Are you doing anything different because of Covid-19?

[coolpool]

Here's a thought provoking question. If and when a vaccine is produced, how will the anti-vacs respond? Will they get vaccinated for the greater good of the population or spin the wheel as normal?

[El Camexican]

Here's a thought provoking question. If and when a vaccine is produced, how will the anti-vacs respond? Will they get vaccinated for the greater good of the population or spin the wheel as normal?

I would assume there will still be a lot of people don’t want anything to do with a government approved vaccine.

I was having a conversation with the wife and daughter the other night and the topic of a vaccine came up. We started debating what all is involved in order to get a vaccine not only approved, but patented, tooled up for, supply chains and approvals, proper legal documentation etc. Think about something as seemingly meaningless as the expiration date that probably has to be researched, proofed and approved before anything can hit the shelf in a first world country.

It is entirely possible that if a vaccine were discovered tomorrow that unless somebody would take a bulldozer to to current system and plow out a path that bypassed every legal statute and existing law it is conceivable that it wouldn’t be available in the USA for a year.

We also discussed the scenarios that could come up if a cure was made in a country that chose to use it as bargaining tool, I.e. Iran, Russia, or another country currently involved with a dispute of some sort with the allied nations, or the USA.

Imagine if someone outside of the United States where to invent a cure or vaccine, then have it patented in the United States and then refused to sell it. The way your current branches of government get along it would be a frosty day in hell before the laws were changed to circumnavigate a situation like that.

It seems there are going to be a lot more “firsts” for the generations alive at this time to experience before all is said and done.

[ironchop]

Here's a thought provoking question. If and when a vaccine is produced, how will the anti-vacs respond? Will they get vaccinated for the greater good of the population or spin the wheel as normal?

I think the plan all along was forced vaccinations. The idea is being openly thrown around from city county council meetings all over country, all the way up the global elite chain from Cuomo to Bill Gates.

Here in "free" America, our elitist dirtbags are always pushing for new legislation to force us to buy something or comply with tyrrany

Of course, the people pushing the forced vacs will be heavily invested in vaccine manufacturing companies and distributors as is usually the case

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[ps2fixer]

If a vaccine was created, I'd assume it would be treated like all the others.. this wiki write up is pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#Schedule

If it was mandated, I suspect it would be treated like dog shots, get them or get fined (required for licensing).

Too bad this page doesn't give any sources.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8572826/ns...et-every-year/

Would be crazy to have a license to be allowed to live effectively with a requirement of getting vaccine shots. I don't think anything like that would get passed for humans in the US, and probably a fair number of other countries people would rebel. Also check out the side effects, one mentions "anaphylactic shock leading to death", I don't think death as being a side effect will be accepted either, even if 1 in 100,000 rate.

The other thing that would have to be tested is how long it lasts for. To test to see if it lasts 5 years, a 5 year long study would have to be made. At best it would be a yearly shot with a year long test done on say 1000 people with half getting a fake shot that does nothing.

[plastikosmd]

A lot more range time
Boat should be ni next week

[Scootertrash]

Say it ain't so!!

Round 2 in China?:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21N009

Mainland China reported 30 new coronavirus cases on Saturday, up from 19 a day earlier as the number of cases involving travellers from abroad as well as local transmissions increased, highlighting the difficulty in stamping out the outbreak.

The National Health Commission said in a statement on Sunday that 25 of the latest cases involved people who had entered from abroad, compared with 18 such cases a day earlier. Five new locally transmitted infections were also reported on Saturday, all in the southern coastal province of Guangdong, up from a day earlier.

[ps2fixer]

Very possible, they have to completely stop the virus 100% in their own country, then every person that crosses the border has to be screened and checked for it, and none of the tests are 100% accurate. Only way to truly stop this is to stop it world wide. If this virus acts like the flu, it could be a seasonal thing. We might have to start living like the 1950's and older where you grew your own food, had your own farm animals and you didn't get around 100's of people per day.

The other route to take is to stay effectively locked down to slow the spread, and prolong the virus as long as possible, while getting a section of the population immune to it (built up antibodies naturally) and over time if the virus doesn't mutate enough to make the antibodies ineffective, it has less people to infect and eventually it could die out from lack of hosts to replicate in. Worst case this could be a yearly or bi-yearly thing for a long time, best case we somehow stop the spread enough it dies out and all countries eventually get success and it's gone forever.

Once the antibody test is made, tested, and released, we will have an idea of what kind of % of the population has had it but showed no signs of being sick. The experts claim somewhere around 25-50%, but really it's just their best guesses. It would also give a better idea on the mortality rate too.

[ironchop]

SIGH

You can't get herd immunity by hiding the herd in the barn until the virus goes away.
Viruses always come back around and sometimes they never leave. Then what?

We are prisoners of our own fears moreso than prisoners of this quarantine.


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[Scootertrash]

Mr ironchop has hit the nail on the head once again!

I'm not so sure this is round 2 in China so much that is just a continuation of round one. I trust none of the information the Chinese have given us about their infection rate, death rate, or any other of their BS

The survival rate is in the high 90% tile for healthy people, and the definition of healthy is pretty broad. The majority of the people dying are the elderly and those with underlying conditions. There have been very few young and healthy people that have died from COVID 19

[DAM shop]

I live in Iowa one of the last few states that has not called for a state shutdown. Our Gov. Kim Reynolds has pretty much closed any social type businesses, parks or the like and refuses to officially call a state shutdown at this time. I commend the Gov. to sticking to her guns. As I watch her daily briefing on FB I am appalled by the amount of people screaming for a state shutdown. The only thing I can figure is that these people want time off work. Cry, sniffle, cry.
I do my best at keeping my distance from others. Wash my hands more times than I care to count, only go to food stores 1x per week and I go to work every day not because I have to I can have as much time off as I care to take I go because I want to.

[ironchop]

There's two ways to become immune:

1) natural infection and recovery

2) a commercial vaccine

Guess which one is more lucrative?


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[fabiodriven]

There's two ways to become immune:

1) natural infection and recovery

2) a commercial vaccine

Guess which one is more lucrative?


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I was explaining this to my friend here today. This is the stuff that makes me angry at the world.

[ironchop]

Well our local socialist dicks are now going around "inspecting businesses for Covid social distancing compliance" and demanding we now rotate breaks and wear latex gloves and masks at work.

I'm a machinist. We do not wear gloves around machinery. I will totally flip out on the first chamber of commerce dickhead that tells me otherwise

I hope I get fired and arrested. At least I'll be able to live with myself.

So I guess let's just take our Constitution and rip it up and burn it because terrified people are totally willing to throw away any civil liberties at all for the PROMISE of safety. Not even REAL safety just the promise thereof. Congratulations, people, you begged for this and now you got what you begged for.

Fear RULES YOU and now so does your federal socialist government. They took it away from you without even firing a shot or cheating an election. Cower in fear and wait for your "pay-off for your compliance" check to arrive. That's the new world order. You will beg for them to clothe and feed you and keep you safe, just like you wanted.

Fauci is your God now. One man's opinion has enslaved you. Socialism and Pelosi is your savior. All because you're afraid of getting a Super Cold.

Think of me when you're presenting your "papers" at your next neighborhood police state checkpoint.

I need a break from the internet for a few months. I'm sick of reading idiocy from 90% of the population outside of this forum.

Throw your guns in a pile in the front yard. They are totally irrelevant now. Freedom fighters, my azz. Everyone was apparently full of shyte anyway. You can't shoot at the utterly terrifying coronavirus.

What if your guns killed someone like coronavirus does? You can't take that chance! Better safe than sorry, right? We must all get on board with common sense! Nobody wants to endanger others!..... Just like Covid-19 common sense. Fools.

I'm done.

Good luck

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[ps2fixer]

I'm no lawyer but pretty sure if you do get fined or jailed by an inspector you could sue for breaking the constitution. Now if the employer says it's a requirement and you don't follow it, I think that falls under the freedom of what the business wants and they can fire you for it. Kind of like the censoring facebook, twitter, and youtube does, that's legal because they are business level censorship, but pushing a certain political party I'm not sure if that's allowed or not. Now if the gov got involved and told social media that we can't talk about the virus, that's a violation of the first amendment, basically private businesses != government.

It's pretty scary what the gov can do legally though, martial law for example. In some situations the gov can become all power and control effectively everything, but only during an emergency.

This guy goes over the legal side of forcing people to stay home, long story short, it can happen in the US. FYI, he doesn't like Tump so he stabs at him whenever possible, ignore the political crap and just focus on the facts/laws he mentions, pretty interesting.



I've heard there's atleast one state doing state border checkpoints.

Gloves don't really do anything to stop the spread, it's the same thing as touching stuff directly. Face masks and respirators make sense. Basically it doesn't matter if you touch dog crap with your bare hands, or gloves, if you touch your mouth afterwards, you still are eating crap, put a mask on, and it's not so easy for the crap to get in your mouth lol. With the proper usage gloves can help, but that's like put on gloves, drive to work, do your work, drive home, and discard the gloves before going into the house, and your house is less likely to have issues. It's a little hard to reverse the logic and apply that for a business though. Like doctors and nurses pull it off in the context of the main area's are counted safe and they change gloves per patient they interact with. It's so they don't spread it from one person to another.

Hopefully this doesn't get to the point where the military monitors the streets and we are forced to stay at home against our will.

[Scootertrash]

Wait!! 'chop!!!:

https://ytcropper.com/cropped/w65e8c9d54eeb08