Any gun owners????

[Groundworx]

Any gun owners on the forum? What do you have in your collection? Post pics if you have them.

I have a Benelli Nova 12ga., Hi-Point .380, and a Smith and Wesson Sigma 40 S&W. Sorry, I have no pics right now..

[fabiodriven]

I have a semi-auto Beretta that is in my pocket all day with two 7 round clips. Sometimes I carry my Smith and Wesson .357 5 shot revolver with a 2 inch(?) barrel. Other than that I have a cheeze-o Mossberg Maverick Wal-Mart edition and a single shot .410.

[300rman]

I got an all black AK-47 made with ALL-AMERICAN components (stamped CLEVELAND,OHIO on the reciever)

[J.D.]

Yep...have a few. Mossberg Maverick Model 88(12 guage), Ruger 10/22, Taurus model 941(.22 mag 8 shot revolver) and a Smith & Wesson M&P .45.

[maggiesboy]

no, they are dangerous, just like those third wheeled atv's from the 70's and 80's :D

[edog]

no, they are dangerous, just like those third wheeled atv's from the 70's and 80's :D

You beat me 2 it!!!!

To many to list!!!!!!!!!

[oOGoFastOo]

I have Remington model 700, in 300 WSM caliber stainless with laminate stock, Savage .17 HMR stainless with synthetic stock, Ruger 10/22 stainless with laminate stock that matches my 300, and a H&R pardner Pump 12ga shotgun that is all black with a synthetic stock.

[wheelie king]

Glocks in every caliber...

Too many long guns to list.

Some pocket rockets......

just to name a few:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:

[Gearheadtom]

12ga single shot CIL break barrel, .32 Win Special Model 94, single shot .22 (some German make), and a 16ga Cooey single shot break barrel. I'm a Canadian gun-owner, thats almost a oxymoron.

[Groundworx]

Glocks in every caliber...

Too many long guns to list.

Some pocket rockets......

just to name a few:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:


I shot a Glock 22, 40S&W a couple of days ago. That gun has a very smooth action. I will be getting one of these soon. I went to a gun show a couple of weeks ago with intentions of getting a Glock, but I came across my Smith and Wesson for a price I couldn't turn down. I will have a Glock very soon.

Which Glock is your favorite???

[Tri-Z Pilot]

Marlin 22 bolt, Winchester 30-30 lever, 50 cal muzzle loader, savage bolt action 12 gauge, uplander side by side 12 gauge, and a wasr-10 ak47 with blonde furniture.

Hey Wheelie king, I got a question. About 4 years ago I was processed for small amount marajuana and paraphenalia, and my record was exponged with a section 17. Will I run into any problems gettin a CLEO to sign an FFL form to get a tax stamp for an SBR or SBS? I really want to get these bad boys

[Tri-Z Pilot]

I'm also going through a DUI conviction too, but that will be exponged after ARD. I'm pretty sure the State Police still keep records of this stuff though. Thats why I'm wondering If these past charges are going to be a problem.

[super90]

Hey Wheelie king, I got a question. About 4 years ago I was processed for small amount marajuana and paraphenalia, and my record was exponged with a section 17. Will I run into any problems gettin a CLEO to sign an FFL form to get a tax stamp for an SBR or SBS? I really want to get these bad boys

I never had any problems :D The serbu is well worth the cash and wait. Oh and the serbu is considered a AOW (any other weapon) the tax stamp is 5 bucks!

[J.D.]

Hmm ok...I'm still kinda new to guns, I thought the law was a shotgun has to be 26'' overall length? How do they get around that with the Super Shorty?

[piroguedog]

Lets start a new thread on this and post some pics of our guns here.

[piroguedog]

M1 Garand 30.06
Mosin Nagant M44 7.62x54r
German K98 8mm mauser
Norinco SKS 7.62x39
Romanian Champion pistol 7.62x39
Remington model 700 BDL .270
Benjamin .22 cal pellet rifle
Walther P22 with walther laser
Ruger P95DC 9mm
Benelli Nova 12ga
Remington 870 wingmaster 12ga
Boito 20ga SBS (S.S. Kresch & co.)
Central Arms Co. # 512 12ga (Shapleigh’s Hardware)
H&R 20ga Topper #58
Revelation 12ga bolt action (western Auto)
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[super90]

Hmm ok...I'm still kinda new to guns, I thought the law was a shotgun has to be 26'' overall length? How do they get around that with the Super Shorty?

The legal limit is 18''. You have to pay to get a short barrel shotgun, legally that is.

[wheelie king]

I'm pretty sure the State Police still keep records of this stuff though. Thats why I'm wondering If these past charges are going to be a problem.


Yes, even expunged records are accessible. Will you have any problems? The short answer is "it depends". If the records are expunged, or the disposition is not guilty or dismissed/no prosecution/ etc., then still it should not be a problem. If you have nto been convicted of a violent crime or misdemeanor of domestic violence and can still LEGALLY buy a gun, you should be able to get resistered for a SBR . All the feds really want it your $ and your info.

Back on the guns, I simply love the glock 23, which is the midsize .40. I own one personally and have one issued to me through my agency. Great weapon. The glock 22 is the full size .40 which is the most carried patrol officer weapon by law enforcement in the US. And for good reason.

Hey P-dog!! I just bought a Mosin Nagant on Wednesday- Numbers match- In darn good shape, with sling, bayonet, ammo pouch, etc... 100 bucks!!!! You shoot yours regularly???? I like that little Walther!!!

Finally- In a previous thread I posted the pick of my new AR-15 that I bought November 5th in celebration of our new empty suit of a leader. I have added some accessories to it since this photo, but I had this one made for me. I had to cheese it up and have the laser engraved initials. I just had to.....:D

[J.D.]

The legal limit is 18''. You have to pay to get a short barrel shotgun, legally that is.

Hmm ok, is that 18'' barrel, or 18'' overall? My understanding was 18'' was the shortest barrel allowed, but it had to be 26'' overall length.

Back to other guns...I bought me a Walther P22 today. Pretty nice little gun, I like it...feels good in my hand and is extremely light! Here's a pic of all my guns....

[super90]

18'' barrel. I would cut it to 18.5 to be safe though. You can have a pistol grip, stock, whatever, as long as the barrel is 18'' or longer.

[Greiver430x]

Lets see....
30-30winchester
savage semi .22
winchester model 54 semi 20 gauge
new england firearms .410
22 smith and wesson
mossberg 20 gauge
thompson hawkens flint lock
and I know its not a gun but I gotta Darton AS300 compound bow. Just had to list it because Its just so devastating to the local deer. lol.
I just sold a stag arms Ar-15 I built, kicking myself for it gonna build another here shortly before Obama screws us.

[brapp]

ok her egoes i have a gun or two lol what ya think?

[Russell 350X]

I got way to many guns in my house to even now what all of them are. Between me and dad we have 3 gun safes, one gun cabnit, and 2 racks full, and some guns kicking around the house we habve no room for. My most recent purchase has been a DPMS AR-15 .223. I'll get pics later..

[piroguedog]

"Hey P-dog!! I just bought a Mosin Nagant on Wednesday- Numbers match- In darn good shape, with sling, bayonet, ammo pouch, etc... 100 bucks!!!! You shoot yours regularly???? I like that little Walther!!!"

Yeah they have been pretty plentiful and cheap. I have the PU mount, a turned down bolt, and a custom cocking ring. I love to shoot it. They are heavy, Loud and accurate with a helluva punch. Oh, the triggers are really heavy. I would recommend a trigger replacement. Try Huber concepts for that and the ebay for the bolt handle and cocking Ring. Mines a 1947 izhevsk M44. I like my p22 as well. I'd love to have a real silencer on it. that would be sweet. I hear that on a 22, all you hear is the slide open and close.

[The Goat]

Pirogue I may have built one a few years ago for the rifle.

Mine was only a single chamber... So initially you only heard the click of the firing pin and a sound a lot like a richochet but a lower tone. But since it was only the one chamber, you would hear the gunshot reverberate off the nearest large obstacle, sounding like the shot came from over there.

I think it's 150 with ATF to legally have a silenced gun.

Many plans available online, the best designs seem to be stacked drilled cones inside of the tube.

Mine was large, 14 long 2 inch pipe... High temp PVC filled with steal wool and grease, small drilled pipe inside, and whole wrapped in duct tape in case of a blockage and explosion.

You could hear the firing pin click, very cool. I always wanted to do a mini14 like that. Cut down barrel with 18 inch can on it.

[wheelie king]

Bwaaahhaaa!!

Brapp cheated and put a pellet rifle in his pic. :eek:

Just kidding, bro.

There is some idiot in the classifieds today in my local paper trying to fetch $1500 for a hungarian AK that has NOTHING on it. Just the gun- factory stock, no optics, one mag, etc. Trying to benefit from the obama hype I guess. It blows my mind to see what people will ask for stuff- and for that matter- what people will PAY!!

What are chinese SKS rifles going for around you guys' areas?????? $$$????? Have you seen a jump on them????

[Russell 350X]

Bwaaahhaaa!!

Brapp cheated and put a pellet rifle in his pic. :eek:

Just kidding, bro.

There is some idiot in the classifieds today in my local paper trying to fetch $1500 for a hungarian AK that has NOTHING on it. Just the gun- factory stock, no optics, one mag, etc. Trying to benefit from the obama hype I guess. It blows my mind to see what people will ask for stuff- and for that matter- what people will PAY!!

What are chinese SKS rifles going for around you guys' areas?????? $$$????? Have you seen a jump on them????




Anywhere from 100 to 350$ around here.

[Gearheadtom]

So far I'm the only Canadian on here with any guns, and the best I have is one manual repeater, and the rest are single shots.

[dickieg89]

I picked this guy up today. ruger carbine 40s&w. The rest of the kids will be photographed shortly.

[Billy Golightly]

Marlin 22 bolt, Winchester 30-30 lever, 50 cal muzzle loader, savage bolt action 12 gauge, uplander side by side 12 gauge, and a wasr-10 ak47 with blonde furniture.

Hey Wheelie king, I got a question. About 4 years ago I was processed for small amount marajuana and paraphenalia, and my record was exponged with a section 17. Will I run into any problems gettin a CLEO to sign an FFL form to get a tax stamp for an SBR or SBS? I really want to get these bad boys



Do a search for "Gun Trust". You'll bypass A LOT of the red tape and don't need the CLEO sign-off.

[piroguedog]

Haven't seen any Norinco's go for less than 300. There are less of them around since theyre no longer imported. There are plenty of Yugos around for cheaper though. I don't know about 100 though. I'd like a soviet.

Oh, and I have a pellet rifle in my collection too!!!!!! Stop clownin'. Nearly cut the tip of my left middle finger off with that thing when I was about 10! We go way back!

Cabre, I have thought about the home made cans, but I'd like a nice threaded $300 dollar one.

[piroguedog]

like this
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[Russell 350X]

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/100_2078.jpg
these are my guns, not including my dads.

National Smallbore Match Camp Perry OH, 2005

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/CampPerry05-2.jpg

New toy:naughty: :naughty:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/100_2079.jpg

[Groundworx]

Not to jump off topic, I went to a gun show today. We have about 2 a month here in OKC. I go to a lot of them, but this one was a joke. I basically paid $10 to get into a flea market with like 2 gun tables. Those tables were the regulars too. I have already seen thier guns and thier prices. Some of these shows are a joke.

Hey Wheelie King, I am really wanting one of the Glocks. Does the 23 shoot as well and as smooth as the 22? After I shot that one, I have really been looking for one.

[wheelie king]

Hey Wheelie King, I am really wanting one of the Glocks. Does the 23 shoot as well and as smooth as the 22? After I shot that one, I have really been looking for one.

YES> it is a great meduim frame pistol that still gives you 13 rounds of .40 cal. I friggin LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:) :) :)


Also on the SBR- Ditto what Billy said. Look into forming a trust. I did.:p

Dickie- WHERE did you find that Ruger Carbine and HOW MUCH???? That is slick, brotha! I have a Kel-Tec SUB 2000 in .40 but would love one of those Rugers........................

[BigGreenMachine]

Stevens 200 in .22-250 with a Leupold VX-III 4.5-14X50 scope.

Also have a Lee Enfield and will be buying my fathers collection of firearms once I complete my RPAL.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3864/img3647eh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[brappette]

Well I can tell you that after working for a courthouse and dealing with criminal cases I know that your record to TOTALLY wiped clean if the charge has been expunged. If not then you can get things taked care of if not.......Let me know if you need help on that one.....




I'm also going through a DUI conviction too, but that will be exponged after ARD. I'm pretty sure the State Police still keep records of this stuff though. Thats why I'm wondering If these past charges are going to be a problem.

[The Goat]

any skill with a welder or access to something to rethread and you can make something fairly nice.

mine held up pretty well...for a while.

[J.D.]

Just got another one last night, Remington 11-87 Sportsman, 12 guage semi auto...black. Pretty nice gun....got to find some time to go shoot it now!

[Lomax]

I have a few guns, my camera was at the store so it is packed away. If I find it soon then i will take some pics but the collection includes
Pistols
Desert Eagle .357
Smith and Wesson 9mm Model 59
Omega .22 revolver
Shotguns
Winchester Ranger 12ga
Winchester Semi Auto 20ga (dont know the model)
Mossberg .410
Mossberg 12ga
Rifles
Marlin semi auto .22
Marlin 444 lever action
Marlin 45-70 Gov. Lever action
Remington 270 pump
22 magnum (dont even know the brand

I have a few other guns, couple single shot shotguns, I think i fogot a rifle or 2 but thats the basic collection
-Will

[Groundworx]

Glocks in every caliber...

Too many long guns to list.

Some pocket rockets......

just to name a few:naughty: :naughty: :naughty:


Do you know anything about the Glock 20c 10mm? I have an opportunity to get one of these on a trade towards a quad. Don't know anything about it. It is basically new, has about 50 rounds through it, has and extra mag and the case as well. What do you think it is worth? Anyone?

[Greiver430x]

Just bought this bad boy:D

[The Goat]

Do you know anything about the Glock 20c 10mm? I have an opportunity to get one of these on a trade towards a quad. Don't know anything about it. It is basically new, has about 50 rounds through it, has and extra mag and the case as well. What do you think it is worth? Anyone?


new they are 649...

used I'd say 450 or so...used is used, even if it's a glock.

that's a might fine revolver to the gent above me.

[wheelie king]

Do you know anything about the Glock 20c 10mm? I have an opportunity to get one of these on a trade towards a quad. Don't know anything about it. It is basically new, has about 50 rounds through it, has and extra mag and the case as well. What do you think it is worth? Anyone?

The 10 mm is an awesome round, and there are even long "hunting barrells" for the glock 10mms (topglock.com , etc). But, the ammo is not as cheap and/or plentiful as some of the other more popular calibers. The "c" feature is the compensated design which there are several schools of thought on. I personally think it is cool and certainly doesn't hurt. Either way, used that's a 450 buck gun, and 600 plus new.

Find out if it is a later generation glock with the finger grooves on the grip, and accessory rail on the frame. The earlier first generation glocks are without the rail and have the grooveless grip. First gens are a bit less desireable. Hell, now that I say that, I am not sure if there were generation one glocks in 10mm.........anyway. And 50 rounds is NOTHING. Just look at, inspect, and FEEL the gun- that will tell the story of what kinda shape it's in.

[piroguedog]

I'm going to the Gonzales Gun show this weekend. There are a few id like to have but am a bit tight right now. I'd like to have a Russian SKS, Yugo AK fixed stock, A Spanish CETME, and a Swiss K31. Those are things that I will get at some point. I'd really like to have an H&K SP89 or MP5k as well as a Brugger & Thomet TP-9 but I dont think I'll be dropping that kind of cheese.

[The Goat]

hey pirogue dog, I'm interested in getting a simple ak...not particularly worried about accessories or anything...what are you paying down here for one...or do you have any you would like to sell.

seems I'm always working on the days of the gun shows.

[The Goat]

or an sks...since they are apparently cheaper.

[wheelie king]

AKs are cool and all, and I really prefer the Hungarian ones. BUT...... the Chinese Norinco SKS rifles are much better made and just as easy to accessorize in my opinion. Goat, you are right- can't go wroing with a Norinco for the $. You can get them with the factory wood stock, bayonet, all matching numbers, and in new or excellent condition for around 350. All kinds of aftermarket stuff- I got a Tapco stock with a foregrip and 20 round polymer mags on one of mine. It's a good shooter without the "stamp steel" AK feel. Good luck.

[The Goat]

like I said though, I have to find someone willing to pick one up.

at jims firearms we're talking 600 and up for anything nice.

I did see a sexy ass bullpup .223 the other day...1179$ target barrel, no sights, non-milspec trigger

[piroguedog]

Swiss K31
73756
Spanish CETME
73757
YUGO
73758
Brugger & Thomet
73760
SP89
73755
MP5K
73759
In order of ascending Bank Ache.

[300rman]

18'' barrel. I would cut it to 18.5 to be safe though. You can have a pistol grip, stock, whatever, as long as the barrel is 18'' or longer.

you can legally own a super-short shotgun....but it takes the same permits as having a silencer or fully automatic weapons.

as for the SKS, i have shot a few. they seem cheap, chinsey, and not-so-well built.
the AK has its reputation for a reason........

[piroguedog]

hey pirogue dog, I'm interested in getting a simple ak...not particularly worried about accessories or anything...what are you paying down here for one...or do you have any you would like to sell.

seems I'm always working on the days of the gun shows.

The cheapest one these days is the Romanian WASR10. THey lack the dimple in the reciever on each side over the mag well. They have chrome lined barrels and are supposedly just as relieable. They are usually around $350. You can order one from jgsales.com or classicarms.com and just pay b/t 30 and 50 extra for a transfer fee for having it shipped to someone with a dealer lic. I never met an AK i didn't like. The SKS is a very reliable weapon as well but its not an AK. Every piece of a stamped AK is usually interchangeable with everyother stamped AK. ie: mags, furniture, etc.
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[piroguedog]

as for the SKS, i have shot a few. they seem cheap, chinsey, and not-so-well built.
the AK has its reputation for a reason........

That same chinsey and cheap quality is why the AK has that rep as well as the SKS. It is their simple,cheap, and loose fit and function that makes the AK never stop. Cheap stamped sheet metal and plywood. The SKS is actually less chinsey, heavier, with a tighter fitting reciever. Neither are a thing of beauty or craftsmanship and the surplus AK is the cheapest. Not to mention that the 7.62x39 round is one of the great things about both guns. Its pretty amazing what ive seen in comparison to the .223. Wish I could pick up another tomorrw. I'd really like a YUGO or Polish or Bulgarian AK.

[piroguedog]

Just got back from the gunshow. There were a couple nice AKs in the 600 range. THe cheapos that are usually around 350 were jacked up to about 700. The one I wanted that usually runs about 700 was 1200. There are still dealers that are in line with reasonable values. Its just amazing how people try to capitalize on peoples fear of what King oBAMA may do. I went to a couple of local gunshops before and after to have current price expectations and it was only at the "show" where you are supposed to get a bargain that the prices were way inflated. Even with a t/f fee it is worth it to order online or over the phone.

[300rman]

I got an all black AK-47 made with ALL-AMERICAN components (stamped CLEVELAND,OHIO on the reciever)

heres the pix!

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n313/NightBiker07/101_1017.jpg

[piroguedog]

that's real nice.

[yyz4208@aol.com]

Heres my ak bought about a year ago for $380 on sale have not even fired it once took it out of the box cleaned it checked it and put it back away for when the SHTF Attached Thumbnails

[Billy Golightly]

Heres an SKS that I'll be getting here in just a few days. (Picture attached)


Eventually I want to get one of these fiber stocks like this one for it:

http://www.buymilsurp.com/images/SKSDRAGSTOCKATI.jpg

[Jim mac]

My romy underfolder with chinese drum.
If your looking for a AK, go to gunco.net, check out the classifies, some guys are usually selling romy kits for around 300 bucks. the reciever flat and compliance parts are less than a 100 bucks.
Im going to be building a Yugo milled underfolder soon. Bought the kit, the 922 compliance parts. Just waiting for the repair plate to show up in the mail. jim

[harryredtrike]

have many,no pics at the moment.

[The Goat]

Picked up 4k rounds today... Shhh don't tell anyone.

[wheelie king]

You can still get 7.62 x39 plentiful and relatively cheap if you know where to look. The .223 is what is really killing me. Finding bulk .223 ballistic tips or HPs is just not happening..........

[The Goat]

.22 LR and .40 is killing me. 14 dollars a box for 550 rounds... and 34.99 for 100 rounds for the .40.

a buddy wants to go shoot this week so he can decide what he likes, and I'm honestly going to have to make him buy a box of bullets...things are getting pricey.

I get to guide someone in their pistol choice... it's quite fun.

either the taurus (glock style), the glock, the S&W Sigma like I have, or the springfield XD.

I'm prolly going to push him toward either the .357, .40, or .45. Sorry, but in the words of borat "everyone know that Ipod nano(9mm) is for girls!"

my only stipulations are no visible hammer...and he has to buy a lock box at time of purchase (he has a 1.5 year old daughter). He also has to purchase at least 20 rounds of quality ammo.

The XD is nice, but it has too many damned safeties on it...the sigma is the opposite, the only safety is the trigger.

If I'm drawing on a baddy, the last thing I want to think about is if I'm holding the gun the right way to activate all the safeties.

[badasskfx]

i have an xd. if your not holding the gun right you should not fire!
the safty on them are idiot proof!

[wheelie king]

The Sigma is a OK gun at best. and there is more than one safety. There are 2 other passive safeties, but ultimately like the glock, the final safety is yer finger. I own both the sigma and numerous glocks. The glock is far superior for sure. I believe Spring XD is a FANTASTIC weapon as well, and can be had for reasonable if you want to hunt a bit for it.

Goat, where are you paying more than 9 bucks for a 550 round value pack of .22? Wal-mart by me has the Federal 550 for under 10 bucks and the Winchester 333 round value pack for like 6 bucks...............

[The Goat]

i have an xd. if your not holding the gun right you should not fire!
the safty on them are idiot proof!

you never know what sort of situation you may find yourself in...firing off hand at an angle is VERY difficult to do quickly with the XD. for example if you were knocked down and scooping your gun up off of the ground...a very rare chance of happening, but I have no children in my house, or anyone else who doesn't understand weapons...and NO ONE goes in my glove box besides myself, as a result, I'm fine with having a pistol that is not idiot proof.



Wheelie do you have the new style or the old style sigma? the old style with the 15 round clips are unfortunately...CRAP.

If you take the new style, have a trigger job done to it...they are a JOY to shoot.

The ergonomics are superior to the glock if your hands are larger. My hands are nearly five inches wide...and 10.5 inches from pinky tip to thumb tip...I find myself trying to fit A LOTTA hand...on a tiny pistol. The XD is actually much larger than both...but I have issues with the placement of the trigger guard.

The stock pull on the sigma is a chore...but with the job, it's great. I've fired upwards of 3k rounds through this beast since I bought it...I limp wristed an entire 100 box to try to stovepipe one...I couldn't. It's a much better gun than I originally thought I purchased. In my hunt for accessories for it, I've found a couple of GLOCK owners who have also been converted. Am I bashing the glock...Nope, my next pistol will likely be a Glock in a .357...but I bought this Sigma expecting a run of the mill piece of crap...and I have been VERY surprised with it's performance. Just have to ditch the stock sites as well as the stock trigger.

when you do so...you're about 100 higher than retail, and you have a weapon that shoots like something quite a few times the price. I may just be in love with it the way I was in love with the old Beretta's...but this thing is a peach.

as for the ammo...prices around here have nearly DOUBLED in the last two years on that .22 stuff. I used to pay 6 bucks a box for remington 550. Now I'm paying 14 dollars a box for federal... IT AIN'T RIGHT

[wheelie king]

I have an older sigma SW9VE in 9mm (obviously...by the"9" in the model #) with the factory 17 round mags.....what trigger job do you have- custom by a g'smith or a commercial drop in job??? I agree. I have huge hands and the sigma has an EXCELLENT FEEL- but I cannot get past the trig.............

Last glock I bought was the full size .357 sig- model 31. LOVING IT.

[dickieg89]

i bought a ruger pc4 a couple weeks ago with the 20 rd and 2, 10 round clips, hopefully i can get to shoot it this weekend.

[The Goat]

head to a gunsmith...trigger job is cheap... mine is right around 2.8 pounds...it's like BUTTER. I think it was 60 bucks or so.

The original sigma was smith and wesson "trying" to copy the glock... the new sigma is after they paid glock off and basically MADE a glock. lol...guy over at the tire place the other day was a retired trooper, he noticed the magazines in the door when he was pulling my car around.

He asked to check out the gun, I let him pull the slide off, and he couldn't believe how similar it was to a glock...when I told him they retail for 299...he left for lunch as soon as he got through talking to me.

funny part is, as light as that sigma trigger is now...it has NOTHING on that S&W target pistol I bought, the trigger pull is heavier on the target pistol, but has hardly any pull, I can pound off 10 shots in a little over a second.

[TexFest]

Here's my Taurus .45 i just bought

[Torpedo]

Ive got three...

1- My first. .22LR made to look like an M1 Garrand. Got it for Christmas when i was about 12.

2- Chinese Mauser .308

3- Jewel of the collection, defender of the homestead, and only one worth a photo.

Saiga 12...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Whorepedo/saiga2.jpg

[smvorndran]

I worry about posting what I have on the web since Obama's henchmen may be knocking on my door asking for them. I have some nice ones, now I wish I just had about 2 tons more ammo.

smvorndran

[Torpedo]

I worry about posting what I have on the web since Obama's henchmen may be knocking on my door asking for them.

I thought about that when i was posting....


What i meant to say was - these are the guns that i had but just sold to a gentleman at a gun show last weekend for cash. :beer

[J.D.]

Those Saiga 12's are sweet. How's it shoot? I haven't had the pleasure yet.

[Torpedo]

Those Saiga 12's are sweet. How's it shoot? I haven't had the pleasure yet.

Pretty much like any other shotgun with a couple of differences.

magazines are picky about loading. if you dont get it just right youll be there all day trying to get it to lock in.

the recoil is much more than a typical 12 ga. Before the Saiga i had a Mossberg 500 and the Saiga kicks like a mule in comparison. the Saiga is much lighter than most shotguns ive handled, so that could be where its coming from. There was quite a long gap between owning my mossberg and owning the Saiga so perception could also be skewed.

[piroguedog]

Hey, Cabrie, you find a Kalashnikov yet?

[The Goat]

Nothing but work...

I'm ready to pick one up, but funds are a little tight for a while. 3 weeks or so.

Mais chien, j'vu lui.

I love Cajun French... Those two words equate a full sentence in French standard

[The Goat]

Interested in a trade for a nice one for a 200x with new black plastics seat and tank that needs a battery and brakes installed? All new bearings seals, new motor, new cables, new everything, sweet runner in under an hour. I have the brakes too... And a tin of parts.

It's taking up too much room in the shop. I want my big bear, 350x, a 70, and either a 500 or a lt250r.

Please rescue this x for an ak.

[tri-Z ripper]

Hell AKs up here go for around $300 and up to $600 so you must not have much into that X or AK are alot more money down there! the price of ARs has jumped like crazy from $600 to now like $1200 and up! and they are still back ordered for like 6 months to a year! hows that and i even have a friend that owns stag arms a producer of the AR and i still have to wait!!!

[The Goat]

more pike I have 1200 or so into that x, I'm just tired of looking at it. I want less bikes. First 700 or really nice ak takes it.

Come on chien you know you want an x. Preferably something like 300r man's

[300rman]

You can still get 7.62 x39 plentiful and relatively cheap if you know where to look. The .223 is what is really killing me. Finding bulk .223 ballistic tips or HPs is just not happening..........


i'd like to know where to look for that 7.62........

[wheelie king]

Sportsmans Guide had some good deals on bulk 7.62X39 up until about 1 month ago, now they are backordered or not available.

I think I got 640 rounds for under 200 delivered (?) Not that bad, I didn't think.

Anyone here have the S&W M and P pistol in .45? What do the M and P owners think about these.......????????

[Meat-BoX]

Heres what I got. Looking for a rifle for up to camp in the Adirondaks:w00t:

[300rman]

Sportsmans Guide had some good deals on bulk 7.62X39 up until about 1 month ago, now they are backordered or not available.

I think I got 640 rounds for under 200 delivered (?) Not that bad, I didn't think.

Anyone here have the S&W M and P pistol in .45? What do the M and P owners think about these.......????????


http://ammoman.com/index.htm

they are cheaper yet, but they recently SOLD OUT......and havent got more in yet.

[The Goat]

2 .40 135 grain Pwrballs did not stop an armadillo in his tracks...he was able to run quite a ways away.

makes me wonder about there affect against a meth head now.

[J.D.]

Sportsmans Guide had some good deals on bulk 7.62X39 up until about 1 month ago, now they are backordered or not available.

I think I got 640 rounds for under 200 delivered (?) Not that bad, I didn't think.

Anyone here have the S&W M and P pistol in .45? What do the M and P owners think about these.......????????

I've got the M&P 45, love it.

[wheelie king]

Thanks JD-

Good to hear, I can get one cheap and am considering........

[J.D.]

How cheap? Mine was 580 out the door brand new. I'd highly recommend it to anybody...I love the way it fits in my hand, and it's extremly easy to take down and clean.

[hancadam]

I bought this over the weekend. Its a Taurus PT111 9mm pro.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1504/pt111.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pt111.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7944/pt1112.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pt1112.jpg)

[edog]

I just bought a cross bow rifle. 150 lbs

Goes threw a 1/2" sheet of ply wood easily at 20 yards. Very accurate!!!!

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/100_0760.jpg
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/100_0759.jpg

[Billy Golightly]

I bought this over the weekend. Its a Taurus PT111 9mm pro.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1504/pt111.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pt111.jpg)
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7944/pt1112.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pt1112.jpg)



Very interested to see how you end up liking that side-arm. I damn near bought one of those a few months ago. Keep us posted.

[hancadam]

Will do. I am going to the range this weekend. I will give a report when I get back.

[TexFest]

I have the same Taurus Millenium Pro, looks just like yours, but mines a .45

[J.D.]

My buddy has the Taurus Millenium Pro .45 also...I've shot it off, recoil is a MOTHER on that that. Huge difference between shooting it and my M&P .45. Still though, it's a pretty nice gun. I like the Taurus....I think for the price, and the warranty, you can't beat them.

[wheelie king]

How cheap? Mine was 580 out the door brand new. I'd highly recommend it to anybody...I love the way it fits in my hand, and it's extremly easy to take down and clean.

470 Out the door. I have heard that it fits a large hand well. I got big ol' mitts...

Those taurus milleniums are decent guns and fairly inexpensive, but the >45 ones do kick like a MOTHA.

[J.D.]

Yeah 470 is pretty good. Nice thing about the M&P is the interchangeable backstrap, so it can be made to fit any hand. I wear an XL glove, and I use the smallest backstrap made for it...so there's plenty of room to change up if you have big hands.

[TexFest]

My Taurus .45 was only 329.99 at the gun shop, same price as the Taurus 9mm so I went with the .45 for the same price.

[hancadam]

I paid $365 for my Taurus at the Gun Show.

[Billy Golightly]

The local store here was asking $350 for either the 9mm or the .45 a few months back which I thought was fairly reasonable. I'd probably get a .45 too, the only thing that was a slight turn off was the fact it held 2 less rounds then the 9mm.

[The Goat]

true that. schmee's baby xd holds a round more than my sigma... wierd.

he also has half the freaking recoil...

I'm thinking about a good hammerless revolver next, any thoughts?

[Billy Golightly]

S&W Airweight J-frame in body guard configuration (Not hammerless, but its a concealed hammer) like this maybe? http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=124133846

[The Goat]

whoops...forgot to mention...it has to be fairly bulky... huge hands. also has to be alluminum, polymer, and stainless, I don't do well with blued or gloss black.

not HUGE like a .44 length...but a bulky body

http://www.ammoman.com/guns/NEW/163504_large.jpg

just bulkier in design...but minus a hammer

[300rman]

whoops...forgot to mention...it has to be fairly bulky... huge hands. also has to be alluminum, polymer, and stainless, I don't do well with blued or gloss black.

not HUGE like a .44 length...but a bulky body

http://www.ammoman.com/guns/NEW/163504_large.jpg

just bulkier in design...but minus a hammer


you said you want take down power?

S&M 500 revolver, stick the rounds in a lathe to make some custom hollowpoints......if that doesnt put the hurt on, nothing will.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_500_flickr_szuppo.jpg

[piroguedog]

That 500 is no fun to shoot AT ALL! BUt yeah awesome.

[The Goat]

chien, trade me a good gun for my 200x...come on

or just buy it out right...you know you're a baller. lol

[piroguedog]

I really don't have any one that would be worthy. Actually i have the itch for another AK, maybe yugo or hungarian. I have my hands full with a trimoto 175 project as well. You should trailer that thing to state capital speedway this weekend with a sign on it. Bet you wouldnt have trouble getting a good price for it there either.

[The Goat]

I was having a rather crappy morning...so I decided to treat myself to a new piece.

The .500 was not in stock...or I'd have that...so I went with something a little simpler.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/roundheya/1e62ab85.jpg


Mine has no georgia stamp...quite odd I'm told...It was the only Glock in the whole place that didn't have it.

my only complaint is that this sucker is TINY

[piroguedog]

40? Hey man, trim those nails. lol

[The Goat]

na, alright got the sigma .40 got this one in a 9.

I trim the nails once a week, nothing more.

I can type faster when they aren't cut into the quick, and it helps when working on stuff. lol.

G19 if I'm not mistaken.

gonna head behind the house tonight and fire off two clips. sure to piss a game warden or two off.

[300rman]

That 500 is no fun to shoot AT ALL! BUt yeah awesome.

yes, but we are looking for a personal protection piece....not something "fun" to shoot. if that 500 with some home-brew hollow points doesnt stop whatever is coming after you........sure it may hurt your hand.....guaranteed to kill whatever you shoot......

[The Goat]

I can fire a 12 gauge 3.5 free hand & off hand...and it doesn't kick. That's a light home defense version as well. I don't see a little ol pistol putting a hurting on me.

[300rman]

I can fire a 12 gauge 3.5 free hand & off hand...and it doesn't kick. That's a light home defense version as well. I don't see a little ol pistol putting a hurting on me.

dont kid yourself.....the 500 is a cannon.....ever take one of the rounds out of the box and look at it? it makes a .44 look like a joke.

[The Goat]

I wouldn't kid myself...I've never shot any gun where recoil was an issue.

I'd say the biggest issue with the 500 series is that the porting makes it LOUD as all get out.

just going by what it felt like in my hand, I'd say it was around 3 pounds or so... that's a fair amount of weight in and of itself.

it's simple physics though...the same amount of force applied to a larger mass...I'm a larger mass. with my arms extended and held firm, the recoil will be applied to my torso...and there be a lot of torso to go around. lol.

maybe I am kidding myself...but I don't see it being that much stronger kick than a 3.5 with a similar weight gun.

only one way to find out, I'll shoot it and let ya know.

[TravEX]

Goat, what is that stamped on your gun? I have my pen pointing at it.



As far as I know, none of mine have ever been stamped there. Did you get it new?

[The Goat]

it's these two symbols...

guy at jim's said he'd never seen anything like it.

I did purchase it new.

notice yours says smyrna georgia on it as well...nowhere that is visable on mine. I did fine a stamp that said GA while cleaning.

Idk what's so different about it besides the lack of markings and the addition of others.

he did say it makes it a little more rare 20 years down the line if I were to sell it, which I never will of course...guns don't get sold.

[TravEX]

I'm calling around and shopping for an AR15 tomorrow, I've decided to stock up while I can. I told my wife I'm taking the credit card and please don't ask questions when I come home, hehe. I did an inventory of guns and ammo tonight in case of an emergency, and need to add some to feel comfortable.

I will probably pick up another Glock tomorrow too, never enough Glocks!

[The Goat]

...you're gonna call me crazy, ask to see the smith and wesson sigma while you're there...

ask to field strip it...you'll be presently surprised.

the only problem with it is the trigger pull...heavy as a MULE

when I got this newest glock, I had already shot both the glock and the sigma...I got the glock, mainly because I didn't have one yet....and the smith was ragging on the taurus about something to do with the metal...idk.

point being. the glock is going in my nightstand...the sigma is staying in the console. That should tell you my opinion of the sigma. Recoil is noticably greater with the .40 sigma... but when you're firing fast at a target, recoil means jack.

[300rman]

im not saying it isnt nothing you couldnt handle, Goat, but i think you may be surprised at the kick by that monster.

[TravEX]

I just got back from the gun shop. I picked up a Colt A3. It was the only AR15 he had left. I grabbed it while there are still some to grab.

[Russell 350X]

I just got back from the gun shop. I picked up a Colt A3. It was the only AR15 he had left. I grabbed it while there are still some to grab.



They are going fast, those AR's. When I bought mine, the dealer had ordered 12 DPMS AR's, all were already being paid for by customers before they had even arrived, one including me.

Once I get my pistol permit finished, I'm ordering a Springfield XD(M) in .40cal. Or a Glock in .40cal, more leaning too the XD tho.....

[TravEX]

Yeah, I had planned to buy an AR last year. The Bushmaster Varminter was what I was wanting, but I love the Colt, it's the LE Tactical Carbine.

Good luck finding a Glock, they are going faster than the AR's down here. I was gonna pick up another Glock yesterday, none.

[The Goat]

that's wierd, they have a ton of both ars and glocks, then again jims is huge

[tri-Z ripper]

Yup No AR's left up here over a six month waiting period and i know one of the owners of stag arms he cant even get me one nevermind prices have doubled in less then a year as well!!

[TravEX]

that's wierd, they have a ton of both ars and glocks, then again jims is huge

Like I said, here, none. The only way they get any ar's in is if they order 20 or 30, which knock's most dealers here in NE Arkansas out. When the shipment comes in, they are gone that day. The dealers that can afford to order that many just have open orders of backorders, cause he said they just show up, could be days, weeks, or monthes before his large orders are delivered.

Next time your in there, ask him when his supplies are low, how long till he gets more in?

Buy em while you can. Prices are gonna soar!

[TravEX]

I've bought 2 walmarts out of 223 and 40 ammo, which isn't saying much, the ammo shelves are almost empty. I got a strange look from another customer the other day, I asked the clerk for some 40 cal shells, she asked which ones, I said "all off em"! hehe

[aaron7]

I don't currently own any as I live in MA (almost impossible to get a permit here) but here's my friend's AK47 with my modest collection of booze lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/aaron7/DSC02027-Copy.jpg

[The Goat]

hey travex, I've never been in there when they didn't have at least 10-15 on display...

hell the other day when I was getting my glock, a guy was in there and picked two of them up for 1999$ a piece.

I can't justify that....

[wheelie king]

hell the other day when I was getting my glock, a guy was in there and picked two of them up for 1999$ a piece.

I can't justify that....

2 grand for WHAT again? An AR-15?

It better be platinum! Holy cow!

[The Goat]

I heard the words bushmaster and $1995 apiece... looked like an ar15 to me.

also, the mystery markings on my glock were figured out. It means they were assembled in austria. People are buying so many they are trying to take the pressure off of georgia while keeping the numbers up.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/roundheya/474546b9.jpg


bought some stuff for around the house.

[wheelie king]

Nice glock- Is that the factory glock mag or the scherer brand?

2 grand for a bushmaster is friggin crazy unless it's pimped with optics and some upgrades. Well, hysteria equals spending, I guess.

[The Goat]

factory mag for the 17 and....34 maybe.

works fine in the 19 too.

I'm debating getting that laser that replaces the guide rod...BUT I was talking to the guys at baton rouge police supply...creates reliability issues...the plastic stock piece is superior to the metal it seems.

I have to quit buying guns...I know that much.

all I need now is an 8 shot 870 and an AR...and then I'm complete.

here's a question...Jim's has 9x21 as opposed to 9x19... won't work in these will it? it's nearly 600 more ft/sec


I didn't think the 2 grand price tag was that much, ridiculous and beyond my means, but not that much. They have new barrels for them next to the glocks and those are 799$...I thought that was just run of the mill prices.

[Billy Golightly]

I'd REALLY like to get a Saiga 12 as my next weapon, or another AR. But that is going to be awhile.


hey Greg, I got to put some rounds through that SKS finaly over the weekend. What a hoot, I like it. Needs a non-chinamen sized stock on it though :lol:

[Russell 350X]

2 grand for a bushmaster is friggin crazy unless it's pimped with optics and some upgrades. Well, hysteria equals spending, I guess.



That is nuts for a AR. I saw a regular 20" bushmaster at a local gunshow go for 1700.....not flattop regular sights, no quadrail, plain old AR. I thought that was crazy..

I got my DPMS 16", colaspable stock, flat top, for 800 and some change...brand new.



How do you like that Glock? I've been debating between that or a XD.

[The Goat]

I like the glock...the 31 round clip is just for jokes and plinking.

It's a little small for my hands (it's the 19 not the 17)...but recoil is nonexistant with the 9mm.

I like it, I don't like it 300 more than my sigma. but the accessories for the glocks are near endless. I like that.

wheelie king knows his glocks...I'm just a guy who reads and then buys what feels best in my hand.

the XD is a nice gun...but it has too many damned external safeties on it for my tastes.... it is SIGNIFICANTLY larger than even my sigma though...so that's one good thing.

[TravEX]

I broke in my Colt A3 AR this afternoon, I like! I ran 110 rds through it, cleaning after each rd for first 10, then after each 10 for the next 100. Made alot of noise took my time with the cleaning. I really love the gun so far. Got my scope mounts coming in tomorrow, I got a Leupold 6x18 that I've had in a drawer for a couple years that I'm gonna put on it, not really my choice of what I would put on an AR, but when ya got a $500 scope laying around, I want it on something. I got some more mags and the handguard tool coming in Thursday.

Has anyone tried the BSA Sweet 223 scope? Kinda cheap, just wondering what you thought about it.

[wheelie king]

I like the glock...the 31 round clip is just for jokes and plinking.

wheelie king knows his glocks...I'm just a guy who reads and then buys what feels best in my hand.




Awww. You're so nice. ;)

That factory glock 30 plus round mag is actually a factory Glock model 18 mag. designed for the full auto 9 mm glocks used for Law Enforcement, Dignitary protection, etc. I got a few....of the mags , I mean......:naughty:

I recommend NOT getting the laser max, which is the one that replaces the rod. Check into the crimson trace lasergrips if you MUST have a laser. CT lasergrips can be had for about 180 bucks.

The ammo used in that 9mm glock NEEDS to be marked 9X19, and/or 9mm parabellum, and be factory commercially loaded ammo. Using reloads in a glock will VOID the warranty. That would suck.......

Billy- glad to hear that SKS is good, What a great rifle, man- I tell ya.

Trav- I have a BSA model RD 30 red dot on my AR and I love it!!!! it was like 30 bucks and is made as a .22 rimfire application, but handles recoil well and is not too big- not too small. It has a 30 mm recticle and 11 different brightness settings. I put it on there just to goof around and kept it!!!!!

[TravEX]

Thanks, wheelieking, I was wondering if that would work too. That will be great for tinkering and leaving on there in the off season (hunting).

I need a 1" riser to get over the front sight, right? I'm headed to walmart today for baby stuff, and will treat myself to 'daddy' stuff too, hehe.

[wheelie king]

I need a 1" riser to get over the front sight, right?

Sorry for the delay in response, but YES. If I remember correctly, you have a flat top AR with a rail for optics. Mine has an A2 upper with a fixed handle and i have a tri-rail that's mounted to the handle. Allows for use of the iron sights and the scope. :D :D

[edog]

Get a Colt AR-15/ They are the best. Worth every penny.

[edog]

Here is my 44 Special Charter Arms 2000 Bulldog Pug.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/100_3560.jpg
First time shooting it.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/th_100_3561.jpg (http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/?action=view&current=100_3561.flv)
454 Casuall Thomson Center Encore
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/scan0002.jpg

Here is my recent purchase. A Crossbow
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h196/edog_02/100_0760.jpg

I am looking at purchasing a 7X62 54R this summer and convert it to a sniper rifle. And would also like to purchase a new SKS. Hasn't been fired. I used to have one.:(

[TravEX]

Here's my Colt after I installed the scope. I got 1" tactical rings. Leupold 6x18 Vari-X 3 that I've had for years. I took it off last night and put the carry handle back on, I picked up that red dot wheelie recommended. I'm gonna get a carry handle mount and use the red dot most of the time, and put the scope on there for deer season, I can't wait to smoke a deer with it!


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/TravisLillard/IMG_0316.jpg

[TravEX]

Get a Colt AR-15/ They are the best. Worth every penny.

10-4.......

[edog]

Here's my Colt after I installed the scope. I got 1" tactical rings. Leupold 6x18 Vari-X 3 that I've had for years. I took it off last night and put the carry handle back on, I picked up that red dot wheelie recommended. I'm gonna get a carry handle mount and use the red dot most of the time, and put the scope on there for deer season, I can't wait to smoke a deer with it!


http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/TravisLillard/IMG_0316.jpg

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

[wheelie king]

Trav- That's a sweet looking Colt. I seriously cannot believe the prices they are fetching amid all this hype. Dang.

Anyway, I just picked up a GLOCK 36, which is the compact, single stack .45 ACP. I love this thing- got it this week from one of those right place at the right time "I need money" situations that a co-worker of mine is in. Has a new holster with it and trijicon night sights. ONly been shot a few times, with an estimated less than 200 rounds through it.

Saweeeet!!!!!!:)

[TravEX]

Thanks wheelie. Congrats on the Glock. You can never go wrong with a Glock!

I hit a gun show today, I've never seen so many shotguns! There were only a few Glocks there and they looked like they had been dragged there! Really crappy looking, but I'm sure mechanically fine. There were only 4 AR's and an AK, none of which I flipped out over. One of the AR's was tricked out with new upper, it had a 20" bull fluted barrel and a cheap ass scope on it. The only thing I picked up were 2 more 30 round mags. A guy had about 7000 rds of Wolf ammo for $450 a 1000, but I have plenty of ammo now, plus the Wolf shoots a little dirty.

I got my carry handle rail in today and put one of my red dots on it, I really like it like that. It looked like it sits up too high, but I shouldered it and made a pass through of the house and it was really comfortable, just right for sweeping a room. I'll go get it and post a pic for ya. I am going to have a buddy take the front sight off, I think I will prefer it that way, and I am not a iron sight guy. I rarely shoot without an optic on a rifle.

[TravEX]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/TravisLillard/IMG_0338.jpg

[The Goat]

sweet

hey nights sites over here are 69$ plus tax installed, but I got a question for ya.... how do you feel about the original sites when firing with a lite on the end?

this U and . seems superior to the night sites.... when I riase the gun up I'm always looking at front sight anyways... old habits. and a good habit judging by groups.

granted I've never shot the block with night sights, but my sigma is set up like that and I can't aim it worth a damn past 50 feet or so.

I need a review on these sucks by someone who has actually had to use them in a stress situation.

the most stressful thing the guys at jims and baton rouge police supply have done in the last six months is find their junk in the morning when peeing.

[wheelie king]

That red dot setup looks exactly like what I got, Trav. You got the carry handle scope mount that I got, it looks like. I really like it, have I mentioned that????:lol:

On the whole night sights thing, they're OK, I actually prefer the factory glock sights. I have shot a bunch in low light situations, and actually been involved in stressful firearms situations in low light/darkness. The most notable situation I was involved in was more of a "nosepoint" , and not taking the time to "aim" per se, but rather a muscle-memory kinda directional shot. I hope that makes sense, but without demonstrating, that's the best I can describe it. Plus, I really don;t wanna go into too much detail here..:eek: :eek:

Anyway, considering that thje majority of shootings and self defense firearms situations happen at 20 feet or less, if you can see your opponent, you can see your sights and/or direct your shot effectively.

I am actually gonna put factory standard glock sights back on my newly purchased Glock 36. But, I sometimes take for granted that have a sight pusher tool and the experience to swap stuff on and off as I like. Hell, I'd take the night sights OFF my agency issued weapon if they'd let me.:rolleyes:

Bottom line, practice and train with different sight and optics, and pick your preference. Only you knows what works for you.

[tri-Z ripper]

Well i just Went gun shopping myself. Picked up a Styer M40-A1 .40 i was trying the XD .40 and .45 as well as the Kahr pm40 but was psyched when i found the used styer i really like the trapazoid sights. And as mentioned earlier in this thread when i went to go pick up some ammo at cabellas there was literally about 25 boxes left of only premium amunition not the stuff for shooting at paper. asked when they would be getting more of the 100 round boxes and nobody could give me an answer! and 9mm ammo is even just as scarce. So we may still have our guns but where is all the ammo?

[The Goat]

blame law enforcement. lol

sorry wheelie it's true, it seems you guys are training more and more.

thanks for the info on the sights... I was hoping I wasn't the only one who preferred the U.

I wanna head to a decnt instructor though... correct mistakes, decrease draw speed.

I know what you mean about muscle memory. used to bang out over 10k rpunds a weekend playing xball. with no sights it was all hand eye.

do y'all fire one handed or two? two seems more accurate while one gives faster shot placement...

[TravEX]

Law enforcement is not causing the ammo shortage, it's us civilians stocking up. Since Nov 5th everyone is stocking up. They say that the Y2K scare was only a drop in the bucket compared to this run on ammo and guns. The small dealers around here have told me that their suppliers of ammo, mainly 223, 9, 40, 380, have told them that if their orders are not currently on backorder, to not place any more orders because they will not even process them for backorder until further notice. One dealer had ordered 200 boxes of 380 shells a couple monthes ago and they sent him 4 boxes and said that was all he would be getting on his order. I know that not all places are like this, yet, but it's coming.

[The Goat]

this reminds me of the same ammo shortage there was two or so years ago....I'd imagine wheelie can attest to the slightly paramilitary nature police forces seem to be taking on.

honestly around here there is no shortage except for 9mm magsafe and glaser...everything else is in stock and staying so.

I grabbed all cabelas had the other night in cheap plain 9mm in brass... the sales guy just came right out of the back with a case and loaded the shelf back up.

.22 is where it is at though... one box of .22 ammo equates food for nearly forever. much less 20 boxes.

anyone want some MREs...I've been slowly stashing cases the last few months.

[wheelie king]

Law enforcement is not causing the ammo shortage, it's us civilians stocking up.

YEP. My agency had to order stuff we did not even want for carry rounds, cause Winchester cannot fill our order because of civilian demand. And, we gotta go with Winchester cause it's on the state contract.

Pretty spooky, nonetheless.

And most agencies may be "training" more with snap caps and situational drills with dry fire, but most are not "shooting" any more, as a general rule. Everyone is feeling the pinch.

Training is key, baby.

Be safe everyone.

[The Goat]

damn...

you gents should take a trip down here for a day...all the ammo you can shake a stick at.

damn, I knew they mandated types of ammo...but brand too? that's just retarded.

[TravEX]

Check and see how much 62 grain 223 ammo they have in any brand on hand? Sporting rds, not FMJ's. I'm stocked up on 55 grain, want some 62's for hunting and defense.

I may be coming down to LaPlace in a few weeks to visit family.

[The Goat]

hell the local walmart has ya covered. I just picked up some federal for the .243 about a week ago.

[BigGreenMachine]

Bought a 870 Express Tactical this morning. 6+1 capacity plus Rem Tactical choke.

[The Goat]

pics of the gun?

is it the marine edition one?

[BigGreenMachine]

None of my actual shotgun as I ordered it from SIR online. Have it in a week and a half.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_express_tactical.asp

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8127/shot09tactical870s.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot09tactical870s.jpg)

[200xman]

Here's a couple of mine. Remington 870 Express Magnum and a 870 Tactical with a Knoxx stock. Both are fairly new and I can say that the Tactical is a better quality hands down. I recently ran about 100 shells through each and the regular 870 failed to feed 3 times. The action is also much smoother. I guess quality isn't what it used to be.

[wheelie king]

I was able to test the remington tactical with the 14.5" barrel, and that was SWEET. The pattern at 15 yards was excellent.

My agency still uses the mossberg 590 with the ghost ring sights. That is also a nice setup, for sure- no complaints here.

NOthing is better for home defense than a GOOD PUMP action scattergun.....;)

[BigGreenMachine]

What load was that with WK?

I'm hoping to find a choke/load combo that will let me shoot out to 50 yards with confidence.

[The Goat]

hell turkey choke and 3 in shells should hanlde that test easily.


the benelli with a full choke throws a pie pan pattern at 175 feet

[BigGreenMachine]

I don't think its going to be hard getting results at 50 yards with BB or #4 buck. Going to use this as my coyote buster. Need to pick up a Carlson's Dead Coyote choke to test out as well. I've been watchin Les on Predator Quest take them down out to 70 yards with a SG and DC choke.

[brapp]

i ahve my old 870 and 00 buckshot for any task i can shake a stick at. but i use the 870 for coyote and the ar15 for coyote with 55 grain when callign them in.

[smvorndran]

A guy bought all the ammo they had at the local farm store two nights ago. They said he spent $60,000.:eek: :eek: :eek:

You guys hear of anything coming into effect really soon? I'm nervous, but I've got enough to defend for a while.

smvorndran

[TravEX]

Prices will continue to go up, and the Clinton bans will be back in place soon. All the crap in the media with guns involved is just fueling the fire.

[tri-Z ripper]

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/100_2077.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/100_2078.jpg
these are my guns, not including my dads.

National Smallbore Match Camp Perry OH, 2005

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/CampPerry05-2.jpg

New toy:naughty: :naughty:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k6/hondaatc185s200e/100_2079.jpg
boy do i love the AR's my favorite looking rifle for sure!

[tri-Z ripper]

her is a picture of my new .40 styer M40-A1
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h265/german0024/steyrm92er3.jpg

[wheelie king]

What load was that with WK?

I'm hoping to find a choke/load combo that will let me shoot out to 50 yards with confidence.


2 3/4 00 Buck Remington low brass with a mod choke.

Kickin' setup;) ;)

[J.D.]

Prices will continue to go up, and the Clinton bans will be back in place soon. All the crap in the media with guns involved is just fueling the fire.

Hmm, funny you mention that. Clinton gets elected, shooting all over the place. When Carter was elected, same thing. Now Obama gets elected, and shootings start happening. Hmmmm, notice a pattern here??????

[TravEX]

Very good point!

[The Goat]

Pennsylvania now has half a case less 9mm...

if the guy would have taken credit they'd be missing an ar...

[brapp]

hey goat i did rember ther eis a atm machine abotu a mile down the road lol

[wheelie king]

Pennsylvania now has half a case less 9mm...

if the guy would have taken credit they'd be missing an ar...

What kind of AR???? If you really want one, contact John Kruger at Anvil Arms down here in Lakeland, FL (www.anvilarms.com). He is really busy just like everyone else, but is not jacking his prices and making people pay for "hype" . Still can get a NICE basic AR out the door for a grand or less. Lets you choose your stocks color, and a few other options.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better.........:rolleyes:

[The Goat]

guys...just found out that my true austrian Glock is built to european specs.

guess what... that means it can shoot loads 30% hotter than the typical 9x19

It is specced to shoot nitro loads...anyone know where I can find some?





also....I may be a few years behind...but I've just discovered podcasts. There are quite a few podcasts that highlight gun laws and review new handguns each week. I'm thinking about getting one of those cheap new pistols with the full blow back slide in a .45.... the damned things are completely unreliable, but have a lifetime warranty. and they are sub 175 bucks.

wheelie...I want one, but money will be short until the 350x is done.

[brapp]

well guys my ears are still ringign from a lil firepower therapy between throwign a few clips trough everything i own and my ears still ringing yeah it isnt a bad day at all lol

[BigGreenMachine]

Patiently waiting for my 870. I should have it early this week. I need to get my RPAL (Canadian Restricted Firearms BS) so I can pick up some pistols. I think a Kimber 1911 .45 ACP is going to be my first.

[hancadam]

I'm thinking about getting one of those cheap new pistols with the full blow back slide in a .45.... the damned things are completely unreliable, but have a lifetime warranty. and they are sub 175 bucks.
.

Are you talking about a Hi-point? If so, they have proven to be very reliable. I bought the .380 version. I have since put about 500 rounds through it without one failure. The only hi-cup it has had is that it failed to load the first round the first time I used a 2nd new mag. It has been flawless every since. My dad has the 9mm, and my brother in-law has the 9mm and .45 as well. Neither have had any issues. Yes they are ugly and heavy, but great shooters. I carry mine in my tackle box and on my bike. I got my permit last week! Woo hoo!!!!!!!!!!

[The Goat]

I want a dryer like the one above in a .45, but they have stopped importation....

yeah I was talking about the hipoint. I've seen a video or two on eBay where the guys are shooting and the slide comes off and hits the person in the face... that'd suck.

idk, I'm slowly liking that 1911, but I want something much more up to date from a technological standpoint...

next is .45, big and slow.

I want hotter loads for the glock... then I'm on to something.

[J.D.]

1911's are badass. Shoot one, you'll understand. They may be "old" technology, but they have been constantly updated through the years and are still being updated. I shot a Springfield Armory 1911 G.I. spec a few weekends back and absolutely fell in love with it, like it MUCH better than my S&W M&P .45.

Also .45 isn't so slow if you step down the bullet size a tad.

[wheelie king]

I want a dryer like the one above in a .45, but they have stopped importation....

yeah I was talking about the hipoint. I've seen a video or two on eBay where the guys are shooting and the slide comes off and hits the person in the face... that'd suck.

idk, I'm slowly liking that 1911, but I want something much more up to date from a technological standpoint...

next is .45, big and slow.

I want hotter loads for the glock... then I'm on to something.

Ahhh, yes. The .45- or as I like to call it, the "flying ashtray"

A 1911 is a fantastic weapon in the hands of someone familiar with the mechanics of the pistol, and capable of handling all the benefits a single action auto offers. For those on a budget, the Taurus PT 1911 can be had for about 600 bucks and was suprisingly nice to shoot. I am a Kimber 1911 man, and hell, I bought a Taurus 1911 cause it shot so nice.

I have a glock 36 in .45 as well. Great weapon, also. I like the concealment capability of it, and it has a good feel in my hand.

Stay safe, everyone:cool:

[Vealmonkey]

My buddys' new toy just arrived. Can you say "20mm"! Anzio Iron Works is the company that built it. He has a bunch of shells and bullets and powder and has to start loading some rounds. This thing ought to pack a punch. He has 2 .50 caliber rifles, one a single shot that you have to remove the bolt each time and the other a clip fed rifle. Those were crazy to shoot, I can't even imagine the 20mm. It is the same length as the .50 cal, but 4 times bigger around! They used the same length as the .50 so the 20mm rounds could fit in the same area as the .50 so they could fit in the wing areas without having to redesign the wings or WW2 airplanes that were fitted with the 20mm cannons in place of the .50 cal guns.
It weighs in the neighborhood of 125 lbs. give or take.

[brapp]

news break a 45 will not penetrate a propane cylinder and it will throw lead and copper back at you !!!!!!! so i gues si am stickin with the 44 or s&w 500 for all out take down punch!

[J.D.]

news break a 45 will not penetrate a propane cylinder and it will throw lead and copper back at you !!!!!!! so i gues si am stickin with the 44 or s&w 500 for all out take down punch!

I'm by no means an expert, but, IMO a .45 is a good personal protection pistol... but no, they don't have anywhere near the power a .44 or S&W 500 does.. Plus the .45 is a little cheaper to shoot than those are.

[wheelie king]

My buddys' new toy just arrived. Can you say "20mm"! Anzio Iron Works is the company that built it. He has a bunch of shells and bullets and powder and has to start loading some rounds. This thing ought to pack a punch. He has 2 .50 caliber rifles, one a single shot that you have to remove the bolt each time and the other a clip fed rifle. Those were crazy to shoot, I can't even imagine the 20mm. It is the same length as the .50 cal, but 4 times bigger around! They used the same length as the .50 so the 20mm rounds could fit in the same area as the .50 so they could fit in the wing areas without having to redesign the wings or WW2 airplanes that were fitted with the 20mm cannons in place of the .50 cal guns.
It weighs in the neighborhood of 125 lbs. give or take.

Whoa. Ok, and help me again here-- WHAT exactly do you do with that???

And truthfully, I cant remember the last time a propane cylinder threatened my life. A .45 is the best personal protection round- period. But I still love my .40, cause the ammo is free (for me :p ).

[The Goat]

lol brapp

a .22 goes through them like butter. a .45 doesn't? wierd.

wheelie I would have expected you to be about the .357 or the 10mm, not the ol .45

I want a .50... 2000ft/lbs of energy... 4 times that of a .45/10mm/9mm/.357

about the same as a 30-06 coming out the barrel.

[ants84olds]

I have a ruger p89 9mm. That was my first pistol purchase. I also have a 22 revolver, a russian m91 7.62x54, a 22 semi auto rifle, a single shot remmington shotgun, and a remmington 870 super mag. I really want a 44 mag but funds are tight right now. I am jealous of some of your guys guns. Living in commifornia puts a damper on the kinds of guns I can get and the price of everything is outrageous. A box of 100 winchester target loads for the 9mm is 20 bucks.

[The Goat]

lol...wanna ship me a case...

I can't get em for that price right now.

[ants84olds]

I cant get them period. I find them every once in a while at walmart. There shelfs are so bare. Ammo is almost non existant there.

[wheelie king]

I do love the .357 sig (auto) and the 10 mm is a good round overall, but the .45 is the best IMO for availability, control, and stopping power (NOT to be confused with penetration-which is not always what you want).

The walmart shelves here are a joke- NO ammo.:mad:

[BigGreenMachine]

Want to elaborate further on the .45 WK? I don't mind a good rant.

I've been stocking up on scattergun ammo to break in the 870 with. Got some hollow point slugs, solid slugs, BB, #00 buck and 300 rounds of cheap skeet shot so far.

[Billy Golightly]

I think If I buy another hand gun anytime soon, its definitely going to be in the .45 flavor. It wont be great for plinking, but it'll throw lead like a mofo and thats what I'm looking for at this point. :)

[wheelie king]

Want to elaborate further on the .45 WK? I don't mind a good rant.

Well, MY OPINION is not gold, but is also based on real life experience. And I am not beating my chest in saying that, either. :(

But anyway, the 45 is great for the 3 best things it has- availability (in this market/situation), surface area, and speed. I would much rather have a .45 caliber "flying ashtray" at 230 grains going 900 fps, than a .40 caliber projectile at 165 grains travelling 1275 fps- and here is why: Being hit by the brick (.40) is bad, but being hit by a concrete block (.45), although slower, still slows the thing it impacts, and impacts the thing with greater surface area contact, although it is a slower speed, it still does what you want to do BETTER- stop the thing that is coming at you. I am not one of thos guys that wants my bullets to penetrate EVERYTHING. Penetration is NOT always what you want. Over penetration is BAD, and can affect innocent people, while still not stopping an attacker. Most self defense firearm situations happen at less than 25 feet. I'll take the .45 here, man- A .45 in center mass (chest and torso) area will knock a 200 pound,6 foot tall man FLAT on is arse. Trust me.

And please do not get me wrong. I am not "anti" 40 or 9mm or .357 sig, or whatever. My primary weapon is the Glock 23 in .40. But when it comes to my preference- I just want the biggest thing that I can control with reasonable speed and distance, to hit the bad guy. Period.

[The Goat]

so you would be very against my .40 cal round that is only 84 grains and travelling at 2000ft/s ?

how does a .45 do in that initial penetration of forearms...the exiting, and then the penetration of a torso? I must admit, I didn't consider this when making my original purchase of ammunition. I have later reconsidered it when selecting what is loaded in my .40 by staggering 84 grains with federal hydras. Firing, I notice no difference in recoil.


when I was first selecting ammo, I went old school...heaviest bullet I could find in a hollow.

I then went to the bullet with the most force behind it. now I question whether those really light bullets are capable of penetrating a torso through forearms (a person holding a weapon)

I was reading, they say most people who fall from a gunshot (nonintoxicated) do so because of a preconcieved notion that they are SUPPOSED to fall.

ever since starting the hunt for the perfect bullet, for self defense, I could chat about this stuff all day, it's just so damned interesting.

[TravEX]

Damn goat, I hope this is not admissable in court against you someday.

wheelie, I love my 23C, but no compact in the 45 acp, I guess the 21 is what I would get.

[The Goat]

lol... come on now trav... we should all know this is downright worst case scenario

I'm actually a very mild mannered guy.

takes a lot to get me riled up....and I'm smart enough to never pull the trigger unless running or cooperating trully is NOT an option.

but if you're firing at an attacker who is holding a weapon...the space in between their forearms is very small for a straight shot to the upper torso. Chances are the bullet will enter forearm, contacting muscle, bone, and then exiting skin (which apparently robs a bullet of more velocity than I could have ever imagined), only then to enter clothing, and then the torso.


come on now, you mentioned doing a walk through your home with the AR...this is the same basic principle.

thinking ahead and considering every possible scenario may give you a split second advantage or calm your heart rate just enough when it counts.

chances are I'd miss the first shot anyways.

shooting at a single silouhette earlier...doing fast draw: My first shot removed the targets left ear (was going for the neck), my next to shots were xring..and the final was right eye.

not bad...except for that funny ear thing. lol... but I know in heavy stress those shots would be wilder.

[TravEX]

Sure, I did a walk through. I keep a mag of soft points by the AR at all times in the house for protection, but I'm not thinking about how much damage I can do with it, I just know I don't wanna be shooting FMJ's at someone, hehe.

Trust me, any HP or similar bullet from a 40 or 45 to an attacker is gonna get the job done. I've shot enough small varmints and finished off deer with my Glock with JHP's to find out, hehe.

I'm sure you could get with an instructer or someone at a local police academy and see what they recommend for LE carry. Come to think of it, I'll check and see what our's carry. Wheelie might have some input on what bullet he carries.

I understand what you're getting at, not busting your balls over it. Maybe I should think about it more, my son turned 1 month old today, and I will give my life to defend him.

[84 ATC 200M]

My Grandpa has many guns witch one of his favorites is a husqvarna 30-06.

[The Goat]

here's a question...would crossed forearms stop a .223?

I think it would...with a leather jacket on.

both arms would be useless...but I don't think it could penetrate torso after the arms.

Is it bad that I would like to see tests?

I somewhat know what you mean about protecting your loved ones...at any point when walking with my girlfriend...I'm constantly scanning. Watching for anything, carreening cars, a person sitting at a counter who's only pretending to be asleep...I keep my eyes open.

The other night we left a waffle house in a rush...simply because I knew something was happening that I didn't like and my positioning in the restaurant was not advantageous. I saw at least five drug deals go down in a bathroom....in a matter of minutes.

[TravEX]

here's a question...would crossed forearms stop a .223?

I think it would...with a leather jacket on.

both arms would be useless...but I don't think it could penetrate torso after the arms.



Dunno, I'll sling the 29 rounds following it away from his crossed forearms and money clip with 100 singles in it in his front left pocket.

[The Goat]

lol...well yeah 30 rounds will stop anyone.

I'd rather not have to shoot at all, if I do have to, I'd rather only shoot once.

has anyone seen "observe and report" yet... I hate the movie, though I usually love anything with rogan in it.

One thing I have to say though, there is one gun shot fired into a guy at the end... looks like a .45 from a 1911 in the upper right side of the body between lung and collar bone...

It's about the most accurate portrayal of a gunshot to the chest I've ever seen.

the guy isn't blown away, he isn't killed instantly. He just hits the ground with absolutely no breath left in him.

[wheelie king]

Damn goat, I hope this is not admissable in court against you someday.

wheelie, I love my 23C, but no compact in the 45 acp, I guess the 21 is what I would get.

GLOCK 36, brotha- Check it out.................

[Name Brand]

Sorry but no pics... who knows who might be looking. I like having a varied yet practical selection.

Glock .45, compact, tritium sights
Ruger 10-22
Mossberg 12 guage, 18in barrel, tube extension, folding stock
DPMS AR-15, 5.56, 16" barrel, collapsable stock...
Mosin Nagant, 7.62x54, long rifle with bayonet
Mosin Nagant, 7.62x54, carbine, laminated stock with bayonet

I need to get a good hunting rifle or two (caribou, bear, moose). I'm liking these;

In the .308 with matte finish...
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_770.asp
Or maybe this in the 300...
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/m24.htm
But this would probably be the best all around, and in a .308...
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_XCR_tactical_long_range.asp


I'm currently assigned an M9 pistol (Beretta) and a M240H that was taken out of the factory packaging last summer!

[wheelie king]

Lotsa Mosin owners here on the board, I am noticing!!!!

I am not gonna debate the grain vs. caliber vs. whatever thing, sorry. I like what works. The loudest sound you'll ever hear in a gunfight is "click".

[Name Brand]

Mosins are great! Historical, accurate, and fairly plentiful. They are still a bargain for a good shooting rifle and the ammunition can be had for a fair amount by the case. I only paid $125 for the carbine I have; very good condition, numbers match and came with the old bandolier, etc. That was a post election price too!

I highly recommend the movie "Enemy at the Gates".

[ants84olds]

I love my mosin rifle. Been a while since I shot it though. I just came up on a Sears Roebuck pump action 12 gauge. I couldnt beat it for 50 bucks.

[edog]

I highly recommend the movie "Enemy at the Gates".

Great movie!!!!!!

[300rman]

who cares if it penetrates someones torso after going through their forearm? after the bullet tears their arm apart, they are guaranteed to not have their arms in front of their chest anymore, let alone think about attacking you....thats where you take your second shot.

[TravEX]

I want a bigger upper for my AR for deer hunting, the 223 is fine, just want a little more power. I was gonna build an AR-10 in a nice 308, but I can save alot of $ with just another upper.

My top choice right now is the 6.5 Grendel. Great round, accuracy, and Alexander Arms makes some nice ammo for it. Probably use their 120gr HP. The Grendel stays super sonic past 1000yds!

Any experience with the Grendel?

[The Goat]

so not only did my engine end up with a fist sized hole in it last night... it did so as me and the gf were travelling the interstate over one of the worst neighbor hoods in baton rouge, my only choice was to coast off the interstate into the ghetto at night. as soon as we roll to a stop, crackheads start skittering around like dogs.

walking up and looking through the windshield asking for money and cigarettes... all the while I'm holding the .40 checking every mirror and watching. a ford explored pulls up as I'm waiting for the tow, he's about 20 feet away with his hibeams pointed at my car. didn't move for twenty minutes or more, just watching us.

I have decided one handgun is insufficient for the car. with four people in that explorer, and a couple of crackheads circling my car in the parking lot, I feel I need something more substantial.

as soon as I figure out how much money I'll have once the insurance company views my car, I will be purchasing either a mini-14, a stagecoach double barrel 12 guage, or a tactical 7+ shot twelve gauge.

I'm reasonably sure the explorer thought I was buying drugs, but the actually homeless crackheads were just eery.

any thoughts on guns with a shock factor? it wasn't until both the tow truck guy and myself stepped out open carrying that everyone dispersed.

when my girlfriend, who hates handguns, hands me mine, and asks if the 9 is in the car for her, believe it was not a desirable situation.

[hancadam]

That sucks man. Glad to hear your ok though. What happened to your car, Chunk a rod? I have been thinking about getting a mini as well. AK-47 will always get noticed.

[wheelie king]

Never carry any more firepower that you can retain in a struggle. Which is only 1 or 2 for a well-trained person. Coach guns (side X side 12 ga) is the Shizznit, though, for shock factor if nothing else.

[The Goat]

plus they are dead reliable and classic. plus I could hang it from the roof.

yeah the car sucked some water... due to loss of a water guard.

oh yeah, and those stagecoach guns are cheaper than hell

where can you get a saiga these days, out of curiousity?

[BigGreenMachine]

LoL, Saiga, that would have more then shock factor.

My 12 gauge 870 showed up yesterday. Fun little thing but I sure wish it was shorter. Getting a Houge stock for it to change the LOP.

In shotguns I'd recommend a Dlask 8.5 inch barrel Rem 870 (3 shot capacity being its downfall), a 14 inch barrel HP9 (870 clone) or a Dominion arms Grizzly. (870 clone) All would have the shock factor your looking for and more then enough punch with buckshot or slugs.

The Grizzly would probably be your best bet, some of them even come with ghost sights installed and a interchangeable choke in the barrel. Believe they come in 15 or 12 inch barrel configurations.

I'd personally stay away from the pistol grip and get a good buttstock for any shotgun since the pistol grip makes it harder to acquire a target if your not close enough for a hipshot. Would also avoid the coach gun as its only a 2 shot. A high capacity pump 12 gauge is where its at. shens

Some pics just for the fun of it.

[piroguedog]

plus they are dead reliable and classic. plus I could hang it from the roof.

yeah the car sucked some water... due to loss of a water guard.

oh yeah, and those stagecoach guns are cheaper than hell

where can you get a saiga these days, out of curiousity?

Try classicarms.com
Ive seen em at jims also.
Where were you exactly?
Must have been in 110 huh?

[The Goat]

i110 chien, blew right at the split, restarted it with no oil pressure so I could make the exit.

realized I was exiting on chipewa too late. there have been more killings at that papa johns than anywhere in the city.

I was pricing stuff today, 450 for a coach gun, 800 for a 7 shot Remington pump.

buckshot travels too far for my tastes... I'm thinking 3.5s like #6 or so.

I'm thinking I'm gonna get a tc after they total the ride.

today in jims the old lady picked out a stainless smith .357 and said it was a toss up between that and a baby glock

never been so proud

[piroguedog]

tc? What the heck u doin over there man?

[300rman]

hhey GOAT, i think i found your calling: the SUPER SHORTY available in 12 or 20 gauge

http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

http://www.serbu.com/images/holstersm2.jpg

[The Goat]

chien my gf lives out in central, it's the fastest safest way to get to her house, IF you don't have to get off the interstate. otherwise you hve to go down north foster and Florida blvd, too many redlights with no police presence for my tastes.

i'd rather fly over the ghettos doing 95... and I'm the slower person.

you know 300rman, it's got the shock factor, but I imagine it would need a tax stamp, that sucker is short.

prepaid at jims today for the ccw class.

batonrouge police supply is out of ammo for all handguns. everywhere else is out of everything besides .357 and .32

jims only had golden sabers in 9mm and corbon in .40

I bought a couple boxes of 9mm... but the Corbon stuff was light AND slow... couldn't bring myself to buy it.

I need federal hydras!

[BigGreenMachine]

Pretty sure thats a Dlask 8.5...

$800 US for an 870 7-shot? Someone must be on smack where you priced it cause I just bought basicly the same one for $499 CDN...

Search Norinco HP9 or Dominion Arms Grizzly. They are both 870 clones, super reliable just like the 870 and come in a couple different configurations. The only real difference is the price, about $350 CDN.

#6 shot? :eek: No. Lead BB through full choke is the smallest I'd go. #00 through a Mod choke is what I'd use. 3.5" shells would make quick follow ups harder as well.

(PS; How many action movies have you seen where the good guys break action double barrel runs out of ammo and the bad guys move in? LOTS!!)

[edog]

hhey GOAT, i think i found your calling: the SUPER SHORTY available in 12 or 20 gauge

http://www.serbu.com/legacy/sus3s.jpg

http://www.serbu.com/images/holstersm2.jpg

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I'M IN LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Name Brand]

Three rounds before a reload makes me nervous.

Wish I had a better pic, but here's my 12 gauge. With the stock folded and a 20" barrel it's pretty short. With the tube extender it holds 8 rounds.

Obviously it's not as easy to conceal as the 'Shorty', but I'd rather have the extra rounds. Why not carry a large caliber pistol I wonder... well, that 'Shorty' would be intimidating!

[The Goat]

can't find any of those grizzly arms things for sale in the US. and I like them, and the pricing too.

does anyone know if they make a +p 9mm in a 147 grain? that'd be the tits.

also...where can I find something hotter than a +p in a 9mm? the +p is only 11% hotter than standard...and the austrian glock is specced to shoot 30% hotter than +p

[300rman]

Three rounds before a reload makes me nervous.

Wish I had a better pic, but here's my 12 gauge. With the stock folded and a 20" barrel it's pretty short. With the tube extender it holds 8 rounds.

Obviously it's not as easy to conceal as the 'Shorty', but I'd rather have the extra rounds. Why not carry a large caliber pistol I wonder... well, that 'Shorty' would be intimidating!

fill that shorty with some 00 buckshot, and you got a nice spread with some serious take down power. dont see why you would need 8 rounds.

[Russell 350X]

fill that shorty with some 00 buckshot, and you got a nice spread with some serious take down power. dont see why you would need 8 rounds.



You may not need 8 rounds, but it makes for a good peace of mind. I would rather have 8 shots at the ready, than 3.

[The Goat]

I'd rather yall not firing buckshot in a self defense situation.

400+ yards and still lethal.

120 yards with fine shot and it'll just sting like all hell.....and yet at up to 25 yards, nothing will be standing after a hit to the chest.

[300rman]

You may not need 8 rounds, but it makes for a good peace of mind. I would rather have 8 shots at the ready, than 3.

yes, but you cant go walkin down the street with a normal-sized shotgun.
and i'd rather have the shotgun than a pistol......so you make the compromise.


and fine, we'll load it with fine shot for you, Goat :)

[BigGreenMachine]

Remington made 14" barrels, might want to ask around. Didn't think it would be hard to find a short shotgun stateside since you guys have access to all the cool guns vs here in Canuckistan. Gunbroker.com?

What is the shortest legal barrel you crazy Americans can have on a shotgun anyway? :)

[BigGreenMachine]

Oh wow, not finding anything on gunbroker that short.

[piroguedog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-heFRwuWs

[wheelie king]

Remington made 14" barrels, might want to ask around. Didn't think it would be hard to find a short shotgun stateside since you guys have access to all the cool guns vs here in Canuckistan. Gunbroker.com?

What is the shortest legal barrel you crazy Americans can have on a shotgun anyway? :)

Restricted to Law Enforcement only. Civilian purchase of the short shotgun barrels requires the tax stamp and ATF paperwork.

Civilian length on long guns is a minimum of a 16 inch barrel.

[BigGreenMachine]

Ahh, icic.

Bought an almost new 870 reciever yesterday, only needs a stock/forend and a barrel.

[BigGreenMachine]

can't find any of those grizzly arms things for sale in the US. and I like them, and the pricing too.





http://www.canadaammo.com/product.php?productid=24

http://www.canadaammo.com/product.php?productid=11

The real short 12 inch Griz is sold out, more coming the summer. You'd have to call to find out if they can sell to the U.S.

Join over on "Canadiangunnutz" forum and get access to the Exchange of Equipment section. (the EE) There are usually some smoking deals on shotguns there weekly.

[wheelie king]

A rem 870 with the 8 shot magazine and the synth. stock will run you about 375 US bucks. Great guns with endless possibilities for accessorizing.....

Has anyone tried to be .357 mag or, dare I say, .38 special ammo lately? GOOD GAWD!!! you cannot buy it! I had no idea that .38 sp. was so highly coveted. I shoot wheelgun and cowboy lever guns in .357 for recreation, and I can't get the dang ammo.

Unreal..............:(

[TravEX]

I ordered and got some Corbon 357 mag a couple weeks ago. $35 for 20!

[The Goat]

bought a sweet little mossberg 12 gauge yesterday for a song.

5+1 capacity, it's a little stiff for my tastes, but I'll break her in.

my only complaint is thatthe stock rubber buttplate is harder than the synthetic stock it attached to.

for now Im just holding the gun slightly off the shoulder licked so an edge doesn't cut me.

any good websites for upgrades?

sites and a holder for extra shells is a must.

[BigGreenMachine]

500 or 590?

https://www.vangcomp.com/gun_accessories.html

[The Goat]

I believe she's a maverick 88...I'll have to check when I get home.

500 accessories fit though...I've managed to find out that much at least.

[BigGreenMachine]

A Mav88 is a great gun. My brother has had his for I don't know how long and its been absolutely flawless in function.

I picked up another new 870 Express, for cheap, just a reciever.

My Stevens 200 in .22-250 for coyotes next to the new 870 next to the Winchester Ranger 140 12 gauge I was patterning for tomorrow's Trap Shoot.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1390/img3967.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3967.jpg)

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/3/img3964t.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3964t.jpg)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6215/img3961.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3961.jpg)

[Billy Golightly]

Genuine COLT SP1 AR-15.


Gonna be picking up another .243 Winchester soon it looks like from some horse trading.

[wheelie king]

Yer not gonna trade that SKS, are ya? The .243 yer considering is a bolt action, I am assuming?

I would love to find a Browning BAR (semi-auto) in .30-06. That'd be the cat's arse.

[Billy Golightly]

Naaaa, not trading the SKS for a .243. Getting the .243 for an old hunk of junk toyota that I've had stashed in the bushes for years :lol:


Need.....MOAR!

[TravEX]

I will vent and explain more when I calm down and have time. My sister-in-law spent the night with us last night. She is a tree-hugger and very ANTI-gun. We got into it. She wants all guns GONE! How do you respong to that without screaming!? LOL

There are 2 types of people in this country, gun owners and victims.

[The Goat]

trav ex you could explain to her that there are 33k gun deaths on any given year. 14k of those are suicides and therefore irrelevant. the justice department says that 2.5 million crimes are prevented each year due to a gun owner interfering. 19k is a .5% of 2.5 million (math in head prolly wrong) in any case, I'd prefer to be in the 99.5% of people.

by the way there are 33k gun seats a year due to negligence, police shootings, suicides, and murders. there are 250k deaths a year due to mistakes made by doctors. perhaps we should ban doctors...

[J.D.]

bought a sweet little mossberg 12 gauge yesterday for a song.

5+1 capacity, it's a little stiff for my tastes, but I'll break her in.

my only complaint is thatthe stock rubber buttplate is harder than the synthetic stock it attached to.

for now Im just holding the gun slightly off the shoulder licked so an edge doesn't cut me.

any good websites for upgrades?

sites and a holder for extra shells is a must.


Hell yeah I have the same one. Bought it a few years ago for like 170 or 180 out the door. Probably have 1,000+ rounds through it and it's only been cleaned once. Not as nice or tight fitting as my Rem 11-87, but it's great for the price and has never let me down.

[TravEX]

thanks goat.

i've thought about it all day, and have some stuff for her if she brings it up again.

Sounds like you've been listening to guntalk radio.

Just for the mood she put me in, I bought an AR-10 and AR-15 stripped lowers today!!!! LOL

[The Goat]

I'm over on those forums as well travex, joined the other day when it was super slow on here and I was at work.

there are very many members yet, but it'll be picking up.

If anyone is curious what we're talking about... please listen to the gun rights radio network.

Easily downloaded podcasts on your ipod or phone, or able to listen to them online. They are certainly better than listening to the boring talkradio nonsense when in the car.

one funny thing trav, I've been arguing that doctor point for a long time, a couple of my friends are on the path to becoming a doctor...and trust me people...every doctor makes a mistake sometimes. and those mistakes add up every two years to more fatalities than their were american deaths in ALL of WW2

[TravEX]

Alright, now I have both hands free and a clear head.

First of all, goat is right, go to iTunes and download the 'gun talk' podcast with Tom Gresham. He has a 3 hour talk show on every Sunday on XM 139 6-9 pm, but the podcast is the complete 3 hours. I downloaded and listened to every show since March 15 of this year. VERY good stuff, the spent brass ban pissed me off, luckily I listened to the next weeks podcast, and found out they had recended it. He has great guests, Pete Brownell, Jim Wilson, owner of Georgia arms, VP's from SIG SAUER, Taurus, etc.

I'm glad I picked up a 120gb iPod a few monthes ago, cause I'm keeping it busy with podcasts and other stuff now.

Listening to all the FACTS this week has really calmed me down and focused my concern on what I need to do. The sky is not falling, hehe. The run on ammo is just outta fear, no real reason. Yes, prices will creep up like everything else, they are just a little behind on production because of all the sales. THere are tons of internet rumors out there that are simply that, there are no plans for ammo production with shelve life, gun seizures, ammo stoppage, etc.

My LOVE for AR's just started, got my first one in March, and now I want a dozen. Why couldn't my hobby for the past 6 years been AR's instead of ATC's?! I bought 2 more lowers yesterday, just to have them on hand.

The only 2 pieces of legislation out there right now (goat, help me out if I'm wrong), are the HR45 bill (Clinton bans +), and the serial encoding of bullets for ID. I doubt the serial encoding will pass, but I fully expect BHO and Rob Emanual to PUSH the Clinton bans. Did you know that Joe Biden wrote the Clinton ban bill?! BHO is on record saying he wants to ban ALL SEMI-AUTOS, that means rifles, handguns, shotguns, ALL!

If you read nothing but this part, gunowners, do 2 things.

1. Get informed and talk to people about it. Write your Senator and Rep just to tell them you are a gun owner and want them to speak for you.

2. JOIN THE NRA. We need members! Check out the website, I think that they still have a free membership program going. If you are already a member, sign up your wife, kids, friends. What better gift to give a fellow gun owner. I always thought of the NRA for gun lovers, no, if you are a gun 'owner', membership is imperative.

http://membership.nrahq.org/default.aspx?campaignid=nranews
http://www.guntalk.com/site.php
http://www.brownells.com/

And, if you don't have a Brownells catalog, get one! Click on the link above, call them and tell them that Tom Gresham on Guntalk said you could have one for free (normally $5), the best catalog I own. I order almost weekly from them.

Travis

[The Goat]

Guys as bad as it is, hoarding needs to stop, but it's necessary.

I only ask if you go to buy ammo, and they have your caliber and you want to buy it all...try to leave at least one box for the other guys. It'll help a lot.

I hit a walmart every 200 miles or so when I did the northeast trip, I only scored ammo at brapps local store.

One of the walmarts had had their shelves shattered...not to get to the ammo, to stop other persons from buying it. When the doors were broken, they moved all ammo to the back, not to be sold until new glass was purchased.