Why they didn't catch Bin Laden

[3WheelHouston]

They were using a bunch of damn "modern" golf carts when what they really needed was an old Big Red. 8)

[boneidaho]

[trikezilla]

lol..."whats the point of sending a million dollar missle into a 10 dollar tent to hit a camel in the but?"
-Dub Yah

[cliff2302]

They also invaded the wrong country

[atczack]

Nuke their ***and take their gas!

[3 or die]

Hey guys, if you can get a hold of a dec 2004 national geograghic and read "on the tail of bin laden" it will teach you allot on what the deal is. The reason he hasent been caught is so simple, that modern tech has no effect on it.

[TrikerR]

ahahahh whose seen "team america world police" it full pays out on you guys. lol. sorry. when you said everyone thinks you police the world it jogged my memory

[cliff2302]

Well, i agree with you that the middle east is a powder keg. But why is it so? Religous differences? cause the US assassinatesdemocraticly elected people and places puppet governments? a-hole dictators? all of the above. Now, i'm not saying that the war in Iraq was completely wrong, or completely right. History's lesson from Hitler says were right. Hindsight says we were wrong because they had no WMD's. I dont really know. All i know is that North Korea has at least one Nuke, maybe 4. Where was "Team America" there? O wait, they have no oil. Also, a little known fact. The US gave alot of weapons and money to Osama in when he was battling the USSR in the Cold War. We are developing bunker busting nukes and our "Star Wars" project (which BTW is an utter failure at a tremendous cost to us) I totaly agree on making the US safe, and eliminating world threats. But, how can we criticize other countries for following our lead?

Oh yea, the whole "Team America" was a joke played on the US's expense for those who haven't seen it. Very funny though.

PS, sorry if i just started another politics fight

[TimSr]

Well Cliff, So far you've criticized pretty much everything a Republican administration does because it has not brought instantaneous world peace. Id like to know what your plan is. I would like to know how you think we should have handled the Taliban, Iraq and Libya, and what your plan is to handle Iran, N. Korea, China, the Ukraine, and Russia, and I would like to know how you would handle the "powder keg" in the middle east. I would like to know what you think we should do about genocide now well into the millions in the Sudan. How would you handle a nation that does not respect UN sanctions or comply with UN respolutions? How would you handle UN member nations who do not observe UN sanctions? How would you handle members of the UN Security Council cashing in on an Oil for Food Sanction that they imposed? You've criticized any attempt to build a missile defense system, and I would like to know your solution to the possibility of a rougue nuke missile launched in our direction. You consistantly condemn US allied actions with such conviction that I have to think you must have a better plan.

[ClayW]

Clif, when you get out in the real world your views will likely and hopefully change. Understand that the majority of opinions you have herd and respect have come from your liberal professors, and your government elemetary, middle and high schools teachers, which are nearly all liberals. So you could say that you have only been taught one way of looking at things your entire life. Its amazing how so many young people have all the answers.

[cliff2302]

Looking at all the stuff you put up there, its pretty esay to see that the US can't do it all on its own. Try strengthening the UN? Here is my shot as solving some of the problems though. After 9/11, go into Afghanistan and catch Osama. Mobilize all trooops there, don't hire militias. As for Sudan,either i've been out of the loop or we don't care about that much bceaue thats the first time i've heard of it. Its horrible and needs to be stopped nonetheless. Give me some time and i'll think about that. But, if we are so concerned with human rights, maybe we should stop child labor in 3rd world countries and take the Standard Fruit Company out of Honduras where they bribe the government to keep their citizins in poverty and kill off resisters. Standard Fruit BTW is a North American owned company. North Korea should have been under tighter watch. is basically what it boils down to. We go into Iraq for supposed WMDs and they are firing missiles over japan. pretty rediculous.A rouge missile attack won't happen. Terrorists, if they get a nuke, which is pretty possible, would send it in a shipping container or some way like that. They couldn't even get the technology to launch an ICBM. The missile defense right now after billions of dollars is only 5% accurrate on intercepting missiles that have a homing beacon on their tip. 0% effective against any missile that doesn't have one So, unless we are going to ask terrorists to put a beacon on their missiles, we probably aren't going to stop one. Also, terrorrists wouldn't send an ICBM because we'd know where it came from and have 3 on the way there before theirs hit. MAD was the reason WWIII didn't happen in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and it will work again. The Powder Keg is a much larger issue, and i haven't neccissarily thought how to fix it. I know though that the first step would be to get them to stop hating us. Maybe appologize for our past actions (and i don't mean the Iraq wars, farther back). Here, a stronger UN is a must. It must be a real coalition here, not just US troops. I'd also invest inalternate fuel technology, and force car manufactures in the US to make vehicles with better fuel milage. If we can make it so we aren't dependant on the middle east, and not give them so much money, we take away their power. How would i handle a nation that doens't follow the UN? well, i'd be pretty lenient on them, because if the UN did something to them, they'd have to do it to us too. Thats it for now, i'll write more when i get some free time.

[TimSr]

Looking at all the stuff you put up there, its pretty esay to see that the US can't do it all on its own. Try strengthening the UN?

LMFAO!!!! Strengthen the UN? You can reduce crime by strengthening organized crime?

Here is my shot as solving some of the problems though. After 9/11, go into Afghanistan and catch Osama. Mobilize all trooops there, don't hire militias.

So you take the "law enforcement" approach? Go in, get this guy, and the problem is solved? Leave the Taliban government in place? Do you have any clue how many people are in Al-Qaeda, and how many countries they are in, and your solution is to use our entire miliatry to search for one man? I thought overthrowing the Taliban and installing a democracy was a pretty good idea for keeping Al-Qaeda from coming back. You believe they would not come back if Bin Ladin was captured or killed? Who keeps the peace after we leave?

As for Sudan,either i've been out of the loop or we don't care about that much bceaue thats the first time i've heard of it. Its horrible and needs to be stopped nonetheless. Give me some time and i'll think about that. But, if we are so concerned with human rights, maybe we should stop child labor in 3rd world countries and take the Standard Fruit Company out of Honduras where they bribe the government to keep their citizins in poverty and kill off resisters. Standard Fruit BTW is a North American owned company.

Yeah its only 3,000,000 or 4,000,000 million people so far, nothing to worry about in light of the fact that over 1000 US soldiers have died in Iraq. I know its not in the Michael Moore Handbook, but the bottom line is that Kofi-Anon is handling it, because we dont want to be perceived as "policing the world". He did almost get UN sanctions passed. Almost. Your solution to this massacre is to go after the Standard Fruit Company?

North Korea should have been under tighter watch. is basically what it boils down to. We go into Iraq for supposed WMDs and they are firing missiles over japan. pretty rediculous.

You still didnt say we SHOULD do! Your solution is to "watch them"? We have watched them. They have been very open about building these as the whole world "watched". We watched them build nukes while they laughed at the UN.
What fault do you find in the Bush plan to bring pressure on them from China, their greatest ally, and threatening to arm their threatened neighbors, such as Japan? Sounds like the Mutually assured destruction you support elsewhere to me.

A rouge missile attack won't happen. Terrorists, if they get a nuke, which is pretty possible, would send it in a shipping container or some way like that. They couldn't even get the technology to launch an ICBM. The missile defense right now after billions of dollars is only 5% accurrate on intercepting missiles that have a homing beacon on their tip. 0% effective against any missile that doesn't have one So, unless we are going to ask terrorists to put a beacon on their missiles, we probably aren't going to stop one. Also, terrorrists wouldn't send an ICBM because we'd know where it came from and have 3 on the way there before theirs hit. MAD was the reason WWIII didn't happen in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and it will work again.

Rogue missiles wont happn? Your solution is to keep your fingers crossed? Who said it has to be an ICBM missile? Ever heard of short range bullistics missile? Sure they wont reach us from the middle east, but our "illegal" invasion of Iraq uncovered huge stockpiles of these missiles with ranges far beyond what was allowable by the US sanctions. You know, like those ones they kept launching into Israel during the first Gulf War, that many were actually successfully shot down by Patriot missiles, our first somewhat successful "missile defense system?" Do you think we should scrap those too since they werent 100% successful first time out? Thats a lot of money on a missile just to save a few hundred thousand Israelis, right? Im glad you mentioned Cuba. Over 40 years ago they pointed Nukes at Florida. They didnt need ICBM to deliver them from Cuba. What makes you so certain they do not still have any of the technology they had 40 years ago? How stable is Cuba, and how much longer will Castro live? Yes, MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) worked against Cuba and the Soviets. Thank God Kennedy was not delaing with Al-Qaeda!!!! You will bank on that working against Islamic funamentalists whose favorite weapon is suicide bombers? Thats your deterrent against terrorism? To guarentee the deaths of suicide bombers? I kind of like the idea of killing them BEFORE they nuke a US city as opposed to killing them later as punishement, but Im funny that way.

The Powder Keg is a much larger issue, and i haven't neccissarily thought how to fix it. I know though that the first step would be to get them to stop hating us. Maybe appologize for our past actions (and i don't mean the Iraq wars, farther back). Here, a stronger UN is a must. It must be a real coalition here, not just US troops.

This is hard to give a serious response to while suppressing my laughter. You are serious? Think real hard for minute when deciding just exactly how to make them "not hate us". Believe it or not, we also now have some very strong allies in the Middle east. Ever heard of Qatar or Kuwait? How did we get them to "stop hating us"? On each side of Iran (gee, talk about dumb luck!) we now have an elected US friendly government, and one that will be elected next month, yet you think dropping fruit basket and grreeting cards in Iran is more likely to keep them in line? Libya coughed up its nuclear program. How many of these countries did we apologise to and for what? The answer is "none". They dont hate us because we ensure their freedom! Saudi Arabia has been a (luke warm at best) ally, only because they depend on us for security, not because we send Christmas cards and flowers. You think they would have loved us more if we apologized to Sadaam Hussein, and pulled out of our Saudi Arabia bases and let Hussein take it like he wanted to in the first Gulf War?

I'd also invest inalternate fuel technology, and force car manufactures in the US to make vehicles with better fuel milage. If we can make it so we aren't dependant on the middle east, and not give them so much money, we take away their power. How would i handle a nation that doens't follow the UN? well, i'd be pretty lenient on them, because if the UN did something to them, they'd have to do it to us too. Thats it for now, i'll write more when i get some free time.

Alertnate fuel technolgy will bring peace between Islamic Fundamentalists and moderate Muslims, Jews and Christians? NO ONE IS FIGHTING OVER OIL!!! The fighting is because one group of people (not one religion) has religious beliefs that those who do not share their beliefs and bloodline are evil demons from Hell and should be killed. No amount of flowers and fruit baskets will ever resolve that. The fact that most of worlds oil supply lies in the middle of it makes the rest of the world care a lot more than they normally would, but the fighting has nothing to do with oil. Sounds like you're saying that you are happy with the way the UN works right now, and that your only complaint is that a few countries and the US will not join the corruption and would actually try to enforce the rules it has set up. What good is passing a sanction that you will not enforce? What good is there in passing a resolution you will not stand behind? What good is there in condemning a massacre of 3 million people while you stand by and watch it happen? What good is there in setting up borders for an independant Jewish state, if you will not defend those borders? This is who you are depending upon to bring about world peace???? I do not understand how anyone who has bothered to do any research or obtain any knowledge beyond Michael Moore movies could weigh it out honestly in their minds and draw these conclusions. Sounds to me more like "if you hate a guy enough, you can find fault in everything, and correctness in nothing with his name on it."

[Jeb]

Once again TimSr dismantles Cliff!

When will he learn ...

[TrikerR]

id hate to be in really serious argument with tim...by the way, were you ever on the debate team

[Trikeaholic]

Cliff, I think you post this stuff just to get a rise out of every normal, rational human being on this board! Sounds like every lefty you see on the news, same talking points over and over.

"if you are 19 years old and not a liberal, you don't have a heart.. If you are 40 years old and not a conservative, you dont have a brain."
WINSTON CHURCHILL