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Thread: 1985 Big Red 250es Build ===!!!!FINISHED!!!!===

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    Any tips for removing the inner swingarm pivot bearing races? I just need to get them out so I can take parts to be powder coated.
    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1985 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    1986 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    2008 Honda Rancher 420
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 6x6 - Fire Breathing 627cc V-Twin Monster
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    We need some pics here! lol

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    Finally got the swingarm pivot bearings out, so now everything is ready for powder coating. Hopefully that will be done this week, and I can get a few things put back together.

    Here are a few pics from before the dismantling...




    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1985 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    1986 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    2008 Honda Rancher 420
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 6x6 - Fire Breathing 627cc V-Twin Monster
    2010 Chevy Silverado 1500 4x4 LT
    1983 GMC K10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Liter Diesel

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    Just too tell ya, I have one of those rims on my 85 and it is offset a 1/4 to a 1/2 inch on the front!!! now I dont know if its was made that way from the factory like the 85 350x or not....
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorpe View Post
    Well, since the stock tire is a 25-12-9.... I would imagine a 26" tall, 12" wide tire will fit without issue... As for the wheels centering up without any work, good luck with that! (murphys law applied here)

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    Damn shes rough. Looks like a good start though, looking forward to progress pictures. Goodluck!

    Jason
    1985 Honda 250r x2
    1986 Honda 250r
    1986 Honda 250sx
    1985 Honda 250sx x2
    1985 Honda 350x x2
    1986 Honda 350x
    1984 Honda 125m x4
    1983 Honda atc 70 w/ Lifan 125
    1984 Honda atc 70
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    Quote Originally Posted by badass350x View Post
    Just too tell ya, I have one of those rims on my 85 and it is offset a 1/4 to a 1/2 inch on the front!!! now I dont know if its was made that way from the factory like the 85 350x or not....
    What offset are you using, and which side is it too far over?
    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1985 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    1986 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    2008 Honda Rancher 420
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 6x6 - Fire Breathing 627cc V-Twin Monster
    2010 Chevy Silverado 1500 4x4 LT
    1983 GMC K10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Liter Diesel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonewall View Post
    What offset are you using, and which side is it too far over?
    Its supposed to be the stock offset, its over to the drum side!

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    Are you going to get an oem tank??
    MY TRIKES! :
    1- 85 250r NOS engine
    1- 1985 350x
    1- 82 250r + Parts
    1- 86 250es Big Red
    1- 85 200x
    2- 84 200es Big Red
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    1- 73 Atc 70 (project)
    MY Snowmobile's!!
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    you have a very good start for a restore. looks very solid, nice rear fenders, racks and so on

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    It's a one-owner machine, and has been well maintained mechanically so I'm basically just freshening it up. I took the frame, swinger, forks, and various other parts to be powdercoated today. Hopefully those will be done by the end of the week. Now I need to look up some bearings. The plastics look OK from the pictures, but it will be getting new Maiers and a Clark plastic tank. I don't know what I'm going to do yet for the side covers, the kick cover is OK but the left cover is gone. I havn't compared it to my BR, but the rear shock off this one appears to be sprung.
    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1985 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    1986 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    2008 Honda Rancher 420
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 6x6 - Fire Breathing 627cc V-Twin Monster
    2010 Chevy Silverado 1500 4x4 LT
    1983 GMC K10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Liter Diesel

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    I think a metal tank would really set of this restoration I bet a member with a BR tank laying Around would probably be willing to sell you one
    MY TRIKES! :
    1- 85 250r NOS engine
    1- 1985 350x
    1- 82 250r + Parts
    1- 86 250es Big Red
    1- 85 200x
    2- 84 200es Big Red
    1- 84 200M !!MINTY!!
    1- 73 Atc 70 (project)
    MY Snowmobile's!!
    1999 Polaris Indy 440
    1999 Ski-Doo 583
    1993 Polaris Indy 500
    My Dirt Bike
    1986 Dr100
    AND A SCOOTER!! 1986 Honda Spree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonewall View Post
    It's a one-owner machine, and has been well maintained mechanically so I'm basically just freshening it up. I took the frame, swinger, forks, and various other parts to be powdercoated today. Hopefully those will be done by the end of the week. Now I need to look up some bearings. The plastics look OK from the pictures, but it will be getting new Maiers and a Clark plastic tank. I don't know what I'm going to do yet for the side covers, the kick cover is OK but the left cover is gone. I havn't compared it to my BR, but the rear shock off this one appears to be sprung.
    We found most bearings locally for way cheaper than the bike shops
    if you can find some sort of numbers on them.
    Also, did you get your swing races out?
    If you're going thru all that work, some folks will put
    a wooden dowel in the swing tube to take up space and then
    screw in some grease fittings so the swing bearings can be greased with a gun.
    Then again, they usually last 25 years so needing attention 4 times a century might not be a priority.

    My local napa will match shocks by min and max length.
    I see powder coating can cause trouble with threads and races if they are not plugged,
    but most of those guys have watched oc chopper on the discovery channel so hopefully
    they won't powderbake anything critical.

    I'd really enjoy a trike on a workbench being reborn.
    Just wonder where the time would come from.

    Good luck and have a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomer202 View Post
    I think a metal tank would really set of this restoration I bet a member with a BR tank laying Around would probably be willing to sell you one
    The guy I'm restoring it for wants a plastic tank. If it was my choice, I'd try to get a metal one, but it's not my choice...
    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1985 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    1986 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    2008 Honda Rancher 420
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 6x6 - Fire Breathing 627cc V-Twin Monster
    2010 Chevy Silverado 1500 4x4 LT
    1983 GMC K10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Liter Diesel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonewall View Post
    Hey everyone, I decided to start in on restoring an '85 Big Red for a neighbor today, so I'm starting a thread to post my progress and ask questions along the way. This is a one-owner trike that was purchased and used for farm work. It was well taken care of, always properly maintained, and even though it looks like its been through hell, runs great! Most of this restoration will be cosmetic, I plan on having the frame, forks, racks, etc. powdercoated, new plastics, seat and tank. There is one minor carb problem though; if the fuel petcock is left in the "on" position, the carb will slowly leak gas back through the air cleaner and into the airbox. I learned this when it wouldn't start the other morning and I found the airbox full of gas. Is this a common problem, or a really off-the-wall thing? My first guess is that there is a hole or something in the float. Thoughts?
    I've seen floats sink.
    Gas 'on' can also run into the cylinder and dilute the engine oil.
    Fuel valves are not always accurate either.
    ON may be off by 30 degrees so I usually test them.

    Most likely a sticky float needle or cruddy seat.

    Sounds like a real fun project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drjoe171 View Post
    We found most bearings locally for way cheaper than the bike shops
    if you can find some sort of numbers on them.
    Also, did you get your swing races out?
    If you're going thru all that work, some folks will put
    a wooden dowel in the swing tube to take up space and then
    screw in some grease fittings so the swing bearings can be greased with a gun.
    Then again, they usually last 25 years so needing attention 4 times a century might not be a priority.

    My local napa will match shocks by min and max length.
    I see powder coating can cause trouble with threads and races if they are not plugged,
    but most of those guys have watched oc chopper on the discovery channel so hopefully
    they won't powderbake anything critical.

    I'd really enjoy a trike on a workbench being reborn.
    Just wonder where the time would come from.

    Good luck and have a great time.
    I got all the bearings for my 70 from the local Bumper to Bumper/hardware/whatever else you need store, I think they're Timkens. I was just wondering if I should look elsewhere for higher quality or if those are good enough. I'll probably just pack the swing bearings good, since they seem to have a good seal in there. (there was clean origional grease on the retainer cups...)

    I put bolts in all of the threads so they wouldn't get coated. I watch OC Chopper too...

    I love to restore anything, there's something about taking something that everyone else called junk and left for dead, then breathing new life into it...
    I have already restored my 1974 ATC 70, and a 1983 Hustler 950 6x6. (Check that out on 6x6world.com, my username is the same there.) I'm just 17 and taking college classes to finish up my highschool, and I work for my dad off and on when he needs me on the farm, so I can usually find time for this kind of thing.
    1974 Honda ATC 70
    1985 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    1986 Honda ATC 250 ES Big Red
    2008 Honda Rancher 420
    1983 Hustler 945-HK 6x6 - Fire Breathing 627cc V-Twin Monster
    2010 Chevy Silverado 1500 4x4 LT
    1983 GMC K10 Sierra Classic Suburban 6.2 Liter Diesel

    My Feedback:http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...-for-Stonewall

    There is no Z in Diesel!!!

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