working as intended"

"I hope you get Covid and die, you unvaccinated piece of sh*t!"

"The unvaccinated should be fired and then locked away in camps!"

"If you're unvaccinated then you're not my friend anymore!"

"It's going to be death for the unvaccinated!"

"It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated!"

"The unvaccinated are primarily uneducated white conservative hillbillies!"

"The unvaccinated are making everyone who's vaccinated, sick!"

What say you now? What kind of University of Joe Biden fake science are you following now? What kind of fool will you make of yourself next? Turn on CNN and let them tell you about how fluid your gender is. Just a snip here, a tuck there and a jab here and now you're a vaxxed woman-man! Your federal possession of marijuana charge is expunged! Your student loans are forgiven! Your climate tax was paid and your climate it's fixed! Your electric cars will save you from fossil fuels just as soon as we turn on the electricity again! Your maggots and crickets taste just like In-n-Out burgers! Your pronouns are They/Them! Your Bill of Rights is toilet paper! Work makes you Free! Your Ministry of Truth dispels disinformation! Censorship is Freedom of Speech!

HAHAHAHA [emoji1787]

Would you like me to pour you a big steaming hot cup of I Told You So? It's delicious! Made from Progressive tears with just a dash of MRNA!

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