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  1. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Clean View Post
    3 snows or 4 snows.
    I used to call them 4 Snows, but Kiester kept correcting me.

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    Snow me 3 times ....shame on me ......so the cool kids have sand skate one`s !.......and the reason i brought it up is you can find them on e-gay fairly cheap !......... these are similar but skat tracks .....skates have shorter paddles ..... Rampidrick use to have fun deleting my posts on .org .....oh i miss those days............
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  3. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamy View Post
    Snow me 3 times ....shame on me ......so the cool kids have sand skate one`s !.......and the reason i brought it up is you can find them on e-gay fairly cheap !......... these are similar but skat tracks .....skates have shorter paddles ..... Rampidrick use to have fun deleting my posts on .org .....oh i miss those days............
    I saw lots of tires that looked like that. They didn't throw nearly the amount of roost the paddles did and seemed to allow the guys to hook well.

    Next topic is swing arm length. It seemed that most of the 450 conversions had fairly short swing arms. It didn't apperar to be slowing them down. So what's the deal with guys adding 8 inches and such to their swingers? Is that strictly for straight climbing and drags, or is there something else that the added length gives you in the sand? I find that the 4" I added to mine makes it hard to lift the front end without really trying. I preferred to have the option at all times, but at no point out there did it ever feel like i needed to get on the tank when going up hill. I really don't like the height it added to the trike either.

  4. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Camexican View Post
    I saw lots of tires that looked like that. They didn't throw nearly the amount of roost the paddles did and seemed to allow the guys to hook well.

    Next topic is swing arm length. It seemed that most of the 450 conversions had fairly short swing arms. It didn't apperar to be slowing them down. So what's the deal with guys adding 8 inches and such to their swingers? Is that strictly for straight climbing and drags, or is there something else that the added length gives you in the sand? I find that the 4" I added to mine makes it hard to lift the front end without really trying. I preferred to have the option at all times, but at no point out there did it ever feel like i needed to get on the tank when going up hill. I really don't like the height it added to the trike either.
    Whatever floats your boat ......i got tired of my "250R the gold standard for all ATV`s" lifting off when not needed ........oh i don`t recommend 450`s conversions or Tri-z`s either .....i prefer to ride the inventor of the sport ....Honda ! ......wheres Barn barn barn barn barn ?

  5. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamy View Post
    Whatever floats your boat ......i got tired of my "250R the gold standard for all ATV`s" lifting off when not needed ........oh i don`t recommend 450`s conversions or Tri-z`s either .....i prefer to ride the inventor of the sport ....Honda ! ......wheres Barn barn barn barn barn ?
    This years Invasion had 6 or 7 450 conversions, can't all be cattle riding the "gold standard", understand the logic of somewhat better suspension USD forks along with predictable 4 stroke torque. As we are no longer hill shooters but dune riders the longer arm isn't needed. Watched most 450's riding around the bowls on 2 wheels, front wheel up. Joe's 450 had a 6 inch over arm and during our camp fire discussions mentioned he's going to a shorter one during the off season as he wanted the ability to lift easier with just throttling into it. Hell I took the '86 arm off and replaced with an '88 (1-1/2") shorter arm for the same reason on my hybrid quad.

    Had a set of Skat Track skates on my quad, didn't like the tire flotation effect, 10" wheels verses 8" standard Skat haulers, traded them to another member back a couple Invasions ago, in hind site wished I'd kept them for my XR500 trike. Tried a set of lightened/shaved Sand Tire Unlimited tires and liked them on my trike, didn't seem to feel the roll over effect while turning.

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    84 YT60
    85 350x (423cc) with 81 XL500 head conversion
    83 XR500 (628cc) converted 3 Wheel hybrid
    73 CB750 K3 converted 3 Wheel hybrid
    86 TRX250R chassis XR650L engine hybrid
    89 TRX250R (stock )
    90 LT500 Quadzilla
    85 FL350 Odysses ( water cooled head )
    Lost (sold) but not forgotten 80 ATC 110 (205cc on alcohol ) 83 200x ( 222cc ) 83 200x ( 185s eng ) 85 350x ( stock )
    added to the collection recently, (2) '70 US90 Aquarius Blue and '74 ATC90 Daytona Orange

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    Quote Originally Posted by HairyJR View Post
    This years Invasion had 6 or 7 450 conversions
    Excuse my naivete but I've always wondered why there isn't more 650 conversions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knappyfeet View Post
    Excuse my naivete but I've always wondered why there isn't more 650 conversions.
    Sorry didn't take many pictures this year. The Crum gang brought 2 or 3 XR600/650 electric start motor trikes. Heard rumor 2 other trikes are in the build process. Trike with the orange helmet is one of the 650's.

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    84 YT60
    85 350x (423cc) with 81 XL500 head conversion
    83 XR500 (628cc) converted 3 Wheel hybrid
    73 CB750 K3 converted 3 Wheel hybrid
    86 TRX250R chassis XR650L engine hybrid
    89 TRX250R (stock )
    90 LT500 Quadzilla
    85 FL350 Odysses ( water cooled head )
    Lost (sold) but not forgotten 80 ATC 110 (205cc on alcohol ) 83 200x ( 222cc ) 83 200x ( 185s eng ) 85 350x ( stock )
    added to the collection recently, (2) '70 US90 Aquarius Blue and '74 ATC90 Daytona Orange

  8. #113
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    Like the Big Oscar
    '85 350X-XR500 Hybrid,
    Nicholson Framed: 90/110, 185s, Gen I 500, Gen II 500
    Bandito Framed 90
    Vey's Framed 90

  9. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by RapidRick View Post
    Like the Big Oscar
    Yea one of the brightest lights available from the then famous desert racer "Al Baker" "XR's Only", 100 watt bulb. Still brighter than any of any original equipment ATV bulbs. Yes the current HID or LED systems are brighter.

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    84 YT60
    85 350x (423cc) with 81 XL500 head conversion
    83 XR500 (628cc) converted 3 Wheel hybrid
    73 CB750 K3 converted 3 Wheel hybrid
    86 TRX250R chassis XR650L engine hybrid
    89 TRX250R (stock )
    90 LT500 Quadzilla
    85 FL350 Odysses ( water cooled head )
    Lost (sold) but not forgotten 80 ATC 110 (205cc on alcohol ) 83 200x ( 222cc ) 83 200x ( 185s eng ) 85 350x ( stock )
    added to the collection recently, (2) '70 US90 Aquarius Blue and '74 ATC90 Daytona Orange

  10. #115
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    Agreed, I have two packed away.
    '85 350X-XR500 Hybrid,
    Nicholson Framed: 90/110, 185s, Gen I 500, Gen II 500
    Bandito Framed 90
    Vey's Framed 90

  11. #116
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    HairyJR's Quad


  12. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Camexican View Post
    HairyJR's Quad
    You really have to see it and his thumper trike in person to appreciate how bitchin' they really are. Cool stuff indeed.

  13. #118
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    Making incremental improvements to my stock R has been a real learning experience.
    My R is running the original piston, no airbox lid, VForce3 reeds, PWK flat side caab, KR pipe, Durablue axle, stock swingarm and "v-type" paddles (Sand Skate, I think?) in the rear and a shark fin looking tire up front. This year was my 5th time riding dunes.

    My next move would be an extended swingarm. I wouldn't say I "need" one, but Test, Patton Valley, and China wall are very challenging for me. I'd basically like to lose the pucker factor that comes at the tops of those climbs. But honestly, it would come in handy only on the biggest hills. Everywhere else is a non issue.
    Since +2, 3, ,4 swingers don't grow on trees I am ok with running stock length for now. If I come across a good deal on one someday, I'll buy an extended.

    As for tires, the v-paddles work for me, but then again they are all I've ever known, so I don't have a good comparison. I bought them in 2013 used because Kasey gave me a good deal on them. I had no paddles at the time, so any set was better than none. I have no complaints with them at all. When they are worn out (and they are getting there) I will replace them with flat paddles. Duners call them "haulers", and from what I've heard, less is more when choosing the number of paddles on the tire. I am curious to try them out and feel the difference for myself. Maybe 6 paddle haulers?
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  14. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Camexican View Post
    HairyJR's Quad

    I sounds like it's not even trying hard. What a beast.

    Sent from my Z958 using Tapatalk

  15. #120
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    Torque, torque, and more torque.
    '85 350X-XR500 Hybrid,
    Nicholson Framed: 90/110, 185s, Gen I 500, Gen II 500
    Bandito Framed 90
    Vey's Framed 90

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