harassment of members by members

[oscarmayer]

This needs to end. The issue lies not with those directly involved in any issues but those whom think they have a personal "mission" to make a wrong right. that in itself is wrong. If your not directly involve din a problem you need to stay the hell out of it. posting a I'm sorry or that sucks is one thing, actively hunting down and harassing someone is a completely different story. if your not mature enough to see that your NOT a cop, your NOT an enforcer and your NOT even involved in what was claimed and especially one that your not even seeing BOTH sides of the argument, then you need to stay the hell out of the discussion....

we all have opinions. opinions are exactly like assholes. they stink and are full of . forcing your ideology onto someone is not only morally and ethically wrong, it is ILLEGEAL.

I will not go into details about why I am posting this, but know it is WAY past due.
posting and Harassment, Slander and damaging opinions that damage one's character, business or lively hood as a fact can get you jail time and or at a minimum fined and sued. just because your sitting behind a keyboard does not mean you are protected and hidden. it is very easy to track your ip and trace exactly what house your at. that is how the police find people from online all the time.
let's recap.
if your not involved in an issue, keep the out of it
if your involved state FACTS. your opinions and feelings do NOT mean . BE honest when you post. stop making up...
NEVER find the person your "friend" is having an issue with and harass them or attack them publically or online. this is illegal and gets you JAIL TIME....
NEVER think your safe because your IP tells all to the authorities or someone whom knows how to locate it and trace it.

over all online is fine, but if you cross paths with the wrong person/people you could end up in a bad situation in real life. keep yourself safe and keep your harassments to yourself. remember, what are you going to REALLY and HONESTLY do if you see them in real life? just because you see a user name and a typed message, know there is a person behind that name and message just like you. your no different. treat people with respect and you will be respected...

peace out..

[fabiodriven]

I'm very comfortable with the light in which I've portrayed myself within my community.

[redsox]

Several responses, if I may.

1. I completely disagree with your first point of not getting involved. You're saying that if someone is getting robbed, but it does not directly involve you, you should ignore it? Thats not what I would teach my children. I also don't think that that is what you believe, Oscar. I base that statement on your Marine Corps reference in your signature. "Staying the hell out" of a problem you're not directly involved in has historically been bad policy. See the shop owning Jews in Warsaw, circa 1939. How'd that "not my problem" strategy pan out?

2. I keep hearing that "you don't know both sides of the argument!" Its like a Clinton campaign talking point. Repeat it, repeat it, repeat it. Ok, Oscar, you're right. I don't have all the information. One side of the argument has provided texts, emails, and multiple independent personal accounts of what has been happening. The other side has said nothing. I've learned in my lifetime to pay close attention to what is not said. This isn't a legal issue, where one side is keeping quiet so as to not bias a court proceeding. Its friggin 3WW! If he has a reason, lets hear it. The court of public opinion is all ears!

3. This is an online 3 wheeler forum. The cops aren't tracking IP's and nobody is getting arrested for libel. Several people feel that they got beat on a shock deal. Thats all. Back the melodrama down off of 11.

4. You're telling the friends of those concerned to stay uninvolved. Aren't you yourself just that? A friend of a party concerned? I may have missed it, but are you, yourself, directly personally involved?

Thats all, man. No hard feelings. Just take a deep breath before you lash out at a group who did no wrong.

[fabiodriven]

Personally I'd like to see the laws regarding "forcing your ideology onto someone". I'd be very interested in seeing that.

That being said, in case anyone is unaware, Milner Brown (onformula1) did unsatisfactory work in an untimely fashion and intentionally ignored his customers and lied to them repeatedly. We all know that for fact. Milner has never spoken truthfully or given an explanation as to why he has done this, therefore leaving it open to interpretation by his own free will. He has made his impression upon the community by his own choice. I, and others like me, are merely advertising the choice which Milner has made. I will continue to do so.

Oscar is the spokesman, a friend of the man who has flustered the community with his intention of lying and in some cases, stealing. You are exactly what you're speaking against Oscar, and no matter how you phrase the explanation, we all know very well what has happened here and we all know who you and your friend are.

There is nothing libelous about myself or anyone else speaking the truth which is customers were unhappy, Milner chose to lie and ignore his customers, and Oscar is friends with Milner and stands by Milner's actions. I think we can agree that's all fact, correct?

So what is it you want? You want us to just forget the problems you two have caused without so much as even an apology, a reason, an admission of guilt, or even acknowledgement that this whole situation ever took place?

Oscar part of me is amazed you'd even start a thread like this, but then I remember who you are. Just so you know, you don't sound smart when you try to use big words and false accusations. I don't know what planet you live on where that works, but you've got a very tough and intelligent crowd here. You'd have as much success trying to speak to someone in French without knowing the language.

[Scootertrash]

redsox is 100% on target. Ne'er do wells and their associates deserve to be outed to the public by those around them who disapprove of their activities.

Ya know, I've pretty much stayed out of this whole fiasco save for a few wise cracks to try to diffuse some tension, but this bull sh!t is getting ridiculous.

"Associate with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation; for it is better to be alone than in bad company." -George Washington

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke.

“If you choose bad companions, no one will believe that you are anything but bad yourself.” ― Aesop

The issue lies not with those directly involved in any issues but those whom think they have a personal "mission" to make a wrong right. that in itself is wrong.

B.S. Since when is it wrong to stand up for what is right? Then your neighbors shouldn't call the cops when they see someone breaking into your house, stealing your sh!t, etc. Strangers shouldn't call the cops when they see someone getting robbed or beaten, etc, etc, etc.

If you hadn't made it a personal "mission" to defend a guy that ripped off members, you wouldn't be in the situation you're in now would you?

we all have opinions. opinions are exactly like assholes. they stink and are full of .

Including yours.

forcing your ideology onto someone is not only morally and ethically wrong, it is ILLEGEAL.

Since when is standing up for what is right and being honest an "ideology"? And since when is it ILLEGAL?

ideology [(eye-dee-ol-uh-jee, id-ee-ol-uh-jee)]

A system of beliefs or theories, usually political, held by an individual or a group. Capitalism, communism, and socialism are usually called ideologies.

posting and Harassment, Slander and damaging opinions that damage one's character, business or lively hood

slander
noun slan·der \ˈslan-dər\

a false statement that damages another person's reputation

See what I did there?

your opinions and feelings do NOT mean .

And neither do yours

but if you cross paths with the wrong person/people you could end up in a bad situation in real life.

Orly?

what are you going to REALLY and HONESTLY do if you see them in real life?

And what are THEY going to do? Seriously. You don't think that these last 2 comments work both ways?

keep yourself safe and keep your harassments to yourself

Is that a threat? Sounds like one to me.

treat people with respect and you will be respected

Another 2-way street that you're trying to turn into a 1-way. Your buddy should post a thread and show his waiting customers some respect with some apologies and explanations instead of you coming here to try to defend him. How does it feel being someones patsy?

You just disrespected a handful of people who were standing up for what is right in the "other thread". That itself is unethical and immoral.

Maybe you should apply all of your "ethical" statements to yourself and quit being the middlestooge for a guy who won't even stand up for himself even tho he's been online multiple times since this sh!tstorm started, all because of HIS actions.

Lastly: For cryin' out loud proofread your posts or use spellcheck or something so you at least seem half-a$$ed educated.

Now back to the previously scheduled shyteshow. Enjoy your programming, be sure to clean up and shower after the show!

[Scootertrash]

Personally I'd like to see the laws regarding "forcing your ideology onto someone". I'd be very interested in seeing that.

That being said, in case anyone is unaware, Milner Brown (onformula1) did unsatisfactory work in an untimely fashion and intentionally ignored his customers and lied to them repeatedly. We all know that for fact. Milner has never spoken truthfully or given an explanation as to why he has done this, therefore leaving it open to interpretation by his own free will. He has made his impression upon the community by his own choice. I, and others like me, are merely advertising the choice which Milner has made. I will continue to do so.

Oscar is the spokesman, a friend of the man who has flustered the community with his intention of lying and in some cases, stealing. You are exactly what you're speaking against Oscar, and no matter how you phrase the explanation, we all know very well what has happened here and we all know who you and your friend are.

There is nothing libelous about myself or anyone else speaking the truth which is customers were unhappy, Milner chose to lie and ignore his customers, and Oscar is friends with Milner and stands by Milner's actions. I think we can agree that's all fact, correct?

So what is it you want? You want us to just forget the problems you two have caused without so much as even an apology, a reason, an admission of guilt, or even acknowledgement that this whole situation ever took place?

Oscar part of me is amazed you'd even start a thread like this, but then I remember who you are. Just so you know, you don't sound smart when you try to use big words and false accusations. I don't know what planet you live on where that works, but you've got a very tough and intelligent crowd here. You'd have as much success trying to speak to someone in French without knowing the language.

Oui

[Helopilots]

oscarmayer, you sound guilty as hell with your opening statement. You should take Scootertrash's advice and proofread your statements before hitting the go button.

Besides, you sound like a little beeyach with all the whining and whatnot and that's just bad form.

My advice, even if you aren't interested and because you put us all in the precarious predicament of reading that train wreck above, is to make right with the people you've wronged. The court of public opinion IS very powerful whether you like it or not. And, unfortunately you'd have to post how you did the good deed for all to see before you can begin to repair the damage.

Your claims of unlawful behavior is completely inaccurate. My creditials, because you need those as well before you say, "nuh uhh", is that I was a State Trooper for 14 years and I've picked up a criminal law digest now and again and read the words contained therein. You should do the same before making threats of any kind.

I hope you find this helpful and I wish you luck in rebuilding the character you appear to have destroyed.

[El Camexican]

Wow Oscar, great post. Now if you could please break it down a little for me.

Start with this, the most pertinent question of all: WHY ISN’T MILNER DEFENDING HIMSELF?

How did you become his legal counsel? Did he hire you? Are you self-appointed, or does your representation fall under "If you don’t have or can’t afford a lawyer some dimwit will be appointed to you”?

So Mr. Shapiro; are you suggesting to the Court of Public Opinion that people refrain from confronting someone who’s lying and stealing from others unless they were robbed from as well? By that standard do we take it that if you see a stranger entering your neighbor’s house through a window that you say and do nothing? Or that if we see a screaming kid getting dragged into a car we don’t even ask if it’s their parent? Or do you see these examples as being different from say someone who takes people’s money and parts in return for a few lies? And by the rest of your bantering’s are you insinuating that someone should go to jail for sending items and money to someone who didn’t return them, or provide the services that were agreed upon? What would the charge be, willful stupidity? If so, please put me down for the death penalty.

Are you suggesting below that anyone complaining about being ripped off by someone best not say anything as it could result in a physically harmful confrontation someday?

if you cross paths with the wrong person/people you could end up in a bad situation in real life.

That sounds a lot like a threat, are you threatening people on here? Are you suggesting that me, my friends or others could risk physical harm, or property damage at the hand of you or Milner by attending a public three wheeler event like the Imperial Invasion? Spell it out for me Mike, I hate guessing.

posting and Harassment, Slander and damaging opinions that damage one's character, business or lively hood as a fact can get you jail time and or at a minimum fined and sued

Anyone can sue anyone, it’s the American way, but winning is another thing, especially when the truth is well documented. Speaking of legalities, any thoughts on what the laws are on running a business out of your home in a residential area? Or not paying taxes on income generated by a side business? What about anodizing and powder coating on residential property for commercial gain? Would that affect any mortgage agreements? Any legal insight on this Councilor? And what can you tell us about these FB auctions, like for a spray bombed trike. Do the profits need to be declared as income? I hear FB allows them, but the Texas Attorney General’s office seems to have their own rules about things like that. Unless of course you’re a church. Just keep in mind that blindly worshiping a liar and a cheat doesn’t necessarily qualify as a religion.

A parting thought… Did it every occur to you or your buddy that returning people’s property and/or money might solve a lot of his problems?

[El Camexican]

Hey look! It's Oscar fending off all the bad guys single handedly

[Ghostv2]

Where are these on the list of forum rules? Did we just get new rules? If I don't follow them will someone track my IP and come and beat me up? Is that what I'm suppose to gather from this?

Damn, this is a tightly run ship ran by the visitors these days.

[Bren_downe]

Learn to swim

[El Camexican]

Where are these on the list of forum rules? Did we just get new rules? If I don't follow them will someone track my IP and come and beat me up? Is that what I'm suppose to gather from this?

Did you not read the fine print when you joined? It's not just this, you also have to name your first born child Billy, or they take your edit button away!

[3 Wheel Drive]

[Dirtcrasher]

Damn Oscar, can't you see any problem here aside from someone else's problem??

And BAM!! 2017 Doesn't change SH!T!!

[Scootertrash]

I think I've found a solution to OPs posts!




ETA: I also think what a member does to his (or her) member in the privacy of their own home is their own business.....I've heard it called many things in my long and storied life, but never harassment.