if you chould get any sport quad what would it be? [Archive]

vartiak15

12-23-2005, 10:30 PM

im going to be getttin a sport quad soon after christmass. im going to get a new one and make payments on it so i can get what ever i want. so my question is which one should i get. i will manily be riding trails only not really dunes. some but not tons. i was thinking the yamaha 450 or the honda 450 but im not sure. i havent rode either. im a tall guy too. im 6'5''. any help would be good. thanks and merry christmass

400exXx

12-23-2005, 10:46 PM

the 2006 one??? i would go with the honda 450r with kickstart its lighter but if *Edited* want to ride trails and *Edited* want a sporty then *Edited* should get maybe.....a raptor??

90nut

12-23-2005, 11:26 PM

If I could get any 4 wheeler that I wanted I would eathier get a 'dale or a Gas Gas wild 300. Rode one Gas Gas and I am lovin it. If I could spring the 3 grand for the one in the paper right now I would be all over it.

smokinwrench

12-23-2005, 11:50 PM

I'm shopping for a new sprot quad also.

I plan on getting a 2006 450er if I can swing it easily.

My reason for choosing the R. My cousin has a 2003 YFZ. It already needs a arm bushings and stuff and he rides less then I do. My 1999 400ex was still tight. Every yfz that I have been around that has been raced has always had problems all the time. Never seems like anythign serious just little stuff all the time.

200xcellent

12-24-2005, 12:03 AM

If you arent going to be racing then I'm not sure you should get any 450. Not really a comfortable trail quad, though you could make it that way. I would check into a predator or a new raptor. Great handling, reverse, comfortable ride, and lots or room for mods.

smokinwrench

12-24-2005, 12:26 AM

I would check into a predator or a new raptor. Great handling, reverse, comfortable ride, and lots or room for mods.

I do race some, few times per year and seem to race more every year.

I was 100% predator up till a couple months ago. A riding buddy of mine has a predator. he has lots more cash then I do. So no matter what mods I do when I get to where I can out run him he will spend more money then I have and will out run me again. With me buying a 450 it won't be a problem. He wil have to spend crap loads to make a predator that wieghs 60 more lbs out run me. I could keep up with him in trails on my 400ex so this will make him have to rdie his arse off to keep up with me for a change.

I have ridden a few 660 raptors, I don't want one. My uncle has a 700 raptor nice machine, rides nice, lots of power, not my style.

200xcellent

12-24-2005, 12:31 AM

I do race some, few times per year and seem to race more every year.

I was 100% predator up till a couple months ago. A riding buddy of mine has a predator. he has lots more cash then I do. So no matter what mods I do when I get to where I can out run him he will spend more money then I have and will out run me again.

I have ridden a few 660 raptors, I don't want one. My uncle has a 700 raptor nice machine, rides nice, lots of power, not my style.

Definatley man, the 700 is 200% better than the 660 in the handling category. Have you checked into the new lt 450's? Since you do race and dont have a butt load of money to pour into after market then obviously you do want one of those 450's.

400exXx

12-24-2005, 12:43 AM

If you want to ride trails get the new Raptor 700, if you want to drag or dune or whatever go with the 450's.If you do go with the 450 get the TRX-450r with the kickstart.

smokinwrench

12-24-2005, 12:48 AM

My Suzuki dealer is about 20 miles further away in the opposite direction then the town I work in. They are not as nice of people as the honda, yamaha dealers. Also I have seen way to many people wanting to trade nicer newer Z400's for 400ex's. That tells me there must be reliablity issues or some kind of problems. The LT450 might be one heck of a quad when it comes out but I won't be buying a first year model.

To me my choices are YFZ, 450R, predator and I choose the 450r for the reasons above.

Cdale is a kickbutt machien to ride, I just want more dealer support then they have. I would love to test ride a gasgas 450 but my closest dealer is about 180 miles away.

Only way I will have kickstart is if I find a killer deal on a 05 450.

corndawg

12-24-2005, 01:12 AM

i know your wanting a new one, but why not go look at your local dealers trade-ins, the dealers around here usually have nice clean 1-2 year old quads for about 2 grand less than new

400exXx

12-24-2005, 10:16 AM

Only way I will have kickstart is if I find a killer deal on a 05 450.

I thought kickstarts are only on 2006 Trx-450s.

Derrick Adams

12-24-2005, 10:22 AM

Vartiak, If you mainly are a trail rider, I'd go with the 400EX. That bike is unargueably the most universal bike built. That bike is a more than capable trail machine w/ electric start and reverse. With the vast amount of aftermarket out there, you could easily make it into a winning MX bike, flat track bike, etc. It's a Honda, so resale value is there. It's been out long enough that it's totally refined. Perfect all around bike!

Now myself, I would buy the 450R w/ electric start. Mainly because I enjoy racing and challenging trail rides.

Smokinwrench, I wouldn't be too confident in a new 450 whooping a predator. I've seen that go the other way more times than I care to admit. On a track it is a different story, but in a straight line or in the woods, not as likely.

nate b

12-24-2005, 10:28 AM

If I could have any quad, I would ask for a tecate 4

200xcellent

12-24-2005, 01:39 PM

I thought kickstarts are only on 2006 Trx-450s.

04-05 were kick start only. 06 has electric start option.

400exXx

12-24-2005, 01:59 PM

do 400ex's have kick start?

200xcellent

12-24-2005, 02:55 PM

Those are electric start also.

md1985250r

12-24-2005, 03:28 PM

from what I read in your first post,I would go with the 450er. A buddy has the YFZ and is getting ready to buy a new steering stem and brake lines and throttle cable and clutch cable and so on and so on and so on, because he is rather tall and the quad is not comfortable to ride standing with the low stock set-up. They are both great quads , but for me an easy choice. Honda Rules!!

OldSchoolin86

12-24-2005, 04:24 PM

I'd go 450er, the lt looks good but I'd let the bugs get worked out for 2 years first.

BigGreenMachine

12-24-2005, 04:39 PM

Raptor 660 would be what I want. Tons of torque and suspension for trails and lots of motor to run with 450's just about anywhere. And its a big quad for those over 6 feet tall.

MTS

12-24-2005, 05:23 PM

Raptor 660 would be what I want. Tons of torque and suspension for trails and lots of motor to run with 450's just about anywhere. And its a big quad for those over 6 feet tall.
The 660 is a boat ancor compared to the new 700....LOADS better, if it was me i would be buying a 450 honda or yamie.....but i dont have to worry bout it cauze im poor hahah:beer

90nut

12-24-2005, 07:48 PM

I would still stick with a dale, Gas Gas(wild 300. not the 450 4 stroke), 400ex(very versatile, good re-sale, parts o plenty) I would never buy any sport quad over 450cc. No, not even a zilla(well i would consider it just because it is a 2 stroke)I've ridden Ds 650's( hated it to death) raptors, all that big bore stuff. They are just way to big and heavy to be raced, kinda to large for trails, Pain in the arse to move around by hand if you get them stuck, and they are just huge. Only place I see big bore quads such as the DS being much use is in desert racing. Sand dunes are alright but if you want to jump don't buy one. Had the DS at silver lake sand dunes and I could have it tacked out in 3rd going up the hills and never let off and it would still get out jumped by a blaster. I did manage to make it half way down the last hill once but it didn't turn out so well. So personally I say leave anything over 450-500cc alone, unless you wan' a new boat anchor!!!:lol:

sp1tekiller

12-27-2005, 11:46 AM

vartiak15

12-28-2005, 12:35 PM

well as soon as im out of basketball and i can start workin more im probly going to go for the yami 450. im still debating getting a 350x and buy a new crate motor and a butt load of brand new parts. i dono ill have to test drive the quads, havnt rode one of them sport ones yet.

90nut

12-28-2005, 02:42 PM

Well my buddies have 450's so I do know plenty about them. He said that he wanted a trail rider and I don't really like the new 450's for trail riding. Plus I always take a 2 stroke over a 4 stroke.

Rm250RF900R

12-28-2005, 05:31 PM

Why not the DS 650. Its powerful, good for bigger riders, I think its got reverse, its very comfortable. Sure its a little heavy, but who cares.

SpeedBump

12-28-2005, 08:58 PM

If I could have any quad, I would ask for a tecate 4

LMAO!!! Awesome Choice! Well, to be more than honest.....I would take a brand new Honda Rincon 700 over any of the new Sport Quads.
I wouldn't buy a new one. There are good deals out there for used Sport Machines, but you gotta look closely for the RIGHT one. Most of the sport quads have been abused to heII and back. There are some hardly ridden, well maintained ones as well, just a bit harder to find them.

With all that crap aside...you ARE going to buy new, so my vote would be for a Honda 450R...electric start version.....in BLACK!

ATCT

12-28-2005, 09:05 PM

Get the 2006 YFZ450. It's a no brainer.

I too was considering buying a new QUAD before I decided to restore a 200X. Out of all the reviews and tests I read, the '06 YFZ450 is vastly improved over the '05 and seemed to be a clearly better machine than the Honda. I've been a Honda guy for a long time, and I was still considering the Yamaha because it seemed that much better.

Now, I just read a test between the Raptor 700 and the YFZ450, and for rec/trail riding, the 700 was the winner. Not sure what's true, and I'm sure a lot of it is personal choice, but this is what I read.

90nut

12-28-2005, 09:49 PM

Quote-Why not the DS 650. Its powerful, good for bigger riders, I think its got reverse, its very comfortable. Sure its a little heavy, but who cares.-

They are comfy but if You just plan to cruise around the dunes all day or run the desert and not jump it go for it! Heavy, I believe something to the tune of 495 poundish. Get it stuck over the rear wheels in sand and you will be second thinking you decision. Oh and no reverse.

atvnut

12-28-2005, 10:20 PM

700 raptor hands down.....for trail riding application

Preddy05

12-28-2005, 10:59 PM

Smokinwrench, I wouldn't be too confident in a new 450 whooping a predator. I've seen that go the other way more times than I care to admit. On a track it is a different story, but in a straight line or in the woods, not as likely.

Atleast someone seems like they know what they are talkin about :beer

Modded660R2fast

12-28-2005, 11:32 PM

Raptor 700 all the way. Its even faster then the new 450's by a little so that always gets my attention. Plus once you mod it it's suppost to Be insane.

SpeedBump

12-28-2005, 11:49 PM

Quote-Why not the DS 650. Its powerful, good for bigger riders, I think its got reverse, its very comfortable. Sure its a little heavy, but who cares.-

They are comfy but if You just plan to cruise around the dunes all day or run the desert and not jump it go for it! p

No way....the DS jumps great. Nearly 12" of travel up front...even heavy, it is still considered a good jumping machine....just can't move it around in the air as easy...Rode one or 2... I like them. Lots of mods out there too....

BigGreenMachine

12-29-2005, 12:26 AM

Blasters are great jumpers 90nut, very light and nicely suspended, it'll outjump about any quad just because of how light and nimble it is.

BigGreenMachine

12-29-2005, 12:28 AM

oh and no flamers, I didnt claim it to be the best or anything lol

Meat-BoX

12-29-2005, 06:33 AM

If your Tall and maybe gonna get taller you need a 700 if you can handle it. Yamaha and Kawasaki got sick 700's Th DS 650 is nice I hear and Pretty tough. I think you might be a bit jammed up on the 450's. Plus the 700's have plenty of Aftermarket goodies.

Modded660R2fast

12-30-2005, 04:50 AM

Yeah Meat-Box my thoughts also

200xcellent

12-30-2005, 01:52 PM

If you are serious about racing at all, get a 450.

smokinwrench

12-30-2005, 08:55 PM

I just bought a 2005 Troy Lee predator tonight. I had been planning on getting a 450r but with the cost comparison compared to performance I couldn't justify the 450.

90nut

12-30-2005, 09:08 PM

Oh no speedbump you understood me wrong! The DS jumps fantastic with all that suspension travel, it rides like a cadillac! It is just so stinkin heavy!

SpeedBump

12-31-2005, 12:00 AM

90nut, No prob. Smokin, hope ya like your new Ride. Get some pics ASAP. BTW, the TLD Pred has some inprovements over the standard Pred. Good choice.

smokinwrench

12-31-2005, 12:11 AM

90nut, No prob. Smokin, hope ya like your new Ride. Get some pics ASAP. BTW, the TLD Pred has some inprovements over the standard Pred. Good choice.

Yeah I thought it was worth the 300 extra. It has better shocks, close ratio trans, dura blue axle, better tires. I get it Monday for sure but maybe tomarrow evening. They are swapping the plastic to red.

vartiak15

12-31-2005, 12:23 AM

how about this http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelimage/2/3/0/image.aspx

Blown 331

12-31-2005, 09:05 AM

I'll be buying a new 4-wheeler this spring, probably early March anyway. It' will be a 450R but I just haven't made up my mind if it will be a kick or electric start but I'm leaning toward kick.

wheelie king

12-31-2005, 09:32 AM

Blown 331

12-31-2005, 10:19 AM

Blown-

For 6 pounds (more) difference, I'd go with the electric. If you are that worried about the weight, fill the tires with helium! Just kidding.

My 300ex has only electric start, and I do not mind it. Don't get me wrong, it is nice to know that you have a "back up plan" so to speak, when there is a kick or pull start in addition to electric, but oh well. Has not been a probem on my bike, ever (knock on wood). Good luck and let us know what you decide.

It has nothing to do with weight for me. I'd probably still go with the kick start if it weighed more than electric. I've always been a fan of kick start and the 450's have an accelerator pump for cold starting and the hot start lever and an internal compression release so it's super easy to start in all conditions. I rode my 350X down to my neighbors the other day and he went to get his 400EX out and guess what? Dead battery, I don't want to deal with that. I want to know that even if it sits for 6 months it will fire right up.

wheelie king

12-31-2005, 02:06 PM

But you wont let it sit for 6 months, will you???:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

Yeah, I know. It is totally a matter of personal preference. Yes, the technology with Honda's kickstart does make it easy and convenient! I do definitly see your point. The elec. just appeals to the lazy man in me!

400exXx

12-31-2005, 02:44 PM

Can you change a 400ex to kickstart?

Blown 331

12-31-2005, 02:58 PM

Can you change a 400ex to kickstart?

Never seen it done but I bet an XR400R motor would bolt in but then it would kick back wards and you'd have to take off the fenders to start it.

OldSchoolin86

12-31-2005, 06:18 PM

Can you change a 400ex to kickstart?
It's not worth it. Just plan on slapping a battery in every couple years and you'll never be stranded. I got mine in 02 and it's just getting it's second battery. I used to be die hard kick start but the 400ex changed me. Nothing better then hitting a button after stalling in a bad way when your butt is beat.

200xcellent

12-31-2005, 06:30 PM

Electric start is definatly an advantage, and not just for lazy people. If you happen to stall your bike on a steep hill, what would you rather have?

350xBomb

01-04-2006, 06:45 AM

i know your wanting a new one, but why not go look at your local dealers trade-ins, the dealers around here usually have nice clean 1-2 year old quads for about 2 grand less than new

I agree fully. There is really no reason to get a brand new bike when some moron somewhere has bought one. Got new wheeles and sand tires, pipe, and a K&N air filter. Rode it once and now it sits in his garage under a tarp. Cycle trader is full of "oops this bike is too fast for me" sales. Its not like a manufaturers warrenty is really that valuable. Everything breaks after the 6 months anyways. And in my opinion...get a trike.

Chrisbroeders

01-05-2006, 05:30 PM

no 400exs have electric and there deffinetly my choice if i had to pick.. go with the ex

Rm250RF900R

01-05-2006, 05:35 PM

Over all the raptors, ds650s, 450r, Predator, new z450, ect you would pick the 400ex?

250r'en +TCB

01-05-2006, 07:00 PM

I wuld pick the 450R......... When it comes to an old machine an 89 trx250r. The ex is a greatmachine, but I still think they should beaf it up a little....

kernalklink

01-05-2006, 08:17 PM

I wuld pick the 450R......... When it comes to an old machine an 89 trx250r. The ex is a greatmachine, but I still think they should beaf it up a little....

:beer of course! the 250r!!!

cliff2302

01-06-2006, 02:57 PM

Raptor 700 all the way. Its even faster then the new 450's by a little so that always gets my attention. Plus once you mod it it's suppost to Be insane.

the raptor may be faster top end wise, but the 450 is much quicker. Me and my brother raced on two '06 models of each and he won every time by 2 bike lengths. And the suspension on the 450 is much better.