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Billy Golightly
06-22-2008, 09:13 PM
I've gotten some Pm's and talked with a few people at TF about my situation, but since I'm really having to thin stuff out I feel everyone should understand my reasons and thought process behind it. For starters, I'm not mad at anyone, anything, or the community or anything like that. I'm not getting out of trikes, not willingly at least (I'll get to that more in depth here in a bit).

Lets go back to the middle of 2005. I was 18 at the time. I met some guys that had built a MX track on a piece property in Suwannee County, but they had to walk away from it for what was purported at the time to be some issues with the land owner and obtaining proper zoning for the area. My parents own a large tract of land that Is where I live, and I have always thought and said that the place would make an awesome riding park just because of the varying terrain and the way the property is laid out...numerous people have said its the nicest piece of property in the county. I met these guys, we talked a bit and I showed them the place where I thought the track would be best suited...we worked out some more details, came up with some preliminary details and got our stuff together for our zoning hearing where we would find out if we would be granted the special exception for the property to build the track. I prepared relentlessly for about a month. Hours and hours everyday researching every bit of information I could that would be beneficial at the hearing, running over EVERY possible scenario in my head. Every scenario I ran through my head 4 layers deep. I put myself in their shoes and thought about the points, issues, and questions they would bring up. Then I thought through my own replies to those issues, then their counter reply, and yet another counter reply by me. Every question and issue that I was able to conceive and think of I ran through this process in my head. Every time I would come up with a POSSIBLE new issue or statement that could be made in offense of the application I made notes of it, and I kept running that *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* through my head over and over and over and OVER until there was literally NO question or issue that would be brought up that I had not already thought of and found an answer for.

I assembled booklets of roughly 150-200 pages of information for each one of the chair people on the board. These booklets contained information such as environmental studies of public riding facilities in other states concerning issues like ground erosion, wild life habits around the activity, plant and tree growth. I compiled sound and noise testing adjacent to residents of other motocross tracks and riding areas, compiled information on property value trends on land and property next to and adjacent to other motocross tracks and parks all around the state, a total of about 8 different tracks with at least 4-5 properties adjacent to each one of those parks. I put in aerial views of our property where the track was proposed to be, drew in adjoining and adjacent land owners properties so it would be easy for board members to understand the distance relationships to what we were planning and doing. Link: http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=48473

The zoning hearing that night was extremely intense. The outspoken neighbors against it numbered probably 20-25 total and were best described as “Moonbats”. These people were nuts, it wasn't just a case of NIMBY (Not in my back yard) but people that apparently believed with the long list of activities available for people to partake in this county (Like hanging out in the publix parking lot till 4:00AM on the weekends cause theres no where else to go) that a new venue of entertainment and economical prosperity for the area from tourism revenue was not welcome.

THANKFULLY, the zoning board seen through all of their idiocy and were able to thoughtfully and logically listen to both sides and form an educated opinion of the situation. There was however...a hitch. The sign posted at the property was required to have been there for 10 days before the hearing date. The date had been wrong on the sign and was not corrected before that 10 day period. This issue was however brought up and discussed at length during the hearing. It was determined that due to the all the “evidence” that had been provided both sides, there had been debate for both causes to open it and to deny it, that the requirements for a public meeting had been met and as such they took a vote on it that night. This made front page of our local newspaper, and thats when things started to REALLY heat up.


First we had this article: http://www.3wheelerworldforums.com/showthread.php?t=48845
And then the letters from the pissed off neighbors started showing up in our mailbox with all sorts of ridiculous claims and allegations. I have terrible parents, we're out to ruin everyones lives and destroy their hopes and dreams evidently. Another week went by and this article showed up in the newspaper: http://www.suwanneedemocrat.com/homepage/local_story_073162436.html a long with about a dozen “letters to the editor” in that issue that addressed our family personally and we were painted out by these letters to be “profiteers of death and injury” for trying to open a race track. Have a read at a few of em yourself here:



“1#
Dear,Editor:
This letter is in reference to special exception zoing change
made by zoning board on feb 23 on allowing a racetrack
and campground to go in business on parcels north of county.I am
an adjacent land owner and i was not properly notified by the county.
According to the land development regulations,the board of adjustment is
to give public notice thereof,as well as due notice to all the parties involved.

They did inform in writing to some of the land owners that were north
of this venture with a buffer of 40acres,but failed to inform was how i was
overlooked when the other land owners are onseven to 30acers and mine is
a 300 acre parcel.
Sincerely,Stacey Worth

2#
Dear Editor,
I am writing in regards to the special exception recently passed
allowing an ATV/Dirt bike race track in my nice,quiet,safe community near the river.
Our community is stunned.
Just two years ago our community made it clear how we felt about
race tracks in the area when we fought a similar zoning change.Now,
an exemption that will decimate the way of life
we've so carefully chosen and developed had slipped through.
The big question everyone had asked us is why we didn't do
something to stop it?We would have loved to.Regretfully,only select
adjoining neighbors were notified with limited details.The sign on the
property sits on the end of very narrow dirt road with multiple
bind turns that dead ends at river,only two families drive down there.
The sing even had the wrong date on it up untill 5 days before the meeting!
In the last two weeks two deaths have incurred in gainesville on atv/dirt bike race tracks.Who knows how many were injured.
Is the county planning to an ambulance available during daylight hours.
In my earlier life i race dirt bikes and from experience,I can tell you,
no one wants to live near an atv/dirt bike race track.
Don't let one 20-year-olds' dream override the drem overrider the dreams
of the surrounding community members we have worked so hard for.
We can never get back what we will lose if this track goes through
for the benefit of one.
Thank for your time,Brett deutsch

3#
Dear Editor:
The front page story about the Atv/dirt bike race track that was
approved by zoning board in the fort union neighborhood took
virtually everyone in that neighborhood by surprise.We believe
the track owner successfully hid her intentions from her
neighbors,knowing that the last time a track was proposed for our
area approximately 100 neighbors showed up to protest it.The
property is near the end of a dead end road,so virtually no
neighbors saw the zoning sign.
The plan calls for racing from 8am to 8pm seven days a week,with an
estimated 450 carloads each week.Within a half mile from the race track
are two churches,a cemetery, the suwannee river(along with the florida wilderness trail),and many homes.The road leading to the track is a small
dirt road on which children often ride bikes and horses.None of the people
associated with any of these interests,no any families on the road,were
notified,nor were they mentioned in the hearing.
The property owners presented pages of information I conside
misleading to the zoning board in which they made claims that
such tracks raised adjoining property values and attracted wildlife.
Although the information was purported to be from various web sites,
the web addresses had been removed from every page,
preventing anyone from finding the sources to check for veracity
or context.
The propert owner ststed that having a race track had been her son's
dream for 12years.What about the dreams of all the neighbors who
have wored a lifetime to save for their homes and retirement?
How many people do you know who are clamoring to
live next door to a race track?
We are asking the property owners and the county to do the
right thing,and have this matter brought up in full light rather than having
neighbors upset because their voice couldn't be heard becuase
they weren't notified.If they truly believed they were doing something for
the community,this is how it should have been done,and
how we expect good neighbors to do it.
Caroline Coile


4#
Dear, Editor,
My family recently moved to live oak (Fort Union area)from
fort lauderdale.Our desire was to escape the noise,pollution,
crowding and stress,whice are common down south.
Unfortunately,it appears our dream is to be short-lived.One of
our neghnors hads petitioned to put in a racetrack for 4wheelers
that will be open to the public.
This is not welcome change for our area.
As new comers, we tolerated the occasional appearance of 4wheelers.
The end result of their vists is trash strewn about and the unpaved road
(the only access to our home)being torn up by them doing"donuts" with their machines.
It is still to be determined if the letter of the law was met in the
notification process(I believe virtually no one was aware of this),
but it most certainly did not meet the spirit.
Suwannee County needs to grow but in a sensible and well
planned fashion,neither piecemeal nor catering to special intertests.
If this is any indication of what to expect from our zoning board,
it does not bode well for suwannee County's future.
Rocky Stewart

5#
Dear, Editor:
On thursday,Feb 23, the suwannee couty zoning board
conducted a meeting at the live oak city hall.On their agenda
was a proposal for a variance in land usage that was zone
agricultural.The proposal was allow the building of a motorcycle/
Atv race track.The 80-acre tract of land is located in northern portion of
suwannee county,north of CR 132, and very close to the Florida
Sheriffs youth ranch.A sizeable gathering of people were in
attendance supporting the proposed zoning change.A very small
group of local residents were present to contest the zoning change.
Approximately 10 minutes into the proceedings it became very
apparent to me that the zoning board had already made up
their mind grant the variance.
Testimony was given by the petitioner stating the construction
of the race track would have a positive impact upon suwannee
county.How surrounding land values would not be affected or
could even increase in value.Do you really think that after this
track becomes operational that anyone would go to real estate office
and ask if they had any land for sale next to noisy race track.
I think not!
Next,the board allowed those who were not in favor of the zoning
change to state their thoughts.The mainconcern of those opposed
to the zoning change was the loss of property value and the
environmental noise pollution.Board chairman tommie jefferson
seemed to be amused by the pleas asking that the zoning change
be refused.I realiszed that all the pleading were falling on deaf ears.
Most of the people in attendance who opposed the zone change
had not become aware of the scheduled board meeting untill the
afternoon of the meeting.It was pointed out by the board that all
legal requirements had been followed.A legal notice had been run in
the suwannee democrat,a sing had been posted on the effected
property site and a written notice had been sent to the effected
residents who lived within 300feet of the proposed race track.
What the board did not take into consideration was the fact that
property owners who live within several miles of the race track
will be adversely effected also.
It was requsted that out of common courtesy and fairness
the board postpone its vote on the iuess untill the local
residents who will be effected by the race track are contacted and
allowed to testify.Jefferson rejected this request,stating he felt
no futther testimony was needed.

The board voted unanimously to allow the zoning change.
One member of the board exused herself from th voting due
to posible conflict of interest.She stated she had family members
who lived in the effected area.
By allowing this zoning change,the zoning board has placed
one person's personal financial gains far above the peace
and tranquillity of hundreds of citizens of suwanne county who will
be adversely effected by the change.These people,including myself,
purchased property in a part of the county that is zoned agricultural.
They wanted peace and quiet.After the construction of the race track,
that will come to an end.The track will be open from 8am until 8pm
Now, half of our life will be spent listening to unmuffled motorcycles
and ATV's racing on the track.The peace and quiet of country living will
be no more.
After seeing this zoning change occur,I think it would be in the
best interest of all concerned,that the board of county commissioners
adopt and ordinance and require all real estate agencies who sell
land in suwannee county place the following notice on the
property listing:
"WARNING:Even though the property you are considering
buying is zoned agricultural,there is always the possibility that the
suwannee county zoning board could change the zoning classification
and allow someone to build a race track in your backyard."
Respectively,
Leon gill jr.

#6
Dear, Editor,
Please imagine 40 motorcycles all going full throttle
12hours per day seven days a week within hearing distance
of your backyard.Then imagine a camping facility next to the
racetrack to fill the night with displeasing music and partying with
alcohol allowed.This noise can be heard over two miles away.
These are the plans of one family in a rural community that
hads for years prided itself in the quiet and serenity that can
only be found in such a rual setting.
On february 23 the suwannee county zoning
board agreed with the one family.Not with the entire
community of residents and landowners who voiced their
objections in no uncertain terms.
What led the board to this decision?
The zoning board is instructed by the comprehensive
zoning rules to address the affect this racetrack will
have on public health,safety,welfare,order,comfort,
appearance,prosperity,access impact,taffic flow and control,
fire or castastrophe,compatibility with existing land use,noise,glare,
odor,dust,and smoke.
The board is further instructed that stisfactory provision and
arroangements have been made concerning the following
matters:
.The Exist Land use pattern
.The Impact on pubic roads
.The impact on living conditions in the neghborhood
.The impact upon traffic congestion or other public
safety matters
.The impact of the proposed use upon property values
.The impact of the proposed use with regard to the scale
of needs of the neighborhood or the community Again,
the neighborhood of over a 2-mile radius is anxious to
know why the board failed to address each and every one of
issues.
The decision the zoning board had given this proposed permit is,
if not illegal,at the very least morally reprehensible.
I beliveve that a full review by the elected ruling bodies of the
county be taken.If not that,then alegal appeal should
be pursued.
Charles Bartley “


Heres one that came in the mail to us too:

Dear Golightly family:

I, along with every single neighboir I've spoken to, am extremely dismayed that you have chosen to destroy our neighborhood.

We all want to enjoy our land. What gives you the right to put the selfish wants of one person above the goals of an entire neighborhood? I clearly hear your ATVs from my office with all the doors and windows shut as it is. You are certainly entitled to enjoy yourself on your own property, but when you instead choose to invite hundreds of people, for money, to race on your property, that is no longer being a considerate neighbor, but a greedy, selfish, horrible one.

You says your son has this dream for twelve years. What about everybody else? Dont' you think they've had dreams, and usually for longer then twelve years, dreams of earning enough money so they could buy their own property, dreams of finding that dream property to retire on? Don't you remember selling those very properties to neighbors who dreamed of finding peace and quiet and a safe place to retire or rase a family? Don't you think all of us have worked long hours to pay the mortgages on our properties, properties that you are ripping the value from? What has your son done to work for his dream? Ridden an ATV Around?

Yes, I say the misleading "Data" you included in your proposal. As a realtor, I hope you understand county appraisals better then that. You've surely seen the realt data that shows that, in fact, property values plummet when a track moves in an area I find it hard to beleive you have more peopel come to you asking for property that is next to a race track then you have people asking for property that is quiet and private.

I work long hours to pay the mortgage on my property; I feel you have stolen my property's value from me, and with that, my work and dreams. I am not the only neighbor who feels this way. Over the past week I seen adults break down in tears, heard countless stories of sleepless neighrs, and even more stories I wont repeat that make it clear you are the single most disliked family in the neighborhood.

We expect we will be forced to sell our property and move now; you have destroyed our dream and our finances. Do not bother to bring us any offers; we will not deal with you or with Poole Realy, nor will any of the neighbors we've spoken to.

I hope you know that your liability for your riders does not end at your gate. If they leave your property drunk or reckless and have an accident, you will be held liable. I dont think any of your neighbors will have to much sympathy if one of their family members is hurt or killed because of the traffic.


Sincerely,
Caroline Coile, Phd.


Nice, eh? Ooooohhhh but thats not all. Then the SIGNS started showing up on the road in “Tip of the week, don't defecate on your neighbors.” “The Golden rule, do unto others as you would have done unto you. The Golightly rule: Do unto others before they find out.”. And then a few weeks later there was another one that said “FU 2” on it with some other gibberish about contacting the county to get it closed down before we were even open.

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Billy Golightly
06-22-2008, 09:15 PM
Next months docket for the zoning board comes up, and its learned that an adjoining land owner is going to be suing the county over what she felt was improper notification of the hearing. The sign issue comes up again and thats her in. Suit is filed in April I believe it was, goes to circuit court and gets hung up there. County advises there is a possibility that the judge may revoke our permit, but they assure us the chances are low and that per their interpretation of the bi-laws they were not legally bound to notify land owners in the manor this lady was claiming she was suppose to be notified. We wait, over a year till March of 2007 waiting to hear anything. We finally decide to “fuck it” and do it. Partership agreement is signed with myself and 3 other guys to form “A M P X t r e m e, Inc.” AMP signs lease contract with my parents for 80 acres of property the special exception permit for the track is located on. Initially set for a low 5% of gross income to allow the business to establish itself and generate income. The lease was to be re-structured after 2 years to a new- agreeable lease fee.

During this time we also consulted an attorney about some asset-protection in the event of a lawsuit arising from the use of the property. We were suggested to put a large mortgage on the property close to its total value, which would make it more difficult to attach a judgment to if there were ever one awarded. We re-financed all of our other assets and converted it to the 80 acres property that the race track permit was on. This amount, at that time, was close, but not quite as high as the appraised real estate value. It was made clear to the business partners, that at the end of the 2 year initial term that lease price would be the same as the monthly payment on this mortgage for my parents so that they would not be losing money on it every month.

We started moving dirt in June of 07 and building the track after many months of additional planning, preparation, and land conditioning had been done. Our family makes several purchases that are a necessity for the business to operate with the understanding and promise that we would be paid back before anyone else made money and then later on that we would be paid in full by one partner in particular. So we expend some money, lots of it. We get the track built, have several pro quad riders come and test it out, tweak and make adjustments, get rave reviews.

We get things up and running and have our first race October 16th, 2007. MASSIVE success. Over 120 race entries, 500+ people easily on the property. Posts on racing and riding forums for weeks talking about this is the new best track in the state hands down. It was an AWESOME experience for me...seeing all the activity, the races, the people, the haulers, all on property that you've personally lived on and rode for almost your entire life...it was very surreal, like it wasn't REALLY happening...but it was.

During this time, I kept a bit of a “hands-off” approach...which was an absolutely disaster of a mistake on my part. I ended up being the one normally running the equipment grooming the track, watering it at midnight with a few other volunteer guys (Almost always other customers that just wanted to help out) in 40 degree pneumonia weather, and being a dumb ass flag man on the track because the business was to damn cheap to hire anyone to flag for more then $25 a day and we would ALWAYS be short on people, much less competent people. This was the beginning of when things started to go down hill. It started with the lack flagger quality, next was not wanting to shell out the money to have a paramedic on site during the busy practice weekends (Even though you'd pull in $10k in a weekend and clear 5-6k, $800 for a paramedic and ambulance on a Saturday practice was extravagant, apparently) then it was lack of help in maintaining the track, setting practice dates and hours at times where it was insanely impossible for me to get things groomed back in time, and just a general dis-regard of my opinion and ideas. Now, I'm not a dumb ass. I'm 21 years old, 20 then, and I realize that a lot of older guys have a serious issue working with anyone younger then them that might have different ideas regardless of the fact if their actually better or not, its just the general aurora of it that doesn't mesh well. My partners were all in their late 30s. And I knew this...so I let a lot of things slide because I wanted the thing to work, and I could to a certain extent, understand their hesitation on what seemed like no-brainer issues to me most of the time. Things progressively got worse, with the other partners NOT counting money on site after event weekends for all of us to note, and taking salaries and percentages off of income before my family was paid back for anything that was bought to help the company get into operation mode, much less actual lease payments for the property.

Things were getting bad near the end of 2007 and we (my family and I, since we owned the property and signed the lease with the company, which I was also a partner of) were threatening to pull the plug on the lease via a clause that had been written and installed by me regarding trikes. The clause stated, that the company may NOT have an insurance policy with an exclusion for 3wheeled ATVs in it anywhere, and if it did the lease would be terminated. This was my own self assurance that the company would actually TRY to let trikes be involved and that they wouldn't just hold a 3/1 vote over me and say they weren't messing with three-wheelers.

Well, there was an agreement made that the company would begin to make MONTHLY payments that were no longer percentage based in return for the removal of the trike clause which were to be the same as the amount as the mortgage payment on the property. This was of course, a verbal agreement on the payment schedule and was another ridiculous mistake of trust in people and their word. The trike clause came out and it was gone.

Relations between the partners and I continued to be rocky, but amiable during early 2008. Those between them and my parents were getting rough though and reached an all-time low when they decided to “exchange” a lease payment to instead pay the property taxes, which they were required to pay under the terms of the lease despite my intense insinuation and suggestion otherwise, I was out voted and had no say. My dad (that is 75 years old) was working MASSIVE hours in our personal shop fixing and repairing equipment and *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* that kept breaking that WASN”T EVEN OURS. They would borrow something from someone and it'd get tore up, and my dad would end up being the one that worked on it. They never paid him *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* for his time, but they were talking about and gonna vote on paying their wives to check people in during the race weekends. Between that, all of the above mentioned issues, and a general lack of what I felt was safety consciousness It was at this time I had enough of all of the bullshit and let everyone know this was the beginning of the end for this entire venture.

We obtained an attorney to find a way to sever the lease and didn't have anything good come out of that. The way the lease ended up being written and interpreted was that at the end of the 2 years THE COMPANY had option at their discretion to renew for an ADDITIONAL EIGHT YEARS for the same stupid ass 5% off gross PROFIT and not total income. This pretty much meant, that they could salarize themselves whatever they wanted and show whatever expenses they liked so that the company would not show a profit and would in turn not have to pay a DIME in lease money.

Shortly after this they apparently took some sort of a vote at a meeting that I was NOT notified about and deleted me off of the officer list, where I didn't have ANY say any longer. I still obtained a 25% share ownership in the company, but without being on the officer list I was not privy to any financial information or anything any more, and there was about ZERO chance of them paying us back for all the money we fronted to get the business up and going buying and getting all the *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* no one else would shell out the money for because they were to *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* cheap and just had us do it because we actually gave a *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* about getting stuff done.

We were no longer on speaking terms with the remaining members of the company...we were still exploring possibilities of canceling the lease, and our money was starting to run out because of the enormous amount we fronted for start up, and the fact there hadn't been *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* for lease payments made. Hell, the company MADE, MADE over 30k in just a few months and I myself even when I was still a partner got a whopping grand out of it for all the work I had in it. I put over a 1,000 hours on our bull dozer and WE paid for all the fuel, maintenance, and repair items are selves that was SUPPOSE to be reimbursed by the company but never was.

So we're still working out all of this *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* with our attorney and theres...when all of a sudden one day back in May we get a phone call from the county...”Well, your probably not going to like this, your case finally got into court today, and the judge ruled in her favor. The permit is going to be quashed and revoked be court order.” Talk about a shock...On one hand, it was a Godsend, because it got those mother fuckers off the property, the only half assed decent clause left in the lease said that if the permit was revoked, the lease would be terminated. On the other hand, here we are, stuck with all the expenditures we had to get the company up and going and operating, and the money put into the property, and theres no way for it to generate revenue anymore. We did EVERYTHING we were ever suppose to do, and more. It was the counties screw up. And you've got the *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* crazy moonbat neighbors that will make a nuclear war if you re-apply. Worst part is these people think they won because the track is closed now, bah.

So now we're stuck with an outlandish mortgage payment on the track property, no current potential to generate enough to make the payments to keep things going. The only satisfaction I get out of it is my former business partners, they thought they were on a gravy train with biscuit wheels going to be making 6 figures a year on our property, where we fronted the majority of the start up costs, got the permit for them to operate, and do it ALL without having to pay us *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* for it. And they were so cocky about it. Well, guess what, in an instant that gravy train disappeared.

So...at this point in time I'm trying to turn loose of a few things to continue to make payments on the property. I'm currently working towards obtaining a very high paying (and fairly high risk) job overseas that I have mentioned to some of you so that we can continue to make the payments. I don't really want to say a whole lot more about it at this point because I don't know for sure if I'm going...but I'm working on it thanks to another member here helping me out a ton with the process.

We also...might be trying to go ahead and re-apply for the zoning again on the property but thats very up in the air at the moment. My biggest concern is that there is no capital to invest into a new company to get the operation started and running again. I have a lot of the equipment still, but theres no cash for diesel fuel, insurances, etc. etc. Necessary elements to run the business. The idea is to perhaps get the permit again and find someone to lease the property from us for the same price as the mortgage payment, just so that it can be covered.

In the meantime, I'm having to thin out on some things, my things, to generate some revenue to keep things going until we can hopefully catch a break some time. So thats my status...I know its hella long, lots of words, but there was just so much stuff, the picture of the entire situation needed to painted full and completely for it to be appropriately understood.

TravEX
06-22-2008, 10:02 PM
It took alot of balls to do what you did. You deserve major props for trying it. Not many guys your age have a goal to build a business like that.

Everyone has their opinions, and they believe in their's just as much as you believe in your's.

We live in a very quiet, rural community, and to be honest, I don't know how I would really feel if there was a track going in next door.

Good luck to ya!

Travis

Eric250R
06-22-2008, 10:09 PM
I truly feel for you man. No easy way out of this. I just recently started my own business, and after watching my dad run businesses since I was born, I knew to do it by myself and myself alone. It sucks so bad that you can never trust anyone when it comes to money. But it's the way of the world. To pour your heart into something only to have someone else *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* it up for you. I really hope it works out for you and that they get what they have coming to them in the end..... Karma baby.

Russell 350X
06-22-2008, 11:30 PM
Holy cow man, I didnt relize things were going that shitty. Its sad to see that you put all that time and money into this and it gets ruined becuase people have to be pricks. Good luck with whatever you do Billy, I hope the best for ya.

mikeftlaud
06-23-2008, 12:13 AM
Damn, When it sucks,it sucks.... Sorry to hear about the hard times. I just closed my business due to all the headaches involved. That is why I sold the TIGER. I had it stored in my warehouse and just did not need it around anymore. I am going to aviation school and just need to thin some things out. Last night my transmission went out on my Silverado. Just what I need now. I am thinking about selling my 200R next. But the thought of selling my 250R that I put all that time and money into just would break my heart. I know it must have killed you to list your bikes on ebay. Hope all works out well.......Mike

J.D.
06-23-2008, 02:47 AM
Damnit Billy....we talked some about it but I didn't know it was that bad. Hopefully things will work out and you won't have to go overseas. Best of luck to you!

SYKO
06-23-2008, 08:46 AM
you know I got your back homeboy! I know what its like to sell out, I sold out and checked out! moved away and everything. You know all the crap in my life, it will get bad before it gets better, keep your chin up and lets go ride!

fla 2-stroke
06-23-2008, 09:47 AM
I have been to this property a couple of times.It is a great piece far from town.the people who are upset would not be bothered by the noise at all.some people have too much spare time.his parents are great people and respect the people that live near by.The big events are only a couple times a year.this track will help property values in the area.how would they like it if you wanted to start a hog farm with 1000 hogs.Im sure your zoning would allow that.I feel bad for billy.he has put a ton of money and work into this.we have no place to ride in fla,that is why there is so much illegal riding going on.like al said,I have your back and hang in there.

Brockey
06-23-2008, 10:41 AM
Billy you are a smart dude and will overcome this, and I hope all who were against you become crack heads and lose everything. It is too bad you and your family got treated dirty like that when ye were only trying to do something good for everyone. All I got to say is I dont have much to offer and I live on the other side of the world almost, but if there was anything I could do too help I would.

UlsterATCFan
06-23-2008, 10:58 AM
Sorry to hear about your troubles Billy - although its been bloody tough you've learned a thing or 2 out of this and next time you'll nail it. Hope things get better soon and this hasn't put you off, don't let the b*stards get you down. All the best from Northern Ireland

scooterroo
06-23-2008, 11:34 AM
have you ever thought of maybe trying to raise funds by holding some sort of charity event, get sponsership and stuff, and put acrioss the point that it just might be something good to the community by bringing traffic thru. meaning maybe just maybe the people using the facility would help generate some cash flow back to the community, i.e getting gas at local gas stations, using area fast food resturants and such, getting groceries at the local markets for their camping stay, o rif not the camoing type, getting a room at local hotels and motels, etc. theres always got to be a thorn in everyones side when it comes to business and needs to piss in other people korn flakes just to ruin ones day so it makes them feel better. what about starting a petition of some sort in favor of such the park you wanna build? if theres anyways i can help out, please feel free to ask. being a rider in new york, its next to impossible here in the eastern part of the state to start something like that, and the ones that are open are few far and inbetween. our state even makes us pay taxes when purchasing any atv, wether used or new, makes us register them and insure them, steals the funds they collect thru all this and we still have no state wide trail system, or riding parks. i ride in florida when down on vacation with my son, and we make weekend trips of the whole deal. rv, bikes, grill, etc... and there are few parks that allow this down there, would be nice to see more parks like this. keep your head up man, dont give in.

Tri-Z 250
06-23-2008, 12:07 PM
The big events are only a couple times a year.this track will help property values in the area.how would they like it if you wanted to start a hog farm with 1000 hogs.Im sure your zoning would allow that.

We put a private track up at a friends farm surounded by 250,000 + homes on small lots. Not exactly the same but zoning sent a letter (about building a RACE TRACK) next door neighbors complained about noise. We made a flyer put it in every local mail box to explain the HOG FARM idea. We put it in simple English...more problems will bring 100 head of HOGS to your community. Not a peep since...Yes the complants stopped...Have you ever smelled a HOG FARM? :drool: Makes a nice lead in to a complant flyer don't you think? I could not agree more to the Hog Farm idea you wanna see people shutup real fast. I feel as most for your problems and wish you the best.

Billy Golightly
06-23-2008, 07:16 PM
Thanks for all the comments and support everyone...Its been kind of tough. I normally keep a lot of this tuff to myself, but I'm sure seeing my trikes and stuff for sale caught a lot of people off guard and I just wanted everyone to understand my motivations for it. Thanks for reading.

Mosh
06-23-2008, 08:32 PM
Hey man......
I just read the whole spheel.....Except the links.

I AM AMAZED at the odasity of those idiots,having the balls to email the crap they did.
WTF??????

For real.I aint talkin about the"partners"either.
Just the nerve of some people.The neighbors.Quoting the Ten commandments.

Those are usually, the first"Holy Roller, Bible thumpers" breaking them!!!!!
Like they dont offend people in life with the everyday things they do????WTF

I am sick of going out to eat,and seeing some 400 pound sweathog trample me over at the buffet table or salad bar.
Am I about to email them??? Post signs in thier yard???

Then the "Partners"........"Scum of the earth"??????:D
That about summed it up.FO sure!

Holy crap.I dont know how you have not freaked out at this point.You are more patient than me.

brapp
06-23-2008, 08:52 PM
hye billy i have a few guns i am willign to sell just in case you wanna go on a shooting spree j/k man well i hope it allworks out for the best man . i am goign trough the same situation took a morguage on the hous eto buy my equipment for my business and havifn problems cause expences went up and ther eis only so much work around.

84honda200s
06-23-2008, 10:08 PM
dude !! billy man mad props going your way from me for even trying to do it. if i were rich id have your back for 2 reasons... your grabbing life by the horns and riding it for all its worth, and you care about the trikers. you proved that in the lease you had. man i feel so bad for you and your folks. you have done more and learned more than i probably will in my life. i mean to open a business at the age you did is something to be proud of.


i play the latto.... tell ya what billy i win .... so do you !!!! just because of the good things you do for the trike guys. i mean hell you practically live on this site and help organize tf , and so on. sad thing is you dont get payd for it !!! so yea if i ever win you will too man.



i wish you the very best of luck man.

Orangecnty250r
06-23-2008, 10:35 PM
Wow sounds like the contractual agreement worked out for the other party only. Although you have had a run of bad luck with this I give you alot of credit....You had a vision and a dream and at a relatively young age was able to pull it off and make it happen. Hopefully once you get caught up and straighten things out you will have learned some lessons (which couldnt be seen the first go around). If you give it another shot hopefully more of the cash can go in your pocket!!! good luck with it. OC

Daddio
06-23-2008, 10:52 PM
I feel for ya Billy. It's too bad you had to experience the dark side of society at such a young age. Eventually everyone will get to see it in their lifetime. People like that are a waste of oxygen. I have had my fair share of encounters with people like that and tough times in my life.
I wish you the best of luck in the future. I hope you can work things out without having to go to extremes.

WaimakRydah
06-24-2008, 12:41 AM
Those neighbours sound like busy bodies and losers they should be happy that someone in the town is adding another place for people to have fun. They sound like the kind of people who's day would be ruined if someone walked on their lawn

Tecate250
06-24-2008, 11:08 AM
Well people who do not want a *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* track in there community are TRUE AMERICANS" The bad type. The kind that they hate noise but love nascar. *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* nascar has how many tracks.? All those *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* harley motorcycles. And those rice burners. :twisted: I Know how it feels to be chicken little. There are alot of people who say they will help out as much as theyu can. Those people are not worth a penny. I have been trying to get a rally going up here in canada and had all kinds of response when I first thought of this topic. Ill say 3/4 of all people are lazy slime that want everything done for them. No one would flag the flag? What kind of die hard riders do you have down there? I would love to be flaging the start line and finish line. And ill participate in the race as well.:D :D :D
I never met you billy. Never heard your voice but consider you as close as a best friend as someone can get. You Howdy and of corse Tim Burton aka Three Wheelio
RIP.

Hey you know what you need to do is take pictures of all the people against thid and post it up here. Get our communkity working on this. Burn them out lol jk:crazy: Or get a patision "spelling" going around about this. You could even get dirty and say the "content of the signs has scared your family and you are stressed right out which you are.

Call judge judy she will help you out.
Hope you get through this Billy.

84honda200s
06-24-2008, 11:16 AM
Well people who do not want a *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* track in there community are TRUE AMERICANS" The bad type. The kind that they hate noise but love nascar. *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* nascar has how many tracks.? All those *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**E dited* harley motorcycles. And those rice burners. :twisted: I Know how it feels to be chicken little. There are alot of people who say they will help out as much as theyu can. Those people are not worth a penny. I have been trying to get a rally going up here in canada and had all kinds of response when I first thought of this topic. Ill say 3/4 of all people are lazy slime that want everything done for them. No one would flag the flag? What kind of die hard riders do you have down there? I would love to be flaging the start line and finish line. And ill participate in the race as well.:D :D :D
I never met you billy. Never heard your voice but consider you as close as a best friend as someone can get. You Howdy and of corse Tim Burton aka Three Wheelio
RIP.

Hey you know what you need to do is take pictures of all the people against thid and post it up here. Get our communkity working on this. Burn them out lol jk:crazy: Or get a patision "spelling" going around about this. You could even get dirty and say the "content of the signs has scared your family and you are stressed right out which you are.

Call judge judy she will help you out.
Hope you get through this Billy.






now thats a killer idea !!!! come on billy write up a petition . im sure daynm near everyone here will sign it. i know i will thats for sure. i know it wont pay what you owe but it might help ya open the track under your command.

Billy Golightly
06-24-2008, 12:28 PM
Petitions are wonderful in certain aspects. Heres the thing. The opposition is pretty smart too...and the first thing their gonna ask me when I present a couple hundred signatures in favor of it is "How many of these people are local to the area? What is their radius and distance from the proposed site? How is accepting or denying this application going to directly effect the people who signed it?" Now if I could get a couple hundred local signatures, that'd be bad ass and would definitely help.

Macs
06-24-2008, 12:44 PM
I think that the local opposition might lessen after the parks closure. I am sure the economy boosted in the area because of the out of towners. The local buisnuiss owners probly got pretty use to that extra spending money that they will now loose. They will be impacted because of this and will not be happy.

I think that reopening of the park will be the least of your worries. It is surviving the cost in the mean time. Have you thought about opening the park not for racing but maybe something along the lines of lessons for younger riders? this would be a totaly diffrent scenario and might allow for the park to stay open and support itself while you get the rest of this mess sorted out. The local track does lessons here and they make a bundle. They charge $40/hr per kid. Usaully there classes have 10 kids a piece. Every weekend and most evenings these classes are booked solid. They are making a bundle since noone else offers this.

Just a thought. Seems like it would be real easy to get a permit.

evand
06-24-2008, 03:49 PM
man that sucks billy, i didnt know *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* was going that bad for you. the local track got clossed down around here because of the same yuppie homo's. the track was MILES away from any home, and was closed before the "thumper movement" and pingers arnt all that loud. but the yuppies in the town said they could hear the track at there house MILES away and through the woods.


i rlly hope things work out for you man

maggiesboy
06-24-2008, 04:20 PM
sorry to hear about this Billy. I wish I was closer to you to help out on the local level.

Billy Golightly
06-24-2008, 04:25 PM
I think that the local opposition might lessen after the parks closure. I am sure the economy boosted in the area because of the out of towners. The local buisnuiss owners probly got pretty use to that extra spending money that they will now loose. They will be impacted because of this and will not be happy.

I think that reopening of the park will be the least of your worries. It is surviving the cost in the mean time. Have you thought about opening the park not for racing but maybe something along the lines of lessons for younger riders? this would be a totaly diffrent scenario and might allow for the park to stay open and support itself while you get the rest of this mess sorted out. The local track does lessons here and they make a bundle. They charge $40/hr per kid. Usaully there classes have 10 kids a piece. Every weekend and most evenings these classes are booked solid. They are making a bundle since noone else offers this.

Just a thought. Seems like it would be real easy to get a permit.


We talked to the county about doing that, or a "Private Club". The permitting process is exactly the same, and you still have to go through all of the planning, zoning, and crap from people who dont want you to do anything on your own property but grow trees and compost :rolleyes:

I agree 100% with the economical benefits of the track and that was a big point the first time around. We were filling entire hotels and stuff at the interstate exchange in town which is pretty rare for this area without a big event out at the music park thats only 3-4 times a year.

84honda200s
06-24-2008, 05:07 PM
is it possable for you and other businesses have a gather on this situation ? ive seen it in my town where one business got shut down because of yuppies complaining. then the business district (shop owners and so on) got together and explained to the board how much of an impact the place had on the economy in this small town and he was allowed to open back up.


when a board is sat down and told that there is great money to be had and the town can benefit from it due to the people you are bringing in they tend to forget all about the yuppies in the town. if i were in your shoes my friend id be asking other shops, hotels, and so on if it impacted them greatly. money tend to talk allot louder than pissed off old yuppies that have nothing better to do then *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* about a track.


hell fl revolves around green backs ..... psst psst jed bush what ?

WaimakRydah
06-25-2008, 12:11 AM
did u get that 500 running? as i remember u said in an earlier thread that it quit on you

Red Rider
06-25-2008, 02:36 AM
Billy, I'm sorry to hear about the issues with your track, neighbors, & business partners. When I saw you had a bunch of your toys for sale, I figured it was to finance a newer, more expensive toy. I had no idea. As for your so called business partners, hopefully they'll get what they deserve for manipulating the agreement with you & your family, rather than honoring it & the true spirit of it all. Hang in there.

cody2
06-25-2008, 05:17 PM
Hey man......
I just read the whole spheel.....Except the links.

I AM AMAZED at the odasity of those idiots,having the balls to email the crap they did.
WTF??????

For real.I aint talkin about the"partners"either.
Just the nerve of some people.The neighbors.Quoting the Ten commandments.

Those are usually, the first"Holy Roller, Bible thumpers" breaking them!!!!!
Like they dont offend people in life with the everyday things they do????WTF

I am sick of going out to eat,and seeing some 400 pound sweathog trample me over at the buffet table or salad bar.
Am I about to email them??? Post signs in thier yard???

Then the "Partners"........"Scum of the earth"??????:D
That about summed it up.FO sure!

Holy crap.I dont know how you have not freaked out at this point.You are more patient than me.


'As new comers, we tolerated the occasional appearance of 4wheelers.
The end result of their vists is trash strewn about and the unpaved road
(the only access to our home)being torn up by them doing"donuts" with their machines.'

Reading that pissed me off. "Tolerated the appearance of 4wheelers". They act like they own everything and fourwheelers are the devil which also bugs me. I think there are people who are far from responsible and do some donuts and stuff but i find a lot of that gets blamed on kids. Racers of a level where they race in a league arn't just a bunch of irresponsible people who tear up there yards, there walking money. The revenue that track would bring in, the people that would come trough the city, the excitement and time spent there would be worth it. And the liquor part, i didnt know you could race drunk? Since when was that possible seeing as its illegal to drive a car drunk.

People like that piss me off, they call the cops on me on the kfx all the time when i drive at reasonable speeds, sure i like to pull some catwalks and hit some jumps but i do that kinda stuff on my own property way out in the woods but on occasion cops still show up, when are people going to learn to mind there own business?

Billy Golightly
06-26-2008, 03:46 PM
did u get that 500 running? as i remember u said in an earlier thread that it quit on you

Yes. It does not run correctly with the cylinder and pipe combination it has on it now. The pipe thats on it runs swell with the stock porting. The cylinder thats on it now is ported to run peak hp tin the 7500-8k range and the pipe just is not setup for that. You could bore the old stock cylinder I had on it and put it back together and it'd rip, or you could get a new pipe made for it and itd REALLY rip.



Red Rider:


Appreciate the kind words man...everyone gets to that point, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I did get a little bit of good news this week, talked to a few different people about some different things. Might have more info about all that soon.



cody2:

Yes, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Typical incompetence and lack of understanding of different culture and peoples interest by these neighbors.




The newspaper actually printed a letter of mine I wrote to them the other day, I was very impressed and glad that they did. It is the only comment that has been made by me through the whole ordeal since I was last interviewed by them back in October when we were first opening up.


To whomever it was that mentioned the Motocross track in the 6-6-08 section of rant and rave, I would like to say thank you. As the owner of the property the facility was located on, I can understand exactly what you mean. It was not the perfect place to ride, but it was infinitely better then the current and previous alternative (nothing). It gave people a place to go, it was another form of entertainment on the race weekends for people and families to come out and spectate. It undoubtedly gave a boost to the local economy, filling hotel rooms, restaurants, gas stations, and even local grocery stores. Families, and people that ride are often a very diverse group when you break it down, but they all share the same common love for the sport. If you've been a part of it, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Sadly, there are a few extremely close minded and selfish individuals that have operated an elaborate campaign of deception not only about the park, but the patrons of it as well. If your not a part of the sport, or did not have the pleasure to come watch a race, or a practice, then I encourage you to seek out someone who has-and form an educated opinion about it yourself. To all that did enjoy the facility, we thank you, and are glad to have been able to provide it, even if it was for a relatively short period of time. Perhaps, with some outspoken people in favor of it, it would be possible to re-open it.

atc vending guy
06-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Billy,
why not ask for donations?even if everyone here gave a small amount it would at least take the edge off and help you and your parents with the mortage.give me an address or paypal account and im in.john

Billy Golightly
11-14-2008, 08:57 PM
Well guys, the *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* has hit the fan here again :lol: We're less then a week away before we go back in to the hearing again. We got a newspaper article (front page again, I'll have to add it to my collection of 20+ ones now) http://www.suwanneedemocrat.com/local/local_story_318171111.html and our opposition has pretty much extorted our attorney into not working for us by claiming they already met with him and gave him confidential information about them using him to fight us back when we first opened and he has no recollection or notes to reflect this but they threatened to take him before the law board if he did not withdraw and he pretty much just gave in. This hapened just a little over a week before the hearing date, which is this coming up Thursday.

I'm going to do the presentation again. This time though the opposition has larger numbers, and attorneys (plural, for emphasis) that I will have to stand toe to toe with. So say a prayer for me, wish me luck or whatever. I'll post some updates as things get closer to keep everyone informed.

SYKO
11-14-2008, 09:07 PM
damn homie... what day is this?

250RNUT
11-14-2008, 09:12 PM
Go get em and take no S%!t from anyone

Billy Golightly
11-14-2008, 09:19 PM
It'd be Nov 20th Alan, which is this coming up Thursday at 6:30PM.

I've been putting some time in on the dozer at the track, its back in pretty decent shape. Mike Walsh and Cody Gibson were out riding on it this afternoon and considering how little its been rode on since I had to close, I think everything worked pretty well. I just banged out some jump faces and landings cause a lot of stuff was really beat in from the weather.

SYKO
11-14-2008, 09:24 PM
630 huh? in liveoak? I should be able to make it anything I can do? can I scare people? can I get into a fight?! (ive been itching for a good fight lately)

Billy Golightly
11-14-2008, 09:38 PM
Try and keep the fights and scaring people (Mostly the fights, :lol:) to a minimum, otherwise awesome. Just come on down and say a few words when its the time if you can.

ditchmud
11-14-2008, 11:53 PM
Hey man......


I am sick of going out to eat,and seeing some 400 pound sweathog trample me over at the buffet table or salad bar.
Am I about to email them??? Post signs in thier yard???



oh sorry about that moshshens

dcreel
11-18-2008, 03:55 AM
Billy,

Kudos to you for following your dreams. Something most people never get the chance to do. Good luck with the zoning board meeting.

Doug

Russell 350X
11-18-2008, 11:19 PM
Good luck Billy, I hope it works out for the better.

350xrider911
11-19-2008, 02:18 AM
i have a court on the same day. but a 1;30 i wish i was one of your neiboirs i would be over there every day.

Macs
11-20-2008, 01:44 PM
630 huh? in liveoak? I should be able to make it anything I can do? can I scare people? can I get into a fight?! (ive been itching for a good fight lately)


Just let syko spend 5 minutes with the lawyers............:mad:

Billy Golightly
11-20-2008, 01:45 PM
About 5 hours left...

The Goat
11-20-2008, 04:26 PM
billy, ya win some ya lose some, you're a better than they are just for trying.

smokinwrench
11-21-2008, 01:00 PM
So how did it go? I hope well.

Billy Golightly
11-21-2008, 01:24 PM
We tabled to hearing until next month. The 5th member of the board was absent, and a 2/2 tie is the same as losing. Opposition was there in force, probably more then a hundred. My former business partners were there as well, with the opposition, and quite a few other people I thought I was friends with. Pretty sad.

Brockey
11-21-2008, 01:29 PM
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it works better next month. Rooted for ya man.

SYKO
11-21-2008, 01:35 PM
over a 100? wtf?! including your former business partners? that sucks man, I dont know what to think about that.

smokinwrench
11-21-2008, 05:33 PM
His former business partners were low lifes, what did you expect from them?!

I think you need to talk to the board memebers one on one or in a group at your place and and show them how much good it will do for the area. Remind them kids on atv's and bikes is better than kids smoking dope and spreading seeds of love. Explain to them how riding is a sport that brings families together.

SYKO
11-21-2008, 06:39 PM
I agree with you Smoke... but since Ive been around Billy these people are dead set on not letting this be successfull... there so engrossed with trying to prevent it that they have tunnle vision so to speak. If there LIFE depended on this place being a reality they would happly lay down and DIE. Thats they type of people Billy is having to deal with.

But on a side note, BIlly I know a place that would absolutly love to have a track at! get at me if your iterested!

Billy Golightly
11-21-2008, 07:04 PM
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s100/HondaATC/siteplancurrentsmaller.jpg


Theres what I'm proposing.

Eric250R
11-22-2008, 01:32 AM
His former business partners were low lifes, what did you expect from them?!

I think you need to talk to the board memebers one on one or in a group at your place and and show them how much good it will do for the area. Remind them kids on atv's and bikes is better than kids smoking dope and spreading seeds of love. Explain to them how riding is a sport that brings families together.

Have to agree with Syko on this one, irrational people can't accept rational thought. Sorry to hear it's going so badly Billy.

Howdy
11-22-2008, 07:17 AM
Billy, have to tried to get managers from Hotels, Restraunts, Gas stations, ect to write letters / show up for support for you?
Howdy

LonesomeTriZ
11-22-2008, 10:36 AM
Billy, have to tried to get managers from Hotels, Restraunts, Gas stations, ect to write letters / show up for support for you?
Howdy

Wow. That is a really good idea.

Billy Golightly
11-22-2008, 05:42 PM
I haven't yet Howdy, but someone just mentioned that to me the other night and I think that will be my next plan of attack.

longbedGTs
11-25-2008, 01:03 AM
Major props for sticking with this. Too bad the fun police are 2.5 out of 3 people. :rolleyes: