TeamGeek6
02-07-2008, 01:01 PM
Some of you are working on designing and building things and might think about Patents or Copyrights. If you have any thoughts of going to manufacture or sales on your item, this is important because:
1.) It's illegal to make, sell, or USE something that's already Patented unless you own it or pay for it, and a bad idea to sink money into something that someone else already owns-they can take it from you. The idea posted on this Board that its OK to make one for your own use is FALSE.
2.) Public sale or "disclosure"(telling the Public about it) eliminates any right to getting a Patent later.
Patents are an ugly and very expensive game. Its about $8,000 - 15,000 to have a Patent Attorney write and file a Patent application. Just finding a decent, honest attorney is a nightmare. I've fired several for trying to cheat me and spent a YEAR finding a good one.
Most of the cost of a Patent is spent in the Attorney taking a pile of notes and drawings that aren't in any form that's legible, and re-writing it into a "Specification." The other part is making Patent Drawings.
Getting a Patent is tough enough and definitely NOT something to try without an Attorney! But- getting from where you are now to finding an Attorney is where most of the frustration and cost is.
I've been researching Patents and Copyrights since 1985 and have filed my own Patent and Copyright applications (and received Patents and Copyrights that I filed). Copyrights arent nearly as difficult or expensive to get.
I just wrote a Specification and did Drawings on a Patent and that cut the fees from roughly $10,000 - $15,000 down to around $3000.
If any of you are thinking about a Patent or Copyright for something you are working on and want help, contact me. Im NOT an Attorney and cannot officially give you paid legal advice, but I know Patent Law like the back of my hand and am an expert at "technical writing" to put what you have in a form that an Attorney can work with. Handing an Attorney a Specification and drawings can save thousands of dollars on fees. Ive done it.
I am NOT offering an "Invention Disclosure" service, those are mostly thieves. DONT talk with those people, the simple act of "disclosing it to industry" prevents you from getting a Patent, and that's what "IDS" companies want-they steal it from you and sell it to their Corporate buddies. I had a friend in Ohio that went through one of these companies, spent everything he had getting a Patent on a ceiling fan air freshener and saw it in Lowes a few WEEKS later. Theres only one way they could have gotten it that fast.
What I can do for you is technical writing (writing your invention up in a form an Engineer can understand- Patent Attorneys and Patent Examiners are engineers) and do the Patent Drawings (not just CAD work- CAD drawings are NOT Patent Drawings, and the Patent Office WILL NOT accept CAD files). Then I can hook you up with an Attorney and help you keep them honest. I know all the games....
Heres a free tip: the latest game in Patents is to hire Patent Drawings done in India (an Attorney admitted to me that he got a phone call to have this done for him) where labor is cheap. Also- the drawings can be stolen, and you cant do a thing about it- they are 10,000 miles away! Once they have your drawings, its just an E-mail to China to have it made, then dumped on the shores in California. Thats why I do my own.
I also have electrical and mechanical engineering services available.
PS just for fun, look at the Google ads at the top of the page, can you tell which ones are "INventors services" and which ones are real Patent Attorneys? I can in 30 seconds.
Email: GL1200harness@yahoo.com
1.) It's illegal to make, sell, or USE something that's already Patented unless you own it or pay for it, and a bad idea to sink money into something that someone else already owns-they can take it from you. The idea posted on this Board that its OK to make one for your own use is FALSE.
2.) Public sale or "disclosure"(telling the Public about it) eliminates any right to getting a Patent later.
Patents are an ugly and very expensive game. Its about $8,000 - 15,000 to have a Patent Attorney write and file a Patent application. Just finding a decent, honest attorney is a nightmare. I've fired several for trying to cheat me and spent a YEAR finding a good one.
Most of the cost of a Patent is spent in the Attorney taking a pile of notes and drawings that aren't in any form that's legible, and re-writing it into a "Specification." The other part is making Patent Drawings.
Getting a Patent is tough enough and definitely NOT something to try without an Attorney! But- getting from where you are now to finding an Attorney is where most of the frustration and cost is.
I've been researching Patents and Copyrights since 1985 and have filed my own Patent and Copyright applications (and received Patents and Copyrights that I filed). Copyrights arent nearly as difficult or expensive to get.
I just wrote a Specification and did Drawings on a Patent and that cut the fees from roughly $10,000 - $15,000 down to around $3000.
If any of you are thinking about a Patent or Copyright for something you are working on and want help, contact me. Im NOT an Attorney and cannot officially give you paid legal advice, but I know Patent Law like the back of my hand and am an expert at "technical writing" to put what you have in a form that an Attorney can work with. Handing an Attorney a Specification and drawings can save thousands of dollars on fees. Ive done it.
I am NOT offering an "Invention Disclosure" service, those are mostly thieves. DONT talk with those people, the simple act of "disclosing it to industry" prevents you from getting a Patent, and that's what "IDS" companies want-they steal it from you and sell it to their Corporate buddies. I had a friend in Ohio that went through one of these companies, spent everything he had getting a Patent on a ceiling fan air freshener and saw it in Lowes a few WEEKS later. Theres only one way they could have gotten it that fast.
What I can do for you is technical writing (writing your invention up in a form an Engineer can understand- Patent Attorneys and Patent Examiners are engineers) and do the Patent Drawings (not just CAD work- CAD drawings are NOT Patent Drawings, and the Patent Office WILL NOT accept CAD files). Then I can hook you up with an Attorney and help you keep them honest. I know all the games....
Heres a free tip: the latest game in Patents is to hire Patent Drawings done in India (an Attorney admitted to me that he got a phone call to have this done for him) where labor is cheap. Also- the drawings can be stolen, and you cant do a thing about it- they are 10,000 miles away! Once they have your drawings, its just an E-mail to China to have it made, then dumped on the shores in California. Thats why I do my own.
I also have electrical and mechanical engineering services available.
PS just for fun, look at the Google ads at the top of the page, can you tell which ones are "INventors services" and which ones are real Patent Attorneys? I can in 30 seconds.
Email: GL1200harness@yahoo.com