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    New to me 84 250 big red maybe

    Bought a basketcase last night. Guy said had it running a month ago before he rebuilt the bottom end. No spark now but after looking it over more it has some major problems. Hacked up wiring harness for starters. Starter has the main wire going in where can pull it out. No idea how it turned over with the starter last night but it did. Numbers on the engine are TB05E-6033019 which if am reading it right says is a 83 200X. The carb hits the crossmember so they cut one side loose with a grinder and pried it up to clear the top of the carb. I am in hopes someone can enlighten me what I am dealing with other then someone else's mess. The VIN says is a 200 made in 84. I have rewired my 77 FXE Shovelhead with no problem once I found a schematic.

    The transmission will need some TLC as well the bolt broke off so they welded the shifter to the shaft. There is no pull rope stater and tranny says it has reverse. Where the pull rope mounts is a small splined shaft as well I have no idea what it is for. I have purchased a shop manual for an 84 but not here yet. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    Oofta... You should pin down the model first, then go through each component per the shop manual.

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    To replace the transmission shift shaft will it need to be split? Just found there is no bottom in the battery box as well. The frame we haven't determined yet but something isn't right as the crossmember where seat mounts hits the carb and they cut then pried the frame up as hits the carb top.

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    cut crossmember and shaft

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    Took me a bit to figure the picture posting out. Hope these help to explain a tad better.

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    More pictures

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    Will get a good shot of it and a number as think saw that when was daylight. Eliminate the wash out from the flash that way. Yep gonna be a challenge it seems.

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    Not really paid them that much attention yet but seemed not real bad or big pieces missing. Noted they tossed the headlight and has an LED bar in place of it. Figured if it turned over and was some compression it can be made to run most likely. My manual won't be here for another week so can look it over some for obvious things and continue from there. Oil looks pretty sorry but always change that on everything I adopt. Shaft drive is new to me as well. All have been around before were chain drive.

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    barnett468 is offline FACT ! I have no edit button Arm chair racerThe day begins with 3WW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapperpete52 View Post
    Bought a basketcase last night. ...has some major problems.

    No spark...
    Hacked up wiring harness
    Starter has the main wire going in where can pull it out.
    Numbers on the engine are TB05E-6033019 which if am reading it right says is a 83 200X.
    The carb hits the crossmember so they cut one side loose with a grinder and pried it up to clear the top of the carb.
    The VIN says is a 200 made in 84.
    The transmission will need some TLC as well the bolt broke off so they welded the shifter to the shaft.
    There is no pull rope
    no bottom in the battery box

    Any help is greatly appreciated.
    Buy a better one to build?


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    BarnBoy is offline Just Too Addicted Arm chair racerJust too addicted
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnett468 View Post
    Buy a better one to build?


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    I agree. You are gonna put a lot more money into that bike just to get it rideable than it would cost to buy a running driving bike in decent shape. Would make a good parts bike though. As they say, cant make a silk purse from a sows ear.
    1984 HONDA ATC200M - OG, mid-restoration
    1981 HONDA ATC200 - future build
    1981 HONDA ATC185S - parts
    1984 ATC200X - roller, future build
    1984 Honda ATC250r - in a million pieces- ISO grab bar, PM if you have one

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    Being hard headed and like a challenge I will pursue this for awhile anyway. Click image for larger version. 

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    BarnBoy is offline Just Too Addicted Arm chair racerJust too addicted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapperpete52 View Post
    Being hard headed and like a challenge I will pursue this for awhile anyway. Click image for larger version. 

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    Go for it. I hope you can get it going. I will admit you will learn a lot more by fixing up this one vs buying one that is ready to go. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out. If you need a shifter shaft I may have one, PM if interested and I can look.

    For manuals I would suggest ( http://oscarmayer.net/atc/manuals/ ) I think the guy who runs that site is on here, and its got manuals for all the Honda ATC's.
    1984 HONDA ATC200M - OG, mid-restoration
    1981 HONDA ATC200 - future build
    1981 HONDA ATC185S - parts
    1984 ATC200X - roller, future build
    1984 Honda ATC250r - in a million pieces- ISO grab bar, PM if you have one

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