450r v 250r drag race

[petesatc]

hi this is me on my new 450r draggin my buddy (jez)on my 250r......the drag is less than 1/4mile up a steep hill....just shows how much more torque the 450r has over my stock 250r.....it's closer on the flat but the 450r still wins even before i have fitted the HRC kit.......it's going to fly with that on :D :D :D :D :D

[Blown 331]

Sweet. My 450 hasn't lost to a 250R yet. You gotta get a pipe too. My brother just bought a used Alba full exhaust system for his 450R off ebay for like $90! At leat you got the HRC kit, it's a whole different bike with that on there. I bet you put at least 3 more bike lenghts on that 250R with just the HRC kit.

[Speedster700HP]

Pipe that 2-stroke and it will wake up nicely. Even more than 4s, 2-strokes really wake up with basic mods. No arguing with the 450R though, it's a great handling bike and plenty fast. :p

[Blown 331]

Pipe that 2-stroke and it will wake up nicely. Even more than 4s, 2-strokes really wake up with basic mods. No arguing with the 450R though, it's a great handling bike and plenty fast. :p

I agree. If you have a stock pipe on that 250R you have some easy potental right there. On my 250R I went from a DG pipe to an ESR ATC-5 and it was an insane difference.

[petesatc]

yep i know piped would have more of a chance but i did race a 4 over piston not piped but dg back box 250r that day and i still smoked him (staceyl200 ask him) i think on the flat there would'nt be much in it .....plus the hill we were racing up was very steep at the bottom which deffo helped the 450r with it low torque kick........

[staceyl200]

Hey Pete I reckon I would have given you a run for your money if I had more traction ,,I was standstill in 1st,2nd and 3rd gear till I got a bit of grip lol!!!! :w00t:

[petesatc]

hey stacey
put them tyres back on and come down and we do it again dude ....let's put some cash on it ????.....hehehehehehe

[Jason Hall]

I don't want to stir up to much, but port that R & give it a 38mm carb & pipe it. The outcome will be very different. :w00t: I love honda's, & the 450-R is a sweet Quad. But the old R is hard to beat when built right. :beer

[petesatc]

I don't want to stir up to much, but port that R & give it a 38mm carb & pipe it. The outcome will be very different. :w00t: I love honda's, & the 450-R is a sweet Quad. But the old R is hard to beat when built right. :beer
Ok this is a drag race between two STOCK bikes ....yes i could hop up the 250r BUT on the flip side i could hop up the 450r to go faster again.....all this race is a direct comparison between modern atv and 1985 atv........i love my 250r and will never sell it but i do love this trx too :D :D :D

[AirManCam]

I don't want to stir up to much, but port that R & give it a 38mm carb & pipe it. The outcome will be very different. :w00t: I love honda's, & the 450-R is a sweet Quad. But the old R is hard to beat when built right. :beer
Umm what if you do the same to the fofiddy? Oh wait, it already has a 40mm(the 06,(05 is 42mm)).

[Jason Hall]

Yup you must be right, the 450 has a 40mm carb, that makes all the differance. I will stick with the old 250-R for the drags. My 310-R has a 40.5mm carb, so that must mean it's real fast.

[Fox250R]

Sounds like none of you 450 riders have gone up against a fast 250R yet huh? Come to my side of town lets see how fast your 450s really are! :)

[petesatc]

Well i fitted the HRC kit today now it's mental!!:crazy: there is'nt a 250r in the UK that can keep up with this thing now:D :D :D :D

[AirManCam]

Yup you must be right, the 450 has a 40mm carb, that makes all the differance. I will stick with the old 250-R for the drags. My 310-R has a 40.5mm carb, so that must mean it's real fast.
You are a moron. You were bragging about porting piping and giving the R a carb, so why cant you do the same mods to the 450..it will still outrun it. I don't see how its fair for a semi worked machine to go against a stock one..but then again, the 250 probably still wouldn't pass the 450.

[staceyl200]

We,ll have to have a little race to see how my R compares ,I,ll bring my new tyres !! Where we going next weekend dude ?

[petesatc]

We,ll have to have a little race to see how my R compares ,I,ll bring my new tyres !! Where we going next weekend dude ?
Dude lets go to the quarry there's a flat straight road ..it's a top speed job.....that's the best way to drag:D :D

[staceyl200]

Lets do it lol!!!

[markdb420]

I know the feeling Pete. I have a mostly stock 86 ATC 250R, a totally built 85 310R and an 05 TRX 450R. The 450R kills the stock 86 in short and long drags, but gets smoked by the built 85R. Many drag races always the same results! My 450R has a pipe and Jet Kit, and the 86 R has pipe and filter with better jets. The 85 R has a resleeved stock cylinder that has been ported to the max! It also runs a Duncan Powerhead with PT Hir rev pipe and 38mm Airstryker Cab with no Airbox lid and K&N with outerwear. I also run a 14 tooth front sprocket.

[Jason Hall]

I think a ported 250-R will smoke a ported 450. If you big bore the 450, then maybe you have a chance. I sure would like to race ya once with my 250-R!!!

[3leggeddog]

i know i raced a piped and jetted yfz on my 250r and beat him by 3 bike lenghts.numerous races,same results.different riders same results.we lined up many bike in the feild one day,450r,predator,400ex,tri-z,250r,and a mojave.that mojave smoked us all,lol,yeah right.really though the predator came out on top everytime,with a dead even race between the rest of us.whoever got the better start finished a hair ahead.but noone cleary pulled away.you guys are just trying to justify your moronic decion to spend 7 grand on a quad that gets it's arse smoked by a 20 yr old trike.some body bring one of these big bad 450's to the drags at trike fest.i have yet to ride,or racea 450 that smoked my r!!!!!!

[monster 84r]

you guys are just trying to justify your moronic decion to spend 7 grand on a quad that gets it's arse smoked by a 20 yr old trike.some body bring one of these big bad 450's to the drags at trike fest.i have yet to ride,or racea 450 that smoked my r!!!!!!

this is the smartest post ive read in this whole forum. you guys need to take into account that the 250r was built 21 years ago, and the 450 is brand new with new technology. when you factor out prices, the r comes on top. while a 450r sucks 7,000$ from your bank account, a worked 250r would barely hit half that much, inc. cost of bike! im sure with 1,000$ into a 250r it would beat a trx450.

dont get me wrong, 450s are scarry fast, but with half the money you can build a screamin 250r.

[markdb420]

I enjoy my $6000 450r, that was the OTD price! I still like my big bore 85 250R, but seriously other than drag racing, I prefer that new smooth suspension, the far superior ride, and not to mention it takes turns better. I didn't waste $6000, it was money well spent and I still enjoy my 85 R that has a total of $3700 or so in it. That includes the purchase $1400, the big bore motor $900, the several times it has been rebuilt $400 for 2 top end rebuilds. The $300 or so for the bottom end crank rebuild. The $150 for new tires. The $250 for the PT hi rev pipe. I also have about $200 in replacement plastic. None of this takes into account the wear or maintenance item which both need! I am just glad that I can afford to own both plus others, but I hardly wasted any money on any of my purchases!

[AirManCam]

I enjoy my $6000 450r, that was the OTD price! I still like my big bore 85 250R, but seriously other than drag racing, I prefer that new smooth suspension, the far superior ride, and not to mention it takes turns better. I didn't waste $6000, it was money well spent and I still enjoy my 85 R that has a total of $3700 or so in it. That includes the purchase $1400, the big bore motor $900, the several times it has been rebuilt $400 for 2 top end rebuilds. The $300 or so for the bottom end crank rebuild. The $150 for new tires. The $250 for the PT hi rev pipe. I also have about $200 in replacement plastic. None of this takes into account the wear or maintenance item which both need! I am just glad that I can afford to own both plus others, but I hardly wasted any money on any of my purchases! I agree, you call it wasting money, I think it could be the best 6 grand I've ever spent. I would rather be on my R than a 250r anyday. Its just that much better in the suspension, the way the powerhits, the ride in general, and not to mention everything is uptodate, and you can ride it many times as hard as you want and not have to be working on it.

[Jason Hall]

If I had the money to spend I would buy a 450-R just because they are awesome rides. But back to the drag racing. When you port a 2-stroke, it makes alot more of a difference than it does on a 4-stroke. You can't even compare the 450-R to a 250-R when used for all out drag racing. The 20 year old technology will still stand on top. If you limited the two machines to use stock honda engine parts (pistons, cams, bore size) the worked 250-R would absolutly roost the 450-R. I think this moron would make you eat your words AirManCam, bring on that 450!!! Any time your ready big girl.:Bounce :w00t:

[petesatc]

I enjoy my $6000 450r, that was the OTD price! I still like my big bore 85 250R, but seriously other than drag racing, I prefer that new smooth suspension, the far superior ride, and not to mention it takes turns better. I didn't waste $6000, it was money well spent and I still enjoy my 85 R that has a total of $3700 or so in it. That includes the purchase $1400, the big bore motor $900, the several times it has been rebuilt $400 for 2 top end rebuilds. The $300 or so for the bottom end crank rebuild. The $150 for new tires. The $250 for the PT hi rev pipe. I also have about $200 in replacement plastic. None of this takes into account the wear or maintenance item which both need! I am just glad that I can afford to own both plus others, but I hardly wasted any money on any of my purchases!
well said Mark:D :D :D :D

[Blown 331]

[QUOTE=3leggeddog some body bring one of these big bad 450's to the drags at trike fest.i have yet to ride,or racea 450 that smoked my r!!!!!![/QUOTE]

I will really try to have a 2006 450R at trikefest. Call me cocky, arrogent, a dumb ass or what ever you want but I will not loose to ANY 250R at trikefest. I will put money on it. Keep in mind the 06 runs circles around the 05 and I don't leave my bikes stock.

[Blown 331]

If I had the money to spend I would buy a 450-R just because they are awesome rides. But back to the drag racing. When you port a 2-stroke, it makes alot more of a difference than it does on a 4-stroke. You can't even compare the 450-R to a 250-R when used for all out drag racing. The 20 year old technology will still stand on top. If you limited the two machines to use stock honda engine parts (pistons, cams, bore size) the worked 250-R would absolutly roost the 450-R. I think this moron would make you eat your words AirManCam, bring on that 450!!! Any time your ready big girl.:Bounce :w00t:

Think what you want but I can tell you don't have any experience with a 450R Especially with with engine mods.

[Rm250RF900R]

I've never even seen one run, But I can just tell there tourqy as heck. Must be fun driving a big bore 4 stroke quad. Wish I had money to buy the new Zuki LT-R450. Now that thing is going to be a beast!

[Troll 2]

How much horsepower do you think a stock and modified 450r's put out?

[AirManCam]

Rumor has it the new 06's is putting out 45 hp stock, as to the 700 raptor at around 40. I Think the 05s put out 38-40.

[200xcellent]

45 horse is pretty impressive! especially on a machine that handles so well.

[Troll 2]

Thats pretty good for stock. Is that at the crank or rwhp? I wonder what the mod's bring it up to?
I figure a fairly highly modified, ported, stock cyl. 250r would bring around the 50-60 hp area (at the wheel).
Anyway .....................interesting:naughty:

[Blown 331]

Thats pretty good for stock. Is that at the crank or rwhp? I wonder what the mod's bring it up to?
I figure a fairly highly modified, ported, stock cyl. 250r would bring around the 50-60 hp area (at the wheel).
Anyway .....................interesting:naughty:


I've seen quite a few dynos on bone stock 06 450R's and they all put down 42-43 at the wheels, they are pretty choked back too. Peak hp on a dyno doesn't win races though. Don't forget the 450 has a flat power curve, carries a good amount of HP through out the entire rpm range and really nice torque as well. Rumor has it that an 06 with only an HRC kit will put 50 to the wheels.

[Rm250RF900R]

Dang. 50hp. These quads must be very impressive. Too bad its on 4 wheels.. I wonder how the CRF450R dirtbike is. It's basically the same engine right? If so, then that bike must be MEAN.

[Blown 331]

Dang. 50hp. These quads must be very impressive. Too bad its on 4 wheels.. I wonder how the CRF450R dirtbike is. It's basically the same engine right? If so, then that bike must be MEAN.

It's pretty much the same engine now. The 04 and 05 were tuned down a lot. CRF's are awesome, imagine that power in a 2 wheeled aluminum frame.

[Rm250RF900R]

I can't imaging it :lol: If the CRF's are equal to a 250cc 2 stroke then It can't be that impressive. But then again, seems like the only things winning races nowadays are the CRF's. Maybe its time to make a 300cc 2 stroke to compete with the new 450's. But then again, there sopposed to stop making 2 strokes all together in 2007. Thats the rumor anyways.

[md1985250r]

I ran my mouth in another forum about this subject. Since then I actually raced my 85 250 r against a buddies 05 450r . This was an all out drag to top speed. We were pretty even through the lower gears , I pulled ahead for a short time when I hit 5th and then 6th ,but the top end of that 450 got me in the end, and he has changed his gearing slightly from stock. Stock form that 450 is geared way high, so he geared it down to be a little more trail friendly.

Bottom line ......stock against stock the 450 takes the title. GREG

ps. Now I have to go eat my words in the other forum.:(

[AZ250R]

It's pretty much the same engine now. The 04 and 05 were tuned down a lot. CRF's are awesome, imagine that power in a 2 wheeled aluminum frame.
All the new 450 bikes (2 wheel) eat everything else @ the sand dunes, on the flats and especially up hill. By a huge margin... well cept the $100K + sand cars but their in an Unearthly leage of their own. :naughty:

[Fox250R]

Well yea actually the CRF 450 dirtbike is pretty fast!! To bad i suck on it LMFAO

[Jason Hall]

I have raced alot of 450-R's at silver lake sand dunes, & they are fast. I would never say they are not a good machine, & they have amazing potential (they are hondas). But have you ever rode a really good running 250-R? You can still buy some really sweet bolt on goodies. If you port the 250 to drag, you will not believe the hp, 45hp is not hard to exceed with a 250.

[Rm250RF900R]

Well yea actually the CRF 450 dirtbike is pretty fast!! To bad i suck on it LMFAO

Lmao. You almost killed yourself. What was that sticking out? A rock?

[AirManCam]

I have raced alot of 450-R's at silver lake sand dunes, & they are fast. I would never say they are not a good machine, & they have amazing potential (they are hondas). But have you ever rode a really good running 250-R? You can still buy some really sweet bolt on goodies. If you port the 250 to drag, you will not believe the hp, 45hp is not hard to exceed with a 250.
Your talkign about a nice 250r cranking out 45 horse..when the 450's are putting that out stock..I mean comeon. Theres not much of a weight difference either..what maby 50 lbs? I'm in no way dissing the 250r, they are sweet bikes..just the 450's are unreal.

[Louis Mielke]

Well my atc90 will beat that 450r. Its ported to the max! and I got streamers on the bars! And when I put the basket on the forks I'll be untouchable...I'll be the pace trike for nascar. It'll be totally sweet.

[200xcellent]

Well my atc90 will beat that 450r. Its ported to the max! and I got streamers on the bars! And when I put the basket on the forks I'll be untouchable...I'll be the pace trike for nascar. It'll be totally sweet.

L M A O!!!!

[Fox250R]

Lmao. You almost killed yourself. What was that sticking out? A rock?
LOL you like that? actually that was a big sand dune lump with bushes covering it up haha! That was the first time i got beat on that thing! i just had a bad start....:(

[Jason Hall]

I can't wait to race some 450-R's at trikefest 06, with my 250-R's.lol:eek:

[markdb420]

Well I should certainly hope that those R's will beat the 450r's. Heck my 85 250R will beat a 450r, but stock for stock it is no comparison. The 450r's take stock 250r's all day long. This is my 85 R and it'll take any 450r around here in a straight up drag race.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/markbright2/250r/IMG_06282.jpg

Here are all 3 together.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/markbright2/250r/IMG_06292.jpg

[200xcellent]

I cant wait to smell that sweet two stroke goin by me in a drag race. Hahaha.

[SpeedBump]

I'm with the 2 stroke crew here. To be honest, I could care a crap about STOCK machines. If you have a STOCK machine, you have no business attempting to drag race. Stay on the porch puppy, the Big Dogs are gonna run. :w00t: Hey Jason, I got a Ugly green machine that is gonna give you something to wonder about out there this year. ;)

[Jason Hall]

Speedbump, I bet there will be all kinds of crazy stuff there this year. I just hope the real fast guys from michigan don't show up :wondering. If they do I will get spanked for sure :cry:. I like the tecate 4 for drag racing. The front end is just heavy enough for sweet holeshots. The only thing I don't like about it is you have a very short wheelie balance point, Anything over center is dangerous, right on the edge is a sweet feeling power wheelie though :beer .