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x.system
02-29-2004, 01:36 PM
I got this in my email the other day and it seems to make sence to me. They say $3.00 a gallon by summer and its getting closer here. We are up to $1.79 for the cheap grade and I was paying $1.50 around christmas. Anyway, read it and lets hear some thoughts.

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: Join the resistance!!!!


To all I have passed this message onto,

As all of you know I spent 20 years in the ocean transportation industry for 20 years, I can tell you first hand how the following plan can and will work. If you look at the price of oil vs. the price of gasoline and heating oil compared to just a few years ago, the oil companies are getting richer buy the minute. Support the smaller companies and show the majors that we will not pay for their high salaries, bonuses and stock options.


Join the resistance!!!!

I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want
gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united
action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH
MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going
around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that
because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.
It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.

Please read it and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super
cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town.
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to
think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need
to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the
marketplace....not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see
the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not
purchasing their gas!

And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on
our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas
prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here! 'is the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline
from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.
If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices.
If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas
buyers.

It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on me at this point...keep
reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to,
at least, ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least
ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the
sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten
friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes
one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten
more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! Acting together we can
make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT
UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

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Rex K. Olsen
Realtor/Sales Associate
Tel. 908-658-5577 Ext.1041 or 908-464-5590
Cell. 732-371-8888
E-mail: rexolsen@recnj.com
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CHAINSAW
02-29-2004, 01:52 PM
I aint emailing no one.. lol I work in the oil and gas field, so high gas prices just means more bonus', and raises for me... it puts food on my table. :-P

smokinwrench
02-29-2004, 01:58 PM
I agree I hate paying high price for gas, but if gas and oil had inflated like everything else has we would probably be paying $8.00 per gallon. Rember it wasn't that long ago that you could buy a new pickup for $15,000. Heck I remeber them and I don't concider myself to be that old. Everything is a lot more expensive than it use to be. I think in Europe they pay lots more than we do for gas.

Billy Golightly
02-29-2004, 01:59 PM
My mom was talking about this the other day, and I told her I was glad I was driving a Diesel :D While the price difference won't be real big between the 2, every ltitle bit helps. And if the fuel prices do indeed go to $3.00 a gallon I can always run tax free diesel ;) At that kind of price per gallon it would be cheaper to just pay the fines!

smokinwrench
02-29-2004, 03:28 PM
I can always run tax free diesel ;) At that kind of price per gallon it would be cheaper to just pay the fines!

Here is a nice little quote I found on the net: · Having dyed diesel in the fuel tanks attached to a licensed motor vehicle:
First Offense: $2,500 fine, Class A misdemeanor
Second or Subsequent Offense: $5,000 Class 4 felony


I have read somewhere of other fines. $100.00 for every 1 gallon of capacity of your fuel tank(s). EX: 35 gallon tank=$3500.00 fine.

Eric
02-29-2004, 03:37 PM
the gas prices are wack!!! here in illinois its 1.80 where i live but in Baton Rouge Louisiana its $1.15. Now answer me this... do politics have anything to do with this?

x.system
02-29-2004, 04:25 PM
My mom was talking about this the other day, and I told her I was glad I was driving a Diesel :D While the price difference won't be real big between the 2, every ltitle bit helps. And if the fuel prices do indeed go to $3.00 a gallon I can always run tax free diesel ;) At that kind of price per gallon it would be cheaper to just pay the fines!

I'm in the market for a new vehicle and am considering that as an option for the long run. Buying a diesel that is, I don't think I would run off road diesel. Truck drivers will keep diesel down, they've done it before. They have alot of control in this market. If all the trucks came to a stand still everyone would be hurting.

compaqkoci
02-29-2004, 06:11 PM
we don't need to stop buying gas at other places we just need to bomb some more country's and take their OIL!!! :D :-D :twisted:

J.D.
02-29-2004, 08:27 PM
Basterds. It's up to 1.95 a gallon for regular here. It's all about money, is what it is. I don't buy Exxon or Mobil gas anyways, I usually buy Chevron gas.

smokinwrench
02-29-2004, 09:27 PM
I work on the pump engines at a fuel storage facility. It was explained to me that all gas and desiel are the same until the tanker pulls up. At that point it has different additives put into it to make it a brand name. So Exxon just uses a little couple different additives than say Chevron. I don't think it matters what you do if they want the price to be $1.95 per gallon they know you will pay it.

Billy Golightly
02-29-2004, 10:00 PM
Have any of you guys ever heard of bio-diesel?

x.system
02-29-2004, 10:13 PM
I work on the pump engines at a fuel storage facility. It was explained to me that all gas and desiel are the same until the tanker pulls up. At that point it has different additives put into it to make it a brand name. So Exxon just uses a little couple different additives than say Chevron. I don't think it matters what you do if they want the price to be $1.95 per gallon they know you will pay it.

I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a minute. Look at what happened when the truckers came to a stand still last year. Diesel was on the rise and they didn't stand for it. Have you noticed diesel hasn't went up nearly as high as regular gasoline, its almost the same price it was last summer, which is still to high. They already know they can't pull a fast one on the truckers because they WILL do something about it.

If everyone buys from a smaller company and stays away from the 2 largest companys Exxon or Mobil , you don't think that will hurt them? I know for a fact it will, I have seen at least three smaller gas stations close their doors this year alone in my town because of gas prices. We already have price wars in my town and its the smaller company's trying to stay alive that are doing it. Wait until Exxon or Mobil are the only companies left, you think you pay alot now.

Lets all be sheep and pay $8.00 a gallon for a gasoline and see where that gets us. :rolleyes:

AirManCam
02-29-2004, 10:33 PM
Wow...IMO diesel is the only way to go. My friend has a brand new F350 supercrew, and he can get around 800 miles on a tank full!!! And with diesel being cheaper....I think my next truck will be a diesel!

YTZ250#1
02-29-2004, 11:09 PM
we don't need to stop buying gas at other places we just need to bomb some more country's and take their OIL!!! :D :-D :twisted:

I thought Bush said this war was going to bring gas prices down.WTF is up with that??We could have took full control of the place and had 25 cent a gallon gas.What a waste of good soldiers dying every day to catch a couple of bad guys.We should just wipe them all out and get it over with,you know we will be there for 20 more years at this rate.And I'm sure by then gas will be at least $8.00 a gallon.

TimSr
03-01-2004, 12:43 PM
I applaud these groups with good intentions but their suggested actions are based on total ignorance.

The Exxon that drills crude, the Exxon that refines crude, and the Exxon Franchise for gas stations, and Exxon dealers are each totally separate and independant entities. Refineries buy crude from whatever sources are available. It may be Exxon from Alaska, but the largest holder and seller of crude is a bunch of 3rd world countries who band together for price fixing, that we call OPEC. Crude price is based on supply and demand. When prices drop, OPEC decreases production, which increases demand, and crude prices go back up. They simply control crude price by turning off the faucet and deciding when to turn it back on again. This is why some people feel domestic drilling is important to wean us off of OPEC as our main supplier.

Refineries buy it, turn it into gas, and sell it to gas stations through distributors to whoever wishes to buy it. This means your Exxon refined gas may be supplying Dairy Mart, Stop N go, Earl's Shell station, Bobs Citgo or Exxon stations. Only problem with refinement is the EPA has about 12 different standards of refinement and required additives, depending on what part of the country the gas is going to. The gas for some places costs more to make than gas for other places, and just by virtue of having to make several kinds of gas instead of one, productions costs are greatly increased. A company can have an overstock of California gas, and a production problem with Michigan gas which can cause price spikes in one area while prices may remain much lower in others.

Then as it gets to gas stations, you have company operated Exxon stations, which are owned by Exxon, and run by Exxon salaried employess, where they may or may not be selling Exxon refined gas. You also have independant dealers, who are small business people who own their gas station, employ their own people, and buy into the Exxon franchise so they can display an Exxon sign, and get marketing and business assistance from Exxon in exchange for complying with Exxon dictated business standards.

But wait, we arent done yet! From crude to pump, your gas gets taxed every time it moves! In Ohio there is a sticker on the pumps that says $.69 of each gallon of gas is federal, state, and local taxes. Think of it. If gas were FREE it would still cost .69 a gallon just to pay the taxes on it! When I started driving in 1978, gas SOLD for $.56 a gallon!

I have no idea what an oil company makes from a gallon of gas. Most of your overnight price jumps are from your independant gas stations trying to take advantage of inventory in the tanks bought at a lower price. These are mostly small time station onwers, not oil companies. Longer term pump price increases are from refinement and distribution price increases. And of course, when OPEC raises crude, those increases are eventually reflected in pump prices. Do small time dealers gouge us when they get an opportunity? Sure, but overall, at the end of the year, they dont make much money selling gas. Do refineries gouge us? Probably, when crude prices increases are immediately followed by refinery prices before any of the higher price crude has ever been obtained. Do we get gouged on crude by OPEC? Bend over buddy! Do we get gouged by domestic drillers in Alaska and Texas? The main reason we import so much crude is because drilling costs in the US based on environmental regulations has driven most of them out of business. In many cases its cheaper to import than to drill in the US.

I guess its easy to just blame "BIG OIL", and our politicians are dependant upon your ignorance to deflect the blame to the "BIG OIL" for problems they cause. I have no idea if they are burning us, and neither does anybody calling for action to punish them. I dont know what they make on a gallon of gas, but Im willing to make a wager that "BIG OIL" makes far less money on a gallon of gas than your government. If you want to blame somebody, why not blame who is most responsible? Did your politician bitching about "BIG OIL" vote for the Clinton gas tax? Did he vote to repeal the Clinton gas tax?

My basic phone service went from $26 to about $40 in the last 10 years. First instinct is to blame those greedy bastards at Sprint, but when I look over teh bill, I notice Sprint increases amount to less than $1.00. The others are all new govt taxes and surcharges.

You want lower gas prices, get more crude from the US, make more uniform environmental standards for refinement, and get rid of the majority of the EPA standards which are idiotic, and start peeling off the taxes, and we could easily have sub $1.00 gas again.

J.D.
03-01-2004, 01:52 PM
I thought Bush said this war was going to bring gas prices down.WTF is up with that??We could have took full control of the place and had 25 cent a gallon gas.What a waste of good soldiers dying every day to catch a couple of bad guys.We should just wipe them all out and get it over with,you know we will be there for 20 more years at this rate.And I'm sure by then gas will be at least $8.00 a gallon.

Right on dude, right on.


TimSr you make a lot of sense out of all this mess, and what it all comes down to is Taxes. Taxes, taxes, taxes. It's a bunch of BS and the whole damn government needs to be reworked, but I think it's a little too late now.

Ivan T
03-01-2004, 02:04 PM
Maybe the government are paying for all the bombs that have been exploded over the last couple of years??

Will there be any petrol left in 20 years?? not much at current estimates!! so it will be more expensive, supply and demand.

Its true we pay alot more for fuel over here so people drive more economical cars. About 20% of all cars(all trucks) sold are diesels.
Average diesel saloon (neon and a bit bigger) is a 2.0 turbo and about 110-130bhp. This should return about 45-55mpg, whether cruising around or doing 90mph on the motorway.

cyclepsycho
03-01-2004, 08:33 PM
There is another way! We now have the technology to end our dependance on OPEC and keep the tree huggers happy. I don't know why our government isn't pushing this full force. Here is an article, its long but well worth the read, Chicken guts, poop, and garbage all turned into fuel. Pay attention to where it states this is scalable, meaning it can be put in the back of a car - remember in Back to the future?---

Anything into Oil
Technological savvy could turn 600 million tons of turkey guts and other waste into 4 billion barrels of light Texas crude each year
By Brad Lemley
Photography by Tony Law


Gory refuse, from a Butterball Turkey plant in Carthage, Missouri, will no longer go to waste. Each day 200 tons of turkey offal will be carted to the first industrial-scale thermal depolymerization plant, recently completed in an adjacent lot, and be transformed into various useful products, including 600 barrels of light oil.

In an industrial park in Philadelphia sits a new machine that can change almost anything into oil.
Really.
"This is a solution to three of the biggest problems facing mankind," says Brian Appel, chairman and CEO of Changing World Technologies, the company that built this pilot plant and has just completed its first industrial-size installation in Missouri. "This process can deal with the world's waste. It can supplement our dwindling supplies of oil. And it can slow down global warming."
Pardon me, says a reporter, shivering in the frigid dawn, but that sounds too good to be true.
"Everybody says that," says Appel. He is a tall, affable entrepreneur who has assembled a team of scientists, former government leaders, and deep-pocketed investors to develop and sell what he calls the thermal depolymerization process, or TDP. The process is designed to handle almost any waste product imaginable, including turkey offal, tires, plastic bottles, harbor-dredged muck, old computers, municipal garbage, cornstalks, paper-pulp effluent, infectious medical waste, oil-refinery residues, even biological weapons such as anthrax spores. According to Appel, waste goes in one end and comes out the other as three products, all valuable and environmentally benign: high-quality oil, clean-burning gas, and purified minerals that can be used as fuels, fertilizers, or specialty chemicals for manufacturing.
Unlike other solid-to-liquid-fuel processes such as cornstarch into ethanol, this one will accept almost any carbon-based feedstock. If a 175-pound man fell into one end, he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water. While no one plans to put people into a thermal depolymerization machine, an intimate human creation could become a prime feedstock. "There is no reason why we can't turn sewage, including human excrement, into a glorious oil," says engineer Terry Adams, a project consultant. So the city of Philadelphia is in discussion with Changing World Technologies to begin doing exactly that.
"The potential is unbelievable," says Michael Roberts, a senior chemical engineer for the Gas Technology Institute, an energy research group. "You're not only cleaning up waste; you're talking about distributed generation of oil all over the world."
"This is not an incremental change. This is a big, new step," agrees Alf Andreassen, a venture capitalist with the Paladin Capital Group and a former Bell Laboratories director.


The offal-derived oil, is chemically almost identical to a number two fuel oil used to heat homes.

Andreassen and others anticipate that a large chunk of the world's agricultural, industrial, and municipal waste may someday go into thermal depolymerization machines scattered all over the globe. If the process works as well as its creators claim, not only would most toxic waste problems become history, so would imported oil. Just converting all the U.S. agricultural waste into oil and gas would yield the energy equivalent of 4 billion barrels of oil annually. In 2001 the United States imported 4.2 billion barrels of oil. Referring to U.S. dependence on oil from the volatile Middle East, R. James Woolsey, former CIA director and an adviser to Changing World Technologies, says, "This technology offers a beginning of a way away from this."
But first things first. Today, here at the plant at Philadelphia's Naval Business Center, the experimental feedstock is turkey processing-plant waste: feathers, bones, skin, blood, fat, guts. A forklift dumps 1,400 pounds of the nasty stuff into the machine's first stage, a 350-horsepower grinder that masticates it into gray brown slurry. From there it flows into a series of tanks and pipes, which hum and hiss as they heat, digest, and break down the mixture. Two hours later, a white-jacketed technician turns a spigot. Out pours a honey-colored fluid, steaming a bit in the cold warehouse as it fills a glass beaker.
It really is a lovely oil.
"The longest carbon chains are C-18 or so," says Appel, admiring the liquid. "That's a very light oil. It is essentially the same as a mix of half fuel oil, half gasoline."
Private investors, who have chipped in $40 million to develop the process, aren't the only ones who are impressed. The federal government has granted more than $12 million to push the work along. "We will be able to make oil for $8 to $12 a barrel," says Paul Baskis, the inventor of the process. "We are going to be able to switch to a carbohydrate economy."
Making oil and gas from hydrocarbon-based waste is a trick that Earth mastered long ago. Most crude oil comes from one-celled plants and animals that die, settle to ocean floors, decompose, and are mashed by sliding tectonic plates, a process geologists call subduction. Under pressure and heat, the dead creatures' long chains of hydrogen, oxygen, and carbon-bearing molecules, known as polymers, decompose into short-chain petroleum hydrocarbons. However, Earth takes its own sweet time doing this—generally thousands or millions of years—because subterranean heat and pressure changes are chaotic. Thermal depolymerization machines turbocharge the process by precisely raising heat and pressure to levels that break the feedstock's long molecular bonds.
Many scientists have tried to convert organic solids to liquid fuel using waste products before, but their efforts have been notoriously inefficient. "The problem with most of these methods was that they tried to do the transformation in one step—superheat the material to drive off the water and simultaneously break down the molecules," says Appel. That leads to profligate energy use and makes it possible for hazardous substances to pollute the finished product. Very wet waste—and much of the world's waste is wet—is particularly difficult to process efficiently because driving off the water requires so much energy. Usually, the Btu content in the resulting oil or gas barely exceeds the amount needed to make the stuff.
That's the challenge that Baskis, a microbiologist and inventor who lives in Rantoul, Illinois, confronted in the late 1980s. He says he "had a flash" of insight about how to improve the basic ideas behind another inventor's waste-reforming process. "The prototype I saw produced a heavy, burned oil," recalls Baskis. "I drew up an improvement and filed the first patents." He spent the early 1990s wooing investors and, in 1996, met Appel, a former commodities trader. "I saw what this could be and took over the patents," says Appel, who formed a partnership with the Gas Technology Institute and had a demonstration plant up and running by 1999.
Thermal depolymerization, Appel says, has proved to be 85 percent energy efficient for complex feedstocks, such as turkey offal: "That means for every 100 Btus in the feedstock, we use only 15 Btus to run the process." He contends the efficiency is even better for relatively dry raw materials, such as plastics.
So how does it work? In the cold Philadelphia warehouse, Appel waves a long arm at the apparatus, which looks surprisingly low tech: a tangle of pressure vessels, pipes, valves, and heat exchangers terminating in storage tanks. It resembles the oil refineries that stretch to the horizon on either side of the New Jersey Turnpike, and in part, that's exactly what it is.
Appel strides to a silver gray pressure tank that is 20 feet long, three feet wide, heavily insulated, and wrapped with electric heating coils. He raps on its side. "The chief difference in our process is that we make water a friend rather than an enemy," he says. "The other processes all tried to drive out water. We drive it in, inside this tank, with heat and pressure. We super-hydrate the material." Thus temperatures and pressures need only be modest, because water helps to convey heat into the feedstock. "We're talking about temperatures of 500 degrees Fahrenheit and pressures of about 600 pounds for most organic material—not at all extreme or energy intensive. And the cooking times are pretty short, usually about 15 minutes."
Once the organic soup is heated and partially depolymerized in the reactor vessel, phase two begins. "We quickly drop the slurry to a lower pressure," says Appel, pointing at a branching series of pipes. The rapid depressurization releases about 90 percent of the slurry's free water. Dehydration via depressurization is far cheaper in terms of energy consumed than is heating and boiling off the water, particularly because no heat is wasted. "We send the flashed-off water back up there," Appel says, pointing to a pipe that leads to the beginning of the process, "to heat the incoming stream."
At this stage, the minerals—in turkey waste, they come mostly from bones—settle out and are shunted to storage tanks. Rich in calcium and magnesium, the dried brown powder "is a perfect balanced fertilizer," Appel says.
The remaining concentrated organic soup gushes into a second-stage reactor similar to the coke ovens used to refine oil into gasoline. "This technology is as old as the hills," says Appel, grinning broadly. The reactor heats the soup to about 900 degrees Fahrenheit to further break apart long molecular chains. Next, in vertical distillation columns, hot vapor flows up, condenses, and flows out from different levels: gases from the top of the column, light oils from the upper middle, heavier oils from the middle, water from the lower middle, and powdered carbon—used to manufacture tires, filters, and printer toners—from the bottom. "Gas is expensive to transport, so we use it on-site in the plant to heat the process," Appel says. The oil, minerals, and carbon are sold to the highest bidders.
Depending on the feedstock and the cooking and coking times, the process can be tweaked to make other specialty chemicals that may be even more profitable than oil. Turkey offal, for example, can be used to produce fatty acids for soap, tires, paints, and lubricants. Polyvinyl chloride, or PVC—the stuff of house siding, wallpapers, and plastic pipes—yields hydrochloric acid, a relatively benign and industrially valuable chemical used to make cleaners and solvents. "That's what's so great about making water a friend," says Appel. "The hydrogen in water combines with the chlorine in PVC to make it safe. If you burn PVC [in a municipal-waste incinerator], you get dioxin—very toxic."


Brian Appel, CEO of Changing World Technologies, strolls through a thermal depolymerization plant in Philadelphia. Experiments at the pilot facility revealed that the process is scalable—plants can sprawl over acres and handle 4,000 tons of waste a day or be "small enough to go on the back of a flatbed truck" and handle just one ton daily, says Appel.

The technicians here have spent three years feeding different kinds of waste into their machinery to formulate recipes. In a little trailer next to the plant, Appel picks up a handful of one-gallon plastic bags sent by a potential customer in Japan. The first is full of ground-up appliances, each piece no larger than a pea. "Put a computer and a refrigerator into a grinder, and that's what you get," he says, shaking the bag. "It's PVC, wood, fiberglass, metal, just a mess of different things. This process handles mixed waste beautifully." Next to the ground-up appliances is a plastic bucket of municipal sewage. Appel pops the lid and instantly regrets it. "Whew," he says. "That is nasty."
Experimentation revealed that different waste streams require different cooking and coking times and yield different finished products. "It's a two-step process, and you do more in step one or step two depending on what you are processing," Terry Adams says. "With the turkey guts, you do the lion's share in the first stage. With mixed plastics, most of the breakdown happens in the second stage." The oil-to-mineral ratios vary too. Plastic bottles, for example, yield copious amounts of oil, while tires yield more minerals and other solids. So far, says Adams, "nothing hazardous comes out from any feedstock we try."
"The only thing this process can't handle is nuclear waste," Appel says. "If it contains carbon, we can do it." à
This Philadelphia pilot plant can handle only seven tons of waste a day, but 1,054 miles to the west, in Carthage, Missouri, about 100 yards from one of ConAgra Foods' massive Butterball Turkey plants, sits the company's first commercial-scale thermal depolymerization plant. The $20 million facility, scheduled to go online any day, is expected to digest more than 200 tons of turkey-processing waste every 24 hours.
The north side of Carthage smells like Thanksgiving all the time. At the Butterball plant, workers slaughter, pluck, parcook, and package 30,000 turkeys each workday, filling the air with the distinctive tang of boiling bird. A factory tour reveals the grisly realities of large-scale poultry processing. Inside, an endless chain of hanging carcasses clanks past knife-wielding laborers who slash away. Outside, a tanker truck idles, full to the top with fresh turkey blood. For many years, ConAgra Foods has trucked the plant's waste—feathers, organs, and other nonusable parts—to a rendering facility where it was ground and dried to make animal feed, fertilizer, and other chemical products. But bovine spongiform encephalopathy, also known as mad cow disease, can spread among cattle from recycled feed, and although no similar disease has been found in poultry, regulators are becoming skittish about feeding animals to animals. In Europe the practice is illegal for all livestock. Since 1997, the United States has prohibited the feeding of most recycled animal waste to cattle. Ultimately, the specter of European-style mad-cow regulations may kick-start the acceptance of thermal depolymerization. "In Europe, there are mountains of bones piling up," says Alf Andreassen. "When recycling waste into feed stops in this country, it will change everything."
Because depolymerization takes apart materials at the molecular level, Appel says, it is "the perfect process for destroying pathogens." On a wet afternoon in Carthage, he smiles at the new plant—an artless assemblage of gray and dun-colored buildings—as if it were his favorite child. "This plant will make 10 tons of gas per day, which will go back into the system to make heat to power the system," he says. "It will make 21,000 gallons of water, which will be clean enough to discharge into a municipal sewage system. Pathological vectors will be completely gone. It will make 11 tons of minerals and 600 barrels of oil, high-quality stuff, the same specs as a number two heating oil." He shakes his head almost as if he can't believe it. "It's amazing. The Environmental Protection Agency doesn't even consider us waste handlers. We are actually manufacturers—that's what our permit says. This process changes the whole industrial equation. Waste goes from a cost to a profit."
He watches as burly men in coveralls weld and grind the complex loops of piping. A group of 15 investors and corporate advisers, including Howard Buffett, son of billionaire investor Warren Buffett, stroll among the sparks and hissing torches, listening to a tour led by plant manager Don Sanders. A veteran of the refinery business, Sanders emphasizes that once the pressurized water is flashed off, "the process is similar to oil refining. The equipment, the procedures, the safety factors, the maintenance—it's all proven technology."
And it will be profitable, promises Appel. "We've done so much testing in Philadelphia, we already know the costs," he says. "This is our first-out plant, and we estimate we'll make oil at $15 a barrel. In three to five years, we'll drop that to $10, the same as a medium-size oil exploration and production company. And it will get cheaper from there."
"We've got a lot of confidence in this," Buffett says. "I represent ConAgra's investment. We wouldn't be doing this if we didn't anticipate success." Buffett isn't alone. Appel has lined up federal grant money to help build demonstration plants to process chicken offal and manure in Alabama and crop residuals and grease in Nevada. Also in the works are plants to process turkey waste and manure in Colorado and pork and cheese waste in Italy. He says the first generation of depolymerization centers will be up and running in 2005. By then it should be clear whether the technology is as miraculous as its backers claim.


EUREKA:
Chemistry, not alchemy, turns (A) turkey offal—guts, skin, bones, fat, blood, and feathers—into a variety of useful products. After the first-stage heat-and-pressure reaction, fats, proteins, and carbohydrates break down into (B) carboxylic oil, which is composed of fatty acids, carbohydrates, and amino acids. The second-stage reaction strips off the fatty acids' carboxyl group (a carbon atom, two oxygen atoms, and a hydrogen atom) and breaks the remaining hydrocarbon chains into smaller fragments, yielding (C) a light oil. This oil can be used as is, or further distilled (using a larger version of the bench-top distiller in the background) into lighter fuels such as (D) naphtha, (E) gasoline, and (F) kerosene. The process also yields (G) fertilizer-grade minerals derived mostly from bones and (H) industrially useful carbon black.

Garbage In, Oil Out
Feedstock is funneled into a grinder and mixed with water to create a slurry that is pumped into the first-stage reactor, where heat and pressure partially break apart long molecular chains. The resulting organic soup flows into a flash vessel where pressure drops dramatically, liberating some of the water, which returns back upstream to preheat the flow into the first-stage reactor. In the second-stage reactor, the remaining organic material is subjected to more intense heat, continuing the breakup of molecular chains. The resulting hot vapor then goes into vertical distillation tanks, which separate it into gases, light oils, heavy oils, water, and solid carbon. The gases are burned on-site to make heat to power the process, and the water, which is pathogen free, goes to a municipal waste plant. The oils and carbon are deposited in storage tanks, ready for sale.
— Brad Lemley




A Boon to Oil and Coal Companies
One might expect fossil-fuel companies to fight thermal depolymerization. If the process can make oil out of waste, why would anyone bother to get it out of the ground? But switching to an energy economy based entirely on reformed waste will be a long process, requiring the construction of thousands of thermal depolymerization plants. In the meantime, thermal depolymerization can make the petroleum industry itself cleaner and more profitable, says John Riordan, president and CEO of the Gas Technology Institute, an industry research organization. Experiments at the Philadelphia thermal depolymerization plant have converted heavy crude oil, shale, and tar sands into light oils, gases, and graphite-type carbon. "When you refine petroleum, you end up with a heavy solid-waste product that's a big problem," Riordan says. "This technology will convert these waste materials into natural gas, oil, and carbon. It will fit right into the existing infrastructure."
Appel says a modified version of thermal depolymerization could be used to inject steam into underground tar-sand deposits and then refine them into light oils at the surface, making this abundant, difficult-to-access resource far more available. But the coal industry may become thermal depolymerization's biggest fossil-fuel beneficiary. "We can clean up coal dramatically," says Appel. So far, experiments show the process can extract sulfur, mercury, naphtha, and olefins—all salable commodities—from coal, making it burn hotter and cleaner. Pretreating with thermal depolymerization also makes coal more friable, so less energy is needed to crush it before combustion in electricity-generating plants.
— B.L.

Can Thermal Depolymerization Slow Global Warming?
If the thermal depolymerization process WORKS AS Claimed, it will clean up waste and generate new sources of energy. But its backers contend it could also stem global warming, which sounds iffy. After all, burning oil creates global warming, doesn't it?
Carbon is the major chemical constituent of most organic matter—plants take it in; animals eat plants, die, and decompose; and plants take it back in, ad infinitum. Since the industrial revolution, human beings burning fossil fuels have boosted concentrations of atmospheric carbon more than 30 percent, disrupting the ancient cycle. According to global-warming theory, as carbon in the form of carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere, it traps solar radiation, which warms the atmosphere—and, some say, disrupts the planet's ecosystems.
But if there were a global shift to thermal depolymerization technologies, belowground carbon would remain there. The accoutrements of the civilized world—domestic animals and plants, buildings, artificial objects of all kinds—would then be regarded as temporary carbon sinks. At the end of their useful lives, they would be converted in thermal depolymerization machines into short-chain fuels, fertilizers, and industrial raw materials, ready for plants or people to convert them back into long chains again. So the only carbon used would be that which already existed above the surface; it could no longer dangerously accumulate in the atmosphere. "Suddenly, the whole built world just becomes a temporary carbon sink," says Paul Baskis, inventor of the thermal depolymerization process. "We would be honoring the balance of nature."

trikerider2oo7
03-01-2004, 09:41 PM
That is bullsh!t!! I think we should drop about 20 a-bombs over all those countries with oil and then go in and take the oil. then we can get it for really cheap.

PowerTrike
03-02-2004, 12:27 AM
Gas prices are really pissing me off. IMO everybody who can possibly benefit from it will increase gas prices from the big cheeses to the small station owners. EVERYONE RELIES ON GAS, no boycott of any kind is going to work. Always have an excuse too... cold winter, jack er up another 10c and then id kinda stays there even when it warms up?! A few years ago here in MN you could get gas for 99c a gallon (THAT is a reasonable price) a gallon at many places it has jumped almost 80c now. Damnit ppl dont make my buy a freakin hybrid 50hp Toyota so i can afford to drive...

sorry for my rant