Gun control?

[swampthang]

I enjoy hunting and sport shooting. I believe everyone has the right to protect themself. I have taken hunter safety classes as a kid and have all my paperwork and abide by the laws and rules as close as humanly possible. With all the terrible shootings happening and legal mubo jumbo we are all hearing I'd like to start a thread just on this subject so as to not clutter and hijack other threads.

What is everyones opinions on this? If Gov. was to ban the sell of "Assault" rifles there would still be millions of high capacity rifles still in the publics hands so that would not solve anything. Just look at how many 3wheelers are still around. If they banded certain calibar bullets people could still reload and new ammo would just be smuggled as well as guns like drugs are. If bad guys want them they will get them.

I really see no use for high capacity rifles, shotguns,handguns for anything other than combat. Although they are alot of fun you don't really need a 100 round hopper for a shotgun unless you fighting off a huge pack of wolves or maybe Saquatches. With that being said There is plenty of violent crimes that are committed with revolvers and lower count rifles and shotguns. Violents happenes without high capacity weapons but it just makes the violent worse.

The problem nowdays isnt guns its people. If all guns were banded tomorrow all this evil would still be happening. But how do we fix this???

[jays375]

Any laws passed gets there foot in the door for more.Remember the simple 50 cal stuff they wanted to pass?What we need to do is fix are society first.

[riverrat]

My question is, say like in the 50's, there was guns, but no mass shootings like this one, or at least not at the frequency wet are seeing today. What changed in America from then until now. (I believe most of us already know the answer).

Here's the thing, there is an invention that is responsible for way more deaths than the gun, yet the liberals don't attack it like they guns. That invention is called the wheel. we should also ban spoons because people are too fat.

My heart goes out to those people. As the details come out, we will learn there was many signs that he was about to lose it.

[El Camexican]

If Big Brother (AKA The U.N.) were to ever confiscate every gun and bullet on this planet the news headlines would one day read: “Knife wielding maniac stabs 6 pre-school children because his mama didn’t raise him right”. Then when the knives were all taken away by those still claiming to know best some nut would pick up a wood club and the headlines would still be the same. No one single firearm is more dangerous than the next… in the right hands. Granted my wife would have a better chance at taking someone out with a 12 gauge than she would with a 9mm, but I also know people that can hit things with a pistol that most of us would have trouble hitting with a .308 and a scope. Should those people be locked up and punished for knowing how to use a weapon? Me thinks not. Guns are not the problem. A decaying society is, but that’s harder to fix than it is to point the finger of blame at a gun, so here come round 78 of “We need more gun control”. My thought on this latest killing spree is that if just one teacher would have been packing it might have saved a lot of lives last week. I wish just one politician out there had the testicular fortitude to stand up and say “Everyone should be educated on how to handle firearms and should carry a gun at all times to help save lives when one single nut job snaps and needs to be put down”

[mcgyver331]

It's the people not the weapons. but what to do?

[Scootertrash]

Here is a listing of school shootings since the 1700's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_..._United_States


El Canuckxican is 100% right. Instead of demonizing firearms we should be teaching responsible gun handling.

Psychos will use whatever weapon is convenient:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...-knife-attack/

[briano]

I think everyone that can legally own and carry a gun should do so. There would be a lot less crap going down if the crazies knew the other people are armed. As far as the schools, during the summers off the teachers should be required to take a firearms training class and get a concealed carry license, and carry in school. All it would have taken is the principal or a teacher to see this nut job breaking into the school with a gun and someone from the faculty could have stopped him. I just read a story about a principal running out to his car to get his pistol to stop an attack and it worked, can't remember exactly where I saw it, I followed a few different links from our local paper.

So as far as banning guns, no way. Guns don't kill, nut jobs kill. If there are no guns they will use something else.

[Thorpe]

We don't need more gun control... We need stupid people control!

All this new gun control bs will not stop crime, it does not slow down the criminals with their stolen guns, all it does is punish the law abiding citizens who buy their guns legally.

[CRAZY70MAN]

Laws will not stop criminals. Look at the DUI offenders???? 6-7-8- 12 time repeat offenders??? Criminals and crazy people do not and never will give a F#@$ about laws. I have the right to defend myself and own whatever firearm I damn well want to is the way I see it. What's next....banning 747's or jet airplanes?? After all, the jets murdered all the people on 9/11 right?? Oh, no that's right! That would have been the crazy pieces of crap terrorist that were responsible for flying them into the towers Where was that ban at huh??? The end result is the same no matter what the weapon. It is the act not the weapon. Remember "Give satan an inch...and he'll be a ruler" My old 6th grade nun beat that one in my head if I remember correctly??? You are seeing the end of the good old USA as we once knew it. I hope some of us have enough fight left in ourselves to possibly prolong the existence of this beautiful country

[swampthang]

What's strange is with all these public shootings you never hear much about anyone having a gun on them to stop the crazed gunman. Every state but Illinois(which is working on it as we speak) has some kind of Concealed carry law.

[El Camexican]

The Internet is on fire with this issue today. When a deranged wife runs over her lover with a car, or a drunk kills someone you don’t hear people calling for a ban on cars, or booze, just tougher laws for the criminals that committed the act. We as three wheeler fanatics have firsthand experience with Big Brother stepping in and telling us what we can and can’t buy. To ban guns in an effort to control the actions of the mentally unstable would be in effect the same as banning trikes to try eliminate the actions of unqualified drivers. The only difference is that the gun using killers would pick up knives and the incompetent drivers would (do) buy quads. NOTE: I’m not implying in any way that quad drivers are incompetent, only that an incompetent driver has full access to them at the local dealers, just as knives are sold at Wal-Mart to whoever has the cash in hand.

[swampthang]

Another thing to consider is alot of these mass shootings are suicide missions. These people have already made up there mind there going to die. The fear of someone else gunning them down prolly isn't too intemidating or detering. Also another thing to think about is these shooting are lead by men. I havn't seen a woman try anything yet... Its such a confusing subject and very sad.

Like I said earlier this is a people problem. But how to fix it?

[El Camexican]

Also another thing to think about is these shooting are lead by men.

Oddly enough I only know one person who ever shot and killed someone outside of a war and it was a women that pulled the trigger after Prince Charming beat the crud out of her with his unregistered fist for the umpteenth time.

[CRAZY70MAN]

The Internet is on fire with this issue today. When a deranged wife runs over her lover with a car, or a drunk kills someone you don’t hear people calling for a ban on cars, or booze, just tougher laws for the criminals that committed the act. We as three wheeler fanatics have firsthand experience with Big Brother stepping in and telling us what we can and can’t buy. To ban guns in an effort to control the actions of the mentally unstable would be in effect the same as banning trikes to try eliminate the actions of unqualified drivers. The only difference is that the gun using killers would pick up knives and the incompetent drivers would (do) buy quads. NOTE: I’m not implying in any way that quad drivers are incompetent, only that an incompetent driver has full access to them at the local dealers, just as knives are sold at Wal-Mart to whoever has the cash in hand.

I am with ya there. Funny how a motorcycle shop will sell an 18 year old kid a crotch rocket that will do 200 mph?? And not even sell em a helmet? Talk about a death sentence!! 900 lb 4 wheel drive 4 wheelers and razor this and rhino that with 70-80 100 hp??? And you see "KIDS" freakin driving them like maniacs?? I will never understand the 3 wheeler ban and it leaves me bitter as someone said above when the government which is trillions in debt and has not a clue on real life tries to tell me what I can and can't do. People are fed up........and I am one of those people.

[ezmoney1979]

I am with ya there. Funny how a motorcycle shop will sell an 18 year old kid a crotch rocket that will do 200 mph?? And not even sell em a helmet? Talk about a death sentence!! 900 lb 4 wheel drive 4 wheelers and razor this and rhino that with 70-80 100 hp??? And you see "KIDS" freakin driving them like maniacs?? I will never understand the 3 wheeler ban and it leaves me bitter as someone said above when the government which is trillions in debt and has not a clue on real life tries to tell me what I can and can't do. People are fed up........and I am one of those people.

You guys really lose me when you start comparing guns to cars and motorcycles. Does that really make sence to you? This is part of what makes "gun nuts" look, ummmmm............ dumb. Some people say "why do you own a 500 three wheeler" and I agree, just like an assault rifle it is dangerous in the wrong hands and a bit excessive. However I can't pick up my three wheeler and shoot a crowd of innocent people with it. (Ok, it does shoot non-lethal sand) So I do understand the rediculous hobbies us guys have. But the worn out chant of "why don't we ban cars too" is moronic. Cars are a neccesity, guns are not. Pretty simple.