More fun at Obama’s expense.

[LonesomeTriZ]

So true, so very true. :banned:

[Yamahondaman]

HA HA ... It's now the wallpaper at work !! :D

[LonesomeTriZ]

There is a lot of wisdom on that sign.

[Billy Golightly]

Holy *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited*! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: That is got to be one of hte funniest things I've seen about him yet!

[LonesomeTriZ]

That guy is going to be my insurance agent.

[herdfandave]

Wow guys if it got anymore conservative, this thread would be even more boring!:crazy:

[Billy Golightly]

Well it appears there is at lest a smidgen of liberalism in the thread now, so the quota has been filled :lol:

[Dammit!]

Probably wants the government to take action to protect the people from threads like this. :lol:

[hancadam]

Fairness Doctrine anyone?

[Billy Golightly]

I was going to mention that as a matter of fact...

[Nuke Em]

More good Obama stuff...

[LonesomeTriZ]

More good Obama stuff...



:lol: :lol: Those were good.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Wow guys if it got anymore conservative, this thread would be even more boring!:crazy:

It has nothing to do with being conservative. This guy is simply not the right man for the job.

[Trikeaholic]

i remember him saying that and was like WTF???

[LonesomeTriZ]

He does say some off the wall crap. If people would actually listen to what he says, he might lose a lot of support.

[Nuke Em]

He does say some off the wall crap. If people would actually listen to what he says, he might lose a lot of support.

Thats why he will not talk without his speech writers OK'ing what he says. When he speaks without them, he puts that foot straight in,... tard. I would love to watch a REAL open debate without the damned speech writers just to show how ignorant he really is(all 57 states,etc). God help us all if he gets in.

Gary

[Billy Golightly]

I would PAY MONEY for him to go on a tour with McCain and hit up all the town hall meetings and public forums McCain has been doing. It really would help people understand what he is and isn't.

[Trikeaholic]

Budd Gregg is in LA


Couple of interesting signs in Mandeville, La
Posted by Garnet92 on Friday, July 04, 2008 12:24:43 PM

Here’s a little free publicity for Mr. Bud Gregg. Apparently, he’s a State Farm agent in Mandeville, La. Both the front and back of his sign are worth repeating.
Front:
A taxpayer voting for Barack Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Back:
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
Barack Obama

[Yamada]

Budd Gregg is in LA


Couple of interesting signs in Mandeville, La
Posted by Garnet92 on Friday, July 04, 2008 12:24:43 PM

Here’s a little free publicity for Mr. Bud Gregg. Apparently, he’s a State Farm agent in Mandeville, La. Both the front and back of his sign are worth repeating.
Front:
A taxpayer voting for Barack Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

Back:
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
Barack Obama
:lol: :lol: :lol: Man this quote is really funny.

[devilman]

did you all see where Rev. Jess Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off.

:lol: :lol:

[Nuke Em]

did you all see where Rev. Jess Jackson said he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off.

:lol: :lol:


LMAO! Ya, But he apolo"jized" for it then Obama accepted. Jesse's son is a speech writer for Hussien Obama's "crew".

[herdfandave]

It has nothing to do with being conservative. This guy is simply not the right man for the job.

McCain is? hmm it has nothing to do with being conservative:confused: ? Oh, i think it does

[herdfandave]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Man this quote is really funny.


Come on guys, this is the greatest country, why not strive make it better?

Obama 09!

[Billy Golightly]

Come on guys, this is the greatest country, why not strive make it better?

Obama 09!



Quoted for voter intelligence.

[devilman]

this Mother F, said in an interview with a Marine Corps Newspaper that he wants fags to be open and to forget about the don't ask don't tell policy. i say F that, that pisses me off, so i definitely will not vote for him, not like i was going to in the first place.

[Billy Golightly]

this Mother F, said in an interview with a Marine Corps Newspaper that he wants fags to be open and to forget about the don't ask don't tell policy. i say F that, that pisses me off, so i definitely will not vote for him, not like i was going to in the first place.


Yes, because having an openly homo dude in your group that you know is gonna be checking out your junk every time you take a shower and molesting you while you sleep wont have ANY negative effects on unit cohesion with the rest of the straight dudes, RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT :lol::lol::lol:



If he does get a elected all of you service guys do SERIOUSLY have my best regards, I don't know how you'll be able to take it.

[devilman]

he also said that he is better for pres than Mccain because he has travel all over the crap hole over there. whoop-d-f'in-do. if thats the case, me and LonesomeTriZ should run for president.

I guess you could say that i am very very very prejudice(sp) against fags. Me and my boss had a discussion about that today, he said i would end up in jail if the he makes it in. :lol:

[Billy Golightly]

He went to a muslim school for a year in Jakarta, Indonesia. So yeah, hes real versed in the ways of the world. THE MUSLIM WORLD.


A couple months ago, Fox had one of their study groups they do for elections, this ws during the primary and it was a primarily liberal and democratic group. The moderator of the group asked for ANYONE to name ONE SINGLE DIFFERENCE between policy of him and Hillary Clinton, and no one could name a single one. And then he asked them if ANYONE could name ONE SINGLE piece of substantial legislation that Obama co-sponsored or even VOTED on. Crickets....


But they all want to vote for change, and hope!

[hancadam]

Come on guys, this is the greatest country, why not strive make it better?

Obama 09!

If socialism (AKA wealth redistribution) is what your looking for, go for it! Personally I don't think that will make a better country for us. McCain will keep the status quo for now, but I agree both parties had better candidates. McCain is by far the lesser of two evils.

[devilman]

He does say some off the wall crap. If people would actually listen to what he says, he might lose a lot of support.


Lose a lot of support? i serious doubt that. Look who stands by him. Why haven't they stood by anyone else, until now. You all have to remember that America is still full of racist. And i think he may actually have a good chance to get in. i won't be suprised if he comes out as says all fags/any state can get married, just to get their vote. Screw it i am moving to Canada, never hear anything bad about that place.

[herdfandave]

If socialism (AKA wealth redistribution) is what your looking for, go for it! Personally I don't think that will make a better country for us. McCain will keep the status quo for now, but I agree both parties had better candidates. McCain is by far the lesser of two evils.



"status quo for now"?? You like recession? You like 5.00 glln for gas? You like the cost of living, BY FAR passing up the minimum wage (im in southern ohio), you like havin NO SOC SECURITY (im 22, u may have the priveledge to have it).. sorry man, im not too much for the status quo.. To tell ya the truth sir, im not much for either of them, but McCain by far is not the less of 2 evils.. im not a total liberal, i believe in a lot of conservative policies.. Further I know many, soldiers who beleive whats goin on overseas is not goin to fix anything, and yes i know a few who believe being there is right..Everyones got there opinions, and I do watch fox news.. Come on fellas...:cool:

[Billy Golightly]

I'm trying to respect your opinions and ideas, so help me out here.


What specific ideas and policies of Obamas do you agree with that will change the following:


Reduce the consumer price of gas and diesel fuel in the short term (<5 years)

Specific philosophy and policy ideas as how help prevent another terrorists attack here on US soil.

How to keep Iran from finishing the development of nuclear weapons.

How to fix the social security

How to fix and pay for the budget deficit that will occur from all the government sponsored programs Obama wants to fund. Did you know its estimated he will spend more in his first year in office then the ENTIRE COST OF THE IRAQ WAR ON GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. Where is this money gonna come from? The federal reserve where they can just print more up? Whats he gonna do about inflation then.

[firehart]

I don't want either of them. I think its going to be all up to who McCain picks for VP. I sure don't want Obama and Clinton.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Herdfandave,

You seen to know what motivates out thoughts so I guess that means you have all the answers don’t you. I consider myself a Republican, but I would vote for a Democrat if he or she really would act in the best interest of this country. An over the top liberal like Obama will not act in the best interest of this country. Just listen to his speeches that he does not write. But I am sure in all your 22 years you have gotten everything figured out already. And by the way, do not speak of what is going on over here unless you have been here.

Writing from Mosul

[Nuke Em]

What is the deal with the younger people and Obama? Drinking the "Obama change" koolaid? Do they not see the views and what they want to do with the country(make it a socialist country). Who wants their taxes doubled, who wants to wait 6 weeks to see a doctor, etc. Ask Canada or Europeans how well they like it! Unless you are the rich type, you will be sorry and then its too late.

I just retired from 21 years in the Air Force working on nuclear missiles so maybe some of you will think I am a war mongering baby killer, but most people support the military...and the war effort! The damned liberal media will not show the good things that are happening every day over there.

I will add more later, late for work

Gary

[devilman]

:lol: Nuclear missiles, you aren't supposed to say that are you, we have "no such thing in the USA"

[Billy Golightly]

:shiftyeyes:

[Trikeaholic]

[QUOTE=Nuke Em;636133]What is the deal with the younger people and Obama? Drinking the "Obama change" koolaid? Do they not see the views and what they want to do with the country(make it a socialist country). Who wants their taxes doubled, who wants to wait 6 weeks to see a doctor, etc. Ask Canada or Europeans how well they like it! Unless you are the rich type, you will be sorry and then its too late.


They dont remember Carter, who is just a white obama! They think socialism just hasn't been tried by the right people yet. They think Che was a cool revolutionary, they have no idea how the economy works and are generally spoiled brats. They believe that poverty equals only 1 car, and 1 tv in your air conditioned and heated home or govt sponsored apt. They believe that having a roof over their head and a full belly isnt good enough and they are entitled to anything they want, but dont want to earn. They have no idea what the federal gov't actual role was designed to be.

That is a young, idealistic, uneducated voter these days. I say raise the voting age to 30 or at least you should be a taxpayer in order to vote. These college kids voting is just not good.

[LonesomeTriZ]

They dont remember Carter, who is just a white obama! They think socialism just hasn't been tried by the right people yet. They think Che was a cool revolutionary, they have no idea how the economy works and are generally spoiled brats. They believe that poverty equals only 1 car, and 1 tv in your air conditioned and heated home or govt sponsored apt. They believe that having a roof over their head and a full belly isnt good enough and they are entitled to anything they want, but dont want to earn. They have no idea what the federal gov't actual role was designed to be.

That is a young, idealistic, uneducated voter these days. I say raise the voting age to 30 or at least you should be a taxpayer in order to vote. These college kids voting is just not good.


Amen brother, amen. :beer

[herdfandave]

Herdfandave,

You seen to know what motivates out thoughts so I guess that means you have all the answers don’t you. I consider myself a Republican, but I would vote for a Democrat if he or she really would act in the best interest of this country. An over the top liberal like Obama will not act in the best interest of this country. Just listen to his speeches that he does not write. But I am sure in all your 22 years you have gotten everything figured out already. And by the way, do not speak of what is going on over here unless you have been here.

Writing from Mosul


All i was saying i knew soldiers (yes friends) who beleived being over there was a waste of time, and some who beleived diffrent.. All i was tryin to prove is it's not just me who is against it, but soldiers are too... Your right, i havent been overseas, but i cant speak of what is going on?? Last time i checked sir, this country was somewhat free, and i thought free speech was permitted? guys im sorry if everyone is getting mad at me, but a lil negotiating instead of brute force is sometimes better, brute force is what we have been about, i just dont understand how that works? I am against the war, but i am against pulling out now.. We pull out now, there will be hell to pay in america! Have to finish out the right way, which is what Obama plans to do.. Further, I do beleive once he does finish the war, our economy will BOOM, thus decreasing the defeicit, and saving into MY SOC SEC! THAT I HAVE TO PAY! I beleive that a mans only as good as his work, im a hard worker, my familys hard workers, and in a time when you have to get 2 years of college to get a job that in 1980's you could quit 4th grade and still get, we need more jobs!! Come on, Obama will clean up the mess!...

Thank ya sir for being overseas, your a good man!

[Billy Golightly]

Your man Obama wants a complete and unequivocal withdrawal from Iraq as soon as possible. Thats in total contradiction of what you just said you believed...common man, open your eyes.

[LonesomeTriZ]

All i was saying i knew soldiers (yes friends) who beleived being over there was a waste of time, and some who beleived diffrent.. All i was tryin to prove is it's not just me who is against it, but soldiers are too... Your right, i havent been overseas, but i cant speak of what is going on?? Last time i checked sir, this country was somewhat free, and i thought free speech was permitted? guys im sorry if everyone is getting mad at me, but a lil negotiating instead of brute force is sometimes better, brute force is what we have been about, i just dont understand how that works? I am against the war, but i am against pulling out now.. We pull out now, there will be hell to pay in america! Have to finish out the right way, which is what Obama plans to do.. Further, I do beleive once he does finish the war, our economy will BOOM, thus decreasing the defeicit, and saving into MY SOC SEC! THAT I HAVE TO PAY! I beleive that a mans only as good as his work, im a hard worker, my familys hard workers, and in a time when you have to get 2 years of college to get a job that in 1980's you could quit 4th grade and still get, we need more jobs!! Come on, Obama will clean up the mess!...

Thank ya sir for being overseas, your a good man!



First off, you have the way wrong idea about social security. It was ONLY designed as a supplement. It is still up to YOU to prepare for your retirement. Younger people seem to have never learned that. Being since you have not been over here, no your opinion means nothing. You can think what ever you like, but do not speak it because you look like a fool. I will not speak of the reasons behind the Vietnam War because I had nothing to do with it. Do you see my point? The economy will not boom once the war is over. Have you not learned in any history classes that war helps the economy? A good example of that is WWII. That war pulled the nation out of the depression. The economy back home is struggling for other reasons. Through out history all economies have had ups and downs. And it is up to good leadership to bring it up again. Your boy IS NOT that leadership.

[Billy Golightly]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3590055




"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was," Obama said in excerpts of the speech provided to The Associated Press.

"The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year now," the Illinois senator says.



And as for the economy getting better after the troops are removed from Iraq, :wondering: Removing nearly the largest reason for industrial development and manufacturing in this country is going to help the economy how?

[LonesomeTriZ]

Your man Obama wants a complete and unequivocal withdrawal from Iraq as soon as possible. Thats in total contradiction of what you just said you believed...common man, open your eyes.


Thanks Billy, I forgot to adress that.

[Trikeaholic]

Its a lost cause!

Billy and lonesome, do you guys have Sirius? Billy you would love Mike Church chan 144 GET IT!

[LonesomeTriZ]

Nope, I do not think that would work over here.

I know you are right Holic, most libs would rather the country burn down around them than admit they might be wrong.

[Billy Golightly]

I sure dont...I've heard its pretty good though. I listen to Neil Boortz, Rush, and Michael Savage alot though from a talk radio station down in the Gainsville area (buggers moved their tower further south for a larger listener area though recently and I hardly get it anymore). I like Rush but I think Boortz and Savage are my favorites. Savage is just plain brutal sometimes haha

[hancadam]

"status quo for now"?? You like recession? You like 5.00 glln for gas? You like the cost of living, BY FAR passing up the minimum wage (im in southern ohio), you like havin NO SOC SECURITY (im 22, u may have the priveledge to have it).. sorry man, im not too much for the status quo.. To tell ya the truth sir, im not much for either of them, but McCain by far is not the less of 2 evils.. im not a total liberal, i believe in a lot of conservative policies.. Further I know many, soldiers who beleive whats goin on overseas is not goin to fix anything, and yes i know a few who believe being there is right..Everyones got there opinions, and I do watch fox news.. Come on fellas...:cool:

I personally think they should do away with Social Security, another form of Socialism to me. I would rather invest the money myself, instead of the government doing it for me. Thanks for the offer, but I can take care of my own.

On the topic of gas, if you think any Democrat will fix it think again. They are against drilling in Anwar and Off shore. They are against any new nuclear plants, and against coal to oil. Most Republicans are for it and Bush is fighting for it.

And again, minimum wage is retarded. We live in a free market, so the market should dictate your wages, not the government. Guess what, if your job requires no skill or know how, then your not worth much. You have to make yourself valuable in a free market.

Everything you have stated tells me you expect the government to take care of you. If thats the case you will be disappointed every time. Like you have stated, the wars are a matter of opinion. But all the others go against the self responsibility this country was founded on. Health care is another example. If we as Americans expect the gov to pay for all this, we might as well sign our paychecks over. I admit, I am extremely conservative and hate big government, so I may come off a bit extreme. But all this whining ticks me off.

Oh and on the so called recession, most of it has been created by media hype. Our economy grew by 36 billion last quarter, which is just shy of 1%. Not to good, but not bad either.

[hancadam]

All i was saying i knew soldiers (yes friends) who beleived being over there was a waste of time, and some who beleived diffrent.. All i was tryin to prove is it's not just me who is against it, but soldiers are too... Your right, i havent been overseas, but i cant speak of what is going on?? Last time i checked sir, this country was somewhat free, and i thought free speech was permitted? guys im sorry if everyone is getting mad at me, but a lil negotiating instead of brute force is sometimes better, brute force is what we have been about, i just dont understand how that works? I am against the war, but i am against pulling out now.. We pull out now, there will be hell to pay in america! Have to finish out the right way, which is what Obama plans to do.. Further, I do beleive once he does finish the war, our economy will BOOM, thus decreasing the defeicit, and saving into MY SOC SEC! THAT I HAVE TO PAY! I beleive that a mans only as good as his work, im a hard worker, my familys hard workers, and in a time when you have to get 2 years of college to get a job that in 1980's you could quit 4th grade and still get, we need more jobs!! Come on, Obama will clean up the mess!...

Thank ya sir for being overseas, your a good man!

Diplomacy(aka appeasement) for the most part is crap. It failed with Hitler, Saddam, and now the Ayatollahs. In each case it just buys the enemy time to strengthen. And the statement about a College degree's is also crap. 46% of of graduates end up in a different field than what they went to school for. Thus not using their education.

Sorry if I come off rude, honestly not trying to be. Not speaking to you directly, but it seems a lot of Americans have no idea on whats going on. It is hard to find a true liberal that knows what there talking about. And if you do, they are the hippy, tree hugging, socialism, elitist, whack jobs.

It is easy to blame all of our current issues on the person in charge right now. But in all honesty, our problems today where set in motion many administrations ago. Both Democrat and Republican. Bush has a back bone of steel, and has done almost exactly as he stated. This country has been through a lot of trouble throughout his Admin, but we have for the most part had a very prosperous and safe 8 years. I truly believe history will be kind to him.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Damn hancadam, you summed it up perfectly. Too many Americans now at days expect governemnt hand outs. I am not a JFK fan, but his speach "what can YOU do for your country" is dead on. Why more demo's are not like him I will never know.

[herdfandave]

I personally think they should do away with Social Security, another form of Socialism to me. I would rather invest the money myself, instead of the government doing it for me. Thanks for the offer, but I can take care of my own.

On the topic of gas, if you think any Democrat will fix it think again. They are against drilling in Anwar and Off shore. They are against any new nuclear plants, and against coal to oil. Most Republicans are for it and Bush is fighting for it.

And again, minimum wage is retarded. We live in a free market, so the market should dictate your wages, not the government. Guess what, if your job requires no skill or know how, then your not worth much. You have to make yourself valuable in a free market.

Everything you have stated tells me you expect the government to take care of you. If thats the case you will be disappointed every time. Like you have stated, the wars are a matter of opinion. But all the others go against the self responsibility this country was founded on. Health care is another example. If we as Americans expect the gov to pay for all this, we might as well sign our paychecks over. I admit, I am extremely conservative and hate big government, so I may come off a bit extreme. But all this whining ticks me off.

Oh and on the so called recession, most of it has been created by media hype. Our economy grew by 36 billion last quarter, which is just shy of 1%. Not to good, but not bad either.



I totally agree with doin away with Soc Securty,we can worry about investing and saving ourselves...BUT if im gonna pay in it, and lose 5% of my check for all these fat bums to pay for there hoverounds cuz they cant walk, or the people that get "mentally unstable" soc sec checks.. I WANT MY CUT!! (see isnt that conservative??)

Democrats are totally against coal to oil? hhm your talking about my bread and butter now, as far as i know, all our local union leaders are democrats, and our big wig ceos also democrat.. US Steel, also democratic.. y would they support someone who is against coal to oil?? Surely our union reps dont want us to lose our jobs to el pablo, or jing yun pho??;)

Now to the minimum wage, yes you are totally right.. make yourself valuble in your market.. Im with you all the way, but i look at it like this.. If the base rate (minimum wage usually) is low, and you make yourself "valuble" in your market, you get a few dollars more over the base rate, U Still arent making Jack (at least compared to the cost of living)!! I mean, does everyone have to move to huge citys that are way overpopulated anyway, to get a decent rate?

Does it really matter here though, i mean i live in Ohio, this is definitly a red state as usual.. So technically you all can think i'll be votin McCain, although im not..lol

[LonesomeTriZ]

I totally agree with doin away with Soc Securty,we can worry about investing and saving ourselves...BUT if im gonna pay in it, and lose 5&#37; of my check for all these fat bums to pay for there hoverounds cuz they cant walk, or the people that get "mentally unstable" soc sec checks.. I WANT MY CUT!! (see isnt that conservative??)

Democrats are totally against coal to oil? hhm your talking about my bread and butter now, as far as i know, all our local union leaders are democrats, and our big wig ceos also democrat.. US Steel, also democratic.. y would they support someone who is against coal to oil?? Surely our union reps dont want us to lose our jobs to el pablo, or jing yun pho??;)

Now to the minimum wage, yes you are totally right.. make yourself valuble in your market.. Im with you all the way, but i look at it like this.. If the base rate (minimum wage usually) is low, and you make yourself "valuble" in your market, you get a few dollars more over the base rate, U Still arent making Jack (at least compared to the cost of living)!! I mean, does everyone have to move to huge citys that are way overpopulated anyway, to get a decent rate?

Does it really matter here though, i mean i live in Ohio, this is definitly a red state as usual.. So technically you all can think i'll be votin McCain, although im not..lol



Not all demarcates are bad. I already sited one; JFK was a good president and democrat. His sack of crap man murdering brother is a different story. Most of my family are democrats but not the liberal kind. The liberal democrats are the ones helping to destroy this country. I cannot believe any one would even consider comparing Obama to JFK. Some of your statements and beliefs contradict what Obama has openly stated. Are you sure you know who you are voting for. It sounds as though you have a serious misunderstanding of your candidate.

[Trikeaholic]

WOW hancadam, I had the same thing going but then I decided to just post the "lost cause" post. HAHAH, great minds think alike..

[hancadam]

I truly believe most Americans are conservative, but just don't understand the reality. Most older democrats don't realize the sad state their party is in and what they really stand for. Most just vote along party lines out of stubbornness, instead of being informed. Honestly the Republican party of today is more like the Democratic party from the WWII era. Thats why so many elderly people are Democrats. The media plays a big part of this. We as a society are to focused on crap like sports and American idol to really care whats going on.

[LonesomeTriZ]

I truly believe most Americans are conservative, but just don't understand the reality. Most older democrats don't realize the sad state their party is in and what they really stand for. Most just vote along party lines out of stubbornness, instead of being informed. Honestly the Republican party of today is more like the Democratic party from the WWII era. Thats why so many elderly people are Democrats. The media plays a big part of this. We as a society are to focused on crap like sports and American idol to really care whats going on.



Dead on bulls eye. You are so right. All my family lives in Tennessee and they are the old democrats you speak of. True southern democrats are NOT like the liberal versions. We bump heads very now and then, but for the most part, we agree on a lot in the political world.

[hancadam]

Damn hancadam, you summed it up perfectly. Too many Americans now at days expect governemnt hand outs. I am not a JFK fan, but his speach "what can YOU do for your country" is dead on. Why more demo's are not like him I will never know.

I personally don't care much for JFK either, but think its funny how most Democrats are against the Bush tax cuts. Even though JFK is the one who came up with it.

[LonesomeTriZ]

Yeah, like I said before I am not a fan. but for a democrat he did not do too bad. Well, except for that whole Bay of Pigs thing.

[hancadam]

I totally agree with doin away with Soc Securty,we can worry about investing and saving ourselves...BUT if im gonna pay in it, and lose 5&#37; of my check for all these fat bums to pay for there hoverounds cuz they cant walk, or the people that get "mentally unstable" soc sec checks.. I WANT MY CUT!! (see isnt that conservative??)

Democrats are totally against coal to oil? hhm your talking about my bread and butter now, as far as i know, all our local union leaders are democrats, and our big wig ceos also democrat.. US Steel, also democratic.. y would they support someone who is against coal to oil?? Surely our union reps dont want us to lose our jobs to el pablo, or jing yun pho??;)

Now to the minimum wage, yes you are totally right.. make yourself valuble in your market.. Im with you all the way, but i look at it like this.. If the base rate (minimum wage usually) is low, and you make yourself "valuble" in your market, you get a few dollars more over the base rate, U Still arent making Jack (at least compared to the cost of living)!! I mean, does everyone have to move to huge citys that are way overpopulated anyway, to get a decent rate?

Does it really matter here though, i mean i live in Ohio, this is definitly a red state as usual.. So technically you all can think i'll be votin McCain, although im not..lol

Unions are a whole other topic that makes me sick. Yes there use to be a time and place for them during the Industrial Revolution, but not now. Once again, another form of socialism. Everyone is equal, and treated the same. Thats a joke. It allows the people who fly just under the radar to hide, and kills the ambition of the talented people. Everyone spoken for as a whole, no self responsibility. And of course your union leaders are democrats, like I said another form a socialism (AKA liberals). I love Ford and Chevy, but the unions are killing them. They have caused them to build sub par cars for decades to make up for the cost of the Unions. They will not be able to compete against the Japanese if the unions keep it up.

And by the way. I live in Charlotte TN with less than 2000 people, but work for one of the Largest Banks in the world from home.

Herdfandave I am done with my ranting. Thanks for putting up with it. We simply just disagree, and thats ok.

Also, LonesomeTriZ take care of yourself over there. I really value and respect Americans like you.

[herdfandave]

Unions are a whole other topic that makes me sick. Yes there use to be a time and place for them during the Industrial Revolution, but not now. Once again, another form of socialism. Everyone is equal, and treated the same. Thats a joke. It allows the people who fly just under the radar to hide, and kills the ambition of the talented people. Everyone spoken for as a whole, no self responsibility. And of course your union leaders are democrats, like I said another form a socialism (AKA liberals). I love Ford and Chevy, but the unions are killing them. They have caused them to build sub par cars for decades to make up for the cost of the Unions. They will not be able to compete against the Japanese if the unions keep it up.

And by the way. I live in Charlotte TN with less than 2000 people, but work for one of the Largest Banks in the world from home.

Herdfandave I am done with my ranting. Thanks for putting up with it. We simply just disagree, and thats ok.

Also, LonesomeTriZ take care of yourself over there. I really value and respect Americans like you.



thanks for the chance to debate..lol.. hey keep out of that tennessee rain, we went to knoxville to watch Marshall play the VOls, that was some of the biggest rain drops ive ever seen in my life.. take er easy

[LonesomeTriZ]

I think Unions are the driving force that is sending our auto makers to places like Mexico to build their vehicles. But, I am not versed enough on that subject to get into it.

As far Obama and his “plans” for Iraq. If he gets his way he will kill a lot of Americans and their allies. You cannot pull out of a situation like this and just walk away. It will be like a turkey shoot for the enemy. I know our system of government is set up so that one man does not have all the power. I am also aware of the fact that the president can do nothing with out the support of congress and vise versa. That is the point in our system of government. However, with the “ruling” Democrats in congress now I fear they will become a rubber stamp congress if that sack of garbage is elected. We do not see that many deaths over here any more. But the other day I helped remove the remains of Americans from a vehicle that was attacked. Have you ever smelled raw meat after it has been in 120 degree temperatures for several hours. As unpleasant as it was, it is not all that common any more. If Obama is elected, it WILL become common again. The enemy will know we have a weak leader and they will exploit it every chance they get.