Guns n' Gays...

[Caminofeld]

So I just read about a mass shooting today at a Florida nightclub. Apparently it was the worst in US history, with over 50 dead. The shooter stated he was a member of ISIS.

I know we're always ranting about the tramplings on the ol' 2A, so I have a few questions…

-In the article I read, why did it seem like they were more mad at the "assault rifle", "AR-15", "high capacity assault weapon", "machine gun" (terms used over and over throughout my read) than the RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST who pulled the trigger?

-Florida has SYG and easy to obtain CCW, so why wasn't anyone packing [guns]. Why wasn't one damn person armed and shooting back?

I'm sure the gun grabbers are secretly delighted that they have a new shooting to talk about (if dead children and dead African American churchgoers didn't get the bans through, maybe dead homosexuals will). This is going to be sad to watch…every anti-gun nut in America is going to try and make the slain martyrs for their cause…and I'm sure it won't be long before some religious group says God killed them because they're gay…then that group gets tied by the media to the pro-2A crowd and the masses drink the Kool-aid again...

Hi-caps and "assault weapons" will be a thing of the past soon I'm sure.

Not that I own any, but I would highly recommend "ghost guns" made from 80% lowers…

…and Lancer Tactical makes some amazing 30 rd mags...

[knappyfeet]

I use to believe stricter gun laws or a leap towards Europes style of banning was inevitable........... I'm not so sure now. If slaughtering innocent elementary school children couldn't do it I doubt frolicking gay and lesbians at a "gay bar" in the wee hours of the morning will do it.

Wasent there an off duty officer in the capacity of a security officer on duty/present there? It seems like it would take some time to shoot over a 100 folks with half fatalities.

I pray for them and their families. I hope God comforts the families and heals the wounded.........nobody deserves to die in this manner.

[El Camexican]

I can't imagine what the heck went on in there that the guy could keep stopping and reloading without anybody being able to do something, even to throw a chair or a bottle to distract him long enough to tackle him. Allegedly the emergency exits were chained shut. That's insane, we had about 50 people die here a few years back because the emergency exits were locked at a casino that the Narcos burn down because the owners weren't paying them off. To me this is a classic case of just one gun in the right hands could have prevented most of these deaths, but as you mentioned the Liberals will make sure this is a gun control issue and not a radical nut job issue.

[hoosierlogger]

El Camexican, I had the same thoughts about no one in the whole place had a gun. Not one gun in all of those people. I understand that Florida has concealed carry laws prohibiting a concealed weapon in a bar, but come on. One would think that the law would turn a blind eye on a concealed carry permit holder that was illegally carrying a firearm in a off limits place in a situation like this.

[RUNMEDOWN]

I understand that Florida has concealed carry laws prohibiting a concealed weapon in a bar, but come on.

I think this is the issue, we have the signs on the front of my buildings stating this is a gun free location, what this is actually saying is "There are no guns in this building." I work in an industry that has a lot of ups and downs and people can get upset based on things that are out of my control. We have badge access doors but I would not mind having the option of having my .45 in my desk. Not saying I would but then anyone who feels they need to show up to the building would know it is possible that they may encounter some resistance.

[ironchop]

Not that I own any, but I would highly recommend "ghost guns" made from 80% lowers...

Not that I own any either but besides 80% AR receivers, you can build from "flats" too. Just requires bending and welding I've heard. You can build HK G3 91 93 MP5, AK variants of all kinds, Cetme L, Cetme C, UZI, Sterling's, Suomi's, Mac's, Stens, and dozens of others from a parts kit and an unfinished sheet metal receiver.
Oh.....and 1911 80% receivers are available too

Just throwing that out there



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[hoosierlogger]

I think this is the issue, we have the signs on the front of my buildings stating this is a gun free location, what this is actually saying is "There are no guns in this building." I work in an industry that has a lot of ups and downs and people can get upset based on things that are out of my control. We have badge access doors but I would not mind having the option of having my .45 in my desk. Not saying I would but then anyone who feels they need to show up to the building would know it is possible that they may encounter some resistance.

Another issue is people are being conditioned to run and hide rather than stand and fight. Too many people have a someone else will take care of me attitude.

The signs on private businesses are not above your right to carry a gun into it. The workplace is a different story unless approved by management. As long as they can't see it, they are none the wiser. I carry everywhere. I disregard the signs. I'd rather have a better chance of being alive and facing a few charges rather than being killed or injured in a building where the owner didn't allow guns. I couldn't have it on my mind forever that I could have potentially stopped a bad guy from killing dozens of people because I left my gun in my car because a liberal business owner said I couldn't bring it inside.

What they don't know won't hurt them.

[atc300r]

I work in a public school system in ny.We went to a seminar run by the school districts resource officers who are city police asigned to the school.They want to teach employees to fight.Only thing is they want us to try and disarm the threat.There was talk about training some willing staff members to get and carry firearms.Or putting some sort of arsonal in several places in the buildings with a handful of people having access.Gun laws dont affect these terrorist.

[redsox]

Liberal Logic = If you've ever shot a gun, you're now a homophobic barbarian. There is no cure, but try to start taking your dumps in the ladies room, as it may help you Jennerize. WTF is happening in this world?!?!?!????? How did we get to this point?? This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife... Glamy, i'm losing it, man. I'm losing it!

[atc300r]

We need Glamys input on this.

[El Camexican]

So here I am sitting at the border for over two hours now with at least one hour more to go. Apparently the reaction to an American born person who was investigated by the FBI prior to going nuts and killing a bunch of innocent people because he belonged to a mosque where two other members had already committed suicide attack mission overseas is to increase security at a border where 90% or more of the people crossing are Catholic. Do you feel safer now?

[atc300r]

And people are upset with Trump for wanting to keep them out.WtFh.

[Dirtcrasher]

If I go to a building and a sign says "gun free zone", I'm leaving.

This crap is NUTS!!

[ironchop]

I'm a proud father and gun enthusiast.

My oldest daughter is gay.....

And an elementary school teacher.....

It's like she has TWO things that now make her a fukken target for some loser freak with a gun and a mental issue (sorry but all of Islam's cult bulshyte doctrine aside, you still have to be a nutjob to take it literally and kill unarmed adults and/or children to please an invisible sky god who hates you already, infidel)

The thing that pisses me and my daughters off the most, is that there are people out there who are demanding gun confiscation and bans. Yeah 10% of them like to say stuff like "no, we just want 'common sense' gun control to make it harder to get guns for crazy people", but the other 90% would absolutely support a total ban and occasionally they screw up and say it out loud.

What my daughters and I hear when people who lost nobody to any of these tragedies start foaming at the mouth on Facebook is this:

"I feel terrified and outraged. Even though I'm intelligent enough to know that the police don't even know to respond until the first shot has already been fired into a human and the situation is dire. However, in order for ME to feel safer, OK m going to need those officers to uphold a new law which disarms everyone not on the Fortunate Ones list. I believe nobody has the right to self defense. They are just going to have to pray (where I can't see them and get offended) just pray that they survive the attack until the paramedics and police get there. MY feelings of safety and security are paramount to everyone else's right to defend themselves. Even though I know the Police cannot save everyone from these tragedies, I prefer for my own peace of mind, that everyone be required to be vulnerable to murder 24/7. Even though I know bans NEVER work, as I argued last week on that drug legalization forum, and that there would merely be a sharp increase in new criminal enterprises now selling black market guns attracting all the crime and innocent death that comes with criminal cartels...but hey, as long as I can sleep at night in my safe little community and feel safe and no longer outraged. I don't care that women are easy targets. I don't care that your daughter might die covering my daughter shielding her from a hail of bullets. All I care about is my own feelings and this ridiculous ideology that believes that gun laws or bans do anything. Even though you can't have a gun in France and that didn't stop three douchebags from smuggling illegal full auto AKs into the country to KILL 130 SOME PEOPLE LAS NOVEMBER. See, I'm too busy "on the go" to be troubled with exercising my brain a little. I want whatever is quick and dirty even though it's been proven to make no impact on gun violence but as long as an idea makes me feel better, then let's run with it. I'm busy and your daughters life doesn't matter to me. You must be disarmed because I'm too stupid to realize murder is already illegal so anyone willing to murder will break a gun ban too. Meanwhile, I'm willing to sacrifice all the gays and teachers and children and adults it takes until my utopian ideals are proven correct EVEN IF NEVER.....because EGO.

Im glad she's getting her CCW soon and we are shopping for pistols. I bought them a 12ga for their house.

So sad to see the political party and it's followers that claim to represent LGBT crowd seems perfectly happy to offer them up for cannon fodder to protect the "middle eastern refugee immigrants" agenda and Hillary's AWB agenda.

And BTW.....Look up Wackenhut/ GS4 that Mr Mateen worked for......holy cow, boys and girls, this guy was a VERY high security clearance for government contractors run by CIA. There's WAY more to this than a sexually frustrated loser with Islam ties going off in a gay bar.



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[ironchop]

So here I am sitting at the border for over two hours now with at least one hour more to go. Apparently the reaction to an American born person who was investigated by the FBI prior to going nuts and killing a bunch of innocent people because he belonged to a mosque where two other members had already committed suicide attack mission overseas is to increase security at a border where 90% or more of the people crossing are Catholic. Do you feel safer now?

Nice to see the security effort.

What they are telling US is that this guy is no kind of terrorist with no ties to anyone important but that he was a sexually frustrated gay guy who flipped his lid because his Islam and his butt pirate personalities simply had irreconcilable differences. And that all those ties to a radical mosque and associated with known terrorists and those trips to Radical clerics in Saudi Arabia and all of his own statements to EVERYONE HE ENCOUNTERED.....including his own confession in the 911 call to being ISIS....yeah they tell us that's all just coincidence and "nothing to see here" "closet gay who bought an AR15 and it made him go crazy" because you know how guns are possessed by evil and stuff.

The BEST way to stop Islamic Terrorism is to disarm Americans (sarcasm) OMFG.

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