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88 Turbo Coupe
10-22-2008, 04:23 PM
Leading McCain all over the country in the polls? Shouldn't it be the other way around? :lol:
The world is going to hell in a hand basket.
deathman53
10-22-2008, 04:44 PM
obama knows how to talk and what people want to hear. Free health care, big tax refunds for the low-middle class, more taxes on the rich, etc. The problem is that once you look at his offers and study to whole picture, you'll find that is isn't possible at all. What he is proposing will drive the country into further recession. My dad does taxes during tax season, dec - may, what obama is proposing will allow the lower class people to get back OVER 110% of their taxes. Its bad enough that if you make under so much, you get back almost everything that was taken out, obama wants to give these people MORE than they paid to into. The math just doesn't work, everthing that obama wants to do, when you look at a closer it will just raise taxes. Raising taxes for the rich?, they are the investors and consumers that are fueling the economy, you would want them to spend and invest more money into the private sector and banks, not the opposite. If the rich have less money to spend, less trickles down to us, not a good thing.
ATC-Eric
10-22-2008, 04:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMPNWT6NxMY
THe more this useless human being gets out and talks, the more he brings himself down. Hopefully the blind will start to see the truth.
THe more this useless human being gets out and talks, the more he brings himself down. Hopefully the blind will start to see the truth.
There all useless.
TravEX
10-22-2008, 08:43 PM
The choice is clear for me. I only wish the ticket was Huckabee/Romney instead of McCain/Palin.
Trust me, none of us can afford Obama. He can say what he wants, but he will raise taxes for us all, period. Democrat=BIG government, BIG spending, and we will be left to foot the bill. Obama is heading toward Socialism and Marxism!
Never let a dog watch your food.
Never let the government watch your money.
The Goat
10-22-2008, 09:02 PM
since the ideological shift...democrats have always made money, and republicans have always spent it. The exception of course being reagan...but that is because of his complete lack of a political agenda. a lot of voters for bush initially saw him as an everyman kind of guy...and they voted for him thinking he could be something like reagan.
we need bill back...sorry but that's what it is. Huckabee was the only person who was actually personable...and that's all politics essentially is...a dog and pony show. I would have voted for rudy...
as it is now, obama is going to win...and I honestly believe he will have a positive effect on the current maddening state of this country.
I'm right there with you guys when you say that everything is *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* up...
The difference is that I'm perfectly willing to just take a chance on this guy...because more of the same ain't gonna do a damned thing.
I'd rather go down following someone who (even if full of it) had an original idea or two.
what are we... blumbering and stupid, following the same path as always...or are we willing to back up... and take things into perspective.
If I do decide to vote in this election....I won't be voting for McCain.
Then again, I might just write in Mickey Mouse....he gets nearly a percent of the vote in every presidential election.
Never let a dog watch your food.
Never let the government watch your money.
I would trust my dog before I trust big fatcats.:lol:
300rman
10-22-2008, 09:33 PM
to be honest, the president cant do *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* without congress backing him. unfortunately, he can hire goons in congress to do what he wants, I.E. Take Guns Away, in that case, he can F*** OFF.
TravEX
10-22-2008, 09:40 PM
And with a Democratic Congress and House, Obama will push through anything he wants. The Clinton gun bans will be back, maybe stricter this time! I already ordered my hi-cap mags a few monthes ago.
Yes, I think that Obama has it in the back, and it scares the HELL out of me! We are in real trouble, wait and see!
And with a Democratic Congress and House, Obama will push through anything he wants. The Clinton gun bans will be back, maybe stricter this time! I already ordered my hi-cap mags a few monthes ago.
Yes, I think that Obama has it in the back, and it scares the HELL out of me! We are in real trouble, wait and see!
Either way you look at it were all screwed.
TravEX
10-22-2008, 09:45 PM
Yes, that's right.
DixiePlowboy
10-22-2008, 09:47 PM
. I would have voted for rudy...
I wouldn't have voted for Rudy under any circumstances!
as it is now, obama is going to win...and I honestly believe he will have a positive effect on the current maddening state of this country.
Osama is going to win, but he certainly won't have a positive effect unless you consider socialism "Positive"
I'm right there with you guys when you say that everything is *Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited**Edited* up...
In total agreement
The difference is that I'm perfectly willing to just take a chance on this guy...because more of the same ain't gonna do a damned thing.Voting for either one IS more of the same thing...and that's very bad IMO
I'd rather go down following someone who (even if full of it) had an original idea or two.Those ideas aren't original...study Marx.
Just my opinion though..
DixiePlowboy
10-22-2008, 09:51 PM
And with a Democratic Congress and House, Obama will push through anything he wants. The Clinton gun bans will be back, maybe stricter this time! I already ordered my hi-cap mags a few monthes ago.
And my gun collection gains value...just like in Clinton's years
TravEX
10-22-2008, 09:51 PM
I was waiting for Dixie to chime in!
DixiePlowboy
10-22-2008, 09:53 PM
I was waiting for Dixie to chime in!
Quick enough for you...lol
I'm trying to back away from politics and get me something else to ride....been strung too tight for too long. I still care what happens, but I'm trying not to care, if that makes any sense.
I need a beer and an R...lol
88 Turbo Coupe
10-22-2008, 10:30 PM
Huckabe made alot of sense to me. After listening to him, he really made alot of good points. Too bad he's not in it for now. I would have seriously considered voting for him. I am registered independant now. And proud of it. I don't go with the flow anymore. I go with who is RIGHT! BTW How is Palin going to run this country if McCain dies? McCain made a stupid choice when he picked her. There are alot more qualified people out ther. But, You don't know what goes on behind closed doors? Now do you.
Fuzzy8766
10-23-2008, 12:02 PM
As you gents grow older you will see that we as voters have no say in Presidential elections. The Washington fat cats run the show and that is the end of it. I've been a voter for 35 years and this year I said F it I'm done. Your votes only count in state and local elections. Voting for the President is nothing more than a waste of ink.
In the end it all boils down to who tells the best lies and the last lie. The last good lie wins.
aldochina
10-23-2008, 12:47 PM
This thread could go on for ever. Bottom line, if you value the freedoms this country was built upon, you know who to vote for. If you dont vote then dont complain!
It's the lesser of two evils!
It's the agenda of the party, not the man we have to worry about.
Tri-Z 250
10-23-2008, 01:06 PM
I'm not trying to play any race card but this is a fact....In Cleveland Black people do not vote on rainy/ bad weather days. I think the polls are bias to begin with. Are you familiar with Acorn...Get out to vote? They claim no bias but in Downtown Cleveland they handed registrations and pushed Obama....they were clearly asking black individuals and not really asking whites if the were regestered. I think it would be great if EVERYONE voted thats elgible. So if I poll 100 people on the street....I only target low income looking people and blacks how do you think the poll will turn out? The same could be true if I were to poll in Coal country Southern Ohio and look for white middle to upper class males. You can make the numbers do anything you want.
cybrman
10-23-2008, 01:35 PM
I think Huckabee woulda been the best choice as well. I will be voting for Mccain simply because NObama has NO experience. I find it laughable that he is even where he is today. It will not be funny 4 years from now if he is elected.
Anything I see on TV I immediately discount as propaganda or only half the story.
And the polls....PUleeaassee gimme a break. Statistics mean what you structure them to mean. IMO the media is doing Mccain a favor by saying hes trailing, effectively ramping up support. I will be very worried if suddenly the polls show him ahead the week before the election, rallying the Obama supporters.
The economy is tanking because of the democratic party, and their move to deregulate the mortgage industry. Bill Clinton did a lot of good but that was one catastrophic move that was made under his watch and now we are paying for it.
So when you hear more of the same, don't forget this little fact. Mccain is not Bush and he will do a much better job I hope.
You still have to put things in perspective. Clinton had a chance to kill Osama bin laden and let it slip away, wonder how things would've turned out if he got him instead of letting him walk??
. If you dont vote then dont complain!
I'm going to complain all I want. It's a free country.:D
atctim
10-23-2008, 03:38 PM
Yeah - that "If you don't vote - Don't complain" is played out. As someone else above said - Our votes for Prez - DO NOT COUNT. Think about it - Wasn't it W that did not get the popular vote back in 2000 - yet still won the election?
I am so sick and tired of the played out political crap I could puke. It is not about what is wrong or right anymore - but who has the most money makes the rules - I know most of you know what I am talking about.
A beter question in this thread might be - why were there no other parties involved in the national debates? Independent, Green, Libertarian???? What's up with that.
As I see it - we are screwed either way - I wish there was something average people could do to get there voices heard - but it ain't gonna happen - your vote means NOTHING!
BTW - IMHO Obama is a POS! - I don't know where they get these poll numbers from - but how accurate can they really be? About as accurate as our Liberal Media makes them out to be.
Tri-Z 250
10-23-2008, 03:51 PM
I think Huckabee woulda been the best choice as well. I will be voting for Mccain simply because NObama has NO experience. I find it laughable that he is even where he is today. It will not be funny 4 years from now if he is elected.
Anything I see on TV I immediately discount as propaganda or only half the story.
And the polls....PUleeaassee gimme a break. Statistics mean what you structure them to mean. IMO the media is doing Mccain a favor by saying hes trailing, effectively ramping up support. I will be very worried if suddenly the polls show him ahead the week before the election, rallying the Obama supporters.
The economy is tanking because of the democratic party, and their move to deregulate the mortgage industry. Bill Clinton did a lot of good but that was one catastrophic move that was made under his watch and now we are paying for it.
So when you hear more of the same, don't forget this little fact. Mccain is not Bush and he will do a much better job I hope.
You still have to put things in perspective. Clinton had a chance to kill Osama bin laden and let it slip away, wonder how things would've turned out if he got him instead of letting him walk??
OK we agree on many points but Clinton also PASSED NAFTA...that was his baby golden payout. As far as pulling the trigger...20/20 hindsite opinion it would not have made a difference the plan would still have been carried out. Infact by killing him it would only validate everything he was preaching.
McCain is not looked at inside the republican party as "one of the guys."
The party didn't choose John....New Hampshire did. Maverick....10-4 Iceman I got yer 6
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-final-debate/768721/
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-palin-rap/773781/
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/gov-palin-cold-open/773761/
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/
TravEX
10-23-2008, 07:44 PM
I not even gonna click on a link with "NBC" in it, surely you're smarter than that?!
aldochina
10-24-2008, 12:40 AM
this thread sucks, its making me depressed, I log on here to forget about all this for an hour or so. for some reason I cant look away though. Go figure:crazy:
If you think your vote is meaningless, atleast do it to honor our ancestors that fought for the right.
threewheelin-feelin
10-24-2008, 02:46 AM
mccain without a doubt...everything obama talks about involves taxes being raised...and i dont think he has the experience to be president...mccain even though i dont like him much either atleast has been in this game for a long time...and like was said earlier mccain is not bush so people need to just let that go
3Razors
10-24-2008, 10:33 AM
Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing. The democrat campain is trying to buy the election because they have the most money for advertising, ect. Don't be number to that mess. I truly don't like either of the two canidates but for me Mccain is the lesser of two evils. And as always if you love outdoors/offroading ect. a democrat in office will always try and shut down your riding areas.
firehart
10-29-2008, 11:41 AM
I liked Ron Paul but the media did not. So they just refused to write or say anything about him, positive or negative.
ATC-Eric
10-29-2008, 12:02 PM
Yeah - that "If you don't vote - Don't complain" is played out. As someone else above said - Our votes for Prez - DO NOT COUNT. Think about it - Wasn't it W that did not get the popular vote back in 2000 - yet still won the election?
I am so sick and tired of the played out political crap I could puke. It is not about what is wrong or right anymore - but who has the most money makes the rules - I know most of you know what I am talking about.
A beter question in this thread might be - why were there no other parties involved in the national debates? Independent, Green, Libertarian???? What's up with that.
As I see it - we are screwed either way - I wish there was something average people could do to get there voices heard - but it ain't gonna happen - your vote means NOTHING!
BTW - IMHO Obama is a POS! - I don't know where they get these poll numbers from - but how accurate can they really be? About as accurate as our Liberal Media makes them out to be.
X 2
great post
UlsterATCFan
10-29-2008, 12:08 PM
I liked Ron Paul but the media did not. So they just refused to write or say anything about him, positive or negative.
I prefer Ron Jeremy!
Dont believe the polls. 80% of the people polled were from ages 18 to 36. Which only about 40% of the age group votes. Only 1.06% of the over 60 voters answered polls, which 70% of them vote. So the polls are heavily wrong. Bush lost in every poll but still won the election.
I know i am in a red state, but i have not found one single person voting for obama. Everyone i have asked about him were hugely disgusted. Hell we dont even know if he is legal to run. He cant even produce a birth certificate and his grandmother says he was born in Kenya. There is suppose to be a lawsuit going on about that but of corse the media is not covering there mesiah.
......................... i will calm down, i just dont want to become a socialist, give my hard earned money to some lazy person who want work, dont want socialized healthcare cause that will run all of the good doctors out and everyone will have a 3 month wait to see a doctor. He socializes with terrist, Aires (sp?) even wrote his book, he buys off the media, has only 2 years experience as a senator, blah, blah, blah i could be here all day.
Mc Cain has decent programs. Yes he is going to raise taxes, but with the economy falling that will have to happen. But if everyone pays a little it will not be noticeable. Also anyone that has served in the military has my highest respects especially a pow.
Alright i am done.......
The Goat
10-29-2008, 08:11 PM
hey now, clinton won that first election with only 40% of the popular vote I believe.
cybrman
10-29-2008, 08:30 PM
hey now, clinton won that first election with only 40% of the popular vote I believe.
Nothing personal....
But...
Spoken like a true democrat.
On the surface it sounds shocking and tugs at your heart strings, but you fail to mention that Perot was in that race and won almost 20% of the vote.
Not quite the same thing wouldn't you agree?
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