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    Perplexed-Need Help X 4

    About 3 months ago a guy outside of Butcher Hollar, TN sold an enclosed box trailer. The guy who bought it decided to sell the four three wheelers that were in it and I decided to buy them. The guy said that the original owner was from California and bought the trikes from there and they hadn't been out of the trailer since and that was over 20 years ago. The newest Cali registration sticker is dated 1995.

    The bikes look like new to me. The tanks are clean. The plastics are good for the most part and most of the cables even still work! Minimal surface rust at the most. Seat pan are even pretty good on one of the 81 200s (No letter). Although there are twelve flat tires and evidence of a varmint bedding in a few of them.

    2 81 200 (no letter) and 2 85 250SXs.

    I decided that I would start working on one of the 200's (no letter) over Christmas break. The pull cord was out so I took it off and began to get it freed up and in working order which I did.

    I was about to order tires for the 200 (no letter) when I decided to check and see if the engine would turn over with my ratchet. It wouldn't...hmmm. I pulled the plug and poured some marvel mystery oil down the hole. I went back today and it still wouldn't turn so I checked the other 200 (no letter) and it was the same way. Locked up.

    Then, I checked the two 85 model SX's and when I put pressure on the kickers-they weren't budging either. ???

    What would cause all four engines to seize up? They look very good and clean. The oil looks clean.

    Thoughts? Suggestions?

    They are all soaking in Marvel Mystery oil right now. Possible tips? Possibly what happened?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Make sure their weren’t any mouse nest in the air boxes ?
    Mouse piss is like liquid acid and will seize a piston .
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    There was mice all in them. Should the marvel mystery oil get them unstuck? Thanks

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    Barnboy: I totally agree about pics!! For some reason, I can't post them anymore since my computer updated.

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    This thread is worthless without Let's see em Patriot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by patriot1 View Post
    Barnboy: I totally agree about pics!! For some reason, I can't post them anymore since my computer updated.
    Its probably easier to do it off your phone...it is for me anyway. Unless you don't have a smart phone. Saves the extra steps.
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    I've used mmo and trans fluid to free up stuck motors. matter of fact, my latest pos project sat at this guys yard for almost 20 years. I bought it for the forks and spark advance but he gave me the rest of the trike for 10 bucks including a motor sitting without a plug outdoors. ive filled the cylinder with trans fluid for the last week, it just broke free. So let it sit for a week, take off the pull start and use a breaker bar and socket and try to turn it over. my last 185s project was also stuck, couple days of soak and it freed up, runs great too. jim
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    Can't tell much about the problem from those pics but I got em. Thanks Jim!!

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    Looks good Patriot. Possible that the trailer leaked, moisture settled in there over the years. Best stuff for freeing stuck objects is Hagens brew. It's a 50/50 mix of acetone and diesel fuel, ATF, etc any thing oil. Shake it up a bit and let er soak, works wonders.
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    I'm leaning toward rat piss. Rats had nested everywhere they could. Big nest. A lot of nest. I'm going to let it sit for a week like Jim suggested. I'll try to get pics of the other ones also.

    Jim: How much torque did you put on your breaker bar? I've been worried about pushing too hard and breaking something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortline10 View Post
    Make sure their weren’t any mouse nest in the air boxes ?
    Mouse piss is like liquid acid and will seize a piston .
    No kidding? I didn’t know that Shortline
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    not too much torque, just push one way then the other. im using a real 1/2 breaker bar. jim
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