general motors

[harryredtrike]

as you probably know by now general motors filed bankruptcy this morning.we the citizens of this country have infused 60,000,000,000 into this company so far to avoid bankruptcy.guess what,didnt help.the company was only worth 80,000,000,000 to begin with.this once great company is now government run.lets see how well your president and congress can run it.i have a bad feeling that we will be on the hook for much more.

[factoryX]

lol, you mean goverment motors...

also here is a link. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/GM-bankruptcy-court-filings-apf-15396356.html?.v=34

[harryredtrike]

even worse,GM stock just got kicked out of the stock market this morning.

[factoryX]

o-well, at least there is Ford and Toyota left. I'll miss the zr1 corvette though.

[Yamada]

Time to buy a new left-over GM pick-up, can't wait to see the discount.

[Macs]

Everytime a goverment has taken over a car manufacture you get the worst, piece of junk cars ever. kinda like the Yugo

[factoryX]

Everytime a goverment has taken over a car manufacture you get the worst, piece of junk cars ever. kinda like the Yugo

lol, it is about to happen. obama is working with the chinese already. Also, he wants to make every american to make there truck or car have 35mpg by 2016. what about the farmers that need vehicles that idk have horse power to move equipment around the fields? this is not going to work.

[Mr.Atc]

gm sucks mopar or nocar

[SYKO]

lol, it is about to happen. obama is working with the chinese already. Also, he wants to make every american to make there truck or car have 35mpg by 2016. what about the farmers that need vehicles that idk have horse power to move equipment around the fields? this is not going to work.



there is alot of exemptions with farming like f350 and duramax desils and 3500 dodges, becouse of the weight they dont follow under the same perameters as commuting vehicles do, I still have my customized f-150 on our farm insurance...:naughty:

[charger]

gm sucks mopar or nocar

ya!! Mopars rock

[Macs]

gm sucks mopar or nocar

it looks like you do not keep up with the news. They are meeting the same fate. So it might be nocar for you. hahahaha

[SYKO]

well all manufactures started going south when they made 40 differnt models that changed every 2-3 years making parts obsolete and expensive for minor repairs.

they should be like the 60s - 80's

1 truck line
1 light truck line

big car

medium car

little car

not 20 truck lines

10 light truck lines now bordering on fullsize trucks

no big cars (whats the fat people going to drive?) im not driving a small car!

50 medium sized cars

5000 small cars

and the sad part is most of those models are junk and barely held together

not trying to say im baised but ford has had the best run

1 truck line the f series

rangers

the panther platform (crown vic/towncars)

medium cars taurus/ 500 now

small escort/ focus now

and just 2 sub lines mercury and lincoln, wich in all honesty merc needs to go!

the f series still continues to outsell the rest

the ranger is allright

they were stupid to get rid of the panther platform

dunno enough about the 500 platform but almost all the new fords run that platform now mercury and lincoln included

the focus is the same

[SWIGIN]

all i have to say is..........i love my MUSTANG :lol:

[1985BigRed250ES]

When I trade trucks in about 3 years, I am going back to a Ford! The Chevrolet Colorado that I have is alright, but I miss my Ford Ranger, better gas mileage, better air conditioning and didnt need a head job every 50,000 miles like the colorados do.

[SYKO]

to be honest I love my ford truck it has almost 180k on it and it still runs like a champ.... even holds up to my driving wich I drive it like a indy car on crack! lol its been a great truck and if it breaks down now It wouldnt hurt my feelings to put a new motor in it or trans, hell if its held up this long to my abuse then why not? plus it gets wicked awesome gas mileage, hauls ass easily and just plain looks badass why change?

[Thorpe]

Time to buy a new left-over GM pick-up, can't wait to see the discount.

Pray you wont need warranty work!

[Brad200X]

Ford is the only way to go anyway. My '94 4.6L T-Bird has 300k+ and the only thing I had to replace was the trans valve body. It gets 30mpg with the summer tires too! (with a V-8, mind you... and I wouldn't call her slow.) Hell, our '86 Crown Vick had almost 400k on it. It is a shame about Chevy though... my first street legal set of wheels was a '91 2500 short bed. Really good truck.

[firehart]

If the government is going to be running it, we are going to get hosed. Just like everyting else they touch, its going to be filled with graft and coruption.

[300rman]

have 35mpg by 2016. what about the farmers that need vehicles that idk have horse power to move equipment around the fields? this is not going to work.


thats not an issue......heard of that 400 horse mustang that gets over 100MPG?

hes been all over the news lately, hes starting a company to start retrofiting vehicles with this technology....

his MPG was documented on a trip to vegas and back, (from ohio) he beat the trailprotrailprotrailprotrailpro outta the car the whole way and stayed around 100MPG.

[Thorpe]

If the government is going to be running it, we are going to get hosed. Just like everyting else they touch, its going to be filled with graft and coruption.

And that is different from pre-bankruptcy how??? Anyone else starting to think B.O. might be a communist? :(

[300rman]

And that is different from pre-bankruptcy how??? Anyone else starting to think B.O. might be a communist? :(

He IS a communist......

[The Goat]

lol...

I wouldn't own a gm vehicle newer than 1980 anyways.... sorry this doesn't change a whole lot.

the problem is and always been providing a product that consumers actually want while making a profit on it. sorry...but a lot of companies seem to have forgotten that.

[Mosh]

I have been a GM guy since 1985!

And I tell it like it is.......................
THEY ran their own asses into the frigging ground! I wont get into why, but the other big "2" will be next.....Of course I am just a dum sonabitch that has worked in the field for 20 years and dont know what the hell he is talkin about.
Fiat Bought Chrysler.......LOL That is as bad as GM going under.
What is next? Martha Stewart ,and Ophra Jointly buying Ford?
Probably!

Tis a sad day!

EDIT!!!!!!

The other day I saw a sticker on a Ford....

"Dont put MY American Flag sticker, on your foreign car!"
Classic!



Hey! On a lighter note....................
Anybody See North Korea Testing long range missles that can reach the west coast, and doing underground Nuke testing this week?
How about the army marching in the streets, just like the old days....

[300rman]

I have been a GM guy since 1985!

And I tell it like it is.......................
THEY ran their own asses into the frigging ground! I wont get into why, but the other big "2" will be next.....Of course I am just a dum sonabitch that has worked in the field for 20 years and dont know what the hell he is talkin about.
Fiat Bought Chrysler.......LOL That is as bad as GM going under.
What is next? Martha Stewart ,and Ophra Jointly buying Ford?
Probably!

Tis a sad day!

EDIT!!!!!!

The other day I saw a sticker on a Ford....

"Dont put MY American Flag sticker, on your foreign car!"
Classic!



Hey! On a lighter note....................
Anybody See North Korea Testing long range missles that can reach the west coast, and doing underground Nuke testing this week?
How about the army marching in the streets, just like the old days....

the problem is these dumb ass gooks dont get it. they launch a nuke at ANY country, and the rest of the world is going to transform them from a IS to a WAS before they have their victory march.....


and what does an underground nuke test consist of? i would think it would leave such a nasty crater in the ground it would make more sense to blow it above ground.

[The Goat]

and you'd be right. Compressed matter will only amplify the explosion's initial boom. Same principle as a firecracker in an anthill vs on the surface.

The diffrencis that nukes have energy to spare... Hence the reason eye witness accounts say fat man and little boy were detonated in the air. Spreads the impact over a larger area... And the damage is so bad it doesn't matter the energy that could have beengained by it being under ground doesn't matter.

[Mosh]

Back on the cars...
Perfect example.....


In 1995 I went to the S.A.E. Convention in Detroit.(Society of Automotive Engineers)These are the "Be all end all" of car genious's mind you. Heavily, overpaid for thier rediculous ideas..............
I saw 6-8 "engineers", Gathered around a newly introduced 1996 Olds Aurora, with that 4.6 Northstar engine.They had those White Lab coats on, pocket protectors........

They were Bragging........
"This is the car of the future! It will need no work for over 150k miles"
They were really proud of this.

I looked in the engine compartment and said....................WTF?
"How the Eff we supposed to work on this thing?"

They all looked at me like the 18 year old I was, and replied....
"This car wont need work" :confused: :eek: LMFAO

3 years later in the GM dealers (Out of warranty no less):welcome:
We were giving customers $2800 estimates to fix a gushing oil leak that required pulling the engine, usually resulting in broken crank carrier bolts that made the job more pricey......:w00t:

I told them in 1995 they were foolish IDIOTS.
But I guess that didnt sink into them.

So a customer who spent 30k on a new car, has a $3000 oil leak just after the warranty expires.shens

Talk about consumer confidence...................!:rolleyes:
Way to go GM!
And that is just one instance.....
I gots a lots more...............;)

All them effr's suffer from ..............


"I- D- 10T "syndrome!

[Bryan Raffa]

went to the dealership today and they threw us the keys to a 2010 RS camero..wow nice car it was only a V6 but man it had some grunt.. now that things have settled out.. there going to start the SS line of the camero's everything was on hold..cant wait!!

oh and under the hood was all plastic!

Ya mosh that northstar wastrailpro

[The Goat]

LOL mosh at that code... I didn't realise that existed outside of comp tech guys.

[Mosh]

Well them fools are putting 10-15 onboard computers on cars these days.....Constantly communicating thru a CAN bus circuit.......
I guess that constitutes me as some sort of a computer tech?



LMFAO....
I tell folks this....When they biatch about their heated seats not working.......
"Be glad you dont have to get out and turn a friggin crank to start your car, like in the old days"

[The Goat]

Come on now raffa.... This reminds me of the polymer vs metal arguement in guns.

Give me something lighter faster stronger and bulletproof any day of the week. You have your Honda accord mosh... DeAd reliable ain't she?

[Mosh]

That booger Is a runner. Just broke in at 260K all original.
Vibrates at 85 MPH though.............

But....I gots a Chevy S-10 Blazer with 240K on it....1991 Baby,back when you had to reach down and pull a lever for 4WD..No heated yuppie seats,washer pumps, GPS or On star....
Dinosaur Tech man...

[Bryan Raffa]

Come on now raffa.... This reminds me of the polymer vs metal arguement in guns.

Give me something lighter faster stronger and bulletproof any day of the week. You have your Honda accord mosh... DeAd reliable ain't she?

just saying its was a cool car and im lookin forward to the SS line that will be nothing like the RS line ,.. I opened the hood and it was a big black plastic sheild with about 3" opend around..rack and pinion on them too...

mosh I got a 94 s-10 with 230k just rebuilt the front swaybar and them god dam torsion bar mounts that rip out every year!! strong runner..it ill be at TF...

[The Goat]

I suppose I shouldn't talk, I just blew a toyota engine with 140k on it, but that was due to a massive intake of water.

There aren't many things I would trust with my life or money. The glock and the toyota engine is one of them.

Then again I would have taken my 97 grand am across country in a heartbeat.

[threewheelin-feelin]

That booger Is a runner. Just broke in at 260K all original.
Vibrates at 85 MPH though.............

But....I gots a Chevy S-10 Blazer with 240K on it....1991 Baby,back when you had to reach down and pull a lever for 4WD..No heated yuppie seats,washer pumps, GPS or On star....
Dinosaur Tech man...

man i hear ya...i am getting into the mechanic field and ill be damn if 75% of the time and afford put into the job is just to remove all the plastic nonsence...it really is ridiculous...to me if these idiots started making cars that we could actully work on they would shoot right back to the top...

[hancadam]

I have a 2007 Silverado classic that is basically like a 1978 truck under the hood. It may be because its a work truck with no options what so ever, but it is extremely simple. Its just the 4.3 V-6 also, which may make it simpler. Its one of the reasons I bought it. I use to have a 78 and 79 F-150 when I was young and did all the work myself. Then had two Frontiers and they where a whole other story. We spent a whole weekend changing an exhaust gasket once. Mind you neither me or my father or pros.

I have owned about every brand out there, and GM has been the best for me with Nissan 2nd. We have an 8 year old Cavalier that we bought new that just wont quit. Yes the paint is coming off now, and the dash is cracked, but other than that its perfect. It has 200k on it, with nothing ever replaced. AC is still ice cold, never rode smooth so thats not an issue.

To me GM's issue has always been cheap interiors and features. Like solid plastic door panels and dash boards, power window motors, and cheap switches. For me the transmissions and motors have always been bullet proof. Which works for me because I always buy the most stripped out model possible. My truck has rubber floors, AM/FM, and Manual everything. Sorry, I am cheap.

[hancadam]

My Accord was the worse by the way. It had 115k miles on it when we bought it. We bought it from a friend of my dads. He was elderly and had a stroke which messed with his coordination making it too hard to drive a manual for him. It was in pristine shape.

After about 6 months the A/C stopped working. Then the cooling fans about 2 months later. Was told it was a fan relay, replaced all of them, that didn't help. We had to manually wire the fans to the battery with a toggle switch mounted to the dash to cut them on. They were only needed if the car was idling for a while. Then it started to shutter when it was cold out. I would be going down the road fine and all the sudden it would start shuttering like someone was turning the ignition on and off. We traded it in at that point.

[Dirtcrasher]

Does this mean the end of there fancy new Camaro that was to arrive this year??

Dumb ass corporate making TOO much cash and not be managed properly is the issue, Just the same reason why our cities and towns are all broke - POOR MANAGEMENT!! TOO MANY CHIEFS!!

[SYKO]

what kind of rock you live under DC? the camaro has been driving around for months now! lol! seen those tards since dec last year! lol!

dosnt matter they allready have quality issues with them anyway....

[Dirtcrasher]

^ I had read something that said if they went bankrupt, that would be the end of the new Camaro.....

[SYKO]

well one reason why I plan on hanging onto my lincolns... as they are dead nutz reliable...

91 towncar 215k ran perfect then sold
92 towncar 280k ran perfect then sold to a freind who drove it over to 320k then wrecked...
99 towncar 180k ran perfect then sold
98 towncar 129k runs perfect still own
99 towncar 340k picked up recently runs better then most new ones! nothing replaced!
97 f-lincoln 179k killin it all day everyday

all these vehicles have the same drivetrain... wich has proven itself to be better then even the old drivetrains of the past

plus they all get great gas mileage including my truck

now.... If GM didnt mess with the 305/350 th400/700r4 combos and used that drivetrain in combo in all the stupid cars that had the screwed up 4100 series engines and crap like that they may have been around longer.

and if chrysler didnt go with that stupid cab forward sh1t they did for so long... I might have considered something from them....though I did own a 01 dodge 1500 x cab sport wich was a damn fine truck.

[AutoXer]

I have owned 3 gm trucks with the 5.3 and had no problems with them 15-20 mpg nice trucks .... I believe the problem with gm to be trying to get 10k more than they need to .... i'll use my 08 as a ex. sticker price 32k .... out the door price 23k
if you can sell for 23 sell for 23 or at most 25 to give ppl who like to feal good about trading ..... Unions also bug me seems they just have there hand out and want there dues .... and the gov? screw gas powered cars they should by now be a thing of the past ... where is the hydrogen powered car that was on tv a few years back going down the road? Oh yeah you can't tax water .80 a gal
Where is the electric car that works (solor panels to charge) oh yeah hard to tax uv rays ......Tea party any one????

[Thorpe]

Back on the cars...
Perfect example.....


In 1995 I went to the S.A.E. Convention in Detroit.(Society of Automotive Engineers)These are the "Be all end all" of car genious's mind you. Heavily, overpaid for thier rediculous ideas..............
I saw 6-8 "engineers", Gathered around a newly introduced 1996 Olds Aurora, with that 4.6 Northstar engine.They had those White Lab coats on, pocket protectors........

They were Bragging........
"This is the car of the future! It will need no work for over 150k miles"
They were really proud of this.

I looked in the engine compartment and said....................WTF?
"How the Eff we supposed to work on this thing?"

They all looked at me like the 18 year old I was, and replied....
"This car wont need work" :confused: :eek: LMFAO

3 years later in the GM dealers (Out of warranty no less):welcome:
We were giving customers $2800 estimates to fix a gushing oil leak that required pulling the engine, usually resulting in broken crank carrier bolts that made the job more pricey......:w00t:

I told them in 1995 they were foolish IDIOTS.
But I guess that didnt sink into them.

So a customer who spent 30k on a new car, has a $3000 oil leak just after the warranty expires.shens

Talk about consumer confidence...................!:rolleyes:
Way to go GM!
And that is just one instance.....
I gots a lots more...............;)

All them effr's suffer from ..............


"I- D- 10T "syndrome!

Had one of these p.o.s. GM miracle car my eye... The 4.0L tiny v8 was fun when it ran right, 250hp... but what a piece of crap this car was 90% of the time... The interior was ok, except for all the rattles and squeaks that would remind you of a 93 Caravan, thankfully I unloaded the car before the ever popular block crack came to... Thing wore tires terribly, no matter how many alignment... Wait, I hated this car... I need a beer... But I do love my cherokee!