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    Here's something else to think about:

    Quote Originally Posted by fabiodriven View Post
    ...when two 767's achieved amazing by a pilot's standards maneuvers even though they were flown by people who were not pilots and flew them into two buildings...
    Any "Flight Simulator" aficionado could have flown those planes into those buildings. Once airborne, flying an airliner (with total disregard to safety & standards), doesn't take much skill at all. On the other hand, flying an airliner through all of it's phases of flight (takeoff, climb, cruise, descent, & landing), and doing so safely while operating within the constraints of the National Airspace System, Federal Aviation Regulations, Aircraft Operators Manual, & company policy is very difficult.

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    ...which were designed to take a direct hit from a commercial airliner, which when they were built was the 707, a heavier plane than the 767...
    There are many different variants of the B-707, some with lower max. takeoff weights & some with higher max. takeoff weights than the B-767-200ER. So, exactly which B-707 were the WTC's designed to withstand an impact from? Even if the WTC buildings were designed to handle a direct hit from a B-707, what speed was it assumed the B-707 would be going? Throughout history, several structures were supposedly designed to meet a certain standard, yet later on were determined (usually after failure), to have never met those standards, or could no longer meet those standards due to maintenance & upkeep practices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsox View Post
    Thorpe, I'm glad that you and your family are OK. That was a war zone. Horrific. I can't disagree with your account, nor do I have any reason to believe otherwise. Like I said in my first post, i think more will come with this. A vacuum of information will get filled with misinformation. I do wonder, was anyone struck with any rounds near PH? Were there any victims? I would think that a mobile shooter on the ground with a short barrel, high power 223 would be easily able to inflict some real damage in those massive crowds. I also think that someone like that would have shown up on camera somewhere. Allow me to float another possibility. Do you think what you heard might have been return fire from Law Enforcement? It seems unlikely based on the topography, but i wouldn't discount the possibility. Law Enforcement has historically overestimated the capabilities of their weapons. Especially those other than their sidearm, that they are not accustomed to carrying, and probably only qualify with yearly. That would not only account for the lack of killed or wounded at PH and other places, but also the lack of video of the shots, as LE would have likely cleared the area where they were. I suppose that would raise the question of where did the rounds go? I don't know. I do know that the gunfire in Watertown following the Marathon Bomber manhunt was almost exclusively LE and it was undisciplined and wild. Its amazing more people were not killed. I'm just wondering if the same applies to the LV scene, being that it was an extended event. Are you thinking that the shooter on the ground is still outstanding? Or, are you theorizing that he/she was killed and covered up due to muslim/russian/korean affiliation? All of it interesting fodder i think.

    The gun control aspect of this event is just foolish i think. Does anyone feel otherwise? I think that argument ha been put to bed on this thread, as we are on the same page. (at least theres that)
    Well Redsox... If anyone was struck, I do not know. PH was making sure that things were as close to normal as they could. I guess the thoughts of tarnishing their reputation and losing millions a day has that effect. (Or guessing, as I don't have millions to play with) Camera's... Would those be the same ones showing Paddock wheeling in hundreds of pounds of artillery? I cannot say that the return fire could positively not have been LE, but at the time, it was not Police there, but security guards. I think any and all available LE was at Mandalay Bay. Security (while I was standing there before the shtf) did not have rifles in tow. Round placement... Guessing the autopsy of those slot machines may answer that question. As to what happened to the "shooter", this I do not know. I am a sheet metal worker, not a cop, or detective. My biggest priority at the moment was keeping momma safe and trying to avoid catching any unwanted lead.

    What I do know, is that as a 2nd amendment enthusiast, I spend a lot of time at the range, and a lot of time at my reloading bench, and quite a bit of time in the woods. I do know that when you start hearing those range sounds, inside the casino, it's not time to investigate, and compare notes with the enigmatic person wielding the noisy tools...
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    I'm not going to squabble over semantics and a few thousand pounds, that's irrelevant. Here's some science and physics for you. Pretend you saw it on the news, maybe you'll understand.

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    There are videos out there,or I never would have posted . Those videos that I saw,are now gone with the wind. How Scooter found that one, IDK. I had no intentions of muddying Vegas' thread, I apologize. Myself, I don't care for liars,,never have . Before I could "move on" or try and deal with any of this. I would need to feed myself full of all of the facts I could find to try and deal with it. But that is just me,and no one elses problem. If my family or friends corpse was recovered 5 blocks down the road,,with 5 or 6 hotels standing in between them and the MB. I would not be happy. It happened. We have a man that was there, and the truth still won't be listened too. I'm going to bed.
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    I am truly sorry for the loss of life in Vegas. I suppose that the motive is irrelevant if you were personally touched by this event. I'm sorry I took this thread in the wrong direction. I'll move my curiosity elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamy View Post
    It twas ......Israeli jew boys !.......those Kanish eating muvfaecker`s ! ......this jason aldean twanger could of grabbed the mike and at least told the people to run to the hills ......run for your life ! ........he just runs off stage like a puss .......so much for twangers ! ......went thru the urban cowboy faze a long time ago !
    C'mon brother. I'm no Jason Aldean fan by any stretch of the imagination, but you can't lay any blame at his feet. Don't Monday Morning Quarterback anyone running for their lives as bullets start raining down. Say he does say "run motherfackers" and 200 people are killed due to trampling, how many people would crucify the guy?

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