searching for dateline 3 wheeler ban video

[200xkwit]

ive been looking for a while for a video eiter by 60 minutes or dateline aboutthe ban when it went down and all that. i think it was on abc in 87 let me know if anyone ever foud out about this

[Orangecnty250r]

I have been looking for that for almost 4 years

[atctim]

me too - all I have managed to turn up is a Time magazine article on Time.com

[blue27]

I have a friend who was in the 60 minutes one, I would also like a copy. I refuse to watch 60 min. or Barbra Walters because of that!!!!

[atctim]

I have a friend who was in the 60 minutes one, I would also like a copy. I refuse to watch 60 min. or Barbra Walters because of that!!!!

I'll gladley pay for a copy of that.....can you see if he will dub it?

[200xkwit]

a while back i remember emailing someone about the video and they basicly told me that it would cost me... if i come across that senerio again i figure that we all might chip in for the original and have copies made .. with permission of course... anyway does anyone remembe the exact title or head line inwhich it was played? lets start emailing and calling and get a copy of this video. i think i vagly remember some guy on here that told me that he had actually bought a copy from abc or sumthing but he was in the process of moving or sumting and it was all packed away? ill have to start looking through old files and see what i can come up with ive got a itch to try and find this footage agian for some reason

[200xkwit]

Alright ive been diggin a little an found out a few things that might b helpful. the episode was aired on 4/12/87 on cbs. the episode was entitled "The most dangerous vehicle" it was aired on the show 60 minutes. ive just spent the last hour emailing every single cbs/ cbs new /cbs tv website that i could find. ill get on the phone with someone tomorrow and see what i can scrounge up.

[oldsking86]

geez.. It was nearly the first all terrain vehicle so of course it's going to get allllll the blame! I'm interested in seeing this episode, hopefully you get good news on it soon enough

haha that 250r lost the light shroud, he might of crashed it a couple times already

[JasonB]

haha that 250r lost the light shroud, he might of crashed it a couple times already


:lol: thats funny right there!


I definetly want to see this video, I love me some 3 wheeler bashing :D

[200xkwit]

alright i got an email back from one oif the cbs places i emailed ands they gave me some guys email adress and told me to ask him. so i emaild him and i got a auto responce email back say that my email would be read and responded too in 5-10 busness days to while see what happends

[Chevy200s]

cool I would be interested in seeing this as well.

on a side note, 200xkwit were are you in rochester? always cool to find another local triker.

[Mrs.Mosh]

Can't find the video, but here is a link to buy some of the stories:

click here (http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=60+minutes+and+1987+and+the+most+d angerous+vehicle&scoring=t&hl=en&um=1&sa=N&cid=8535457226817967)

They are like $1.95 - $3.50 each. Just a copy of the newspaper article, but could be interesting.

[honda_atc200es]

im near rochester, im in ulster county myself

[Dammit!]

Just a warning to all of you who never saw it. You will be PISSED when it's over.

[Mosh]

I did see it.But I was 12 or 13 and was not into atv's yet.But I distinctly remember them talking about it and showing video footage of guys riding in the dunes and flipping them over.
I would really like to see it again.
I bet it is one of them vault locked videos they will never release due to all kinds of phone calls and emails of threats from disgruntled atv people.

Just a side thought.
Has anyone tried going to like limewire or something and doing a search?
Maybe someone has it up on there and could be downloaded.I personally dont have any sharing sites I am a member of.

[TwoHundredEx]

I did see it.But I was 12 or 13 and was not into atv's yet.But I distinctly remember them talking about it and showing video footage of guys riding in the dunes and flipping them over.
I would really like to see it again.
I bet it is one of them vault locked videos they will never release due to all kinds of phone calls and emails of threats from disgruntled atv people.

Just a side thought.
Has anyone tried going to like limewire or something and doing a search?
Maybe someone has it up on there and could be downloaded.I personally dont have any sharing sites I am a member of.

I haven't tried limewire, but I've tried a few torrent sites and came up with nothing.
Not even anything trike related.

[200xkwit]

well i didnt have any time to get on the phone with anyone yet. tomorrow im heading out to a mud fest with the kx125 all day so i wont be around. but ill be speaking with someone asap. ive tryd looking for this footage 3 seperate times and with no luck.. im a little more motivated this time ... personal goal thing and i know alot of aother people would like ...."copies" too. this video was aired about 5 months before i was born in 87 so it kinda makes it a little more interesting for me i guess.. idk o and im located in gates .. right around lyle ave more twards spencerport there guy.. we should hook up and go riding some time.

[Bryan Raffa]

lyle ave.. down where the girls stand on the corner? LMAO! Im 30 min south of you! I have been working out in brockport,clarkson, holly, area

[200xkwit]

lol yea theve been cracking down on them tho theres not as many anymore :lol: hit me up for a ride group when you guys go out eh? im trike less right now besides my 200x project but i got a kx125 ill go to hell on any day let me kno

[Chevy200s]

dude, I live in spencerport! Well actually Parma right down the road. I agree, we should go riding sometime. Kinda wish I knew this before, a few of us are gonna ride today at 12 along the tracks and a few farms were we have permission. But yeah definlty up for a group ride sometime now that I know theres a few more trikers in the area.

Gotta love the lyle ave girls :lol:

[200xkwit]

got an email back today about the video.. they wanted to know waht the video would be used for and all that. so this is a good sign.. but it looks like im in for another 3-5 day wait for another response.:w00t:

[dizasterzrfun69]

they wanted to know waht the video would be used for and all that. :lol: :lol: i dont know why but that is extremely funny to me.

[atctim]

got an email back today about the video.. they wanted to know waht the video would be used for and all that. so this is a good sign.. but it looks like im in for another 3-5 day wait for another response.:w00t:

Out of curiosity - what did you tell them the video would be used for?

[Nightbiker07]

ugh Dammit.....these idiots need punched in the head. :TrikesOwn

[200xkwit]

who needs to be punched in the head?.... anyway i told them that i was a 3 wheeler entusiest and collector and that i would like this video for my personal collection and viewing.. whell see what i get back

[Nightbiker07]

who needs to be punched in the head?.....


the idiots that Banned the Beloved Trikes and people that think they are "dangerous". Punched right in the forehead with some big beefy brass knuckles.

i mean...sure people got hurt on them.
but how often do you hear about people getting seriously hurt on trikes now that the n00b beginning riders are not getting them?

[3Wheelers4Life]

so, did anyone get the video, pictures, or a response, some info or any at all, or at least an update on whats going on?

[84honda200s]

lyle ave.. down where the girls stand on the corner? LMAO! Im 30 min south of you! I have been working out in brockport,clarkson, holly, area

im in springville (about 20 miles south of buffalo) not too many of us down here that ride trikes.





im checking limewire now and i aint finding jack.

[Orangecnty250r]

This video seems to be the holy grail of 3 wheeling video

[cr480r]

I would sure like to see this video... It sure left an impression on my mother... she cannot stand me riding 3-wheelers...

[Aka_am]

Where is the video, I can't wait too see it, as i never have..

[VenomRS4]

So whats the update? Has anyone found it yet?

[SPD FRK]

I found something with the same title on Limewire but there were no sources so it made no progress. I use too much bandwidth for gaming to sit and wait for it but it's on there.

[3Wheelers4Life]

bump... anyone found it yet? any updates? i want to see it.

[pickleweasel_00]

I just downloaded it off of Limewire but it is an mpeg video file so my computer won't play it. How do you play these files or is it possible to convert them? But coming off of limewire, hard to tell what it is... I searched "dateline 3 wheeler ban"

[WLL]

i looked but no luck. i hope i get to see it

[3Wheelers4Life]

try searching "60 minutes 3wheeler ban" on lw. i did that and it got a couple. if it tells you to download the thing to convert the file in windows media player, DONT IT CONTAINTS A VIRUS

[Russell 350X]

I would love to see this, did anyone try youtube?

[Russell 350X]

Ok, nevermind, youtube does not have it either.

[250rfreak]

i want to see it too

[factoryX]

I found this site and thought it was wierd that most people did not want to ban three wheelers and that most wanted a installed key or govenor to slow the bike down, also most parents wanted better sizes for the older children, like a 15 year old who has been riding since 6 is only legal to ride 90cc? and that he was so big it was just as tippy?

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOIA07/pubcom/atv2006_1.pdf

[Gag_Halfront]

I just downloaded it off of Limewire but it is an mpeg video file so my computer won't play it. How do you play these files or is it possible to convert them? But coming off of limewire, hard to tell what it is... I searched "dateline 3 wheeler ban"

Most media players will play mpeg. I would have thought you could just do the old "open with" thing and feed it into WMP. If WMP won't play it, try real. If that doesn't work, see if there's a firefox plug-in or something. Or if you'd like, post it up and see if somebody else can convert it into .wmv for you.

Heck, post it to youtube and let their site convert it. :-D

[Macs]

Someone needs to figure it out and post it. I cant get LW on my work computer. I know someone has nothing else to do on a saturday.

[BigTBones]

Damn I want to see this!

[jaykup]

Limewire is a waste of time for this. There is no video (that I could find) on Limewire. Everything listed on there are just fakes generated from search results.

I hope someone can prove me wrong, and contact me so I can help distribute it, but I have a feeling that won't happen.

This was my failed attempt at obtaining the video from CBS.

Email I tried was "CBG Audiences <audsvcs@cbs.com>" listed on their site as a way to contact CBS about obtaining video tapes, transcripts, etc.


I am an ATV enthusiast, and would like to get a copy of a 60 minutes episode
called "The most dangerous vehicle" produced by David Gelber, and aired on April
12th, 1987. This is for my own personal collection.

I could not find a copy of this on Amazon.com or in the CBSnews store.

Please email me back and let me know how I can purchase this video.

Thanks

response...




Thanks for writing to CBS. Unfortunately, because of copyright issues,
the particular segment in which you are interested is not available on
videotape.

Thank you again for writing to CBS.

Cordially,

Ray Faiola
Director,
Audience Services

I really hope someone stumbles across this, and has it on an old VHS, or maybe a contact with CBS, or was successful in downloading it from the net.

[Tri-ZNate]

I really hope someone stumbles across this, and has it on an old VHS, or maybe a contact with CBS, or was successful in downloading it from the net.

ChrisD I believe has a copy. We watched it up to raffa's, very intriguing to watch.

[Russell 350X]

ChrisD I believe has a copy. We watched it up to raffa's, very intriguing to watch.

It was pretty interesting, people are so dumb. They acutally had hillbilly actors being stupid on trikes, drinking beer with no riding gear, to make them look bad. It deffinetly irrritated me. Just goes to show how dumb people are.

[atctim]

is there any way we can get some copies of this in circulation. I MUST HAVE ONE!!!!!

[jaykup]

I contacted ChrisD for a copy, if I can get a VHS of it, I can get it on the computer.

[atctim]

I would like it on DVD - jaykup can you make this happen?

[Macs]

Please someone share. This thread has been around for awhile. Surely someone can help us out.

[jaykup]

I would like it on DVD - jaykup can you make this happen?

Absolutely, once I get a copy, and get it on my computer (any media source will work, VHS, Beta, etc) I can burn it to DVD, make it available for direct download (play it your computer), post it on YouTube (if you enjoy low quality), etc.

Hopefully ChrisD, or someone else that has a copy of this, can contact me and send me a copy.

[jasonb01]

Anyone ever get their hands on this video?

[trikes4life]

Yeah i love to see this, I know this is an old thread any update.

[Eric250R]

Someone here has it because I traded them an old blackwater vid for it. I'll have my new computer next week and I'll be able to burn a copy of it. someone just remind me.

[inv3ctiv3]

If someone has this in whatever format I can convert it or capture it (VHS, Beta SP, HD Cam, Digi beta, High 8, Super, etc). Just send me the tape, I'll capture it and send it back, or you can upload it onto my server if you already have it on your computer.

[yooperman]

ny new up dates yet on te video i would really like to get a copy of that vid

[whyzee]

i do remember my parents making me watch it and they were flipping them on asphalt ( from what I remember )

[200xkwit]

Hey guys I did end up getting a copy of this. Itgs only about 20 min long with no comercials. I can send you guys one when I get home in 3 months I'm at a base in oklahoma and I'm headed to missori soon so I won't be ablew to hook u guys up till mid june

[sittinguy]

I was young when this happened, we thought they were going to come take our 3 wheelers :)

I want to see the vid!!

[sittinguy]

Here's one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLiAH20vww

[Bryan Raffa]

I have Both copys VHS and DVD.. I should send Billy one and get it up on the site permanently.

[84atc200]

it seems to me that there are alot of people crashing quads...but the quads are still around

[sittinguy]

Please post it, PLEASE, I need it bad

[Billy Golightly]

Raffa if you have it on DVD, mail it to me and we can work something out. I can't host it in the site directly because of copyright stuff but we can find a way to make it work.

[inv3ctiv3]

We could host it on upload, mediafire, etc. And I can do all the ripping/transcoding too if Billy is too busy or something.

[Billy Golightly]

If your experienced with it, it'd probably be better. I've done a little bit of that type of stuff before but not a lot. If a file upload site wont work, we could use a torrent as well.

[hoser]

If your experienced with it, it'd probably be better. I've done a little bit of that type of stuff before but not a lot. If a file upload site wont work, we could use a torrent as well.

If someone makes a torrent let me know I can seed it for a while... 1.7kbs uploads :-)

[tulsamike3434]

Thanks for the clip!

[MudBug]

going to be very interesting to watch, only being born in 93 :lol: I sure hope someone can get it up. would be a great addition to the site im sure!

[inv3ctiv3]

If your experienced with it, it'd probably be better. I've done a little bit of that type of stuff before but not a lot. If a file upload site wont work, we could use a torrent as well.

I mean I do this all day for work, it'd be no problem for me to do this and I really wanna see it. So Raffa if you send it to me I promise to get it back right away and return it just as you gave it to me. PM me so we can work out the details.

[NINJA]

You guys are getting my hopes up again. I sure hope this happens this time.

[posty2100]

found this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1I5DweHlnQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBNeIdl3zM

[jaykup]

found this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1I5DweHlnQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgBNeIdl3zM

haha damn your fast. I was waiting for them to finish processing.

http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthread.php?110985-The-Most-Dangerous-Vehicle-04-12-1987-(3-Wheeler-Ban-Video)&p=852503

[HondaHarry]

ugh that video makes me i'll, obviously very one sided. Now I have an idea of what trike fans felt like back then. they had just seen the writing on the wall.
Sad day in history for sure. HH

[NINJA]

This has inspired me to put a big black skull and crossbones right on the top of my tank. Thanks for sharing that upload. I haven't seen that since I was a kid.

[jrwebb8324]

First time i have ever seen that video. Looks like a big case of bad parenting, and a bunch of suits who have never rode a wheeler running their mouth about something they have no idea about.

[riverrat]

Did anyone notice the numbers and how they conflict? First they say that during the atc's average life span of 7 years, that you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting serious injury or death.
So they sold 2.5million of them, that means that there was 833,333 serious injuries or death between 1979 and 1986. Is that true, or just a lie?
I've been riding for about 30 years, and yet to have a serious injury, I must be a trike god or something. Not saying there isn't a risk.
What about the comment by that stupid family-"we were told atv riding is 100% safe?!?!" What person in their right mind would think that ANY kind of off-road racing, or riding could be safe. Back in the 80's when I started riding (and way before that on dirt-bikes) no-one had to tell me that it was a risk to ride off-road. No-one had to tell me to be careful, and learn slowly. These people are all just stupid, and probably only a very very small percentage of injuries could be blamed on the design of the trike. A risk just like anything else in life, like crossing the street.
Truth is, more people get injured by dog bites every week than people on 3 wheelers in a year. Guns and alcohol are far more dangerous, and many other things as well, yet all those things are not banned.
The surveys were not unbiased, and included people who were not riding correctly. They even mention it a bit in the video. It amazes me what lawsuits and these screaming liberals do to take away our freedoms.

[fabiodriven]

Was part two removed?

[riverrat]

I watched it this morning, more than one person had it.

[TrailerRider]

Did anyone notice the numbers and how they conflict? First they say that during the atc's average life span of 7 years, that you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting serious injury or death.
So they sold 2.5million of them, that means that there was 833,333 serious injuries or death between 1979 and 1986.

I would have never stopped to do the math (I hate math) but dam that made me laugh pretty good! So how many deaths/injuries is that per day? I have a number I calculated for 30 days but will wait to see how far off I am hahah. Also keep in mind currently (according to CPSC) 2521 reports of morbidy at the hands of a 3 wheeler.

[ChrisD]

the threewheeler was compared to the Pinto! come on show some respect.....give 'em the Corvair or something cool.

[riverrat]

I would have never stopped to do the math (I hate math) but dam that made me laugh pretty good! So how many deaths/injuries is that per day? I have a number I calculated for 30 days but will wait to see how far off I am hahah. Also keep in mind currently (according to CPSC) 2521 reports of morbidy at the hands of a 3 wheeler.

833,333 / (7*365)=326.15 deaths or serious injuries per day during those 7 years. Or 119,044 per year. According to a cpsc study done in 1985.

At around 3.25 into part one, he then claims that the 1985 cpsc study states that in 1985 there were 22,000 roll over incidents on 3 wheelers (not stating the injury, which I am sure most of them were not serious) So we go from 119,044 serious injury or death accidents per year, to 22,000 roll over incidents per year. Conflicting numbers.

The guy who's kid died says he rushed him to the hospital in his pick-up truck 10 minutes away. As we all know, what should you not do to a victim after a head or neck injury??? He may have well killed his own son by moving him.

Then the setup to demonstrate how an atc can roll over is curious also. I am wondering if the tires were properly inflated to 2 pounds, or were they over inflated. The reporter also reports that you have to "shift your weight to compensate" Well no f***in duh!

Ok so then they compare atc's to airline accidents. It's no secret that statistically speaking airline travel is the safest form of travel there is. Also why is he mentioning 1%?? Is that the true number of accidents on 3 wheelers??? 1% is such a big concern? Just about everything you do in life could yield a 1% chance of accident or death, including getting in and out of your own bath tub.

Then at 5:18 into part one, he says that 1in20 atv's were involved in an accident that year. Another conflicting number. If there was 2.5million atc's sold to that date, then that means 125,000 accidents that year.

18 seconds later they show a girl in the ER and say that she is one of 1600 riders injured each week. But I am sorry, 125,000/52 weeks =24,038 per week. More conflicting numbers.

Then there is all the data they used to determine if it was the machines fault, or the riders fault. The cpsc says it's the machine and the leader of the atv industry says it is mostly the rider. But when I read the actual accident reports, I see mostly rider error.

The only things I find true about this report are:
1. ATC's ATV's and dirt bikes are indeed difficult to ride.
2. Honda did falsely market the vehicles as being safe and not difficult to ride.
3. People do get hurt on them, but no where near the numbers claimed, and with proper training and riding equipment this number could be greatly reduced.

Stay tuned as I analyze part 2 later.

[TrailerRider]

833,333 / (7*365)=326.15 deaths or serious injuries per day during those 7 years. Or 119,044 per year. According to a cpsc study done in 1985.

At around 3.25 into part one, he then claims that the 1985 cpsc study states that in 1985 there were 22,000 roll over incidents on 3 wheelers (not stating the injury, which I am sure most of them were not serious) So we go from 119,044 serious injury or death accidents per year, to 22,000 roll over incidents per year. Conflicting numbers.

The guy who's kid died says he rushed him to the hospital in his pick-up truck 10 minutes away. As we all know, what should you not do to a victim after a head or neck injury??? He may have well killed his own son by moving him.

Then the setup to demonstrate how an atc can roll over is curious also. I am wondering if the tires were properly inflated to 2 pounds, or were they over inflated. The reporter also reports that you have to "shift your weight to compensate" Well no f***in duh!

Ok so then they compare atc's to airline accidents. It's no secret that statistically speaking airline travel is the safest form of travel there is. Also why is he mentioning 1%?? Is that the true number of accidents on 3 wheelers??? 1% is such a big concern? Just about everything you do in life could yield a 1% chance of accident or death, including getting in and out of your own bath tub.

Then at 5:18 into part one, he says that 1in20 atv's were involved in an accident that year. Another conflicting number. If there was 2.5million atc's sold to that date, then that means 125,000 accidents that year.

18 seconds later they show a girl in the ER and say that she is one of 1600 riders injured each week. But I am sorry, 125,000/52 weeks =24,038 per week. More conflicting numbers.

Then there is all the data they used to determine if it was the machines fault, or the riders fault. The cpsc says it's the machine and the leader of the atv industry says it is mostly the rider. But when I read the actual accident reports, I see mostly rider error.

The only things I find true about this report are:
1. ATC's ATV's and dirt bikes are indeed difficult to ride.
2. Honda did falsely market the vehicles as being safe and not difficult to ride.
3. People do get hurt on them, but no where near the numbers claimed, and with proper training and riding equipment this number could be greatly reduced.

Stay tuned as I analyze part 2 later.


Dam! that was a smack down! Cool! :beer Now I can't wait for the part 2 to be analyed.

[riverrat]

Ok part 2.

First thing I notice which is starting to annoy me is the confusion between atc, and atv.

I'll agree with the fact that kids should not be riding adult vehicles. But comparing the atv to the Ford Pinto is not a viable comparison at all. Ford Pintos are not recreation vehicles, most cars are used to get places, and are pretty much a necessity. Safety would be a bigger concern. again, I will revert to my comparison of 3 wheelers, and guns. Guns are still around, as are tanning beds which cause skin cancer. If the danger is known, then it's up to the user. If the stupid judges and lawyers of this nation stop handing out big settlements for known risks, maybe this country would be a better place. They make themselves out to be victims, but we are the victims, as our freedoms get stripped away from us.

The lady complains about her son getting a ruptured pancreas, but how many times have similar injuries happen on dirt bikes? Crotch rockets? They're all legal!
She's also a complete idiot for believing the sales person. Also a liar, as there is no way should could not have known about the danger, or at least heard it from one person. For the life of me, I just could not picture anyone that stupid, or so in the dark that they wouldn't know about the dangers of riding any off-road vehicle.

I will agree that dealers, or sales people should not be lying about statistics, or telling us it is perfectly safe just to make a sale. But this whole report was nothing more than a big sale for the reporters, and news program involved. How much money was made from commercials during that false report? These reporters are just as guilty as the sales people, and are hypocrites.

Now if the dealers were irresponsible enough, and the parents gullible enough to let there kids ride, when they shouldn't have, then that is just more proof that it is human error, and not machine error.

Kids sports. 3.5 million kids (14 and under) get injured each year playing sports (out of 30million kids playing). Now those are some staggering numbers. Clearly now, we need to ban sports.

In Ottawa alone, in 2002, 388 pedestrians were hit by cars, 7 died. We should ban walking.

Let's not even talk about smoking, or drinking and how much injury and death that has caused.

I'm sorry, but I find no good reason to ban 3 wheelers. It was all somebody's pet project. Probably one of those stuffy old farts in the video who hasn't had sex in a millennium and hates to see others having fun. Some retard sitting behind a desk did some sketchy research and came up with those numbers.

ATC training -good
Warning labels- good
Strict regulations on dealers -good
Public awareness -good
kid sized machines -good
ban-bad.....anti-American

Live Free, and ride things with 3 wheels!!

[riverrat]

I just also want to clarify that these things I agree with in the video should be for ALL off-road vehicles, not just 3 wheelers.

Also, there is a ban on youth atv's due to the lead battery in them, but as much as I searched, I could not find one incident of a youth being poisoned by a lead motorcycle battery, unless that child was working in, or living next to a battery smelting/recycling plant in India or something. Plus how many of the youths that ride atv's actually work on them? Proably the chances of getting lead poisoning from a youth atv is 0.000000001% yet they banned them.

Why don't youth atv manufactures just use a gang of ni-cad, or ni-mh batteries instead? If lead was such a concern.

[crashcbr900rr]

I cannot even put into words how much that video and the youth bike ban piss me off. In the video they show the slow motion video of the guy flipping the trike. I can make a friggin Corvette do the same thing if I plan the speed, the size of the bumps and the distance the bumps are apart. That was a rediculous demonstration meant to lead people that are too stupid to think for them selves into thinking that ATCs are killing people. And as for the youth bike ban...I always see little kids chewing on spark plugs, valve stems and battery terminals. MMMM....tasty!!

[codynewman]

here is part 1 of the 60 seconds video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1I5DweHlnQ& here is part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbptQDcLo-E ............ it will piss you off