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    Bob Marlin, I have my sequence, mind sharing yours?

    Also anyone running a 400ex carb on there 350x?

    Thanks
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    There is 3 things that make the 350x hard starting.

    1) Not understanding there IS a right way to start them

    2) Dirty carb

    3) Misunderstanding of how the decomp system works on these particular engines

    For the sequence- choke on if its a cold start. SLOWLY move the kicker trough 2 cycles. Move slowly into a third cycle taking notice of when it is on the compression stroke and builds compression, As soon as you feel it go just passed the compression stroke-just barely passed-let the kicker return back up- then give it a good kick. Should take no more than 2 or 3 kicks repeating the sequence every time. This way you are not kicking at full compression and it won't kick you back.

    A dirty carb will cause way more starting problems then one that is just out of adjustment.

    The decomp is not an automatic one , but rather than having a lever on the handlebars its connected through a cable to the kick starter shaft. It has NOTHING to do with making it kick easier . It is there only to make it easier to slowly get the piston to the right place BEFORE you kick it. It really isn't needed unless you have a GOKI, then it's a must. I've seen more problems caused by a "functioning" decomp then a broken one. If it is a working decomp that is out of adjustment it will hold the exhaust valve open and make it hard to start.

    I have a friend that's running the ex carb. It's a tight fit. The performance increase is minimal if any over a GOOD 350x carb. But if you have an old worn out carb now it will seem like a big improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOB MARLIN View Post
    There is 3 things that make the 350x hard starting.

    1) Not understanding there IS a right way to start them

    2) Dirty carb

    3) Misunderstanding of how the decomp system works on these particular engines

    For the sequence- choke on if its a cold start. SLOWLY move the kicker trough 2 cycles. Move slowly into a third cycle taking notice of when it is on the compression stroke and builds compression, As soon as you feel it go just passed the compression stroke-just barely passed-let the kicker return back up- then give it a good kick. Should take no more than 2 or 3 kicks repeating the sequence every time. This way you are not kicking at full compression and it won't kick you back.

    A dirty carb will cause way more starting problems then one that is just out of adjustment.

    The decomp is not an automatic one , but rather than having a lever on the handlebars its connected through a cable to the kick starter shaft. It has NOTHING to do with making it kick easier . It is there only to make it easier to slowly get the piston to the right place BEFORE you kick it. It really isn't needed unless you have a GOKI, then it's a must. I've seen more problems caused by a "functioning" decomp then a broken one. If it is a working decomp that is out of adjustment it will hold the exhaust valve open and make it hard to start.

    I have a friend that's running the ex carb. It's a tight fit. The performance increase is minimal if any over a GOOD 350x carb. But if you have an old worn out carb now it will seem like a big improvement.
    Haven't had the opportunity to kick mine off in years since I tore it apart but ^that sequence^ worked as smooth as buttah (butter.)
    Didn't even realize that was what I was doing but after kicking it several hundred times, that sequence became automatic and you could 'feel' it in the kickstarter. Not sure how else to describe it (see Bob above) but they start easy if the carb is clean and you get that sequence down.
    Cold starts weren't even a problem. Full choke and no throttle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOB MARLIN View Post
    There is 3 things that make the 350x hard starting.

    1) Not understanding there IS a right way to start them

    2) Dirty carb

    3) Misunderstanding of how the decomp system works on these particular engines

    For the sequence- choke on if its a cold start. SLOWLY move the kicker trough 2 cycles. Move slowly into a third cycle taking notice of when it is on the compression stroke and builds compression, As soon as you feel it go just passed the compression stroke-just barely passed-let the kicker return back up- then give it a good kick. Should take no more than 2 or 3 kicks repeating the sequence every time. This way you are not kicking at full compression and it won't kick you back.

    A dirty carb will cause way more starting problems then one that is just out of adjustment.

    The decomp is not an automatic one , but rather than having a lever on the handlebars its connected through a cable to the kick starter shaft. It has NOTHING to do with making it kick easier . It is there only to make it easier to slowly get the piston to the right place BEFORE you kick it. It really isn't needed unless you have a GOKI, then it's a must. I've seen more problems caused by a "functioning" decomp then a broken one. If it is a working decomp that is out of adjustment it will hold the exhaust valve open and make it hard to start.

    I have a friend that's running the ex carb. It's a tight fit. The performance increase is minimal if any over a GOOD 350x carb. But if you have an old worn out carb now it will seem like a big improvement.
    And that is how you make a sticky. Thank you for taking the time to write it out in plain english. I have not been short stroking it as you suggested. Thank you.
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    thanks to bob im up and running
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    Quote Originally Posted by XRyder View Post
    What is necessary to talk you outta your Goki? Thanks, Andy
    I just sent you a PM.
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    heres what all the fuss was about
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    no electric start here
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    Quote Originally Posted by WIGGLES View Post
    no electric start here
    That's a set I love to have some day. I've got two of the three, just don't know if I could justify spending the $$ on the 350x because I'd just be grabbing it to complete the set, lol. The 200x is for riding alongside my daughter while still being able to have fun, and the 250r is for grown-up only riding, haha. The 350x is similar enough to the 250r in regards to the riding that I do that it would basically be a duplicate . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by WIGGLES View Post
    no electric start here
    Man, I'd through that Grand National away if it didn't have electric start.
    Very nice set

    MrC.
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    84 200x "SouthPort"
    84 200x "Van Halen"
    84 250r "lucky"
    85 250sx "Enterprise"
    85 350x "The Money Pit"
    85 350x Code Red
    86 250r "Unicorn"
    86 trx250r
    88 Lt250r Suzuki

    mrc_builds saves trikes like Jimmy Swaggart saved souls back in the day -said Patriot1

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    I did like you guys posted to start my 350x on Saturday and it worked like a charm. I was washing the machine and only had my flip flops in and still started with ease. jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrConcdid View Post
    Man, I'd through that Grand National away if it didn't have electric start.
    Very nice set

    MrC.
    yea im kinda stuck in the 80's
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