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Thread: My first 1986 200X

  1. #16
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    Got the rear axle bearings All balls of course

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    1985 200X
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    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

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  2. #17
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    New bearings in Solid as a rock now

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
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    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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  3. #18
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    Done

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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    You may not want to hear this, but it's my understanding that All Balls bearings aren't packed with grease very well from the factory and your should carefully remove one of the seals and put more grease inside them.

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    Looks good. How did it come apart? My axle is tweeked just a little (can't feel anything riding, just can see it on the stand), and I was thinking of pulling it and having it straightened. However with the fact that bearings are tight, and it looks like it would be rough getting it out, I'm leaning towards leaving it alone, lol.
    Jason

    85 ATC 250R - restored stock other than 18" rears, nerf bars, Honda key switch, 14T front sprocket, and white tank and plastics (except rad shrouds)

    87 ATC 200X - restored stock other than 18" rears and nerf bars

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasong_10 View Post
    Looks good. How did it come apart? My axle is tweeked just a little (can't feel anything riding, just can see it on the stand), and I was thinking of pulling it and having it straightened. However with the fact that bearings are tight, and it looks like it would be rough getting it out, I'm leaning towards leaving it alone, lol.
    Came apart fairly easy. Yeah my 85 rear axle is tweaked also can't feel it riding

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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    Quote Originally Posted by RodKnockRacing View Post
    Came apart fairly easy. Yeah my 85 rear axle is tweaked also can't feel it riding

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    Yup, pretty sure I'm going to wait until it needs bearings . . .
    Jason

    85 ATC 250R - restored stock other than 18" rears, nerf bars, Honda key switch, 14T front sprocket, and white tank and plastics (except rad shrouds)

    87 ATC 200X - restored stock other than 18" rears and nerf bars

    84 TRX 200 - rough but complete budget restore for wife and eventually daughters to bum around on

    Eton Viper 50cc - oldest daughter's current ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by 350for350 View Post
    You may not want to hear this, but it's my understanding that All Balls bearings aren't packed with grease very well from the factory and your should carefully remove one of the seals and put more grease inside them.
    Thanks for the tip I actually noticed that. I've always used all balls never had a problem with wearing out to fast. Now the bearings that were used previously were junk cheap no name bearings.

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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    Rookie question...how could you tell the bearings were bad? Play in the axle when on stand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by psujeepguy View Post
    Rookie question...how could you tell the bearings were bad? Play in the axle when on stand?
    Rode it could hear it felt it move when on the throttle obviously play when sitting

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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    First ride after getting the work done. Not the best vid I had my phone in my shirt pocket.https://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5faacf9c...13251595_1.mp4

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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  12. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by 350for350 View Post
    You may not want to hear this, but it's my understanding that All Balls bearings aren't packed with grease very well from the factory and your should carefully remove one of the seals and put more grease inside them.
    These type of bearings are NOT supposed to be filled with grease, and most certainly, not packed full.

    This same basic information can be gleaned from other bearing manufacturer websites.

    "In some instances, customers have requested that bearings be lubricated 100% full of grease. Excessive grease, however, is as detrimental to a bearing as insufficient grease. It causes shearing, heat buildup, unnecessarily high torque, and deterioration through constant churning which can ultimately result in bearing failure."
    https://www.nmbtc.com/white-papers/i...ion-selection/

    The recommended amount is often about 1/3, but that doesn't mean 1/3 of what can be seen. The total volume behind the seals accounts for the ball tracks, the bearings and the cage, which is generally only known by the manufacturer. When properly filled, it can appear there is very little grease in them.

    There is no need to pop seals on new, quality bearings unless someone is just wanting to risk damaging the seal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATC King View Post
    These type of bearings are NOT supposed to be filled with grease, and most certainly, not packed full.

    This same basic information can be gleaned from other bearing manufacturer websites.

    "In some instances, customers have requested that bearings be lubricated 100% full of grease. Excessive grease, however, is as detrimental to a bearing as insufficient grease. It causes shearing, heat buildup, unnecessarily high torque, and deterioration through constant churning which can ultimately result in bearing failure."
    https://www.nmbtc.com/white-papers/i...ion-selection/

    The recommended amount is often about 1/3, but that doesn't mean 1/3 of what can be seen. The total volume behind the seals accounts for the ball tracks, the bearings and the cage, which is generally only known by the manufacturer. When properly filled, it can appear there is very little grease in them.

    There is no need to pop seals on new, quality bearings unless someone is just wanting to risk damaging the seal.
    Less grease less heat and drag

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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    Beautiful day to play with Trikes

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    1985 200X
    66mm H&S Piston
    Little Bit Bigger Cam
    Bassani Exhaust

    1985 350X With Bassani Exhaust

    1983 Honda 200E (PARTING OUT!!!!)

    1985 Yamaha Tri-Zinger


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  15. #30
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    All Balls are China bearings and made to low standards. Some of their stuff I will use but not in a motor or high speed application.

    I prefer SKF bearings, they last as long as any Japan made bearing.

    I'm in the process of putting together "kits" with Japan bearings and USA made seals. Right around AB cost but better materials, no sticker or fancy logo, sorry.

    I also have China bearings that will be 30% cheaper than AB, again, no fancy crap with it
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