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OldSchoolin86
08-04-2006, 05:39 PM
It's obvious that the drags are big enough now to warrant classes and I know it was being talked about. Has anything been decided on yet?

I'm thinking that the classes should be based on modifications like normal racing.

What does everyone else think?:D

sandpuppi101
08-04-2006, 06:30 PM
I agree 100% !! I just don't get it why a 350X is gonna run toe to toe with a 500 or visa versa a 90 going against a 200!! We need different classes!!!

erectordale
08-04-2006, 11:08 PM
that would be great too have differant classes as the 500 will definately out run most 4 strokes

MIK6
08-04-2006, 11:39 PM
Sign me up for the 12oz class!! Need to have an open beverage on you durring the run LOL.

MIK6 / Mike

PIP 350X
08-05-2006, 01:00 AM
I just can't help but to think............110 vs 110, 200 vs 200, 350 vs 350 sounds like a fair idea to me. Call it common sense or what ever you want.


"When the light turns green............. PIN IT !!" ( then worry about worring later)
Not much thought there. :idea:


PIP

OldSchoolin86
08-05-2006, 08:28 AM
I just can't help but to think............110 vs 110, 200 vs 200, 350 vs 350 sounds like a fair idea to me. Call it common sense or what ever you want.


"When the light turns green............. PIN IT !!" ( then worry about worring later)
Not much thought there. :idea:


PIP
I agree, better match ups would be sweet but I wonder if that would create too many classes? If the classes were 350x vs 350x and 200x vs 200x would we have restrictions or could a bored and stroked machine run against a stock machine? If we seperated the bored and stroked machines what would we do with them?

350Xhilaration
08-05-2006, 08:35 AM
One question, have most of you guys been to an organized ATV drag event with a full breakdown of classes?

I have been and it takes at least 6 hours to run through a field the size we get at TF.

I think that's the main reason it hasn't been done in the past.

I do agree that it would be nice to run with similar models. That's why I didn't even bother bringing my Stock X out to run. Wouldn't have made the finals due to the top speed qualifier run.

It's difficult trying to come up with a "best" way to do it.

Once classes are established, then you get people that will cry/biotch/moan about how fair it is or isn't. "His 350X isn't a 350, it's a 360/452/567"...whatever.

That will be such a pain in the rear, I don't know who will want to organize and run it. The guys that know the most about it will probably be the ones that run the fastest, so they won't be running the show.

It can be done and it can work. It will just take most of whatever day it's set up for with double elimination rounds for all the classes.

My $1.50 worth...that was more than $.02

Yamahondaman
08-05-2006, 09:32 AM
I agree 100% !! I just don't get it why a 350X is gonna run toe to toe with a 500 or visa versa a 90 going against a 200!! We need different classes!!!
i agree but like 350x said .. it would take up most of the day to run everybody..the guy's that ran it and lined us up @TF06 did a GREAT Job !!
them 310's,330's,490's and 500's do RUN !! it's hard to keep up with them with my ole slow RAG !! :lol:
Hey MIK6 ... i'm with ya Brother on the 12oz. Gimmick !!! :beer

OldSchoolin86
08-05-2006, 09:48 AM
I'm with you guys on taking a lot of time. I'd say at MAX there should be 3 classes. Anymore then that and we would have a time problem.

Dammit!
08-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Is there any way to seperate them based on a solo qualifying run? You know, like everyone that ran between x.xx seconds and x.xx seconds is in one class and so on and so forth. I don't know if they were clocking actual times or top speeds there or not though. Maybe that would be better than going with models or engine displacement.

dividebyzero
08-06-2006, 05:26 PM
hahaha,when i saw this thread i knew i would be mentioned.
Seriously though,i think it should be setup to have trophys for the top three in each class.
Should have a 4 stroke,2 stroke and an open(500 pinger)class.Heck,even have a 200 4 stroke class,make it simple.The top three get trophys.If you want to make it fast,then they only get one run,no matter what,but double elimination is good.
Next year, yes, i will run the 567,but will it be fair to run it against a 500 pinger?No.
4 classes,3 trophys each,simple.Your talking twelve trophys,if you want $ for them,i'll throw in some $ for them.Doesn't everybody want a trophy though?LOL
Yes,i agree,this year was simple,the fastest wins.If you don't have a 500 or bigger,then why run it?What's more FUN?Seeing a tecate against a 250r,OR,a 500 pinger against a 200x?Just make it fun and fair to everybody,isn't that what trikefest is all about?
That's fine,i'll run in the 2 stroke class to make it fair.Besides,everybody knows when it comes to drags,it's all rider on take off anyway.
Do it just like the mx sign up sheet,you don't sign up your not in.

350Xhilaration
08-06-2006, 05:36 PM
That surely wasn't a "shot" against you Brian. Your Xs just came to mind with the different displacements.

I'd say we have enough time to iron out all the details. 10 months and counting.

dividebyzero
08-06-2006, 06:35 PM
That surely wasn't a "shot" against you Brian. Your Xs just came to mind with the different displacements.

I'd say we have enough time to iron out all the details. 10 months and counting.
hahaha,i know rhuel.I know it wasn't a shot.I just knew somebody was gonna say something about it sooner or later,that's all.Since,well, as far as i know,i'm the only one with 3 350x's that aren't stock at TF,so i knew something was gonna come up.
I'll have fun either way,carry on.

Louis Mielke
08-06-2006, 06:55 PM
i also agree. This is not a nock the guy on the 350x but I felt kinda bad for him in the finals. I was WTF? Why is a 500 against a 350x. He'll be done the first 2 times through. I felt like I was a mean person or something running a 500 against a 350 no matter how modded it was.

dividebyzero
08-06-2006, 08:51 PM
i also agree. I was like WTF? Why is a 500 against a 350x. He'll be done the first 2 times through. Running a 500 against a 350 no matter how modded it was.
Thank you,well said!!
Honestly,i think i ride pretty good.But,i do think what tim sr said is funny"you need a bigger motor to make up for your lack of skill?"
Sometimes i feel that's true for some reason,lol.

Bryan Raffa
08-08-2006, 12:40 PM
so that means I'll be in the class under the 500's seeing how it's a 490!! SWEET! then i dont have to worrie about billy whooping up on me! or that mean ass green machine...LMAO!!!!

Tri-ZNate
08-08-2006, 01:00 PM
50cc-125cc, 185-250cc 4 stroke, 350cc 4 stroke and 250cc 2stroke, and your 500cc class.


4 classes that should be evenly matched. for 200 machines at the drags around here it takes 4 hours if they are lined up and ready to go as people are comming off the line. Start them early and they shouldnt interfeer with anything.

Bryan Raffa
08-08-2006, 02:33 PM
so that leaves me in the 250cc and up because its not 500cc lol

Tri-ZNate
08-08-2006, 04:42 PM
well for you bryan we'll make an exception and bump you up ;)

Louis Mielke
08-08-2006, 04:47 PM
technically CR500s are 491ccs.:rolleyes:

OldSchoolin86
08-08-2006, 05:10 PM
so that leaves me in the 250cc and up because its not 500cc lol
What about the top class being reserved for guys like you with hybrid trikes and custom motor swaps?
500's, Z's with Giant air cooled engines, CR type coversions

Seems like putting you guys together would be the fairest for the rest of the guys.:beer

Bryan Raffa
08-08-2006, 06:00 PM
well for you bryan we'll make an exception and bump you up ;)

LOL I knew that would happen... dont matter where i run as long as i run! :lol:

Louis Mielke
08-08-2006, 06:10 PM
i'm 2mm over and a calculator I found says that I'm actually at 514cc!

Obviously I need my own class, I'll take that trophy thank you. LOL!!!!!

TRITecate350
08-29-2006, 09:29 PM
Here is my .02 as well

I would have 3 classes: Open/Production Modified/4-stroke/TOP Eliminator

Production Modified: Any trike that was made with the exception of the Tiger 500 can enter. The trike must have the original cases that came on the trike, but can have any modification possible such as.... big bore kit, stroker, aftermarket or dirtbike cylinder, extended swingarm....
NO Nitrous

4-Stroke Any trike that is a 4-stroke. Maybe no dirtbike/streetbike/atv engines.

Open Class Any things goes as long as its a trike.

Top Eliminator Fastest Trike in each class go head to head

Only one class per/trike, no multiple classes with the same trike. I think the production class is the way to go, if you put cc limits on a class, people will cheat and if they are not cheating they may still be accussed of cheating. I dont think there should be any stock classes, who cares if you have the fastest stock machine, and you can still race...you just have no chance of winning:(

Pretty much you can place the trikes in there class by simply looking at them..
Example:
Billy(not his real name) has a Cr500 engine in his Honda trike. You could take one look at it and determine it is not a 4-stroke...:wondering hmm not the original 250r cases....well there you have it....:naughty: OPEN CLASS

This is just my 2 cents worth....what do you guys think

Billy Golightly
08-29-2006, 10:51 PM
My two cents:


A drag race should be a drag race, with the fastest person being the winner. Not the fastest but, or fastest except, fastest period. Don't bring a knife to gunfight and don't bring a 110 to race against a 500. If your serious, bring it. If you just want to play around theres like 4 hours of grudge racing before hand that anyone or anything can get in on. I'm not trying to be an elitest asshole but seriously its not fair to "make it fair for everyone". Thats just what I think, and I'm sure I'll get my butt handed to me this coming year.

Either way as long as we dont do index classes and we have doube eliminations I'm in.

MIK6
08-29-2006, 11:06 PM
I figured I would have a few more in the "12oz class" LOL. I still say I got a shot at that class!!!

MIK6 / Mike

Bryan Raffa
08-29-2006, 11:08 PM
I figured I would have a few more in the "12oz class" LOL. I still say I got a shot at that class!!!

MIK6 / Mike


dont you mean shot glass...:lol:

Yamahondaman
09-07-2006, 10:14 AM
I figured I would have a few more in the "12oz class" LOL. I still say I got a shot at that class!!!

MIK6 / Mike
HECK When Raffa,Billy and or that BIG GREEN THING Put's me out...i'll be down at the end near the Cooler and the 4 twelve's on Ice along with the "CONE"
GIT IT RAGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

TRITecate350
09-09-2006, 11:42 PM
What is the big green thing you are talking about. The kx500 trike there this year?

Yamahondaman
09-11-2006, 10:16 AM
ya that green converted thing ... ITS FAST !!!

Bryan Raffa
09-11-2006, 02:17 PM
Imagine if that green thing had a +12 on it..........

Yamahondaman
09-11-2006, 08:13 PM
i think it had some kinda STRETCH on it ??? when it had regular tires on it .......
I BEAT IT !! :naughty:
ole little "stock" two-fitty RAG" ............... :lol:

Bryan Raffa
09-13-2006, 09:11 AM
think it was like a 4 -6 strech nothing more than that...

TRITecate350
09-17-2006, 07:47 PM
Those were my tires he borrowed.

Bryan Raffa
09-17-2006, 10:00 PM
Those were my tires he borrowed.

dont let him borrow them next year!!!! Ill give you $20 if you dont...:lol:

Louis Mielke
09-17-2006, 10:15 PM
I've read either in a magazine or on a website somewhere that a tire called "4 SNOW" is a better drag tire. Apparently they're pro-wedge coppies but are made of a harder material. They did several test with several difference drag machines with some old school pro-wedges and the 4 SNOWs, and apparently the 4 SNOW tires hook up better in dirt drag conditions.

Obviously I've never tested this but I've seen those 4 SNOW tires. They look almost exactly like pro-wedges. I think I'm gonna pickup a set for my 500 for TF07. Hopefully I'll be a little more competitive this year.
http://www.mawonline.com/photos/maxxis_4snow_frnt_rr_tire.gif

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m254/louis_mielke/smallframe.jpg
The guy at the powder shop told me this blue color would add 10hp. If I add a few more stickers then i'll at least be able to beat ronnie. Everyone thinks its his custom motor work that makes his RAgg so fast, but I know the real secret. Each of those stickers is 5+ hp!!!!!

Mosh
09-17-2006, 10:51 PM
I said hello to that green thing not more than a hour ago.I said GET IT RAGGG

Yamahondaman
09-18-2006, 04:38 PM
it is the Stickers !!!!! NOT the "stock" Motor !!! :naughty:
OH YEAH !!!! the for snows are lighter and FASTER than the PW-II's !!!!
At TF06 i had BRAND NEW PW-II's with 10" WIDE Rim's ............
At TF07 i'm gonna Have ......................... it's a "secret" !! :naughty:
Gonna Reach SIXTY MPH ............ COME ON FIVE HUNDREDS !!!
not you "Billy" !!! :beer

maggiesboy
09-20-2006, 07:42 PM
chitlins class 70cc max
90-185cc
200cc
250 smokers
open thumper
open smokers

erectordale
10-19-2006, 09:39 PM
I think we need a class for the 500 I know there will be a least 1 trike over 500cc there

Bryan Raffa
10-19-2006, 10:23 PM
i know of two over 700cc that will be there...

dizasterzrfun69
10-19-2006, 11:20 PM
Well i'm not sure what "classes" to make but i do think we need classes so everyone has a some what fighting chance. Maybe we could have different classes and then take the top 1-2- or even 3 people from each class and combine them into one big final race to see who is the absolute biggest baddest trike there.

Kintore
10-21-2006, 12:53 AM
Gotta have a grudge section, I got some peeps to murder! :w00t:




coughronniecoughcough!


Just kidding pal, well that two fiddy of yours might be able to keep up to my two fiddy! :lol: :lol: :w00t:

400exguy
10-21-2006, 01:46 AM
ok, maybe i dont get it because i dont own a trike...but whats the big deal? everyone seems to be complaining about the whole drags. i could see if it realy meant anything but your just racing for an award that means nothing. everyone of us that goes to trikefest goes to have a good time. i totally agree that the races werent very fair but come on...isnt the point of tf to get together with the great people on the board and have a good time? maybe im missing something? the way they put everyone together and took the top 15-20 took forever to do. just think how long it would take to have classes...i dont know but thats just my point of view

erectordale
10-23-2006, 01:36 PM
I'm not complaining I just think that classes would orginanize it better

Yamahondaman
10-24-2006, 10:04 AM
I'm not complaining I just think that classes would orginanize it better
it's not that we are Complaining...it's that LOTS of people have other Opinion's about some things.... don't matter to me ...
when i get put out "early" i'll help grade and keep the ICE circulated in the Cooler !! :beer

200xcellent
10-24-2006, 10:09 AM
think it was like a 4 -6 strech nothing more than that...

Im pretty sure its a plus 14:w00t:

Yamahondaman
10-24-2006, 03:46 PM
Plus 14 ....Spin Too Much ......then Catch the .................. "MANTIS" ! :D

Tri-ZNate
10-24-2006, 05:24 PM
I just like the idea of some competitive classes. 350x and R, 185c-250 four stroke, 50-125cc, Open. I dont care about the trophy, I just want some slower competition ;)

Yamahondaman
10-31-2006, 11:15 AM
Hey Wheeliepop... i can Bring the "Brapp" Reacon Back up there and race it !!

Bryan Raffa
10-31-2006, 05:19 PM
I just like the idea of some competitive classes. 350x and R, 185c-250 four stroke, 50-125cc, Open. I dont care about the trophy, I just want some slower competition ;)

the trophy you can sell on ebay,, There gettin good money for tho's..It's the braggin rights is where it's at,,,,,:lol: :w00t:

MIK6
11-01-2006, 11:10 AM
I still vote for the 12oz class!!! Whos w/ me???

MIK6 / Mike

Yamahondaman
11-02-2006, 11:12 AM
I still vote for the 12oz class!!! Whos w/ me???

MIK6 / Mike
you know I'M IN !!! :naughty:

badculture
11-09-2006, 06:36 PM
I did not participate in the racing, but watching the drags kinda sucked. (please nobody bite my head off) I think classes would make it alot more interesting. the way it is setup now its like watching a dusty practice. it is all for fun but it would be cool to see who has the baddest x,r,tecate.... but it is cool to see the different brands go against each other. just how I see it.

Yamahondaman
11-16-2006, 09:45 PM
GOOD Idea BAD !!! Practice was DUSTY !!! had to wipe "the RAG" OFF ALOT !! :D

brapp
12-08-2006, 11:23 PM
ok the way they do it is they have stock classes say 0-250 fourstroke 0-200 2 stroke stock class and a trailmod of the same displacement.

then have a 250-400 4 stroke and 201-300 class stock and modified classes

and then an open run what ya brung class for the 500's and trishees and 330's

then as far as stock classes go


trail stock class rules All machines must have the OEM (original equipment manufacturer) engine and ALL OEM components. TIRES, Mufflers may be changed, spark arrestor not required, Aftermarket air filter OK in stock configuration air box. Wheelies Bars OK. PUMP GAS ONLY

NO Aftermarket “hop-up” performance enhancing components of any sort includes exhaust pipes & systems, intakes, carburetors, air box modifications, lengthened swing arms or axles, etc.

and trail mod rules All machines must have an OEM ATV frame and must be a naturally aspirated Factory ATV engine and OEM Cylinders with bolt-on modifications &

No internal port work. CAM’s are allowed

Allowable: Are aftermarket exhaust systems, axles, carbs, reed cages, Cool Heads,

Air Box’s extended, swing arms, gearing, wheelie bars, Electronic Ignition, shifting aids,

OEM overbore are acceptable for Refreshing Cylinders only.

All CC are base on Cylinder Displacement
No strokers or big bore kits.

No Aftermarket, Hybrid engines or cylinders
No Nitrous Oxide, Alcohol, Race type fuels or Additives.
No motorcycle, or snowmobile engine type allowed



and open class rules
Allowable: Are any “recreational vehicle type” engine power plant combination, any chassis & frame type any fuel type including Nitrous Oxide assist and any forced induction & turbo systems, lengthened swing arms, wheelie bars, shift aids, etc

Bryan Raffa
12-09-2006, 12:24 AM
Hummmm where have i heard that before??? YES!

brapp
12-10-2006, 01:18 AM
i think that would be he best system for it and also everyone racing must ahve a number. and pre register also so we can keep track.

XTrumpX
12-10-2006, 01:38 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned, but is the room to run 2 strips so you can break it down to more classes? If a guy has more then one bike, someone else can stage his trike while he's running on the other strip.

SpeedBump
12-12-2006, 09:43 PM
ok the way they do it is they have stock classes say 0-250 fourstroke 0-200 2 stroke stock class and a trailmod of the same displacement.

then have a 250-400 4 stroke and 201-300 class stock and modified classes

and then an open run what ya brung class for the 500's and trishees and 330's

then as far as stock classes go


trail stock class rules All machines must have the OEM (original equipment manufacturer) engine and ALL OEM components. TIRES, Mufflers may be changed, spark arrestor not required, Aftermarket air filter OK in stock configuration air box. Wheelies Bars OK. PUMP GAS ONLY

NO Aftermarket “hop-up” performance enhancing components of any sort includes exhaust pipes & systems, intakes, carburetors, air box modifications, lengthened swing arms or axles, etc.

and trail mod rules All machines must have an OEM ATV frame and must be a naturally aspirated Factory ATV engine and OEM Cylinders with bolt-on modifications &

No internal port work. CAM’s are allowed

Allowable: Are aftermarket exhaust systems, axles, carbs, reed cages, Cool Heads,

Air Box’s extended, swing arms, gearing, wheelie bars, Electronic Ignition, shifting aids,

OEM overbore are acceptable for Refreshing Cylinders only.

All CC are base on Cylinder Displacement
No strokers or big bore kits.

No Aftermarket, Hybrid engines or cylinders
No Nitrous Oxide, Alcohol, Race type fuels or Additives.
No motorcycle, or snowmobile engine type allowed



and open class rules
Allowable: Are any “recreational vehicle type” engine power plant combination, any chassis & frame type any fuel type including Nitrous Oxide assist and any forced induction & turbo systems, lengthened swing arms, wheelie bars, shift aids, etc

ALl sound great, but who is gonna enforce it? How do you know if I got my bike cammed? How do you know if I am running a stroker? BigBore? How do you know what fuel I run? You can't just go accusing guys of this or that. "Well, my bike is stock and he outran me by 4 or 5 bike lengths, so he HAS to have mods!" No way, that will NEVER work.

The drags went well last time, IMO. My conversion did ok, I knew it wouldn't win. No way it could unless 14 other bikes BROKE at the line!

I agree with some if there were a couple basic classes it would be more fun for MORE people. I think THAT is what everyone would agree with. It should be fun for the majority or people. I don't pretend to know how to break it up into classes, but I do know this....whatever the class would be, you would have somebody at the very top of it....and somebody at the very bottom of it. The guy at the top...he would be happy about it and the poor sucka at the bottom...well, hate to tell ya...build a bigger bike next time. Like Billy said, a drag is a drag and a drag is to be the FASTEST, PERIOD. A few hours of grudge racing...great, my T4 likes to come out and smack around a few Trikes too. (also runs and hides like a little girl when the serious boyz come out with their RAGGS! )

Seeing how everyone else tossed out a class suggestion. Here's mine. Make it a simple 3 class deal. 2 Stroke, 4 Stroke and Open.
If I remember correctly, most of the 4 strokes were 350Xs with some 200Xs in there and the majority of the the 2 strokes were variations of 250cc bikes. My conversion, Raffa's Big Yellar and similar bikes would have to run in the Open class. If you WANTED to run your smaller bike in the open class, you should be allowed. Some smaller "stock" 2-Fiddies can RUN! To keep the time in check, gotta register, and you can only run ONE class with the same bike. Can't enter the wicked built Tri-Z 250 in the 2 stroke class, AND in the open class. Pick one. You will be able to run for hours and hours to prove your point as how fast you are, but if everyone was allowed to enter multiple classes, it would take FOREVER to finish, not to mention, what a headache for the peeps running it. Grudge for a few hours,( you can run all day prior to the drags, so you got strip time) then a double elim. Lots of people will be able to participate and some of the slower bike will be able to run for something. Like everyone else, just my .02.

On a side note. Not sure if everyone or anyone has heard about the Side Wager I got going on with Corey Sprock..TriTecate350 here on the boards. Simple, he has to WIN the TF Drags to win the bet. For ME to win the bet...ANYBODY other than Corey has to WIN the TF Drags. I like MY odds better than HIS. Heck, I don't even have to race to win. Now, the payoff. The WINNER gets to see the LOSER wear a dress to the TF Awards Ceremony. Yep, that's right, A Dress. Now, you fast guys...I know it would be wonderful to put the screws on me by losing, but you can't do that...right? Please? The drags this year are VERY important. LOL!

Bryan Raffa
12-12-2006, 09:47 PM
ha ha ha what do ya say billy,ronnie,jason easy on the throttle this year!! ROTFLMAO!

Billy Golightly
12-12-2006, 09:51 PM
I'm gonna do like Ronnie, roll off the line and then brapp it about half way down the strip and pass everyon! I got the dremel out workin on a spare cylinder right now :naughty:

Yamahondaman
12-12-2006, 09:57 PM
HUMMMM ?? do the "Time Trial's in a ( NICE MODE ) "so you can sand bag the "slower ones" and after you BEAT Them ... OPEN it up on the FAST RAGS !!!
no lights ,,, heads up ,,, ......SAND BAG !!! :naughty:

Bryan Raffa
12-12-2006, 10:06 PM
Thats What I thought BOYS!!!!!!:lol: :naughty: :beer

Louis Mielke
12-12-2006, 10:15 PM
Craig I tihnk you've made the best suggestion yet.I think it makes total sense. And as you said, we shouldn't be worrying about a bunch of complicated class, we should opptimize the fun of the event for everyone!

And ah....when are we comming to your place again? There no hills around here!

mywifeknowseverything
01-13-2007, 04:36 PM
This is what I see Happening this yr....
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/fox300exchic/download.gif

Jason Hall
01-13-2007, 06:41 PM
I seriously doubt that will happen. Too many fast Red Rides at TF for a Blue Bonnit to win It. HEHEHEHE.

TRITecate350
01-23-2007, 01:25 AM
Here is the rules for the drags.... from the flyer.

Due to popular demand After 5:30PM We’ll start
getting a little bit more serious. 2 classes will be formed,
a “General” class which is limited to the following: No
out frame exhaust pipes, No alcohol burners or nitrous
systems, no hybrids, and a maximum +4 swing arm. 2
strokes, and 4 strokes both will be in this class. Lane
choice and order will be decided once the amount of
racers has been determined. The top 4 finishers in this
class will then run off to determine the fastest in this
class. After that the big boys will roll out in the
“Unlimited” class. Anything goes here, street bike
power, alcohol, nitrous as long as its on 3 wheels you
can race it. As in the previous class the lane choice and
order will be decided after the amount of racers has
been determined. Top 4 finishers will square off for a
chance to end up with the Trikefest “Unlimited Class”
trophy and have the bragging rights for the speediest
machine at Trikefest 2007.

madmanwithmouse
01-23-2007, 01:50 AM
Intresting. . . :rolleyes: :wondering

dizasterzrfun69
01-23-2007, 02:41 AM
so there is only one drag trophy? :( i know they cost money and all but thatd be sweet if we could have a trophy for both classes :w00t: and i have a question thats going to make me look stupid... Whats a "hybrid"?? is that like a street bike in a 250r frame? or is an esr big bore considered a "hybrid"??

Bryan Raffa
01-23-2007, 09:26 AM
Whats a "hybrid"??

I would have to say a dirtbike turnd into a trike or a quad turned into a trike

unlimited class would be as stated "anything go's"

and is there going to be 2,3 tropheys?

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 10:40 AM
Holy crap! 4 inches of swinger extension is allowed in the general class??? Sorry but that sounds very odd. 4 inches can make a big difference. :crazy:

TRITecate350
01-23-2007, 11:28 AM
I have a +6 swingarm I was building, but looks like I need to go to +4. Really the swingarm is no big deal, you can take the highest horsepower trike and make it not pull a wheelie and still get the power to the ground. Just adjust the forks down and strap the rear end down. Take a look at the trike in the picture, from the axle to the swingarm pivot, the swingarm is going down hill. With your swingarm in this position, and the axle propelling the atc directly forward which will try and push the atc to the ground the whole time. If the swingarm is going up hill, the axle will try and climb underneath the atc, which makes wheelies easy.

Bryan Raffa
01-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Holy crap! 4 inches of swinger extension is allowed in the general class??? Sorry but that sounds very odd. 4 inches can make a big difference. :crazy:


maybe a modified stock class?

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 11:48 AM
I have a +6 swingarm I was building, but looks like I need to go to +4. Really the swingarm is no big deal, you can take the highest horsepower trike and make it not pull a wheelie and still get the power to the ground. Just adjust the forks down and strap the rear end down. Take a look at the trike in the picture, from the axle to the swingarm pivot, the swingarm is going down hill. With your swingarm in this position, and the axle propelling the atc directly forward which will try and push the atc to the ground the whole time. If the swingarm is going up hill, the axle will try and climb underneath the atc, which makes wheelies easy.
:lol: The swingarm is no big deal but yet you're going for the max for the class?

Sorry but if you believe the swinger length doesn’t help then we need not debate anymore.:rolleyes:




maybe a modified stock class?
Seems that would have been the best way. As the rules are written now you could run a 330R with a +4 swinger and a weighted front tire in the "general" class. IDK about you but it sure seems like there's a BIG segment of riders being left behind again. I thought TF was about everyone having fun, not just the guys that have a ton in their machines...........

Bryan Raffa
01-23-2007, 11:58 AM
Well I agree,, sounds like there needs to be a modifed class for the 270,300,310,330's with open pipes and swinger's and fuel, And if ya think you got what it takes you can jump up with the open class,That would be owner/rider's preference.

TRITecate350
01-23-2007, 01:05 PM
:lol: The swingarm is no big deal but yet you're going for the max for the class?

Sorry but if you believe the swinger length doesn’t help then we need not debate anymore.:rolleyes:



......WOW taking shots at me? :lol:
I was building this trike for all around riding etc. Naturally I am not going to have my trike lowered to the ground while trail riding. I think a +6 swing arm would be perfect for all around riding, BUT Because I will be drag racing at Trikefest in the "General Class" I will simply change my plans to meet the rules so I don’t have to race in the open. Yet, I will still be able to ride it without pulling wheelies while riding my trike at the normal suspension height....Sure +6 would be better than a +4, but I will live with it.
I still stand behind what I said.... In-fact, with the swing arm being stock length, it could be better than an extended swing arm on the hard pack dirt drags. Think about it, rear wheels’ being closer to the engine adds weight to the rear end for more traction. Look at a top fuel dragster, the rear wheels are close to the engine and all the weight is near the rear tires. From the rear tires to the front the frame is going down hill.
Here is another example: Flat track racers shorten their swing arms, and lower there bikes to the ground...I ask you why? Sure they need to be lower for turning and sliding too, but still they shorten their swing arm.

Maybe next time you post......Instead of implying that I am stupid, you should back up the things you are saying with examples or facts, just like I have done.

I do agree though about there being more classes, they should have at least broken up the 2 and 4 strokes. But it doesn’t affect me.....

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 01:11 PM
Lets everyone lay off the pot shots and be happy that we're even able to have drag races this year.

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 01:18 PM
Lets everyone lay off the pot shots and be happy that we're even able to have drag races this year.
I'm not going to feel bad at all about that one Billy but don't you agree that this structure is still very lacking???

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 01:22 PM
Everyone wants perfection the first time, me too. But considering this is the "infant" year of organized drags I don't think its possible to get everything right the first time no matter how hard someone tries or how many times its bickered over. If someone has an idea, the only way to know whether it works or not is to test it and find out.

Bryan Raffa
01-23-2007, 01:28 PM
I know ya said no pot shots but where does my new drag bike fall under?:naughty: :naughty: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 01:28 PM
Everyone wants perfection the first time, me too. But considering this is the "infant" year of organized drags I don't think its possible to get everything right the first time no matter how hard someone tries or how many times its bickered over. If someone has an idea, the only way to know whether it works or not is to test it and find out.
I'm just shocked that the concept went from 4 classes including kiddie racing to two classes that still exclude the average guy. Why can we do 9 classes for MX to make everyone happy but only 2 for Drags? I'm not trying to be dick but it sure seems like there's a huge segment of riders being left out.

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 01:33 PM
Hey if I had my way as a competitor, I'd want it exactly like it was last year cause it sure worked out good for me. But the fact of the matter is its not, and we're attempting to make it better for everyone. How to go about that is of course up for debate by everyone and their brother

Edit: :lol: Corey, please don't take that the wrong way what I had said about the milk cow, I wasn't even thinking of your avatar when I said that.:eek:

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 01:40 PM
But the fact of the matter is its not, and we're attempting to make it better for everyone.
The only people this plan helps is people who have dumped a ton of work into their machines. TF MX has proven that adding multiple classes at once can work, why not try it here? All I'm saying is it's a shame to only add one class when that one class still excludes the average guy. Seems more like a club within a club then a club event.

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 01:43 PM
My personal opinion is, Racing is serious business. If your coming to race, be serious about it and do not waste track time for other people that are. If your coming to play on the track with everyone thats fine and is encouraged during the grudge racing beforehand.

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 01:48 PM
My personal opinion is, Racing is serious business. If your coming to race, be serious about it and do not waste track time for other people that are. If your coming to play on the track with everyone thats fine and is encouraged during the grudge racing beforehand.
So are you saying that you don't like all the little classes for MX too? There's a lot of classes on the list that aren’t too serious for that event. Why does 3WW support fun for many in one event but only "serious business" in another?

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 02:00 PM
My personal opinion, and my opinion on what is best for the event are 2 different things. The motocross races are a pretty different. You don't have near the participation in it as you do the drag strip. Half of those classes will have 10 people in them if we are lucky, and the other 5 people if we're lucky. Jumps scare a lot of people away but going in a straight line doesn't really. With more participation comes very realistic time constraints. Does anyone want to make the argument there were more people Motocrossing last year then there was at the drag strip for the grudge racing or finals?

OldSchoolin86
01-23-2007, 02:16 PM
My personal opinion, and my opinion on what is best for the event are 2 different things. The motocross races are a pretty different. You don't have near the participation in it as you do the drag strip. Half of those classes will have 10 people in them if we are lucky, and the other 5 people if we're lucky. Jumps scare a lot of people away but going in a straight line doesn't really. With more participation comes very realistic time constraints. Does anyone want to make the argument there were more people Motocrossing last year then there was at the drag strip for the grudge racing or finals?
No argument with participation but even so 3 classes are more then possible. I don't think we need a class for everyone but when we don't even have a REAL "gereral" class something is seriously missing.

madmanwithmouse
01-23-2007, 03:46 PM
Im kinda with billy here, go race and have a good time the hell with trophrys or who is faster :Bounce . . . however if you are going to organize somthing then split it up and do it right. :)

TRITecate350
01-23-2007, 05:02 PM
I should find an avatar with some "balls". :lol:

Is there an actual rules list? I dont want to show up and someone say that I cant run in the regular class because I have a stroker or wheelie bar...etc. I am going to put a lot of money into these trikes and dont want to build it according to your rules and be suprised into the open class when I get there. I have my kx500 trike for the open class and am building the other tecate for riding and racing in the general class.
Can I do anything to the engine?

dizasterzrfun69
01-23-2007, 05:11 PM
yea how about wheelie bars?

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 06:24 PM
All good questions...

erectordale
01-23-2007, 06:31 PM
is my 500 a stock machine then I take it

200x Basket
01-23-2007, 07:03 PM
run what you brung and hope you brung enough :)

it never ceases to amaze me how people try to bend drag racing rules to fit their machine. racing is racing and the fastest guy wins. sounds like this groups needs to bracket race so the whinners can win something

how about weight classes for the riders? it sure is not fair for the 300# guy to have to race the 100# guy. Oh, he has aluminum handle bars and mine has steel, not fair!!! get over it and RACE.

Mosh
01-23-2007, 07:19 PM
Time is a huge issue.For a first time drag race class structure,this can be simple and effective.Basically this way takes the really big trikes and puts them in a class.This leaves a much better chance for the average trike to run with more comparable machines.
Seems like most people wanted a 4 stroke class and a 2 stroke class and, an open class,and some even suggested that there be a smaller 4 stroke classes for 185's and 200x's etc etc.Then some people wanted double eliminations. We have from apprx 5:30 p.m. to 9:00pm to run probably 50 plus machines at least.Throw that in with double elims and 4-5 classes and there is really no way that it can be done in 3 and1/2 hours.And all this being taken into consideration that some people want to groom the track in between class changes.Which is fine and a good safe idea,but to add this into the time factor with 4 classes with double elims would be unreal to accomplish.

The way it is structured from what I understand, is the "general or novice class" will be grouped and paired up for matches as even as possible.Therfore If you are on a 350x and are matched to race a 310R,Then a more even machine will be lined up with your 350x.Maybe next year 2008 can allot more time to add more classes.:)

Yamahondaman
01-23-2007, 07:33 PM
Where does that put Nathan and My Stock TRI-Z 250's? :lol:

Mosh
01-23-2007, 07:40 PM
Where does that put Nathan and My Stock TRI-Z 250's? :lol:O3 shee goes open cuz of alcohol. You will be guarding the cooler:lol: :lol: .no really I think you are goin open class cuz your swinger.and you can obviously run with the big dogs.

Yamahondaman
01-23-2007, 07:42 PM
i know .... i just thought i'd "stir" it up some ... :lol:
OH and YES ..... The COOLER !!!! :beer

Bryan Raffa
01-23-2007, 07:51 PM
hey nathen's not runnin alky I think your STOCK class is in trouble!:naughty: :naughty: :naughty: :lol: :lol:

And then there's dale:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

TRITecate350
01-23-2007, 07:54 PM
If the swingarm is all that is stoping you.....just make a new one to fit the class Ronnie.

Yamahondaman
01-23-2007, 08:46 PM
HUMMM.... GOOD Idea !! the Clutch is the "Wheelie"and the Throttle is the "Tire Spin" .... MR501 Radial's on the Rear and your GOOD to Go !! :naughty:

03 ORANGE SHEE
01-23-2007, 10:11 PM
O3 shee goes open cuz of alcohol. You will be guarding the cooler:lol: :lol: .no really I think you are goin open class cuz your swinger.and you can obviously run with the big dogs.

i run on alcohol, the trike runs on pump gas:D
if it was up to me ,in order to run, your trike must start out as a" trike" frame,with any engine you want installed, this might narrow down two top "bikes" i can think of,(this is where hybrid comes in) if speed bump still had the cr converted atc where would he be able to run??its a very fast trike but with the plus six, i dont think it would be fair for him to have to run all them big 500 things, even them ugly green ones:D

03 ORANGE SHEE
01-23-2007, 10:19 PM
if thats the case, ill be cuttin a wheel off the orange shee and runnin it!

Bryan Raffa
01-23-2007, 10:21 PM
put the motor in the tri shee!!!:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

TimSr
01-23-2007, 11:02 PM
I'm just shocked that the concept went from 4 classes including kiddie racing to two classes that still exclude the average guy. Why can we do 9 classes for MX to make everyone happy but only 2 for Drags? I'm not trying to be dick but it sure seems like there's a huge segment of riders being left out.

We can easily run 9 drag classes. All we have to do is line up each entire class and run them at the same time, and it will be just like the motocross. I didnt create 9 MX classes to make everybody happy. We started with 4 classes, and slowly expanded to nine over 4 years to make ME happy. By the way, everybody is NOT happy. People still endlessly complain.

Why does somebody have to be a serious contender for a trophy in order to not be "left out"? The ones being left out are the non-serious guys there for fun who couldnt care less about a trophy, who are getting shoved off to the sidelines when you end open grudge matches to make room for all the structured classes you want. We had the most participation AND participants ran the most races in '04, when there were NO classes or trophies.

Billy Golightly
01-23-2007, 11:17 PM
Well if you wanna get technical, my 500 isn't a hybrid since its still running the stock frame, and engine :D But I won't play that game.

seadoo650
01-23-2007, 11:35 PM
The two classes were set up with simplicity in mind. Everyone wanted a billion classes and then just to keep it the same as last year. With the division into two classes, the idea was to seperate the guys who put all year long and every paycheck into their bike to be the FASTEST. Now I see alot of guys talking about altering their bike to fit into the general class. I thought these same guys wanted to content for bragging rights as top dog. If you take a trike that is a serious contender for the unlimited class and win the general class then you'll only be top dog in a class of puppies. It seems like alot of the guys that were talking big about being able to keep up and beat the big 500's were'nt really serious. Billy, looks like the trophy is yours again. C'mon guys, all things take trial and error. General class is just that, your non-serious but man that drag racing is sure fun kinda racer and the unlimited class is for the "wing clipper crew", "ride red die-hards", and "green booger boys". Don't take offense guys, I've heard all these terms since the last drags and they are not ment to offend.

Dale. I thought you wanted to run with the big boys? Show-em what a 20-some year old stock bike would do.

Ronnie, I know you can run with the big dogs....AND WIN. Do ya wanna miss that?

Cory, Not sure what you are running but I heard it was fast. Thought you would be a contender for the unlimited class?

Raffa, C'MON????

O.S., Do you even have a trike?

TimSr
01-24-2007, 12:09 AM
Maybe we need a team of lawyers to decide the fate of a couple trophies. This is why I opposed multiple classes to begin with. The guys who want the specific set of rules the most are usually the first ones to try to manipulate the loopholes in those rules to run in a class in which they are overqualified for. The honorable way to eliminate competition is with a faster ride, not a laywer and a rulebook!

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 12:17 AM
Time is a huge issue.For a first time drag race class structure,this can be simple and effective.Basically this way takes the really big trikes and puts them in a class.This leaves a much better chance for the average trike to run with more comparable machines.At least be honest about it, there's no chance for the average guy here. If you want a modified stock class and open mod then call it what it is.


Seems like most people wanted a 4 stroke class and a 2 stroke class and, an open class...........but to add this into the time factor with 4 classes with double elims would be unreal to accomplish.WAY over complicated!!! Just 3 classes, stock (with a few minor mods allowed), modified stock and an open mod class. Simple and doable. Still waiting on a practical answer to why this is not possible.


We can easily run 9 drag classes. All we have to do is line up each entire class and run them at the same time, and it will be just like the motocross. I didnt create 9 MX classes to make everybody happy. We started with 4 classes, and slowly expanded to nine over 4 years to make ME happy. By the way, everybody is NOT happy. People still endlessly complain.Come on Tim, I think we all know that you'll never make everyone happy but this is way easier to do then you guys are making it out to be. What's so hard about 3 classes and why is it so bad to just have that 3rd class so a lot more people can enjoy themselves???


Now I see alot of guys talking about altering their bike to fit into the general class..........you'll only be top dog in a class of puppies.
It's just reality! The classes are clearly structured so that the almost extreme machines will be in one class and the totally extreme in the other.


O.S., Do you even have a trike?I'm glad you asked, no I don't. I've been to a few TF's now and the general theme has been just for us to get together and have a good time. Now that it's more of an organized event it seems that we're forgetting a little bit of that (not much, just a little). I don't have a trike and that alone should show that I'm not out to gain anything for myself, I'm not out to set rules like +4" swingers just so I can fit my machine in a class.

seadoo650
01-24-2007, 12:26 AM
At least be honest about it, there's no chance for the average guy here. If you want a modified stock class and open mod then call it what it is.

WAY over complicated!!! Just 3 classes, stock (with a few minor mods allowed), modified stock and an open mod class. Simple and doable. Still waiting on a practical answer to why this is not possible.

Come on Tim, I think we all know that you'll never make everyone happy but this is way easier to do then you guys are making it out to be. What's so hard about 3 classes and why is it so bad to just have that 3rd class so a lot more people can enjoy themselves???


It's just reality! The classes are clearly structured so that the almost extreme machines will be in one class and the totally extreme in the other.

I'm glad you asked, no I don't. I've been to a few TF's now and the general theme has been just for us to get together and have a good time. Now that it's more of an organized event it seems that we're forgetting a little bit of that (not much, just a little). I don't have a trike and that alone should show that I'm not out to gain anything for myself, I'm not out to set rules like +4" swingers just so I can fit my machine in a class.

As for trying to set the rules to fit my machine in a certain class. I am not even running in the drags. If you are refering to the wifes big 'ol 200x it has a plus 2 swinger. Also, I hav'nt really heard too many "everage guys" here do all the complaining. I did mostly at first but realizing I'm in it just for fun I could care less about a trophy.

TimSr
01-24-2007, 12:29 AM
Come on Tim, I think we all know that you'll never make everyone happy but this is way easier to do then you guys are making it out to be. What's so hard about 3 classes and why is it so bad to just have that 3rd class so a lot more people can enjoy themselves???



Gee, I dont know whats so hard about it. Apparenty Im not very bright. It only took, what, 2- 2 1/2 hours to run through one class of 13 riders last year? How much longer could two or three more classes possibly take? A third class does not allow more people to enjoy themselves, unless "people" is defined as only those who are there for a trophy. Open grudge match, non-trophy drags had participation in the 90% and above range. I dont want to see those people get pushed to the curb to make room for the trophy hounds, which are not a majority.

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 12:29 AM
As for trying to set the rules to fit my machine in a certain class. I am not even running in the drags. If you are refering to the wifes big 'ol 200x it has a plus 2 swinger. Also, I hav'nt really heard too many "everage guys" here do all the complaining. I did mostly at first but realizing I'm in it just for fun I could care less about a trophy.
I never mentioned your wife or a trophy............:wondering


Gee, I dont know whats so hard about it. Apparenty Im not very bright. It only took, what, 2- 2 1/2 hours to run through one class of 13 riders last year? How much longer could two or three more classes possibly take? A third class does not allow more people to enjoy themselves, unless "people" is defined as only those who are there for a trophy. Open grudge match, non-trophy drags had participation in the 90% and above range. I dont want to see those people get pushed to the curb to make room for the trophy hounds, which are not a majority.
Okay Tim, you and I are BOTH too thick headed for good debate (as we've learned in the past) but just for arguments sake what's so hard about this? Lets say you have single eliminations for the 2 lower classes and double eliminations for the open class. Assume a number like 16 riders per class. If it took 5 minutes per run that would be 1 hour and 15 minutes each. I can't think of a viable reason it would take 5 minutes a run but if it did that would be 2.5 hours for the first 2 classes. Start the event around 4 and you now have 2.5 hours for the first 2 classes and 2.5 hours for the open class. With good organization this should be a very reachable goal with time to spare.

If you can't see how that 3rd class will help people enjoy themselves then I don't know what to tell you. The extra classes sure seem to help people enjoy themselves in the MX races.

Bryan Raffa
01-24-2007, 12:31 AM
Im Coming Rick , BIG DOG's RUFF,RUFF,RUFF
I built my bike for one thing TO GO FAST! and Prove Yamaha's are fast Too!

(The honorable way to eliminate competition is with a faster ride)

As for a trophy I could care less, The amount of money in this trike the memorys and the satisfaction are plenty enough!:cool:

erectordale
01-24-2007, 12:31 AM
[QUOTE=seadoo650]
Dale. I thought you wanted to run with the big boys? Show-em what a 20-some year old stock bike would do.

I'm not complaining ! I'm thinking of the other guys I like seeing everyone have fun. Example a stock 250r against the Tiger 500 wouldn't seem like a fair race. I will let you guys decide what class you put me in and thats where I will run Since the 500 is running correctly I know what it will do and the heavy modded machines don't scare me.

My only request is maybe a little early we let the little guys ( kids under 14 )have their turn racing among themselves. even if we can muster up a youth drag trophy that would be great. I get more thrill out of this than racing myself

Louis Mielke
01-24-2007, 12:32 AM
Melt the darn trophy down.

Better yet screw the official drags.

I'm starting an outlaw drag class.
Run what you brung, put up or shut up. NO CRY BABIES ALLOWED!
We run after the "official drags are over" no trophy, just haspin dirt, blood and tears

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Billy Golightly
01-24-2007, 12:34 AM
I got an idea, How about we all just draw straws for the trophy and leave the three-wheelers home in the garage! Everything will be perfectly fair and square then and we wont have the hassle of bracket racing!

TimSr
01-24-2007, 12:35 AM
I got an idea, How about we all just draw straws for the trophy and leave the three-wheelers home in the garage! Everything will be perfectly fair and square then and we wont have the hassle of bracket racing!

I say we charge $20 to race like every other place, and then we can buy everyone a trophy!

seadoo650
01-24-2007, 12:36 AM
"I'm not out to set rules like +4" swingers just so I can fit my machine in a class."

You said this and you know who set the rules. What do ya mean? Do you think we have an alterior (sp?) motive?

Mosh
01-24-2007, 12:38 AM
I say we charge $20 to race like every other place, and then we can buy everyone a trophy!like a big baby bottle?????

Bryan Raffa
01-24-2007, 12:39 AM
Ill send ya $20 hurry up and send it out so i can get some picks up on the board before anyone else,,, LOL

Louis Mielke
01-24-2007, 12:39 AM
I KNOW!!! LETS RACE PINEWOODS INSTEAD!!! I always missed those after I left scouts....most people used graphite but my dad has us use vegetable oil.Worked great until the wheels started melting lol

TimSr
01-24-2007, 12:39 AM
Melt the darn trophy down.

Better yet screw the official drags.

I'm starting an outlaw drag class.
Run what you brung, put up or shut up. NO CRY BABIES ALLOWED!
We run after the "official drags are over" no trophy, just haspin dirt, blood and tears

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


That was exactly how we started this in 2004. Almost everybody there was dragging something from the littlest on up. You just pointed at somebody, got in line and ran. Some people probably ran better than 20 or 30 races that night too. Compare that to hanging around for hours to run 3 or 4 times against people you dont even get to pick. Im with you. I curse the day we brought trophies into this!

TimSr
01-24-2007, 12:41 AM
like a big baby bottle?????


:lol: :lol: :lol: LMAO!

seadoo650
01-24-2007, 12:43 AM
[QUOTE=seadoo650]
Dale. I thought you wanted to run with the big boys? Show-em what a 20-some year old stock bike would do.

I'm not complaining ! I'm thinking of the other guys I like seeing everyone have fun. Example a stock 250r against the Tiger 500 wouldn't seem like a fair race. I will let you guys decide what class you put me in and thats where I will run Since the 500 is running correctly I know what it will do and the heavy modded machines don't scare me.

My only request is maybe a little early we let the little guys ( kids under 14 )have their turn racing among themselves. even if we can muster up a youth drag trophy that would be great. I get more thrill out of this than racing myself

I think there is supposed to be a youth class set up between the elims and finals. Did'nt get posted. Technically you could run in either class. If it were me I would run with the big boys and get some of them braggin' rights.

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 12:44 AM
"I'm not out to set rules like +4" swingers just so I can fit my machine in a class."

You said this and you know who set the rules. What do ya mean? Do you think we have an alterior (sp?) motive?
Easy man, I got the hell out of that planning room a while back. I have no idea who's in there now or who set the rules.

seadoo650
01-24-2007, 12:48 AM
Easy man, I got the hell out of that planning room a while back. I have no idea who's in there now or who set the rules.

Exactly! You bailed so don't complain about the results. Like I stated earlier , It's gonna take some trial and error. This is just the start. It'll either get better in the future or It will got back to the way it was.(no classes). I'm leaning towards the latter. No feelings hurt so far.

Mosh
01-24-2007, 12:49 AM
Easy man, I got the hell out of that planning room a while back. I have no idea who's in there now or who set the rules.If i remeber correctly when you were in the planning room,you did not even want the fourstrokes for the average guy to have their own 4 stroke class. YEAH BABY OLDSCHOOLIN FOR PRESIDENT. FIGHTIN FOR THE AVERAGE GUY IN 07.

erectordale
01-24-2007, 12:50 AM
Rick I agree braggin rights are better than trophys The Big boys class sounds like more fun
Tim I do want too run but if I can help let me know I will jump in

TimSr
01-24-2007, 12:51 AM
like a big baby bottle?????


http://home.neo.rr.com/timtim/bottle.jpg


http://home.neo.rr.com/timtim/crybaby.jpg

seadoo650
01-24-2007, 12:51 AM
If i remeber correctly when you were in the planning room,you did not even want the fourstrokes for the average guy to have their own 4 stroke class. YEAH BABY OLDSCHOOLIN FOR PRESIDENT. FIGHTIN FOR THE AVERAGE GUY IN 07.


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Bryan Raffa
01-24-2007, 12:56 AM
If thats my trophy it better have chocolate milk in it!:mad:

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 12:56 AM
If i remeber correctly when you were in the planning room,you did not even want the fourstrokes for the average guy to have their own 4 stroke class. YEAH BABY OLDSCHOOLIN FOR PRESIDENT. FIGHTIN FOR THE AVERAGE GUY IN 07.
Ouch, I think I see some true colors here. Good pot shot man, glad to see you still can't handle simple debate with out crying.

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure I was fighting at one point for 2-stroke and 4-stroke classes. Didn't we all get to the point were we realized that that would make too many classes??? I agree, this event would be nuts with too many classes but as I've been asking for pages now why is 3 so damn hard to do?

Mosh
01-24-2007, 12:58 AM
Ouch, I think I see some true colors here. Good pot shot man, glad to see you still can't handle simple debate with out crying.

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure I was fighting at one point for 2-stroke and 4-stroke classes. Didn't we all get to the point were we realized that that would make too many classes??? I agree, this event would be nuts with too many classes but as I've been asking for pages now why is 3 so damn hard to do?ohh sorry.... there was no pot shot intended.Its just a strong cup of joe.add sugar if you need to.

Billy Golightly
01-24-2007, 01:00 AM
Ouch, I think I see some true colors here. Good pot shot man, glad to see you still can't handle simple debate with out crying.

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure I was fighting at one point for 2-stroke and 4-stroke classes. Didn't we all get to the point were we realized that that would make too many classes??? I agree, this event would be nuts with too many classes but as I've been asking for pages now why is 3 so damn hard to do?


BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIT 2 CLASSES IN THE ALLOTTED TIME AND 3 MIGHT NOT MAKE IT. WHAT DO YOU DO IF IT GETS DARK AND ONE CLASS ISN'T FINISHED RUNNING??????????????????

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 01:03 AM
The guys who want the specific set of rules the most are usually the first ones to try to manipulate the loopholes in those rules to run in a class in which they are overqualified for. The honorable way to eliminate competition is with a faster ride, not a laywer and a rulebook!

:lol: I was the first to ask about specific rules and you are right. I will be the 1st one to manipulate the system. But, I am playing by the rules you guys make... if you dont want me to show up with a 350 big bore stroker, with a pvl, custom FTZ Drag inframe exhaust, and all the other goodies you need to put it in the rules. Point being, what ever the rules are I will put a lot of effort into being fast and following the rules. I am sorry but that is the way I am made. Here is an example of how pathetic I am.....

I go to Dairy Queen for ice cream for the family. My 2 and 5 year old want a chocolate shake just like daddy.
Small Shake$2.39
Super size $3.39
So I order 1 super size shake and ask the lady for 2 small cups with lids and straws. Then my wife will order whatever she wants. Then I take my SS shake and pour 1/2 in each cup for my kids. So, I manipulated the system and ended up saving $4.78 by not purchasing the 2 small shakes, and not to mention I had at least a medium worth of ice cream for myself.
Now some people would call me crazy :crazy:
I use this kinda mind set everyday.

I plan on racing the open and the general classes. I think alot of the open class guys are also planning on racing another trike in the general class. I just dont want anyone saying, OMG Corey is running 5 spark plugs in his head and that is not fair....put him in the open class.

I know what it is like to be picked on... I use to race a Polaris Scrambler in the local mud pits. Every year they would make up new rules just to limit me to a certain class. They actually let the 4x4s race in the 2wd class (with 4x4 off) but (because of me) they wouldnt let the 2wds run in the 4x4 class. Classes use to be 200-300, 300-400 etc.....and you ran your engine sizes class and could enter the classes bigger than you. Well, their new rule was.....(because of me) you had to go by what your engine size was on the sticker of your bike. So, My 378cc Scrambler could no longer race in the 300-400cc class because it says "Scrambler 400" on the plastic.

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 01:05 AM
BECAUSE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO FIT 2 CLASSES IN THE ALLOTTED TIME AND 3 MIGHT NOT MAKE IT. WHAT DO YOU DO IF IT GETS DARK AND ONE CLASS ISN'T FINISHED RUNNING??????????????????
Damn Billy, you and I were fighting for this before. I figured you of all people would get it. I guess people are entitled to change their minds I just don't see what's so hard about this. In the past it's been just tossed together, this year with some organization time shouldn't be as big of a problem. Single eliminations for the lower classes and double for open should fit with ease.

Billy Golightly
01-24-2007, 01:10 AM
My answer is correct. In 05 we finished in the dark. I remember the last 2 races Jason Hall and I did I couldn't see *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* because I didn't have a headlight and there were no lights on over the strip. Last year wasn't quite as bad but by the time the dust had cleared from the accident it was dark then. We're starting earlier but we're also already adding a class. I'm not entirely convinced we'll have time for a second class before it gets dark and I REALLY dont think a 3rd one is doable and unless we start class racing at 3:00PM in the afternoon.

TimSr
01-24-2007, 01:10 AM
If thats my trophy it better have chocolate milk in it!:mad:

http://home.neo.rr.com/timtim/budbottle.jpg

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 01:17 AM
I taped the entire drag race I didnt think it took that long. Also you wont be runing time trials for top speed so that would save time. Couldnt you also start the drags early with the grudge races after.... Grudge races have historically been after the drags....you race people who have beat you earlier because you have a grudge against them. This drag race is important to lots of people, I think it should take prority over the grudge races anyway.
I really dont know why we are all fighting..... I am going to win both classes:eek: :lol: :lol:

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 01:19 AM
LOL By the time I post there is like 20 posts from where i left off.

TimSr
01-24-2007, 01:28 AM
In the past it's been just tossed together, this year with some organization time shouldn't be as big of a problem.


Ive got a lot of responses to that statement, and none are very dignified so Ill just say now I understand why you dont get it. It truly is a thankless job.

SpeedBump
01-24-2007, 01:28 AM
Hmmmm?? Interesting. Can't wait to see how things turn out. Get it RAGGGGG!!!

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 01:32 AM
and I cant wait to see you in that dress....mmmmm mmmmmm
SEXY!!!!

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 01:33 AM
Here you go Craig...... This one is for you.

dizasterzrfun69
01-24-2007, 01:34 AM
I just want some sort of chance at bragging rights. I'd love to win the open class drags but i dont have the time/money/knowledge to build that kind of bike. I think the people who know their S*** should stay in the open class, billy on his 500, ronnie on his z, etc... you have ran before and KNOW that your bike would be a top qualifier in the open class with the big dogs. If the trophy isnt important then why do people have to run 2 classes like TRITecate350 said he is going to do? If you think you have the machine to win the unlimited class then run in JUST the unlimited class. If i was some engine master and knew how to build/could afford a big bad "unlimited" trike then i would but i dont. So i have my little 250r (maybe a 310 by tf07) that im planning on running.

I'm not saying it should be a rule but i think the General class should be for the guys who dont have the knowledge/money to build some all out drag bike. I might have my 310 in my 85 r frame with a plus 3 swinger, BUT i bought the engine already in an 86 bike and i have NEVER rode it when its running right. I have no idea what its capable of. If i get it running and i think it wont stand a chance against billy then i WILL put it in my 85 r frame with a +3 swinger and run general class. Now if i get it running and feel i have a chance at beating billy and raffa i will keep the engine in my 86 r frame with a +12 swinger and an ftz out of frame drag pipe and run UNLIMITED class.

I simply think if you KNOW you will win the general class then you should run unlimited and give the "little dogs" a chance to win their class.

ALso about classes, not everyone will be happy EVER with the classes but why cant we make a poll? We would start the races earlier and have 3 classes. grude races are after the actual drags or some other time.

--Unlimited class

--Then this class like raffa suggested... a modifed class for the 270,300,310,330's with open pipes and swinger's and fuel, And if ya think you got what it takes you can jump up with the open class,That would be owner/rider's preference. Anything 2 stroke above 330 HAS to run unlimited regardless of fuel/pipe/swinger

--Then have one other class, stock tecates, 250R's and ALL 4 strokes or at least 4 strokes with 3wheeler engines in them modded or not (this excluded brapps trx450r trike).

billy couldnt have said it better

" My personal opinion is, Racing is serious business. If your coming to race, be serious about it and do not waste track time for other people that are. If your coming to play on the track with everyone thats fine and is encouraged during the grudge racing. "

so why cant we start earlier and have 3 classes? its not that hard. if you CAME TO DRAG RACE then it shouldnt matter if you miss some other event like the hillclimbs and so we could start earlier. if you didnt come to drag race then go watch the hill climbs and dont take up time on the drag strip

We will only be adding one more class consisting of 270,300,310, and 330's so how long could it possibly take to run the 270,300,310, and 330's? I'd think this class would take no longer than an hour itself. Just set up a poll on here and see how many 270,300,310, and 330's there are that plan on racing.

dizasterzrfun69
01-24-2007, 01:42 AM
i might want to add im very grateful for trikefest, the drag races, and all the hard work, time, and money put into the events by everyone who has a part in it such as tim, billy, howdy, EVERYONE who helps out. Im not trying to be an ass about the drag classes and i understand what you mods all are saying about the time. I do understand a LOT of time and effort go into trikefest and there are very little rewards for you people who give your all so everyone else has fun. I personally am not trying to complain about how its setup and if it doesnt change then i will deal with it. We dont have to have drag races at all, hell we dont even HAVE TO have trikefest at all and i think people should realize that. they also should realize how lucky they are to go to this big gathering, free of charge (except gate fees) and how much time and effort goes into it. feel free to flame me about my last post i just think if at all possible, that would be the best way to get people to shut up. Once again, if it doesnt change then oh well and im still very grateful we even have tf every year

SpeedBump
01-24-2007, 01:55 AM
I don't want to step on anyone's toes here. A good while ago I found a couple nice BRACKET FORMS for whoever is scoring the Drags to use. Very simple to understand and also quite helpful to keep things in order and running smoothly. (for time issues) I have one for a smaller goup of say 8, or a bit larger group of up to 16. Both are setup for double elims. If you are running single eliminations, I can find a brack for that as well. Here is the double.

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 01:57 AM
The only problem I see is you have no way of proving what I have in my engine. If I win the general class I will be accused of cheating(probably was) and people will dislike me. I think what ever the rules are, the classes should be determined by what you can see from the outside of the bike....other than that I agree with you diz....

SpeedBump
01-24-2007, 02:03 AM
Sprocky, that is just WRONG!!! PLEASE, NO MORE PICS of you and a DRESS!!!!!

BTW, I think Corey is plannin on running 2 DIFFERENT bikes for the drags. One for each class. He's not beating up the small guys with the UNLIMITED bike.

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 02:25 AM
Ive got a lot of responses to that statement, and none are very dignified so Ill just say now I understand why you dont get it. It truly is a thankless job.
Are you going to act like I don't know what it's like to do my part now???:rolleyes:

I seem to remember being in pretty deep with you in 05 with the MX races. Maybe the clip board in my hand was just for fun? How about spending a couple hours burning up the strip so the racers could run that year too? I offered my whole camp up a couple times as volunteers for 06 and didn't even get a response. I've always been willing to do my part, how dignified is that?

TRITecate350
01-24-2007, 02:33 AM
Yeah, I dont know if I made my self clear.... I am building 2 bikes, one open classer and one general classer....which will be built following the rules....

LOL, I took that picture in a changing room in Jc Pennys..... Here I am at the drag races while Rob is drag racing behind me, I was kinda his cheerleader......since you are soo interested in seeing me in a dress..... :lol:

Howdy
01-24-2007, 11:10 AM
Just adding my $0.02 here. The drags were best when we spent most of the evening doing grudge matches. But I do believe we can do some structured classes as well. Just as everything else evolved over the years the drags will evolve as well. We need to take Baby steps and make changes as they are needed.

Trophies: Sure most everyone that runs would like to have a Tropy. But It's not financially possible. One thing I am personally working on is getting a Drag Tree system that will allow us to print out time slips and much more. I'm doing this on my own out of MY own pocket. I'm not rich by no means, so to raise the needed funds I am selling some of my personal machines to buy it. I have a tight time line to get stuff sold, so I can get it ordered in time for TF. It's not going to be easy, but nothing worth having ever is. More info will be coming as things come together.



OS, I have a question here. If we run the drags as you stated in your reply ( here is a quote ):

Okay Tim, you and I are BOTH too thick headed for good debate (as we've learned in the past) but just for arguments sake what's so hard about this? Lets say you have single eliminations for the 2 lower classes and double eliminations for the open class. Assume a number like 16 riders per class. If it took 5 minutes per run that would be 1 hour and 15 minutes each. I can't think of a viable reason it would take 5 minutes a run but if it did that would be 2.5 hours for the first 2 classes. Start the event around 4 and you now have 2.5 hours for the first 2 classes and 2.5 hours for the open class. With good organization this should be a very reachable goal with time to spare.

If you can't see how that 3rd class will help people enjoy themselves then I don't know what to tell you. The extra classes sure seem to help people enjoy themselves in the MX races.

If we start the drags at 4PM and run aprox 5 hours of classes ( as you estimated in your reply ) then when will there be time for any grudge matches? 4PM plus 5 hours = 9PM. Around 9 or 9:30 it starts getting dark. This would basically eliminate most if not all chances of running gudge matches. Grudge matches brings out the most riders. A lot of those who run them are just happy to be participating. I think it safe to say there would be lot more riders in the grudge matches than in classes even if we had 5 classes. More classes = less grudge matches.

The questions I haven't seen anyone ask in this thread is these:
1) Would you like more classes and less grudge matches?
Or
2) Would you like more grudge matches and less Classes?


Howdy

Yamahondaman
01-24-2007, 11:19 AM
Trophies: Sure most everyone that runs would like to have a Trophy.
Howdy
i'll have a Cooler FULL of Trophies on Stand By "while i'm Grading" !! :lol:

Howdy
01-24-2007, 11:29 AM
i'll have a Cooler FULL of Trophies on Stand By "while i'm Grading" !! :lol:

:beer :beer :beer
Howdy

OldSchoolin86
01-24-2007, 12:51 PM
The questions I haven't seen anyone ask in this thread is these:
1) Would you like more classes and less grudge matches?
Or
2) Would you like more grudge matches and less Classes?


Howdy
As we've seen in the past people can grudge match all weekend. Besides, if you have a scheduled event like drags people will get together on their own to work that out before and after the event.

Kintore
01-24-2007, 03:21 PM
Why cant we just have some fun? lol

I personally say, Grudge match the most of the night
Then the top dogs who think they can win 1-3rd place all go together, draw names and race each other. 1-3rd spots.

That way most people still get out there, people who put LOTS into there trikes have a fair chance at going.
I dont care if i dont win a trophy or not, well maybe thats just me. Is this all about trophys now adays?
TimSr said in 04 we had the most participation, no classes just giver! Why cant we bring it back? But wait, trophies......:(

03 ORANGE SHEE
01-24-2007, 04:22 PM
before i cut this into a tri-zilla and put a 250r front on it, can i race it and not get any sh!t from it??:eek: it does have a plus 12 on the back, and would be the only zuk 500 trike out there, in fact i dont think anyone has even cut one of these into a trike

atctim
01-24-2007, 05:02 PM
before i cut this into a tri-zilla and put a 250r front on it, can i race it and not get any sh!t from it??:eek: it does have a plus 12 on the back, and would be the only zuk 500 trike out there, in fact i dont think anyone has even cut one of these into a trike

Nate - You MUST DO THIS PROJECT!!!

If you build it, they will come (and race you). A Zuk 500CC pinger would be MAD!!! and extremely unique!

Howdy
01-24-2007, 08:47 PM
As we've seen in the past people can grudge match all weekend. Besides, if you have a scheduled event like drags people will get together on their own to work that out before and after the event.

I don't understand what the Drags will gain by eliminating grudge matches during the scheduled drags. By adding more and more classes I can see we are just catering the drags to a select few riders just for the possibility of a trophy.
I still believe we should cater more to the average user who wants to go out there and drag just for the fun of it. Grudge matches do bring out the riders and machines. It don't matter if your 5 years old or 85 years old you have and should have the ability to run at the drags. Remember it's a family event.

Kintore, I agree 100%.
Howdy

350Xhilaration
01-24-2007, 10:41 PM
I think I know where I'll be hanging out for the drags...somewhere else.

TF05 was a blast. I must have dragged 50 times that night on my stocker. Did I win anything...you bet...a head full of memories, bunch of pics and good BSing later on.

We're not doing brackets. If you're fast, prove it. If you're slow, pick another comparable slow guy to race in the grudge races and have fun.

I've been to "organized drags" around here with classes out the arse. Snowmobiles, quads, trikes, 4x4s...takes all day long and guys run 2 or 3 times.

I'm not driving 7 hours to waste it watching a bunch of guys that used to gather to have a good time nitpick at each other about classes and trivial crap.

I'll be hanging out and eating some ribs on the hill.

Just my thoughts...whether they're wanted or not.

max
01-25-2007, 12:00 PM
I think I know where I'll be hanging out for the drags...somewhere else.

TF05 was a blast. I must have dragged 50 times that night on my stocker. Did I win anything...you bet...a head full of memories, bunch of pics and good BSing later on.

We're not doing brackets. If you're fast, prove it. If you're slow, pick another comparable slow guy to race in the grudge races and have fun.

I've been to "organized drags" around here with classes out the arse. Snowmobiles, quads, trikes, 4x4s...takes all day long and guys run 2 or 3 times.

I'm not driving 7 hours to waste it watching a bunch of guys that used to gather to have a good time nitpick at each other about classes and trivial crap.

I'll be hanging out and eating some ribs on the hill.

Just my thoughts...whether they're wanted or not.


You just dont want to get beat by Dawn on her 200x.:drool: Ooosnap!!!

OldSchoolin86
01-25-2007, 02:03 PM
I don't understand what the Drags will gain by eliminating grudge matches during the scheduled drags. By adding more and more classes I can see we are just catering the drags to a select few riders just for the possibility of a trophy.
I still believe we should cater more to the average user who wants to go out there and drag just for the fun of it. Grudge matches do bring out the riders and machines. It don't matter if your 5 years old or 85 years old you have and should have the ability to run at the drags. Remember it's a family event.

Kintore, I agree 100%.
Howdy
You can't eliminate grudge matches, those will happen whether it's on some schedule or not. Not sure why we need to act like it wouldn't happen if we didn't make a specific time for it.

Also what's up with you guys bringing up trophies time after time? The only guy to bring up the need for trophies offered to pony up money to pay for them too. Hanging on this trophy topic makes me think you guys are totally missing the point. Although I must admit, it is kind of funny how hard the planning is geared to get a ton of trophies for one event and for the other it's some kind of taboo. There is some serious inconsistency going on here.

Josh, your plan sounds sweet and all but it's not exactly realistic. There's far more then 3 guys who think they're the top dog.

MIK6
01-25-2007, 02:31 PM
I will do anything I can do to help out w/ this event. In all the years at TF I have never taken a "RUN" down the strip w/ my trikes. They have been run but not by me. I like to watch the trikes go, I get enjoyment by seeing T3s, Rs, Zs and Xs (and customes) line up and run. This "what class" vs "what mods" is getting me down on the event.
TF is about getting together and having fun w/ friends that like trikes. Lets not forget about that.

12oz class winner
MIK6 / Mike

OldSchoolin86
01-25-2007, 02:59 PM
TF is about getting together and having fun w/ friends that like trikes. Lets not forget about that.

12oz class winner
MIK6 / MikeExactly Mike!

I just don't see why this event has to be catered to guys that dump a ton of money and/or wrench time into their machines. What's so bad about having a simple single elim bracket for average joe? I've heard people complain about it the last 2 years, it shouldn't be a secrete that people would enjoy the extra class.

I say if we still aren't going to have something for average joe, why even bother with 2 classes? Might as well just keep it one.

Kintore
01-25-2007, 04:12 PM
You can't eliminate grudge matches, those will happen whether it's on some schedule or not. Not sure why we need to act like it wouldn't happen if we didn't make a specific time for it.

Also what's up with you guys bringing up trophies time after time? The only guy to bring up the need for trophies offered to pony up money to pay for them too. Hanging on this trophy topic makes me think you guys are totally missing the point. Although I must admit, it is kind of funny how hard the planning is geared to get a ton of trophies for one event and for the other it's some kind of taboo. There is some serious inconsistency going on here.

Josh, your plan sounds sweet and all but it's not exactly realistic. There's far more then 3 guys who think they're the top dog.


Then why not top 5 or something?

Derrick Adams
01-25-2007, 06:44 PM
Here's a novel idea Frank. Why don't you put together your own event on Thursday with your own rules, and your own classes. Run it how you want, with whomever you want, and invite whomever you want. I'm sure people will come and race.

That way on Friday we can run this event, without having to deal with the headaches associated with all the classes, etc. and be done in a reasonable time.

OldSchoolin86
01-25-2007, 07:04 PM
Here's a novel idea Frank. Why don't you put together your own event on Thursday with your own rules, and your own classes. Run it how you want, with whomever you want, and invite whomever you want. I'm sure people will come and race.

That way on Friday we can run this event, without having to deal with the headaches associated with all the classes, etc. and be done in a reasonable time.
And once again the point is missed................:rolleyes:

Yamahondaman
01-25-2007, 07:25 PM
I'm with John and Mik6 ...... the Cooler ... IS C O L D !!!!! :beer
WIN OR LOOSE !!! :w00t:
HUMMM?? i think the "4-Inch" is a Thought ? .. Then a "45" Min. Switch-out goes on the 12" along with the .....N2o to GIT IT with them BIG BLOCK'S !! :D

dizasterzrfun69
01-25-2007, 08:07 PM
I'm with John and Mik6 ...... the Cooler ... IS C O L D !!!!! :beer
WIN OR LOOSE !!! :w00t:
HUMMM?? i think the "4-Inch" is a Thought ? .. Then a "45" Min. Switch-out goes on the 12" along with the .....N2o to GIT IT with them BIG BLOCK'S !! :D


keep the long swinger on, i gotta have some kinda chance at the general drags :D

SpeedBump
01-25-2007, 09:19 PM
Billy!!!! Pleaseeeee< Lock This Threadddddd!!!!!! Lol!!!!

Bryan Raffa
01-25-2007, 09:26 PM
Lock it???? Get rid of it all together, right along with the whole trophy deal..Going to put it simple,,,,, If your bikes fast enough your gonna make it to the finals!!!!! No matter what class your in!!!!!!! So everyone have fun raceing in the grudge races, I know I will be!

Derrick Adams
01-25-2007, 10:08 PM
Lock it???? Get rid of it all together, right along with the whole trophy deal..Going to put it simple,,,,, If your bikes fast enough your gonna make it to the finals!!!!! No matter what class your in!!!!!!! So everyone have fun raceing in the grudge races, I know I will be!


SWEET! Thats what i'm talking about. Good old grudge racing for bragging rights. Back to the basics!!

Billy Golightly
01-25-2007, 10:11 PM
Billy!!!! Pleaseeeee< Lock This Threadddddd!!!!!! Lol!!!!


I've already said what I think elsewhere.

400exguy
01-25-2007, 10:55 PM
Whos up for some good old two man team case races while the drags go on? The way I see it is, at the rate some of these guys wanna drag it out, it will take forever for the drags to finish, we could probably do two or three rounds. Maybe an elimination braket type thing?

madmanwithmouse
01-26-2007, 09:39 PM
I know what it is like to be picked on... I use to race a Polaris Scrambler in the local mud pits. Every year they would make up new rules just to limit me to a certain class. They actually let the 4x4s race in the 2wd class (with 4x4 off) but (because of me) they wouldnt let the 2wds run in the 4x4 class. Classes use to be 200-300, 300-400 etc.....and you ran your engine sizes class and could enter the classes bigger than you. Well, their new rule was.....(because of me) you had to go by what your engine size was on the sticker of your bike. So, My 378cc Scrambler could no longer race in the 300-400cc class because it says "Scrambler 400" on the plastic.

LOL, I rember the first year, he couldnt keep the front end down...had to use the wheele bar (that everone was laughing at)<--- :TrikesOwn Yep they where arses. . . All because of some ag tires! Not to mention that it wasn't a mud pit it was a hole with water in it . . . ohh wait there was a spoonfull of dirt in there :lol:

dividebyzero
01-28-2007, 09:46 PM
Here's a novel idea Frank. Why don't you put together your own event on Thursday with your own rules, and your own classes. Run it how you want, with whomever you want, and invite whomever you want. I'm sure people will come and race.

That way on Friday we can run this event, without having to deal with the headaches associated with all the classes, etc. and be done in a reasonable time.HAHA,that's a funny response.:rolleyes:
Here's another:
YEAH BABY OLDSCHOOLIN FOR PRESIDENT. FIGHTIN FOR THE AVERAGE GUY IN 07.
Another haha,now if i'm not mistaken,that's considered yelling.But nothing has been done about it or has it?:confused:
Can't wait til ohiofest 07!

OldSchoolin86
01-29-2007, 05:53 PM
First Id like to commend you for taking on the task of setting this up. We frequently are bombarded for requests that our tiny overworked staff should setup and operate additional events that tend to get more complicated every year. I appreciate teh fact that you are not an "armchair planner"!

Hey Tim, I saw this in another thread so I just wanted to remind you that I did offer to run the drag event for TF07. If your "tiny overworked staff" thinks that 3-4 classes is too much to handle I would still be more then happy to take this off your hands. Let me know if I can do my part, I know I've enjoyed doing it in the past.

The WI group up here is able and willing..............:beer

3leggeddog
01-29-2007, 09:16 PM
Can't wait til ohiofest 07![/QUOTE]



hahaha,now thats what i'm talking bout.

3leggeddog
01-29-2007, 09:27 PM
why not run it similar to last year?you run everybody in time trials.the fastest 10 guys go on to heads up.just like last year.it worked out well, was effective,and not too time consuming.breakingn it up into all these different classes is crazy.either you got the fastest bike at t.f.,or you don't,plain and simple.we could gather for the main drags early,run off the big dogs before the strip gets all rutted up,and then have grudge matches for the rest of the night.personally,about 1 hour of the drags and i'm bored.i like watchin the big boys.i suggested this somewhere else,but someone said the drags were already all figured out,so why is it still being drug around?i say keep it simple,help keep the arguments,and stress of the staff down.

Yamahondaman
01-29-2007, 09:29 PM
you "COLD" Guy's have one up there ??? AHH MAN...i gots to drive FURTHER ?:lol:

seadoo650
01-29-2007, 09:36 PM
about 1 hour of the drags and i'm bored.i like watchin the big boys.i suggested this somewhere else,but someone said the drags were already all figured out,so why is it still being drug around?i say keep it simple,help keep the arguments,and stress of the staff down.

Don't know why it's being drug out. Classes have been figured out. Detailed rules to be presented soon.

Yamahondaman
01-29-2007, 09:47 PM
Don't know why it's being drug out.
Prolly cause LOT'S of People like to Cause Conflict,Confusion,Envy,ETC.,Knowing on what "string's" to Pull to Keep the "Pesting" on Edge to see what "they" will Type Next ? it's the INTERNET ........... :w00t:

dizasterzrfun69
01-29-2007, 09:52 PM
Prolly cause LOT'S of People like to Cause Conflict,Confusion,Envy,ETC.,Knowing on what "string's" to Pull to Keep the "Pesting" on Edge to see what "they" will Type Next ? it's the INTERNET ........... :w00t:


nah that aint it, we are trying to make a thread bigger than raffas :lol: Really i kinda wanted classes but the more i think about it....lets do it like last year, or have the 2 classes like they are already planning on doing. I sure cant wait :w00t:

Yamahondaman
01-29-2007, 09:56 PM
nah that aint it, we are trying to make a thread bigger than raffas :lol: :
:lol: ....:lol: ......:lol: ......:lol: ...... I DUNNO ??? you know he's a :postwhore .:lol:

3leggeddog
01-29-2007, 10:08 PM
Prolly cause LOT'S of People like to Cause Conflict,Confusion,Envy,ETC.,Knowing on what "string's" to Pull to Keep the "Pesting" on Edge to see what "they" will Type Next ? it's the INTERNET ........... :w00t:



ahh,the wisdom of the bug man shines new light on the subject,lol.the only string i like pullin is the ol ladys tampon string....pop goes the plug....yummmy

seadoo650
01-29-2007, 10:11 PM
ahh,the wisdom of the bug man shines new light on the subject,lol.the only string i like pullin is the ol ladys tampon string....pop goes the plug....yummmy

Boy....You ain't right.

Bryan Raffa
01-29-2007, 10:14 PM
Boy....You ain't right.


I second that!! HEY i just got my 5th triz wait till that thred comes along!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

3leggeddog
01-29-2007, 10:20 PM
oh god,then we might aswell start a raffa collection.like episodes of the sapranos.volumes 1-5 available now.

erectordale
01-30-2007, 12:05 AM
ahh,the wisdom of the bug man shines new light on the subject,lol.the only string i like pullin is the ol ladys tampon string....pop goes the plug....yummmy



Brandon you got that wrong it goes POP GOES THE WEASEL ON A LEASH

TimSr
01-30-2007, 12:31 AM
Hey Tim, I saw this in another thread so I just wanted to remind you that I did offer to run the drag event for TF07. If your "tiny overworked staff" thinks that 3-4 classes is too much to handle I would still be more then happy to take this off your hands. Let me know if I can do my part, I know I've enjoyed doing it in the past.

The WI group up here is able and willing..............:beer

I really didnt want to go there in public, but since you cant seem to let it to, Im going to say it once:

I wasnt even supposed to run the drags last year. I was the emergency backup plan. After running what I though was an excellent drag last year, with the fastest guys actually winning without the aid of a rulebook and a lawyer, gratitude was shown by person after person lining up to piss and moan at me about how unfair it was and what an idiot I was because I did not design a class around each of their trikes. Rick and Dawn recognized how ticked and frustrated I was. They offered to take this mess off my hands for '07. This was, of course after volunteering for task after task all week to help out. The following day, I was running MX races and my scorer never showed up at the track. Dawn jumped in and bailed me out again. Rick and Dawn proved themselves to be dependable, reliable, and dedicated. I gladly turned these drag races for '07 over to them that weekend, but felt guilty because I knew theyd get nothing but grief for it.

You were part of the Trikefest planning group organized later. Things didnt go your way, and you wanted out. Yes, you "offered" to run the drags. I declined your offer, because somebody was already in charge. You left. Then you came out in the public forums, and started this thread. For what? All it has served to do is undermine everything these people have worked on. You lead people on the forums to believe they were setting up multiple classes, when no outline of any classes had been released by Dawn and Rick, and they got to take the heat for it.

I appreciate all you did to help out in 2005. You were a lifesaver. That is why I accepted your offer to help score the MX in 2006. You, sir, were that scorer that did not show up in 2006, while I was left standing in the rain with a bunch of racers and wet clipboard. Dawn with umbrella appeared and saved my bacon yet again, because YOU were not there.

You have not only proven yourself to be unreliable when things got tough, but this thread is proof that you are willing to undermine the efforts of those who are working to get things done, but not do things as you feel they should be done. Thats a poor way for a staffer to treat other staff. For those two reasons, you are not the man for this job. My personal opinion is to run nothing but fun open drags, and throw YOU the "serious" drags to do on Thursday, because I dont think you are up to the task, and it would be justice to have all the chronic complainers yelling at you, and I really dont care if that event happens. Im so disgusted with some of the attitudes of "sportsmanship" displayed over this event in these forums that I dont care if we ever run another staged drag race or award another drag trophy again. The behaviors are something Id be embarassed for my kid to see, and Id end his racing if he ever displayed them. Rick and Dawn, however, must have spines of steel, because they have invested a lot of hard work in putting this together, and they wish to go forward with it, in spite of receiving all this "gratitude", and I WILL support them, because thats what this staff is supposed to do, and because its the right thing to do. Im not going to stand by and watch them get spit on. People had best started treating them with a little respect, and stop being argumentative for the sake of arguing. The classes are set. Thats the way it is. Get over it! You dont like it we can refund your entry fee. Honest questions are welcome. Badgering questions for the sake of arguing are not. The arguments are over. I doubt Dawn and Rick will want to do it again next year after all the complaining, so maybe you can be the big cheese in '08. Ill be the first person to vote it into your hands. In the mean time, for '07, we have a Drag Race committee that you chose to vacate. We have responsible and reliable people in charge. Either support them, or just shut up and let them do their job.

This thread no longer serves any purpose.