ok here goes, ever since I was little we had 3 Honda foreman 400s and my dads 86 big red, we use them for every thing imaginable and all three foremen's have around 11 thousand miles on them and the big red is just now starting give up. just so you know how hard we use them, let me tell you my grandpa owns a white tail deer ranch with a 250acre preserve separate from the breeding facility, for years we put a 400lbs barrel of water on the back of our red foreman and drove it through the trails to the water tubs we use, every summer we square bale about one thousand bales(we don't own a kicker baller) and we use the foreman's to pull them into the barns, and one full wagon ways 4000lbs. during the winter we have to get feed to the troths in the deer preserve and in the trails in the ravines the snow goes up the racks on the bikes, so my grandpa goes first with our feed cart and 500lbs of grain on his Rubicon and my dad behind him on a foreman then my uncle next on his 350 rancher then me in back on the other foreman, every time some one gest bogged down in the snow the next person rams there bike into the back of the other and pushes them through. I know this all sounds a little crazy, but this is what we use them for year after year. my point in all of this is about comparing our 98 to 01 Hondas against the new so called better Hondas. I think that in 2014 Honda started for some reason following the crowd a little, and just today I got on to the Honda power sports website and saw the 2015 foreman Rubicon and I think I started to cry a little, I will still always be loyal to Honda because of their reliability and unmatched low-end torque, but if they turn to cvt, then sorry Honda I'm out.(but I am going to get a pioneer 500) I may only be 14 but I think I am on to something.