//ArrowChat Code
Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 ... LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 101

Thread: 83 ATC 200e questions

  1. #16
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    USA
    --
    4,114
    Sprocket wear is fairly easy to see, the service manual should show it, but maybe grab and 350x or 250r one for a bit newer manual with good diagrams and such. Basically the points of the sprocket should be straight, and the tips shouldn't be sharp. If you've seen a new sprocket for the typical atv chain size, you've probably noticed how wide the flat is. I can't remember off hand if just when it's pointy is when it's considered worn out or what, but I kind of think that's the case.

    Cheap/junk sprockets are likely mild steel or not treated, the quality ones seem to be hardened though. If you can do the heat treating your self (not super hard), you could heat a normal front sprocket for something and make it loose its heat treating and machine the pipe section of the sprocket and make the two go together. Might be a fun project for you to do. Not sure how hard the actual sprocket points are to machine. I suspect if you have access to the machines that do that kind of machining it should be pretty accurate.

    I suspect you don't live near Michigan for an easy access into the states. I'm quite far from the Canadian boarder but could be an option if you wanted to make a vacation out of it or something.

    There's a company called sprocket specialists, maybe they can get you the sprockets for a reasonable price. My dad bought their custom sprockets for a 350 warrior that we ran 28in mud tires on the back, so 1 tooth smaller front than what's available, and like a 52 tooth rear, biggest I think was 48, stock was like 13 and 40 lol. Anyway, we mud bogged and abused the snot out of the machine for years and years and they are holding up just like the OEM sprockets, we kept getting the aftermarket ones that the tips wanted to bend and the chain always came loose fast like it wasn't machined for the right chain size.

    Here's their site: https://sprocketspecialists.com/

  2. #17
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Oh cool man, learning a lot here already. That’s a good idea, I could definitely machine one with the help of my instructor. He likes projects so most likely he will help me. Also I’m far from the border, I’m basically as Far East as you can go. I know my bike calls for a 11/47 tooth set up. The 200 came with a brand new set of tires on it, they’re 25 inch bear claws. I was out poking at the bike for a while, painted some racks and stuff. I made a few observations, the chain is definitely on the worn out side as it has excessive sideways play in it. Also the rear sprocket isn’t sharp but in comparison to my other used sprockets it’s certainly worn down.
    Also noticed that in order to remove the inner chain guard I got to pull the axle out of the bike. The “flanged” section of the axle close to where rear sprocket mounts wouldn’t be able to clear the guard. Bit bummed about that.
    Will try the source you mentioned for the sprockets, looks like I’ll be waiting on them in the mail either way. In the mean time I’ll keep picking at the bike. At this rate I’ll probably have the whole frame painted in no time haha. I got good paint left over from my truck projects so I’m making sure it goes to good use!

  3. #18
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    USA
    --
    4,114
    I thought you put the rear end on a jack stand, remove the left tire, pull the hub off and the back washer thing, and the axle is basically a straight shot to remove the little plate to remove the whole cover or something like that? Never had a 200E, but the 200S and a lot of 200 models had a similar design.

    Below is the chain sprocket details from an atc90 manual, seems like all of them are effectively the same though. I swear I saw one that showed the different kinds of wear and good vs bad etc, must have been a Yamaha manual or something. In my thinking, as the chain wears at the sprocket, it's going to wear the front side of the teeth, so the contact surface from one tooth to the other shouldn't really change with some wear. The chain does stretch over time though, so the sprockets won't match a new chain, so best to replace as a set.

    11 up front is pretty low count, I wonder why they didn't size it with a 12 and 51. The warrior smallest sprocket was 12, the custom one my dad had made was 11.

    I'm pretty sure it's pretty normal for the chain to have the side to side wear, just means it has stretched a bit (wear per pin in the chain), the sprockets should have the same wear to match the chain though assuming the teeth of the sprocket are straight and still have the tips flat. I've rode machines before where the sprocket was so worn, it had tiny tips sticking up like 1/2 as high as the normal sprocket tooth, and the chain would actually skip some times under heavy take off. Kind of crazy how robust that system can be.

    I suspect if you can make the front sprocket, you can make the rear one too. I'm not exactly a machinist, but I can grasp a lot of the concepts they use and the type of math used. I do a lot of programming, so I'm fairly sharp with math yet. You'll defo need the link spacing numbers to calculate the sprocket size for a given tooth count, and figure out how deep the mill cuts will be for the chain to ride on, and what size etc. Probably all the stuff your instructor would be better suited to help you with. If you do tackle the sprocket project, be sure to post your project results, or even like the steps you use. I'm sure a lot of people would love to see the process. As for hardening, I think just red/orange hot and oil dipped a couple times, then blue it should be about right, just make sure you have everything right at that point because isn't no fun drilling or tapping holes after that point. I'm not sure how the front sprocket has the power transferred to the sprocket part, I'm guessing probably splines on the shaft it rides on. That might be a bit hard to machine, but not really experienced in that area at all.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	chain.jpg 
Views:	45 
Size:	86.8 KB 
ID:	258555  

  4. #19
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    milky way galaxy
    --
    94
    Are you by any chance anywhere near labrador? I’ll bet if there’s a good parts machine in the area with two good sprockets, the two older guys from crb would know where to find it. Last stop garage is my absolute favorite show, they fix and make things the way I would.

  5. #20
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by HorseMcHorseman View Post
    Are you by any chance anywhere near labrador? I’ll bet if there’s a good parts machine in the area with two good sprockets, the two older guys from crb would know where to find it. Last stop garage is my absolute favorite show, they fix and make things the way I would.
    Yea pretty close to Labrador, Labrador is considered part of my province. I was looking to my spare parts again yesterday, I have one good rear sprocket but it’s a different style, the one on my bike is a sand which plate style, one of my spare sprockets has just the four mounting holes. Also noticed that my spare front sprocket looks pretty good. I’m gonna take it to shop too see about making one.
    I’ll start prepping the frame today for some paint since I’m waiting on a chain and sprocket in the mail

  6. #21
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    USA
    --
    4,114
    Hmmmm quick search came up with this listing.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-ATC-2...sAAOSwdvVcdCTu

    $52.74 (USD I think it was in) total for it including shipping to Canada for just the front sprocket. The rear sprocket in the same package would probably make the costs stupid expensive, and chains are heavy too. Not trying to kill the project or anything lol. I see how it works now, with the right equipment I think it shouldn't be too hard to make one.

  7. #22
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by ps2fixer View Post
    Hmmmm quick search came up with this listing.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-ATC-2...sAAOSwdvVcdCTu

    $52.74 (USD I think it was in) total for it including shipping to Canada for just the front sprocket. The rear sprocket in the same package would probably make the costs stupid expensive, and chains are heavy too. Not trying to kill the project or anything lol. I see how it works now, with the right equipment I think it shouldn't be too hard to make one.
    Yea exactly. For me it’s at least 250$ Canadian to buy it all lol. Aside from that if I bought that front sprocket id have to wait until mid July roughly to get it! Which isn’t good because I’ll be gone most of the summer. I did manage to source the rear sprocket for 60$ Canadian. With only about a week or two wait. So just gotta figure out the right plan for the front sprocket. I hope the sprockets last a while, I can’t see it being much trouble though. Mean I’ve owned motorcycles since I’ve been 15, and only had to replace one sprocket and chain

  8. #23
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    USA
    --
    4,114
    I wished to ebay.ca instead of ebay.com and it says the total price shipped is $70.71 CAD. Doesn't seem too horrible. I guess it does add up fast though. Too bad you didn't know a couple people right on the boarder, one usa and one ca. Could ship to one, have them drive to the other, and that one ship to you domestically. Who knows if that's considered tax evasion or smuggling or whatever though, wait you don't have to pay import tax right? Just the shipping is expensive.


    Sprockets last for ages if they are quality built. Like OEM ones last a really long time, just have to keep the chain tight and in spec, lubed up etc.

  9. #24
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by ps2fixer View Post
    I wished to ebay.ca instead of ebay.com and it says the total price shipped is $70.71 CAD. Doesn't seem too horrible. I guess it does add up fast though. Too bad you didn't know a couple people right on the boarder, one usa and one ca. Could ship to one, have them drive to the other, and that one ship to you domestically. Who knows if that's considered tax evasion or smuggling or whatever though, wait you don't have to pay import tax right? Just the shipping is expensive.


    Sprockets last for ages if they are quality built. Like OEM ones last a really long time, just have to keep the chain tight and in spec, lubed up etc.
    Yeah pretty much most things get the extra import charges on top of the shipping costs. It does add up quick on a students salary haha! If I was working again now wouldn’t mind at all. I spotted a 86 250es for sale recently too. I’m trying my hardest not to buy it. I don’t mind spending the money either but the wait sucks. That front sprocket in the link would get here mid July. I am planning on running the 200 a few times before im gone on a work term all summer. I do like the 200’s though, mean I have 4 Rubbermaid containers full of parts. May as well stay with those models now.

  10. #25
    BarnBoy is offline Just Too Addicted Arm chair racerJust too addicted
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Location
    Oklahoma
    --
    731
    Quote Originally Posted by NlBurden View Post
    Yeah pretty much most things get the extra import charges on top of the shipping costs. It does add up quick on a students salary haha! If I was working again now wouldn’t mind at all. I spotted a 86 250es for sale recently too. I’m trying my hardest not to buy it. I don’t mind spending the money either but the wait sucks. That front sprocket in the link would get here mid July. I am planning on running the 200 a few times before im gone on a work term all summer. I do like the 200’s though, mean I have 4 Rubbermaid containers full of parts. May as well stay with those models now.
    I'm sure you've probably done this, but I'd hop on Kijiji and see if you can't find a parts bike or 2. Should be pretty cheap. But I feel ya on the whole east coast deal. Used to live on Cape Breton and trikes are pretty scarce even there. And shipping is a real killer. Probably even more so on the rock though.
    1984 HONDA ATC200M - OG, mid-restoration
    1981 HONDA ATC200 - future build
    1981 HONDA ATC185S - parts
    1984 ATC200X - roller, future build
    1984 Honda ATC250r - in a million pieces- ISO grab bar, PM if you have one

    Da velder
    _______________________________________________
    Feedback:
    http://www.3wheelerworld.com/showthr...ck-for-Barnboy

  11. #26
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Found another 200 for sale haha. Only 400$ it’s a 200es might go check it out the weekend

  12. #27
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    USA
    --
    4,114
    Lol, the 200es sovles the chain problems =). The 200cc models besides being the most models with the same basic engine, they also were the most sold machines. The 84 atc200es by far was the most common sold in the usa, something like 200k units, 350x total for usa sales was like 30-35k for both years combined. The 200E, 200S etc sold a lot too. I've had a ton of 250es's and a ton of 200es's, if you needed 200es parts, I'd likely have most of anything you'd ever need, just getting it to you isn't so easy lol.

  13. #28
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Sounds good! I got the chain guard off yesterday. Hopefully I can find a decent replacement locally. This chain guard I basically need to replace as it’s rusting out. Further observations include seeing the front sprocket. Its worn out for sure. Teeth are worn down on the front side, almost curved. The previous owner told me it was after skipping the chain before on the rear sprocket. Additionally I ordered what the bike calls for in terms of a chain 520-90 link, how are these chains measured ? 520 pitch and 90 link, do you count each link or is it counted by the pins in the link? I counted the links on my old chain and it was 86?

  14. #29
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    USA
    --
    4,114
    I'm not sure how the link count is exactly, I always just cut to size and add in a master link. Basically you grid off the two pins the stick up a little, vice it and punch it out, or get the correct chain tool. Just don't get it too hot to detemper.

    The chain guard isn't a requirement, just if you can get one, I'm sure it really helps keep the dust and such out of the chain. I'm not sure how the 200E is, but some of the smaller models generally has a drive chain tentioner which is a nice feature.

    You'll have to let us know how the 200es turns out lol. Shaft drive is a nice perk sometimes =).

  15. #30
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    Canada
    --
    49
    Quote Originally Posted by ps2fixer View Post
    I'm not sure how the link count is exactly, I always just cut to size and add in a master link. Basically you grid off the two pins the stick up a little, vice it and punch it out, or get the correct chain tool. Just don't get it too hot to detemper.

    The chain guard isn't a requirement, just if you can get one, I'm sure it really helps keep the dust and such out of the chain. I'm not sure how the 200E is, but some of the smaller models generally has a drive chain tentioner which is a nice feature.

    You'll have to let us know how the 200es turns out lol. Shaft drive is a nice perk sometimes =).
    Okay, i'll run without the chain guard if i can't find one. I do have a full skid plate that bolts on the bike. Someone has made up a deatachable skid for it. Will do, inquired about that 250es model i've been eyeing for a while but the owner won't drop its price low enough. It its a 4 hour drive each way to get that one, which is expensive by the time you factor in fuel and stuff. Im awaiting more details on the 200es model. in the mean time i did paint the whole frame on the 200e model today. Got it with two part industrial paint which is a very durable paint. Looking clean so far. Now just awaiting that rear sprocket and front sprocket and were off to the woods!

//ArrowChat Integreation Code //