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    Quote Originally Posted by Vealmonkey View Post
    The planes may leave a vapor trail, so let me rephrase the question. Show me a jet that upon takeoff and landing leaves a trail lilke that in the 3 frames of the film that the pentagon supplied to the public after being ordered to do so by the federal court system. I know of no commercial jet that leaves such a signature.
    The problem lies in the fact that you're comparing what you saw, with what you are accustomed to seeing. Watching a plane be purposely flown into a building is not common, and comparing what you saw with what you're used to seeing is absurd.

    The plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon was not taking off or landing, it was flown in at maximum speed to inflict the most damage possible. When an airliner is landing, with the intent of transporting it's passenger's safely, it will approach slowly in a maximum lift, "dirty" configuration (landing gear, leading-edge flaps, slats, and trailing-edge flaps extended). To achieve maximum speed, the airliner would have been in "clean" configuration, with everything retracted, so I wouldn't expect it's vapor trail or contrail to look like anything your used to seeing when you go out to the airport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threewheelin-feelin View Post
    17 year old kid? wtf?
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    Fabio, i could not agree with you more on the direction this country is heading. i am definately a believer in this gov't made disasters, i'm surprised you did not mention the Fema concentration camps you can type in to you tube. they are everywhere.
    here is a bit of a read that was in my email


    Joe Angione is a former columnist for The Villages Daily Sun. Click
    Joe Angione to email Joe. An Obama rumor that must never become
    reality A good journalist is usually taught not to print rumors or
    at least never to present them as the truth.



    What I'm going to report here is only a rumor that presently can't be
    confirmed. But it is of such magnitude that it must be made known if only to
    prepare America for a possible terrible eventuality. And while it has not
    been confirmed, neither can it authoritatively and convincingly be denied,
    certainly not in a United States where our
    Constitutional rights are under constant attack. This rumor involves
    an agent of the Department of Homeland Security who allegedly informed a
    reporter at the Canada Free Press of a "false flag" or faked event to be
    initiated by Obama administration operatives in the hope of
    preventing the November presidential elections. Canada Free Press
    (CFP) is an independent, conservative, electronic daily newspaper, updated
    several times a day. It boasts more than 100 writers and columnists who file
    stories regularly to the newspaper from all corners of the globe. According
    to the newspaper's coverage of this DHS "whistleblower," the event would be
    a staged assassination attempt on the life of President Obama that would be
    blamed on "white supremacists" and subsequently used to enrage black and
    Hispanic communities driving them to rioting all across the nation.



    The faked assassination, says the CFP report, would be carried out through
    the assistance of DHS agents, and "other colluders" taking their orders from
    the White House. The objective would be to stir up enough racial unrest to
    justify the imposition of martial law in major urban cities, including
    erecting DHS checkpoints, restricting travel, and delaying (possibly
    indefinitely) the November 2012 elections.
    Doug Hagmann, reporting in the May 8, 2012 edition of the Canada Free Press
    wrote that his informant works in "the upper-echelon of DHS", which he
    described as "effectively under the control of Barack Hussein
    Obama." Hagmann's contact said: "The DHS is actively preparing for
    massive social unrest inside the United States. He then corrected himself,
    stating that 'a civil war' is the more appropriate term.
    Certain elements of the government are not only expecting and
    preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it." The DHS
    whistleblower mentioned a recent meeting at the Department of Homeland
    Security where plans were discussed to use pawns to simulate the rioting
    seen in the Arab Spring countries that would bring on a "controlled chaos"
    for the benefit of the Obama administration.
    "Envisioned by these conspirators are riots starting in urban areas such as
    New York, followed by a disruption of business and commerce,"
    the DHS source added. "They want to restrict travel, if not through high
    energy prices, then by checkpoints and curfews mandated by the rioting and
    unrest...The whole purpose is to keep Obama in office for another term, no
    matter how unpopular he is, as he is not finished changing our country from
    a Constitutional Republic."



    This certainly isn't the first rumor to surface about Mr. Obama's intention
    to subvert the U.S. Constitution, by manipulating economic, racial and
    social issues that would polarize Americans and bring on
    enormous conflict But the full measure of this contrived event, if
    true, involves total suspension of our democratic rights, and repression on
    a scale never thought possible in the America we've
    known and cherished all our lives. It's a rumor that bears
    watching.and is worth spreading because the more people who know about
    it--and understand the high level of deceit and treachery that confronts us
    daily in Washington--the less likely it is for the rumor
    to become a reality. The lesson here is that if people are aware of
    the possibility, even remote, of some great calamity befalling them, they're
    on guard.they're prepared . their defenses are up, and those who would
    commit evil, will back down fearing a confrontation they
    can't win. The more we talk about the potential for a staged, bogus
    presidential assassination that would trigger massive civil unrest and
    possible martial law, the stronger is our defense against it actually
    occurring. The nation will be watching. Patriots everywhere will be on
    alert. The Obama administration will be under scrutiny more intense than
    ever before. It doesn't have the guts to take on millions of
    Americans when we're ready for anything. Sometimes rumors are a good
    thing. --

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetail hunter View Post
    Fabio, i could not agree with you more on the direction this country is heading. i am definately a believer in this gov't made disasters, i'm surprised you did not mention the Fema concentration camps you can type in to you tube. they are everywhere.
    here is a bit of a read that was in my email


    Joe Angione is a former columnist for The Villages Daily Sun. Click
    Joe Angione to email Joe. An Obama rumor that must never become
    reality A good journalist is usually taught not to print rumors or
    at least never to present them as the truth.



    What I'm going to report here is only a rumor that presently can't be
    confirmed. But it is of such magnitude that it must be made known if only to
    prepare America for a possible terrible eventuality. And while it has not
    been confirmed, neither can it authoritatively and convincingly be denied,
    certainly not in a United States where our
    Constitutional rights are under constant attack. This rumor involves
    an agent of the Department of Homeland Security who allegedly informed a
    reporter at the Canada Free Press of a "false flag" or faked event to be
    initiated by Obama administration operatives in the hope of
    preventing the November presidential elections. Canada Free Press
    (CFP) is an independent, conservative, electronic daily newspaper, updated
    several times a day. It boasts more than 100 writers and columnists who file
    stories regularly to the newspaper from all corners of the globe. According
    to the newspaper's coverage of this DHS "whistleblower," the event would be
    a staged assassination attempt on the life of President Obama that would be
    blamed on "white supremacists" and subsequently used to enrage black and
    Hispanic communities driving them to rioting all across the nation.



    The faked assassination, says the CFP report, would be carried out through
    the assistance of DHS agents, and "other colluders" taking their orders from
    the White House. The objective would be to stir up enough racial unrest to
    justify the imposition of martial law in major urban cities, including
    erecting DHS checkpoints, restricting travel, and delaying (possibly
    indefinitely) the November 2012 elections.
    Doug Hagmann, reporting in the May 8, 2012 edition of the Canada Free Press
    wrote that his informant works in "the upper-echelon of DHS", which he
    described as "effectively under the control of Barack Hussein
    Obama." Hagmann's contact said: "The DHS is actively preparing for
    massive social unrest inside the United States. He then corrected himself,
    stating that 'a civil war' is the more appropriate term.
    Certain elements of the government are not only expecting and
    preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it." The DHS
    whistleblower mentioned a recent meeting at the Department of Homeland
    Security where plans were discussed to use pawns to simulate the rioting
    seen in the Arab Spring countries that would bring on a "controlled chaos"
    for the benefit of the Obama administration.
    "Envisioned by these conspirators are riots starting in urban areas such as
    New York, followed by a disruption of business and commerce,"
    the DHS source added. "They want to restrict travel, if not through high
    energy prices, then by checkpoints and curfews mandated by the rioting and
    unrest...The whole purpose is to keep Obama in office for another term, no
    matter how unpopular he is, as he is not finished changing our country from
    a Constitutional Republic."



    This certainly isn't the first rumor to surface about Mr. Obama's intention
    to subvert the U.S. Constitution, by manipulating economic, racial and
    social issues that would polarize Americans and bring on
    enormous conflict But the full measure of this contrived event, if
    true, involves total suspension of our democratic rights, and repression on
    a scale never thought possible in the America we've
    known and cherished all our lives. It's a rumor that bears
    watching.and is worth spreading because the more people who know about
    it--and understand the high level of deceit and treachery that confronts us
    daily in Washington--the less likely it is for the rumor
    to become a reality. The lesson here is that if people are aware of
    the possibility, even remote, of some great calamity befalling them, they're
    on guard.they're prepared . their defenses are up, and those who would
    commit evil, will back down fearing a confrontation they
    can't win. The more we talk about the potential for a staged, bogus
    presidential assassination that would trigger massive civil unrest and
    possible martial law, the stronger is our defense against it actually
    occurring. The nation will be watching. Patriots everywhere will be on
    alert. The Obama administration will be under scrutiny more intense than
    ever before. It doesn't have the guts to take on millions of
    Americans when we're ready for anything. Sometimes rumors are a good
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    Wow, wow, wow....VERY interesting I couldn't agree with you more.
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    yes i think we all need to wake up. and be ready to stand our ground.

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    While I can see how this rumor does apply to what we are discussing here, I would like to point out one important difference between the rumor posted above and the facts that I am ranting about.

    This rumor is just that- a rumor. It is a forwarded email that anybody could have written. We will find out soon enough if it is true or not. I personally do not see that one coming true. What I originally posted about is all fact. Proven facts with video evidence and eye witness accounts. That's why I find it so disturbing and feel the need to inform others about it.
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    i understand completely. and agree with you 100%. you can have billy or one of the other guys delete my post if you want. i don't mean to hijack your thread withspeculation. sorry!

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    I see where you're coming from fabio,but I think it's good you posted that somewhere Whitetail! Doesn't hurt to be aware.
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    Well, fellas. I'm sitting here watching ,,ok,,I hardly ever watch tv,Never the news,cnn or that mind numbing crap,,too MENTION the weather forecasters....ugghh... Ok, the news is on out in My Mom and Dads room.. What do I hear? White supremacist.. I look up and it's PLASTERED across the tv screen. HUGE white letters.. I loosely gathered there was a shooting in Wisconsin? Again,sorry,I don't watch news. The news station { local} Scranton PA } is plastering white supremacist all over the tv screen?... I'm sure it's just a coincidence,it was just odd to see that post last night then this.
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    John,

    Not to be a douche, as I feel something is extremely fishy with 9/11, but as a soldier going overseas because of 9/11, what did you feel about it then and what did the other soldiers think about it?

    Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    While I can see how this rumor does apply to what we are discussing here, I would like to point out one important difference between the rumor posted above and the facts that I am ranting about.

    This rumor is just that- a rumor. It is a forwarded email that anybody could have written. We will find out soon enough if it is true or not. I personally do not see that one coming true. What I originally posted about is all fact. Proven facts with video evidence and eye witness accounts. That's why I find it so disturbing and feel the need to inform others about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeePa View Post
    John,

    Not to be a douche, as I feel something is extremely fishy with 9/11, but as a soldier going overseas because of 9/11, what did you feel about it then and what did the other soldiers think about it?

    Mike
    Mike, do yourself a favor and watch the documentaries.

    Late in 2002 when I got the notice my unit was being deployed, I was a truck driver just starting out with my career. I had worked a couple of jobs driving trucks and was trying to "climb the ladder" into a job that I could make a career out of. I watched as everyone started putting American flags all over the place and drove around with American flags all over their cars. There was a hype for us to go. A hype that I now know was manufactured. I did question it at the time, even though I don't know why. I didn't lace up my boots and go running over to the middle east to exact revenge on those that had attacked us. I was living in the town that I had grown up in, not a lot of money to my name, no girlfriend, and not a whole lot to do. Long story short, I was bored. When I heard the news we were going, I gave my work notice and headed over to my army unit first thing. I was dying to do something different. I wasn't doing it for my family or yours, I was doing it for myself. I wanted to go drive around a foreign country and put my training to use. I wanted to fly across the desert in a tactical (off road) tractor trailer at full speed (which I did do) and play with machine guns (which I did as well). I guess I was just bored and wanted a challenge.
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    John,

    I did watch them. I have always been interested in 9/11 as I felt something was not right. I was mainly asking about if any of this stuff was talked about during your tour and if you felt this way back when you were there. Or maybe this information came about much later or after your tour?

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    I honestly do not remember discussing it at all while we were there.
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    When did you first feel that it was "inside job"? Did you feel this right when you left or later on when you watched everything? Not trying to be a prick but just trying to see when you first felt this way.

    Thanks,

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