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    It seems like a great reason for buying a bore scope/inspection camera. Those things are pretty darn affordable now. You can probably get one that'll work with your current cellular device (phone), through the charge port or wireless.

    Doctors have sticking cameras into people's holes for a long time for a reason; it's better than doing the same with their hands. Go MD-evil on that stuff.




    A lot of times, anything that is stuck from corrosion is going to be an oil burner if it's freed up anyway. Rust pitting on the cylinder and rings is going to let oil by. Worst case, moisture has completely permeated the engine and caused rust on bearing and gear surfaces, making it a time-bomb.
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    Hey Patriot1,

    I don't see how a mouse, even a little one could get passed the carb slide, into the intake, and piss down the valves hole, that just happen to be open X4 engines.
    Very limber mice you have. It sounds to me the P.O. left the plugs out thinking he was doing the right thing for a extended length of time. IDk.
    I have had better luck spraying P.B. Blaster down the plug hole and letting it sit a week (junkyard dog build), then using a breaker bar and socket to rock the engine slowly just a little bit forward them back, then forwards then back, on and on until I can make a full revolution. then add more lube and spin it again with a drill or the pull rope, to blow the crap out of them, also you can use compressed air through the plug hole and blow while spinning the engine by the pull rope, this clears the intake and exhaust of debris as the engine cycles and the valves open.
    Very odd that all 4 are locked up. Maybe they were left open with/out a plug in a damp area or by the ocean. are the frames rusty?

    You really need to take your time, it could be the difference in saving them all or 4x rebuilds. go slow.
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    All had plugs in them. Frames are solid, very little rust on them. A lot of the brake cables still work but the throttle cables (at least on the 200's (no letter) are frozen which makes rat piss sense.

    What about freeing the 250sx's? Work the kicker?

    Thanks

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    The ammonia gases that mouse piss gives off will pass by the throttle slide and definitely seize up a cylinder .
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    I would remove the timing cover on the left case and rotation the 17mm crank nut back and forth .


    Quote Originally Posted by patriot1 View Post
    All had plugs in them. Frames are solid, very little rust on them. A lot of the brake cables still work but the throttle cables (at least on the 200's (no letter) are frozen which makes rat piss sense.

    What about freeing the 250sx's? Work the kicker?

    Thanks
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    I am going to agree with everyone saying that the rat piss did the damage. about a year and a half ago, I got an 85 250es that was siezed up. did everything you tried. I ended up taking off the cover on the left side that allows access to the 17mm bolt. Put a ratchet on it and got it to break free, then I worked it back and forth slowly. it was sized from rat piss...the airbox was full of nest, the metal filter cage was almost completely disintegrated, it looked as if it was at the bottom of the ocean for a hundred years. after I got it to turn over, it had zero compression. I tore the top end apart to find the rings and piston had become one from the rust. it might have been fine if the intake valve hadn't been open, but I had determined right away that it was, so I knew the engine was going to put up a fight.
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    Thanks for all the advice and help guys. There is rust in places mice would be and looks perfect where mice would not be. I let them all sit again today except the first 200. I put a breaker bar on it and with very-very little torque, it moved a little clockwise but I think it was just the bolt and not the engine. (If that is possible?) The mmo that was soaking in the plug hole had leaked down so I refilled it to the top so I could guage it again tomorrow. This one is name Sinatra. (It might be dead like Sinatra)

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    new problem-new thread-please advise there

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    Wicked pissa thread.
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    with the breaker bar, move it forward and backwards a little at a time.
    I got my 185 spinning real smooth yesterday, put a drill motor on the crank nut and got it spinning fast. unfortunately ately the valves not seated well, I can hear air past the intake. ive left wd40 and oil in the ports over night, I can feel suction with my hand over the intake port and spinning with a drill. Really doesn't seem like much compression on this motor. jim
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    UPDATE ON RAT PACK:

    Went to the shop today and after turning the lights on, I grabbed the breaker bar and went for the first 200 (Sinatra) and NOTHING!! I then went to the other 200 and began to try to move it clockwise first and NOTHING.

    So, I went and beat on a set of forks from an 87 Big Red and NOTHING..

    So, i then went to try and free up the pull starter from the 2nd 200 and NOTHING...

    So then I thought about the 2 SX's (Sammy Davis and Dean Martin), which have only been soaking for two days. I loosened and removed the cap on Sammy and applied very little torque and it turned over and over and over again!! (More on Sammy later)

    Then I high-fived my son and sang a hymn and moved on to Dean and same thing! Turned over very easily! I tried to remember everything MrC has said he does. I removed the tank and got it soaking first.
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    Next, I remembered what shortline said about rats in the air box so I checked the air box. I am not positive that there wasnt a family of squirrels that were making it a home at one time:

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    I then sprayed air through it while kicking it over. I felt air coming from the exhaust.

    I hooked the battery charger up to it and...

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    I found out the light worked but the switch didn't. I crossed the sylinoid and it turned over and sounded good doing it!

    I needed a plug but didn't think I had one...Wait!! The totes the guy from Oklahoma gave me as part of a TRX70 deal that I havent really been able to look through. I opened the totes and started putting things on shelves and OMG!!! CHRISTMAS IN DIXIE!!!Click image for larger version. 

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    I found a new plug in the bottom of the tote on the left. Installed it and sprayed starter fluid to see if I could get it to pop because I knew the carb would have to be cleaned. I crossed the sylinoid and heard a buzzing sound coming from the starter so I went and beat on my 250 es forks and still nothing so I decided to call it a day.

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    It will be quite the miracle to see all of these come back to life. I hope you got these for a song with all the efforts you've put in to them.....not to mention the parts that are pending. Might be worth parting one of each out to finance the other?
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    I've brought back worse. just give the penetrating oil a few days. problem with parting a complete machine, you sell off a few sought after parts and you end up with a incomplete trike taking up space. just go out and try spinning it both ways every day. if it doesn't have compression after it breaks free, a set of rings and gaskets is under 50 bucks. lap the valves jim
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    4 stroke bottom ends are usually fine, but I'd pull the top ends off, clean and or replace the rings, hone the cylinder and oil the cam.

    Freeing it up just gets things moving again, there's obviously some issues inside each motor...
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    Well, today was unproductive and kinda frustrating.

    Before I left yesterday, I sprayed the starter cam bolt? area with blaster and today when I got there the bolts turned in both 200s. I think they have moved a little bit before but not this easy, but it is only day 4 with Sinatra and day 3 with the other 200.

    I removed the starter switch/button because the headlight buttons are frozen. I was going to replace the entire switch with one off a 250es and they had different plugs. So now I am trying to free the original switch up. I have sprayed it with contact cleaner and letting it soak. I think PS2 had a thread on rebuilding these but I have not had time to look for it.

    I drained the metal rescue from the tank (no leaks-YAY!!) but it still had a few spots in it so I filled it back up and will let it sit for at least another day. It wasn't bad to begin with.


    I am charging a part battery that is good and will put it on tomorrow and see what I can get it to do.
    Coolpool: Yes: I agree that at least one will be parted out (Sammy Davis-more on that later) but these things are so complete that they really only need carbs and tires IF the engines turn out to be ok-and yes, I got them for a song. If I can use two to make one of each and have a runner of each-I'll be way ahead.

    Jim: I'm trying! Thanks for the advice!

    Dirtcrasher: I am thinking that I might have to end up removing the top ends on the 200s just to get them freed up. If it gets to that point, I'll probably just help barn boy with his 200 (no letter) build. Thanks for the mud flaps! You do great work!

    Sorry no pictures today because I didn't make any seeable progress-just gained knowledge!!

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    transmission fluid works great as a penetrating oil. just fill the cylinder and let it sit a few days. jim
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    81 suspended 185s (can't believe I came across 2)
    1982? 185s

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